#editorial | Logs for 2018-02-28

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[23:26:59] <mrpg> bytram: I set a release date with seconds, it ignores it. When I try to edit it again it says 00 seconds.
[23:11:28] * chromas checks in, but he doesn't check out
[22:05:24] <mrpg> Enough. Now I'm going to play with PDO for 5 minutes.
[22:05:01] <mrpg> spotify - ready
[22:02:48] <mrpg> lets do Spotify Files for IPO After Losing $1.5 Billion in 2017
[22:02:20] <mrpg> I copy-paste and get these tabs.
[22:02:08] <mrpg> String right-wing Views May Be Driven by a Fear of Disease - ready
[21:46:46] <mrpg> Luckily is a local server. When I've had to work remotely that is a paaaaiiinnnnnn to wait to download, upload, reload, grrr
[21:46:07] <mrpg> Run, break, fix, breaks again, fix, breaks, read the logs, fix, works.
[21:45:49] <mrpg> I've been changing some PHP I wrote years ago, from mysql__ to PDO. It's been half fun.
[21:44:42] <exec> <mrpg> hello world
[21:44:40] <mrpg> s/w/world/
[21:44:35] <mrpg> hello w
[21:24:21] <MrPlow> [2018-02-28 19:03:02] #editorial <fyngyrz> k, moving to channel
[21:24:21] <mrpg> #seen fyngyrz
[21:22:33] <mrpg> mrpg:
[21:22:23] <MrPlow> [2018-02-28 19:33:22] #soylent <Bytram> huh?
[21:22:23] <mrpg> #seen bytram
[21:21:58] <MrPlow> [2018-02-28 21:21:48] #editorial <mrpg> #seen soyvaca
[21:21:58] <mrpg> #seen mrpg
[21:21:48] <MrPlow> Sorry, I have not seen soyvaca
[21:21:48] <mrpg> #seen soyvaca
[21:21:37] <MrPlow> #seen <nick>
[21:21:37] <mrpg> #seen
[21:21:20] <mrpg> #dieinafire exec
[21:21:07] <mrpg> #dieinafire
[21:20:58] <MrPlow> HA HA!
[21:20:58] <mrpg> #nelson
[21:20:42] <MrPlow> pass 1: 1
[21:20:42] <mrpg> #roll 1d5
[21:20:25] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[21:20:25] <mrpg> #roll
[21:20:22] <mrpg> You kiddig me?
[21:20:14] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[21:20:14] <mrpg> #roll
[21:20:10] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[21:20:10] <mrpg> #roll
[21:20:07] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[21:20:07] <mrpg> #roll
[21:19:59] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[21:19:58] <mrpg> #roll
[21:19:41] <MrPlow> Commands: help, weatheradd, weather, submit, seen, smake, smakeadd, youtube, abuser, bot, admin, socialist, roll, bnk, join, part, tell, klingon, g, sammich, sammichadd, say, pissoff, dieinafire, quit, nelson
[21:19:41] <mrpg> #help
[21:19:28] <mrpg> !
[21:19:19] <mrpg> #
[21:18:20] <mrpg> I'll do this, if you dont like it, nuke it from orbit :)
[21:18:08] <mrpg> String right-wing views may be driven by a fear of disease. - hahahaha
[21:16:14] <mrpg> run
[21:16:14] <mrpg> ready
[21:16:11] <mrpg> load"*",8,1
[21:16:03] <mrpg> Widespread Vulnerability Found in Single-Sign-on Products - READY
[21:12:02] <upstart> ^ 03Llueve sobre mojado Fito Paez y Joaquin Sabina - YouTube
[21:12:01] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com - "16 Oct 2010 ... Para los que conocen la buena musica y para los que la quieren conocer."
[21:12:00] <mrpg> #g llueve sobre mojado
[21:11:53] <mrpg> This stuff is like raining over a wet floor. Is that an expression in English? it is in Spanish;:
[21:11:30] <mrpg> I'll do this: Widespread Vulnerability Found in Single-Sign-on Products
[21:10:57] <mrpg> But remember, #freearistarchus!!!
[21:10:43] <mrpg> Nice, but I'll pass.
[21:09:57] <mrpg> I think I'll do this: Stereotypes About College Students And Free Speech Are False
[21:09:31] <mrpg> hm... I'll pass.
[21:09:06] <mrpg> Barbra streisand cloned her dog...
[21:07:08] <mrpg> North Korea Accused of Providing Materials to Syria Chemical Weapons Factories - ready
[20:59:01] <mrpg> ready no wI'll check NK accused of something
[20:54:54] <mrpg> I'll change it to march 1
[20:54:46] <mrpg> Found it: posted by mrpg on Wed December 31, 08:00 PM
[20:51:19] <mrpg> I broke the web site.
[20:49:49] <mrpg> ether
[20:49:47] <mrpg> My story. I set the date to feb 29. It dissapeared into the ehter.
[20:35:49] <upstart> ^ 03Tajada - Wikipedia
[20:35:49] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Tajada \"slices\" is a dish of fried plantains that are sliced long. It is a typical food of Caribbean countries including Nicaragua, Colombia, Honduras, Panama, and Venezuela. It is sometimes served with grated cheese. See also[edit]. Aborrajado · Patacón. References[edit]. Jump up ^ Tajada About.com. Stub icon ..."
[20:35:48] <mrpg> #g tajadas
[20:35:46] <mrpg> But first, tajadas!
[20:35:35] <mrpg> Ok, I'll do this: More than 100 cities across the globe are now mostly powered by renewable
[20:25:29] <mrpg> But first, ground meat and rice!
[20:24:31] <mrpg> 2 stories in the queue, dont worry, I'm on it.
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[20:23:53] -!- mrpg [mrpg!~m@Soylent/Staff/Editor/mrpg] has joined #editorial
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[19:35:02] <janrinok> gtg - see you guys
[19:33:59] * exec faithfully merges some cream of filthy lucre with CH
[19:33:57] <janrinok> ~gday CH
[19:12:03] INLinuxdude is now known as CoolHand
[19:11:10] -!- mode/#editorial [+v INLinuxdude] by Hephaestus
[19:11:10] -!- INLinuxdude [INLinuxdude!~CoolHand@Soylent/Staff/Editor/CoolHand] has joined #editorial
[19:03:02] <fyngyrz> k, moving to channel
[19:02:52] <fyngyrz> okay, I've finished a first pass now. Fixed the byline, a couple of typos, checked the links. Comments?
[19:00:16] <janrinok> and I can see you are working on the Third Party Web Content. If you want to do a quick hour now we should join the #edtrain channel
[18:59:26] <janrinok> Normally we edit it before we Save it. But you should now see the story you saved on the story queue page?
[18:58:35] <janrinok> It is best to leave the actually editing of a submission until I can talk you through it, or if you want you can try to follow the editing notes
[18:58:23] <fyngyrz> okay. So it's saved /a ccepted. I will now edit it, which it needs. :)
[18:57:26] <janrinok> and it sometimes changes depending on how you get to a specific screen - this is cutting edge 1990's stuff here
[18:56:54] <fyngyrz> gotcha. Terminology vs. UI
[18:56:34] <janrinok> you have to give it a Topic if it hasn't already got one, we normally do other things too but don't worry about them yet. 'Save' is it - it puts it into the story queue
[18:56:27] <fyngyrz> is that what you mean by accept? Save, that is?
[18:56:12] <fyngyrz> There's a save, but no "accept"
[18:55:30] <fyngyrz> (MEP)
[18:55:28] <janrinok> At the bottom of the page you have the option to accept the story once you have filled in the essential fields. Until that point you only have a review option
[18:55:25] <fyngyrz> okay, in preview now
[18:54:49] <fyngyrz> right, I am there
[18:54:39] <fyngyrz> (BEP)
[18:54:24] <janrinok> when you go to the submission page click on the submission title. That will open you up in a very rudimentary editing window
[18:54:20] <fyngyrz> I believe this is the quick editor
[18:54:02] <fyngyrz> Looking at the submission preview page - that was the first landing point
[18:53:26] <fyngyrz> there's a preview, and an update
[18:53:17] <fyngyrz> so, when you say "accept" the story... there's no accept on the page you go to when you select the story from the queue
[18:52:51] <janrinok> I'll look at my next few days and see if I can work out a convenient time for us to get together on dev.
