#editorial | Logs for 2018-08-24

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[01:09:41] <Bytram> looks like the story queue has done run dry again... let's see if there's anything in the subs
[01:16:41] <Bytram> lunar bricks looks like apossibility
[01:24:11] <Bytram> oho, looks like someone else pushed out a story while I was working on that one...
[01:24:29] <Bytram> takyon++ thanks for the story queue assist!!
[01:24:29] <Bender> karma - takyon: 90
[01:28:41] <Bytram> whereto? permalink:%20https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/07/31/634442195/when-the-u-s-government-tried-to-replace-migrant-farmworkers-with-high-schoolers?live=1
[01:28:42] <upstart> ^ 03When The U.S. Government Tried To Replace Migrant Farmworkers With High Schoolers : The Salt : NPR
[01:28:44] <exec> └─ 13When The U.S. Government Tried To Replace Migrant Farmworkers With High Schoolers : The Salt : NPR
[01:28:52] <Bytram> whereto? permalink:%20https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/07/31/634442195/when-the-u-s-government-tried-to-replace-migrant-farmworkers-with-high-schoolers
[01:28:53] <upstart> ^ 03When The U.S. Government Tried To Replace Migrant Farmworkers With High Schoolers : The Salt : NPR
[01:28:54] <exec> └─ 13When The U.S. Government Tried To Replace Migrant Farmworkers With High Schoolers : The Salt : NPR
[01:29:18] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.npr.org
[01:29:18] <upstart> ^ 03When The U.S. Government Tried To Replace Migrant Farmworkers With High Schoolers : The Salt : NPR
[01:29:20] <exec> └─ 13When The U.S. Government Tried To Replace Migrant Farmworkers With High Schoolers : The Salt : NPR
[01:43:04] <Bytram> okay, that's two in the queue
[01:43:16] <Bytram> rhyme++
[01:43:16] <Bender> karma - rhyme: 1
[01:45:43] -!- INLinuxdude [INLinuxdude!~CoolHand@Soylent/Staff/Editor/CoolHand] has joined #editorial
[01:45:43] -!- mode/#editorial [+v INLinuxdude] by Hephaestus
[01:46:15] INLinuxdude is now known as CoolHand
[01:49:07] <Bytram> CoolHand: !!
[01:51:26] <CoolHand> Bytram !!
[01:51:47] <CoolHand> I just saw Janrinok's big news, so thought I'd pop in to see if he was around to tell him I appreciated him.. :D
[01:54:30] <Bytram> yeah, he doesn't show up here much
[01:55:14] <Bytram> I sent him an e-mail, instead.
[01:55:19] <CoolHand> well, worth a shot.. anyway, it was aobut time to resurrect my irc client. after it crashed with my mail server
[01:55:27] <Bytram> oooops
[01:55:36] <Bytram> how ya been?
[01:55:46] <CoolHand> luckily I had my config saved from my other server since that irc directory wasn't backed up
[01:55:49] <CoolHand> I been ok
[01:55:57] <Bytram> backups++
[01:55:58] <Bender> karma - backups: 2
[01:56:00] <CoolHand> busy getting the last kid to college, working on motorcycles, etc..
[01:56:29] <CoolHand> (and rebuilidng a mail server and making new backups of the new one, as well as all my othe rpersonal stuff.. .haha)
[01:56:33] <Bytram> waitaminute... last kid to college? I didn't know you had any. Wow!
[01:56:41] <CoolHand> haha, yeah
[01:56:53] <CoolHand> empty nester now... w00t
[01:57:06] <Bytram> hey, did you know that kids are hereditary?
[01:57:14] <CoolHand> what/????????????????????????????????
[01:57:30] <Bytram> If your parent's didn't have any, you probably won't either.
[01:57:30] <CoolHand> they have my j(g)eans
[01:57:49] <Bytram> ;)
[01:58:03] <CoolHand> hah..
[01:58:17] <Bytram> Lemme guess. Jordache Genes?
[01:58:32] <Bytram> #g jordache jeans
[01:58:33] <MrPlow> https://www.jordache.com - "Introducing Jordache Legacy - A Collection Of Iconic Jordache Styles."
[01:58:34] <upstart> ^ 03Jordache | An Exclusive Collection of Iconic Jordache Styles - Jordache
[01:58:36] <CoolHand> well, maybe, my genes are pretty fancy
[01:58:41] <Bytram> lol
[01:58:57] <Bytram> they were big way back.. in the 70's??
