#editorial | Logs for 2018-10-12

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[03:03:12] <Bytram> .
[03:04:58] <Bytram> chromas: if you're still around, I had the good fortune to see the movie "First Man" (about Neil Armstrong) tonight... ahead of its scheduled release on Friday and have written and submitted a review. It's a bit time sensitive, so that is why I'm mentioning it.
[03:05:10] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[03:05:11] <upstart> ^ 03Review: "First Man" -- In US Theaters Starting October 12: SoylentNews Submission
[03:05:13] <exec> └─ 13Review: "First Man" -- In US Theaters Starting October 12: SoylentNews Submission
[03:05:24] <Bytram> ^^^ that one
[03:24:04] * chromas clicks
[03:26:12] <chromas> Should I bump a thing or just tack it on at the end?
[03:27:49] <Bytram> on the end is fine
[03:27:53] <Bytram> chromas: ^^^^
[03:28:37] <chromas> pasted
[03:32:47] <Bytram> mare see!
[04:04:34] <Bytram> whereto? http://go.theregister.com
[04:04:35] <upstart> ^ 03Microsoft Windows 10 October update giving HP users BSOD ( https://www.theregister.co.uk )
[04:04:37] <exec> └─ 13Microsoft Windows 10 October update giving HP users BSOD • The Register
[04:04:57] <Bytram> =submit https://www.theregister.co.uk
[04:04:59] <upstart> Submitting "Microsoft Windows 10 October update giving HP users BSOD"...
[04:04:59] <exec> └─ 13Microsoft Windows 10 October update giving HP users BSOD • The Register
[04:05:21] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[04:05:43] <Bytram> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[04:05:45] <upstart> Submitting "PC market flat, as Surface becomes a top-5 computer brand in the US"...
[04:05:45] <exec> └─ 13PC market flat, as Surface becomes a top-5 computer brand in the US | Ars Technica
[04:06:06] <upstart> Submit failed: This resource is no longer valid. Please return to the beginning and try again.
[04:06:12] <Bytram> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[04:06:14] <upstart> Submitting "PC market flat, as Surface becomes a top-5 computer brand in the US"...
[04:06:14] <exec> └─ 13PC market flat, as Surface becomes a top-5 computer brand in the US | Ars Technica
[04:06:36] <upstart> Submit failed: This resource is no longer valid. Please return to the beginning and try again.
[04:06:45] <Bytram> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[04:06:47] <upstart> Submitting "PC market flat, as Surface becomes a top-5 computer brand in the US"...
[04:06:48] <exec> └─ 13PC market flat, as Surface becomes a top-5 computer brand in the US | Ars Technica
[04:07:09] <upstart> Submit failed: This resource is no longer valid. Please return to the beginning and try again.
[04:10:11] <chromas> #spanke rehash
[04:14:54] <Bytram> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[04:14:56] <upstart> Submitting "PC market flat, as Surface becomes a top-5 computer brand in the US"...
[04:14:57] <exec> └─ 13PC market flat, as Surface becomes a top-5 computer brand in the US | Ars Technica
[04:15:18] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[05:11:10] <chromas> =submit https://www.voanews.com +https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-10/tl-tlc101018.php +https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-childbirth-caesarean/c-section-births-rise-rapidly-to-more-than-20-percent-worldwide-idUSKCN1ML32J +https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/use-of-caesarean-sections-growing-at-alarming-rate
[05:11:14] <exec> ├─ 13Doctors Warn of Global C-Section ‘Epidemic’
[05:11:15] <exec> ├─ 13The Lancet: Caesarean section use has almost doubled globally since 2000 | EurekAlert! Science News
[05:11:15] <exec> ├─ 13C-section births rise rapidly to more than 20 percent worldwide | Reuters
[05:11:15] <exec> └─ 13Use of caesarean sections growing at 'alarming' rate | Society | The Guardian
[05:11:18] <upstart> Submitting "Doctors Warn of Global C-Section ‘Epidemic’"...
