#editorial | Logs for 2018-03-04

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[01:42:46] <Bytram> oh noes!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.theguardian.com
[01:42:47] <upstart> ^ 03Yes, bacon really is killing us | News | The Guardian
[01:42:49] <exec> └─ 13Yes, bacon really is killing us | News | The Guardian
[01:43:25] <Bytram> ~arthur 8c4895
[01:43:30] <exec> 870 stories loaded
[01:43:30] <exec> attempting to submit story: "The risk of nitrites and nitrates in bacon"
[01:44:01] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[01:44:07] <exec> 870 stories loaded
[02:44:29] <Bytram> janrinok: Fnord666: thanks for filling the story queue!!
[02:44:59] * Bytram scrolls down
[02:45:02] <Bytram> hey!
[02:45:21] <Bytram> CoolHand: mrpg; thanks for pushing out stories, too!
[02:45:33] * Bytram heads off to bed
[02:45:39] <Bytram> have a great night everyone!
[07:26:44] -!- janrinok [janrinok!~janrinok@Soylent/Staff/Editor/janrinok] has joined #editorial
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[15:34:11] * Bytram just notices the new poll
[15:35:30] <janrinok> the font one? Not sure where that came from, and I don't think very much of it, tbh
[15:35:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:36:15] * Bytram suspects some of those might be proportional fonts... shudder
[15:36:24] <janrinok> they are - see the comments
[15:36:25] * Bytram prefers Lucida Console
[15:37:17] <janrinok> mine is just 'Monospace'
[15:37:26] <Bytram> looks like chromas posted the poll?
[15:37:35] <janrinok> could be - dunno
[15:37:52] <janrinok> he never mentioned it...
[15:37:52] <Bytram> well, it is according to TMB: https://soylentnews.org
[15:37:53] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Best programming font? ( https://soylentnews.org )
[15:37:56] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Best programming font?
[15:38:50] <janrinok> well, it's not the end of the world but probably best he seeks advice before going off on tangents
[15:39:32] <Bytram> or, to carry a math analogy to its opposite: on normals
[15:39:37] <janrinok> brb nurse
[15:42:28] <Bytram> k
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[15:51:38] <janrinok> ~gday fyngyrz
[15:51:40] * exec metrosexually irritates a hammerfs volume of red beans & cabbage with fyngyrz
[15:54:42] <Bytram> ~day fyngyrz
[15:55:18] <Bytram> ~gday Fnord666
[15:55:20] * exec implicitly writes a fanfic featuring a FAT16 volume of doughnuts about Fnord666
[15:55:25] <Bytram> ~gday fyngyrz
[15:55:27] * exec cromulently hallucinates a tinfoil hat of source code with fyngyrz
[15:56:03] <janrinok> almost time for be to go and start preparing our evening meal
[15:56:09] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:56:10] <janrinok> * for me
[15:56:16] <Bytram> enjoyed chatting with ya!
[15:56:24] <Bytram> give my best to S!
[15:56:31] <janrinok> likewise, and I will
[15:56:57] * Bytram seriously considers making a bite to eat and laying down for a nap
[15:56:59] <janrinok> S says thank you, and sends her best wishes to you too
[15:57:08] <Bytram> awww, shucks! =)
[15:57:18] <janrinok> now don't go getting all coy on me
[15:57:40] * Bytram bats eyelids
[15:57:59] <Bytram> reminds me, it's well past time for me to catch up on my dusting!
[15:58:05] <Bytram> =)
[15:58:08] <Bytram> laters!
[15:59:20] <janrinok> laters!
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[19:07:48] <janrinok> Fnord666, your Animal Abuse Legislation has no link to the source material - I get a graphic for AP News but nothing that takes me to the story I've delayed it and moved another story in its place
[19:24:51] <Bytram> http://hosted.ap.org
[19:24:53] <exec> └─ 13News From The Associated Press | jacksonsun.com |
[19:24:54] <upstart> ^ 03News From The Associated Press | jacksonsun.com |
[19:29:15] <Bytram> janrinok: I had no trouble getting to the story from the provided first link.
