#editorial | Logs for 2017-02-16

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[00:54:52] <charon_> damned customers
[00:55:42] <charon_> ohh, my house exploded, can you help me?
[00:55:49] <charon_> NO, PISS OFF
[00:56:25] <charon_> that was my jasassin impression for the day
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[01:46:26] -!- mode/#editorial [+v takyon_] by Hephaestus
[01:46:45] <takyon_> ok who's screwing the site up
[01:47:19] <takyon_> side and top bar randomly disappear for short periods of time
[01:47:42] <cmn32480> ~blame
[01:47:44] * exec points at Bytram
[02:24:01] <cmn32480> holy hell.. the entire damn sub queue is politics
[02:27:30] <Bytram> takyon: I don't know who's messing with the site; I'm on dev and am getting an error trying to post a comment in reply to another comment... instead of the comment previes, I see: "HASH(0x9b53930)" :(
[02:27:59] <cmn32480> even $$ the initials are TMB or NC
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[11:04:29] <Bytram> updated story: https://soylentnews.org to include actual examples from TFA of how some Indians actually dodged the clampdown
[11:04:32] <exec> └─ 13How Indians Dodged Government's 'Black Money' Clampdown - SoylentNews
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[11:43:58] Bytram is now known as bytram
[13:40:44] <bytram> heads up -- be careful with title case in story headlines
[13:52:22] <bytram> ~tell charon re: the goat cross-modal story; I like you dept line: but-they're-all-mean and didn't want to change it w/o your approval, but thought it would be punny to change it to: butt-they're-all-mean -- I'llleave it to your discretion
[13:55:53] <bytram> would appreciate it very much if someone could take a close look at the anniversary story -- I'm certain I've got some verb tense issues in there, among other things. https://soylentnews.org
[13:55:55] <exec> └─ 13Error
[14:02:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> bytram, you NCommander'd that bitch pretty good
[14:03:14] <bytram> I learn from the best!
[14:03:19] <bytram> ;)
[14:03:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> speakin of. i gotta do some rejiggering on the release notes story to reflect we got two new comment modes instead of one.
[14:04:59] * TheMightyBuzzard debates on doing that, fixing flat comments, or playing vidya
[14:05:05] <bytram> just so happens I'm reading YOUR novel -- will definitely need a revisit when you get done with the fixes you're working on. New nexus is "books". No more breakthrough. new names for mode, e.g. "Threaded-TOS"
[14:05:29] <bytram> was reviewing it already =)
[14:05:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> TOS is gonna get renamed to Threaded i think
[14:06:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause it essentially is the same as Improved Threaded
[14:07:04] <bytram> do not like. a word should have one and only one meaning, Leads to confusion "which threaded did you mean?" -- syntactify your semantics! call it Threaded2 for all i care, but please DO NOT call it Threaded cause it ain't
[14:07:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> okey doke
[14:07:35] <bytram> much obliged
[14:07:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> it can stay as-is then
[14:08:25] <bytram> heh.. Threaded, Threaded', Threaded'', Threaded''', Threaded'''', ... =)
[14:08:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, i could change genres and name the old one Threaded-I and the new one Threaded-IV
[14:08:41] <bytram> i.e. Threaded-Prime
[14:08:55] <bytram> plaease plese please do NOT do that!
[14:09:04] * TheMightyBuzzard cackles
[14:09:26] * bytram is glad he made tmb laugh
[14:10:33] * TheMightyBuzzard renames Threaded-TNG to Threaded-🖕
[14:11:21] <bytram> oh, also need to update story (and preferences page) re: dimmin
[14:11:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> is that all done?
[14:11:41] <bytram> that won't work so well on a VT-100 (for which we even have a theme, IIRC)
[14:12:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> such is life
[14:12:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> them users can use the badge instead
[14:12:39] <bytram> I dunno, can't keep up with you lot -- but it seems NC DoesNotWant dimming, so if dimming is out, the the story AND the prefrences page need to be updated
[14:13:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> dimming is not out. he can have an option of dimming, no dimming, or a badge on new comments if he likes but i will not remove the dimming code.
[14:15:02] <bytram> fine by me... just trying to keep up with you all is a full-time job. =)
[14:16:16] <bytram> okay, I've been up for over 5 hours now -- am gonna take a nap, dig out and move my car from the snow storm, and run a few errands... will try and poke in here before I head out.
