#editorial | Logs for 2017-10-17

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[01:05:23] <c0lo> No stories in the queue!!
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[01:08:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~eds we is dry and have been since five hours ago
[01:08:41] <exec> editor ping for TheMightyBuzzard (reason: we is dry and have been since five hours ago): janrinok zz_janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 charon GreatOutdoors FatPhil Snow goodie mrpg
[01:10:38] * Bytram just got home from work... saw the alarums, and is looking for a story to promote
[01:11:24] <Bytram> wow, what a slow connection I have tonight!
[01:12:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can borrow mine if you like. it's not doing anything but irc.
[01:13:34] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders giving the eds a little bit of crap with a meta story
[01:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> "The Day the Queue Stood Still"
[01:14:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. then someone might wonder what i been doing the past several months.
[01:16:03] <Bytram> looks like fnord ws on the case, too...
[01:17:03] <Bytram> ~time x
[01:17:05] <exec> Tuesday, 17 October 2017 @ 1:17 am UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[01:18:23] <Bytram> fooshin?
[01:18:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, general fuckin off and life
[01:20:40] <Bytram> okay, that's two stories into the story queue
[01:29:04] <Bytram> that one was a bit more work... that makes 3
[01:51:46] <Bytram> same on that one... now at 4
[01:55:46] <Bytram> and another
[02:11:27] * TheMightyBuzzard gives Bytram a 5% raise
[02:12:31] <Bytram> and there goes another... that's 7 and should last us until sunup on the US east coast
[02:12:47] * Bytram thanks TheMightyBuzzard for the kind thought.
[02:13:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool beans man
[02:13:34] <Bytram> cool beans can still make hot farts
[02:13:41] <Bytram> break time
[02:14:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> yarp. bed time actually.
[02:14:57] <Bytram> on second thouight... it's time for bed.
[02:15:01] <Bytram> loll
[02:15:05] <Bytram> kek
[02:15:19] <Bytram> at least I can get one word right... eventually!
[02:15:28] <Bytram> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[02:15:30] * exec irresponsibly bitchslaps a Borg cube of cocaine with TheMightyBuzzard
[02:15:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight Bytram
[02:15:37] * exec $adverb allocates a caravan of shitty wall for Bytram
[02:15:39] <Bytram> good luck sleeping
[02:15:47] * Bytram grabs a clothespin
[02:15:59] <Bytram> laters!
[04:58:43] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[04:58:44] <upstart> ^ 03Ancient City of Heracleion Discovered Underwater - SoylentNews
[04:58:56] <takyon> is it just me and an AC or is this some crap?
[05:01:37] <takyon> yes it's crap and I have pulled it
[05:05:22] <takyon> I brought the kilonova story back to the top of the page
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[11:54:40] <Bytram> takyon: thanks so much for catching, and blocking, that story!
[11:56:03] <takyon> yeh
[11:56:41] <takyon> TheMightyBuzzard: spoiler tags don't appear to work in this mode: https://soylentnews.org
[11:56:42] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Choose Your Dumb Flag Emojis + Soylent Upgrade
[11:56:47] <takyon> I will try it in other contexts later
[11:57:24] <takyon> also some part of the journal editing process killed the emoji flags I had in there and changed them to ??. They were letters or boxes originally.
[11:57:35] <takyon> I don't know if that is a bug or just weirdness
[11:58:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, hmm? weird.
[11:59:02] <Bytram> agreed! I cannot think of anything the code does that would treat emoji's any differently than any other UTF-8 chart.
[11:59:08] <Bytram> *character
[11:59:42] <takyon> well the emoji characters are these long ass code points. They actually consist of more than one character per flag. The explanation is linked from the journal
[11:59:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't look into it this week. busy doing money-making stuff. have to bug NCommander, paulej72, xyem, or Bytram.
[12:00:01] <takyon> ok
[12:00:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ohhh... I have an idea
[12:00:17] <Bytram> so far, we only support 1- or 2-octet code points, right?
