#editorial | Logs for 2017-02-04

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[00:13:24] <nick> trump has come in with another winning tweet today
[00:13:32] <nick> "We must keep "evil" out of our country!"
[00:16:35] <Bytram> so, does that mean he's leaving? ba dum, dum
[00:16:44] <Bytram> https://phys.org
[00:16:46] <exec> └─ 13Cliffs collapse at Hawaii volcano, stopping 'firehose' flow
[00:16:58] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[00:17:00] <exec> └─ 13FYI: Ticking time-bomb fault will brick Cisco gear after 18 months • The Register
[00:17:13] <Bytram> https://www.washingtonpost.com
[00:17:14] <exec> └─ 13The FCC is stopping 9 companies from providing federally subsidized Internet to the poor - The Washington Post
[00:18:38] <nick> mmmmmm that's why we pay all the extra money for cisco... a brand you can trust
[00:20:14] <nick> that FCC story is interesting
[00:39:39] <charon_> am i the only person who really loathes it when someone asks your first name so they can use it in every sentence?
[00:42:26] <Bytram> Please, tell me why that bothers you, charon.
[00:42:33] <Bytram> ;)
[00:43:12] <Bytram> It is good to use a person's name, occasionally; but every sentence is not the proper occasion!
[00:43:30] <Bytram> "familiarity breeds contempt"
[00:46:02] <Bytram> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[00:46:04] <exec> └─ 13New SMB bug: How to crash Windows system with a 'link of death' • The Register
[00:46:55] <charon_> that SMB story is about to run
[00:47:07] <Bytram> noice!
[00:48:07] <charon_> still don't get how Super Mario Brothers can do that, but i'm not a tech guy
[00:48:56] <Bytram> beats me... never owned a console, and not into gaming
[00:49:12] <Bytram> break time; biab
[01:46:19] Bytram is now known as Bytram|file
[01:46:23] <Bytram|file> #fite cmn32480
[01:46:23] <MrPlow> #fite temporarily restricted to the channel #fite
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[03:22:13] -!- mode/#editorial [+v mrpg] by Hephaestus
[03:23:06] <mrpg> imdb is retiring the boards :-( http://www.imdb.com
[03:23:08] <exec> └─ 13Message Boards - IMDb
[03:25:24] <charon> hiyo mrpg
[03:25:39] <mrpg> charon: hi
[03:25:49] <mrpg> and now? where am I going to go to read that actors are stupid/mean/hot/look like someone/whatever?
[03:25:58] <charon> hahahaha: "we have concluded that IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive, useful experience for the vast majority of our more than 250 million monthly users worldwide"
[03:26:20] <charon> translated: it's a sewer and we don't know how to fix it
[03:26:34] <mrpg> it is useful! I see people attacking people for actor they dont personally know!
[03:27:07] <mrpg> They should give a DB dump like wikipedia.
[03:27:26] <charon> gamefaqs is probably a worse forum
[03:36:33] <mrpg> sadly i think this story is only interesting to me and the other 12 users of the boards.
[03:39:08] <nick> didn't imdb force you to register to read their message boards?
[03:40:26] <mrpg> not to read.
[03:41:09] <nick> i just remember being on imdb and wanting to see some of the discussions related to a movie, and it set some limit to what i could see without being registered
[03:41:14] <nick> maybe i'm wrong, or that's something else
[03:42:34] <mrpg> the IMDb message boards are an aging and unscalable piece of software built 15 years ago [...] Once we no longer have the huge drag of the boards software, it opens up all kinds of new possibilities.
[03:43:11] <charon> they can put more ads where the forums used to be
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[03:50:17] <mrpg> they are using something called https://en.wikipedia.org - in summary, let your users be your support and dont pay real support employees.
[03:50:18] <exec> └─ 13Get Satisfaction - Wikipedia
[03:50:32] <mrpg> go ask some user, user.
[03:51:28] <charon> cmn32480: when the poll is posted what do i do with the story sub in the queue?
