#editorial | Logs for 2017-01-29

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[00:00:15] <charon_> maybe. but people who have houses and cars that they can't return to are screwed
[00:00:38] <cmn32480> we were able to bring our cars home
[00:00:46] <cmn32480> they all fit in a shoebox
[00:01:32] <Bytram> I hear tell there's a request for his shoebox back from Paul Bunyan
[00:01:57] <cmn32480> nah... I was able to lift all three of them in the shoebox...
[00:02:06] <cmn32480> they is only 5oz each
[00:02:13] <Bytram> matchbox?
[00:02:18] <cmn32480> Pine wood derby
[00:02:25] <Bytram> ahhh, got it!
[00:02:46] <charon_> how many pennies glued to the bottom?
[00:03:10] <cmn32480> we use washers, nuts and bolts
[00:04:01] <Bytram> and, I expect, WD-40?
[00:04:07] <cmn32480> graphite
[00:04:13] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:08:13] <charon_> painted vantablack so you can't even see it cross the finish line
[00:08:40] <cmn32480> photocells.... the computer sees all
[00:09:09] <charon_> i take it you got the track aligned so no one went airborne?
[00:09:18] <cmn32480> correct
[00:09:26] <Bytram> charon: s/no one/everyone/
[00:09:34] <Bytram> charon_: s/no one/everyone/
[00:09:35] <exec> <Bytram> <charon_> i take it you got the track aligned so everyone went airborne?
[00:09:47] <charon_> heh
[00:09:54] <cmn32480> the guys who tried and failed seeting it up were obviously idiots
[00:10:12] <Bytram> cmn32480: s/ee/es/
[00:10:13] <exec> <Bytram> <cmn32480> the guys who tried and failed sesting it up were obviously idiots
[00:10:20] <Bytram> cmn32480: s/es/et/
[00:10:35] <cmn32480> /me is exhausted
[00:10:41] <charon_> exec: s/es/et/g
[00:10:42] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:10:43] <exec> <charon_> <exec> <Bytram> <cmn32480> the guys who tried and failed setting it up were obviously idiots
[00:10:44] * Bytram too
[00:10:54] <Bytram> brb dishes
[00:11:02] <cmn32480> home late last night
[00:11:13] <cmn32480> back at the church this morning at 7
[00:11:18] <Bytram> ugh.
[00:11:21] * cmn32480 needs some zzzzz's
[00:11:26] <charon_> rowdy kids
[00:11:34] <Bytram> nod nod nodding off, amirite?
[00:11:41] <cmn32480> correct
[00:12:11] * Bytram hit the hay at 11:30 or so; woke @ 0330, got back to bed at 0730, slept maybe an hour more
[00:12:30] * Bytram needs some anti-coffe
[00:12:38] <Bytram> s/e$/ee/
[00:12:39] <exec> <Bytram> needs some anti-coffee
[00:12:41] * cmn32480 just needs sleep
[00:12:52] * cmn32480 passes bytram the benedryl
[00:13:13] <Bytram> and it sounds like the neighbors decided to start practicing their electric guitar
[00:13:25] <Bytram> time to do the dishes; biab
[00:14:00] <cmn32480> nothign personal... I'm off to bed.... my ass is draggin'
[00:14:07] <cmn32480> ~gnight Bytram
[00:14:09] * exec retroactively $action a test tube of toejam $preposition Bytram
[00:14:13] <cmn32480> ~gnight charon_
[00:14:14] * exec whole-heartedly throws a Borg cube of pencil shavings at charon_
[00:14:16] <charon_> ~gnight cmn32480
[00:14:17] * exec buttmagically refactors a raid 4 volume of paper chads for cmn32480
[00:14:44] <cmn32480> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[00:14:45] * exec insatiably pukes a purse of Boaty McBoatface on TheMightyBuzzard
[00:15:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight cmn32480
[00:15:25] * exec analiciously deletes a mouthful of humility from cmn32480
[00:20:00] <Bytram> ~gnight cmn32480
[00:20:01] * exec single-candidly bitchslaps a rar archive of poop cola with cmn32480
[00:20:25] <Fnord666> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[00:20:27] * exec sexually liberates 40 gallons worth of buttmagic from TheMightyBuzzard
[00:21:35] <charon_> that may be the filthiest thing i've ever read
[00:23:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i ain't goin nowheres. it's digesting time round these parts.
[00:23:56] <Fnord666> TheMightyBuzzard how did the smokin go?
[00:25:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh man... pulled pork that the roomie cut up with a plastic fork, cheesy taters with chili peppers and bacon, baked beans, stuffed jalapenos, asparagus and a stick of butter wrapped in tinfoil and thrown on the smoker.
[00:26:33] <charon_> sounds delicious
[00:26:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can barely move
[00:27:00] <Fnord666> That sounds amazing
[00:29:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> was prolly a $50 meal for two guys. course it'll feed us for days now.
[00:33:20] <Fnord666> charon_ - check the back scroll for a comment from takyon re a small editing miss by us.
[00:34:01] <charon_> yeah, i saw it. was my editing error. takyon fixed it
[00:34:47] <Fnord666> I should have caught it too.
