#editorial | Logs for 2018-02-25

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[20:12:39] * exec unwillingly reticulates The Cloud of toejam for all
[20:12:37] <mrpg> ~gnight all
[20:12:27] <mrpg> Enough. Bye good night
[20:00:51] <mrpg> Blockchain Nears Peak Hype: UK Politicos To Probe Crypto-Coin - ready
[19:34:27] <mrpg> janrinok: thanks, good night, hope to see you later too.
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[19:33:39] <janrinok> have a good one mrpg - hope to see you back on here soon
[19:33:21] <janrinok> gtg - it's that time again
[19:28:44] <mrpg> ok
[19:24:25] <janrinok> no, go for it.
[19:19:38] <mrpg> How about this submission of blockchain near peak hype? are we fed up with blockchain stuff yet?
[19:17:52] <mrpg> U.S. law to Snoop on Citizens' Info Stored Abroad - ready
[19:17:41] <Fnord666> technically they are….
[19:16:56] <janrinok> she is never sure if I am just making these names up ...
[19:16:51] <Fnord666> :)
[19:16:23] <janrinok> S sends a hug back
[19:16:14] <mrpg> bye have fun thanks
[19:16:10] <Fnord666> thanks.
[19:16:03] <janrinok> Thanks I will, have a good one yourself
[19:15:55] <Fnord666> ttyl mrpg. Happy editing!
[19:15:39] <Fnord666> Good seeing you janrinok. Give S a hug for me.
[19:15:25] <Fnord666> I will talk to you all later.
[19:15:16] <Fnord666> welp, gotta run some errands before they day is completely gone.
[19:14:57] <mrpg> oh, stop it, you killing me attorney general!
[19:14:23] <mrpg> ...while ensuring that privacy and civil liberties are respected... hahahaha
[19:11:35] <mrpg> hehehe
[19:10:35] <janrinok> you,ve got Trump, religion, global warming and science in the one story - Bingo!
[19:09:06] <janrinok> Well the Pruitt story should generate a bit of friction!
[19:07:19] <mrpg> Now I'll do this " US State Legal Supremos Show Lots Of Love For Proposed Cloud Act "
[19:06:35] <mrpg> Scott Pruitt Cited the Bible to Defend his Oil-friendly Policies - ready
[19:00:56] <janrinok> k
[19:00:52] <mrpg> The religious one
[19:00:40] <janrinok> Lent the religious festival or lent as in I lent him a book?
[19:00:17] <mrpg> ¡Cuaresma! ok
[19:00:06] <mrpg> not yet, Im trying to translate lent to Spanish.
[18:59:24] <janrinok> you having fun?
[18:58:55] <MrPlow> bender, you're a socialist!
[18:58:55] <mrpg> #socialist bender
[18:58:26] <MrPlow> Has half of a libertarian debate. #socialist <nick>
[18:58:26] <mrpg> #socialist
[18:58:11] <MrPlow> Commands: help, weatheradd, weather, submit, seen, smake, smakeadd, youtube, abuser, bot, admin, socialist, roll, bnk, join, part, tell, klingon, g, sammich, sammichadd, say, pissoff, dieinafire, quit, nelson
[18:58:11] <mrpg> #help
[18:58:00] <mrpg> #translate
[18:57:39] <upstart> ^ 03Lent - Wikipedia
[18:57:38] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Lent (Latin: Quadragesima: Fortieth) is a solemn religious observance in the Christian liturgical calendar that begins on Ash Wednesday and ends approximately six weeks later, before Easter Sunday. The purpose of Lent is the preparation of the believer for Easter through prayer, doing penance, mortifying the flesh, ..."
[18:57:38] <mrpg> #g lent
[18:53:46] <mrpg> haha right
[18:48:16] <janrinok> well, that is their loss then, and probably yours when it comes to the job :)
[18:48:00] <exec> └─ 13US Environmental policies driven by the bible. : SoylentNews Submission
[18:47:58] <upstart> ^ 03US Environmental policies driven by the bible. : SoylentNews Submission
[18:47:57] <mrpg> I'm gonna do this one: https://soylentnews.org
[18:47:52] <mrpg> But they wont create an account first.
[18:47:39] <janrinok> the colour of the display is user selectable
[18:47:16] <mrpg> With the word "editor" yes, with the actual content yes, but not with the red color of the site :)
[18:46:49] <janrinok> lol - I'm sure that they will be suitably impressed
[18:46:19] <mrpg> Editor at soylentnews.org
[18:46:09] <mrpg> Well, in actual fact, it is in my CV.
[18:45:57] <Fnord666> or scrotums
[18:45:44] <janrinok> just sayin'
[18:45:40] <janrinok> prolly best you don't mention the site during that interview
[18:45:18] <Fnord666> I can see where scrotum would be helpful then
[18:44:46] <mrpg> It is for me, I'm learning English, for my next job interview at the embassy of the US :-)
[18:44:36] <Fnord666> learn something new every day they said....
[18:44:23] <Fnord666> lol
[18:44:19] <janrinok> What an educational discussion we are having this evening ...
[18:43:52] <Fnord666> :)
[18:43:39] <mrpg> aaaaah
[18:43:32] <upstart> ^ 03Urban Dictionary: scrote
[18:43:31] <MrPlow> https://www.urbandictionary.com - "noun- Literally short for scrotum. When a person, usually a male, is so useless and insignificant that they do not deserve the tiny effort it takes to spit out a second offensive syllable; less than a scrotum."
[18:43:30] <mrpg> #g scrote
[18:43:27] <mrpg> no, it says scrote
[18:43:06] <mrpg> To steal: kiped some cherries from the bar
[18:42:35] <upstart> ^ 03Scrotum - Wikipedia
[18:42:35] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "The scrotum is an anatomical male reproductive structure that consists of a suspended dual-chambered sack of skin and smooth muscle that is present in most terrestrial male mammals and located under the penis. One testis is typically lower than the other to avoid compression in the event of impact. The perineal raphe is ..."
[18:42:34] <Fnord666> #g scrotum
[18:42:29] <Fnord666> #scrotum
[18:42:23] <upstart> ^ 03Kipe | Define Kipe at Dictionary.com
[18:42:23] <MrPlow> http://www.dictionary.com - "Kipe definition at Dictionary.com, a free online dictionary with pronunciation, synonyms and translation. Look it up now!"
[18:42:22] <mrpg> #g kipe
[18:42:11] <janrinok> I didn't know what it meant either, but I thought that by staying quiet I might get away with it
[18:42:04] <mrpg> I dont know what is a scrote either :) haha but thnaks, hello.
[18:41:46] <mrpg> I dont know the verb kipes but thank you :-)
[18:41:16] * exec unjustifiably cracks open a scrote of glass for mrpg
[18:41:14] <Fnord666> ~gday mrpg
[18:41:01] * exec sardonically kipes a snapshot of vibrators from mrpg
[18:40:59] <janrinok> ~gday mrpg
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[18:40:07] <Fnord666> Sometimes they take the kids for a drag
[18:39:05] <janrinok> there is that downside to it, true
[18:38:53] <Fnord666> yeah, they eat big and poop big!
[18:38:18] <janrinok> the sort of dog that will take children for a walk, whether they want to or not
[18:37:51] <janrinok> that is going to be one big dog when it grows up!
[18:37:31] <Fnord666> I noticed that
[18:37:01] <janrinok> it certainly does. I hope that we cheered cmn up earlier on - he was not in a good mood when he first came online
[18:36:20] <Fnord666> yeah, RL seems to have a habit of getting in the way….
