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[00:44:20] <n1> well that wasn't much fun
[00:44:35] <n1> had a trip to the ER because my host had a severe bad reaction to some antibiotics
[02:16:16] <Fnord666> n1 - oh dear. Not good. Everything ok now?
[02:16:25] <Fnord666> ~arthur bc6b76
[02:16:27] <exec> 886 stories loaded
[02:16:27] <exec> attempting to submit story: "A trip down the League of Legends graphics pipeline"
[02:16:58] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[02:17:04] <exec> 885 stories loaded
[02:18:18] <Fnord666> ~arthur 48c925
[02:18:20] <exec> 885 stories loaded
[02:18:21] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Apple files $1 billion lawsuit against Qualcomm over patent-licensing"
[02:18:24] <n1> yeah, doing ok now
[02:18:51] <exec> error: something went wrong with your submission - maybe try again in a minute
[02:19:16] <Fnord666> ~arthur 48c925
[02:19:18] <exec> 885 stories loaded
[02:19:18] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Apple files $1 billion lawsuit against Qualcomm over patent-licensing"
[02:19:49] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[02:19:54] <exec> 885 stories loaded
[02:22:54] <charon> that qualcomm story is currently on the front page
[02:23:19] <charon> hiyo Fnord666 and n1
[02:23:36] <Fnord666> well crap
[02:23:52] <n1> could be a different $1bn patent lawsuit, you never know! :p
[02:23:54] <Fnord666> why would I look there?
[02:24:02] <n1> but anyways.. ahoy charon
[02:24:14] <Fnord666> Howdy charon
[02:24:50] <Fnord666> ~arthur c91cfe
[02:24:53] <exec> 885 stories loaded
[02:24:53] <exec> attempting to submit story: "PSA: LastPass Does Not Encrypt Everything in Your Vault"
[02:24:57] <charon> how are things?
[02:25:17] <charon> nick: i assume you are not the ER patient?
[02:25:24] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[02:25:26] <Fnord666> What qualcomm story?
[02:25:29] <exec> 884 stories loaded
[02:25:55] <Fnord666> I don't see no qualcomm submission
[02:26:09] <charon> huh, neither do i... wierd
[02:26:30] <charon> must have been a mirage
[02:26:59] <Fnord666> probably. Too many engines running in the shop today? Not enough ventilation?
[02:27:14] <charon> don't drink acetone, kids
[02:27:29] <Fnord666> or bleach.
[02:27:49] <charon> reminds me of a Dead Milkmen song
[02:28:59] <charon> #yt bleach boys dead milkmen
[02:29:00] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[02:29:25] <Fnord666> https://youtu.be
[02:29:26] <charon> an acquired taste
[02:29:27] <exec> └─ 13Caddyshack - Well we're waiting. - YouTube
[02:29:34] <charon> the band, not bleach
[02:29:34] <Fnord666> damn. too slow
[02:31:01] <Fnord666> Kinda catchy
[02:33:47] <charon> this is interesting... the pdf from NHTSA is giving an XML error
[02:34:00] <charon> AccessDenied
[02:34:08] <Fnord666> Little repetitive though
[02:34:30] <Fnord666> which link?
[02:34:39] <charon> yeah, the dead milkmen are not what you'd call a polished band
[02:34:57] <charon> https://static.nhtsa.gov
[02:35:07] <charon> it's from my sub
[02:35:51] <Fnord666> meh. there's a lot to be said to up and coming bands who are still trying to find their style.
[02:37:39] <Fnord666> I remember this one guy quite a while ago when I was in Washington ( the state ). Ever heard of Kurt Cobain?
[02:37:51] <charon> kind of shouty for my taste. but my brother liked them, so it grew on me over time
[02:37:57] <Fnord666> Had a recently formed band and was playing this club.
[02:38:28] <charon> cobain schmobain
[02:38:34] <Fnord666> ~arthur bf25fb
[02:38:36] <exec> 884 stories loaded
[02:38:37] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Already on probation, Symantec issues more illegit HTTPS certificates"
[02:38:47] <Fnord666> Not saying the dead milkmen are on the same level though.