[00:36:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh. until you've put out a headline about winding back the Alzheimer's Cock, you're still in training.
[00:36:40] <Fnord666> seriously?
[00:36:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh yeah.
[00:36:56] <Bytram> but when you go off an crow about it, now THAT's something!
[00:36:56] <Fnord666> nice
[00:36:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[00:37:02] <exec> └─ 13Can we Turn Back the Clock on Alzheimer’s? - SoylentNews
[00:37:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> it got fixed but...
[00:38:15] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: s/ut/utt/
[00:38:17] <exec> <Bytram> <TheMightyBuzzard> it got fixed butt...
[00:38:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> fixed butt is better than broke ass
[00:40:36] <Bytram> ROFL!
[00:40:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> though mine does have a crack in it
[00:41:08] <charon_> and he was the head editor
[00:41:15] <Bytram> better find some way to seal it back up, then.
[00:41:29] <Fnord666> superglue
[00:41:33] <Bytram> actually still is, yanno?
[00:42:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> didn't janrinok take over that post?
[00:42:26] <Bytram> oh, did that story come before JR?
[00:43:07] <Fnord666> LaminatorX and azrael
[00:43:17] <Fnord666> on the story
[00:43:24] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:44:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> no i mean re: <Bytram> actually still is, yanno?
[00:44:12] <Bytram> between LamX and JR, they pretty much kept us in stories for a couple months all by themselves; when the sub queue ran low, they'd find and submit stories themselves.
[00:44:38] <Fnord666> awesome also that it would have been on the stories page as the title for a while
[00:45:09] * Bytram did not notice the link; just clicked it now
[00:46:24] <Bytram> okay, I done be worn out, too... gonna hit the hay.
[00:46:34] <charon_> http://www.timesofisrael.com
[00:46:34] <Bytram> maybe try to post one last comment
[00:46:36] <exec> └─ 13Iran vows to bar Americans in response to Trump's 'insulting' ban | The Times of Israel
[00:46:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, everyone hittin the bed way early tonight
[00:46:44] <Bytram> and so it begins
[00:47:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, where am i sposed to go for vacation now!
[00:47:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right, somewhere that doesn't want to kill me.
[00:48:02] <Bytram> has been a very long week and I'm still on the mend -- gotta at least get my beauty sleep, whatever little good it'll do!
[00:48:09] <Bytram> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[00:48:11] * exec casually spews a dogbox of eye crust on TheMightyBuzzard
[00:48:14] <Bytram> ~gnight charon_
[00:48:15] * exec theoretically shoves the last copy of spicy hiccups in charon_
[00:48:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight Bytram
[00:48:17] * exec covertly experiences a battery of procrastination with Bytram
[00:48:25] <Bytram> ~gnight Fnord666
[00:48:26] * exec irresponsibly pisses a truecrypt volume of grandma's gash on Fnord666
[00:48:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> and that's the truth
[00:48:28] <charon_> ~gnight Bytram
[00:48:30] * exec implicitly pilfers a pit of prizes, prizes, pr'zises! from Bytram
[00:48:32] <Fnord666> ~gnight Bytram
[00:48:34] * exec $adverb ships a safespace of tacos with Bytram
[00:48:48] <Bytram> tacos! yum
[00:52:30] <Bytram> http://digbysblog.blogspot.com
[00:52:32] <exec> └─ 13Hullabaloo
[00:53:06] <Bytram> a bit sensationalist, but suggests that Trump's rich Muslim friends won't be under the ban
[00:54:36] <charon_> of course not. you know why saudi arabia, egypt, and turkey are not under this order, right?
[00:56:16] <Fnord666> different colors on their flags?
[00:56:22] <charon_> because has really big, the best! deals happening there
[00:57:25] <Bytram> and that's it... see ya's tomorrow
[00:57:33] <charon_> https://www.bloomberg.com
[00:57:35] <exec> └─ 13Trump’s Immigration Ban Excludes Countries With Business Ties
[00:57:41] <charon_> take care bytram
[00:57:48] <Fnord666> good night Bytram
[01:01:22] * nick waves to Bytram
[01:16:37] <charon_> blah
[01:18:23] <nick> blargh
[01:25:04] <charon_> blurglecruncheon
[01:30:10] <charon_> time to donate to the ACLU and EFF
[01:33:16] <nick> http://www.sacbee.com
[01:33:18] <exec> └─ 13Calexit proponents can begin collecting voter signatures for 2018 ballot | The Sacramento Bee
[01:34:18] <charon_> so crazy, it just might work!
[01:36:08] <nick> nothing seems off the table anymore
[01:38:01] <charon_> instead of calexit, california, new york and cities with pop > 1000000 should secede together
[01:38:30] <nick> @NYGovCuomo 25 minutes ago
[01:38:30] <nick> '
[01:38:30] <nick> I have ordered the Port Authority to reverse its decision regarding the JFK AirTrain. The people of New York will have their voices heard.'
[01:38:44] <charon_> they'd be a like an archipelago of liberalism
[01:39:44] <nick> if things continue on like this, i could see that happening... would be an awful mess in policy but there could be appetite
[01:41:29] <charon_> you ever read the book "the city and the city" by China Miéville?