[18:51:47] <janrinok> *Take it
[18:51:25] <janrinok> Ah, OK, I think I see what you are getting at. Take is as hearing the British accent. I might live in France but I am a Brit
[18:51:16] <fyngyrz> TLDR: I am *deeply* invested in US English, I edit UK English _out_ all day, every day. I'm not good with it. So best I avoid it.
[18:50:27] <fyngyrz> comments above
[18:49:48] <janrinok> as we get subs from all over the English speaking world we have to change dictionaries fairly frequently
[18:48:50] <janrinok> not sure what you mean by the UK thing. The language in use depends entirely on the source material. As we aim to never change quoted material then there is no point in going through it making spelling corrections - in fact you mustn't do that.
[18:48:00] <fyngyrz> okay. This afternoon, if the creek doesn't get in the basement
[18:47:20] <fyngyrz> typos, sigh
[18:47:16] <janrinok> log onto dev when I best suits you. pick a submission, and just accept it as is. Transfer it to the stories queue, and then start playing with the colours
[18:47:14] <fyngyrz> crap
[18:47:10] <fyngyrz> [watches +Bytam dance]
[18:47:05] <Bytram> biab dishes
[18:46:58] <Bytram> irrationalexuberance
[18:46:40] <Bender> karma - unjustifiedoptimism: 1
[18:46:40] <fyngyrz> unjustifiedoptimism++
[18:46:28] <Bender> karma - optimism: 1
[18:46:28] <Bytram> optimism++
[18:46:27] <fyngyrz> The only policy that set me back was the UK thing, but like I said, best if I don't even try.
[18:46:15] <janrinok> well, you've passed then. You can start tomorrow! :)
[18:45:41] <fyngyrz> Makes perfect sense to me; I own a literary agency, I edit all day, plus I write manuals. Yes, I think I understood everything pretty well.
[18:45:20] <janrinok> so did I, but did you understand them?
[18:45:07] <Bytram> hmmm
[18:45:06] <fyngyrz> I read them. All of them.
[18:44:57] <fyngyrz> well, I'll be around pretty much no matter what, and you can always ping my email
[18:44:47] <janrinok> well, I know you have been given a few pages to read, but until you actually start editing on dev it probably won't make much sense
[18:44:40] <Bytram> otoh, I am on vacation nexrt week
[18:44:32] <Bytram> I have today & tomorrow off from work, but I have procrastinated on a bunch of thjings on the home front for to long and really need to get caught up on things
[18:44:09] <fyngyrz> what does training involve, other than not being a dick?
[18:44:06] <janrinok> I don't see that being a problem.
[18:43:46] <Bytram> here's the thing, I do not use the takyon addon... i am just a plain vanilla kind of guy...
[18:43:33] <fyngyrz> at noon, I tend to vanish for a while, where "while" is a random variable influenced by the approach of the ghost planet, ChicksDigIt
[18:43:15] <janrinok> Bytram, have you any slack in your day for training, or are you maxed out at the moment?
[18:42:59] <fyngyrz> k. Well, i't s 11:42 AM here
[18:42:58] <Bytram> at leawt when it comes to times and peoples
[18:42:48] <Bytram> delta's are easier to work with than absolutes
[18:42:29] <Bytram> =)
[18:42:25] <fyngyrz> oh, I see
[18:42:19] <fyngyrz> 5 hours
[18:42:18] <janrinok> no, we always blame Bytram
[18:42:12] <Bytram> fyngyrz: so, how long ago was 6am for you?
[18:42:08] <fyngyrz> not what I thought
[18:42:04] <janrinok> you are catching on quick!
[18:42:03] <fyngyrz> huh
[18:41:56] * exec points at Bytram
[18:41:54] <fyngyrz> ~blame
[18:41:32] <fyngyrz> Morning is generally 6am onwards
[18:41:29] <janrinok> I think that is -7 not + 7, unless you are talking about the Himalayas
[18:41:19] <fyngyrz> I work from home; commute involves passing cats without spilling coffee
[18:40:40] <janrinok> between 1700 and 1900'ish local time I have to cook the evening meal, and make sure my wife is fed etc. From about now for about 1.5 hours is good for me. When you say mornings do you mean when you get to work, difficult to guess if you are part retired
[18:40:26] <fyngyrz> man, I would love to get my macro language into a bot here. :)
[18:40:06] <fyngyrz> [despises DST]
[18:39:32] <fyngyrz> atm
[18:39:23] <fyngyrz> so +7
[18:39:12] <fyngyrz> it's 11:38 AM / and 18:39 UTC atm
[18:39:09] <Bytram> (so it will change in about 11 days or so)
[18:38:55] <exec> Wednesday, 28 February 2018 @ 7:38 pm CET - Central European Time
[18:38:53] <janrinok> ~time CET
[18:38:40] <fyngyrz> I think we're about +6, depending on DST
[18:38:24] <fyngyrz> I'm sort of retired, but not really. I own several businesses, and have not managed to extricate myself from any of them.
[18:38:20] <exec> Wednesday, 28 February 2018 @ 11:38 am MT - Mountain Time
[18:38:18] <Bytram> ~time MST
[18:38:07] <janrinok> you say you are on Mountain time, what is that relative to UTC?
[18:37:37] <fyngyrz> sure
[18:37:27] <janrinok> I'm on UTC+1 but being retired means I can schedule stuff for most times during the day, although I have personal commitments as I have to look after my wife.
[18:37:26] <fyngyrz> I'm generally less committed in the mornings, while the people who work for me are still trying to absorb their caffeine and my own projects have not entrained all my wits
[18:36:19] <janrinok> What times are good for you for training? A specific time of the day, or weekends only, or what?
[18:35:53] <janrinok> lol!
[18:35:42] <fyngyrz> I have oodles of source... tends to keep some weight on the brake pedal
[18:35:10] <janrinok> I was putting it off, and now wish I had made the change a long time ago
[18:34:52] <fyngyrz> Haven't found a reason to go 3, myself. Probably will at some point.
[18:34:27] <janrinok> so I noted on the backread. Python3 nowadays, don't use Python2 unless it is something that I wrote long time ago but have to update
[18:33:33] <fyngyrz> You're welcome to your spaces. You can have mine, I don't use 'em. :)
[18:32:47] <janrinok> well I have 8 computers with a total of 10 screens, and that is not counting the RaspPis. I am also a Python man - spaces for the win!
[18:31:54] <fyngyrz> Juggling a few balls here, but that's why I have multiple monitors :)
[18:31:12] <Bytram> janrinok: front and center, of course!
[18:31:08] <fyngyrz> I am, and hello to you as well
[18:30:42] <janrinok> fyngyrz, hello to you if you are still here
[18:30:28] <janrinok> I'm back!
[18:19:38] * exec points at Bytram
[18:19:36] <Bytram> ~blame
[18:19:31] <Bytram> heh
[18:19:28] <Bytram> .