[18:36:06] <Fnord666> That update to Arthur sounds like a good idea too
[18:35:53] <janrinok> I've been working on 0.3 for over 8 months here, but I have not had as much time as I would have liked as you well know
[18:35:31] <Fnord666> ok. thanks
[18:35:23] <janrinok> Let me get this one sorted out and I'll update you
[18:35:20] <Fnord666> and I think you’re up to 0.3x now
[18:35:05] <Fnord666> I think the version you shared with me was a 0.2x
[18:34:49] <janrinok> I also intend changing the layout of the submission that Arthur produces, putting all the headings at the end, to make it easier to edit and release.
[18:33:27] <janrinok> I think you might be using an old version - I don't remember updating it 'recently', but my memory is faulty so I might have done an increment along the line somewhere
[18:32:36] <janrinok> well, it is still not fully automatic, but I have improved the searching, and will now concentrate on cleaning up the product
[18:32:32] <Fnord666> or at least updated the version number
[18:31:50] <Fnord666> Yep. I see that you’ve been making some updates to Storybot
[18:29:14] <janrinok> I note also that between us we have been making a fair number of submissions too
[18:28:27] <Fnord666> Also true
[18:28:11] <janrinok> well, it also frees us up to concentrate on getting stories processed without having to lose time 2nd'ing them
[18:27:25] <Fnord666> Seeing both steps of the process
[18:26:56] <Fnord666> I like that. They can compare the submission to the posted story before another editor gets it
[18:26:49] <janrinok> we'll have to see how it goes
[18:25:58] <janrinok> Bytram and I are trying something different for training. Get them on the prod as a 2nd ed and then slowly bring them to the full set of skills over a couple of more days. That way they become productive earlier
[18:25:47] <Fnord666> I had heard rumors of another…..
[18:24:44] <janrinok> there is another in the pipeline too, so hopefully we will be getting up to something like reasonable strength again soon
[18:24:25] <Fnord666> Looks like he’s doing well
[18:23:51] <Fnord666> That’s great that he’s willing to help
[18:23:12] <janrinok> did a training session with chromas this morning - he should be able to help on 2nd ed'ing within a day or two
[18:22:21] <Fnord666> That’s great to hear!
[18:22:10] <janrinok> yup, but I am better than I was so it's looking good!
[18:21:53] <Fnord666> It’s a process as they say
[18:21:40] <janrinok> nice to be back, although still got a few hurdles to get over in the next few months or so
[18:21:14] <Fnord666> Nice to have you back as well!
[18:21:05] <Fnord666> thank you
[18:20:58] <Fnord666> ah rum!
[18:20:50] <janrinok> you've been editing well over the last few weeks....
[18:20:39] * exec cromulently merges a tremendouns number of muchas grassy ass with janrinok
[18:20:38] <Fnord666> ~gday janrinok
[18:20:31] * exec romantically gives birth to a tinfoil hat of rum for Fnord666,
[18:20:29] <janrinok> ~gday Fnord666,
[18:19:35] <Fnord666> and howdy!
[18:19:05] <Fnord666> janrinok cmn32480 has headed off for a nap
[18:14:26] * janrinok is stuffed with chicken and veggies, S is happy too
[18:12:12] <janrinok> I'm back - still converting your db, cmn32480 ?
[17:19:25] <Fnord666> enjoy!
[17:14:19] <cmn32480> you ahve fun w/ furniture... I'm going to attempt a power nap for about 30 minutes
[17:13:55] <cmn32480> yes it si good to be the kinf
[17:13:50] <cmn32480> sorry got sidetracked by a kid
[17:12:55] <Fnord666> apologies. I’ll be biab. Apparently there’s some furniture moving going on here.
[17:12:19] <Fnord666> ??
[17:10:23] <Fnord666> Tis good to be the “king"
[17:10:01] <Fnord666> :)
[17:09:59] <cmn32480> and forced the owners to OK it
[17:09:50] <cmn32480> I know.. I made it
[17:09:46] <cmn32480> nope that is policy...
[17:09:38] <Fnord666> Sounds too reasonable to be corporate policy
[17:08:59] <cmn32480> unless it is driving distance, adn the weather looks to be good
[17:08:52] <Fnord666> of them
[17:08:34] <Fnord666> That’s nice
[17:08:34] <cmn32480> corporate policy... we dont' travel the week of Thanksgiving or Christmas
[17:08:19] <cmn32480> I did
[17:08:00] <Fnord666> Did you get to spend the holidays at home?
[17:06:50] <cmn32480> been home for a while, but i'm getting ready ot head out on the raoad
[17:06:46] <Fnord666> That’s good to hear.
[17:06:18] <cmn32480> other than the usual.. and the annoying crap like this weekend that could have been avoided... I've been pretty good
[17:05:24] <Fnord666> Yourself?
[17:05:02] <cmn32480> glad things have been good
[17:04:42] <Fnord666> a quick bout with a sinus infection but other than that...
[17:04:09] <Fnord666> I have been reasonably well
[17:04:00] <Fnord666> ah puppies.
[17:04:00] <cmn32480> how you been Fnord?
[17:03:06] <cmn32480> as soon as the bitey stage is over... we'll be in a much better fram of mind
[17:02:58] <Fnord666> a good combination
[17:01:55] <cmn32480> she is friendly... smart... drooly
[17:01:44] <Fnord666> :)
[17:00:40] <cmn32480> pop is a human,,,, jsut like me!
[17:00:34] <Fnord666> ah, nice
[17:00:27] <cmn32480> Newfoundland
[17:00:25] <Fnord666> pup?
[17:00:20] <Fnord666> What breed is the pop?
[16:59:55] <Fnord666> playing
[16:59:50] <Fnord666> These warm days are plaing hell with the flowers. They’re quite confused about whether it’s spring or not
[16:59:05] * cmn32480 prefers not to think abotu the yard quite yet
[16:58:23] <Fnord666> Yup.
[16:57:36] <cmn32480> it is goign to be quite the mess when i ahve to think about grass in a month or two
[16:57:17] <cmn32480> i know.. I'm out on it every couple hours with the pooch
[16:57:00] <Fnord666> yup. The yard is like walking on a soaked sponge
[16:56:46] <cmn32480> 'cuz jeebers!
[16:56:39] <cmn32480> no... but I been looking
[16:56:29] <Fnord666> You seen any good plans for building an Ark? :)
[16:54:27] <cmn32480> lol that's about right
[16:54:15] <Fnord666> The main difference is the attitude. Dogs have a family, cats think they have staff.
[16:53:15] <Fnord666> They tend to get that way
[16:52:56] <cmn32480> but I think it is becasue the cat is old and crotchety
[16:52:47] <cmn32480> she and the cat are not partiulary friendly at this point
[16:52:03] <cmn32480> that happens
[16:52:01] <cmn32480> yes
[16:51:47] <Fnord666> Now we’ve has a cat or two in the past that have climbed into a box and I’ve been tempted to tape it up and ship it to Timbukto
[16:51:12] <cmn32480> expectation is that she shoudl top out at about 130lbs
[16:51:02] <cmn32480> for another month or two
[16:50:52] <Fnord666> should fit nicely
[16:50:22] <cmn32480> about 45lbs
[16:50:18] <cmn32480> 4 months old
[16:50:13] <Fnord666> How big is your pup?