[19:29:26] <janrinok> Bytram, thanks, I've also added handful of additional links
[19:29:35] <Bytram> ahhh, those were yours?
[19:29:41] * Bytram had just started looking at it
[19:29:53] <janrinok> All I got was a map of the US asking me to select which state I wanted the news reporting for ...
[19:30:00] <Bytram> oops
[19:30:45] * Bytram just looked at the original submission and the first link in it worked for me, too.
[19:31:09] <Bytram> link was: http://hosted.ap.org
[19:31:09] <upstart> ^ 03independentmail.com: AP News
[19:31:11] <exec> └─ 13independentmail.com: AP News
[19:31:35] <janrinok> well the link in the original story was not the same as the one that you gave me - I have corrected it
[19:32:18] <janrinok> The data after the '?' was missing in the story that was there originally, which resulted in me getting the AP page I gues
[19:32:22] <Bytram> what I did was, after seeing your msg in here, was grab a sentence that seemed selective and did a search for it... got a bunch of hits so
[19:32:24] <janrinok> !guess
[19:32:32] <janrinok> so did I
[19:32:49] <janrinok> that's why there are now 4 extra links
[19:32:59] <Bytram> I added another sentence, and still got a bunch of hits... that forced me to take another look at the original sub
[19:33:02] <Bytram> lol
[19:33:03] <Bytram> =)
[19:33:13] <janrinok> fixed now and set to Display
[19:33:23] <Bytram> janrinok++
[19:33:23] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 54
[19:33:32] <janrinok> Bytram++
[19:33:32] <Bender> karma - bytram: 59
[19:33:47] <janrinok> teamwork++
[19:33:47] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 160
[19:34:21] <Bytram> gutenberg
[19:39:14] <janrinok> I've made great progress with Arthur this weekend - it is functioning much better now and I'm just working on the automatic submission routine. It will still human intervention but much less than before, and the submission is much easier to process.
[19:39:31] <janrinok> *still need human
[19:39:56] * Bytram still needs humans, too.
[19:40:42] <janrinok> yes, but I can't eat a full one nowadays. My appetite is not what it once was ...
[19:40:56] <Bytram> "long pig"
[19:43:22] <Bytram> not sure if I handlded the gutenberg story well... trying to separate the 'reporting' from the 'opinion' --- should we keep the opinion? I think it was submitted well, and would like to keep it.
[19:43:30] * Bytram clicks save
[19:44:13] <janrinok> as long as it is clear that it is opinion and if you think it adds value to the story, then that is an editorial choice
[19:45:33] <Bytram> understood. I am open to other viewpoints on this and wonder what you would have done.
[19:45:43] <janrinok> should the quoted bit be in <blockquote> which would make that part easily identifiable. Then leaving FB's own words outside the blockquote indicate it is original material
[19:46:18] <Bytram> thought of that, but the reporting, as far as I could tell, was a summary of the referenced material... not a direct quote.
[19:47:47] <janrinok> I'd need to give that one more thought if you are asking how I would do it - I might even had considered a rewrite.
[19:47:56] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:47:57] <Bytram> thanks!
[19:48:35] <janrinok> FB makes valid points which are important, but as it reads at the moment it is a bit confusing (to me). The layout needs tidying up which would also help
[19:48:51] <Bytram> hrrm
[19:48:51] <Bytram> k
[19:49:01] * Bytram goes back in for a 2nd look
[19:50:01] <janrinok> Looking at the source, it is not an easy one to write so I can see why FB has done it the way he has. I would rewrite it as a discussion, explaining what has occurred and making very few, if any, direct quotations.