[18:19:15] <exec> http://chromas.0x.no
[18:19:15] <exec> 03<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en" xml:lang="en"> <head> <title>Object not found!</title> <link rev="made" href="mailto:you@example.com" /> <style type="text/css"><![CDATA[/*><!--*/ body { color: #000000; background-color: #FFFFFF; } a:link { color: #0000CC; } p,
[18:19:14] <Bytram> ~last poutine
[18:19:05] <exec> Bytram, poutine not seen in #editorial
[18:19:03] <Bytram> ~seen poutine
[18:18:59] <fyngyrz> right, thanks
[18:18:48] <exec> <Bytram> <fyngyrz> (s)he
[18:18:46] <Bytram> fyngyrz: s/^./(/
[18:18:22] <Bytram> take another look in the channel
[18:18:18] <fyngyrz> {s)he
[18:18:08] <fyngyrz> if he's gone, perhaps it's time to delete the nick and zero the karma :)
[18:17:43] <fyngyrz> ah
[18:17:26] <Bytram> it's not for the 'delicacy'; it's for the troll who used to frequent that channel and used that as his nick]
[18:16:14] <fyngyrz> why the hate for poutine? (lives near Canada)
[18:15:10] <Bytram> =)
[18:15:06] <Bender> karma - tea: 31
[18:15:06] <Bytram> coffee--
[18:15:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 84
[18:15:01] <Bytram> coffee++
[18:14:58] <Bender> karma - poutine: -1
[18:14:58] <Bytram> poutine--
[18:14:52] <Bytram> when you have a chance, try these in the #Soylent channel:
[18:13:33] <Bytram> brb
[18:13:25] <Bytram> is there a wrong o?
[18:13:09] * Bytram is *approaching* old, but is not yet ready to give in
[18:13:09] <exec> <fyngyrz> right-o
[18:13:08] <fyngyrz> s/right/right-o/
[18:12:50] <fyngyrz> right
[18:12:47] <Bytram> ;)
[18:12:42] <Bytram> huh?
[18:12:30] <fyngyrz> plus, old. That whole forgetful thing is coming along nicely.
[18:12:08] <fyngyrz> I'm That Guy
[18:12:04] <Bender> karma - (foo): 1
[18:12:04] <Bytram> (foo)++
[18:11:58] <fyngyrz> nice
[18:11:45] <Bytram> "Tell me and I will forget. Show me and I may remember. Involve me and I will understand."
[18:11:36] <fyngyrz> No pre-increment? Philistines...
[18:11:26] <fyngyrz> No pre-incement? Philistines...
[18:11:25] <Bytram> long ago came upon a saying that goes something like this:
[18:11:03] <fyngyrz> I see how you are
[18:10:54] <Bender> karma - fyngyrz: 1
[18:10:54] <Bytram> fyngyrz++
[18:10:50] <fyngyrz> IT reminds me of Monty Python, which is a good thing when funny, but not when it's supposed to be serious, which is mostly
[18:10:50] <Bytram> just as an example
[18:10:40] <Bytram> easy come...
[18:10:32] <Bender> karma - fyngyrz: 0
[18:10:32] <Bytram> fyngyrz--
[18:10:23] <fyngyrz> yay, I got Karma
[18:10:22] <Bytram> all us-english would be fine for me, but I kinda like the occasional spot of "Briticism"
[18:09:40] <fyngyrz> lol
[18:09:31] <Bytram> =)
[18:09:28] <Bender> karma - fyngyrz: 1
[18:09:28] <Bytram> fyngyrz++
[18:09:23] <fyngyrz> hence I brought it up
[18:09:16] <fyngyrz> oh, I'm not interested in making waves. I'm interested in fitting in where I reasonably can
[18:08:49] <Bytram> well, the site IS for the community, and that is what was agreed to when we got started... it is certainly open to being revisited. the one to talk to would be our EiC: janrinok
[18:08:16] <fyngyrz> I spend hours every day digging that stuff out of manuscripts.
[18:07:58] <fyngyrz> anyway. Still. Best if I don't even try. Don't want my head to 'splode
[18:07:20] <fyngyrz> US English collects a very large audience. The UK itself is quite small, but UK English... isn't.
[18:06:48] <fyngyrz> Arguments can be made for one or the other. UK English is in extremely broad use, country-wise; but it puts off US readers (I own a literary agency... we've dug into this quite deeply.)
[18:05:53] <fyngyrz> Sure you can. The decision's been made to not do so - not the same thing.
[18:05:28] <Bytram> international audience, international source... can't rely favour one over the other
[18:03:39] <fyngyrz> It's very... interesting... that the site encourages release level TFS' in both forms.
[18:00:55] <fyngyrz> it's probably best if I simply don't edit UK English
[17:57:05] <exec> <Bytram> long time no see, but "n1" aka "nick" hailed from there, and janrinok is also from across the pond, so quite skilled therewith. for me, I have no problems with it after having had sufficient exposure.
[17:57:03] <Bytram> s/akak/aka/
[17:56:52] <Bytram> long time no see, but "n1" akak "nick" hailed from there, and janrinok is also from across the pond, so quite skilled therewith. for me, I have no problems with it after having had sufficient exposure.
[17:55:43] <fyngyrz> WRT UK English, they mutate from "skills" to "formalized abuse"
[17:55:17] <fyngyrz> My skills are definitely limited to American English
[17:54:50] <fyngyrz> Reading the editor's guide stuff... UK English gives me the colllywobbles. I wonder, do we have UK editors, folks who are competent / willing to do UK editing? Me, I see "colour", I get tunnel vision.
[17:37:10] <fyngyrz> l8r
[17:37:05] <Bytram> biab
[17:37:03] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:36:48] <Bytram> "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
[17:36:37] <fyngyrz> but yeah
[17:36:35] <fyngyrz> I wasn't quoting so much as rephrasing
[17:36:22] <Bytram> hmm, looks like I had it wrong, too.
[17:36:11] <upstart> ^ 03Self-Reliance - Wikipedia
[17:36:10] * TheMightyBuzzard goes back to trying to convince his kernel that his network card does in fact support 1000baseTx-FD
[17:36:09] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "It contains the most thorough statement of one of Emerson's recurrent themes: the need for each individual to avoid conformity and false consistency, and follow their own instincts and ideas. It is the source of one of Emerson's most famous quotations: \"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little ..."
[17:36:08] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 14
[17:36:08] <Bytram> #g a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of simple minds emerson
[17:36:08] <fyngyrz> TheMightyBuzzard++
[17:35:55] <Bytram> IIRC
[17:35:41] <Bytram> a *foolish* consistency is the hobgoblin of simple minds. --emerson
[17:35:24] <Bytram> nope
[17:35:21] <fyngyrz> later
[17:35:17] <fyngyrz> consistency is only the hallmark of small minds when you _have_ a small mind
[17:35:16] <Bytram> will be back in a bit
[17:35:12] * Bytram is also hungry... time to get some grub together.
[17:35:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly. spaces are for in between shat. tabs are for layout.
[17:34:57] * Bytram chuckles
[17:34:50] <fyngyrz> and 4/tab, too
[17:34:41] <fyngyrz> Iand 4/tab, too
[17:34:40] <exec> <Bytram> <fyngyrz> and it's _definitely_ spaces
[17:34:38] <Bytram> fyngyrz: s/tab/space/
[17:34:27] <fyngyrz> and it's _definitely_ tabs
[17:34:25] * Bytram restrains temptation to .kick fyngyrz
[17:34:08] <Bytram> heh
[17:34:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha!
[17:33:50] <fyngyrz> There's no war here. I'm the boss. It's done the way I say. IOW, "I win."
[17:33:27] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 13
[17:33:27] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[17:33:21] <Bytram> if they just used curly braces I'd have been all over it from the start!
[17:33:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> it only exacerbates the whole spaces vs tabs war
[17:32:53] <fyngyrz> guilty as charged
[17:32:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[17:32:35] <Bytram> zrygnyf
[17:32:32] <fyngyrz> "White space fascists"
[17:31:56] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:31:51] <Bytram> there is nobody with "z", though.
[17:31:40] <fyngyrz> You know what the most recent thing I did in that project was? Creating a clean way to invoke Python... from Perl. :)
[17:31:10] <Bytram> ugh... f<tab> is gonna get poor Fnord666 all beat up
[17:30:52] <fyngyrz> doesn't matter
[17:30:49] <fyngyrz> lol
[17:30:44] <Bytram> Fnord666: I warned ya!!