[16:49:33] <cmn32480> and just for scale... a pair of 25x20x4 furnace filters came in that box
[16:49:08] <cmn32480> exactly
[16:48:56] <Fnord666> lol - yeah goldfish don’t do a whole lot of cute
[16:48:12] <exec> └─ 13Imgur: The magic of the Internet
[16:48:10] <cmn32480> https://imgur.com
[16:48:09] <cmn32480> dog in a box
[16:47:43] <cmn32480> and way too big to get flushed
[16:47:35] <cmn32480> she's been pretty good for me in general
[16:47:27] <cmn32480> yeah
[16:47:21] <Fnord666> Dogs have a great way of doing things like that when you’re out of sorts
[16:44:54] <Fnord666> ugh
[16:42:29] <cmn32480> the dog in the box is the best thign that has happened since Friday
[16:42:15] <Fnord666> the pup on the other hand…
[16:41:21] <Fnord666> sounds like you’ve bee nhaving a lot of fun - not
[16:41:06] <cmn32480> my dog just got inside a very large Amazon box and has made herself quite comforatble
[16:40:26] <cmn32480> well.. least I don't feel like kicking puppies anymore.. so that si a plus
[16:40:26] <Fnord666> don’t worry it feels better when you stop
[16:39:56] * cmn32480 bangs his head on the desk
[16:39:10] <Fnord666> saw that in the back scroll
[16:38:36] <cmn32480> janrinok is only lurking.... last I saw he was off to prepare dinner... a nice roast chicken with fresh veggies
[16:38:32] <Fnord666> hey cmn32480 I would ask how you’re doing but I think you answered it.
[16:37:58] <Fnord666> Howdy cmn32480 janrinok
[16:37:34] * cmn32480 sin't sure if it is mornign or afternoon... or even the day
[16:37:20] <cmn32480> heya Fnord666
[16:36:36] <Fnord666> Good morning/afternoon all!
[16:10:34] * cmn32480 skulking
[16:10:25] * janrinok lurking
[16:10:21] <cmn32480> pending errors
[16:10:19] <janrinok> lol!
[16:10:15] <cmn32480> it says 11 hours left
[16:10:04] <janrinok> np - will be back on later when you will prolly still be waiting for it to update ....
[16:09:49] <cmn32480> I needed it
[16:09:35] <cmn32480> thanks for pulling me out of my mood
[16:09:33] <janrinok> enjoyed the chat, and you have had a hug don't get greedy! My best to J and Willow. and a tickle for the kids
[16:09:26] <cmn32480> and a hug for yo too
[16:09:00] <cmn32480> and a slobber from Willow
[16:08:53] <cmn32480> give her my love
[16:08:50] <cmn32480> ok
[16:08:45] <janrinok> I've got to go - S will be getting hungry in an hour or so
[16:08:12] <cmn32480> duh?
[16:07:36] <janrinok> and you helped out by eating whatever was left...
[16:07:34] <cmn32480> one pushed the plate aside and said "you know I don't like chicken"
[16:07:13] <cmn32480> one ate all but the carrots
[16:07:04] <cmn32480> 1 ate all but the peas
[16:06:56] <cmn32480> sort of
[16:06:46] <janrinok> do the kids like it too?
[16:06:32] <cmn32480> always better the second day
[16:06:23] <cmn32480> after a night in the fridge for all the flavors to meld
[16:06:21] <janrinok> I'm sure it was. and I'm sure it will be
[16:06:09] <cmn32480> be even better today
[16:06:03] <cmn32480> it was quite good
[16:05:52] <janrinok> my mouth is watering now
[16:05:40] <cmn32480> we made chicken and fresh dumplin's last night
[16:05:38] <janrinok> hopefully, it is always good.
[16:05:29] <cmn32480> nice
[16:05:22] <janrinok> traditional style roast chicken with veggies
[16:05:10] <cmn32480> anythign good?
[16:05:06] <cmn32480> so what's for dinner tonight?
[16:03:32] <cmn32480> security through IUGFEPITGG
[16:03:19] <janrinok> I'd worked it out - I'm used to your typing now - and you can't blame the dog for that. You always type encrypted
[16:03:00] <cmn32480> my eyes are stillall teary from the gas attack
[16:02:48] <cmn32480> *rehome
[16:02:41] <cmn32480> the SQL remoe will take aout an hour
[16:01:57] <cmn32480> figures
[16:01:43] * janrinok is rather pleased that cmn32480 cannot do that
[16:01:25] <janrinok> he's a good boy, and you know it
[16:01:23] * cmn32480 wishes he could shar this incredible trauma through Smell-O-Vision
[16:00:49] <cmn32480> the paint is peeling off the walls
[16:00:38] <cmn32480> Willow just crop dusted me
[16:00:32] <cmn32480> holy hell
[16:00:23] <cmn32480> so 55,000 documents later, I'll be able to rehome to SQL server
[16:00:18] <janrinok> bummer
[16:00:03] <cmn32480> after you chacnge the license keys to go up to the corporate edition, the software recreates EVERY quote in the system to embed the new license key for some reason
[15:59:26] <cmn32480> the problem is that the DB contains the link ot the documents which are stored elsewhere
[15:59:09] <cmn32480> not that large
[15:59:03] <cmn32480> it has greatly improved my mood
[15:58:56] <cmn32480> thank you for the diversion
[15:58:55] <janrinok> how big a db is it?
[15:58:46] <cmn32480> I'm sitting here watching the numbers on theis f**king upgrade increment ever so slowly
[15:58:26] <cmn32480> you are quite welcome
[15:58:21] <cmn32480> yeha, cowboy!
[15:58:12] <janrinok> I was going to do some programming this afternoon. but I have happily wasted the best part of an hour chatting to you. And I'll have to go start cooking dinner soon
[15:56:53] <janrinok> what makes you think I haven't got one?
[15:56:25] <cmn32480> we coudl get you a saddle
[15:56:04] <janrinok> yup, I'm around 4kg lighter
[15:50:34] <cmn32480> if memory servers.. that'd be bigger than you!
[15:50:09] <cmn32480> looks more like a small bear walking throuhg the field
[15:48:42] <janrinok> that is a lot of dog
[15:47:34] <cmn32480> 82kg
[15:47:24] <cmn32480> her breeder just posted that she is trying to home one of her breeding Newfoundlands...
[15:46:48] <janrinok> some of my weeds weigh about the same I reckon
[15:46:01] <cmn32480> she's about 20kg now
[15:45:33] <cmn32480> like the weeds in your garden
[15:45:26] <janrinok> its growing!
[15:45:16] <cmn32480> good point
[15:45:03] <janrinok> we have tiled floors throughout. It is easier for the wheelchair and to clean up after I piddle
[15:44:59] <cmn32480> that's current as of earlier this week
[15:44:52] <exec> └─ 13Imgur: The magic of the Internet
[15:44:51] <cmn32480> https://imgur.com
[15:44:21] <cmn32480> long as you dind't do it on the rug
[15:44:04] <janrinok> so am I, and I've had a piddle too. but not in the garden
[15:43:46] <cmn32480> had to take Willow out for a piddle
[15:43:40] <cmn32480> I'm back
[15:35:46] <cmn32480> we only do that if you are filming!
[15:31:54] <cmn32480> ok, Doctor... but I'm not wearing the skimpy outfit like the other day.
[15:31:31] <janrinok> brb nurse
[15:31:24] <cmn32480> i could not do this during the week
[15:31:15] <janrinok> the fact that they bought the wrong thing is their fault
[15:31:06] <cmn32480> so I've timed thigns to the point where I can at least cat nap between where I know the errors are going to be (sice I did run a test upgrade on a replica server
[15:30:46] <janrinok> so are the company billing them for weekend work rates, because you could have done this during the week
[15:30:16] <cmn32480> s
[15:30:15] <cmn32480> it has been in place 4 year
[15:29:51] <cmn32480> on a system that I dodn't get the credentials for until very recently.