[01:42:58] <nick> i have not
[01:43:40] <charon_> good story and a wild premise. it takes place in a city that would look like one city to you or me. but to its residents it is actually two separate cities intertwined
[01:44:07] <charon_> people train themselves since childhood to only pay attention to theing that are happening in their city
[01:44:21] <nick> doesn't sound unlike most cities
[01:45:20] <nick> especially when you're a tourist in foreign lands, it's very easy to avoid taking a wrong turn and seeing the 'other' side of a city
[01:50:46] <nick> oh now i remember another story i was going to submit
[01:51:25] <nick> http://metro.co.uk
[01:51:27] <exec> └─ 13Diesel drivers to be charged 50% more to park in London in bid to cut pollution levels | Metro News
[01:59:04] <charon_> thanks boris!
[01:59:25] <charon_> i know he's not the mayor of london anymore
[02:00:05] <nick> should have traded in my car for that audi before i left...
[02:00:07] <nick> heh
[02:06:46] <charon_> yep, the immigration sub is on fire
[02:06:59] <charon_> and on that note, i am headed home. back in a while
[02:07:42] * nick hat tip
[02:07:50] -!- charon_ has quit [Quit: voting for idiots]
[02:12:21] <nick> http://www.theverge.com
[02:12:23] <exec> └─ 13Federal court halts Trump’s immigration ban - The Verge
[02:39:58] <charon> interesting
[02:41:11] <nick> apparently it only applies to people currently held or in-transit
[02:43:19] <nick> today is not a day you want to be flying in-out of JFK terminal 4
[02:50:12] <charon> nope
[02:50:28] <charon> and here i thought being felt up was the worst thing to happen in airports
[02:51:32] <nick> the price of food is pretty bad
[02:51:55] <nick> sandwiches that would cost $3 not in an airport are like $9 now.
[02:52:05] <charon> i've always meant to donate to the ACLU. finally got around to it
[02:54:18] <nick> story has hit 100 comments
[02:55:10] <charon> i've been counteracting undeserved troll mods
[02:55:54] <charon> i usually don't spend all my points. used 4 just in that thread
[02:58:03] <nick> it's not the greatest comment section i've seen
[02:58:28] <nick> jmorris got in there at the end too, you may be shocked to know he's quite happy with it
[02:59:13] <charon> not shocked at all
[02:59:26] <charon> even runaway seems to have some reservations
[03:00:40] <nick> i'd imagine he's noticed the conspicuously omitted countries
[03:02:01] * TheMightyBuzzard dives in and stirs the pot a bit
[03:02:18] <charon> pshhh, you already did
[03:03:10] <charon> a love story for the ages: TMB and azuma
[03:03:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, we're like oil n water
[03:03:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> she hates cock and i am one
[03:03:50] <charon> heh
[03:05:30] <charon> it's weird to find myself upvoting posts i disagree with because they are unfairly modded down
[03:06:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> as you should be. if they're worth an upmod.
[03:06:36] <charon> i want a million points like on dev
[03:07:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> hows about ten with only four being able to go to downmods?
[03:08:03] <charon> i'd say 10 with 3 is sufficient
[03:08:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, multi-post spammers
[03:08:59] <charon> i guess. maybe since spam mods are actively investigated, they can not count against the negative count
[03:09:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've used every point to mod spam before. that kinda shit's exempt from mod-bomb rules.
[03:09:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, good idear
[03:09:30] <charon> spam mods are followed up, right?
[03:09:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> always
[03:09:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i check em daily if i'm around.
[03:10:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea who else does besides bytram sometimes.
[03:10:35] <charon> do i have access to that?
[03:10:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno. might be 500+ seclev
[03:10:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[03:10:57] <exec> └─ 13- SoylentNews User
[03:11:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you can see them there, you have access
[03:11:20] <charon> nope, that brings me to the story queue
[03:11:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> 500 = senior editor
[03:11:51] <charon> no worries, not like i want more responsibility
[03:12:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> you n me both. i didn't even wanna be staff. i just wanted to submit some pull requests.
[03:12:22] <charon> sucker!
[03:12:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know. NCommander is a silver-tongued bastard.
[03:13:22] * Fnord666 chuckles
[03:13:35] <charon> i've read his manifesto stuff, but never had a conversation with him
[03:13:39] <charon> hiyo Fnord666
[03:13:52] <Fnord666> howdy
[03:14:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> know the really fun part of dropping all them comments into the immigration story? i'm not even gonna read any of the replies.
[03:14:05] <Fnord666> sounds like I need to go do some modding'
[03:14:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[03:14:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[03:14:34] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 4
[03:14:50] <charon> what's that game you linked to last week, about fart bombing people? this is the posting equivalent
[03:15:34] <Fnord666> lol
[03:16:02] <Fnord666> this is the JunoCam story, right?
[03:16:26] <charon> yeah, the junocam story totally blew up to 110 comments of infighting
[03:16:57] <Fnord666> i figured it would. There's so many different camps around that topic and they seem so fractured.