[03:52:59] <cmn32480> usually, accept and set to not display. often we hide them in 1970
[03:53:08] * cmn32480 passes the keys for the SN time machine
[03:53:32] <charon> sweet, it's a Delorean
[03:53:42] <cmn32480> can you do 90?
[03:54:03] <charon> if you've got the plutonium, i can handle the car
[03:54:22] <cmn32480> isn't plutonium sold in all the corner drug stores in 2017?
[03:54:35] <charon> nah, we have mr fusion now
[03:54:42] <cmn32480> right on!
[03:55:54] <charon> thanks takyon!
[03:55:57] <charon> Are you sure you want to post a story 24720162 minutes in the past?
[03:56:18] <cmn32480> YES!
[04:13:53] <charon> that would kill me. i think we'd all quit
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[05:31:30] <Fnord666> howdy charon
[05:31:51] <charon> hiyo Fnord666
[05:31:57] <charon> how's things?
[05:32:13] <Fnord666> good now that I've had a little nap. Yourself?
[05:32:40] <charon> doing fine. dropping stories into a low queu
[05:33:20] <Fnord666> did that myself earlier
[05:33:36] <charon> yeah, i saw you saved us from running dry
[05:33:41] <charon> Fnord666++
[05:33:41] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 7
[05:35:03] <Fnord666> I was at work so I didn't have a huge amount of time to keep going but every little bit helps.
[05:35:11] <charon> the boss dropped by in #soylent, might be interested in the backscroll there
[05:36:25] <charon> nothing super interesting, but it seems he is not on often
[05:36:26] <Fnord666> I was just reading it. You VOLUNTEERED?
[05:36:32] <charon> sure, why not?
[05:36:44] <Fnord666> No idea. Just teasing a bit
[05:36:54] <charon> lol
[05:37:28] <charon> can't tell if cmn was teasing too or seriously running away
[05:37:31] <Fnord666> Everyone just says to never volunteer
[05:37:44] <charon> and yet here we both are
[05:38:27] <Fnord666> good point.
[05:41:43] <charon> a nap? you must be getting old
[05:44:14] <Fnord666> All of our production work is done at off hours so when I have changes going live I'm working at 3am. But there is the getting older thing too.
[05:44:40] <Fnord666> Been up early several days this week
[05:45:13] <charon> i am usually up at 3a because that's how i like it. but having to rotate the schedule around sucks. my sympathies
[05:45:38] <Fnord666> It's not often so ....
[05:47:17] <Fnord666> anyway, how is charon?
[05:48:46] <charon> doing alright. slow night at work again. now at home i am just puttering. reading some SoylentNewsHistory
[05:49:56] <charon> not that i'd understand but are the changes you're dropping tonight interesting?
[05:50:45] <mrpg> omg I just read all the drama surrounding the beginning of SN, wow.
[05:51:01] <Fnord666> No changes tonight. a few this past week but my schedules a little whack.
[05:51:02] <charon> hah, yeah it was kind of a big deal
[05:51:18] <Fnord666> mrpg - with /. and all of that?
[05:51:28] <charon> i was not involved with the site then, but i was a reader, so i saw the stories about it
[05:51:51] <mrpg> no, the site, the domain, the transfer, barrabas, etc. thats why in school i never liked to work in groups
[05:51:56] <charon> i think he means with barrabas and NC taking over
[05:52:02] <mrpg> yes
[05:52:21] <mrpg> i want to rescue this " Starting March 15th, there will be a daily "hour of hate" in which a major tech company will be profiled"
[05:52:40] <charon> ???
[05:53:04] <charon> ¿¿¿
[05:53:06] <Fnord666> ah yes.
[05:53:43] <Fnord666> charon - you know I hate having to turn my monitor over.
