#editorial | Logs for 2018-02-28

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[03:01:16] <Bytram> ~eds I just gave elevated privs on dev to fyngyrz who has volunteered to be an editor on the site. Please welcome him aboard and extend a friendly greeting when you see him.
[03:01:17] <exec> editor ping for Bytram (reason: i just gave elevated privs on dev to fyngyrz who has volunteered to be an editor on the site. please welcome him aboard and extend a friendly greeting when you see him.): janrinok zz_janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 charon GreatOutdoors FatPhil Snow goodie mrpg
[04:11:02] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[04:11:03] <upstart> ^ 03Popular cache utility exploited for massive reflected DoS attacks • The Register ( https://www.theregister.co.uk )
[04:11:04] <exec> └─ 13Popular cache utility exploited for massive reflected DoS attacks • The Register
[04:41:55] <Bytram> http://www.cam.ac.uk
[04:41:57] <exec> └─ 13Identification of brain region responsible for alleviating pain could lead to development of opioid alternatives | University of Cambridge
[04:41:58] <upstart> ^ 03Identification of brain region responsible for alleviating pain could lead to development of opioid alternatives | University of Cambridge
[04:42:06] <Bytram> http://dx.doi.org
[04:42:09] <upstart> ^ 03The control of tonic pain by active relief learning | eLife ( https://elifesciences.org )
[05:06:33] <Bytram> got us caught up on 2nding and posted a story
[05:06:42] * Bytram nowneeds to hit the hay
[05:06:48] * Bytram now needs to hit the hay
[05:07:16] <Bytram> spacing is hard
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[07:40:15] -!- mode/#editorial [+v janrinok] by Hephaestus
[07:40:40] <janrinok> chromas. are you around?
[07:58:25] <chromas> 'sup
[08:17:45] <janrinok> sorry got diverted a bit there - Are you confident with the 2nd'ing task. Do you want more training today, or do you think you are ready for the live system?
[08:18:34] <chromas> I think I can handle it but I wouldn't say no to more training
[08:19:12] <janrinok> will you still be around in half an hour or so? I can arrange my morning around your training if you want
[08:19:53] <chromas> I'll be here
[08:20:05] * janrinok notes that there are NO stories for 2nd'ing on prod at the moment
[08:20:26] <chromas> Oh, maybe I should submit some things so someone else can accept and I can 2nd :D
[08:21:45] <janrinok> no, not necessary, there are things in the queue that we can use. I'll request that you be given privs on the prod but please don't log on to it until I am there! It will take a while because TMB is probably sleeping.
[08:22:53] * chromas sets up a systemd timer to hit f5 until privs_enabled=true
[08:39:19] * janrinok knew that he would find someone else who is quite happy to systemd ....
[08:41:19] <chromas> I haven't been too offended by it, except when it occasionally does dumb things like extending a limited wait time forever
[08:41:49] <chromas> Like on shitdown, waiting on a task for 1:15, but when it gets there, it becomes 2:30
[08:46:15] <janrinok> OK, I'm finished with my immediate chores. Can you move to #edtrain and get dev set up on the screen please
[13:14:06] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[13:14:08] * exec arrogantly vomits a container of dollars on janrinok
[13:14:18] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok
[13:14:20] * exec crutchyly enriches a scrote of gravy-less biscuits with janrinok
[13:14:22] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[13:14:23] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram
[13:14:26] * exec flatulantly embiggens an example of roux with cmn32480
[13:14:26] * exec democratically embiggens a buzz saw of Walla Walla sweet onions with bytram
[13:14:41] <cmn32480> I jsut tossed acouple in to buy us a few hours
[13:14:51] <cmn32480> tehy screamed, but the Volcano Gods seems happier
[13:16:10] <Bytram> reminds me of a dumb movie from a couple decades ago.
[13:16:22] <Bytram> can't remember thename of it for the life of me.
[13:16:47] <cmn32480> Joe vs. the Volcaon
[13:17:04] <cmn32480> s/Volcaon/Volcano/
[13:17:05] <exec> <cmn32480> Joe vs. the Volcano
[13:17:16] <cmn32480> Tom Hanks... and some chick I think
[13:17:24] <Bytram> that's the one!
[13:17:38] <Bytram> #g Joe vs. the Volcano
[13:17:39] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Joe Versus the Volcano is a 1990 American romantic comedy film written and directed by John Patrick Shanley and starring Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan. Hanks plays a man who, after being told he is dying of a rare disease, accepts a financial offer to travel to a South Pacific island and throw himself into a volcano on behalf ..."
[13:17:39] <upstart> ^ 03Joe Versus the Volcano - Wikipedia
[13:18:01] <Bytram> thanks
[13:18:10] <cmn32480> Meg Ryan... she was SOME chick
[13:18:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:55:08] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org x
[13:55:09] <upstart> ^ 03Meg Ryan~time - Wikipedia
[13:55:10] <exec> └─ 13Meg Ryan~time - Wikipedia
[13:55:18] <Bytram> ~time x
[13:55:20] <exec> Wednesday, 28 February 2018 @ 1:55 pm UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[13:56:05] <janrinok> there you go, back with your bots
[13:56:17] <Bytram> coffee++ biab
[13:56:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 83
[13:56:30] <janrinok> tea++ biab
[13:56:30] <Bender> karma - tea: 30
[14:01:54] <janrinok> Bytram, when you return, have you any idea what tz fyngyrz is in?
[14:03:31] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[14:03:33] * exec slowly postulates a gigabyte of windows towards janrinok
[14:03:37] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[14:03:38] <cmn32480> forgive me for not reading the training backscroll
[14:03:41] * exec begrudgingly $action yo mama of hash tables $preposition cmn32480
[14:03:56] <janrinok> there is 2 hours worth from this morning alone!
[14:04:07] * cmn32480 passes on that opportunity
[14:04:17] <janrinok> wise decision
[14:04:27] <cmn32480> tell chroppmas to get his shit together.. I had to post stories this mornign due to his laziness
[14:04:50] <cmn32480> s/chrppmas/chromas/
[14:04:55] <janrinok> I've just 2nd'ed them - I found no significant mistakes...
[14:05:03] <Bytram> lol
[14:05:19] <cmn32480> s/chroppmas/chromas/
[14:05:21] <exec> <cmn32480> tell chromas to get his shit together.. I had to post stories this mornign due to his laziness
[14:05:21] <Bytram> janrinok: not sure if I can answer your question... but I have an idea
[14:05:28] <janrinok> hey the whole gang is nearly here!
[14:05:40] <cmn32480> not many of us left, I'm afraid
[14:05:43] <Bytram> speak for yourself... I'm not all here by any stretch
[14:05:54] <cmn32480> and some of us (looks in mirror) are not particularly helpful
[14:06:00] <janrinok> I'm trying to decide if fyngyrz is in a tz that I can fit into my schedule
[14:06:30] <Bytram> according to his user prefs, it looks like he is in "-0800 Pacific" time zone
[14:08:07] * Bytram expects a phone call some time in the next 30 minutes
[14:08:36] <Bytram> drat! I coulda changed chromas theme and claimed
[14:08:36] <janrinok> what, from fyngyrz? you are taking my question far too seriously
[14:08:44] <Bytram> it was part of being promoted to editor
[14:09:02] <Bytram> no, from a friend of mine
[14:09:23] <janrinok> and now that you've blown that capability on here, you can't try the same stunt with fyngyrz either
[14:09:48] <Bytram> I wonder if janrinok would notice if I changed his prefs?
[14:09:54] <janrinok> nope
[14:09:58] <Bytram> lol
[14:10:11] <cmn32480> I don't think the prefs work in Lynx
[14:10:20] <janrinok> I am amazed on those rare occasions that I manage to actually log in!
[14:10:27] <Bytram> FWIW, I run a different theme on prod vs dev so I can tell at a glance where I am at.