[15:29:31] <janrinok> so they still claim it is your fault for letting them buy the wrong thing. Of course, I should have thought of that ...
[15:29:30] <cmn32480> and as this person is one who will never accpet blame, or acknowledge taht the failure was his... no that wasn't even offered
[15:28:46] <janrinok> yup
[15:28:38] <cmn32480> that would admit taking ownership of said error in initail judgement
[15:28:04] <cmn32480> the second 24hours does.. the first one doesn't
[15:27:55] <janrinok> can't they watch it and call you if it stops?
[15:27:47] <cmn32480> but if they get any errors, they stop.
[15:27:34] <cmn32480> and the two pieces that take the longest each run for about 24 hours
[15:27:18] <cmn32480> so to save about $1500 (which we now had to spend to upgrade the licenses), I've spent the last 48 hours upgerading this system from MS Access to SQL Server
[15:26:23] <janrinok> I can see several flaws
[15:26:22] <cmn32480> the "Corporate" version uses SQL server
[15:26:08] <cmn32480> *Pro
[15:26:06] <janrinok> I can see a flaw, but pray continue
[15:26:02] <cmn32480> so the PR version has an MSAccess DB as the back end
[15:25:48] <cmn32480> now note that this is a multi-user application
[15:25:35] <cmn32480> so this owner of the company implements the system adn to save a few $$ he gets the Pro version instead of the corporate version
[15:25:11] <janrinok> I'm getting the gist of it
[15:24:39] <cmn32480> silly little things like what is the back end DB that it talks to
[15:24:18] <cmn32480> so there was once this nimnob that decided to implement a system without talking to IT and without looking for any guidance as to the limitations of said system
[15:23:27] * cmn32480 will keep you in my prayers
[15:23:18] <janrinok> that's the plan
[15:23:11] <cmn32480> are they hopeful that this will resolve the fact that you sound like a frog with a frog that has laryngitis stuck in its throat?
[15:23:08] <janrinok> so, tell me more about babysitting servers. I love it when you talk dirty
[15:22:32] <janrinok> and so do we, my friend, so do we
[15:22:13] <cmn32480> semi-great minds think alike
[15:22:01] <janrinok> ninja'd
[15:21:54] <janrinok> but then, so is your waist
[15:21:54] <cmn32480> so is my beer belly
[15:21:47] <cmn32480> see?
[15:21:41] <janrinok> true, your kilt is much bigger than mine ...
[15:21:36] <cmn32480> that's good
[15:21:24] <janrinok> no she will still be here with help coming in - but it is only for 24 hours or so
[15:21:23] * cmn32480 saw the pictures... she lied to you, my friend
[15:21:02] <cmn32480> this all heppening while S is hanging out at her home away from home?
[15:20:53] <janrinok> I have a bigger everything than you have, or so J said
[15:20:36] <cmn32480> you must have a bigger blender than I do
[15:19:59] <janrinok> I can blend a pizza no problem
[15:19:48] <cmn32480> OH NO! Pizza day is out the window for a while
[15:19:48] <janrinok> No, I've already met some of my possible nurses and they will do for the short time I will be in there
[15:19:12] <janrinok> I won't be able to speak at all for 2 or 3 days, and I will be limited to blended food for a bit longer
[15:18:57] <cmn32480> somethign tells me they all look like Broom Hilda and not the ones in those naughty movies you sent me
[15:18:26] <cmn32480> WOOT!
[15:18:22] <janrinok> and I like nurses
[15:18:09] <cmn32480> well.. upside is that they can't really make you any uglier
[15:17:47] <cmn32480> ehh... she's the only one treats me nice... she cna have 2
[15:17:46] <janrinok> had the big chop years ago. They are operating on my throat this time - prolly going to cut my head off
[15:17:35] <cmn32480> Please give S one for me as well
[15:17:17] <janrinok> S sends you a hug, by the way. How is J and the tribe?
[15:17:05] <cmn32480> finally getting that vasectomy?
[15:16:52] <janrinok> I've got an operation planned for mid-March, but I should be able to continue on here
[15:16:36] <cmn32480> when we stop insulting you it means we don't love you anymore?
[15:16:21] <cmn32480> fair 'nuff
[15:16:14] <janrinok> every man for himself and be damned!
[15:15:54] <janrinok> lets start the way we normally continue
[15:15:53] * cmn32480 feel sbetter for not having been around much that the place hasn't burned down
[15:15:41] <cmn32480> good.
[15:15:40] <cmn32480> oh
[15:15:30] <cmn32480> nah just me stirring the pot
[15:15:29] <janrinok> oh, he will :) I've been doing it myself
[15:15:12] * cmn32480 is not so secretly hoping chromas see all the insults
[15:15:00] <janrinok> had no problem this am, but pm me if you have something I should know
[15:14:25] <cmn32480> just be careful... chromas is a little... um... off
[15:14:17] <janrinok> Once I am sure he wants to go live, I'll get him on prod
[15:13:55] <cmn32480> ok
[15:13:41] <janrinok> not bad - had a training session with chromas this morning. Marty and I chatted and decided to try to include 2nd ed'ing as part of the training.
[15:12:53] <cmn32480> yeah tht seems like a reasonably safe topic
[15:12:46] <cmn32480> how is you?
[15:12:11] <cmn32480> then my wife will kick me
[15:12:07] <cmn32480> no not my puppy
[15:11:47] <janrinok> I missed that too
[15:11:37] <cmn32480> apparently TMB's mood from the other day is catching
[15:11:37] <janrinok> not your puppy I hope
[15:11:29] * cmn32480 is considering kicking puppies today
[15:11:10] <janrinok> good to catch you in such a tolerant mood
[15:11:04] * exec presumably drops a whiff of logical phalluses on janrinok
[15:11:02] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[15:10:39] * exec derisively pairs a tin of lips & assholes with cmn32480
[15:10:36] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[15:10:23] <cmn32480> yeah... him too
[15:10:18] * exec points at Bytram
[15:10:16] <cmn32480> ~blame
[15:08:45] * cmn32480 blames janrinok for all of it
[15:07:57] <cmn32480> an frickin' servers with stupid jobs that need to be babysat for an emergency weekend upgrade 'cuz people were too stupid to think down the road when they bought the product
[15:06:17] <cmn32480> and young people
[15:05:59] <cmn32480> frickin' old people I sweart
[14:34:46] <janrinok> chromas, you still awake?
[12:22:07] * janrinok walks off muttering about not being able to get the staff nowadays
[12:21:30] <janrinok> lol
[12:21:26] <chromas> Oh noes!
[12:21:08] <janrinok> chromas - you should have put a note at the bottom of the story showing that it had been edited after release.... :)
[10:51:31] <chromas> Hm, shouldn't the admin's UI be called BackHash?
[10:42:21] * chromas updates with a dept plus Display and Fastforward checked to adjust release time to now even though it was already in the past
[10:40:53] * exec prematurely corrupts a +1 mace of beans & rice with chromas
[10:40:51] <janrinok> ~gday chromas
[10:40:37] <chromas> No splines for you! —the Spline Nazi
[10:40:34] * janrinok is lurking while cooking lunch
[10:40:24] * exec irresponsibly deletes a bottle of cubic splines from janrinok
[10:40:22] <chromas> ~g'night janrinok
[10:40:15] <janrinok> gtg, laters chromas - have a good sleep
[10:39:42] <janrinok> but it has hit the front page, so if you edit it now remember what else you should do
[10:39:24] <chromas> and it's back to gray
[10:39:13] * chromas hides it
[10:38:55] <janrinok> You changed the time to 0100 UTC and it is already 1038 UTC - so whamo! Front page!