[17:30:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> python is for fascists
[17:30:37] <fyngyrz> integrated web client, too. Man I do not miss that job
[17:30:34] * MrPlow smakes fyngyrz upside the head with a loaded diaper
[17:30:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake fyngyrz
[17:30:33] <Bytram> how long ago was that?
[17:30:00] <Bytram> zoinks... that would definitely do it!
[17:29:40] <fyngyrz> $andothers
[17:29:34] <Bytram> some_vars_are_like_this andThenThereAreOthers
[17:29:32] <fyngyrz> I built a pretty comprehensive custom system in perl - point of sale, stock DB / management / predictive order generation, invoicing, sales clients, all that crap... it's about a helf million lines of perl code. This is how I learned ot despise perl. :)
[17:28:32] <Bytram> also, it suffers from having had a few different hands in the pot who had their own coding styles / naming conventions / whatever will make it work at oh-three-thrity-am
[17:27:44] <Bytram> that's for sure
[17:27:36] <fyngyrz> I see. Well, probably rules out a rewrite, or at least, a non-trivial one
[17:27:19] <Bytram> is highly configurable
[17:27:09] <Bytram> I don't have a local copy, but it is much more extensive than I imagined when last I took a look, based only on what I had previously known from many years on /.
[17:26:28] <fyngyrz> how big is the source corpus?
[17:26:25] <exec> <Bytram> well, it's what SN was programmed in, so we are stuck with it.
[17:26:23] <Bytram> s/the //
[17:26:15] <Bytram> well, it's what the SN was programmed in, so we are stuck with it.
[17:26:05] <fyngyrz> Python
[17:25:53] <Bytram> I liked the capabilities, but disliked the line-noise incantations and the so-many-different ways to do the same thing, I much prefer a consistent syntax/semantics organization at a high enough meta level
[17:25:42] <fyngyrz> I'm happy if he's happy with it. Me, I have other favorites
[17:25:02] <exec> <fyngyrz> I ain't afeered
[17:25:00] <fyngyrz> s/t'/'t/
[17:24:39] <fyngyrz> I aint' afeered
[17:24:28] <fyngyrz> a horrible language
[17:24:24] <Bytram> don't tell TheMightyBuzzard
[17:24:21] <fyngyrz> hated it
[17:24:17] <fyngyrz> yep
[17:24:14] <Bytram> ever do any perl programming?
[17:23:43] <Bytram> clicky
[17:23:32] <Bytram> as in layout / organization or as in text processing / analysis
[17:23:30] <upstart> ^ 03aa_macro syntax / display
[17:23:29] <fyngyrz> http://ourtimelines.com
[17:23:05] <fyngyrz> One of my projects is a pretty serious text processing language
[17:23:04] <Bytram> that could be fun
[17:22:34] <Bytram> *opening
[17:22:32] <fyngyrz> If I get a few, perhaps I'll integrate my macro language here
[17:22:30] <Bytram> and an antidote if you recognize an opeing
[17:22:11] <Bytram> nograb
[17:22:05] <Bytram> you have been given fair warning =)
[17:21:52] <fyngyrz> cool
[17:21:41] <Bender> Quote 72 - <cmn32480> I dumped 1 just to give a breathign room
[17:21:41] <Bytram> !quote 72
[17:21:23] <Bender> Quote 73 - <fyngyrz> oh no, I'm going to waste way too much time with that, lol
[17:21:23] <Bytram> !quote 73
[17:21:23] <fyngyrz> much appreciated
[17:21:18] <Bender> Added quote 73
[17:21:18] <Bytram> !grab fyngyrz
[17:21:11] <Bytram> just giving you a taste as we go along to give you some idea of what's about
[17:20:54] <Bytram> some useful, some entertaining
[17:20:46] <Bytram> there's bunches of stuff the bots provide...
[17:20:34] * Bytram chuckles
[17:20:24] <fyngyrz> oh no, I'm going to waste way too much time with that, lol
[17:20:18] <Bytram> fyngyrz: s/./!/g
[17:20:09] <exec> <Bytram> <Fnord666> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:20:08] <Bytram> Fnord666: s/./!/g
[17:19:57] <fyngyrz> FUN
[17:19:53] <exec> <fyngyrz> wow, does that actually function here?
[17:19:52] <fyngyrz> s/work/function/
[17:19:50] <Bytram> fyngyrz: s/ye/ewe/
[17:19:45] <fyngyrz> wow, does that actually work here?
[17:19:30] <Bytram> =)
[17:19:24] <exec> <Bytram> no, thank you!
[17:19:22] <Bytram> s/ /, /
[17:19:12] <Bytram> no thank you!
[17:19:05] <fyngyrz> thank ye
[17:18:57] <Bytram> love the turn of phrase at the end.
[17:18:55] <fyngyrz> that's funny
[17:18:51] <Bytram> ROFL
[17:18:42] <fyngyrz> but I'm graphics programmer and a photographer, so I have a foot in both outhouses
[17:18:17] <Bytram> you can't spell "click" without it!
[17:17:44] <fyngyrz> quite fond of cli here :)
[17:17:18] <Bender> karma - cli: 1
[17:17:18] <Bytram> CLI++
[17:17:09] <fyngyrz> gotcha
[17:17:08] <Bytram> yes
[17:17:06] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:16:54] <fyngyrz> soylent's, you mean
[17:16:40] <Bytram> oh, I mean site / organization philosophy seems to be very much character-based as opposed to doing things with "clicky on pretty"
[17:15:45] <fyngyrz> or do you mean IRC in general?
[17:15:32] <Bytram> we had some other kinds of discussion area thingy back then, but escapes me atm
[17:15:21] <fyngyrz> what's that? The emulator manual?
[17:15:01] <Bytram> much like the site layout... information dense, character-based as opposed to clicky gooey^H GUI prettified stuff
[17:14:54] <fyngyrz> my shortwave / pirate radio "associates" used to do IRC, but we all moved to Ryver a year or so ago. I really like it.
[17:13:40] <fyngyrz> I hear that
[17:13:30] <Bytram> when the site started up, I think so many things were flakey, the decision was to go with what was most expedient and reliable.
[17:12:27] <fyngyrz> those clients rock in almost all ways
[17:11:58] <fyngyrz> I was very surprised that you guys aren't using slack or ryver
[17:11:38] <Bytram> lol
[17:11:32] <Bytram> but I really wasn't looking that hard
[17:11:30] <fyngyrz> but I'm really very vague about it
[17:11:25] <Bytram> hadn't heard that
[17:11:17] <fyngyrz> at least on the mac, which is what I'm using here
[17:11:06] <fyngyrz> most IRC clients, last I heard, had some pretty serious security/malware issues
[17:10:42] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:10:39] <fyngyrz> web browser
[17:10:36] * Bytram uses HexChat
[17:10:32] <Bytram> oh, forgot to ask... out of curiosity, what are you using to access IRC?
[17:09:50] <fyngyrz> okay
[17:09:49] <fyngyrz> I see
[17:09:45] <Bytram> *post
[17:09:43] <Bytram> not directly... from what I've seen, most folk just drop it in, say, imgur, and then poist a link
[17:09:18] <fyngyrz> or is that too non-texty? :)
[17:08:54] <fyngyrz> Is there a way to drop images into this IRC?
[17:08:50] <upstart> ^ 03Steve Ciarcia - Wikipedia
[17:08:32] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Steve Ciarcia is an embedded control systems engineer. He became popular through his Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar column in BYTE magazine, and later through the Circuit Cellar magazine that he published. He is also the author of Build Your Own Z80 Computer, edited in 1981 and Take My Computer...Please!, published in ..."
[17:08:31] <Bytram> #g steve ciarcia
[17:08:26] <Bytram> I'm reminded of Steve Ciarcia (sp?) who liked to program with a soldering iron.
[17:07:56] <fyngyrz> thanks
[17:07:48] <Bytram> VERY noice!