[05:11:40] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[05:12:01] <chromas> :D
[11:00:21] <Bytram> whreto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[11:00:23] <exec> └─ 13Tesla orders eligible for full tax credit until Oct. 15 - Roadshow
[11:00:23] <upstart> ^ 03Tesla orders eligible for full tax credit until Oct. 15 - Roadshow ( https://www.cnet.com )
[11:00:34] <Bytram> =submit https://www.cnet.com
[11:00:36] <exec> └─ 13Tesla orders eligible for full tax credit until Oct. 15 - Roadshow
[11:00:36] <upstart> Submitting "Tesla orders eligible for full tax credit until Oct. 15 - Roadshow"...
[11:00:59] <upstart> Submit failed: This resource is no longer valid. Please return to the beginning and try again.
[11:01:04] <Bytram> =submit https://www.cnet.com
[11:01:07] <upstart> Submitting "Tesla orders eligible for full tax credit until Oct. 15 - Roadshow"...
[11:01:07] <exec> └─ 13Tesla orders eligible for full tax credit until Oct. 15 - Roadshow
[11:01:29] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[11:01:46] <chromas> fpos isn't even logged in
[11:01:52] <chromas> #smake upstart
[11:01:52] * MrPlow smakes upstart upside the head with a sac of Khyber's AC LEDs
[11:02:10] * Bytram looks around for some trees to fell
[11:03:08] <chromas> Looking to tear someone a new ax hole?
[11:04:45] * Bytram is just feeling 'chipper'
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[11:27:38] <chromas> =submit https://www.cnet.com +https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-autos/uk-to-cut-hybrid-car-subsidies-idUSKCN1MM0NQ
[11:27:41] <exec> ├─ 13The UK is ending subsidies on plug-in hybrid vehicles next month - Roadshow
[11:27:41] <exec> └─ 13UK to cut hybrid car subsidies | Reuters
[11:27:42] <upstart> Submitting "The UK is ending subsidies on plug-in hybrid vehicles next month"...
[11:28:05] <upstart> Submit failed: You must wait a little bit before using this resource; please try again later.
[11:29:09] <chromas> =submit https://www.cnet.com +https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-autos/uk-to-cut-hybrid-car-subsidies-idUSKCN1MM0NQ
[11:29:12] <exec> ├─ 13The UK is ending subsidies on plug-in hybrid vehicles next month - Roadshow
[11:29:12] <exec> └─ 13UK to cut hybrid car subsidies | Reuters
[11:29:12] <upstart> Submitting "The UK is ending subsidies on plug-in hybrid vehicles next month"...
[11:29:24] * chromas donkeypunches rehash
[11:29:35] <upstart> Submit failed: You must wait a little bit before using this resource; please try again later.
[11:30:44] <chromas> =submit https://phys.org
[11:30:46] <exec> └─ 13Fake or real? New study finds consumers wary of manipulated photos
[11:30:47] <upstart> Submitting "Fake or real? New study finds consumers wary of manipulated photos"...
[11:31:09] <upstart> Submit failed: This resource is no longer valid. Please return to the beginning and try again.
[11:32:27] <chromas> ~arthur https://phys.org
[11:32:31] <exec> └─ 13Fake or real? New study finds consumers wary of manipulated photos
[11:32:32] <exec> 757 stories loaded
[11:32:32] <exec> story not found
[11:32:50] <Bytram> =submit https://phys.org
[11:32:52] <exec> └─ 13Fake or real? New study finds consumers wary of manipulated photos
[11:32:53] <upstart> Submitting "Fake or real? New study finds consumers wary of manipulated photos"...
[11:33:16] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[11:34:33] <chromas> Maybe it just doesn't likes me
[11:35:25] <Bytram> there's some kind of timer... need to wait at least 60 seconds between submits, and cannot reuse old reskey, so as soon as you *use* it, delete it.
[11:35:57] <chromas> It's deleted when it goes out of scope when the function exits
[11:36:04] <chromas> It always asks the server for a new one
[11:37:09] <Bytram> I've seen error messages from your bot suggesting it was trying to reuse a resource, IIRC, and thought that was what it was. I dunno.