[05:54:22] <mrpg> charon: a fake comment about the new direction of the site :)
[05:54:49] <charon> sounds like an april fool's day post
[05:56:10] <mrpg> Found it: https://soylentnews.org
[05:56:12] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | A Resignation
[05:57:03] <mrpg> this was better than a mexican soap opera!
[05:57:14] <charon> that is a funny post, good catch
[05:57:25] <charon> mrpg++
[05:57:25] <Bender> karma - mrpg: 6
[05:58:27] <charon> none of the people involved in that post are active. poster, voters, response post...
[05:58:56] <mrpg> that was in 2014?
[05:59:01] <charon> yeah
[06:06:52] <Fnord666> "It helps us to pro-actively brand our site using win-win customer retention strategies by defining sectoral niches that cross-pend established paradigms and web frameworks."
[06:07:07] <Fnord666> ...and we have a winner in buzzword bingo!
[06:11:20] <charon> i got all the way to "cross-pend" before my eyes glazed over
[06:12:04] <Fnord666> https://soylentnews.org
[06:12:09] <exec> └─ 13On John's Departure ... - SoylentNews
[06:13:22] <Fnord666> I got a group together to do a psych experiment in a quarterly presentation one time
[06:14:07] <Fnord666> When the presenter was on the left of the stage everyone started moving a bit, looking down, not paying attention.
[06:14:27] <Fnord666> When they were on the right everyone sat up, paid attention, and didn't fidget.
[06:14:40] <Fnord666> Had the poor guy pinned to the far right of the stage by the end.
[06:14:45] <charon> lol
[06:16:04] <charon> and he probably didn't consciously know why
[06:16:52] <Fnord666> Absolutely not.
[06:17:14] <Fnord666> I blame my psych prof, who did experiments with his classes
[06:18:09] <mrpg> i blame ubuntu
[06:18:20] <charon> ~blame
[06:18:21] * exec points at Bytram
[06:22:26] <Fnord666> Bytram it is!
[06:28:54] <charon> man, jasassin doesn't need anyone to respond. he'll just keep typing to himself
[06:33:00] <Fnord666> Lol. I was just watching that.
[06:33:17] <Fnord666> Are we sure it's not a bot that just got a bad update?
[06:33:41] <charon> ha! he's somewhat coherent when you talk to him, he can't be a bot
[06:33:53] <Fnord666> I should create a github repository for a bot with his name
[06:34:05] <charon> or if so, someone has passed the turing test
[06:36:06] <Fnord666> or a perso nahs failed it
[06:36:16] <Fnord666> or a person has failed it
[06:36:17] <charon> lol
[06:36:43] <charon> i was thinking that too. the inverse Turing test. a person who cannot be distinguished from a chatbot
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[06:37:10] <charon> wb nick
[06:37:15] <nick> ty
[06:37:44] <nick> wrote two long comments for the electric car story, gave up and wrote a short one that was hopefully a bit more coherent if a little off topic
[06:37:48] <Fnord666> howdy nick
[06:38:36] <nick> hey Fnord666
[06:39:39] <Fnord666> I think jasassin got into some bad weed.
[06:42:44] <mrpg> it's been a good night, see you later.
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[06:55:11] <charon> a lot of response in that thread, but i may be the only one who actually has an EV
[06:56:11] <nick> i think there's a small handful of people in the community who do have an EV
[06:56:39] <charon> i know P666 is an evangelist, but he does not own one
[06:57:11] <nick> and to go back on my favourite topic of Tesla... you're a lot more tolerable than the asshats on seekingalpha who have a model s and like to proclaim it's the best car in the world ever, and there's no reason you wouldn't want one
[06:57:20] <charon> lol
[06:57:35] <charon> i'm not nuts about it. i just want a mode of transport
[06:57:57] <nick> yeah, when you explained your use case, it makes a lot of sense
[06:58:16] <nick> and as ive said in my comments now, i've actually changed my perspective over the last year
[06:58:19] <nick> I do want an EV
[06:58:33] <nick> but no one is planning on selling one that fits what i need in a vehicle
[06:59:33] <charon> yeap. bigger batteries and faster charging needed. but if no one buys the current models, there's no incentive for companies to research the next generation
[07:01:54] <Fnord666> chicken and egg
[07:02:26] <Fnord666> and too many big parties that have a financial interest in it not succeeding
[07:02:27] <nick> i think there's plenty of incentive, fleet buyers
[07:02:54] <nick> but fleet buyers are not going to go with a 'lets buy 500 vehicles that are not what we need, because if we don't... we might never get the ones we do want!'