[14:10:38] <janrinok> so do I
[14:10:39] <Bytram> might be a good suggestion to pass on to the new eds
[14:10:54] <janrinok> I thought we already did that...? well, apparently not
[14:11:23] <cmn32480> we have a dev server?
[14:11:50] <janrinok> if chromas hasn't broken it yet, yes, we do
[14:11:50] <Bytram> look on the LHS of the main page on prod... "Dev Server"
[14:12:10] * Bytram checks subscriptions
[14:12:27] <Bytram> nope... nothing new in last 4 days
[14:12:57] <cmn32480> TMB isn't around to break it either.
[14:12:59] <janrinok> I informed chromas of the rates of pay this morning - told him to open an offshore bank account and give the details to TMB. Also procure a large suitcase if he wants paying in cash
[14:13:00] <cmn32480> so it might be safe
[14:13:13] <Bytram> once they get up-to-speed on editing stories, might want to see if one of them wants to own the Pollbooth
[14:13:37] <janrinok> any chance we can either use that toilet paper poll or delete it?
[14:13:52] <Bytram> I'll pass on it
[14:14:37] <janrinok> a few other options are ' I don't use paper ', ' a sheet of computer printout is good enough for anybody ', etc
[14:14:52] <Bytram> grab some of the nearest leaves
[14:15:22] <janrinok> I find that the toilet is nearer to my computer than the nearest tree
[14:15:41] <Bytram> true story: Cousins told me of a guy who needed to "go" while out on a hike. Asked what he should use for TP. Was told to use some leaves. Yes, you guessed it. Poison ivy.
[14:15:58] <janrinok> my eyes are watering in sympathy
[14:16:18] <janrinok> but my laughter probably gives away my true feelings
[14:16:53] <cmn32480> passing on it is really the entire point of the tp bytram
[14:17:09] <Bytram> well, looks like there were no new recent subscriptions, but my last update missed something. Beg-o-meter is now up-to-date.
[14:17:13] <janrinok> I've just deleted an advert in the sub list regarding lasers that I deleted only a few days ago.
[14:17:21] <Bytram> you got the bad pun, eh?
[14:18:19] <janrinok> ah, you two are talking crap again
[14:18:27] * Bytram ponders what it would take to present a 2D graph of subscriptions over time vs goal.
[14:18:36] <janrinok> but that's probably why I am flushed
[14:18:41] <Bytram> we've been found out.. oh shit!
[14:18:46] <janrinok> That one should bowl you over
[14:18:56] <janrinok> I'll get panned for some of these
[14:19:23] * cmn32480 is starting to get pissed ooff
[14:19:25] <Bytram> anybody having any trouble with their internet connection today?
[14:19:33] <janrinok> better than being pissed on
[14:19:36] <cmn32480> just that you two keep popping up on it
[14:19:44] <janrinok> bitch!
[14:19:55] <Bytram> for example, can't seem to load the image for: https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:19:56] <upstart> ^ 03File:Meg Ryan 2009 portrait.jpg - Wikipedia
[14:19:57] <exec> └─ 13File:Meg Ryan 2009 portrait.jpg - Wikipedia
[14:20:12] <janrinok> I can!
[14:20:21] <Bytram> see an endless "Connecting to upload.wikimedia.org...
[14:20:33] * Bytram tried a wget... same issue
[14:21:00] <janrinok> its your end not mine
[14:21:27] <Bytram> hmmm
[14:21:36] <cmn32480> my end is just fine... even after having Mexican for dinner last night
[14:21:40] * Bytram just checked his data usage... nowhere near his monthly cap
[14:21:57] <Bytram> any suggestions for a new poll topic
[14:21:59] <Bytram> ?
[14:22:02] <janrinok> I'm currently enjoying 2.5MB download (12Mb) which is pretty good for here
[14:22:18] <janrinok> ask people their download speeds?
[14:22:46] <janrinok> how many people use fibre, ADSL, telephone, smoke signals, pigeons etc
[14:22:58] <Bytram> what WAS that RFC?
[14:23:06] <Bytram> #g rfc carrier pigeon
[14:23:06] <MrPlow> https://tools.ietf.org - "A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers. Status of this Memo This memo describes an experimental method for the encapsulation of IP datagrams in avian carriers. This specification is primarily useful in Metropolitan Area Networks. This is an experimental, not recommended standard. Distribution ..."
[14:23:07] <upstart> ^ 03RFC 1149 - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers
[14:24:08] <janrinok> ask people what prevents them from making submissions - time taken, lack of interesting stories, can't be bothered, what submissions?
[14:24:41] <Bytram> I submit to nobody!
[14:25:14] <janrinok> true - the site is a thing rather than a person, but I can understand your attachment to it
[14:29:24] <janrinok> can either of you remember the pw for the Arthur T Knackerbracket account. I pushed it out on that other channel about 18 months ago but I'm damned if I can find it now
[14:34:20] <cmn32480> NFI
[14:34:37] <janrinok> well that is 2 of us then ...
[14:38:49] <cmn32480> and I searched adn can't find it
[14:39:00] <janrinok> nope, me neither
[14:39:43] <cmn32480> nothign in our PM channels either
[14:42:02] <janrinok> ah well, the account no longer exists it seems, so never mind
[14:58:58] * Bytram hangs up phone and notices he missed part of a conversation
[14:59:02] <Bytram> whacha looking for?
[14:59:13] <janrinok> well you didn't miss very much
[14:59:38] <Bytram> ok
[14:59:46] <Bytram> what were you searching for?
[14:59:52] <janrinok> Arthur used to have an account, but I can't find it now. But I also cannot remember the password to that account anyway
[15:00:04] <Bytram> I can fix passwords...
[15:00:09] <Bytram> I can find accts...
[15:00:12] <Bytram> brb
[15:00:13] <janrinok> I think it was ArthurTKnackerbracket
[15:00:50] <Bytram> UID: 6256 Acct created: 2016-06-12 08:02:37 Nick: "Arthur T Knackerbracket"
[15:00:54] <Bytram> =)
[15:01:14] <janrinok> that sounds about right then
[15:01:30] * Bytram loads acct page
[15:02:03] <Bytram> janrinok: looks like email was set to your janrinok acct on SN
[15:02:12] <Bytram> would you like for me to reset your password?
[15:02:23] <Bytram> it will send you an email that you can then use to re-access the acct
[15:02:35] <Bytram> well, it is *supposed* to do that.
[15:03:19] <janrinok> yes please
[15:03:23] <Bytram> k
[15:03:34] <Bytram> 'click'
[15:03:46] <Bytram> "The account for user Arthur T Knackerbracket has been reset. The password has been changed and an e-mail has been sent with the new password to verify the e-mail account associated with this account."
[15:03:53] <Bytram> =)
[15:03:58] <janrinok> ty
[15:04:05] <Bytram> np
[15:04:09] <Bytram> hmmm
[15:04:40] <Bytram> janrinok: is chromas supposed to have editor privs on prod?
[15:04:58] <Bytram> I gave him the privs but forgot to make himn an editor in all sections
[15:05:48] * Bytram clicks checkbox, "Save chromas", now I need to do some server stuff... give me a few minutes
[15:05:53] <janrinok> yes please - I want him to start 2nd'ing
[15:05:58] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:06:47] * Bytram loads putty
[15:06:54] * Bytram logs in as martyb
[15:06:57] * Bytram does kinit
[15:07:20] * Bytram needs a shorter pwd ;)
[15:07:37] * Bytram thinks he should be on sodium
[15:08:42] * Bytram is responding to this message I received on the SN site after I checked the authors in all sections checkbox:
[15:08:44] <Bytram> "Saved uid 34 user settings
[15:08:44] <Bytram> Since you changed the author status of this user, you will probably want to rebuild the authors cache at your earliest convenience. To do so, run this at the command line: /srv/soylentnews.org/rehash/bin/runtask -u slash refresh_authors_cache and then restart your webserver."