[02:39:07] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[02:39:13] <exec> 883 stories loaded
[02:40:26] <Fnord666> ~arthur bf25fb
[02:40:28] <exec> 883 stories loaded
[02:40:28] <exec> story not found
[02:40:51] <Fnord666> ~arthur d8941e
[02:40:53] <exec> 883 stories loaded
[02:40:53] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Attackers start wiping data from CouchDB and Hadoop databases"
[02:41:25] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[02:41:31] <exec> 883 stories loaded
[02:42:33] <Fnord666> !submit https://krebsonsecurity.com
[02:42:37] <exec> └─ 13Who is Anna-Senpai, the Mirai Worm Author? — Krebs on Security
[02:50:08] <charon> never heard of her
[02:50:28] <Fnord666> ever heard of the mirai bot?
[02:50:50] <charon> it's striking a vague chord in the back of my head...
[02:51:08] <charon> D7dim
[02:52:36] <charon> oh man, i totally forgot this song... https://www.youtube.com
[02:52:38] <exec> └─ 13The Dead Milkmen - My Many Smells - YouTube
[02:58:24] <Fnord666> dare i risk it?
[02:59:21] <Fnord666> it's exactly what I expected.
[02:59:38] <charon> lol
[03:00:04] <Fnord666> https://www.youtube.com
[03:00:06] <exec> └─ 13Dead Milkmen "Life is Shit" With Lyrics - YouTube
[03:00:08] <charon> i don't like them exactly. just nostalgia
[03:01:21] <Fnord666> interesting 80's punk band.
[03:02:33] <Fnord666> listened to Black Flag in the early 80s but I lost interest as their style evolved later
[03:03:06] <charon> i've probably heard some black flag, but i can't think of any offhand. i prefer new wave over punk
[03:10:00] <Fnord666> That was a long time ago for me. Been through a lot of genres since then and a lot depends on my mood and what I'm doing..
[03:14:59] <n1> i prefer a healthy mix of 'classical' 'hip-hop' and 'prog-metal'.
[03:15:08] <n1> those genres play well into most moods
[03:15:52] <charon> prog metal? ELP, yes, styx?
[03:17:25] <charon> king crimson!
[03:18:47] <n1> more 'modern' stuff in the prog/post-metal sphere
[03:53:05] <Fnord666> When I'm working I prefer music without lyrics. I find them too distracting while programming.
[03:55:33] <Fnord666> Mostly select tracks from http://musicforprogramming.net
[03:55:34] <exec> └─ 13musicForProgramming("46: Jo Johnson");
[03:56:01] <Fnord666> a lot of electronica
[03:56:46] <Fnord666> some classical, instrumental.
[03:59:19] <n1> always worth giving a somafm station a listen for music while working
[04:01:02] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[04:01:02] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[04:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, https://www.youtube.com
[04:04:07] <exec> └─ 13The Misfits-Attitude - YouTube
[04:06:20] <Fnord666> crab tattoo?
[04:07:21] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[04:07:41] <Fnord666> TheMightyBuzzard - interesting. gonna have to listen to some more of their songs ;ater.
[04:07:46] <Fnord666> best album?
[04:08:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hell, i dunno.
[04:08:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't really have a favorite misfits album
[04:08:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com the one i'm listening to now though
[04:08:49] <exec> └─ 13Misfits Misfits Full Album - YouTube
[04:10:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i gotta switch. feelin a little more social distortion tonight.
[04:11:22] <Fnord666> Ever listen to Dead Kennedys?
[04:11:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup.
[04:12:10] <Fnord666> Cool.
[04:12:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> been big into punk for a long time
[04:13:08] <Fnord666> Would you consider Motorhead to be punk?
[04:13:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm... nah the way they dressed said they were trying for metal
[04:14:10] <Fnord666> good point
[04:14:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that i got anything against good metal. had a ride the lightning back patch on my jean jacket back in middle school.
[04:15:35] <n1> motorhead is definitely not punk
[04:15:36] <Fnord666> listening to Danzig ATM
[04:16:55] <Fnord666> n1 - did/do you listen to punk?