[07:02:55] <Fnord666> ones that should have, by all rights, gone under
[07:03:02] <charon> well... i think it's more like an expanding puddle. i and the nutjob early adopters happen to be inside the current radius of the puddle
[07:03:29] <charon> because i'm there, the puddle gets bigger and can emcompass more cases
[07:03:45] <nick> Fnord666, it's going to be a transition... the world isn't going to wake up one day and suddenly go 'time to buy an EV'
[07:03:53] <nick> most people do not have the economic ability to do it, even if they wanted to
[07:04:05] <Fnord666> no, that's true
[07:04:10] <charon> rental fleet turnover is what, 2-3 years?
[07:04:27] <nick> rental fleet is pretty short, but when i was last working for a big corp
[07:04:30] <charon> they sell off the older vehicles and buy new ones, that's the way it always is
[07:04:33] <nick> they extended their fleet from 3 years to 5
[07:04:43] <nick> and i know some commercial fleets that are on 10 year cycles now
[07:04:48] <charon> really?
[07:04:55] <charon> that's some serious belt tightening
[07:05:01] <Fnord666> you need the infrastructure to support EVs too though, particularly in the case of rentals
[07:05:35] <nick> the company i worked for... people who worked right in the city didn't even get a company car
[07:05:54] <nick> they had to take some tools via the train, and then a van would go round and deliver to each job site
[07:06:22] <nick> which saved the company a lot of money, whilst they also extended the age of their fleet because they didnt have to keep up with the inner city emissions rules
[07:06:29] <charon> in a congested city like london, that may be a favor
[07:06:41] <charon> who the hell wants to drive there?
[07:07:05] <nick> Fnord666, in one of my given up on comments... i noted that i'm aware of a small country that has gone green by introducing electric car charging stations
[07:07:19] <nick> however, the counties entire power supply comes from diesel generators
[07:07:27] <nick> country
[07:07:28] <Fnord666> me snorts
[07:07:35] * Fnord666 snorts
[07:07:42] <charon> hmm, not ideal
[07:08:00] <Fnord666> Time also plays into the equation
[07:08:01] <nick> but on paper, they're going green and building 'renewable infrastructure'
[07:08:13] <nick> not even sure if there are any EVs in the whole damn country
[07:08:42] <Fnord666> But you could wholesale replace the generation part later with a different source.
[07:08:52] <charon> that's an absolutely valid discussion to have, about the source of electricity, and whether it is more polluting than the gasoline
[07:09:02] <nick> Fnord666, the time is important... ICE an EV vehicles are going to get to a point, probably around 2023 where they're actually supporting each other
[07:09:17] <nick> less oil going into the consumer supply chain, more for commercial and industrial use
[07:09:45] <nick> there's going to be a really nice point of supply and demand where both 'alternative' and 'oil' energy industries are making out like bandits
[07:09:50] <nick> in my opinion that is
[07:09:56] <Fnord666> Sometimes it's just physics. The energy transfer rate of gasoline for ICE has us all spoiled terribly.
[07:10:15] <charon> but it's what? 25%?
[07:10:17] <Fnord666> Filling up a car at the pump I mean.
[07:10:28] <charon> oh, nm. wrong question
[07:10:36] <Fnord666> why I clarified
[07:10:57] <Fnord666> 5 min and you have energy for 300 miles of travel.