[17:07:42] <fyngyrz> you flip the dips, the LEDs nearby switch to match. Simple demo
[17:07:24] <fyngyrz> It's got a full-bore emulation of an arcade machine I designed way back when; the dip switches are used to set the game options. You can use em yourself, of course. I provide sample source code and a demo command
[17:06:21] <Bytram> I like the DIP switches -- nice touch!
[17:05:39] <Bender> karma - magicnumbers: -1
[17:05:39] <Bytram> magicnumbers--
[17:05:26] <fyngyrz> aye
[17:05:23] <Bytram> year += finagling_factor;
[17:05:18] <fyngyrz> I did write a time command that actually gives you the right info within the context of the emulator, but... lots of date stuff in the OS all scattered around
[17:05:00] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:04:36] <fyngyrz> Could rewrite the date stuff to make it work until 2078 or so, but after that, it's toast. :)
[17:04:15] <Bytram> gotcha
[17:04:08] <fyngyrz> All the file and disk dates are 2-digit.
[17:03:34] <Bytram> ahhh!
[17:03:29] <fyngyrz> Y2K bug inherent in the OS
[17:03:19] <Bytram> FEBRUARY 17, 1912 (??!!?!)
[17:02:48] <Bytram> clicky... oh, and another clicky
[17:02:01] <exec> └─ 13Introduction
[17:01:59] <fyngyrz> better
[17:01:57] <fyngyrz> http://ourtimelines.com
[17:01:52] <exec> └─ 13Introduction
[17:01:47] <fyngyrz> http://ourtimelines.com
[17:01:45] * Bytram spent way too many years testing software and reviewing docs
[17:01:27] * Bytram knows all too well what you mean
[17:01:08] <fyngyrz> so very much in a "screw with docs" mode :)
[17:00:52] <fyngyrz> speaking of old CPUs, I am just finishing up a first pass at docs for my 6809 emulator manual; been at it a few days. Trying to doc some of my older stuff
[17:00:44] <Bytram> hey, that would be GREAT!
[17:00:06] <fyngyrz> anyway, bookmarked that, too
[16:59:51] <fyngyrz> I used to run a couple wikis, might be able to get in there and break things for you
[16:59:19] <Bytram> they are not around so much anymore
[16:58:56] <Bytram> When I came on board, way back when, we had a few folk who were VERY knowlegable about wiki stuff, so I never really got into it
[16:58:17] <Bytram> yes, it needs it.
[16:58:08] <fyngyrz> does the wiki support same?
[16:58:00] <fyngyrz> That bot table needs an -align="top"- in the table cells. Very hard to read as is
[16:56:23] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with a box of chelsea fasteners
[16:56:23] <Bytram> #smake exec
[16:56:08] <exec> └─ 13400 Bad Request
[16:56:07] <upstart> ^ 03IRC - SoylentNews ( https://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[16:56:06] <Bytram> https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:55:34] <Bytram> oh.. hold on
[16:55:19] <Bytram> yup
[16:55:15] <Bytram> I really appreciate your willingness to step up and accept the invitation to join us... I can already see you'll be a big help! There's so much that is trumpeted as being new that is just something from long ago in new 'clothing'
[16:55:03] <fyngyrz> upstart is a bot?
[16:54:06] <Bytram> appreciate it!
[16:54:03] <fyngyrz> bookmarked
[16:53:58] <fyngyrz> okay, will peruse today
[16:53:33] <Bytram> *heading
[16:53:29] <Bytram> scroll down to "Documentation" headin
[16:53:07] <exec> └─ 13Editors - SoylentNews
[16:53:05] <upstart> ^ 03Editors - SoylentNews
[16:53:04] <Bytram> this is prolly a good starting place: https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:51:27] * Bytram goeslooking
[16:51:24] <fyngyrz> point me, please
[16:51:17] <Bytram> and, yes, there is such a page (or two)
[16:51:03] <Bytram> aha! I see you did.
[16:50:46] <fyngyrz> well, I edited the test story if that's what you mean
[16:50:33] <fyngyrz> Yes. Low crime, slow pace, very low traffic, people tend to leave you alone
[16:50:31] <Bytram> so, to change the subject a bit... have you had a chance to take a look around on dev?
[16:49:46] <Bytram> not that I would necessarily want to live there, but getting away from it all does have its attractions at times
[16:49:15] <Bytram> heh
[16:49:10] <fyngyrz> USGS classifies it as "high desert"
[16:48:49] <fyngyrz> You're not missing much. West Montana is very pretty, if a bit inundated by ex-Californians. Here, it's basically desert for the most part.
[16:48:47] * Bytram keeps forgetting how large a country USA is
[16:47:50] <Bytram> never made it there.
[16:47:21] <fyngyrz> pretty much
[16:47:15] <Bytram> big sky country
[16:47:06] <fyngyrz> Mountain. NE MOntana
[16:46:49] <Bytram> fyngyrz: if you don't mind my asking, what time zone are you in? (I'm on the US east coast; janrinok is in France IIIRC)
[16:46:07] <Bytram> janrinok: FYI, if you are still around, fyngyrz is here and I'm sure he'd like to 'meet' you.
[16:45:34] <Bytram> ;)
[16:45:29] <Bytram> 32MB of main memory and 256MB of extended memory!
[16:45:19] <Bytram> and, it had so much memory!
[16:45:09] <Bytram> not a bad PC at the time
[16:45:04] <Bytram> There were to prototypes in existence when they were developing that box. One undergoing the latest implementation upgrades in Poughkeepsie and we had a somewhat more stable version in Kingston -- I had 8 hour shifts to it for myself so Ic ould do OS system testing.
[16:43:51] <Bytram> lol
[16:43:36] <fyngyrz> nope. You broke it, you threw it out
[16:43:35] <upstart> ^ 03IBM 3090 - Wikipedia
[16:43:34] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "The IBM 3090 family was a high-end successor, after the IBM System/370, to the sequence begun a quarter of a century before by the IBM System/360. Although the Feb. 12, 1985 initial announcement of the family's first two members, the Model 200 and Model 400, lacked explicit mention of both the name System/370 and ..."
[16:43:34] <Bytram> #g IBM 3090
[16:43:21] <Bytram> no backspace / delete key!
[16:43:11] <Bytram> yup
[16:43:10] <fyngyrz> "living in the past, are we?"
[16:43:05] <Bytram> I had a choice of big iron OS or working at Boca in their micro stuff... back in '82 or thereabouts. Boca seemed so far away, and they would not give me anything extra for working there, so I took the mainframe.
[16:42:53] <fyngyrz> stacks of punched cards. I was using disks at home, was pretty freaked out when they pointed me to a card punch on my first day
[16:42:15] <fyngyrz> yeah
[16:42:12] <fyngyrz> We had a series one in there that we had assemble our code. Was pretty hilarious.
[16:41:58] <Bytram> EBCDIC for the lulz
[16:41:47] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:41:38] <fyngyrz> yes. Multiple printheads, wide characters... the entertainment never ended
[16:41:17] <Bytram> wide character sets?
[16:41:11] <Bytram> oi
[16:41:01] <fyngyrz> I was in the Kanji printer division at Boca Raton
[16:41:00] <Bytram> ahhh, I was in the big systems stuff. VM/SP HPO
[16:40:40] <fyngyrz> I worked for IBM, but programming and debugging 4-bit microprocessors for them
[16:40:39] <Bytram> was an easy step from the PDP-8
[16:40:18] <Bytram> yup
[16:40:14] <fyngyrz> 6502 got in a lot of hardware
[16:40:10] <Bytram> and, later, IBM 360/370 assembler, too
[16:39:34] <Bytram> that kept me from doing much of anything with that assembler... by then, I'd already done PDP-8, PDP-11, and 6502 assembly programming.
[16:39:10] <fyngyrz> No, no vaxen
[16:38:50] <Bytram> yup
[16:38:40] <fyngyrz> bad bet, though. The 6809 came, it was *fabulous*, but it ended up with no future, and Intel and segment registers ended up ruling the roost. Oh well.