[10:38:34] <chromas> oh no, and I forgot to add in some errors
[10:37:58] <janrinok> seems like it has gone out!
[10:37:03] <janrinok> or even 1100UTC hint hint
[10:36:42] <janrinok> ... unless you change the release time to 1200UTC ...
[10:36:21] <janrinok> I've got to go now. I suspect that you will be asleep when your story goes out :)
[10:35:43] <janrinok> as long as the story has been stopped then no harm is done.
[10:35:21] <janrinok> however, I am as guilty of not doing this as much as anyone.
[10:34:50] <janrinok> That way we know how to get in touch with you. It might mean that you are watching loads of windows but that is part of the task
[10:34:35] * chromas lurks in almost all the channels :)
[10:34:13] <janrinok> we recommend that you sit on this channel while editing, particularly in the early stages.
[10:33:47] <chromas> And pop in here and ask for help if needed.
[10:33:36] <janrinok> e.g. "Story stopped because it links to NSFW material--JR"
[10:33:00] <janrinok> If you have stopped a story, put an Editor's Note in there explaining why, and initial your note.
[10:32:03] <janrinok> as long as you know the uncheck Display you are OK. The rest can be done in slower time. incidentally, if you do stop a story and there are more in the queue all ready for release. consider moving one them into this slot so that there isn't a gap on the front page
[10:30:28] <chromas> Click Edit; uncheck Display; click Update; edit, then check Display and I suppose possibly reschedule it depending on the time it takes to edit.
[10:29:13] <janrinok> OK, and at 1500UTC it should hit the front page. But if you noticed a major error in it, how would you stop it?
[10:29:01] <chromas> Signed off by janrinok. Don't see any other changes.
[10:28:33] <chromas> I see it's green now.
[10:28:19] <janrinok> check its colour now - refresh the page
[10:27:58] <chromas> red
[10:27:53] * chromas doesn't remember if it stays yellow for him but changes green for anyone else
[10:27:42] <janrinok> if your story is yellow, what colour is it on my screen
[10:27:41] <chromas> It's my story and I'm sticking to it. If you second it, it should turn green right?
[10:27:04] <janrinok> why is your story yellow? What will happen if I 2nd it?
[10:25:48] * chromas edits date; checks Display; saves
[10:23:27] <janrinok> well, I suppose you could change your yellow story to grey by removing the Display tick
[10:22:38] <janrinok> Red means that another editor has done the first editor task, you can change the colour by doing a 2nd edit on it
[10:21:56] <janrinok> NOPE - Yellow indicates that you have done the first editor task. You cannot change the colour any further. Only a 2nd ed can do that
[10:21:46] * chromas loads it up
[10:21:27] <chromas> Red for single-author/no-seconding. Update for green
[10:21:14] <janrinok> OK, I have submitted a short story - 2 lines -. Please edit it and comply with the instructions in it. I'll look at it this afternoon, in a couple of hours time.
[10:21:05] <chromas> So gray for no-display. Check Display for yellow if it's my story, or green if it's not.
[10:19:47] <chromas> Seems like a little flag or colorizing the Date column could be useful
[10:19:09] <janrinok> OK, the only thing that tells you whether a story has gone live is the date time on the RHS of the page, and the comment count next to it!
[10:18:50] <chromas> (Technically, it's green now and wasn't before, since it had a single author.)
[10:18:26] <chromas> I set Twitter Syndication Test Story One to the future and I see it's still green, so that answers that question
[10:17:46] <chromas> Displayed but in the future
[10:17:06] <janrinok> and what do you mean by displayed but not-yet-live?
[10:16:53] * chromas has great memory. the best memory
[10:16:41] <chromas> oh yeah. sorry
[10:16:32] <janrinok> for visible use Displayed - otherwise you will confuse every other editor
[10:16:12] <chromas> Yellow for my posts. Red for non-seconded posts
[10:15:35] * chromas checks
[10:15:29] <chromas> Gray for non-visible. Check Visible and click Update for green, which is visible. Oh one thing I didn't check out is color of visible but not-yet-live
[10:14:29] <janrinok> e.g how many are there, what do they mean, how can you change from one to another
[10:13:51] <janrinok> OK, explain the colours to me
[10:13:21] <Bender> karma - lunch: 1
[10:13:21] <chromas> lunch++
[10:12:50] <janrinok> sounds like a plan!
[10:12:42] <chromas> No questions; I'm saving them up for just after you leave.
[10:11:47] <janrinok> I've got another 20 minutes or so available this morning before I have to go and cook our lunch. Do you want to practice for a bit, or have you got any burning questions?
[10:09:18] <janrinok> a bit of practice with it and you will find that is saves loads of time when editing, or at least I found that I did
[10:07:57] * chromas fills the Notes section with toilet glyphs
[10:06:00] <chromas> I switched to TamperMonkey and it works. Even got the proper title.
[10:04:01] <janrinok> perhaps that is a FF issue
[10:03:31] <chromas> Greasemonkey says it's active but no visible alteration of the page takes place. Maybe I should boot Pale Moon
[10:02:40] <janrinok> it shows up then as Soylent
[10:02:32] <janrinok> I normally download it somewhere, rename the script to Soylent.user.js, and then install it
[10:02:01] <chromas> Probably the new webextensions version is dumb
[10:01:47] <chromas> I clicked New User Script and got a tab with a place to paste the script and a save button. No place for naming
[10:01:40] <janrinok> ... but I might be talking crap again
[10:01:08] <janrinok> You might have to restart FF to get it to take
[10:00:48] <janrinok> did you save it as a yourscriptname.user.js?
[10:00:11] * chromas reloads the dev page
[10:00:05] <chromas> It's pasted in though.
[09:58:56] <chromas> Hm. I don't see a place to name the script. It's just "Unnamed Script"
[09:58:17] <janrinok> I have loads of 'useful' scripts that do not work with FF anymore. So I have abandoned it in favour of something that is more sane, at least to me
[09:57:02] <chromas> The new firefox version is hacky because of the webextensions api
[09:56:52] <janrinok> I have to be able to sit back and say 'Well, I told him not to do that' when people point fingers at me :)
[09:56:47] <chromas> (if you want)
[09:56:36] <chromas> At least you get real, authentic Tree Style Tabs
[09:56:10] <janrinok> my setup is very retro - MATE and Pale Moon. like the good ol' days
[09:55:58] <chromas> Oh, you don't have to think. Give me permissions on prod and watch the chaos
[09:55:48] <janrinok> can't help you on that - I am a Pale Moon user
[09:55:24] * chromas goes with the popular one
[09:55:15] <chromas> Firefox crashed while I was looking at tampermonkey vs greasemonkey
[09:55:05] <janrinok> go ahead - I will welcome a short break from thinking!
[09:54:47] <chromas> Was gonna
[09:54:29] <janrinok> are you installing it now?
[09:53:58] <janrinok> I had to tweak the latest script because it was putting buttons on every website, but there is a simple mechanism for limiting it to just SN pages to get round this problem
[09:52:19] <janrinok> The script makes editing much easier. It automagically lets you insert lists, links, blockquotes etc
[09:52:07] * chromas clicks the script's link
[09:51:54] <chromas> Firefox
[09:51:13] <janrinok> not sure which browser you are using though
[09:50:51] <janrinok> get it from his sig and it works under grease monkey and what has replaced grease monkey. It gives you loads of handy buttons and facilities. I use it extensively for editing
[09:50:03] <chromas> I don't.
[09:49:52] <janrinok> have you got Takyons javascript tool install (V14 is current)?
