#editorial | Logs for 2018-03-19

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[00:26:12] <Bytram> hey gang... Had a very busy day at work and am wiped out. I see we are covered until early monday morning... hopefully someone can post a few more stories to give us more breathing room.
[00:26:31] <Bytram> wish I could do more, but I'm heading to bed shortly.
[00:41:26] <chromas> Should be do one of the submitted polls?
[00:41:29] <chromas> s/b/w/
[00:41:31] <exec> <chromas> Should we do one of the submitted polls?
[02:33:40] * cmn32480 logs into exec to edit the editors list for ~eds
[02:37:30] * cmn32480 feels jsut a tiny bit ill adding chromas to this list
[02:38:42] <chromas> I'm usually either watching the channel or away from irc, so you don't gots ta
[02:38:49] <cmn32480> ~eds I will be on the road most of the next 2 days and unavailable (not that I contribute a whole lot lately)... but I figured you all ought to know.
[02:38:50] <exec> editor ping for cmn32480 (reason: i will be on the road most of the next 2 days and unavailable (not that i contribute a whole lot lately)... but i figured you all ought to know.): janrinok n1 nick Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 FatPhil mrpg chromas
[02:39:01] <cmn32480> and did I miss anybody in the above list?
[02:39:28] <cmn32480> meh... I deleted a whole buncha people... had some white space... so i tossed your nick in there
[02:39:41] <chromas> I didn't see fyngyrz but he's rarely here
[02:39:46] <cmn32480> who?
[02:39:57] <chromas> The other new editor
[02:40:00] <cmn32480> oh
[02:40:06] <cmn32480> there are two of you?
[02:40:15] <cmn32480> if he/she/it one of your bots?
[02:40:35] <chromas> No it's a real user who got privs shortly after I did
[02:40:49] <cmn32480> shows you how much I pay attention
[02:40:53] <chromas> ~last nick=fyngyrz
[02:40:56] * chromas not sure of spelling
[02:40:57] <exec> 03[2018-03-15 15:18:3] #editorial <fyngyrz> well, let's mosey on over ther, then, shall we?
[02:41:33] <chromas> I haven't seen much of him in irc but he's at least seconded a few stories
[02:41:43] <cmn32480> I think he was in #soylent earlier
[02:41:52] <chromas> ~last nick=fyngyrz channel=
[02:41:57] <exec> 03[2018-03-18 12:45:5] #Soylent <fyngyrz> Figuratively speaking
[02:42:51] <cmn32480> see?
[02:42:52] <chromas> Apparently he's an editor elsewhere too
[02:43:01] <cmn32480> time to fire him
[02:43:17] <cmn32480> prior experience and knowing what you are doing is strictly against the code
[02:44:16] <cmn32480> any new devs?
[02:44:24] <cmn32480> I gots TMB, PJ and NC
[02:44:57] <cmn32480> I think Xyem is a dev too
[02:45:16] <cmn32480> he has voice in #dev... so he's either staff... or a bot belonging to TMB
[02:46:16] <chromas> I don't recall any new devs, though that kuro character seems interested in playing with the dev vm when tmb gets it up
[02:46:30] * chromas would also be interested in playing with it when he gets it up
[02:46:32] <cmn32480> ~eds This is just a test of the non-emergency broadcast system
[02:46:33] <exec> editor ping for cmn32480 (reason: this is just a test of the non-emergency broadcast system): janrinok n1 nick Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 FatPhil mrpg chromas fyngyrz
[02:46:42] <cmn32480> looks reasonable
[02:47:01] <cmn32480> ~devs this is just a test of your hearing aids.
[02:47:02] <exec> dev ping for cmn32480 (reason: this is just a test of your hearing aids.): TheMightyBuzzard paulej72 NCommander Xyem
[02:47:07] <cmn32480> works.
[02:47:20] <chromas> ~devs-add MrPlow
[02:47:30] * chromas doesn't recall how that works. Must be just a file
[02:47:39] <cmn32480> it's a file that has to be edited by hand
[02:47:53] <cmn32480> that's how I put you in it
[02:48:57] <cmn32480> ah well.. if I missed anybody.. they can bitch about it and in 6 months, if they are still ehre, I'll add them
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[05:56:24] <takyon> Bytram: I prefer to keep it as "Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:" like it appears here: https://soylentnews.org there's no need for two of <p class="byline"> I think
[05:56:26] <upstart> ^ 03LiDAR Scans are Finding Hidden Roman Roads and Cutting Crime - SoylentNews
[05:56:27] <exec> └─ 13LiDAR Scans are Finding Hidden Roman Roads and Cutting Crime - SoylentNews
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[13:21:50] <fyngyrz> I have a couple things to offer about the FAQ page.
[13:22:29] <fyngyrz> First, in the "Why is your grammar/spelling so bad?" FAQ item, there's a sentence that begins "attempt to catch most of the spelling and grammar mistakes by..."
[13:22:54] <fyngyrz> Which probably needs to be something on the order of "We attempt to catch most of the spelling and grammar mistakes by..."
[13:24:51] <fyngyrz> Second, this business about everyone's IP/hash being available to the site folk, such as editors. There was a back-and-forth today between some ACs, and one of them correctly ID'd the other. Could have been a guess; or, it could have been via the hashed IP, inasmuch as that did indeed ID the AC.
[13:26:26] <fyngyrz> I think that - at a minimum - the FAQ should disclose that an AC post can be associated with the user's account. Either that, or the capability should be removed, because it opens a path for actual identification of posters by the authorities.