[03:17:22] <Fnord666> ok, deep breath and dive in...
[03:17:36] <charon> some sections are civil...
[03:18:13] <takyon> ~eds
[03:18:14] <exec> editor ping for takyon: janrinok zz_janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 charon GreatOutdoors FatPhil Snow goodie mrpg
[03:18:24] <charon> yes?
[03:18:25] <takyon> I'm finally going to be doing a new version of the extension to fix some bugs and things
[03:18:32] <charon> yay
[03:18:34] <Fnord666> hey takyon
[03:18:37] <takyon> so send me feature requests or whatever
[03:18:39] <takyon> might want to send it to my email
[03:18:47] <takyon> I'll bbl, watching Arrival
[03:18:58] <Fnord666> takyon@aol.com?
[03:19:05] <Fnord666> good movie!
[03:19:20] <Fnord666> story is even better
[03:19:29] <charon> i should get around to seeing it. heard good things, and amy adams is not hard to look at
[03:27:41] <Fnord666> not at all
[03:30:21] <charon> i don't know the story, though i've read other stories by ted chiang
[03:34:09] <Fnord666> It's good and goes into more detail about what is/was/will happen to amy adams' character.
[03:41:21] <charon> so how's your saturday, fnord?
[04:22:07] <takyon> ok
[04:23:56] <takyon> the big bugfix is that the DOI checker breaks when a story is all "intro" (id attribute) and no "full" (known as Extended Copy)
[04:24:30] <takyon> because it is trying to check the innerhtml of something that doesn't exist
[04:24:59] <takyon> and the feature is making it so that the admin.pl links on sub-nexii are the normal ones
[04:25:22] <takyon> so if you are on the Immigration story that has breaking news nexus, and hit Stories, you get all of them and not just breaking news ones
[04:25:48] <charon> i wasn't even aware of those
[04:26:23] <takyon> of what
[04:27:02] <charon> the bug or the need for the new feature
[04:27:33] <takyon> i noticed the bug when I tried to add the feature
[04:27:43] <takyon> since the code wouldn't run because of the early termination
[04:28:02] <charon> the big suggestion i'd make is to refactor a bit to use querySelector to find a node instead of iterating through an array of tags
[04:29:05] <takyon> is my extension slowing you down?
[04:29:13] <charon> lol
[04:29:40] <charon> it's lagging my 386
[04:29:53] <Fnord666> charon - soryy afk for a bit
[04:30:14] <takyon> maybe you are running on one of the AMD E100s or whatever netfook chips
[04:31:55] <charon> it just makes my head hurt a bit to see loops that don't even return when they find their target
[04:32:22] <charon> or break? i forget if JS uses break
[04:32:36] <Fnord666> takyon - how do you reproduce the bug you mentioned?
[04:32:55] <takyon> just load the immigration story and check your javascript console
[04:33:21] <takyon> to get rid of the bug, comment out the // DOI checker in the summary code
[04:33:55] <takyon> that's just so you can see that it goes away. the actual fix is adding an if statement in there
[04:34:04] <Fnord666> The ReferenceError?
[04:34:26] <takyon> document.getElementById("articles").getElementsByClassName("full")[0] doesn't exist on stories that don't have Extended Copy
[04:35:02] <takyon> because when you use extended copy, the text is split up into two elements instead of one
[04:36:13] <Fnord666> Ah, interesting
[04:37:13] <charon> if (!summary2) return
[04:40:49] <takyon> same diff
[04:41:00] <takyon> anyway, I want feature requests
[04:41:09] <charon> thinking....
[04:41:16] <takyon> send them to my soylent email if you need more time
[04:42:04] <charon> if you hit cancel from the URL dialog, can it not insert anything instead of inserting a tag with null as href?
[04:42:24] <charon> unless that is a feature
[04:42:36] <takyon> not a feature, just shit
[04:42:48] <takyon> i have done that several times
[04:43:08] <takyon> ok, written down
[04:43:44] <Fnord666> Can it prefill the dialog with the contents of the clipboard?
[04:43:55] <Fnord666> for the URL button I mean
[04:44:35] <charon> huh, i never played with the UL and OL buttons, neat
[04:44:36] <takyon> NO
[04:44:38] <takyon> NO IT CANNOT
[04:44:48] <takyon> browsers no longer allow that for security reasons
[04:44:49] <charon> he means it can, but it's a bad idea
[04:44:56] <Fnord666> um...ok?
[04:44:57] <takyon> I DIDNT SAY THAT
[04:45:01] <charon> lol
[04:45:09] <takyon> no you can't fucking do it, i've tried
[04:45:34] <takyon> maaaybe it can be done by embeding a Flash SWF in there
[04:45:40] <Fnord666> ewww
[04:45:42] <charon> probably not the best
[04:46:10] <charon> oh, i know
[04:46:18] <takyon> that is the level of workaround required AFAIK
[04:46:53] <charon> when you put a <em> inside <a> the <a> gets spaces put around it
[04:47:22] <takyon> this is really something that should be solved on soylent's end I think
[04:47:25] <charon> or... something like that?