[01:59:20] * Bytram keeps getting reminders that he is getting old[er]
[01:59:23] <CoolHand> early 80s maybe
[01:59:31] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:59:54] <Bytram> right around the time of Brooke Shields and her Calvin Klein commercial
[02:00:16] <CoolHand> mmmm, brooke shields... those were the days
[02:00:18] <CoolHand> :D
[02:00:44] <Bytram> Heh, and Bo Derek, too
[02:00:55] <CoolHand> ya ya... '10'
[02:01:15] <Bytram> Between you and me, she was pretty, yes, but I wouldn't say a '10'
[02:01:41] * Bytram realizes he probably comes in at about a 5
[02:02:13] <CoolHand> well, not all of us can be $DEITY's gift to women..
[02:02:28] <CoolHand> I'm sure you make up in personality.. :D
[02:02:30] <CoolHand> haha
[02:02:47] * CoolHand has *no idea* what number he would be
[02:02:54] <CoolHand> I'm good nuff for the wife I guess
[02:03:00] <Bytram> Looking back, I failed to read the signs that suggested I was not as bad as I thought I was.
[02:03:02] <CoolHand> and she wasn't bad looking 20 years ago
[02:03:14] <CoolHand> (when we met on 8 year old IRC I guess)
[02:03:16] <Bytram> #smake CoolHand
[02:03:16] * MrPlow smakes CoolHand upside the head with a hashref
[02:03:27] <CoolHand> ow!
[02:04:05] <CoolHand> I can't ever remember all those nifty little bot commands
[02:04:19] <Bytram> of course, you were going to follow up that last comment with: And she's even more attractive to me, today!
[02:04:25] <Bytram> amirite?
[02:04:50] * CoolHand looks around.... yeah, that's it...
[02:05:01] <Bytram> thot so
[02:05:15] <CoolHand> wait is this channel logged?
[02:05:21] <CoolHand> She's even HOTTER than EVER!!!
[02:06:07] <Bytram> I'm sure reading those last few comments could have warmed her up just a bit.
[02:06:31] <CoolHand> yeah, Jordache's make her hot...
[02:06:45] <Bytram> much bettah!
[02:08:03] <CoolHand> well, good chat... I gotta get off of here and get some sleep (going to try to mail Janrinok first if I can), got a big day tomorrow with work..
[02:08:07] <CoolHand> have a good one Bytram
[02:08:28] <Bytram> very much enjoyed chatting with ya...
[02:08:37] <Bytram> has been too long and is nice to keep up with ya
[02:08:38] <CoolHand> :thumbsup:
[02:08:42] <Bytram> best of luck with the kid in school
[02:08:53] <Bytram> and your big day at work tomorrow, too!
[02:08:58] <CoolHand> thanks... it's already been trying.. starting the 1st day.. anyway, long story, gotta go.. :D
[02:09:01] <Bytram> ciao for now, mon amigo
[02:09:19] * Bytram groans... that was BAD, even for ME!
[02:09:35] <Bytram> time for me to take a break, too.
[02:37:55] <Bytram> Had to do some cleanup, so please take a closer-than-usual look at the Kalashnikov story when 2nding it.
[02:48:52] <chromas> looks almost the same, except for a paragraph break and...ah, there it is
[02:52:12] <Bytram> yeah, that was a more challenging than usual to follow where things came from and what was quoted and etc.
[02:55:52] <Bytram> ugh... time has flown by. Should really go to bed soon, but still need a story or two to make it until start-of-work on the US East coast.
[02:56:32] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.washingtonpost.com
[02:56:32] <upstart> ^ 031,464 Western Australian government officials used ‘Password123’ as their password. Cool, cool. - The Washington Post ( https://www.washingtonpost.com )
[02:56:33] <exec> └─ 131,464 Western Australian government officials used ‘Password123’ as their password. Cool, cool. - The Washington Post
[03:06:20] <Bytram> .
[03:08:09] <Bytram> I got 5 stories pushed out and have just done gone tird
[03:08:33] <Bytram> have a great night time, everyone.