[09:49:37] <chromas> Well anyhow, I know how to use html tags so I won't be doing that anyway
[09:49:16] <chromas> Oh, now it did add one. I just didn't have enough lines before I guess
[09:49:03] <janrinok> doesn't do than on mine!
[09:48:30] <chromas> Oh, in the Intro Copy section, if I put in several blank lines, it sticks a <p> in it. The Extended Copy section doesn't do that.
[09:48:24] <janrinok> there shouldn't be any 'random' <p>s anywhere?
[09:47:58] <janrinok> not sure what you meant by that
[09:47:17] <janrinok> You will have to insert another </blockquote> in Intro and add <blockquote> at the start of Extended
[09:46:53] <chromas> (contrary to the Intro Copy section)
[09:46:44] <janrinok> If you are in the middle of <blockquote> and you move the text to extended, the portion that you move will NOT be in blockquote.
[09:46:33] <chromas> I notice the Extended Copy section doesn't get the semi-random <p>s thrown in by the software when there're multiple consecutive newlines.
[09:45:57] <janrinok> Secondly, on the editing page, any selections that are valid in the intro part do not apply to the extended part. For example:
[09:45:02] <janrinok> Firstly, you might have to rewrite the first few paragraphs so that they make sense as standalone text
[09:44:32] <janrinok> Where that boundary is can be subjective. So, if you think that the story that you are 2nd'ing is simply too long, consider splitting it but beware of a couple of pitfalls.
[09:43:35] <janrinok> Nobody wants to see a wall of text in a summary. So often we will limit the Intro Copy into a couple of essential paragraphs, and then put the remainder into the extended copy. That way the front page will show only the intro unless the reader selects Continue on that page
[09:42:08] <janrinok> something you might want to do is to cut a too-long story between Intro Copy and Extended Copy.
[09:40:42] <janrinok> Again, I usually do things manually anyway so I can't say that I have used the FastForward much. I have used it, but I don't recall what else I had to do. But seeing a grey colour would immediately get me to tick that box instinctively anyway
[09:39:44] <chromas> I see the note
[09:39:42] <chromas> Looks like it does not display.
[09:38:35] <janrinok> if you switch back to the stories page again. You will find that the story you are editing (and others) have '***' after the title. Hovering your mouse over this should show you the Editors Notes
[09:38:31] * chromas tests
[09:38:31] <chromas> And Fastforward to set it to now. Does that check the Display box too?
[09:37:15] <janrinok> Moving down the page make sure that the release date and time are sensible. Sometimes we will prepare a story for release many days in advance, to mark a specific anniversary or event. If you find a date that is out of sequence have a think about whether it is intentional or not. Usually, this would be a candidate for an Editors Note too
[09:34:36] <janrinok> the only clue might the IP hash, but it is not something that we usually check as a matter of course. If another ed has seen it, they will make a not of it. The notes stay with the sub/story forever
[09:33:21] <janrinok> but they are reformatting them so that it is not obvious.
[09:33:03] <janrinok> Recent examples include submissions that are coming from a company that is trying to garner political support - so not a genuine story and not something that we should be printing anyway. Another is when we get duplicate submissions that are trying to get to the front page
[09:31:29] <janrinok> Ignore these comments at your peril. Somebody might have spotted something that affects the way we process the story. Read them and check if any important in them has been overlooked
[09:30:26] <janrinok> from its arrival in the Submissions queue until editing the story will be looked at by numerous eds. They might each have additional information relevant to the story: a new link, a warning about the source, or whatever.
[09:30:14] * chromas put a note in there earlier
[09:29:31] <chromas> k
[09:29:21] <janrinok> OK, Editor's Notes....
[09:28:52] <chromas> In preview, I checked the "Ignore" box for "spoiler" and now it's gone from the suggestions list, so I guess that works
[09:28:39] <janrinok> not on my box.
[09:27:39] <chromas> it's in a section below the story
[09:27:08] <chromas> no sedbotting eh
[09:27:05] <janrinok> oh, it is a hyperlink ok, but it doesn't add the script to your main story
[09:26:57] <chromas> s/\)(.*)-/(\1)/
[09:26:36] <chromas> Works for me. "Related Stories" \n test )edit_
[09:26:13] <janrinok> nope - not on my box
[09:25:44] <janrinok> give it a try
[09:25:23] <janrinok> dunno - probably. This is the place to try it though
[09:25:17] <chromas> Ah.
[09:25:05] <janrinok> I read what it says, but I don't both ticking the ignore or related box
[09:25:02] <chromas> Checking the Related box adds it to "Related Stories" in the article posting?
[09:24:27] <janrinok> Similar and Related are stories that Rehash thinks are, well, similar and related. They are worth checking so that you can link to them, but more often than note Rehash is wrong.
[09:23:12] <chromas> We can move on. Though what about the Similar & Related? The Ignore column is to make it ignore certain key words?
[09:22:27] <janrinok> So, any more immediate questions or shall we move on to "Editor's Notes' box
[09:21:37] <janrinok> but apply commonsense. If you didn't know immediately what something meant, then somebody else will probably have the same problem
[09:20:53] <janrinok> I use something like "USA (United States of America)" if the abbreviation is used in the source and is not obvious, or "United States Of America (USA)" if I am going to use the abbreviation later in the story
[09:19:18] <janrinok> I don't use the <abbr> tags - I'm not even sure if they are accepted in Rehash. Quite a lot of tags are flushed out to make the site more secure
[09:18:08] <janrinok> Ed's comment underneath the story with a date time in it
[09:17:51] <janrinok> Once a story has been released though, make sure that you make it clear that edits have taken place since release - perhaps an Ed#
[09:17:12] <janrinok> If the story has been released - check the comments. Very often helpful commenters will tell us if we have got something wrong.
[09:16:50] <chromas> Is use of the <abbr> and similar tags halal and/or kosher? Or is it haram?
[09:16:29] <janrinok> the priority for 2nd eds is stories not yet released, then stories that are out but not checked.
[09:15:56] <janrinok> yep, ideally we want every story to be green before release, but we _should_ go back and 2nd stories that have already gone out.
[09:15:07] <chromas> But I still sign off on it if no one else has.
[09:15:06] <janrinok> right, back to the editing page again. We got a little ahead of ourselves and missed discussing the Editor's Notes box
[09:14:06] <janrinok> In an ideal world, of course, the 2nd ed should have nothing to do - that is OK too. No point in changing something just for the sake of it
[09:13:31] <janrinok> the 2nd's job is to help pick these things up
[09:13:11] <janrinok> these might seem like obvious things - but when an ed is rushing to put something on the front page then it is easy to overlook the obvious
[09:12:15] <janrinok> but using different dialects sometimes means that we have to explain abbreviations or unusual words. If when you are 2nd'ing a story it is not immediately obvious what is meant, then it probably needs editing and explaining in an Ed Comment
[09:10:49] <janrinok> when you have several sources in different dialects pick one - usually the lead source - and stick with that, but never change quoted material
[09:10:41] <chromas> Heh, usually Firefox wants me to change US spellings to UK English even though it's set to US
[09:10:00] <chromas> Ah there it is. /me has the Editing Process wiki page open in a buried tab
[09:09:49] <janrinok> Dont go changing the spelling in quoted material simply because your browser says it is wrong. Have various dictionaries installed to cope with the source
[09:09:10] <janrinok> we use the dialect that the original source material is in. If it is a US source then the title should spell Color like that, but if it is UK or Aus, then Colour is correct.