[13:27:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> fyngyrz, nobody who isn't an ed or above has access to the hashed ip. acs most certainly don't.
[13:27:48] <fyngyrz> For instance: Authorities obtain access (legal leverage) to these ID's AC posts; IP links to actual account; authorities track timing of posts to actual account, match the hash to the account, thereby the IP, and bang, the AC is caught.
[13:27:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> some people do have a fairly distinctive writing style though.
[13:28:04] <fyngyrz> no, I understand, that's not my concern
[13:28:32] <fyngyrz> My concern is that this opens a path to ID an AC and that is a fundamental threat to anonymous speech
[13:28:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, we don't store the actual ip address anywhere. they'd have to build a rainbow table to turn a hash into an ip.
[13:29:01] <fyngyrz> I don't have a problem with it but I *do* think it should be disclosed on the FAQ page.
[13:29:11] <fyngyrz> I know you don't. You're not following
[13:29:24] <fyngyrz> Let me descvribe the problem again
[13:29:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, i get ya now.
[13:29:34] <fyngyrz> you do?
[13:29:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> watching traffic and matching timestamps.
[13:29:44] <fyngyrz> yes - for older AC posts
[13:29:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, ip hashes aren't kept beyond two weeks.
[13:30:08] <fyngyrz> you can't stop em from tracking a current post, but this enables tracking back a post that's a week old, for instance
[13:30:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah
[13:30:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> a week, even up to two is doable. beyond that it's unpossible.
[13:31:40] <fyngyrz> The fact that it is possible - at all - strikes me as something that should be disclosed.
[13:31:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you have a github account and want to whip up a pull request on the changes you'd like to see, i'll be happy to review and merge it. otherwise it'll have to go into the issues pile.
[13:32:28] <fyngyrz> Is the FAQ page part of the github repo?
[13:32:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> we've got over a hundred outstanding issues at the moment and just me actively working on them.
[13:32:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be, let me find a link.
[13:32:42] <fyngyrz> k, thanks
[13:33:17] <fyngyrz> I'll fix that sentence in the "Why is..." section while I'm at it
[13:35:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://github.com
[13:35:06] <upstart> ^ 03rehash/faq;faq;default at master · SoylentNews/rehash · GitHub
[13:37:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm in and out this morning but i'm around. shouldn't be away more than an hour at a time.
[13:37:48] <fyngyrz> no prob. What is the most efficient way to go about this? I've not worked on someone else's git previously
[13:38:12] <fyngyrz> I have multiples of my own, but have not collaborated as yet
[13:38:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> fork the repo, create a branch in your fork, make changes on that branch, make a pull request back to SoylentNews/master
[13:39:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's the standard procedure anyway. make enough pull requests and you'll get dragooned into helping maintain the SN repo though.
[13:40:26] * TheMightyBuzzard steps out for a little bit
[13:40:33] <fyngyrz> okay, let me see if I can manage all that. Off to github then.
[14:01:10] <fyngyrz> I think it's done. Hopefully. :)
[14:47:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> fyngyrz, adding "We " kind of kills the amusing irony of that second sentence but ah well. merging.
[14:57:29] <chromas> "We know it him 'cause he no use good grammar."
[15:07:55] <takyon> I'm pretty sure hashes are kept for months, not 2 weeks
[15:08:04] <fyngyrz> Yeah, I laughed when I saw it, but... not everyone gets irony.
[15:09:35] <fyngyrz> My general impression, in fact, is that _many_ people don't get irony.
[15:11:25] <fyngyrz> So, about using github this way... now that the cchange is merged, should I toss the fork in my account? It'll just get out of date with the main repo, so there's no reason to keep it - or am I missing something?
[16:22:17] <fyngyrz> s/cchange/change/
[16:22:19] <exec> <fyngyrz> So, about using github this way... now that the change is merged, should I toss the fork in my account? It'll just get out of date with the main repo, so there's no reason to keep it - or am I missing something?
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[21:31:31] -!- mode/#editorial [+v mrpg] by Hephaestus
[21:32:25] <mrpg> I saw just one story in the kue and came to run something.
[21:32:39] <mrpg> qu
[21:33:47] <mrpg> I'll do "ibm tiny computer not a raspberry pi"
[21:36:33] <mrpg> wow it's interesting this story. a computer the size of a grain of salt.
[21:38:20] <mrpg> submission ready
[21:38:51] <mrpg> I'll do spaceX vs ULA
[21:39:03] <mrpg> I cheer for subzero
[21:39:34] <mrpg> My god so many links! I'd like a rise s'il vous plaît.
[21:45:18] <mrpg> ready.
[21:46:01] <mrpg> I'll do "china will ban people..."
[21:51:17] <mrpg> china - ready
[21:56:20] <mrpg> now let's see "potential for autotherapy"
[22:01:00] <mrpg> ready.
[22:06:42] <mrpg> That's all for me for today.
[22:19:58] <Bytram> cmn32480: you can strike "bytram|away" from the ~eds list
[22:21:35] <Bytram> cmn32480: and pls add me to ~devs
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[23:02:24] <Bytram> #submit http://www.media.uzh.ch AND http://dx.doi.org
[23:02:25] <MrPlow> Unable to find a title for that page
[23:02:32] <exec> └─ 13UZH -
[23:02:40] <Bytram> ~submit http://www.media.uzh.ch
[23:02:43] <exec> error: description meta content not found or empty
[23:02:43] <exec> └─ 13UZH -
[23:07:55] <chromas> Title's got (unnecessary) newlines. exec needs an update
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