[15:09:59] <Bytram> looks like I should be on fluorine, instead
[15:10:34] <janrinok> duh, I knew that...
[15:10:41] <janrinok> ... maybe
[15:10:55] * Bytram sudos interactive as user slash
[15:11:00] * Bytram issues: /srv/soylentnews.org/rehash/bin/runtask -u slash refresh_authors_cache
[15:11:12] * Bytram now needs to restart the web server...
[15:11:18] * Bytram looks around for the bounce script
[15:11:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta restart both. fluorine and hydrogen
[15:11:32] <janrinok> .... site crashes in 5, 4, 3 ...#
[15:11:35] <Bytram> oh? Oh.
[15:11:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> otherwise weirdness shall ensue.
[15:12:05] <janrinok> ah TMB, you were there all along
[15:12:11] <Bytram> I think I only bounced one for myupdate to dev
[15:13:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, i was off eating crawfish in louisana with a non-working piece of cat6 connecting my computer to the world
[15:13:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> just got it fixed after getting back.
[15:13:36] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: keep getting an error when I try to run the refresh on hydrogen
[15:13:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, dev only HAS one frontend =P
[15:13:48] <Bytram> oh, good good
[15:13:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> /home/bob/bin/bounce?
[15:14:15] <Bytram> martyb@hydrogen:~$ sudo -u slash -i
[15:14:15] <Bytram> slash@hydrogen:~$ /srv/soylentnews.org/rehash/bin/runtask -u slash refresh_authors_cache
[15:14:15] <Bytram> mkdir /srv/soylentnews.logs: Permission denied at /srv/soylentnews.org/perl/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.20.1/Slash/Utility/System.pm line 324.
[15:14:54] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ^^^
[15:14:59] <janrinok> ah, there is a special incantation home - bot - bin - bounce, wingardum leviosa, expeliarmus
[15:15:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, try now
[15:15:13] <Bytram> k
[15:15:34] <Bytram> same error message
[15:15:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, naw, i just wrote the bounce script incorrectly a while back and there's still some artifacts laying around from that.
[15:16:25] <janrinok> that's boring - I preferred to believe my version more
[15:16:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> or someone started incorrectly hydrogen's httpd as root
[15:17:45] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: any other ideas?
[15:17:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> did it not work?
[15:17:59] <Bytram> same error message
[15:18:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> worked fine for me
[15:18:16] <Bytram> are you 'you' or are you 'slash'
[15:18:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> me
[15:18:26] <Bytram> hmmm
[15:18:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> bounce has to be run as someone with sudo permissions
[15:18:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> HAS to
[15:18:45] <Bytram> not trying to bounce atm; just trying to issue:
[15:18:59] <Bytram> this command: /srv/soylentnews.org/rehash/bin/runtask -u slash refresh_authors_cache
[15:19:38] <Bytram> does not matter if I try as slash or as me (martyb)... I keep getting:
[15:19:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> that only needs run on one box not both
[15:20:09] <Bytram> I thought you just said I needed to run that on both fluorine and hydrogen?
[15:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i said it could be run on either but that both needed to be bounced
[15:20:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> it changes db stuff that only gets read at apache startup
[15:21:18] <Bytram> ahh, I misunderstood "gotta restart both. fluorine and hydrogen" to mean I had to run the /srv/... command on both servers.
[15:21:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i could be wrong about it being able to be run on hydrogen at all since it is a slashd task
[15:21:54] <Bytram> well, I'm having no luck with it... thnk that answrs that question. =)
[15:22:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> run it on fluorine then and then bounce on both
[15:23:12] <Bytram> so, to sum up, go to fluorine and run the /srv/... command, and then on BOTH fluorine AND hydrogen I have to do a bounce ( /home/bob/bin/bounce )
[15:23:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ^^^ is that correct?
[15:24:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, that's the opposite of summed up. that is in fact longer than "run it on fluorine then and then bounce on both" =P
[15:24:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yes, it's correct
[15:24:58] <janrinok> is that a 'summed down' then, or a 'subtracted up'?
[15:25:47] <Bytram> you may have expressed the semantics, but the cmdline only understand syntax
[15:26:02] <Bytram> ;)
[15:26:08] * janrinok loves it when Bytram talks dirty
[15:26:26] * Bytram washes his mouth out with SOAP
[15:26:30] <Bytram> #g SOAP
[15:26:31] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "SOAP is a protocol specification for exchanging structured information in the implementation of web services in computer networks. Its purpose is to induce extensibility, neutrality and independence. It uses XML Information Set for its message format, and relies on application layer protocols, most often Hypertext Transfer ..."
[15:26:31] <upstart> ^ 03SOAP - Wikipedia
[15:26:48] * Bytram now has a very fowl taste in his mouth
[15:27:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~define-add soap, hippie kryptonite
[15:27:07] <exec> definition for term "soap" set to "hippie kryptonite"
[15:37:03] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[15:37:05] <exec> └─ 13This guy is selling his vintage computer collection on Twitter - CNET
[15:37:06] <upstart> ^ 03This guy is selling his vintage computer collection on Twitter - CNET ( https://www.cnet.com )
[16:01:44] * janrinok is lurking
[16:24:59] <Bytram> janrinok: forgot to ask... did the acct reset work for arthur?
[16:26:04] <Bytram> ping me if you still need help
[16:30:32] -!- fyngyrz [fyngyrz!~42ab119e@66.171.jo.vll] has joined #editorial
[16:31:07] <fyngyrz> plunk
[16:31:13] <Bytram> heh!
[16:31:24] <Bytram> Hi there! How ya doing?
[16:31:51] <fyngyrz> Somewhat bemused... haven't been on IRC in any form since... the 1990s?
[16:31:57] <Bytram> lol
[16:32:24] <Bytram> so, you've been at computing for a while, i take it.
[16:32:46] <fyngyrz> since the early 1970's
[16:32:57] <Bytram> #metoo
[16:33:38] * Bytram first put hand to an ASR-35 teletype in about '72 -- dialup via accoustical coupled phone (110-baud -- woop!) to a PDP-8
[16:34:19] <fyngyrz> I hear you. My first terminal was a baudot teletype from the 50's
[16:34:29] <fyngyrz> surplus, of course
[16:34:40] <Bytram> yowza!
[16:35:26] <Bytram> about 3 years later I was able to use VT-52 monitors... (and decwriters)
[16:35:27] <fyngyrz> My first published article was about connecting that thing to a SWTPC 6800 via an SC/MP dev board that did ASCII->Baudot translation
[16:35:48] <Bytram> and then another 4 years later at uni, I was introduced to a punch card machine :(
[16:35:57] <Bytram> impressive!
[16:35:58] <fyngyrz> those were the days, eh? No one had any idea what we were doing.
[16:36:16] <Bytram> there was so much fertile ground back then, that's for sure
[16:36:37] <Bytram> #g SWTPC
[16:36:38] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "The U.S. company SWTPC started in 1964 as DEMCO (Daniel E. Meyer Company). It was incorporated in 1967 as Southwest Technical Products Corporation of San Antonio, Texas. They produced a wide variety of electronics kits, and later complete computer systems. In the 1960s, many hobbyist electronics magazines ..."
[16:36:38] <upstart> ^ 03SWTPC - Wikipedia
[16:36:50] <fyngyrz> yep. Used to haunt the computer store magazine racks, once there were computer stores. :)
[16:36:56] * Bytram remembers hearing of the company, but could not remember what the letters stood for
[16:37:02] <Bytram> ComputerShopper++
[16:37:02] <Bender> karma - computershopper: 1
[16:37:10] <fyngyrz> They were kind of in there with Altair and MITS
[16:37:16] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:37:21] <Bytram> S-100 era, IIRC
[16:37:42] <fyngyrz> yep. I was not a fan of the 8080, hence the SWTPC path
[16:37:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:38:31] <Bytram> ever use a vax? Has the best-designed instruction I've ever seen; consistent, orthogonal, did I say consistent?
