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[06:30:59] -!- mode/#editorial [+v janrinok] by Hephaestus
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[09:43:57] <aristarchus> fungus all over the place. Kinda like a gym.
[09:44:26] <aristarchus> Time for an aristarchus submission, laddies!
[09:44:37] <aristarchus> quit
[09:44:53] <aristarchus> #quit
[09:45:06] <aristarchus> No, really /quit
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[11:05:58] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.google.com
[11:08:47] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.linkedin.com
[11:24:13] <Bytram> janrinok: !!
[11:24:36] <Bytram> janrinok: /me has to get ready for work shortly, but wanted to wave and say "Hi!"
[11:25:19] <Bytram> also, arthur seems to have had an issue with extracting a URL in a recent story: https://soylentnews.org
[11:25:21] <upstart> ^ 03Zipline's Drones Will Deliver Blood in the United States This Year - SoylentNews
[11:25:22] <exec> └─ 13Zipline's Drones Will Deliver Blood in the United States This Year - SoylentNews
[11:25:46] <Bytram> this link somehow got split up very strangely: The system is able to get blood from a centralized distribution center to where it's needed in minutes
[11:26:43] <Bytram> " The system is able to get blood from a centralized distribution center to where it's needed in minutes"
[11:27:09] <Bytram> Compare what is there, now, to what was in the Original Submission: https://soylentnews.org
[11:27:10] <upstart> ^ 03Zipline'S Drones Will Deliver Blood In The United States This Year: SoylentNews Submission
[11:27:11] <exec> └─ 13Zipline'S Drones Will Deliver Blood In The United States This Year: SoylentNews Submission
[11:41:33] <janrinok> Bytram, I'll have to look into the code and see if I can see what has caused that. Thanks for the heads up
[11:42:44] <Bytram> janrinok: !!!!!!!!!!!
[11:42:53] <Bytram> So good to 'see' you!
[11:43:00] <janrinok> Bytram, !!!! gtg and take S for an appt!
[11:43:18] <Bytram> yep, thought you'd want to know about that one.. I see no obvious reason why it did that so thot it might pique your curiosity
[11:43:22] <janrinok> will be on later - hope things are good with you
[11:43:23] <Bytram> ciao for now!
[11:43:34] <Bytram> and.. speak up! can't hear ya! =)
[11:43:39] <janrinok> what?
[11:46:43] <Bytram> ROFL!!!!!!!!!
[11:46:58] <Bytram> yep, and I gtg too, :(
[11:47:09] <Bytram> my best to you and to S, as well!
[14:03:04] <janrinok> Late to the conversation, but would replacing a user ID with something like "Removed0001" meet the requirement. Everything else would still point to the new 'UserID' and as long as we remove the personal data (email, etc) I think that would be sufficient.
[14:09:21] <janrinok> However, IANAL!
[14:25:15] <chromas> janrinok: s/A/,A/
[14:25:17] <exec> <chromas> <janrinok> However, I,ANAL!
[14:56:05] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[14:56:07] * exec unwittingly snatches a dogbox of big 'uns from janrinok
[14:56:16] <cmn32480> chromas - he is only anal when it comes to his alheimers cock
[15:20:24] * chromas nods clockily
[16:30:27] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[16:30:29] * exec unwillingly copies a stash of "Shit-on-a-stick, Elizabeth!" for cmn32480
[16:30:30] <janrinok> ~gday chromas
[16:30:32] * exec curiously allocates a trunkload of jury duty for chromas
[16:30:51] <chromas> ~g'day janrinok
[16:30:53] * exec brazenly cyberbullies a BTRFS subvolume of ciri's bothole at janrinok
[16:31:21] <janrinok> how's things?
[16:32:11] <chromas> Okay so far
[16:32:15] * chromas is collecting news feeds
[16:32:19] <chromas> How're things there?
[16:32:43] <janrinok> not too bad - having a busy time but the weather is slowly improving so at least I can get outside a bit
[16:33:13] <chromas> We just started getting rain
[16:33:26] <chromas> for the next few days, except Monday for some reason
[16:33:57] <janrinok> well, we have a few showers forecast but the last couple of days have been OK, and we expect showers at this time of year anyway
[16:34:17] <cmn32480> I'm glad you ahve a few showers scheduled... I'd suggest 1 per day.. I can smell you from ehre
[16:34:31] <chromas> 1 per month, you say
[16:35:09] <janrinok> are you sure it is me that you can smell - don't forget I am surrounded by Frenchies
[16:36:09] <cmn32480> i can smell a brit 3000 miles away.,,,
[16:36:19] <cmn32480> or 5000km... whatever
[16:36:30] <janrinok> as long as you stay that far away, we are all happy
[16:36:49] <cmn32480> J feels the same way
[16:36:58] <janrinok> lol
[16:37:14] <janrinok> hows your 4-legged friend - eating you out of house and home yet?