[09:08:45] * chromas sneaks an apostrophe in there somewhere
[09:08:31] <chromas> I know about editors brackets [] though
[09:08:22] * chromas doesn't remember what else he read
[09:08:04] <chromas> Like colour vs color
[09:07:56] <chromas> Leave it alone if its differente from my version of Englishe for one
[09:07:17] <janrinok> now another general issue is spelling. What do you understand (if anything) about spelling in a submission
[09:06:33] <exec> <janrinok> I often reject stories and tell the submitter to put it in his/her blog.
[09:06:31] <janrinok> s/are/and/
[09:06:23] <janrinok> I often reject stories are tell the submitter to put it in his/her blog.
[09:05:51] <janrinok> yep. Some submitters have an axe to grind - they shouldn't be using our site as their personal blog.
[09:05:38] <chromas> At least the popular ones
[09:05:31] <chromas> I think all the sketched are you youtube
[09:05:08] <janrinok> ah. MP - I miss it
[09:05:05] <chromas> That makes sense. Also, put opinions in comments instead of stories
[09:04:52] <janrinok> no, I think you are mistaken ...
[09:04:43] <chromas> Yes I did!
[09:04:34] <janrinok> No you didn't
[09:04:29] <janrinok> which is why we always try to quote another source rather than make statements ourselves
[09:04:23] * chromas came for an argument but ended up in Abuse
[09:03:56] <janrinok> you have been around long enough to know that there are several things that could bring this site down -legal proceedings being one of them. So if in doubt, stop the story
[09:02:58] <janrinok> we might talk about it later - and you might lose your argument - but don't be afraid of taking action
[09:02:30] <chromas> Okay
[09:02:15] <janrinok> But don't shy away from stopping a story or changing something if you genuinely believe it to be necessary.
[09:01:49] * chromas changes it to clickbait title: 13 Reasons Betteridge's Law Should be Abolished. Number 6 Will Eat Your Goldfish
[09:01:48] <janrinok> We don't have different tiers of editors. You are either an editor or you aren't. Your opinions and views are as valid as anyone else's. Of course, at first it is best to seek advice if you are uncertain of something.
[09:00:52] <janrinok> and that brings me to a general editing point.
[09:00:21] <janrinok> remember we strive to put our a neutral and unbiased story so don't be afraid of 'calming down' a Title if it needs it
[08:59:17] <janrinok> correct. The button does a reasonable job but you have to watch the abbreviations and similar. things such a "Andrew'S" where the S should be s
[08:58:08] <janrinok> so check titles are correct when you 2nd a story. And make sure that they match the story! Sometimes they don't, or are unecessarily sensationalised or politicised
[08:57:54] <chromas> Capitals except articles, prepositions and stuff, right?
[08:57:04] <janrinok> Title field next. Titles should be in Title Case of course, but it doesn't do a good job of abbreviates such as USA, FDA, NATO etc
[08:56:50] * chromas fantasizes about changing the page layout
[08:56:19] <janrinok> OK, we will keep moving slowly down the editing page
[08:55:38] <janrinok> now, it doesn't really matter where the topics and nexus actually are in that list - they work anyway. But from an editing point of view, if you keep them organised then they are easier to manage and we make fewer mistakes
[08:54:39] <chromas> oh yeah. I added topics and updated
[08:54:25] <janrinok> probably, but we don't use them for our stories. They are more for journals
[08:54:06] <janrinok> ah yes, topics.
[08:53:43] <chromas> Do the extra options in Comment Status work on stories? Just Friends etc
[08:53:31] <janrinok> ok, where were we?...
[08:53:10] <chromas> pong - still here
[08:53:02] <janrinok> ping - I'm back
[08:50:25] <janrinok> javascript does NOT update the page - you need to do a page refresh
[08:35:08] * chromas scopes out the editor page screenshots on the wiki
[08:31:47] * chromas plays with it some more while nobody's looking
[08:31:05] <chromas> Okay
[08:30:59] <chromas> Does javascript update that at all or is it just when I load the page
[08:30:52] <janrinok> brb 10 - need to help the nurse
[08:30:37] <chromas> I see
[08:29:57] <janrinok> if you look at the title editing, it should also show that I am in the same story
[08:29:52] <chromas> Deleted; updated
[08:29:30] <janrinok> you are still showing 2 nexuses in that list - you can remove The Main Page because Bewbs is part of the main page
[08:29:25] <chromas> I see you in the editor/admin session list at the bottom. So that's functionality I'm aware of
[08:28:31] * chromas clicks update
[08:28:25] <janrinok> gotcha 2
[08:28:19] <chromas> Oh, I haven't saved
[08:28:12] <janrinok> On my display Bewbs is still second in the list below the nexus line
[08:27:44] <janrinok> to be fair, as there are only a handful of people actually editing, it doesn't get as much love and attention as the rest of the site
[08:27:32] <chromas> So I've added a few topics and moved the nexus name above the Nexus header
[08:27:07] <chromas> Where's the nosql webscale?
[08:26:53] <janrinok> this is cutting edge 1990's technology!
[08:26:33] <chromas> Seems weird to have them combined into the same listbox
[08:26:00] <janrinok> it should go _above_ the _^_Nexus_^_ line
[08:25:54] <chromas> When I try to add /dev/random and Answers topics it asks if I want to replace a topic, but the other topics don't do that when adding
[08:25:25] <chromas> Moved Bewbs to the top.
[08:24:37] <janrinok> you should only have 1 nexus selected
[08:24:25] <janrinok> highlight your selected nexus and us the Up and Down pointers to move it to the top
[08:23:57] <janrinok> now the nexus doesn't behave itself, so you have to move it manually
[08:23:51] * chromas cancels and reloads the page to be sure
[08:23:39] <janrinok> its arse about face but that is how it is
[08:23:39] <chromas> They did, but that's also where the nexus is
[08:23:19] <janrinok> They should go _above_ the -^-Topics_^_ line
[08:22:41] <chromas> I see it doesn't organize the Topics list to put topics under the Topics section
[08:22:28] <janrinok> when you 2nd a story, make sure that the topic selected is appropriate. It is very easy to just accept what the submitter has suggested and not check it for suitability.
[08:21:42] <janrinok> a story might need topics of mobile, hardware and software for example.
[08:21:31] <chromas> Gotta practice for maximum spectacle
[08:21:12] <janrinok> doesn't count - this is not live
[08:21:03] <chromas> Yay, My First Cockup™
[08:20:55] <chromas> yeah oops
[08:20:49] <janrinok> they are nexuses and not topics...
[08:20:36] <chromas> Added, Breaking News; Meta
[08:20:32] <janrinok> you can add several topics to any story. There is probably a limit but I've never needed to reach it
[08:20:06] <janrinok> OK, one at a time, select a topic and click the add key at the bottom
[08:20:03] <chromas> Select Topics, Nexuses and Topics tree, Add, Close et cetera buttons
[08:19:38] <chromas> I see it
[08:19:30] <janrinok> so can you see the tree of nexuses and topics
[08:19:16] <janrinok> ah, got 'tree' - that's better
[08:18:56] <janrinok> well, I can't even read it on my display so I'll have to ask TMB nicely to fix it
[08:18:32] <chromas> I see it
[08:18:23] <janrinok> you should see a pop up window which normally would display all the possible topics, and Meta, BreakingNews, Politics etc nexus names
[08:18:22] <chromas> I should probably change to default site theme though because the Select Topics is light gray text on white background
[08:17:36] <chromas> ah. ok. I see the + button right of topics
[08:17:34] <janrinok> everything that we need to do is on this page - somewhere...