[12:00:27] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[12:00:42] <takyon> realDonaldTrump uses the US flag emoji all the time
[12:00:48] <takyon> so it's not like the support doesn't exist
[12:00:53] <Bytram> this is what I have in my 'user space' field on the main page:
[12:00:54] <Bytram> 1-octet: @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO
[12:00:54] <Bytram> 2-octet: ŀŁłŃńŅņŇňʼnŊŋŌōŎŏ
[12:00:54] <Bytram> 3-octet:ࠀࠁࠂࠃࠄࠅࠆࠇࠈࠉࠊࠋࠌࠍࠎࠏ
[12:00:54] <Bytram> 4-octet: 𐀀𐀁𐀂𐀃𐀄𐀅𐀆𐀇𐀈𐀉𐀊𐀋𐀌𐀍𐀎𐀏
[12:00:56] <takyon> it could be something specific to journals
[12:01:04] <Bytram> only the first two rows display correctly.
[12:01:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> anything over decimal 65535 gets converted to an html entity, i know that much.
[12:02:09] <Bytram> takyon: can you paste a few of the chars here?
[12:02:14] <takyon> US = 🇺🇸 = \uD83C\uDDFA\uD83C\uDDF8 = &#127482;&#127480;
[12:02:42] <Bytram> yep, those are 2-octet chars
[12:03:52] <takyon> keep in mind those are two separate characters that are treated as one symbol
[12:04:03] <Bytram> takyon: could you please paste *your* problematic emoji here? prefereably space-delimited
[12:04:52] <takyon> 🇺🇸
[12:05:11] <takyon> that is the US flag emoji. Hexchat doesn't seem to like it because I see zeroes in it
[12:05:18] <takyon> https://emojipedia.org
[12:05:19] <upstart> ^ 03🇺🇸 Flag for United States Emoji
[12:05:53] <Bytram> oh. I thought you were pasting in realDonaldtrump
[12:06:21] * Bytram is way too undercaffienated for this
[12:08:11] <Bytram> takyon: many thanks for the story subs this AM.... just pushed out 4 more stories to get us to mid-afternoon US east coast time
[12:08:40] <takyon> there's a lot of junk in there. junk should be deleted instead of left to hang around.
[12:09:06] * Bytram clicks takyon's link... hrmmm
[12:10:20] <Bytram> won't argue that... but am sorely pressed for sleep and time of late
[12:12:40] <takyon> yeah, it's fine
[12:14:01] <cmn32480> I'll see if I cna poke the sub queue today to thin it
[12:14:10] <Bytram> cmn32480++ yays!
[12:14:10] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 92
[12:14:12] <cmn32480> unfortunately I've been in much the same boat as bytram lately
[12:14:27] <cmn32480> too little sleep and not enough free time ot be of much use
[12:14:34] * Bytram figured your conspicuous absence was the result of being up to your earballs in stuff
[12:14:56] <cmn32480> yes
[12:14:58] <cmn32480> work
[12:15:00] <cmn32480> kids
[12:15:08] <cmn32480> the usual cruft
[12:16:06] <Bytram> takyon: it's been a few years since I tested the UTF-8 support that TMB added, but I'm now strongly leaning to thinking those emoji chars are outside the range we support... AHHA! Yes, I was confusing Unicode with UTF-8 (transport).... yep those should be problematic for our site atm
[12:16:20] <Bytram> I was on the right track with the octets thingy
[12:16:33] <Bytram> cmn32480: hope you can get to the end of the tunnel sooner than later
[12:16:43] <takyon> that's the thing though. People do use the flags on here right now and they apparently do work
[12:16:48] * cmn32480 just hope the light isn't a train
[12:16:49] <takyon> i'll find an example
[12:17:05] <Bytram> okay, I need to be AT work in 45 minutes and still haven't cleaned up or anything
[12:17:35] <Bytram> takyon: if you are talking about the rDT, I only see 'u' 's' in his sig... no flags
[12:17:44] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[12:17:45] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Head over to AltRight.com! ( https://soylentnews.org )
[12:17:52] <Bytram> could be my char set, or palemoon, or ... I dunno.