[04:47:35] <takyon> I'm not really sure what the bug is anymore, because I thought we got a fix for it
[04:47:42] <takyon> I even filed a bug report on this
[04:47:45] <charon> i know i've seen it recently
[04:48:02] <charon> ok, so it's not the script inserting those spaces
[04:48:23] <takyon> it's the soylent parser screwing things up
[04:48:50] <takyon> I'm willing to talk about this further, so I wrote it down
[04:49:19] <takyon> lemme check rehash real quick
[04:49:22] <charon> i can't think of anything else. it makes everything easier
[04:49:42] <takyon> https://github.com
[04:50:05] <takyon> according to the above, it's fixed
[04:50:18] <takyon> but it was closed Dec 4, 2016 so maybe the fix isn't live yet
[04:50:45] <charon> like we should take TMB's word for it?
[04:50:48] <takyon> well
[04:50:58] <takyon> you can test it by going to dev.soylentnews.org and playing around there
[04:51:26] <charon> oh, i thought that was for live
[04:51:55] <takyon> live is prod?
[04:52:11] <charon> yeah, that's how i meant it
[04:52:43] <takyon> dev = new and improved beyond your wildest dreams
[04:52:53] <takyon> wildest. dreams.
[04:53:06] <charon> i've played a bit, i love the shading
[04:56:09] <charon> so the Quote This button appends the quote to the URL for the next page load?
[04:56:22] <takyon> just click it
[04:56:51] <takyon> yeah
[04:57:24] <takyon> I'm pretty sure there is a failsafe for extra long comments. well, I'm not that sure because I haven't looked at that code in a year
[04:57:25] <charon> interesting. i didn't think that would work. you could put it in localstorage too
[04:58:08] <Fnord666> are we talking about the same extension?
[04:58:20] <takyon> yes
[04:58:30] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[04:58:32] <exec> └─ 13Journal of takyon (881)
[04:59:32] <Fnord666> And there's a "Quote This" button?
[05:00:02] <charon> there's a to do note to shorten >2000 char urls, but it's not done
[05:00:13] <takyon> it gets added to top level comments
[05:00:27] <takyon> yeah it's an experimental feature
[05:00:29] <charon> the quote this button is on comments. not the editing page
[05:00:42] <Fnord666> ah. ok i remember using that now
[05:00:48] <Fnord666> thanks for the clarification
[05:01:26] <takyon> from what I understand, dev.soylentnews.org's new comment system requires all comments to be loaded... which might make it easier for me to extend the Quote This button to all comments in the future
[05:02:38] <charon> i have all comments visible at load, i never knew it wasn't on every one. but it makes sense now that i think about it
[05:03:28] <takyon> same here, but I doubt most do that and it's definitely not the default behavior
[05:03:44] <takyon> I browse at -1
[05:04:03] <charon> you monster! you convert double spaces to single!
[05:04:16] <charon> and yes, i know HTML would do it if you didn';
[05:04:18] <charon> t
[05:04:27] <takyon> which part
[05:04:35] <takyon> I think there are multiple features that do that
[05:04:38] <takyon> Despace?
[05:04:42] <charon> inside text areas
[05:05:21] <takyon> converting double spaces to single helps to make further regex operations simpler
[05:05:27] <charon> no, i think it's on loading the text for a page refresh
[05:06:26] <charon> yeah, it's right before you build the buttons
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[05:21:44] <takyon> later
[05:21:52] <takyon> need sleep
[05:22:00] <charon> ~gnight takyon
[05:22:01] * exec disturbingly experiences an F cup of vespene gas with takyon
[05:22:19] <takyon> u require more vespene gas
[05:22:47] <charon> you must construct additional pylons
[05:31:15] <Fnord666> good night charon
[05:31:24] <charon> gnight Fnord666
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[09:56:59] <Bytram> charon: Good job cleaning up the OO submission for: https://soylentnews.org
[09:57:01] <exec> └─ 13Error
[09:58:27] <Bytram> I did some sleuthing and was able to track down a PDF for the other part (I don't recall which one you had originally; either way I found the other one); restored quoted text from "The Intercept" and its original links, and provided direct links to PDFs for each. --Bytram
[09:59:50] <Bytram> Also, noted the Document ID info from the Complaint and the Stay so as to facilitate searches; should one be so inclined. I don't much like linking to PDFs on two different sites, but could not find both PDFs in one place atm.
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[14:03:42] <Bytram> yay! Just made plans to go out to breakfast with my sister.. stomach is growling already =) time to get myself cleaned up and ready to go;
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[18:34:49] <Fnord666> Hello all!
[18:35:27] <janrinok> ~gday Fnord666
[18:35:28] * exec sexually fires an easter basket of heartbreak at Fnord666
[18:35:39] <janrinok> or good evening really for me
[18:35:49] <Fnord666> ~gevening janrinok
[18:35:56] <Fnord666> nope, doesn't work
[18:36:01] <janrinok> nah, doesn't exist
[18:36:20] <Fnord666> How have you been?
[18:36:42] * janrinok is annoyed - Firefox has just updated and none of my extension now work!