[07:10:58] <nick> EV's need to sort that out, and i'm sure they're working on it
[07:11:05] <nick> with swapping batteries and such
[07:11:08] <charon> yes, charging will almost certainly never get that fast
[07:11:23] <Fnord666> very true and it's only going to get better I suspect.
[07:11:26] <charon> swapping would, but ... hmm
[07:11:32] <nick> but while the world we live in is 24hrs 365 days a year
[07:11:44] <nick> the economy can't take that backwards step and lose productivity
[07:11:58] <Fnord666> takes us back to the bandwidth of a station wagon full of data storage tapes argument
[07:12:10] <Fnord666> swapping out battery packs that is.
[07:12:51] <Fnord666> nick is that a couldn't or wouldn't argument?
[07:12:55] <charon> too many problems with swapping. nothing is standarized
[07:13:00] <nick> if we had a more continential european attitude to life, where siestas are a thing and things happen on regional variants of 'island time' that's one thing.
[07:13:03] <charon> except the power plug
[07:13:41] <nick> i'd be all for that, but from my experience, time is money and all that business, people don't have to wait for anything anymore
[07:13:46] <nick> everything is on demand now
[07:14:36] <Fnord666> I'm pretty much sick of 3 years being the horizon beyond which no one can see or plan anything.
[07:14:50] <nick> agreed
[07:14:55] <charon> end of the fiscal quarter
[07:15:04] <Fnord666> If it doesn't impact the next quarterly statement, then screw it.
[07:15:56] <Fnord666> The key decision maker will be collecting his bonus and be on to the next company anyway long before the long term impact of his shortsighted plans ever comes back to haunt them.
[07:16:59] <nick> there's a few things i'd like to see in the world... but i can't see how they're going to happen as a business can't be built on it
[07:17:28] <Fnord666> When a new exec gets hired in and his LinkedIn profile is a series of 3 year stints, look at the companies he was at 10-15 years ago to see what his impact will really be.
[07:17:57] <nick> sustainability and energy efficiency are extremely important... but if we have reliable technology that's affordable on mass market levels, and has renewable energy source... who's getting paid for the next 50 years off that?
[07:18:52] <Fnord666> planned obsolescence and all that.
[07:20:09] <nick> look at smartphones, the example i used in my post... you have to pay a lot for one, they last 3 years, and you still have to pay every month and agree to for a long period to actually use it.
[07:20:11] <Fnord666> That has to be a careful conversation though or you are the guy who believes that 100mpg carburetors were buried by the oil companies.
[07:20:36] <charon> but... you just said the shortsighted executives don't care about the future. they'll sell us things that don't ever need replacing and take their golden parachute before the company runs out of people to sell to
[07:21:24] <charon> Fnord666: says the guy who subbed a free energy story
[07:21:24] <nick> i am sure there's more efficiency without the unreliability to come out of an ICE motor, just no one seems to have the production to manage it
[07:21:55] <Fnord666> lol
[07:21:58] <Fnord666> :)
[07:22:29] <nick> i'm sure it's 'improved' over the originals, but companies like toyota are still making the same ICE engines they were in the 80s in some cases
[07:22:51] <nick> what was in a production car is now in a forklift truck
[07:23:47] <nick> well some are, they're just mostly in chinese production cars now as far as i know
[07:24:54] <charon> there comes a point when everything that can be optimized has been and there is no more slack in the system
[07:25:29] <charon> maybe ICEs are coming to that point
[07:26:33] <nick> i really hope so... as much as i love the sound of a real engine, response and 'personality' of driving a car... it's stupid that it hasn't been surpassed already
[07:26:58] <charon> jetpacks
[07:27:28] <Fnord666> because I want the idiots currently driving automobiles to be flying jetpacks around.
[07:27:34] <charon> hehehe
[07:27:34] <Fnord666> right...
[07:27:58] <nick> i used to love cars... but it's such a chore now... i've spent so much time over the last few years doing market research for buying different cars.
[07:28:38] <Fnord666> All of the flying anything is just so much bs. You have to get a license to fly a drone for $deity's sake.