[12:18:01] <takyon> Bytram: that is because your browser renders it that way
[12:18:09] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:18:14] <takyon> if you copy it, it copies as &#127482;&#127480;
[12:18:16] <Bytram> sw same on the link you provided
[12:18:22] <Bytram> s/sw/saw/
[12:18:24] <exec> <Bytram> saw same on the link you provided
[12:19:07] <takyon> if you were to google search it from your context menu, it would be you searching the unicode regional characters, not the ordinary letters 'u' and 's'
[12:19:27] <Bytram> nice to know, thanks
[12:19:30] <takyon> http://0xcc.net
[12:19:31] <upstart> ^ 03Text Escaping and Unescaping in JavaScript
[12:19:47] <takyon> bookmark that site, it is very useful in times like this
[12:19:54] <Bytram> curious, what do you see in your browser for my 1-, 2-, 3-, and 4-octet sample I pasted above?
[12:20:57] <takyon> in my Hexchat (not browser), I see the alphabet, some fancy letters, boxes with code in them for the 3-octet, and boxes with zeroes in them for the 4-octet
[12:21:19] <Bytram> yep, same here
[12:21:27] <Bytram> and that is what I see on SN in my browser, too.
[12:22:42] <takyon> so if you copy and paste the flag emoji from the comment into http://0xcc.net you will see that it is not the letters 'u' and 's'
[12:22:42] <upstart> ^ 03Text Escaping and Unescaping in JavaScript
[12:23:08] <takyon> so support exists for these characters, it's just that a bug might also exist when it comes to sticking them in journals
[12:23:16] <takyon> I'll try to reproduce it later
[12:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, copy-pasta of your octet tests shows fine on SN for me
[12:23:41] <Bytram> you see chars for all octets 1-4??
[12:23:56] * Bytram just sees squared boxes for 3- and 4-octet
[12:24:38] * Bytram hits the showers
[12:24:39] <Bytram> afk
[12:24:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yes
[12:25:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> thus you are having a font issue in your browser
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[12:28:55] <takyon_> i'm going to try editing the journal to add them back in
[12:32:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> the spoiler thing is a bug, sure nuff. <spoiler> tags aren't getting converted like they should.
[12:34:03] <Bytram> woopsie!
[12:34:48] <Bytram> are we talking about the journal enytry itself or as a comment to a journal entry (I thnk you mean the actual journal article)
[12:36:48] <takyon_> umm
[12:37:41] <takyon_> they were in the journal entry spoiler block
[12:38:39] <Bytram> ahh got it... thanks!
[12:39:40] <takyon_> it works fine in preview mode but changes to ?? when the journal is saved
[12:39:49] <takyon_> i'm going to try adding entities instea
[12:40:03] <Bytram> good idea!
[12:40:33] <Bytram> hmmm, I dunno. Now htat I thnk about it, I doubt that will work
[12:40:36] <Bytram> ok, really gtg
[12:40:41] <Bytram> have a great day everyone!
[12:41:45] <takyon_> bye
[12:41:49] <takyon_> it did work
[12:43:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon_, some incorrect character to entity conversion happening then it appears
[12:46:30] <takyon_> ill show you the finished journal in a couple minutes
[12:48:40] <takyon_> https://soylentnews.org
[12:48:41] <upstart> ^ 03Journal of takyon (881)
[12:50:33] <takyon_> it might be for the best that it doesn't work because I'll need a custom solution to add the flags with tips containing the flag names. so I can handle the unicode-to-entity conversion at the same time
[12:50:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, i'd rather just get us up to not needing to convert anything to entities in the code but that requires upgrading the tables to utf8mb4 instead of utf8
[12:51:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> last time i tried that it borked for some reason or other
[12:52:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> but i gotta go for now. money to be made.
[12:52:48] <takyon_> later
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[21:02:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~eds out of stories again
[21:02:36] <exec> editor ping for TheMightyBuzzard (reason: out of stories again): janrinok zz_janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 charon GreatOutdoors FatPhil Snow goodie mrpg
[21:05:08] <cmn32480> fek
[21:05:22] <cmn32480> fer how long?
[21:08:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> few minutes
[21:08:28] <cmn32480> ok
[21:08:33] <cmn32480> so it ain't hours like last time
[21:08:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> well 15 or 20
[21:08:37] <cmn32480> Thanks for the heads up Buzz
[21:08:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[21:12:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, takyon's on it too. watch each others' toes.
[21:13:37] <cmn32480> I dumped 1 just to give a breathign room