[18:37:05] <Fnord666> good to know. I'll skip that update for now
[18:37:14] <janrinok> I'm not too bad, still a little bit tired but better than I was thanks. How about you?
[18:37:39] <Fnord666> doing well. been catching up on sleep over the weekend
[18:38:26] <Fnord666> glad to hear your feeling better at least.
[18:38:38] <janrinok> that's what weekends are for. I did a lot of garden maintenance yesterday, and was erecting ADSB antennae today
[18:38:51] <Fnord666> Very cool
[18:39:01] <Fnord666> What sort of antenna did you go with?
[18:39:37] <Fnord666> I'm using a basic colinear when I have an ADSB receiver going.
[18:39:43] <janrinok> 2 x coaxial collinear - both home made. I'm trying to decide which works the better
[18:40:16] <janrinok> so far they have both double the detection range up to about 240 miles
[18:40:55] <Fnord666> that's pretty good. Are you using an SDR?
[18:41:24] <janrinok> yep, and I feed into flightradar24, so I get their worldwide feed for free
[18:41:39] <Fnord666> :)
[18:41:53] <Fnord666> You're a good community member janrinok
[18:42:21] <janrinok> I use a RPi 1, homemade antennae and a homemade powersupply for the inline amp. Must have cost no more that 50eu all told
[18:42:23] <Fnord666> I'll be doing the same if I ever set things up permanently
[18:42:58] <Fnord666> I think I have an RPi 1 around here somewhere.
[18:43:48] <janrinok> I have a handful of them - I love using them for various small jobs rather than leave my bigger machines on 24hr/day
[18:44:22] <Fnord666> me too. There are several RPi3s doing duty around the house.
[18:44:50] <Fnord666> And yes, much easier on the electric bill than a full PC
[18:45:09] <janrinok> I have 1 x 64bit quad core on as my main server (and Folding at Home) but the RPi use next to nothing in power so I don't mind leaving them running all the time
[18:46:10] <Fnord666> What's the difference in the two antennas?
[18:46:31] <Fnord666> and did you solder the connections between segments?
[18:47:42] <janrinok> just the number of elements and positioning. They are both in my attic space. No soldering required, just followed the details from a couple of web pages and a youtube video. I am surprised at how effective they actually are. about 12db gain for about 1 hours work
[18:49:22] <Fnord666> I've seen then both soldered and not. I did not solder mine either and yes, they have quite amazing reception.
[18:49:34] <janrinok> I've got a couple of dead spots due to external obstacles - but a mast might overcome one of those. The other is a hill about 3km distance which limits my lower horizon in that direction
[18:50:36] <Fnord666> Not much you can do about that
[18:50:56] <Fnord666> higher tower or relocate
[18:51:01] <janrinok> nope - and S says we cannot move house just because of poor reception!
[18:51:27] <Fnord666> different priorities I gues. :)
[18:51:36] <Fnord666> How is S doing?
[18:51:51] <janrinok> I'll leave the external mast until summertime, it is too wet and windy to be climbing about especially as my doc would have a fit if she found out what I was doing
[18:52:51] <Fnord666> Are you an amateur radio operator then?
[18:52:58] <janrinok> S is fine. She has had a good weekend and she is ready for the new week to begin. She'll be tired by late afternoon each day, and very tired by the weekend
[18:53:23] <Fnord666> I understand that completely. J is the same way.
[18:53:25] <janrinok> I was once - but that was many years ago.
[18:54:49] <Fnord666> Just wondering since you mentioned an external mast. Didn't know if you had one up already.
[18:55:03] <janrinok> I enjoy the technical aspects of computing and radio comms now more than chasing dx on HF. So I design circuits and dabble with various SDRs to see what I can do with them.
[18:55:20] <Fnord666> cool
[18:55:38] <Fnord666> have you gone after weathersat images then?
[18:55:57] <janrinok> I've got a long wire to a tree in the far corner of my plot of land, but most of my stuff is V/UHF nowadays
[18:56:05] <janrinok> it's on my list
[18:57:02] <Fnord666> kinda interesting accounting for the doppler shift as the satellite comes over the horizon then tracks up into the sky with a constantly changing vector
[18:57:15] <janrinok> you can get very good wx details live on the internet, so I haven't rushed to do the satellites yet
[18:57:40] <Fnord666> from a practical aspect there's just a program that you patch into your SDR, but still.
[18:57:53] <janrinok> Is J still quite positive?
[18:58:09] <Fnord666> yes.
[18:58:27] <janrinok> that's the best way to be!
[18:58:49] <Fnord666> agreed.
[18:59:15] <janrinok> biab - my mouse battery has just died
[18:59:19] <Fnord666> k
[19:00:46] <janrinok> that's better - it moves again now
[19:00:56] <Fnord666> much more useful that way.
[19:01:21] <janrinok> I've noticed that too
[19:02:41] <Fnord666> What other SDR projects have you done?
[19:07:15] <janrinok> I have managed to do some experiments with IFF (military mode S I suppose) - we have several mil bases near here and I just took it on as an interesting project. Also managed to hear the ISS beacons. And managed to identify several microwave links that pass near here but couldn't make much out of the data other than identification and frame rates.