[07:28:40] <nick> Fnord666, they'd only fly it around once.
[07:29:00] <Fnord666> ok, maybe there is a positive aspect to this.
[07:29:33] <charon> there's no way autonomous personal flying vehicles will ever be allowed in the US
[07:29:37] <Fnord666> My luck they'd crash into my house and burn it to the ground
[07:31:14] <charon> i'm not much of a car guy, but i am trying to remember anything significant in ICE development after fuel injection
[07:31:15] <nick> charon, it's not like highly possible, but i could see it in a limited extent
[07:31:27] <nick> but we would be talking decades from now
[07:31:32] <Fnord666> hmmm
[07:32:53] <Fnord666> electronic ignitions, overhead camshafts, all good developments but I think precede fuel injection for gasoline engines
[07:33:01] <nick> well, it's not a new thing... but they've added turbos to a lot of 'efficient' car engines now
[07:33:24] <charon> nitrous cooling!
[07:35:41] <nick> just got visions of 'the fast and the furious' now
[07:35:57] <Fnord666> ECUs and injection mapping have come a long way because of fuel injection.
[07:37:01] <nick> ECUs make a big difference it seems, if you've ever bypassed one to find out.
[07:37:57] <Fnord666> The ability to dynamically control the operating characteristics of the engine based on the current situation has been a huge change.
[07:38:17] <charon> Holy cow: "Experimental engines have been made and tested that have no camshaft, but have full electronic control of the intake and exhaust valve opening, valve closing and area of the valve opening."
[07:38:19] <Fnord666> Before that it was mostly choosing the best average case
[07:38:37] <nick> charon, link?
[07:38:38] <charon> i know just enough to understand how nuts that is
[07:38:44] <charon> https://en.wikipedia.org
[07:38:45] <exec> └─ 13Engine control unit - Wikipedia
[07:39:10] <Fnord666> yep. The problem is valves that can be electronically controlled at the rate needed by an ICE
[07:39:27] <Fnord666> nick - don't you follow F1?
[07:39:37] <nick> not anymore
[07:39:39] <Fnord666> F1 racing that is
[07:39:40] <charon> i think that's bytram
[07:39:43] <Fnord666> ah
[07:39:54] <nick> charon is probably right
[07:40:10] <Fnord666> several companies worked on using that idea for F1 racing engines
[07:40:14] <nick> i used to enjoy it, but WRC was always my thing until that went shit too
[07:40:49] <Fnord666> but their average rpm is even crazier and they always ran into mechanical limitations
[07:41:08] <nick> probably around 15 years ago i stopped watching both F1 and WRC regularly
[07:41:33] <nick> i saw some Formula-E(?) a while ago
[07:41:54] <Fnord666> Anyone remember Cadillac's 8-6-4 engine concept?
[07:42:03] <charon> not a clue
[07:42:10] <charon> is that cylinders?
[07:42:15] <Fnord666> where the EDU could effectively "idle" some of the cylinders when the power wasn't needed.
[07:42:18] <Fnord666> ECU
[07:42:40] <Fnord666> but it was mechanical and didn't fair well if I recall correctly.
[07:42:45] <charon> that's a clever idea. hmm, what's the camshaft doing there?
[07:42:52] <nick> when did they first do that?
[07:43:13] <Fnord666> exactly, but you see where this is going with the independent valves, right?
[07:43:27] <charon> i guess if the valves never open on the idle cylinders
[07:43:42] <Fnord666> http://content.time.com
[07:43:43] <exec> └─ 131981 Cadillac Fleetwood V-8-6-4 - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME
[07:43:51] <nick> hah
[07:44:56] <Fnord666> Right now I think they just shut down the injectors
[07:46:10] <nick> i'd like it, if you could select it before starting up or something
[07:46:14] <Fnord666> BTW the whole "50 Worst Cars" series there is a fun read
[07:46:34] <nick> instead of it trying to keep up with you, just set it if you want to save fuel kind of thing
[07:46:35] <charon> the delorean is not a bad car. you take that back, Time!