[03:36:44] -!- mrpg [mrpg!~mrpg@Soylent/Staff/Editor/mrpg] has joined #editorial
[03:36:44] -!- mode/#editorial [+v mrpg] by Hephaestus
[03:36:49] <mrpg> hi
[03:37:04] <mrpg> I'll do "artic route"
[03:37:20] <mrpg> Though I'd rather go to Japan or France but it's ok.
[03:37:27] <mrpg> I studied russian.
[03:37:30] <mrpg> For two days.
[03:37:49] <mrpg> So I can get by there.
[03:48:31] <mrpg> Ready
[03:52:02] <mrpg> improved thermal ready
[03:56:27] <mrpg> Hey, I saw this story a few days ago but I can't find iot:
[03:56:29] <mrpg> New Attack Recovers RSA Encryption Keys from EM Waves Within Seconds
[03:56:37] <mrpg> There's a sub about it.
[03:59:34] <mrpg> https://soylentnews.org
[03:59:37] <upstart> ^ 03OpenSSL (1.1.0g) Key Sniffed From Radio Signal - SoylentNews
[03:59:37] <exec> └─ 13OpenSSL (1.1.0g) Key Sniffed From Radio Signal - SoylentNews
[03:59:51] <mrpg> IS the same thing? I don't know, it's late.
[04:02:28] <mrpg> bye!
[04:03:35] <chromas> Looks like it's the same
[04:03:49] <chromas> But the new one is past tense, where as the old one was future I think
[04:04:05] <mrpg> This piano looks very good https://www.youtube.com
[04:04:06] <upstart> ^ 03Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata (1st Movement) - YouTube
[04:04:07] <exec> └─ 13Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata (1st Movement) - YouTube
[04:05:28] <mrpg> ok watch out
[04:05:40] <mrpg> Now I'm leaving bye
[04:05:41] <mrpg> live
[04:05:47] <mrpg> do like a tree and go.
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[11:49:23] <chromas> In the History of Gopher sub, I wanted to link to NCommander's postings about it but I didn't find anything but a comment
[11:51:58] <NCommander> ?
[11:52:06] * NCommander has been summoned
[11:52:10] <NCommander> chromas, ?
[11:53:05] <chromas> Didn't you post a story about your work on the sn gopher gateway?
[11:53:57] <chromas> I assume it's not running, but if I curl gopher://soylentnews.org it sits like it's waiting for something
[11:54:17] * chromas doesn't know how to gopher
[11:58:44] <Bytram> chromas: Zoinks! *gopher*??? That was way WAY back in like the first couple of months of the site's existence (IIRC)
[11:59:48] <chromas> I didn't remember if it worked at all, but I thought it might be an amusing addition to the edition
[12:00:01] <Bytram> try this: https://soylentnews.org
[12:00:04] <upstart> ^ 03SN eBBQ ... So To Speak (And Watch NCommander Play Nethack ) - SoylentNews
[12:00:05] <exec> └─ 13SN eBBQ ... So To Speak (And Watch NCommander Play Nethack ) - SoylentNews
[12:00:16] <Bytram> which has a link to: gopher://dev.soylentnews.org
[12:00:43] <NCommander> chromas, its still around but I never finished the code. gopher was a 4/1 joke I've yet to finish. It was a NetNews gateway
[12:00:45] <Bytram> ^^^ referenced within: "I was planning my own fun feature to add to the site, but was unable to finish it fully in time. (For the curious, here is an experimental version [soylentnews.org] of it.) Unfortunately, we are not yet ready to deploy the next site update. "
[12:02:04] <chromas> Doesn't seem to be running on dev either :'(
[12:02:13] <Bytram> time for me to get ready for work....
[12:02:41] * Bytram waves hello to NCommander before heading out
[12:03:02] <NCommander> It's disabled but still in the code
[12:03:08] <chromas> ah
[12:03:08] <Bytram> ahhhh, nod nod
[12:03:38] <Bytram> ISTR that there was one time when NCommander actually ensured that the site rendered correctly using... Mosaic !!!
[12:04:17] <NCommander> <g>
[12:04:24] <chromas> NCSA or Spyglass?
[12:04:25] <Bytram> btw, I have not personally used it, but I have a question...
[12:04:29] <NCommander> It still renders correctly, just no support for modern TLS
[12:04:31] <NCommander> chromas, NCSA
[12:04:48] <Bytram> in the user pregferences there are controls to set comment moderation 'modifications'
[12:04:52] <chromas> Ah, thread-local storage
[12:04:57] <Bytram> like for ACs and for Friends or Foes
[12:05:47] <Bytram> those, in turn, can be used along with threshold / breakout to winnow out / aggressively include comments by certain users of the site.
