#editorial | Logs for 2018-09-02

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[00:15:53] <chromas> Is Minister Quits on Radio politics?
[00:16:58] * chromas sets politics=true;
[00:58:42] <Bytram> chromas: Dang! I changed the nexus on one of the submission to politics from mainpage, the other was already set to politics, checkboxed both of 'em, then hit merge... and failed to check that the resultant story was in the politics nexus... Great Catch!
[01:05:29] <chromas> Does it preserve them during merge?
[01:08:03] <chromas> People [who?] say they don't want politics [citation needed] but they get the most comments. I think we should have ads on the political nexus [unsubstantiated opinion]
[01:11:55] <Bytram> chromas: people watch NASCAR for the race^w crashes
[01:12:20] <chromas> Yeah but comments are participation. Plus NASCAR has ads
[01:12:33] <chromas> I thought NASCAR was just an excuse to be able to drink all day
[01:12:34] <Bytram> maybe, with politics, there's less determinism?
[01:12:37] <Bytram> what I mean is
[01:13:00] <Bytram> with a tech story, one can often read it, follow the explanation, and generally, pretty much agree
[01:13:11] <Bytram> or disagree... more black and white
[01:13:21] <Bytram> with politics, there's more "gray"
[01:13:37] <chromas> Sure. But comments are the whole point of the site. I think we need Russian bots to get the conversation going.
[01:13:37] <Bytram> more room for discussion / disagreement
[01:14:11] <Bytram> IIRC, editors were *supposed* to be able to comment on a story before it went live
[01:14:30] <Bytram> could put out leading questions or observations to start a discussion
[01:14:37] <Bytram> and keep the story free from
[01:14:40] <Bytram> personal bias
[01:14:59] <chromas> Isn't that what the story's for though? If I wanted it without bias I'd click the link
[01:15:12] <Bytram> I remember looking at the code a long time ago, and never did quite figure out where the check was being made incorrectly for that
[01:15:21] <chromas> Ah, so it's a bug
[01:15:56] <Bytram> well, rather than amending someboedy's submission with questions that I would add to encourage discussion
[01:16:27] <Bytram> well, we can do no more (or less) than any other user on the site when it comes to commenting on as-yet unreleased stories
[01:16:41] <Bytram> so,
[01:16:50] <Bytram> we are not so much blocked as that we
[01:17:00] <chromas> are truncated
[01:17:02] <Bytram> do not have a useful(?) additional capability
[01:17:57] <chromas> We could add a magical nexus, put the story in it, fast-forward, post comments, then reschedule in main nexus
[01:18:08] <chromas> It's all too easy :)
[01:18:40] <Bytram> interesting...
[01:18:57] <Bytram> and how would we keep people from joining the magig nexus?
[01:19:03] <Bytram> s/gig/gic/
[01:19:05] <exec> <Bytram> and how would we keep people from joining the magic nexus?
[01:19:07] <chromas> Can they see it?
[01:19:14] <chromas> Maybe make the nexus no-display
[01:19:16] <Bytram> generally, yes
[01:19:39] <Bytram> I think that appears in a different place in the DB
[01:20:03] <Bytram> display or not is a per-story attribute
[01:20:30] <Bytram> well, actually: story.display : boolean;
[01:20:39] <Bytram> (IIRC)
[01:21:13] <chromas> Time for Change
[01:21:35] * Bytram rummages in his couch and finds a couple pennies under the cushions
[01:21:40] <chromas> I bet WordPress doesn't have that problem. Or stability
[01:21:55] <Bytram> true and true
[01:28:33] <Bytram> chromas: I'm looking at your submission: https://soylentnews.org
[01:28:34] <upstart> ^ 03Criminals could use 'skill squatting' to hijack your smart speaker: SoylentNews Submission
[01:28:35] <exec> └─ 13Criminals could use 'skill squatting' to hijack your smart speaker: SoylentNews Submission
[01:29:00] <Bytram> which sources from: https://www.techradar.com
[01:29:01] <upstart> ^ 03Criminals could use 'skill squatting' to hijack your smart speaker
[01:29:22] <Bytram> but, at the bottom of that ^^^ page it has:
[01:29:31] <Bytram> Via Ars Technica
[01:29:50] <Bytram> and the Ars Technica text is a link to: https://arstechnica.com
[01:29:52] <exec> └─ 13Researchers show Alexa “skill squatting” could hijack voice commands | Ars Technica
[01:29:52] <upstart> ^ 03Researchers show Alexa “skill squatting” could hijack voice commands
[01:30:38] <Bytram> I'd suggest resubmitting the story directly from Ars Technica.
[01:30:48] <chromas> The text isn't the same, either
[01:30:55] <chromas> upstart: submit https://arstechnica.com
[01:30:57] <exec> └─ 13Researchers show Alexa “skill squatting” could hijack voice commands | Ars Technica
[01:30:58] <upstart> Submitting "Researchers show Alexa “skill squatting” could hijack voice commands"...