[16:38:31] <Bytram> ever use a vax? Has the best-designed instruction I've ever seen; consistent, orthogonal, did I say consistent?
[16:37:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:37:42] <fyngyrz> yep. I was not a fan of the 8080, hence the SWTPC path
[16:37:21] <Bytram> S-100 era, IIRC
[16:37:16] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:37:10] <fyngyrz> They were kind of in there with Altair and MITS
[16:37:02] <Bender> karma - computershopper: 1
[16:37:02] <Bytram> ComputerShopper++
[16:36:56] * Bytram remembers hearing of the company, but could not remember what the letters stood for
[16:36:50] <fyngyrz> yep. Used to haunt the computer store magazine racks, once there were computer stores. :)
[16:36:38] <upstart> ^ 03SWTPC - Wikipedia
[16:36:38] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "The U.S. company SWTPC started in 1964 as DEMCO (Daniel E. Meyer Company). It was incorporated in 1967 as Southwest Technical Products Corporation of San Antonio, Texas. They produced a wide variety of electronics kits, and later complete computer systems. In the 1960s, many hobbyist electronics magazines ..."
[16:36:37] <Bytram> #g SWTPC
[16:36:16] <Bytram> there was so much fertile ground back then, that's for sure
[16:35:58] <fyngyrz> those were the days, eh? No one had any idea what we were doing.
[16:35:57] <Bytram> impressive!
[16:35:48] <Bytram> and then another 4 years later at uni, I was introduced to a punch card machine :(
[16:35:27] <fyngyrz> My first published article was about connecting that thing to a SWTPC 6800 via an SC/MP dev board that did ASCII->Baudot translation
[16:35:26] <Bytram> about 3 years later I was able to use VT-52 monitors... (and decwriters)
[16:34:40] <Bytram> yowza!
[16:34:29] <fyngyrz> surplus, of course
[16:34:19] <fyngyrz> I hear you. My first terminal was a baudot teletype from the 50's
[16:33:38] * Bytram first put hand to an ASR-35 teletype in about '72 -- dialup via accoustical coupled phone (110-baud -- woop!) to a PDP-8
[16:32:57] <Bytram> #metoo
[16:32:46] <fyngyrz> since the early 1970's
[16:32:24] <Bytram> so, you've been at computing for a while, i take it.
[16:31:57] <Bytram> lol
[16:31:51] <fyngyrz> Somewhat bemused... haven't been on IRC in any form since... the 1990s?
[16:31:24] <Bytram> Hi there! How ya doing?
[16:31:13] <Bytram> heh!
[16:31:07] <fyngyrz> plunk
[16:30:32] -!- fyngyrz [fyngyrz!~42ab119e@66.171.jo.vll] has joined #editorial
[16:26:04] <Bytram> ping me if you still need help
[16:24:59] <Bytram> janrinok: forgot to ask... did the acct reset work for arthur?
[16:01:44] * janrinok is lurking
[15:37:06] <upstart> ^ 03This guy is selling his vintage computer collection on Twitter - CNET ( https://www.cnet.com )
[15:37:05] <exec> └─ 13This guy is selling his vintage computer collection on Twitter - CNET
[15:37:03] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[15:27:07] <exec> definition for term "soap" set to "hippie kryptonite"
[15:27:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~define-add soap, hippie kryptonite
[15:26:48] * Bytram now has a very fowl taste in his mouth
[15:26:31] <upstart> ^ 03SOAP - Wikipedia
[15:26:31] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "SOAP is a protocol specification for exchanging structured information in the implementation of web services in computer networks. Its purpose is to induce extensibility, neutrality and independence. It uses XML Information Set for its message format, and relies on application layer protocols, most often Hypertext Transfer ..."
[15:26:30] <Bytram> #g SOAP
[15:26:26] * Bytram washes his mouth out with SOAP
[15:26:08] * janrinok loves it when Bytram talks dirty
[15:26:02] <Bytram> ;)
[15:25:47] <Bytram> you may have expressed the semantics, but the cmdline only understand syntax
[15:24:58] <janrinok> is that a 'summed down' then, or a 'subtracted up'?
[15:24:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yes, it's correct
[15:24:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, that's the opposite of summed up. that is in fact longer than "run it on fluorine then and then bounce on both" =P
[15:23:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ^^^ is that correct?
[15:23:12] <Bytram> so, to sum up, go to fluorine and run the /srv/... command, and then on BOTH fluorine AND hydrogen I have to do a bounce ( /home/bob/bin/bounce )
[15:22:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> run it on fluorine then and then bounce on both
[15:21:54] <Bytram> well, I'm having no luck with it... thnk that answrs that question. =)
[15:21:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i could be wrong about it being able to be run on hydrogen at all since it is a slashd task
[15:21:18] <Bytram> ahh, I misunderstood "gotta restart both. fluorine and hydrogen" to mean I had to run the /srv/... command on both servers.
[15:20:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> it changes db stuff that only gets read at apache startup
[15:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i said it could be run on either but that both needed to be bounced
[15:20:09] <Bytram> I thought you just said I needed to run that on both fluorine and hydrogen?
[15:19:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> that only needs run on one box not both
[15:19:38] <Bytram> does not matter if I try as slash or as me (martyb)... I keep getting:
[15:18:59] <Bytram> this command: /srv/soylentnews.org/rehash/bin/runtask -u slash refresh_authors_cache
[15:18:45] <Bytram> not trying to bounce atm; just trying to issue:
[15:18:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> HAS to
[15:18:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> bounce has to be run as someone with sudo permissions
[15:18:26] <Bytram> hmmm
[15:18:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> me
[15:18:16] <Bytram> are you 'you' or are you 'slash'
[15:18:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> worked fine for me
[15:17:59] <Bytram> same error message
[15:17:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> did it not work?
[15:17:45] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: any other ideas?
[15:16:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> or someone started incorrectly hydrogen's httpd as root
[15:16:25] <janrinok> that's boring - I preferred to believe my version more
[15:15:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, naw, i just wrote the bounce script incorrectly a while back and there's still some artifacts laying around from that.
[15:15:34] <Bytram> same error message
[15:15:13] <Bytram> k
[15:15:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, try now
[15:14:59] <janrinok> ah, there is a special incantation home - bot - bin - bounce, wingardum leviosa, expeliarmus
[15:14:54] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ^^^
[15:14:15] <Bytram> mkdir /srv/soylentnews.logs: Permission denied at /srv/soylentnews.org/perl/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.20.1/Slash/Utility/System.pm line 324.
[15:14:15] <Bytram> slash@hydrogen:~$ /srv/soylentnews.org/rehash/bin/runtask -u slash refresh_authors_cache
[15:14:15] <Bytram> martyb@hydrogen:~$ sudo -u slash -i
[15:13:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> /home/bob/bin/bounce?
[15:13:48] <Bytram> oh, good good
[15:13:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, dev only HAS one frontend =P
[15:13:36] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: keep getting an error when I try to run the refresh on hydrogen
[15:13:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> just got it fixed after getting back.
[15:13:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, i was off eating crawfish in louisana with a non-working piece of cat6 connecting my computer to the world
[15:12:11] <Bytram> I think I only bounced one for myupdate to dev
[15:12:05] <janrinok> ah TMB, you were there all along
[15:11:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> otherwise weirdness shall ensue.
[15:11:35] <Bytram> oh? Oh.
[15:11:32] <janrinok> .... site crashes in 5, 4, 3 ...#
[15:11:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta restart both. fluorine and hydrogen
[15:11:18] * Bytram looks around for the bounce script
[15:11:12] * Bytram now needs to restart the web server...
[15:11:00] * Bytram issues: /srv/soylentnews.org/rehash/bin/runtask -u slash refresh_authors_cache
[15:10:55] * Bytram sudos interactive as user slash
[15:10:41] <janrinok> ... maybe
[15:10:34] <janrinok> duh, I knew that...