[08:17:10] <janrinok> go back to the bewb story that we were editing
[08:16:49] <exec> └─ 13- Dev.SN User
[08:16:47] <upstart> ^ 03- Dev.SN User ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[08:16:46] <chromas> No + on the right. I'm on https://dev.soylentnews.org
[08:16:40] <janrinok> .... and it is not working! That is sometimes the problem on dev. it isn't as up to date as production
[08:16:00] <janrinok> OK, look at the Topics list and click on the '+' on the right hand side (RHS)
[08:15:34] <chromas> oh, pong
[08:15:23] <chromas> I don't see settings on that particular page. Edit, Preview and Skin have links though
[08:15:07] <janrinok> ping
[08:14:06] <janrinok> you can see the the nexus table - do you know how to edit each setting?
[08:13:35] <chromas> Lots o' red
[08:13:20] <janrinok> OK , well look at the nexus now then
[08:12:47] <chromas> Since it goes to the bewbs nexus and won't go back to the main nexus. At least, I'm not seeing a link to it
[08:12:47] <janrinok> excellent. Sometimes a story will be in the live queue but put to do not display because it needs more work. You might be able to do that work and release it
[08:11:51] <chromas> Checked Display and saved. It's now yellow and the nexus story list is different from the normal one
[08:10:44] <janrinok> what does the grey indicate, and what do you have to do to change it?
[08:10:23] <chromas> [1] Should Beteridge's Law
[08:10:17] <chromas> Well it's still gray
[08:09:50] <janrinok> which story did you change - not seen here
[08:09:23] <janrinok> hence the reason why I didn't say what colour to change it to
[08:09:20] <chromas> saved and updated
[08:09:02] <chromas> I should say, the first gray one is one I accepted awhile back from the queue
[08:09:01] <janrinok> but you can still change its colour
[08:08:47] <chromas> Oh that's no good. The first one I accepted so I can't second
[08:07:26] <janrinok> OK, pick the first grey story on your list and make it turn to another colour - any ideas how to do that?
[08:06:54] <chromas> Aye
[08:06:38] <janrinok> happy with the colours now?
[08:06:01] <janrinok> everything else should be green, which means it has been seen by 2 eds minimum, and is good to go
[08:05:40] <janrinok> so anything in red is good for you to 2nd
[08:05:06] <janrinok> you'll get the privs for security when you get on the live system
[08:04:55] <chromas> Seems like there should be a column for that
[08:04:26] <janrinok> as the story is yours, you obviously cannot 2nd it as well, but we will all see the same story in Red
[08:04:25] <chromas> But it still shows. Bug report!
[08:04:15] <chromas> Aw, I don't have permissions for the Security tab
[08:03:37] <janrinok> lol! Bon jour NCommander
[08:03:30] <janrinok> If you see a yellow, then it is a story that you have released
[08:03:24] <NCommander> ... it's not very effective
[08:03:18] * NCommander casts BANHAMMER
[08:02:56] <janrinok> and NCommander is a law unto himself. we normally get to play with his stuff as it goes live!
[08:02:31] <janrinok> sometimes TMB will put out a META story that will just need 2nd'ing but if nobody does anything it will still go out
[08:01:46] <janrinok> but essentially, every story should be seen by at least 2 editors before going live.
[08:01:34] <chromas> Ah
[08:01:29] <chromas> And that's generally unpreferred
[08:01:25] <janrinok> this is necessary for Breaking News or major system problems
[08:01:07] <janrinok> reds need a 2nd ed. They will still go out and be seen by the world, but they haven't been checked by anyone else
[08:00:56] <chromas> since it's my post
[08:00:50] <chromas> Oh, yellow for me
[08:00:36] <janrinok> OK, it gets a bit trickier now. The colours are different for each editor. Or more correctly, for the first editor and everyone else
[08:00:34] <chromas> I guess not. The reds also have no seconding
[07:59:53] <chromas> I see one yellow. It's set to display but has no second; is that the meaning of yellow?
[07:59:50] <janrinok> so, cockup in the first few days is almost guaranteed
[07:59:27] <janrinok> it is - and you are expected to maintain the standards we have set
[07:59:06] <chromas> I heard a cockup is part of the initiation process :)
[07:58:59] <janrinok> if it is grey - no one will see it. Good to bear that in mind
[07:58:37] <janrinok> if you don't remember - Google certainly does
[07:58:25] <janrinok> the grey is non-display. and it is useful when you make a cock-up. You probably remember my first release 4 years ago when the story went out live when it shouldn't have done
[07:57:36] <janrinok> essentially there are 4 colours
[07:57:33] <chromas> This gray story appears to be non-display
[07:57:18] <janrinok> k, the colours are a slightly different hue from the live system, but that is because we were experimenting for those with certain sight disabilities
[07:56:12] <chromas> It's open
[07:56:05] <janrinok> OK, let me know when you have the Stories page open
[07:55:47] <chromas> No I think I need refreshment on that
[07:55:25] <chromas> That's a good idea. I should spawn a new window just for this
[07:55:24] <janrinok> so you understand the colour coding on the stories page?
[07:55:01] <chromas> Added a note or two and "seconded" at least one submissions
[07:54:55] <janrinok> OK, well everyone is different, but I open up 3 tabs, front page, stories and submissions
[07:54:20] <chromas> I made a poll and merged a submission with another
[07:53:36] <janrinok> OK, as you want to concentrate on 2nd editing, we'll look at that. How much have you done on dev?
[07:52:31] <janrinok> I'm just starting up dev on my other machine
[07:52:01] <chromas> k
[07:51:52] <janrinok> for the next 30-45 minutes I'll have to keep getting up to help the nurse, but if you want to we can start doing something now
[07:51:47] <chromas> s/(c)(i)/\1t\2/
[07:51:35] <chromas> Except for the internal dispute secion
[07:51:27] <chromas> Yeah, but I didn't learn much new :)
[07:51:04] <janrinok> no wonder you slept!
[07:50:55] <chromas> I read the editorial policy and stuff on the wiki
[07:50:44] <janrinok> no problem - that's what beds are for!
[07:50:30] <chromas> Sorry, I slept wayy in before
[07:50:24] <chromas> I am
[07:49:55] <janrinok> chromas, are you around?
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[03:10:48] <Bytram> very much appreciate the second look!
[03:08:25] <takyon> jk, i see that it is in the quoted portion
[03:06:32] <takyon> did you want the verge link thrown in there?
[03:06:26] <takyon> loooks fine
[02:57:23] <exec> └─ 13- SoylentNews User
[02:57:21] <upstart> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[02:57:20] <Bytram> saved. Link to 2nd the merged stories: https://soylentnews.org
[02:57:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:56:59] <Bytram> Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
[02:56:57] <takyon> or living it
[02:56:47] <Bytram> someone has been reading Alice
[02:56:21] <takyon> yeah I know you get worse the tireder you get
[02:53:07] <Bytram> I think I'm most of the way there... will definitely want a second on this merge!
[02:50:19] <Bytram> oh, it's already in there... I was just testing out the link after eliding some link additions made by one of the submitters.
[02:39:40] <takyon> as an "also at" line
[02:39:34] <takyon> just throw it in _that_ story
[02:32:42] <exec> └─ 13Symantec ends NRA membership deals after backlash - The Verge
[02:32:41] <upstart> ^ 03Symantec ends NRA membership deals after backlash - The Verge ( https://www.theverge.com )
[02:32:40] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.theverge.com
[02:20:05] <exec> └─ 13Trump administration cracks down H-1B visa abuse - Feb. 23, 2018
[02:20:04] <upstart> ^ 03Trump administration cracks down H-1B visa abuse - Feb. 23, 2018
[02:20:03] <Bytram> http://money.cnn.com