[16:37:16] <cmn32480> f**k... I'm being paged...
[16:37:55] <janrinok> serves you right for mocking us Brits
[16:40:20] <janrinok> Had a good laugh yesterday - I was on another chat site and an American asked 'What the hell are the Commonwealth Games, Why haven't we got a team there?". The quick reply from a Brit was "Because you wouldn't drink our F**ing tea!"
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[17:10:03] <janrinok> ~gday fungus
[17:10:05] * exec slowly internalizes a trunk of trail mix in fungus
[17:11:51] <fyngyrz> Thank you for greeting my bot. :)
[17:12:10] <janrinok> np - I'll talk to anything, I'm well known for it ...
[17:12:16] <janrinok> ~gday fyngyrz
[17:12:18] * exec half-heartedly pesters a dutch oven of dianetics with fyngyrz
[17:12:23] <janrinok> see, even you!
[17:12:49] <fyngyrz> $aa {cowsay gday, janrinok}
[17:12:49] <fungus> 01.--------------
[17:12:50] <fungus> <gday, janrinok>
[17:12:50] <fungus> 01.--------------
[17:12:51] <fungus> \ ^__^
[17:12:51] <fungus> \ (oo)\_______
[17:12:52] <janrinok> what does your bot do?
[17:12:52] <fungus> (__)\ )\/\
[17:12:52] <fungus> ||----w |
[17:12:53] <fungus> || ||
[17:13:47] <fyngyrz> it lets me (and you, by extension) utilize my macro language. I get to set up the macros, but it caqn do pretty much anything
[17:14:27] <fyngyrz> $aa {teal super green}
[17:14:27] <fungus> 11super green
[17:14:44] <janrinok> ok, what is it set up to do so far, apart from cowsay
[17:14:46] <fyngyrz> $aa {list}
[17:14:46] <fungus> For specifics, try 09$aa {h item}: 07 aa_macro action b black blue brown chr chromas cowsay cyan dt dude echo green grey h help i lblue lcyan lgrey lime list nick orange pink purple r red sub sudo teal u white yellow z
[17:15:02] <fyngyrz> $aa {h dude}
[17:15:02] <fungus> 09style help: {dude NICK} -- Kudos to whomever you provide as a parameter
[17:15:15] <fyngyrz> so...
[17:15:28] <fyngyrz> $aa {dude janrinok}
[17:15:29] <fungus> That janrinok, what a xer-xylophonist!
[17:15:50] <janrinok> I _think_ that is a compliment...
[17:15:54] <fyngyrz> $aa {dude janrinok}
[17:15:54] <fungus> That janrinok, what a outstanding operator!
[17:15:57] <fyngyrz> $aa {dude janrinok}
[17:15:57] <fungus> That janrinok, what a radiant reasoner!
[17:16:01] <fyngyrz> etc.
[17:16:27] <janrinok> I'll have a look at it over the weekend
[17:16:46] <fyngyrz> so the triggers with $, and 'aa' is the access to my macro language. I can write other modules, but that's the one I was actually interested in
[17:18:34] <fyngyrz> $aa {pat janrinok}
[17:18:34] <fungus> fyngyrz pats janrinok on the head
[17:19:29] <janrinok> you have a specific interest in macro languages?
[17:19:49] <fyngyrz> Well, specific in that I wrote one, yes
[17:20:14] <fyngyrz> $aa {pat {purple janrinok}}
[17:20:14] <fungus> fyngyrz pats 06janrinok on the head
[17:20:31] <fyngyrz> $aa {pat {purple {b janrinok}}}
[17:20:31] <fungus> fyngyrz pats 06janrinok on the head
[17:22:16] <fyngyrz> The implementation here - on IRC - allows anyone to invoke a predefined macro, but does not give them access to the low-level components of the language, as it is very powerful, and hence a concern in terms of mucking about with in a dark-hatted manner
[17:22:54] <janrinok> understood
[17:23:05] <fyngyrz> I only built the bot yesterday, and then integrated the language, and then wrote the macros you see with {list}, so it's not all that fleshed out as yet
[17:23:56] <janrinok> what language is it written in?