[15:09:59] <Bytram> looks like I should be on fluorine, instead
[15:08:44] <Bytram> Since you changed the author status of this user, you will probably want to rebuild the authors cache at your earliest convenience. To do so, run this at the command line: /srv/soylentnews.org/rehash/bin/runtask -u slash refresh_authors_cache and then restart your webserver."
[15:08:44] <Bytram> "Saved uid 34 user settings
[15:08:42] * Bytram is responding to this message I received on the SN site after I checked the authors in all sections checkbox:
[15:07:37] * Bytram thinks he should be on sodium
[15:07:20] * Bytram needs a shorter pwd ;)
[15:06:57] * Bytram does kinit
[15:06:54] * Bytram logs in as martyb
[15:06:47] * Bytram loads putty
[15:05:58] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:05:53] <janrinok> yes please - I want him to start 2nd'ing
[15:05:48] * Bytram clicks checkbox, "Save chromas", now I need to do some server stuff... give me a few minutes
[15:04:58] <Bytram> I gave him the privs but forgot to make himn an editor in all sections
[15:04:40] <Bytram> janrinok: is chromas supposed to have editor privs on prod?
[15:04:09] <Bytram> hmmm
[15:04:05] <Bytram> np
[15:03:58] <janrinok> ty
[15:03:53] <Bytram> =)
[15:03:46] <Bytram> "The account for user Arthur T Knackerbracket has been reset. The password has been changed and an e-mail has been sent with the new password to verify the e-mail account associated with this account."
[15:03:34] <Bytram> 'click'
[15:03:23] <Bytram> k
[15:03:19] <janrinok> yes please
[15:02:35] <Bytram> well, it is *supposed* to do that.
[15:02:23] <Bytram> it will send you an email that you can then use to re-access the acct
[15:02:12] <Bytram> would you like for me to reset your password?
[15:02:03] <Bytram> janrinok: looks like email was set to your janrinok acct on SN
[15:01:30] * Bytram loads acct page
[15:01:14] <janrinok> that sounds about right then
[15:00:54] <Bytram> =)
[15:00:50] <Bytram> UID: 6256 Acct created: 2016-06-12 08:02:37 Nick: "Arthur T Knackerbracket"
[15:00:13] <janrinok> I think it was ArthurTKnackerbracket
[15:00:12] <Bytram> brb
[15:00:09] <Bytram> I can find accts...
[15:00:04] <Bytram> I can fix passwords...
[14:59:52] <janrinok> Arthur used to have an account, but I can't find it now. But I also cannot remember the password to that account anyway
[14:59:46] <Bytram> what were you searching for?
[14:59:38] <Bytram> ok
[14:59:13] <janrinok> well you didn't miss very much
[14:59:02] <Bytram> whacha looking for?
[14:58:58] * Bytram hangs up phone and notices he missed part of a conversation
[14:42:02] <janrinok> ah well, the account no longer exists it seems, so never mind
[14:39:43] <cmn32480> nothign in our PM channels either
[14:39:00] <janrinok> nope, me neither
[14:38:49] <cmn32480> and I searched adn can't find it
[14:34:37] <janrinok> well that is 2 of us then ...
[14:34:20] <cmn32480> NFI
[14:29:24] <janrinok> can either of you remember the pw for the Arthur T Knackerbracket account. I pushed it out on that other channel about 18 months ago but I'm damned if I can find it now
[14:25:14] <janrinok> true - the site is a thing rather than a person, but I can understand your attachment to it
[14:24:41] <Bytram> I submit to nobody!
[14:24:08] <janrinok> ask people what prevents them from making submissions - time taken, lack of interesting stories, can't be bothered, what submissions?
[14:23:07] <upstart> ^ 03RFC 1149 - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers
[14:23:06] <MrPlow> https://tools.ietf.org - "A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers. Status of this Memo This memo describes an experimental method for the encapsulation of IP datagrams in avian carriers. This specification is primarily useful in Metropolitan Area Networks. This is an experimental, not recommended standard. Distribution ..."
[14:23:06] <Bytram> #g rfc carrier pigeon
[14:22:58] <Bytram> what WAS that RFC?
[14:22:46] <janrinok> how many people use fibre, ADSL, telephone, smoke signals, pigeons etc
[14:22:18] <janrinok> ask people their download speeds?
[14:22:02] <janrinok> I'm currently enjoying 2.5MB download (12Mb) which is pretty good for here
[14:21:59] <Bytram> ?
[14:21:57] <Bytram> any suggestions for a new poll topic
[14:21:40] * Bytram just checked his data usage... nowhere near his monthly cap
[14:21:36] <cmn32480> my end is just fine... even after having Mexican for dinner last night
[14:21:27] <Bytram> hmmm
[14:21:00] <janrinok> its your end not mine
[14:20:33] * Bytram tried a wget... same issue
[14:20:21] <Bytram> see an endless "Connecting to upload.wikimedia.org...
[14:20:12] <janrinok> I can!
[14:19:57] <exec> └─ 13File:Meg Ryan 2009 portrait.jpg - Wikipedia
[14:19:56] <upstart> ^ 03File:Meg Ryan 2009 portrait.jpg - Wikipedia
[14:19:55] <Bytram> for example, can't seem to load the image for: https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:19:44] <janrinok> bitch!
[14:19:36] <cmn32480> just that you two keep popping up on it
[14:19:33] <janrinok> better than being pissed on
[14:19:25] <Bytram> anybody having any trouble with their internet connection today?
[14:19:23] * cmn32480 is starting to get pissed ooff
[14:18:56] <janrinok> I'll get panned for some of these
[14:18:46] <janrinok> That one should bowl you over
[14:18:41] <Bytram> we've been found out.. oh shit!
[14:18:36] <janrinok> but that's probably why I am flushed
[14:18:27] * Bytram ponders what it would take to present a 2D graph of subscriptions over time vs goal.
[14:18:19] <janrinok> ah, you two are talking crap again
[14:17:21] <Bytram> you got the bad pun, eh?
[14:17:13] <janrinok> I've just deleted an advert in the sub list regarding lasers that I deleted only a few days ago.
[14:17:09] <Bytram> well, looks like there were no new recent subscriptions, but my last update missed something. Beg-o-meter is now up-to-date.
[14:16:53] <cmn32480> passing on it is really the entire point of the tp bytram
[14:16:18] <janrinok> but my laughter probably gives away my true feelings
[14:15:58] <janrinok> my eyes are watering in sympathy
[14:15:41] <Bytram> true story: Cousins told me of a guy who needed to "go" while out on a hike. Asked what he should use for TP. Was told to use some leaves. Yes, you guessed it. Poison ivy.
[14:15:22] <janrinok> I find that the toilet is nearer to my computer than the nearest tree
[14:14:52] <Bytram> grab some of the nearest leaves
[14:14:37] <janrinok> a few other options are ' I don't use paper ', ' a sheet of computer printout is good enough for anybody ', etc
[14:13:52] <Bytram> I'll pass on it
[14:13:37] <janrinok> any chance we can either use that toilet paper poll or delete it?
[14:13:13] <Bytram> once they get up-to-speed on editing stories, might want to see if one of them wants to own the Pollbooth
[14:13:00] <cmn32480> so it might be safe
[14:12:59] <janrinok> I informed chromas of the rates of pay this morning - told him to open an offshore bank account and give the details to TMB. Also procure a large suitcase if he wants paying in cash
[14:12:57] <cmn32480> TMB isn't around to break it either.
[14:12:27] <Bytram> nope... nothing new in last 4 days
[14:12:10] * Bytram checks subscriptions
[14:11:50] <Bytram> look on the LHS of the main page on prod... "Dev Server"
[14:11:50] <janrinok> if chromas hasn't broken it yet, yes, we do
[14:11:23] <cmn32480> we have a dev server?