[16:38:40] <fyngyrz> bad bet, though. The 6809 came, it was *fabulous*, but it ended up with no future, and Intel and segment registers ended up ruling the roost. Oh well.
[16:38:50] <Bytram> yup
[16:39:10] <fyngyrz> No, no vaxen
[16:39:34] <Bytram> that kept me from doing much of anything with that assembler... by then, I'd already done PDP-8, PDP-11, and 6502 assembly programming.
[16:40:10] <Bytram> and, later, IBM 360/370 assembler, too
[16:40:14] <fyngyrz> 6502 got in a lot of hardware
[16:40:18] <Bytram> yup
[16:40:39] <Bytram> was an easy step from the PDP-8
[16:40:40] <fyngyrz> I worked for IBM, but programming and debugging 4-bit microprocessors for them
[16:41:00] <Bytram> ahhh, I was in the big systems stuff. VM/SP HPO
[16:41:01] <fyngyrz> I was in the Kanji printer division at Boca Raton
[16:41:11] <Bytram> oi
[16:41:17] <Bytram> wide character sets?
[16:41:38] <fyngyrz> yes. Multiple printheads, wide characters... the entertainment never ended
[16:41:47] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:41:58] <Bytram> EBCDIC for the lulz
[16:42:12] <fyngyrz> We had a series one in there that we had assemble our code. Was pretty hilarious.
[16:42:15] <fyngyrz> yeah
[16:42:53] <fyngyrz> stacks of punched cards. I was using disks at home, was pretty freaked out when they pointed me to a card punch on my first day
[16:43:05] <Bytram> I had a choice of big iron OS or working at Boca in their micro stuff... back in '82 or thereabouts. Boca seemed so far away, and they would not give me anything extra for working there, so I took the mainframe.
[16:43:10] <fyngyrz> "living in the past, are we?"
[16:43:11] <Bytram> yup
[16:43:21] <Bytram> no backspace / delete key!
[16:43:34] <Bytram> #g IBM 3090
[16:43:34] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "The IBM 3090 family was a high-end successor, after the IBM System/370, to the sequence begun a quarter of a century before by the IBM System/360. Although the Feb. 12, 1985 initial announcement of the family's first two members, the Model 200 and Model 400, lacked explicit mention of both the name System/370 and ..."
[16:43:35] <upstart> ^ 03IBM 3090 - Wikipedia
[16:43:36] <fyngyrz> nope. You broke it, you threw it out
[16:43:51] <Bytram> lol
[16:45:04] <Bytram> There were to prototypes in existence when they were developing that box. One undergoing the latest implementation upgrades in Poughkeepsie and we had a somewhat more stable version in Kingston -- I had 8 hour shifts to it for myself so Ic ould do OS system testing.
[16:45:09] <Bytram> not a bad PC at the time
[16:45:19] <Bytram> and, it had so much memory!
[16:45:29] <Bytram> 32MB of main memory and 256MB of extended memory!
[16:45:34] <Bytram> ;)
[16:46:07] <Bytram> janrinok: FYI, if you are still around, fyngyrz is here and I'm sure he'd like to 'meet' you.
[16:46:49] <Bytram> fyngyrz: if you don't mind my asking, what time zone are you in? (I'm on the US east coast; janrinok is in France IIIRC)
[16:47:06] <fyngyrz> Mountain. NE MOntana
[16:47:15] <Bytram> big sky country
[16:47:21] <fyngyrz> pretty much
[16:47:50] <Bytram> never made it there.
[16:48:47] * Bytram keeps forgetting how large a country USA is
[16:48:49] <fyngyrz> You're not missing much. West Montana is very pretty, if a bit inundated by ex-Californians. Here, it's basically desert for the most part.
[16:49:10] <fyngyrz> USGS classifies it as "high desert"
[16:49:15] <Bytram> heh
[16:49:46] <Bytram> not that I would necessarily want to live there, but getting away from it all does have its attractions at times
[16:50:31] <Bytram> so, to change the subject a bit... have you had a chance to take a look around on dev?
[16:50:33] <fyngyrz> Yes. Low crime, slow pace, very low traffic, people tend to leave you alone
[16:50:46] <fyngyrz> well, I edited the test story if that's what you mean
[16:51:03] <Bytram> aha! I see you did.
[16:51:17] <Bytram> and, yes, there is such a page (or two)
[16:51:24] <fyngyrz> point me, please
[16:51:27] * Bytram goeslooking
[16:53:04] <Bytram> this is prolly a good starting place: https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:53:05] <upstart> ^ 03Editors - SoylentNews
[16:53:07] <exec> └─ 13Editors - SoylentNews
[16:53:29] <Bytram> scroll down to "Documentation" headin
[16:53:33] <Bytram> *heading
[16:53:58] <fyngyrz> okay, will peruse today
[16:54:03] <fyngyrz> bookmarked
[16:54:06] <Bytram> appreciate it!
[16:55:03] <fyngyrz> upstart is a bot?
[16:55:15] <Bytram> I really appreciate your willingness to step up and accept the invitation to join us... I can already see you'll be a big help! There's so much that is trumpeted as being new that is just something from long ago in new 'clothing'
[16:55:19] <Bytram> yup
[16:55:34] <Bytram> oh.. hold on
[16:56:06] <Bytram> https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:56:07] <upstart> ^ 03IRC - SoylentNews ( https://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[16:56:08] <exec> └─ 13400 Bad Request
[16:56:23] <Bytram> #smake exec
[16:56:23] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with a box of chelsea fasteners
[16:58:00] <fyngyrz> That bot table needs an -align="top"- in the table cells. Very hard to read as is
[16:58:08] <fyngyrz> does the wiki support same?
[16:58:17] <Bytram> yes, it needs it.
[16:58:56] <Bytram> When I came on board, way back when, we had a few folk who were VERY knowlegable about wiki stuff, so I never really got into it
[16:59:19] <Bytram> they are not around so much anymore
[16:59:51] <fyngyrz> I used to run a couple wikis, might be able to get in there and break things for you
[17:00:06] <fyngyrz> anyway, bookmarked that, too
[17:00:44] <Bytram> hey, that would be GREAT!
[17:00:52] <fyngyrz> speaking of old CPUs, I am just finishing up a first pass at docs for my 6809 emulator manual; been at it a few days. Trying to doc some of my older stuff
[17:01:08] <fyngyrz> so very much in a "screw with docs" mode :)
[17:01:27] * Bytram knows all too well what you mean
[17:01:45] * Bytram spent way too many years testing software and reviewing docs
[17:01:47] <fyngyrz> http://ourtimelines.com
[17:01:52] <exec> └─ 13Introduction
[17:01:57] <fyngyrz> http://ourtimelines.com
[17:01:59] <fyngyrz> better
[17:02:01] <exec> └─ 13Introduction
[17:02:48] <Bytram> clicky... oh, and another clicky
[17:03:19] <Bytram> FEBRUARY 17, 1912 (??!!?!)
[17:03:29] <fyngyrz> Y2K bug inherent in the OS
[17:03:34] <Bytram> ahhh!
[17:04:08] <fyngyrz> All the file and disk dates are 2-digit.
[17:04:15] <Bytram> gotcha
[17:04:36] <fyngyrz> Could rewrite the date stuff to make it work until 2078 or so, but after that, it's toast. :)
[17:05:00] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:05:18] <fyngyrz> I did write a time command that actually gives you the right info within the context of the emulator, but... lots of date stuff in the OS all scattered around
[17:05:23] <Bytram> year += finagling_factor;
[17:05:26] <fyngyrz> aye
[17:05:39] <Bytram> magicnumbers--
[17:05:39] <Bender> karma - magicnumbers: -1
[17:06:21] <Bytram> I like the DIP switches -- nice touch!