[01:31:20] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[01:31:34] <chromas> It's much longerer too
[01:32:04] <Bytram> yes, I unerstand that... it's like tech radar did what we might do... take a story from a source, paraphrase/condense it, and then post *that*
[01:32:14] <chromas> Bastards
[01:32:26] <chromas> They terk are jerbs!
[01:33:13] <Bytram> u got that backwards... we're taking their jerbs!!!!
[01:34:09] <Bytram> brb dishes
[01:34:27] <chromas> If I didn't have it put my nick in there, I could post all my own stories and nobody's even know! >:)
[01:35:14] <chromas> Hm, it strips the <h3>s or whatever on the section titles, but still puts the text in
[01:35:31] <chromas> for example "Its master's voice"
[01:37:32] <Bytram> I notice that in the tech radar sub, it stripped the link/href from around ars technica... is that intentional?
[01:38:37] <chromas> Some sort of bug
[01:38:47] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:39:00] <Bytram> prolly a cockroach or some kind of fire ant
[01:40:21] <chromas> Not sure what it'd be. if it's an a tag with a non-empty href it should appear
[01:40:29] <Bytram> chromas: you want to nuke the original tech radar submission?
[01:40:56] <chromas> If you don't
[01:41:01] * chromas gains 1XP
[01:41:24] <chromas> Too bad it doesn't show the reason for deletion
[01:41:27] * Bytram upgrades chromas from XP to XP SP1
[01:45:45] * Bytram is trying to figure out how to reasonably condense the ars version of the story
[01:48:05] * Bytram is not having much luck atm... too warm here and I'm too tired.
[01:48:39] <Bytram> we've got things covered through the night... I'll leave it for now.
[01:49:27] <Bytram> either someone else can work on it overnight, or it'll be waiting in the AM when I will [hopefully] be in better position / condition to work on it.
[01:52:10] <Bytram> ~gnight chromas
[01:52:12] * exec homogeneously whips up a truecrypt volume of cornstarch for chromas
[01:52:52] <chromas> ~g'night Bytram
[01:52:54] * exec nonchalantly slides a spool of gaiety to Bytram
[01:52:58] <Bytram> 'twas nice chatting and working with ya lately... helped to make for a nice week off from work
[01:53:05] <Bytram> Ha Ha!
[01:53:16] <chromas> Much happiness tonight!
[01:53:23] <Bytram> who was that simpson's character?
[01:53:38] <Bytram> ~help
[01:53:59] <Bytram> ~milhouse
[01:54:02] <Bytram> nope
[01:54:12] <Bytram> oh well, have a great night anyway!
[01:54:14] <chromas> ~nelson
[01:54:15] <exec> 03: HA! HA!
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[11:00:00] <Bytram> .
[11:01:09] <Bytram> ~eds As this is a holiday weekend in the USA (Labor Day) so [most] folk have Monday off, I propose we maintain weekend story spacing through Monday as well.
[11:01:10] <exec> editor ping for Bytram (reason: as this is a holiday weekend in the usa (labor day) so [most] folk have monday off, i propose we maintain weekend story spacing through monday as well.): janrinok n1 nick Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 FatPhil mrpg chromas fyngyrz
[11:01:36] <Bytram> snow ^^^
[13:47:05] <Bytram> ~arthur ~arthur 1149c5
[13:47:08] <exec> 506 stories loaded
[13:47:08] <exec> story not found
[13:47:19] <Bytram> ~arthur 1149c5
[13:47:22] <exec> 506 stories loaded
[13:47:22] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Cargo ships that sink when their cargo suddenly liquefies"
[13:47:54] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[13:47:59] <exec> 506 stories loaded
[13:52:30] <Bytram> ~arthur https://arstechnica.com
[13:52:33] <exec> └─ 13Lead in US school water “disturbing”—Detroit just shut off all fountains | Ars Technica
[13:52:34] <exec> 506 stories loaded
[13:52:35] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Lead in US school water “disturbing”—Detroit just shut off all fountains"
[13:53:05] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[13:53:11] <exec> 505 stories loaded
[13:55:24] <Bytram> ~arthur https://www.bbc.com
[13:55:27] <exec> └─ 13Procrastination: It's pretty much all in the mind - BBC News
[13:55:28] <exec> 505 stories loaded
[13:55:29] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Procrastination is more about managing emotions than time: study"
[13:55:59] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[13:56:04] <exec> 504 stories loaded
[13:56:44] <Bytram> ~arthur https://www.theregister.co.uk
[13:56:46] <exec> it has been only 47 seconds since the last submission - please wait
[13:56:48] <exec> └─ 13Security bods: Android system broadcasts enable user tracking • The Register