[14:10:54] <janrinok> I thought we already did that...? well, apparently not
[14:10:39] <Bytram> might be a good suggestion to pass on to the new eds
[14:10:38] <janrinok> so do I
[14:10:27] <Bytram> FWIW, I run a different theme on prod vs dev so I can tell at a glance where I am at.
[14:10:20] <janrinok> I am amazed on those rare occasions that I manage to actually log in!
[14:10:11] <cmn32480> I don't think the prefs work in Lynx
[14:09:58] <Bytram> lol
[14:09:54] <janrinok> nope
[14:09:48] <Bytram> I wonder if janrinok would notice if I changed his prefs?
[14:09:23] <janrinok> and now that you've blown that capability on here, you can't try the same stunt with fyngyrz either
[14:09:02] <Bytram> no, from a friend of mine
[14:08:44] <Bytram> it was part of being promoted to editor
[14:08:36] <janrinok> what, from fyngyrz? you are taking my question far too seriously
[14:08:36] <Bytram> drat! I coulda changed chromas theme and claimed
[14:08:07] * Bytram expects a phone call some time in the next 30 minutes
[14:06:30] <Bytram> according to his user prefs, it looks like he is in "-0800 Pacific" time zone
[14:06:00] <janrinok> I'm trying to decide if fyngyrz is in a tz that I can fit into my schedule
[14:05:54] <cmn32480> and some of us (looks in mirror) are not particularly helpful
[14:05:43] <Bytram> speak for yourself... I'm not all here by any stretch
[14:05:40] <cmn32480> not many of us left, I'm afraid
[14:05:28] <janrinok> hey the whole gang is nearly here!
[14:05:21] <Bytram> janrinok: not sure if I can answer your question... but I have an idea
[14:05:21] <exec> <cmn32480> tell chromas to get his shit together.. I had to post stories this mornign due to his laziness
[14:05:19] <cmn32480> s/chroppmas/chromas/
[14:05:03] <Bytram> lol
[14:04:55] <janrinok> I've just 2nd'ed them - I found no significant mistakes...
[14:04:50] <cmn32480> s/chrppmas/chromas/
[14:04:27] <cmn32480> tell chroppmas to get his shit together.. I had to post stories this mornign due to his laziness
[14:04:17] <janrinok> wise decision
[14:04:07] * cmn32480 passes on that opportunity
[14:03:56] <janrinok> there is 2 hours worth from this morning alone!
[14:03:41] * exec begrudgingly $action yo mama of hash tables $preposition cmn32480
[14:03:38] <cmn32480> forgive me for not reading the training backscroll
[14:03:37] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[14:03:33] * exec slowly postulates a gigabyte of windows towards janrinok
[14:03:31] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[14:01:54] <janrinok> Bytram, when you return, have you any idea what tz fyngyrz is in?
[13:56:30] <Bender> karma - tea: 30
[13:56:30] <janrinok> tea++ biab
[13:56:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 83
[13:56:17] <Bytram> coffee++ biab
[13:56:05] <janrinok> there you go, back with your bots
[13:55:20] <exec> Wednesday, 28 February 2018 @ 1:55 pm UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[13:55:18] <Bytram> ~time x
[13:55:10] <exec> └─ 13Meg Ryan~time - Wikipedia
[13:55:09] <upstart> ^ 03Meg Ryan~time - Wikipedia
[13:55:08] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org x
[13:18:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:18:10] <cmn32480> Meg Ryan... she was SOME chick
[13:18:01] <Bytram> thanks
[13:17:39] <upstart> ^ 03Joe Versus the Volcano - Wikipedia
[13:17:39] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Joe Versus the Volcano is a 1990 American romantic comedy film written and directed by John Patrick Shanley and starring Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan. Hanks plays a man who, after being told he is dying of a rare disease, accepts a financial offer to travel to a South Pacific island and throw himself into a volcano on behalf ..."
[13:17:38] <Bytram> #g Joe vs. the Volcano
[13:17:24] <Bytram> that's the one!
[13:17:16] <cmn32480> Tom Hanks... and some chick I think
[13:17:05] <exec> <cmn32480> Joe vs. the Volcano
[13:17:04] <cmn32480> s/Volcaon/Volcano/
[13:16:47] <cmn32480> Joe vs. the Volcaon
[13:16:22] <Bytram> can't remember thename of it for the life of me.
[13:16:10] <Bytram> reminds me of a dumb movie from a couple decades ago.
[13:14:51] <cmn32480> tehy screamed, but the Volcano Gods seems happier
[13:14:41] <cmn32480> I jsut tossed acouple in to buy us a few hours
[13:14:26] * exec democratically embiggens a buzz saw of Walla Walla sweet onions with bytram
[13:14:26] * exec flatulantly embiggens an example of roux with cmn32480
[13:14:23] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram
[13:14:22] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[13:14:20] * exec crutchyly enriches a scrote of gravy-less biscuits with janrinok
[13:14:18] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok
[13:14:08] * exec arrogantly vomits a container of dollars on janrinok
[13:14:06] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[08:46:15] <janrinok> OK, I'm finished with my immediate chores. Can you move to #edtrain and get dev set up on the screen please
[08:41:49] <chromas> Like on shitdown, waiting on a task for 1:15, but when it gets there, it becomes 2:30
[08:41:19] <chromas> I haven't been too offended by it, except when it occasionally does dumb things like extending a limited wait time forever
[08:39:19] * janrinok knew that he would find someone else who is quite happy to systemd ....
[08:22:53] * chromas sets up a systemd timer to hit f5 until privs_enabled=true
[08:21:45] <janrinok> no, not necessary, there are things in the queue that we can use. I'll request that you be given privs on the prod but please don't log on to it until I am there! It will take a while because TMB is probably sleeping.
[08:20:26] <chromas> Oh, maybe I should submit some things so someone else can accept and I can 2nd :D
[08:20:05] * janrinok notes that there are NO stories for 2nd'ing on prod at the moment
[08:19:53] <chromas> I'll be here
[08:19:12] <janrinok> will you still be around in half an hour or so? I can arrange my morning around your training if you want
[08:18:34] <chromas> I think I can handle it but I wouldn't say no to more training
[08:17:45] <janrinok> sorry got diverted a bit there - Are you confident with the 2nd'ing task. Do you want more training today, or do you think you are ready for the live system?
[07:58:25] <chromas> 'sup
[07:40:40] <janrinok> chromas. are you around?
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[07:40:15] -!- janrinok [janrinok!~janrinok@Soylent/Staff/Editor/janrinok] has joined #editorial
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[05:07:16] <Bytram> spacing is hard
[05:06:48] * Bytram now needs to hit the hay
[05:06:42] * Bytram nowneeds to hit the hay
[05:06:33] <Bytram> got us caught up on 2nding and posted a story
[04:42:09] <upstart> ^ 03The control of tonic pain by active relief learning | eLife ( https://elifesciences.org )
[04:42:06] <Bytram> http://dx.doi.org
[04:41:58] <upstart> ^ 03Identification of brain region responsible for alleviating pain could lead to development of opioid alternatives | University of Cambridge
[04:41:57] <exec> └─ 13Identification of brain region responsible for alleviating pain could lead to development of opioid alternatives | University of Cambridge
[04:41:55] <Bytram> http://www.cam.ac.uk
[04:11:04] <exec> └─ 13Popular cache utility exploited for massive reflected DoS attacks • The Register
[04:11:03] <upstart> ^ 03Popular cache utility exploited for massive reflected DoS attacks • The Register ( https://www.theregister.co.uk )
[04:11:02] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[03:01:17] <exec> editor ping for Bytram (reason: i just gave elevated privs on dev to fyngyrz who has volunteered to be an editor on the site. please welcome him aboard and extend a friendly greeting when you see him.): janrinok zz_janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 charon GreatOutdoors FatPhil Snow goodie mrpg
[03:01:16] <Bytram> ~eds I just gave elevated privs on dev to fyngyrz who has volunteered to be an editor on the site. Please welcome him aboard and extend a friendly greeting when you see him.