[17:07:24] <fyngyrz> It's got a full-bore emulation of an arcade machine I designed way back when; the dip switches are used to set the game options. You can use em yourself, of course. I provide sample source code and a demo command
[17:07:42] <fyngyrz> you flip the dips, the LEDs nearby switch to match. Simple demo
[17:07:48] <Bytram> VERY noice!
[17:07:56] <fyngyrz> thanks
[17:08:26] <Bytram> I'm reminded of Steve Ciarcia (sp?) who liked to program with a soldering iron.
[17:08:31] <Bytram> #g steve ciarcia
[17:08:32] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Steve Ciarcia is an embedded control systems engineer. He became popular through his Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar column in BYTE magazine, and later through the Circuit Cellar magazine that he published. He is also the author of Build Your Own Z80 Computer, edited in 1981 and Take My Computer...Please!, published in ..."
[17:08:50] <upstart> ^ 03Steve Ciarcia - Wikipedia
[17:08:54] <fyngyrz> Is there a way to drop images into this IRC?
[17:09:18] <fyngyrz> or is that too non-texty? :)
[17:09:43] <Bytram> not directly... from what I've seen, most folk just drop it in, say, imgur, and then poist a link
[17:09:45] <Bytram> *post
[17:09:49] <fyngyrz> I see
[17:09:50] <fyngyrz> okay
[17:10:32] <Bytram> oh, forgot to ask... out of curiosity, what are you using to access IRC?
[17:10:36] * Bytram uses HexChat
[17:10:39] <fyngyrz> web browser
[17:10:42] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:11:06] <fyngyrz> most IRC clients, last I heard, had some pretty serious security/malware issues
[17:11:17] <fyngyrz> at least on the mac, which is what I'm using here
[17:11:25] <Bytram> hadn't heard that
[17:11:30] <fyngyrz> but I'm really very vague about it
[17:11:32] <Bytram> but I really wasn't looking that hard
[17:11:38] <Bytram> lol
[17:11:58] <fyngyrz> I was very surprised that you guys aren't using slack or ryver
[17:12:27] <fyngyrz> those clients rock in almost all ways
[17:13:30] <Bytram> when the site started up, I think so many things were flakey, the decision was to go with what was most expedient and reliable.
[17:13:40] <fyngyrz> I hear that
[17:14:54] <fyngyrz> my shortwave / pirate radio "associates" used to do IRC, but we all moved to Ryver a year or so ago. I really like it.
[17:15:01] <Bytram> much like the site layout... information dense, character-based as opposed to clicky gooey^H GUI prettified stuff
[17:15:21] <fyngyrz> what's that? The emulator manual?
[17:15:32] <Bytram> we had some other kinds of discussion area thingy back then, but escapes me atm
[17:15:45] <fyngyrz> or do you mean IRC in general?
[17:16:40] <Bytram> oh, I mean site / organization philosophy seems to be very much character-based as opposed to doing things with "clicky on pretty"
[17:16:54] <fyngyrz> soylent's, you mean
[17:17:06] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:17:08] <Bytram> yes
[17:17:09] <fyngyrz> gotcha
[17:17:18] <Bytram> CLI++
[17:17:18] <Bender> karma - cli: 1
[17:17:44] <fyngyrz> quite fond of cli here :)
[17:18:17] <Bytram> you can't spell "click" without it!
[17:18:42] <fyngyrz> but I'm graphics programmer and a photographer, so I have a foot in both outhouses
[17:18:51] <Bytram> ROFL
[17:18:55] <fyngyrz> that's funny
[17:18:57] <Bytram> love the turn of phrase at the end.
[17:19:05] <fyngyrz> thank ye
[17:19:12] <Bytram> no thank you!
[17:19:22] <Bytram> s/ /, /
[17:19:24] <exec> <Bytram> no, thank you!
[17:19:30] <Bytram> =)
[17:19:45] <fyngyrz> wow, does that actually work here?
[17:19:50] <Bytram> fyngyrz: s/ye/ewe/
[17:19:52] <fyngyrz> s/work/function/
[17:19:53] <exec> <fyngyrz> wow, does that actually function here?
[17:19:57] <fyngyrz> FUN
[17:20:08] <Bytram> Fnord666: s/./!/g
[17:20:09] <exec> <Bytram> <Fnord666> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:20:18] <Bytram> fyngyrz: s/./!/g
[17:20:24] <fyngyrz> oh no, I'm going to waste way too much time with that, lol
[17:20:34] * Bytram chuckles
[17:20:46] <Bytram> there's bunches of stuff the bots provide...
[17:20:54] <Bytram> some useful, some entertaining
[17:21:11] <Bytram> just giving you a taste as we go along to give you some idea of what's about
[17:21:18] <Bytram> !grab fyngyrz
[17:21:18] <Bender> Added quote 73
[17:21:23] <fyngyrz> much appreciated
[17:21:23] <Bytram> !quote 73
[17:21:23] <Bender> Quote 73 - <fyngyrz> oh no, I'm going to waste way too much time with that, lol
[17:21:41] <Bytram> !quote 72
[17:21:41] <Bender> Quote 72 - <cmn32480> I dumped 1 just to give a breathign room
[17:21:52] <fyngyrz> cool
[17:22:05] <Bytram> you have been given fair warning =)
[17:22:11] <Bytram> nograb
[17:22:30] <Bytram> and an antidote if you recognize an opeing
[17:22:32] <fyngyrz> If I get a few, perhaps I'll integrate my macro language here
[17:22:34] <Bytram> *opening
[17:23:04] <Bytram> that could be fun
[17:23:05] <fyngyrz> One of my projects is a pretty serious text processing language
[17:23:29] <fyngyrz> http://ourtimelines.com
[17:23:30] <upstart> ^ 03aa_macro syntax / display
[17:23:32] <Bytram> as in layout / organization or as in text processing / analysis
[17:23:43] <Bytram> clicky
[17:24:14] <Bytram> ever do any perl programming?
[17:24:17] <fyngyrz> yep
[17:24:21] <fyngyrz> hated it
[17:24:24] <Bytram> don't tell TheMightyBuzzard
[17:24:28] <fyngyrz> a horrible language
[17:24:39] <fyngyrz> I aint' afeered
[17:25:00] <fyngyrz> s/t'/'t/
[17:25:02] <exec> <fyngyrz> I ain't afeered
[17:25:42] <fyngyrz> I'm happy if he's happy with it. Me, I have other favorites
[17:25:53] <Bytram> I liked the capabilities, but disliked the line-noise incantations and the so-many-different ways to do the same thing, I much prefer a consistent syntax/semantics organization at a high enough meta level
[17:26:05] <fyngyrz> Python
[17:26:15] <Bytram> well, it's what the SN was programmed in, so we are stuck with it.
[17:26:23] <Bytram> s/the //
[17:26:25] <exec> <Bytram> well, it's what SN was programmed in, so we are stuck with it.
[17:26:28] <fyngyrz> how big is the source corpus?
[17:27:09] <Bytram> I don't have a local copy, but it is much more extensive than I imagined when last I took a look, based only on what I had previously known from many years on /.
[17:27:19] <Bytram> is highly configurable
[17:27:36] <fyngyrz> I see. Well, probably rules out a rewrite, or at least, a non-trivial one
[17:27:44] <Bytram> that's for sure
[17:28:32] <Bytram> also, it suffers from having had a few different hands in the pot who had their own coding styles / naming conventions / whatever will make it work at oh-three-thrity-am
[17:29:32] <fyngyrz> I built a pretty comprehensive custom system in perl - point of sale, stock DB / management / predictive order generation, invoicing, sales clients, all that crap... it's about a helf million lines of perl code. This is how I learned ot despise perl. :)
[17:29:34] <Bytram> some_vars_are_like_this andThenThereAreOthers
[17:29:40] <fyngyrz> $andothers
[17:30:00] <Bytram> zoinks... that would definitely do it!
[17:30:33] <Bytram> how long ago was that?