[14:16:23] <bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: do you still have my phone #
[14:16:37] <bytram> feel free to txt me if anything comes up.
[14:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit if i know, man
[14:16:59] <bytram> I'll pm it to ya
[14:17:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> got it, yeah
[14:18:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it's the 207 number still
[14:18:46] <bytram> yep
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[15:02:00] -!- mode/#editorial [+v janrinok] by Hephaestus
[15:17:01] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[15:17:02] * exec dexterously separates the last copy of dangly bits from janrinok
[15:17:30] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[15:17:32] * exec insensitively derives a zip archive of rotgut from cmn32480
[15:17:47] <cmn32480> oooh you lost your dangly bits...
[15:17:53] <cmn32480> and it was the last copy....
[15:18:32] * janrinok checks and discovers that his dangly bits are intact - must be referring to earrings or something ....
[15:19:41] <janrinok> I note that CH is closing on the big 1000 milestone
[15:23:10] * cmn32480 sighs in relief
[15:23:43] <cmn32480> yes he is
[15:32:12] <bytram> yep, and charon is now tied with Azrael
[15:32:41] <janrinok> I haven't seen any action from Az for many months now
[15:33:12] <bytram> nor have I :(
[15:33:15] <cmn32480> I believe his ed rights were stripped in the purges.\
[15:33:25] <bytram> 'fraid so
[15:33:27] <bytram> heh
[15:33:47] <bytram> ever read any books by Robert Aspirin?
[15:33:54] <cmn32480> same w/ Subsen tient who then disappeared from IRC shortly after.. but his bot is still ahnging around
[15:34:10] <bytram> there's a whole series of 'em with some bad pun involving the word 'myth' in 'em
[15:34:14] <cmn32480> no... but JimBob Ibuprofen has some good stuff
[15:34:24] <bytram> chuckle
[15:35:01] <bytram> but seriiously, it's very light-hearted fare, but a fast read as well. One of the main, recurring characters through the stories has a nickname of 'Az'
[15:35:23] <bytram> sadly the author passed away a few years ago and way too many years early.
[15:36:13] <bytram> one of the things he was know for was never using the construct: Foo said, "Some words." The word 'said' just did not appear in his stories
[15:36:42] <bytram> well, they did when they brought in another co-write to work withhim -- things came out faster, but were not as well written, IMNSHO
[15:36:43] <bytram> anyway
[15:36:59] <bytram> time for me to dig out the car... back in a while
[15:37:25] <janrinok> shovel-on! mon brave
[15:37:35] * cmn32480 passes the keys to the Soylenews Bulldozer
[15:38:01] <janrinok> are they on the same keyring as your boss' fork lift?
[15:38:11] <bytram> LOL!
[15:38:28] <bytram> afk
[15:39:58] <cmn32480> yes.. but the bulldozer is less liekly to get stuck in the snow/mud
[15:40:23] <janrinok> brb - nurse
[15:40:45] <cmn32480> yes doctor
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[19:12:59] <janrinok> I love pizza night!
[19:13:51] <cmn32480> lol
[19:14:06] <janrinok> ... and a glass of red wine
[19:15:14] <cmn32480> janrinok: s/glass/carafe/
[19:15:14] <sedctl> <cmn32480> <janrinok> ... and a carafe of red wine
[19:15:17] <exec> <cmn32480> <janrinok> ... and a carafe of red wine
[19:15:42] <janrinok> no allowed a full carafe, otherwise I would really enjoy pizza nights!
[19:15:46] <janrinok> not*
[19:19:35] <cmn32480> she;d snitch for that, huh?
[19:20:06] <janrinok> no, but my doc would take one look at my liver and know... she's like that
[19:33:50] <janrinok> the capital B makes all the difference
[19:36:00] <Bytram> there are times when it does, yes.
[19:36:07] <Bytram> howz thingz?
[19:36:25] <janrinok> we always think you are capital, bytram
[19:36:29] <Bytram> lol
[19:36:40] <janrinok> I'm good - hos's things with you?
[19:36:50] <Bytram> better that than capitol, then my balding dome would take on more significance
[19:36:56] <janrinok> I've seconded your anniversary story from tomorrow am (my time)
[19:37:20] <Bytram> I was most concerned with verb agreement... how'd I do?