[19:11:35] <Fnord666> nice. Do you build your own PC boards?
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[19:12:54] <charon_> hiyo editorial
[19:12:57] <janrinok> I did, but haven't done so for a while. What bits I have to make can be thrown together on a veroboard, linked to the RPi, and let software do the hard work
[19:13:07] <janrinok> ~gday charon
[19:13:08] * exec deliciously hurls an assfull of love at charon
[19:13:48] <janrinok> that's not romantic, kiss and cuddles love!
[19:13:56] <charon_> howdy janrinok, thanks for the love, i guess
[19:13:58] <charon_> lol
[19:14:39] <Fnord666> howdy charon_
[19:15:16] <charon_> hiyo fnord
[19:15:22] <charon_> how's things with you guys?
[19:15:47] <Fnord666> Good here. Yourself?
[19:16:02] <janrinok> had a good weekend doing things I wanted to do rather than jobs that I had to do
[19:16:46] <charon_> i am fine, but tired. i stayed up too late last night playing Fallout 3
[19:17:04] <charon_> i blame nick
[19:17:34] <janrinok> funny, I'll bet that he would blame you if I asked him
[19:17:51] <charon_> hah, probably
[19:20:09] <janrinok> Fnord666, are you still active in electronics?
[19:20:27] <Fnord666> When I have the time, yes.
[19:20:38] <janrinok> I know that feeling ...
[19:21:28] <Fnord666> just set up a toaster oven last month for SMT soldering
[19:21:42] <janrinok> ah, serious stuff
[19:21:46] <Fnord666> my eyes not being quite what they used to be.
[19:22:18] <janrinok> I've still got the correct number of eyes, but they are as functional anymore with my spectacles
[19:22:23] <janrinok> aren't*
[19:22:51] <Fnord666> below a certain point I would need a microscope
[19:22:55] <janrinok> lol
[19:23:21] <Fnord666> Nothing really complicated though.
[19:24:20] <janrinok> If I can't plug it into a DIL socket - it's too small for me to use
[19:25:02] <Fnord666> I got a small 3D printer for christmas so I put together a small device to measure the amount of filament being used for example
[19:25:23] <Fnord666> with a 3d printed project box of course.
[19:25:34] <janrinok> that almost sounds as if it has commercial possibilities
[19:26:00] <Fnord666> It's probably covered by a dozen patents
[19:26:13] <janrinok> well, make it 12 + 1 then
[19:26:30] <Fnord666> always a possibility
[19:26:31] <charon_> but how much filament was used to make the box? you have no idea!
[19:26:49] <janrinok> he could always weight it?
[19:27:02] <janrinok> weigh *
[19:27:10] <Fnord666> that's a good idea.
[19:27:19] <charon_> janrinok used logic. it's super effective
[19:27:31] <janrinok> damn, I'm forgetting English now, that's a sign I am getting even older than I thought
[19:27:43] <Fnord666> 4.2 m btw. I reprinted it in a different color.
[19:28:25] <janrinok> well, if the filament is 1/2" diameter that is not cost effective, but if it is 0.05" you might be on to a winner
[19:28:43] <Fnord666> 1.75mm is standard for smaller printers
[19:28:55] <janrinok> ah, didn't know what the standard was
[19:29:10] <Fnord666> 3mm for larger ones.
[19:29:29] <janrinok> 0.068" if you were wondering
[19:30:09] <Fnord666> Pretty much everything seems to be done in metric when it comes to 3d printing, which I am thankful for.
[19:30:24] <Fnord666> except when I have to track down metric screws, etc.
[19:30:32] <janrinok> I was only using inches for you guys - we are metric all the time here
[19:31:23] <Fnord666> We could switch tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a single tear. Probably wouldn't even get misty eyes.
[19:32:13] <Fnord666> Ww might as well be measuring velocity in furlongs per fortnight.
[19:32:22] <Fnord666> s/ww/we/
[19:32:45] <Fnord666> darn case sensitivity
[19:33:43] <Fnord666> I actually have used the weight measurements to try and guess if I have enough filament left on a roll for a project
[19:34:06] <Fnord666> It's not very accurate, but still
[19:34:38] <janrinok> is that because the weight measurement is not very accurate?
[19:34:56] <Fnord666> The box had about $0.25 of plastic in it
[19:35:05] <Fnord666> so a lot cheaper than store bought
[19:35:43] <janrinok> but you have to include the cost of the 3d printer over its expected lifetime, I guess
[19:35:58] <Fnord666> accuracy of the measurement, conversion rate from weight to length of filament, etc.
[19:36:56] <Fnord666> Probably but since I would have bought it anyway it was a sunk cost.
[19:37:26] <Fnord666> Do I have to include the cost of the upgrades because I can't not tinker with it?
[19:38:09] <janrinok> no, we never do that otherwise our SOs might catch on to how much we actually spend...
[19:39:21] <Fnord666> That reminds me I need to buy another Amazon gift card with cash so I can pick up a few things....