[17:30:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake fyngyrz
[17:30:34] * MrPlow smakes fyngyrz upside the head with a loaded diaper
[17:30:37] <fyngyrz> integrated web client, too. Man I do not miss that job
[17:30:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> python is for fascists
[17:30:44] <Bytram> Fnord666: I warned ya!!
[17:30:49] <fyngyrz> lol
[17:30:52] <fyngyrz> doesn't matter
[17:31:10] <Bytram> ugh... f<tab> is gonna get poor Fnord666 all beat up
[17:31:40] <fyngyrz> You know what the most recent thing I did in that project was? Creating a clean way to invoke Python... from Perl. :)
[17:31:51] <Bytram> there is nobody with "z", though.
[17:31:56] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:32:32] <fyngyrz> "White space fascists"
[17:32:35] <Bytram> zrygnyf
[17:32:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[17:32:53] <fyngyrz> guilty as charged
[17:33:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> it only exacerbates the whole spaces vs tabs war
[17:33:21] <Bytram> if they just used curly braces I'd have been all over it from the start!
[17:33:27] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[17:33:27] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 13
[17:33:50] <fyngyrz> There's no war here. I'm the boss. It's done the way I say. IOW, "I win."
[17:34:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha!
[17:34:08] <Bytram> heh
[17:34:25] * Bytram restrains temptation to .kick fyngyrz
[17:34:27] <fyngyrz> and it's _definitely_ tabs
[17:34:38] <Bytram> fyngyrz: s/tab/space/
[17:34:40] <exec> <Bytram> <fyngyrz> and it's _definitely_ spaces
[17:34:41] <fyngyrz> Iand 4/tab, too
[17:34:50] <fyngyrz> and 4/tab, too
[17:34:57] * Bytram chuckles
[17:35:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly. spaces are for in between shat. tabs are for layout.
[17:35:12] * Bytram is also hungry... time to get some grub together.
[17:35:16] <Bytram> will be back in a bit
[17:35:17] <fyngyrz> consistency is only the hallmark of small minds when you _have_ a small mind
[17:35:21] <fyngyrz> later
[17:35:24] <Bytram> nope
[17:35:41] <Bytram> a *foolish* consistency is the hobgoblin of simple minds. --emerson
[17:35:55] <Bytram> IIRC
[17:36:08] <fyngyrz> TheMightyBuzzard++
[17:36:08] <Bytram> #g a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of simple minds emerson
[17:36:08] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 14
[17:36:09] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "It contains the most thorough statement of one of Emerson's recurrent themes: the need for each individual to avoid conformity and false consistency, and follow their own instincts and ideas. It is the source of one of Emerson's most famous quotations: \"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little ..."
[17:36:10] * TheMightyBuzzard goes back to trying to convince his kernel that his network card does in fact support 1000baseTx-FD
[17:36:11] <upstart> ^ 03Self-Reliance - Wikipedia
[17:36:22] <Bytram> hmm, looks like I had it wrong, too.
[17:36:35] <fyngyrz> I wasn't quoting so much as rephrasing
[17:36:37] <fyngyrz> but yeah
[17:36:48] <Bytram> "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
[17:37:03] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:37:05] <Bytram> biab
[17:37:10] <fyngyrz> l8r
[17:54:50] <fyngyrz> Reading the editor's guide stuff... UK English gives me the colllywobbles. I wonder, do we have UK editors, folks who are competent / willing to do UK editing? Me, I see "colour", I get tunnel vision.
[17:55:17] <fyngyrz> My skills are definitely limited to American English
[17:55:43] <fyngyrz> WRT UK English, they mutate from "skills" to "formalized abuse"
[17:56:52] <Bytram> long time no see, but "n1" akak "nick" hailed from there, and janrinok is also from across the pond, so quite skilled therewith. for me, I have no problems with it after having had sufficient exposure.
[17:57:03] <Bytram> s/akak/aka/
[17:57:05] <exec> <Bytram> long time no see, but "n1" aka "nick" hailed from there, and janrinok is also from across the pond, so quite skilled therewith. for me, I have no problems with it after having had sufficient exposure.
[18:00:55] <fyngyrz> it's probably best if I simply don't edit UK English
[18:03:39] <fyngyrz> It's very... interesting... that the site encourages release level TFS' in both forms.
[18:05:28] <Bytram> international audience, international source... can't rely favour one over the other
[18:05:53] <fyngyrz> Sure you can. The decision's been made to not do so - not the same thing.
[18:06:48] <fyngyrz> Arguments can be made for one or the other. UK English is in extremely broad use, country-wise; but it puts off US readers (I own a literary agency... we've dug into this quite deeply.)
[18:07:20] <fyngyrz> US English collects a very large audience. The UK itself is quite small, but UK English... isn't.
[18:07:58] <fyngyrz> anyway. Still. Best if I don't even try. Don't want my head to 'splode
[18:08:16] <fyngyrz> I spend hours every day digging that stuff out of manuscripts.
[18:08:49] <Bytram> well, the site IS for the community, and that is what was agreed to when we got started... it is certainly open to being revisited. the one to talk to would be our EiC: janrinok
[18:09:16] <fyngyrz> oh, I'm not interested in making waves. I'm interested in fitting in where I reasonably can
[18:09:23] <fyngyrz> hence I brought it up
[18:09:28] <Bytram> fyngyrz++
[18:09:28] <Bender> karma - fyngyrz: 1
[18:09:31] <Bytram> =)
[18:09:40] <fyngyrz> lol
[18:10:22] <Bytram> all us-english would be fine for me, but I kinda like the occasional spot of "Briticism"
[18:10:23] <fyngyrz> yay, I got Karma
[18:10:32] <Bytram> fyngyrz--
[18:10:32] <Bender> karma - fyngyrz: 0
[18:10:40] <Bytram> easy come...
[18:10:50] <Bytram> just as an example
[18:10:50] <fyngyrz> IT reminds me of Monty Python, which is a good thing when funny, but not when it's supposed to be serious, which is mostly
[18:10:54] <Bytram> fyngyrz++
[18:10:54] <Bender> karma - fyngyrz: 1
[18:11:03] <fyngyrz> I see how you are
[18:11:25] <Bytram> long ago came upon a saying that goes something like this:
[18:11:26] <fyngyrz> No pre-incement? Philistines...
[18:11:36] <fyngyrz> No pre-increment? Philistines...
[18:11:45] <Bytram> "Tell me and I will forget. Show me and I may remember. Involve me and I will understand."
[18:11:58] <fyngyrz> nice
[18:12:04] <Bytram> (foo)++
[18:12:04] <Bender> karma - (foo): 1
[18:12:08] <fyngyrz> I'm That Guy
[18:12:30] <fyngyrz> plus, old. That whole forgetful thing is coming along nicely.
[18:12:42] <Bytram> huh?
[18:12:47] <Bytram> ;)
[18:12:50] <fyngyrz> right
[18:13:08] <fyngyrz> s/right/right-o/
[18:13:09] <exec> <fyngyrz> right-o
[18:13:09] * Bytram is *approaching* old, but is not yet ready to give in
[18:13:25] <Bytram> is there a wrong o?
