#editorial | Logs for 2017-04-22

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[00:00:03] <charon_> odd. unless there are a lot of british ex-pats around?
[00:04:44] <nick> just cheap shit from china, don't think there's any specific reason
[00:05:40] <nick> there is a similar quantity of NYC stuff too
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[01:34:23] <nick> http://www.telesurtv.net
[01:34:26] <dbot> ^ 03 Uber&rsquo;s Illegal Operations Drain Our Country, Help US: Trinidad | News | teleSUR English
[01:34:26] <exec> └─ 13Uber’s Illegal Operations Drain Our Country, Help US: Trinidad | News | teleSUR English
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[01:53:19] <Bytram> re: chicken & egg... cf: "Mother and Child Reunion" -- possibly apocryphal story, came to him while eating chicken eggdrop soup at a chinese restaurant
[01:53:34] <Bytram> oh, and
[01:53:35] <Bytram> https://www.nytimes.com
[01:53:37] <exec> └─ 13For First Time Since 1800s, Britain Goes a Day Without Burning Coal for Electricity - The New York Times
[02:03:09] <nick> that's so close to being a non-story
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[02:05:15] <Bytram> how so? given the long history of coal burning, and at least over on this side of the pond, stories of coal smoke being so dense that it would discolor laundry hung out to dry, it sounds like something to me on this side of the pond
[02:05:39] * Bytram had a huge dinner and it is catching up with me... hard to stay awake and htink clearly
[02:06:02] <Bytram> at least my tyupoing slkills are still up to snuff
[02:06:19] <nick> it's just a technicality really, there's still going to be a good percentage of coal power over any period of time
[02:06:50] <Bytram> hmm, so no overall trend of siminished use?
[02:06:59] <Bytram> s/ si/ di/
[02:07:00] <sedctl> <Bytram> so no overall trend of diminished use?
[02:07:02] <exec> <Bytram> hmm, so no overall trend of diminished use?
[02:07:13] <nick> there is, but it's relatively slight, and they're burning trash instead of burning coal to achieve that
[02:07:13] <Bytram> lol
[02:08:07] <Bytram> depending on the original source of the trash, that might at least reduce the amount of historically sequestered carbon that is being incinerated, reduing the amount of CO2 increase
[02:08:23] <nick> 'It is the UK Government's position that incineration will play an increasingly large role in the treatment of municipal waste and supply of energy in the UK.'
[02:08:35] <nick> indeed
[02:09:08] <nick> but it also continues to rely on a wasteful society generating a lot of trash and inefficient recycling
[02:09:10] <Bytram> if, instead, they were burning wood pulp / old paper / boxes / etc. then there'd be little-to-no net CO2 going to the air
[02:09:17] <Bytram> agreed
[02:09:47] <Bytram> nick: btw, just taking a look now at HoF: https://soylentnews.org
[02:09:50] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[02:09:59] <Bytram> looks like you are about 11 stories away from 1500!
[02:10:12] <nick> for many years the UK electric grid has been close to capacity in the winter
[02:10:18] <Bytram> and 80 stories from passing PamX
[02:10:37] <nick> i believe sometimes they do boot up the diesel generators to keep the lights on
[02:10:56] <Bytram> in the winter? oh, right. Our greatest electricity use is in the summer for air conditioners.
[02:11:07] <nick> 1500 has been a long time in coming
[02:11:09] <Bytram> things don't get THAT hot over there?
[02:11:17] <nick> almost no one has AC in the UK
[02:11:30] <Bytram> or is it that heating needs are so limited, it was cost effective to use electric fo heat
[02:12:09] * Bytram regularly sees winter tempts approach zero degrees F and summer temps get to 90 or so
[02:12:35] * Bytram has seen -25 and over 100, but those are the exceptions
[02:13:06] <nick> the uk weather is very boring
[02:13:41] <nick> according to gov statistics, there has been a notable downtrend in coal use in the UK 2015-2016, so maybe it is more notable
[02:14:36] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:14:43] <nick> natural gas has gained most of what coal lost
[02:15:17] <Bytram> pretty much the same here in the usa
[02:15:24] <Bytram> pardon me for a moment
[02:15:24] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[02:15:28] <exec> └─ 13Naked Mole-Rats 'Turn Into Plants' When Oxygen is Low - SoylentNews
[02:21:02] <nick> does that mean we can burn naked mole-rats for green energy?
[02:21:54] <Bytram> not /quite/ that
[02:22:48] <Bytram> under no oxygen conditions,NMRs have been observed to keep living for 18 minutes... by directly using fructose to power the brain -- no oxygen required.
[02:25:39] <nick> the airline comment made me chuckle
[02:26:22] * Bytram must have missed that one... lunky?
[02:26:30] <Bytram> *linky?
[02:27:13] <nick> 'I wonder if this explains the direction that many airlines are going these days. Perhaps they are just trying to encourage this adaptation in humans.'
[02:27:23] <Bytram> ahhh, noice!
[02:27:56] <Bytram> heck, remove all air from the cabin and then it will take even less fuel to fly to the destination
[02:28:10] <Bytram> lighter craft will be more like a dirigible
[02:33:51] <nick> dont give them ideas
[02:36:30] <Bytram> secret idea is safe with me
[02:37:16] <nick> heh, the gov pdf i was reading about energy has 'Microsoft Word - Press Notice December 2016.doc' as the browser tab title
[02:38:14] <Bytram> recursion
[03:05:56] <takyon> charon: the *new* comment cycling code replacement of yours fails to pick up comments in many cases. just skips over them
[03:06:19] <takyon> obviously this is incredibly hard to diagnose because it is different based on when you loaded the page, and if you have clicked it a few times it affects a variable
[03:06:28] <charon> i rewrote it, works better now
[03:06:56] <charon> now it just checks for the height of the page and recurses cycleNew() until it's right
[03:07:20] <takyon> email it to me. I'll check it later. need some sleep.
[03:07:26] <charon> k
[03:07:28] <takyon> thanks
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