[07:47:34] <nick> i call bullshit on the masterati biturbo
[07:47:53] <Fnord666> SAw one not too long ago. Guy drove it to a party a friend was having. Nicely restored too.
[07:48:01] <Fnord666> the DMC I mean.
[07:48:25] <Fnord666> But you got to admit the Cimarron belongs on that list.
[07:48:28] <charon> the gullwing doors are what make that car
[07:49:10] <nick> i dont even like the delorean but i find it factually inaccurate for it to be on that list
[07:49:10] <charon> snazzy
[07:49:13] <Fnord666> and the flux capacitor
[07:49:27] <charon> Fnord666: that's an aftermarket part
[07:49:35] <Fnord666> good point
[07:50:03] <Fnord666> car and license plate by John DeLorean.
[07:50:23] <charon> oh the Yugo! that's about right
[07:50:31] <Fnord666> Whoever wrote the piece definitely has an axe to grind in some cases.
[07:50:49] <nick> i disagree with so many cars being on this list
[07:51:22] <charon> i see nothing wrong in the EV1
[07:51:51] <Fnord666> Apparently "worst" doesn't mean what the author thinks it means
[07:52:18] <charon> i haven't gone backwards, but if the pinto isn't number 1, i'll eat my hat
[07:52:28] <Fnord666> To this day my dad still wants a prowler.
[07:52:54] <Fnord666> They're by era though
[07:53:03] <charon> oh, i see
[07:53:27] <Fnord666> but it's on the list
[07:53:35] <Fnord666> http://content.time.com
[07:53:36] <exec> └─ 131971 Ford Pinto - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME
[07:53:44] <charon> the prowler is almost cool
[07:54:36] <Fnord666> except for the V6 engine
[07:54:41] <Fnord666> and no manual tranny
[07:54:54] <charon> yeah, that body cries out for a v12
[07:54:55] <Fnord666> hey the trabant made the list
[07:55:34] <charon> oh, the chevette! i learned to drive on one of those
[07:55:50] <charon> it really was a bad car. but a tight turning radius
[07:55:52] <Fnord666> Not the gremlin!
[07:57:42] <charon> i have never hear of the amphicar, but now i must have one
[07:58:10] <nick> http://content.time.com
[07:58:11] <exec> └─ 131909 Ford Model T - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME
[07:58:54] <nick> "conferred to Americans the notion of automobility as something akin to natural law, a right endowed by our Creator. A century later, the consequences of putting every living soul on gas-powered wheels are piling up"
[07:59:17] <charon> yeeaaaahhh... nah
[07:59:59] <Fnord666> http://content.time.com
[08:00:00] <exec> └─ 131911 Overland OctoAuto - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME
[08:00:04] <Fnord666> need one of these too
[08:00:52] <charon> that is an odd sight
[08:01:03] <nick> nice story on that one
[08:01:26] <nick> damn it's late...
[08:02:22] <charon> getting on to bedtime for me
[08:03:44] <nick> going to make efforts in that direction
[08:04:06] <Fnord666> me also.
[08:04:08] <charon> ~gnight nick
[08:04:10] * exec romantically cracks open a matrix of U-matic tapes for nick
[08:04:14] <charon> ~gnight Fnord666
[08:04:15] * exec historically requisitions a truecrypt volume of SARS for Fnord666
[08:04:16] <Fnord666> ~gnight charon
[08:04:18] * exec carefully generates a small script that substitutes an A cup of spew for charon
[08:04:21] <Fnord666> ~gnight nick
[08:04:22] * exec unnecessarily sodomizes a tremendouns number of windows with nick
[08:04:53] * nick notes that apparently none of the worst cars in the world got released between 1987-1994
[08:05:00] * nick hat tips Fnord666
[08:05:03] * nick hat tips charon
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