[18:13:33] <Bytram> brb
[18:14:52] <Bytram> when you have a chance, try these in the #Soylent channel:
[18:14:58] <Bytram> poutine--
[18:14:58] <Bender> karma - poutine: -1
[18:15:01] <Bytram> coffee++
[18:15:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 84
[18:15:06] <Bytram> coffee--
[18:15:06] <Bender> karma - tea: 31
[18:15:10] <Bytram> =)
[18:16:14] <fyngyrz> why the hate for poutine? (lives near Canada)
[18:17:26] <Bytram> it's not for the 'delicacy'; it's for the troll who used to frequent that channel and used that as his nick]
[18:17:43] <fyngyrz> ah
[18:18:08] <fyngyrz> if he's gone, perhaps it's time to delete the nick and zero the karma :)
[18:18:18] <fyngyrz> {s)he
[18:18:22] <Bytram> take another look in the channel
[18:18:46] <Bytram> fyngyrz: s/^./(/
[18:18:48] <exec> <Bytram> <fyngyrz> (s)he
[18:18:59] <fyngyrz> right, thanks
[18:19:03] <Bytram> ~seen poutine
[18:19:05] <exec> Bytram, poutine not seen in #editorial
[18:19:14] <Bytram> ~last poutine
[18:19:15] <exec> 03<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en" xml:lang="en"> <head> <title>Object not found!</title> <link rev="made" href="mailto:you@example.com" /> <style type="text/css"><![CDATA[/*><!--*/ body { color: #000000; background-color: #FFFFFF; } a:link { color: #0000CC; } p,
[18:19:15] <exec> http://chromas.0x.no
[18:19:28] <Bytram> .
[18:19:31] <Bytram> heh
[18:19:36] <Bytram> ~blame
[18:19:38] * exec points at Bytram
[18:30:28] <janrinok> I'm back!
[18:30:42] <janrinok> fyngyrz, hello to you if you are still here
[18:31:08] <fyngyrz> I am, and hello to you as well
[18:31:12] <Bytram> janrinok: front and center, of course!
[18:31:54] <fyngyrz> Juggling a few balls here, but that's why I have multiple monitors :)
[18:32:47] <janrinok> well I have 8 computers with a total of 10 screens, and that is not counting the RaspPis. I am also a Python man - spaces for the win!
[18:33:33] <fyngyrz> You're welcome to your spaces. You can have mine, I don't use 'em. :)
[18:34:27] <janrinok> so I noted on the backread. Python3 nowadays, don't use Python2 unless it is something that I wrote long time ago but have to update
[18:34:52] <fyngyrz> Haven't found a reason to go 3, myself. Probably will at some point.
[18:35:10] <janrinok> I was putting it off, and now wish I had made the change a long time ago
[18:35:42] <fyngyrz> I have oodles of source... tends to keep some weight on the brake pedal
[18:35:53] <janrinok> lol!
[18:36:19] <janrinok> What times are good for you for training? A specific time of the day, or weekends only, or what?
[18:37:26] <fyngyrz> I'm generally less committed in the mornings, while the people who work for me are still trying to absorb their caffeine and my own projects have not entrained all my wits
[18:37:27] <janrinok> I'm on UTC+1 but being retired means I can schedule stuff for most times during the day, although I have personal commitments as I have to look after my wife.
[18:37:37] <fyngyrz> sure
[18:38:07] <janrinok> you say you are on Mountain time, what is that relative to UTC?
[18:38:18] <Bytram> ~time MST
[18:38:20] <exec> Wednesday, 28 February 2018 @ 11:38 am MT - Mountain Time
[18:38:24] <fyngyrz> I'm sort of retired, but not really. I own several businesses, and have not managed to extricate myself from any of them.
[18:38:40] <fyngyrz> I think we're about +6, depending on DST
[18:38:53] <janrinok> ~time CET
[18:38:55] <exec> Wednesday, 28 February 2018 @ 7:38 pm CET - Central European Time
[18:39:09] <Bytram> (so it will change in about 11 days or so)
[18:39:12] <fyngyrz> it's 11:38 AM / and 18:39 UTC atm
[18:39:23] <fyngyrz> so +7
[18:39:32] <fyngyrz> atm
[18:40:06] <fyngyrz> [despises DST]
[18:40:26] <fyngyrz> man, I would love to get my macro language into a bot here. :)
[18:40:40] <janrinok> between 1700 and 1900'ish local time I have to cook the evening meal, and make sure my wife is fed etc. From about now for about 1.5 hours is good for me. When you say mornings do you mean when you get to work, difficult to guess if you are part retired
[18:41:19] <fyngyrz> I work from home; commute involves passing cats without spilling coffee
[18:41:29] <janrinok> I think that is -7 not + 7, unless you are talking about the Himalayas
[18:41:32] <fyngyrz> Morning is generally 6am onwards
[18:41:54] <fyngyrz> ~blame
[18:41:56] * exec points at Bytram
[18:42:03] <fyngyrz> huh
[18:42:04] <janrinok> you are catching on quick!
[18:42:08] <fyngyrz> not what I thought
[18:42:12] <Bytram> fyngyrz: so, how long ago was 6am for you?
[18:42:18] <janrinok> no, we always blame Bytram
[18:42:19] <fyngyrz> 5 hours
[18:42:25] <fyngyrz> oh, I see
[18:42:29] <Bytram> =)
[18:42:48] <Bytram> delta's are easier to work with than absolutes
[18:42:58] <Bytram> at leawt when it comes to times and peoples
[18:42:59] <fyngyrz> k. Well, i't s 11:42 AM here
[18:43:15] <janrinok> Bytram, have you any slack in your day for training, or are you maxed out at the moment?
[18:43:33] <fyngyrz> at noon, I tend to vanish for a while, where "while" is a random variable influenced by the approach of the ghost planet, ChicksDigIt
[18:43:46] <Bytram> here's the thing, I do not use the takyon addon... i am just a plain vanilla kind of guy...
[18:44:06] <janrinok> I don't see that being a problem.
[18:44:09] <fyngyrz> what does training involve, other than not being a dick?
[18:44:32] <Bytram> I have today & tomorrow off from work, but I have procrastinated on a bunch of thjings on the home front for to long and really need to get caught up on things
[18:44:40] <Bytram> otoh, I am on vacation nexrt week
[18:44:47] <janrinok> well, I know you have been given a few pages to read, but until you actually start editing on dev it probably won't make much sense
[18:44:57] <fyngyrz> well, I'll be around pretty much no matter what, and you can always ping my email
[18:45:06] <fyngyrz> I read them. All of them.
[18:45:07] <Bytram> hmmm
[18:45:20] <janrinok> so did I, but did you understand them?
[18:45:41] <fyngyrz> Makes perfect sense to me; I own a literary agency, I edit all day, plus I write manuals. Yes, I think I understood everything pretty well.
[18:46:15] <janrinok> well, you've passed then. You can start tomorrow! :)
[18:46:27] <fyngyrz> The only policy that set me back was the UK thing, but like I said, best if I don't even try.
[18:46:28] <Bytram> optimism++
[18:46:28] <Bender> karma - optimism: 1
[18:46:40] <fyngyrz> unjustifiedoptimism++
[18:46:40] <Bender> karma - unjustifiedoptimism: 1
[18:46:58] <Bytram> irrationalexuberance
[18:47:05] <Bytram> biab dishes
[18:47:10] <fyngyrz> [watches +Bytam dance]
[18:47:14] <fyngyrz> crap
[18:47:16] <janrinok> log onto dev when I best suits you. pick a submission, and just accept it as is. Transfer it to the stories queue, and then start playing with the colours
[18:47:20] <fyngyrz> typos, sigh
[18:48:00] <fyngyrz> okay. This afternoon, if the creek doesn't get in the basement
[18:48:50] <janrinok> not sure what you mean by the UK thing. The language in use depends entirely on the source material. As we aim to never change quoted material then there is no point in going through it making spelling corrections - in fact you mustn't do that.
[18:49:48] <janrinok> as we get subs from all over the English speaking world we have to change dictionaries fairly frequently
[18:50:27] <fyngyrz> comments above
[18:51:16] <fyngyrz> TLDR: I am *deeply* invested in US English, I edit UK English _out_ all day, every day. I'm not good with it. So best I avoid it.
[18:51:25] <janrinok> Ah, OK, I think I see what you are getting at. Take is as hearing the British accent. I might live in France but I am a Brit
[18:51:47] <janrinok> *Take it
[18:52:51] <janrinok> I'll look at my next few days and see if I can work out a convenient time for us to get together on dev.