[19:39:31] <janrinok> :)
[19:41:53] <janrinok> charon, has OO been picking on you again recently? :
[19:42:25] <charon_> not since i wrote a novel for him, though he didn't respond. maybe he didn't even read it
[19:43:28] <janrinok> he huffs and he puffs but nothing ever comes of it - I think he just likes have an opinion, the more extreme the better
[19:46:03] <charon_> i sorta regret posting the followup immigration story. it turned to name calling almost immediately
[19:46:04] <janrinok> Fnord666, I'm just getting the first analysis of my new antenna - I've gone from averaging 10k hits per hour to 28700 hits per hour
[19:46:48] <Fnord666> Very nice
[19:47:05] <Fnord666> Did you say that you increased the number of segments?
[19:47:10] <janrinok> charon, it often happens at a weekend, but I'm sure that you have noticed that yourself. Putting out a good story that will garner intelligent comments is almost impossible for friday evening, and sat and sun afternoons (US times)
[19:48:26] <janrinok> I've got 2 - one with 6 segments and one with 9 - they are both pretty even at present. But moving them about 1.5 metres higher inside the house has made a big difference
[19:49:09] <Fnord666> Spring should bring some really good results then.
[19:49:37] <janrinok> the 3 extra segments make a slight difference but not enough to justify the effort (although that is only about 20 minutes!)
[19:49:43] <Fnord666> Interesting re the number of segments
[19:50:46] <Fnord666> I was surprised at the number of hits I got with the stock antenna that came with the SDR dongle.
[19:50:56] <janrinok> I'll have to get some test equipment out to measure the gain more accurately, but I'm happy with the results anyway
[19:51:15] <janrinok> is that the 5db antenna?
[19:51:22] <Fnord666> I would be with that kind of increase
[19:52:20] <Fnord666> https://www.amazon.com
[19:52:27] <janrinok> I got a free 5dB antenna which performed ok, but didn't like long feed lines
[19:52:54] <Fnord666> I don't think it was even that.
[19:53:17] <janrinok> ah, no, I get very little joy with the simple 6" wire freebee
[19:54:04] <janrinok> https://www.amazon.com
[19:54:20] <janrinok> that's the one I was using before making the colinears
[19:55:56] <Fnord666> Had not seen that before.
[19:57:00] <janrinok> the are 2 antennae/antennas - the one for 978MHz is US only , maybe Canada as well, I'm not sure
[19:57:10] <Fnord666> Almost worth it for the pigtails
[19:57:29] <Fnord666> If you don't already have the connectors
[19:58:25] <janrinok> I got them for 5 euros in a special pre-Christmas deal including SDRs (x2), various connectors, and the 2 antennas, and other bits and pieces for 45 euro
[19:59:00] <janrinok> if you priced everything separately, the antennas work out at just over 5 euros the pair
[19:59:30] <Fnord666> Good deal.
[19:59:53] <Fnord666> Are you using PiAware?
[19:59:57] <janrinok> the new mini-sized SDR runs quite warm but is more sensitive than the one that I had initially, which was the same as in your advert
[20:00:08] <janrinok> nope,
[20:00:49] <janrinok> biab - going to play at nurse for a few minutes
[20:01:12] <Fnord666> k
[20:01:34] <Fnord666> afk for a moment
[20:01:41] <Fnord666> coffee++
[20:01:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 70
[20:07:31] <Fnord666> back
[20:07:41] <Fnord666> So how's work charon_?
[20:07:46] <Fnord666> quiet?
[20:08:45] <janrinok> back
[20:12:52] <janrinok> well, gtg. See you guys around and hope you have a good week. Give my best wishes to J Fnord666
[20:12:57] <janrinok> ~gnight charon
[20:12:58] * exec spontaneously inserts a safespace of poop cola into charon
[20:13:00] <janrinok> ~gnight Fnord666
[20:13:02] * exec carefully mixes an animated gif of webscale with Fnord666
[20:13:06] <Fnord666> I will. My best to S as well.
[20:13:15] <Fnord666> ~gnight janrinok
[20:13:16] * exec crutchyly penetrates a tablespoonful of spam, eggs, sausage and spam with janrinok
[20:13:34] <Fnord666> charon_ loses
[20:13:41] <janrinok> thanks, I will. Oh goody, double spam
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[20:13:59] <Fnord666> You have a good week as well
[20:30:28] <charon_> sorry, i actually had to work for a while
[20:31:33] <charon_> just had a guy come in with a paint sprayer he wanted to return. it was my task to see if he was lying about the problem he had with it
[20:40:46] <charon_> verdict: probably not, but i hate paint sprayers and don't know much about them
[20:42:48] <takyon> I LOVE THAT GIN BOI
[20:43:27] <takyon> 0 comments on junocam article
[20:47:22] <Fnord666> well it is the weekend
[20:48:15] <Fnord666> at any rate, gtg for now. ttyl
[20:48:23] <charon_> cheers Fnord666
[20:48:43] <Fnord666> ve back later this eve
[20:48:49] <Fnord666> s/ve/be/
[20:48:49] <sedctl> <Fnord666> be back later this eve
[20:48:50] <exec> <Fnord666> be back later this eve
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