[11:37:37] <chromas> It does. Rehash actually gives the same reskey
[11:37:53] <chromas> So it must have it cached somewhere
[11:38:29] * chromas blames Barrabas
[11:42:08] <chromas> oh wait, the "wait a little bit" message sounds like it's not waiting enough from creation of the reskey. Weird that it only started throwing that error when I made it check for reskey reuse
[11:42:17] <Bytram> so, when you get a reskey, copy it to reskey_prev, and when you request *another* one, compare it against the saved copy?
[11:42:22] <chromas> I'd think a 21-second wait would be enough time to cover the 20-second wait
[11:43:20] <Bytram> well, if you get an error message, wait 5 seconds and try again. Set a limit on how many times to retry and loop until success or loop_limit reached.
[11:43:26] <chromas> It does that now. I haven't seen it throw that error though. Now it does the "wait a little bit"
[11:44:30] <chromas> I should add auto-retries. Good idear
[11:44:30] <chromas> Bytram++
[11:44:30] * chromas waits for the message to go through
[11:44:30] <Bender> karma - bytram: 70
[11:44:45] <Bytram> hth
[11:45:10] <chromas> only 38 seconds from increment to Bender's output
[11:45:16] <chromas> For some reason my net keeps frizzing up
[11:46:26] <Bytram> I wrote a lowest level utility whose sole job is to use previously arranged cookies (if any), domain (dev.soylentnews.org or prod), URL, and a string to post (maybe some other stuff, but that's the main things) ...
[11:48:24] <Bytram> then there's an outer utility that iterates the lowest-level one up to N times with an inter-try delay of S seconds... all attempts are logged with date/time stamp, with the URL sent and what the return code was.
[11:48:48] <Bytram> umm, logging output actually comes from the lowest-level util
[11:48:58] <Bytram> encapsulation++
[11:48:58] <Bender> karma - encapsulation: 1
[11:49:44] <Bytram> inasmuchasis possible, I avoid any direct commands to the servers; prefer to run 'em through my util so everything gets tried/logged in a consistent way.
[11:50:30] <Bytram> #g Maxine Waters
[11:50:31] <MrPlow> https://waters.house.gov - "About Maxine · About Maxine · Biography · In Congress · 43rd District · News Center · News Center · Photos · Videos · Press Kit · Press Releases · Floor ..."
[11:50:31] <upstart> ^ 03Congresswoman Maxine Waters
[11:52:55] <chromas> Well I'm dumb. The dupe check doesn't work because the old reskey's wiped before the check
[11:53:19] <chromas> Maybe I could take a lesson from crutchy and use a global
[16:37:36] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[16:37:38] <upstart> ^ 03Another NASA space telescope just went into safe mode ( https://www.cnet.com )
[16:37:39] <exec> └─ 13Another NASA space telescope just went into safe mode - CNET
[17:08:52] <Bytram> #g mars rover dust storm
[17:08:53] <MrPlow> https://www.space.com - "Aug 31, 2018 ... If NASA's Opportunity Mars rover is still alive, we should hear from it relatively soon. The solar-powered Opportunity hasn't made a peep since ..."
[17:08:55] <upstart> ^ 03With Mars Dust Storm Clearing, Opportunity Rover Could Finally Wake Up
[17:09:13] <Bytram> #g Mars opportunity status
[17:09:14] <MrPlow> https://mars.nasa.gov - "The dust storm on Mars continues to subside with atmospheric opacity (tau) .... to 5161, July 25, 2018 - July 31, 2018: Still No Change in Opportunity's Status."
[17:09:16] <upstart> ^ 03Mars Exploration Rover Mission: All Opportunity Updates
[17:10:46] <Bytram> #g voyager 1 probe
[17:10:46] <MrPlow> https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov - "NASA's Voyager: Still Reaching for the Stars · Humanity's farthest and longest-lived spacecraft, Voyager 1 and 2, achieve 41 years of operation and exploration ..."
[17:10:49] <upstart> ^ 03Voyager
[17:21:51] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[17:21:52] <upstart> ^ 03First Man review: Awe-inspiring space drama brings you the moon and stars ( https://www.cnet.com )
[17:21:53] <exec> └─ 13First Man review: Awe-inspiring space drama brings you the moon and stars - CNET