[18:53:17] <fyngyrz> so, when you say "accept" the story... there's no accept on the page you go to when you select the story from the queue
[18:53:26] <fyngyrz> there's a preview, and an update
[18:54:02] <fyngyrz> Looking at the submission preview page - that was the first landing point
[18:54:20] <fyngyrz> I believe this is the quick editor
[18:54:24] <janrinok> when you go to the submission page click on the submission title. That will open you up in a very rudimentary editing window
[18:54:39] <fyngyrz> (BEP)
[18:54:49] <fyngyrz> right, I am there
[18:55:25] <fyngyrz> okay, in preview now
[18:55:28] <janrinok> At the bottom of the page you have the option to accept the story once you have filled in the essential fields. Until that point you only have a review option
[18:55:30] <fyngyrz> (MEP)
[18:56:12] <fyngyrz> There's a save, but no "accept"
[18:56:27] <fyngyrz> is that what you mean by accept? Save, that is?
[18:56:34] <janrinok> you have to give it a Topic if it hasn't already got one, we normally do other things too but don't worry about them yet. 'Save' is it - it puts it into the story queue
[18:56:54] <fyngyrz> gotcha. Terminology vs. UI
[18:57:26] <janrinok> and it sometimes changes depending on how you get to a specific screen - this is cutting edge 1990's stuff here
[18:58:23] <fyngyrz> okay. So it's saved /a ccepted. I will now edit it, which it needs. :)
[18:58:35] <janrinok> It is best to leave the actually editing of a submission until I can talk you through it, or if you want you can try to follow the editing notes
[18:59:26] <janrinok> Normally we edit it before we Save it. But you should now see the story you saved on the story queue page?
[19:00:16] <janrinok> and I can see you are working on the Third Party Web Content. If you want to do a quick hour now we should join the #edtrain channel
[19:02:52] <fyngyrz> okay, I've finished a first pass now. Fixed the byline, a couple of typos, checked the links. Comments?
[19:03:02] <fyngyrz> k, moving to channel
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[19:11:10] -!- mode/#editorial [+v INLinuxdude] by Hephaestus
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[19:33:57] <janrinok> ~gday CH
[19:33:59] * exec faithfully merges some cream of filthy lucre with CH
[19:35:02] <janrinok> gtg - see you guys
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[20:23:53] -!- mode/#editorial [+v mrpg] by Hephaestus
[20:24:31] <mrpg> 2 stories in the queue, dont worry, I'm on it.
[20:25:29] <mrpg> But first, ground meat and rice!
[20:35:35] <mrpg> Ok, I'll do this: More than 100 cities across the globe are now mostly powered by renewable
[20:35:46] <mrpg> But first, tajadas!
[20:35:48] <mrpg> #g tajadas
[20:35:49] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Tajada \"slices\" is a dish of fried plantains that are sliced long. It is a typical food of Caribbean countries including Nicaragua, Colombia, Honduras, Panama, and Venezuela. It is sometimes served with grated cheese. See also[edit]. Aborrajado · Patacón. References[edit]. Jump up ^ Tajada About.com. Stub icon ..."
[20:35:49] <upstart> ^ 03Tajada - Wikipedia
[20:49:47] <mrpg> My story. I set the date to feb 29. It dissapeared into the ehter.
[20:49:49] <mrpg> ether
[20:51:19] <mrpg> I broke the web site.
[20:54:46] <mrpg> Found it: posted by mrpg on Wed December 31, 08:00 PM
[20:54:54] <mrpg> I'll change it to march 1
[20:59:01] <mrpg> ready no wI'll check NK accused of something
[21:07:08] <mrpg> North Korea Accused of Providing Materials to Syria Chemical Weapons Factories - ready
[21:09:06] <mrpg> Barbra streisand cloned her dog...
[21:09:31] <mrpg> hm... I'll pass.
[21:09:57] <mrpg> I think I'll do this: Stereotypes About College Students And Free Speech Are False
[21:10:43] <mrpg> Nice, but I'll pass.
[21:10:57] <mrpg> But remember, #freearistarchus!!!
[21:11:30] <mrpg> I'll do this: Widespread Vulnerability Found in Single-Sign-on Products
[21:11:53] <mrpg> This stuff is like raining over a wet floor. Is that an expression in English? it is in Spanish;:
[21:12:00] <mrpg> #g llueve sobre mojado
[21:12:01] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com - "16 Oct 2010 ... Para los que conocen la buena musica y para los que la quieren conocer."
[21:12:02] <upstart> ^ 03Llueve sobre mojado Fito Paez y Joaquin Sabina - YouTube
[21:16:03] <mrpg> Widespread Vulnerability Found in Single-Sign-on Products - READY
[21:16:11] <mrpg> load"*",8,1
[21:16:14] <mrpg> ready
[21:16:14] <mrpg> run
[21:18:08] <mrpg> String right-wing views may be driven by a fear of disease. - hahahaha
[21:18:20] <mrpg> I'll do this, if you dont like it, nuke it from orbit :)
[21:19:19] <mrpg> #
[21:19:28] <mrpg> !
[21:19:41] <mrpg> #help
[21:19:41] <MrPlow> Commands: help, weatheradd, weather, submit, seen, smake, smakeadd, youtube, abuser, bot, admin, socialist, roll, bnk, join, part, tell, klingon, g, sammich, sammichadd, say, pissoff, dieinafire, quit, nelson
[21:19:58] <mrpg> #roll
[21:19:59] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[21:20:07] <mrpg> #roll
[21:20:07] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[21:20:10] <mrpg> #roll
[21:20:10] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[21:20:14] <mrpg> #roll
[21:20:14] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[21:20:22] <mrpg> You kiddig me?
[21:20:25] <mrpg> #roll
[21:20:25] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[21:20:42] <mrpg> #roll 1d5
[21:20:42] <MrPlow> pass 1: 1
[21:20:58] <mrpg> #nelson
[21:20:58] <MrPlow> HA HA!
[21:21:07] <mrpg> #dieinafire
[21:21:20] <mrpg> #dieinafire exec
[21:21:37] <mrpg> #seen
[21:21:37] <MrPlow> #seen <nick>
[21:21:48] <mrpg> #seen soyvaca
[21:21:48] <MrPlow> Sorry, I have not seen soyvaca
[21:21:58] <mrpg> #seen mrpg
[21:21:58] <MrPlow> [2018-02-28 21:21:48] #editorial <mrpg> #seen soyvaca
[21:22:23] <mrpg> #seen bytram
[21:22:23] <MrPlow> [2018-02-28 19:33:22] #soylent <Bytram> huh?
[21:22:33] <mrpg> mrpg:
[21:24:21] <mrpg> #seen fyngyrz
[21:24:21] <MrPlow> [2018-02-28 19:03:02] #editorial <fyngyrz> k, moving to channel
[21:44:35] <mrpg> hello w
[21:44:40] <mrpg> s/w/world/
[21:44:42] <exec> <mrpg> hello world
[21:45:49] <mrpg> I've been changing some PHP I wrote years ago, from mysql__ to PDO. It's been half fun.
[21:46:07] <mrpg> Run, break, fix, breaks again, fix, breaks, read the logs, fix, works.
[21:46:46] <mrpg> Luckily is a local server. When I've had to work remotely that is a paaaaiiinnnnnn to wait to download, upload, reload, grrr
[22:02:08] <mrpg> String right-wing Views May Be Driven by a Fear of Disease - ready
[22:02:20] <mrpg> I copy-paste and get these tabs.
[22:02:48] <mrpg> lets do Spotify Files for IPO After Losing $1.5 Billion in 2017
[22:05:01] <mrpg> spotify - ready
[22:05:24] <mrpg> Enough. Now I'm going to play with PDO for 5 minutes.
[23:11:28] * chromas checks in, but he doesn't check out
[23:26:59] <mrpg> bytram: I set a release date with seconds, it ignores it. When I try to edit it again it says 00 seconds.