[19:37:24] <Bytram> oh, and thanks!
[19:37:47] <janrinok> it reads OK to me - one or two minor edits but nothing that springs to mind now
[19:38:13] <Bytram> much obliged! Word soup comes all too easily
[19:39:29] <Bytram> I'm so grateful for charon, Fnord666, and mrpg who have stepped up and helped alleviate the load on us FOGs =)
[19:39:43] <janrinok> have you managed to find your car in the snow?
[19:39:57] <janrinok> I resemble that remark!
[19:40:13] <janrinok> CoolHand is getting near to the 1000 mark
[19:40:56] <Bytram> yep, and moved it at the appointed hour so they could plow the parking lot... came back 2 1/2 hours later, and it still had not been plowed... 5 minutes later they show up, finally, 3 hrs after the scheduled time, i could finally park my car in the lot.
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[19:41:10] <Bytram> still, much better than having to shovel it all out by myself!
[19:41:18] <janrinok> very true
[19:41:20] <Bytram> very wet and heavy snow :(
[19:42:02] <janrinok> not nice snow at all - I was outside in the garden working in just a shirt and working trousers today, around the mid-teens
[19:42:52] <Bytram> "mid teens" means something entirely different over there than here =)
[19:43:17] <Bytram> 16F ~ -8.5 C
[19:43:25] <janrinok> well, who I stand amongst when working is my own business
[19:43:28] <Bytram> 16C ~ 61F
[19:43:55] <Bytram> yes, and it be best to keep it that way, methinks. ;)
[19:43:56] <janrinok> ah, yes America and no other country whatsoever...
[19:44:43] <Bytram> I *think* there might be a couple others (wouldn't be surprised if we pay 'em to keep using it so we are not the only ones)
[19:44:52] <Bytram> hopw's S?
[19:45:27] <janrinok> she's good thanks, she sent both you and cmn a hug the other night but you weren't around, so I will pass it on belatedly
[19:45:53] <bytram> much obliged and appreciated -- please send a couple on to her (one for her to give you, mind) +)
[19:46:36] <bytram> seeing something strange with the new threading code, was wondering if you could confirm for me?
[19:46:42] <janrinok> thanks, I'll pass them on in around 15 minutes time
[19:46:56] <bytram> nice!
[19:46:58] <janrinok> let me just start the site up in a window again
[19:47:08] <bytram> okay, and then load this page: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[19:47:11] <exec> └─ 13Dev.SN Comments | 20170215e - Test Story - Please DO NOT Moderate and DO NOT Post Comments - Comment Score Testing
[19:47:33] <janrinok> ah, OK, I'll do it on this machine then
[19:48:34] <janrinok> OK, what do want me to see?
[19:48:41] <bytram> with the new system, there is *something* displayed for every comment on a page
[19:48:44] <cmn32480> the light
[19:48:48] <cmn32480> SEE THE LIGHT!
[19:48:52] <bytram> Coors or Bud?
[19:48:58] <cmn32480> Miller
[19:49:03] <janrinok> I'll have a beer instead thanks
[19:49:09] <cmn32480> 'cuz.. yanno.. It's Miller time...
[19:49:12] <bytram> Touche!
[19:49:56] <bytram> okay with the Threaded-TOS scheme, as I understand it, comments at or above your Threshold are displayed in full
[19:50:04] <janrinok> yes....
[19:50:09] <bytram> also, all top-level comments are displayed in full
[19:50:17] <bytram> and all of your own comments are displayed in fulll
[19:50:34] <bytram> so, Comment_0000 is a top-level comment, so the whole thing displayes
[19:50:51] <janrinok> OK....?
[19:51:00] <bytram> what youare looking at with that URL is a selection of T:3 and B:2
[19:51:14] <bytram> all comments are scored 2 or less
[19:51:16] <janrinok> which means nothing to me to be honest...
[19:51:30] <janrinok> I've never understood threshold and breakthrough
[19:51:35] <bytram> Threshold==3 and Breakthrough==2
[19:51:40] <bytram> I'm getting there... =)
[19:51:40] <janrinok> but do continue
[19:51:53] <bytram> so, as I said all comments are scored 2 or less...
[19:52:07] <bytram> so, with T:3 I'm basically saying DO NOT select anything
[19:52:30] <bytram> But, with B:2 I'm saying that if you should run into a comment with a score of 2 or better, then I do want to see that.