[19:52:26] <janrinok> The first part, when looked at in that context, is OK apart from minor layout issues. I wouldn't bother with the <opinion> tags, as the whole thing is 'opinion' or his version of events. I would rewrite the extended text to open up the discussion on the implications of what has happened
[19:52:37] <janrinok> Bytram ^^ ping
[19:52:42] <Bytram> pong
[19:53:00] <janrinok> wasn't sure if you were away rewriting everything again :0
[19:53:12] <Bytram> apprecaite it
[19:54:02] <Bytram> though I understand your distinction on "opinion" tags, I think it serves a valuable purpose separating what he is attempting to portray as a summary of *what* happened, separate and distinct about what he *thinks* about it.
[19:54:21] <janrinok> Issues such as why should a US organisation be subject to German laws - I find it amazing that a US judge has come down that way
[19:55:03] <Bytram> good point
[19:55:10] <janrinok> that is similar to one of the main reasons why the UK wants out of Europe. We are being controlled by laws that we don't agree with
[19:55:41] <janrinok> would the US consider itself bound, for example, by Saudi or Iranian law?
[19:56:25] <Bytram> no, but would prolly not mind imposing us law on them... :/ see, for example, microsoft vs us wrt irish emails (IIRC)
[19:57:03] <janrinok> yep, exactly. This is a major issue and worth discussing - but the implications are far-reaching
[19:57:25] <Bytram> looking for a selection I can blockquote in the front part
[19:57:31] <Bytram> real close now
[19:57:35] <janrinok> there is no law of the internet - and no one country should be able to dictate such a thing
[19:58:10] <janrinok> I've got to go - S is waiting to go to sleep. Have a good one and hopefully will speak to you tomorrow
[19:58:28] <Bytram> agreed
[19:58:35] <Bytram> good to see ya --- have a GREAT night!
[19:58:43] <janrinok> and you pal
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[20:15:08] * Bytram added a blockquote of what I think is relevant text from the linked article, as well as an [Ed note] of some of the impact of the proceedings... JR has offered feedback, would appreciate another set of eyes on it. https://soylentnews.org
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[22:35:45] <takyon> we have new eds right?
[22:35:51] <takyon> time to update: https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[22:35:54] <exec> └─ 13WhosWho - SoylentNews
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[22:36:28] <takyon> speak of the devil
[22:37:10] <chromas> Well, I meant to mention the poll
[22:37:12] * chromas stands by for a flogging
[23:09:02] * Bytram gives chromas a flagging instead... and 2 minutes in the penalty box.
[23:09:33] * Bytram heads to his kitchen to prepare a bite to eat
[23:41:28] <Bytram> whereto? http://go.theregister.com
[23:41:31] <exec> └─ 13Mayors of America demand net neutrality protections… again • The Register
[23:41:58] <Bytram> chromas: looks like upstart is awol?
[23:42:24] <chromas> oh yeah. rebooted the box earlier
[23:42:28] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:42:52] <Bytram> it has proved to be a tremendously useful tool.
[23:43:16] <chromas> I should just add redirect urls to exec since he's around more
[23:43:42] <exec> Yes, make me the Bot King!
[23:43:48] <Bytram> whatever works for you!
[23:43:51] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[23:43:53] <exec> └─ 13The Falcon 9 rocket may reach 50 launches on Tuesday | Ars Technica
[23:44:02] -!- upstart [upstart!~dbot@Soylent/Staff/Editor/chromas] has joined #editorial
[23:44:15] <Bytram> whereto? http://go.theregister.com
[23:44:16] <upstart> ^ 03Mayors of America demand net neutrality protections… again • The Register ( https://www.theregister.co.uk )
[23:44:18] <exec> └─ 13Mayors of America demand net neutrality protections… again • The Register
[23:47:53] <takyon> is 50 launches worth a story?
[23:48:41] <Bytram> I dunno. Just saw it in #rss-bot and went to see what was up.
[23:49:00] <Bytram> not terribly important, but an important milestone
[23:49:35] <Bytram> story has a nice history of other platforms launch cadence progress