[17:24:07] <fyngyrz> I don't think I got all the help stuff done, for instance I just wrote that "pat" one while we were talking, and I need to do the help for it
[17:24:10] <fyngyrz> Python
[17:24:26] <janrinok> Python or Python3/
[17:24:28] <janrinok> ?
[17:24:50] <fyngyrz> 2.7
[17:24:54] <fyngyrz> so Python
[17:24:57] <janrinok> k
[17:25:13] <fyngyrz> I'm nopt a fan - at all - of Python 3, which is, as you intimated, not Python\
[17:25:57] <janrinok> I've changed over to P3 - I am quite happy with it. The changes are all for the best in my view and, once I got used to it, it is more consistent.
[17:26:25] <fyngyrz> I have a huge corpus of Python 2.7; and I'm simply not up for retesting it all.
[17:26:41] <janrinok> but it is horses for courses. There is a lot of P2 code out there that will need supporting for a long time to come
[17:26:47] <fyngyrz> I want to continue using it, too, so that means Python 2.7 for more stuff
[17:27:44] <janrinok> My original objection was that there was not the breadth of libraries written for P3, but that is not the case nowadays
[17:27:53] <fyngyrz> I have more to do than I have time for - by quite a margin - so things that are optional, but time-consuming, tend to head for the back burner (and fall right off the stove.)
[17:28:07] <janrinok> makes sense
[17:28:34] <fyngyrz> well, I tend to only use my own libraries; and they're all Python 2.7. So that sets up a whole chain of "stay with Python 2.7"
[17:29:19] <janrinok> I just ran my libs through 2to3 and it did its job in most cases
[17:29:26] <fyngyrz> for instance, the macro language is fairly hefty; and the documentation system that I wrote it to live in is hefty as wll.
[17:29:41] <fyngyrz> Oh, I have no doubt that's do the conversion. But it doesn't do the testing.
[17:29:49] <fyngyrz> that's my primary concern
[17:30:25] <fyngyrz> right now, my stuff has proven to be extremely reliable, and it's running in a quite a few mission-critical places. I would be... unhappy... if it became unstable/unreliable
[17:30:57] <janrinok> it does take a bit of manual intervention - the fact that everything is now automatically unicode makes new code much easier but can play havoc with some of my earlier work. But all that has been rewritten now so I am happy
[17:31:04] <fyngyrz> I do unit testing when possible, and so there's good reason to think I could pull it off with a lot of things, but there's always the possibility of a new hole opening up
[17:32:01] <fyngyrz> and with some things - like the macro language and doc system - they're open source and up on github, so if anyone wants them in Python3, why, they're welcome to attack the challenge :)
[17:32:42] <janrinok> can I have a linky please?
[17:33:19] <fyngyrz> the macro language is 172k of code, and the doc system is another 61k.
[17:33:25] <janrinok> lol
[17:33:27] <fyngyrz> $aa {aa_macro}
[17:33:27] <fungus> fyngyrz, please visit http://ourtimelines.com
[17:33:28] <upstart> ^ 03General
[17:33:30] <exec> └─ 13General
[17:34:41] <janrinok> thks
[17:35:34] <fyngyrz> $aa {github}
[17:35:34] <fungus> fyngyrz, please visit https://github.com
[17:35:35] <upstart> ^ 03fyngyrz (Ben) · GitHub
[17:54:22] <fyngyrz> There's this, too:
[17:54:25] <fyngyrz> $aa {play}
[17:54:25] <fungus> fyngyrz, please visit http://ourtimelines.com
[17:54:26] <upstart> ^ 03aa_macro syntax / display
[18:04:17] <janrinok> ty
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[22:28:14] * Bytram just updated https://soylentnews.org to provide an additional story reference which notes that the data breach also affects Sears, Kmart, and now Best Buy, too.
[22:28:16] <exec> └─ 13Data Breach Affects Hundreds of Thousands of Delta Air Lines Customers - SoylentNews
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[23:03:18] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[23:03:18] <upstart> ^ 03Airbus prepares the giant BelugaXL for its first flight - CNET ( https://www.cnet.com )
[23:03:20] <exec> └─ 13Airbus prepares the giant BelugaXL for its first flight - CNET