[19:52:49] <janrinok> I'm listening but glazing over slowly
[19:53:08] <bytram> yep, it is a bit numbing, I concur
[19:53:19] <bytram> let's stop for a sec and back up for a minute
[19:53:33] <bytram> say you are about to read a story that has 150 comments
[19:53:40] <bytram> I don't have time to read all of those
[19:54:03] <bytram> but it is an interesting topic... I'll just look at the best-rated ones, say scored 3 or better
[19:54:17] <bytram> Is what I often did on /.
[19:54:28] <bytram> that would get it down to maybe 5-20 or so comments
[19:54:36] <bytram> that's the threshold
[19:55:20] <bytram> but, if a comment had a child (i.e. reply) that scored less than the threshold, then it, and all of it's children would be hidden
[19:55:27] * janrinok thinks Bytram thought I was joking when I said I don't understand threshold and breakthrough ....
[19:55:54] <bytram> the idea of breakthrough was to say, well, if any of the kids score this or better, I *do* want to see 'em, anyway
[19:56:08] <bytram> I thot you were serious
[19:56:14] <bytram> shold I continue or no?
[19:56:29] <janrinok> what's your question - I only have 4 minutes left...
[19:56:33] <bytram> oh
[19:56:54] <bytram> so under TOS, comments below T are displayed as "Comment Below Threshold"
[19:57:03] <janrinok> yep
[19:57:33] <bytram> but I see Comment_0001 with score -1 displayed... I'd have expected to see the text "Comment Below Threshold" for that one, too
[19:58:05] <bytram> ditto for Comment_0002, Comment_0003, and Comment_0004
[19:58:25] <janrinok> I think this is as a result of TMB and NC's discussion the other night. TMB was using your logic, but NC wanted it to work differently. So now we have TOS and TNG
[19:58:28] <bytram> which have scores, respectively of -1, 0, and 1
[19:58:54] <bytram> yeah, I tried to follow their discussion but, umm, my eyes glazed over
[19:59:05] <bytram> so you are seeing the same thing that I am?
[19:59:20] * cmn32480 waits for DS9
[19:59:30] <bytram> comments that are neither expanded, nor displayed as "Comment Below Threshold" -- is that correct?
[19:59:35] * bytram waits for B5
[19:59:39] <janrinok> but any more than that I cannot help - I hadn't got a clue what they were trying to achieve and I gave up trying to follow it. As they can _both_ be turned off I didn't really care
[19:59:58] <bytram> yeah, I'm just slogging throughit cause I'm the QA guy.
[20:00:05] <bytram> I generally run -1,-1 myself
[20:00:29] <bytram> appreciate your looking at it for me!
[20:00:46] <janrinok> I am seeing the same, but whether that is what _should_ be happening I haven't got a clue
[20:00:49] <cmn32480> we don't have enough comments on most stories NOT to run at -1
[20:01:25] <janrinok> I feel that I have to run at -1 to look for bots, spam, and all the other crap that we try to keep off the site.
[20:01:46] <janrinok> I tend to read the comments while 'policing' the pages as it were
[20:02:12] <janrinok> brb 5 - got to go see to S
[20:02:25] <charon> bytram: something is working right though. the children of comment_0004 are all hidden properly. perhaps because they are siblings and have no children of their own
[20:03:31] <charon> that seems to be it. if the first child is a parent of it's own thread, it shows the full header line
[20:05:23] <bytram> my brain hurts
[20:05:47] <bytram> I think you are right, but .. I know... brb
[20:06:12] <cmn32480> ~gnight S
[20:06:16] * exec sardonically postulates a handful of GNU/toecheese towards S
[20:08:06] <janrinok> OK, S sends you both a kiss!
[20:08:17] <cmn32480> wooot!
[20:08:34] <cmn32480> don't tell J.. she won't understand why I'm getting kisses from other women
[20:09:02] <janrinok> hi charon - didn't tell S you were here otherwise you would probably have received a kiss too
[20:09:15] <cmn32480> ~nelson charon
[20:09:15] * charon blushes
[20:09:17] <exec> 03charon: HA! HA!