[12:06:15] <Bytram> I realize now, that i did no testing of that feature when the 'whole new threaded comment' code was written
[12:06:39] <Bytram> is there anyone here who has tried those? does it work as it says on the tin? any known problems?
[12:07:26] <chromas> no
[12:07:35] * chromas speaks for all ;)
[12:07:41] * Bytram is thinking of writing a story which gives a play-by-play of those controls so as to give the community info on how to better configure the site to their liking...
[12:08:00] <Bytram> think that $user is a PITA? Make 'em a foe and meta-downmod them.
[12:08:01] <chromas> Could also use a wiki entry
[12:08:21] <Bytram> think someone has an especially interesting point of view, meta-upmod 'em
[12:08:28] <Bytram> brilliant!
[12:09:26] <Bytram> beware of the different UIs with ToS vs TNG and how things are displayed... by rights we should really have an entry for each of those (tng/tos)
[12:09:31] <Bytram> ok really gtg
[12:09:36] <Bytram> laters!!
[12:10:13] <Bytram> chromas++ thanks for filling the queue today... I am swamped lately and availability probably won't clear up for a couple more days
[12:10:13] <Bender> karma - chromas: 35
[12:12:27] <chromas> Has anybody invented xml-transport-protocol yet?
[12:32:19] <chromas> 🌮submit https://www.theguardian.com
[12:32:21] <upstart> Submitting "Experience: I Can't Picture Things in My Mind"...
[12:32:21] <exec> └─ 13Experience: I can't picture things in my mind | Life and style | The Guardian
[12:32:43] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[20:55:31] <chromas> Should Russian haxx go into politics nexus?
[22:38:05] <Bytram> chromas: Would have to read the article to be sure, but if the emphasis is primarily on the hacking attempt and mechanism, then I suspect it would be fine on the main page. If the emphasis is on *Russian* hacking, instead, then I would recommend the politics nexus.
[22:38:26] <Bytram> And, if it is unclear which way or the other, then err on the side of caution and put it in the Politics nexus.
[23:48:06] <chromas> I really like the dept on Apache Struts :D :D
[23:48:22] * chromas hopes it doesn't get deleted
[23:48:38] <chromas> Maybe I should make it smaller or something less stick-outy
[23:52:22] <Bytram> chromas: yeah.. that *would* be a good idea... I'll do it, but I will also give you an "A" for creativity, that was a good find!
[23:52:25] <Bytram> chromas++
[23:52:25] <Bender> karma - chromas: 36
[23:53:14] <chromas> :'(
[23:54:00] <chromas> Maybe a couple newlines or something
[23:54:56] <Bytram> better: </strong></div><h5>validate-your-inputs");drop⠀table⠀comments;\</h5><div>
[23:55:10] <Bytram> .
[23:55:19] <chromas> What size is h5 though?
[23:55:23] <Bytram> but still risky in messing with the page layout that way
[23:55:28] <Bytram> big. enough.
[23:55:30] <Bytram> .
[23:55:34] <Bytram> think I'll go with this:
[23:55:35] <Bytram> <br><br><b>validate-your-inputs");drop⠀table⠀comments;\</b><br><br>
[23:55:37] <chromas> <sup><sup><sup><sup>
[23:56:13] <Bytram> what <sup> ??
[23:56:31] <Bytram> Hey, mannn.... what ,sup>?
[23:56:46] * Bytram clicks save
[23:56:55] <Bytram> chromas: go ahead and give it a look
[23:57:01] <chromas> <sup> dawgg
[23:57:29] <chromas> noice
[23:57:33] <chromas> Bytram++
[23:57:33] <Bender> karma - bytram: 68
[23:57:43] <Bytram> glad you liked it!!
[23:57:46] <chromas> I clicked to view it first and it still showed it with the h1
[23:57:51] <chromas> refresh, and still h1
[23:57:56] <chromas> Edit shows the h5 though
[23:58:02] <chromas> Maybe cache?
[23:59:01] <chromas> oh, not h5 /me is blind
[23:59:59] <Bytram> should be seeing the <br> and <b> version when you *edit* it... takes a few minutes for you to *view* it before things percolate through to the main site, at least.