[20:09:38] <charon> give her my best
[20:10:01] <janrinok> she going to sleep now, so I will pass on your wishes tomorrow am
[20:10:16] <bytram> charon: sorry, I'm too tired to sort this out atm... been up and at it since about 11 hrs ago.
[20:10:33] <bytram> janrinok: and, I supsect you'll be gone 'ere long so...
[20:10:38] <bytram> ~gnight janrinok
[20:10:40] * exec cohesively pits an exchange server of pain against janrinok
[20:10:48] <bytram> nap time for me
[20:10:50] <bytram> ~gnight cmn32480
[20:10:52] * exec seductively slides a whiff of hip hop to cmn32480
[20:10:53] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[20:10:54] <bytram> ~gnight charon
[20:10:54] <charon> bytram: no worries, it was the best answer i could come up with to your question
[20:10:56] * exec flatulantly violates a keg of rainbows with bytram
[20:10:57] * exec suspiciously queefs a hammerfs volume of pocket rocket at charon
[20:11:01] <janrinok> bytram - I wouldn't worry, our community will point it out if it is wrong, and it isn't bad enough to prevent release this we
[20:11:06] <charon> ~gnight bytram
[20:11:08] * exec derisively mixes your mom's bra, full of AIDS with bytram
[20:11:15] * cmn32480 is with janrinok
[20:11:51] <janrinok> looks like I was too late for bytram ...
[20:12:00] <janrinok> ok, I'll be going now
[20:12:05] <janrinok> ~gnight cmn32480
[20:12:06] * exec sneakily stuffs a stocking of chinese chili into cmn32480
[20:12:08] <cmn32480> ~gnight janrinok
[20:12:09] <janrinok> ~gnight charon
[20:12:10] * exec hideously irritates a treasure chest of CoC with janrinok
[20:12:11] * exec sexually impales a gift of Lipton iced tea on charon
[20:12:12] <janrinok> ~gnight bytram
[20:12:14] <charon> ~gnight janrinok be well
[20:12:15] * exec diabolically ejaculates a keg of caulk at bytram
[20:12:17] * exec abrasively extracts a rar archive of excitement from janrinok
[20:13:11] <janrinok> bytram's moved to dev to try to resolve it there
[20:13:34] <cmn32480> shoudln't you be asleep already?
[20:14:06] <janrinok> yeah, I 'spose so
[20:15:15] <bytram> nah, I was just putting it out for TMB to see and comment on it, in its own 'space', so to speak
[20:15:17] <bytram> or write
[20:15:28] <bytram> always good to see ya here!
[20:15:31] <cmn32480> is it a safe 'space'?
[20:15:40] <bytram> and rather rare for me -- we seems to keep opposing schedules
[20:16:01] <bytram> yessir! Comes with free rolls of bubble wrap!
[20:16:11] <bytram> ;)
[20:16:19] <janrinok> I'm suppose to switch this thing off about now,
[20:16:22] <bytram> okay... hitting the hay... catch y'all laters
[20:16:36] <cmn32480> .kick janrinok
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[20:16:47] * cmn32480 giggles
[20:16:54] <charon> that's one way to solve the problem
[20:17:05] <cmn32480> I also thoguht the space in front woudl stop it from working....
[20:17:10] <cmn32480> harumph
[20:17:11] <charon> hah
[20:17:16] <cmn32480> live and learn
[20:28:34] <charon> welp, i am off for the rest of the evening. catch you later on
[20:31:35] <cmn32480> ~gnifhgt charon
[20:31:39] <cmn32480> ~gnight charon
[20:31:41] * exec crutchyly coalesces an armpit of baconated grapefruit with charon
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[23:00:11] <bytram> http://www.computerworld.com
[23:00:13] <exec> └─ 13Microsoft's monthlong patch delay could pose risks | Computerworld
[23:00:13] <bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[23:00:15] <exec> └─ 13Microsoft cancels February Patch Tuesday despite 0-day in wild | Ars Technica
[23:01:45] <bytram> http://www.securityweek.com
[23:01:48] <exec> └─ 13High Severity Flaw Patched in OpenSSL 1.1.0 | SecurityWeek.Com
[23:06:02] <bytram> http://www.computerworld.com
[23:06:06] <exec> └─ 13Microsoft shelves all February security updates | Computerworld
[23:06:30] <bytram> https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com
[23:06:32] <exec> └─ 13February 2017 security update release – MSRC