[04:17:39] <n1> yeah, not much though
[04:18:34] <Fnord666> My playlists and music collection look like the work of someone with multiple personality disorder.
[04:19:01] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[04:19:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why i like the zac brown band. one minute they're singing with jimmy buffet, next with chris cornell.
[04:19:54] <n1> it's good to have a wide collection to pick from
[04:20:22] <n1> makes it harder to go deep into any particular genre, but having a more rounded taste in music is good i think... helps with different moods as you said before
[04:20:34] <Fnord666> n1 that's very true. There's always something that fits the mood, or I can look to in altering a mood
[04:22:15] <Fnord666> Have not had the chance to see the Zac Brown band although they are touring and have a couple of shows not too far from me. Worth seeing in concert?
[04:22:20] <n1> my regular listening of 'punk' is pretty limited, mainly bands such as Bad Religion and Propagandhi .. i used to listen to more, but generally unknown bands that i cant even remember now
[04:23:48] <n1> I had no awareness of Zac Brown until the Foo Fighters farce of a documentary series
[04:23:59] <n1> which probably wasn't the best introduction
[04:24:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, never seen em live. just been digging on their tunes on youtube lately.
[04:24:22] <Fnord666> ?me laughs
[04:24:26] * Fnord666 laughs
[04:24:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> they mostly make their money on country but there's no telling what they'll play live.
[04:24:49] <Fnord666> Interesting
[04:25:21] * TheMightyBuzzard is currently kicking it oldschool with some ramones
[04:25:33] <Fnord666> I went through a country music phase when I was in the service and ended up friends with a bunch of good old boys from texas, oklahoma, etc.
[04:26:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> lotta guys in the military come from that part of the country.
[04:26:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> me included
[04:27:03] <Fnord666> From that part of the country, in the military, or both?
[04:27:24] <Fnord666> If you don't mind me asking
[04:27:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> both. oklahoma n army.
[04:28:17] <Fnord666> cool. MOS?
[04:28:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> 52C
[04:28:38] <Fnord666> I was 11B
[04:29:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, no death or glory for me. just fixing air conditioners for officers.
[04:29:55] <Fnord666> Someone's got to do it, right?
[04:30:26] <Fnord666> Can't have officers seating can we?
[04:30:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup yup. had my choice of MOS so i figured i'd get one that'd get me paid in the outside world too.
[04:31:03] <Fnord666> Good choice. Not a lot of outside work for 11B except PMCs and they weren't that big a thing yet when I was in.
[04:31:15] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[04:31:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> security guard or bouncer too but the money ain't good in either.
[04:31:55] <n1> speaking as someone who
[04:32:09] <n1> has never been in the military, but has worked with those that went into bouncer and security guard work
[04:32:14] <n1> they're often fucking awful
[04:32:27] <Fnord666> as jobs or people?
[04:32:41] <n1> jobs are bad, but they seem to attract the worst in the people a lot of the time
[04:32:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. s'a pretty mixed bag.
[04:32:49] <n1> can't wait to find an opportunity to show someone who's boss
[04:33:16] <n1> talking down a situation isn't in their bag of tricks
[04:33:25] <n1> 'i can't wait for x band to play tonight, we should get some action'
[04:34:01] <Fnord666> There's definitely a pecking order/hierarchy in that field and a lot of wannabees near the bottom.
[04:34:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i imagine... no wait... i've bounced before... it's a pretty boring job unless you have to get off your stool.
[04:34:42] <Fnord666> True. Depends on the place I guess.
[04:35:08] <n1> Fnord666, i assume it's like the saying about people who didn't get into the military join the police... not trying to be dismissive of all, but the people who end up in the security jobs after military seem to have very limited skillsets
[04:35:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> how i ended up bouncing at a bar at sixteen isn't as interesting a story as it sounds like it would be though.
[04:35:37] <Fnord666> Nice teaser there TMB.
[04:35:50] <n1> being physically assertive shall we say is the only thing they're good at... and when you're trying to deal with a couple of teenagers high on life, you don't need to put your years of combat experience to use in that situation
[04:36:13] <Fnord666> N1 - nope, not at all.
[04:36:22] <n1> TheMightyBuzzard, you were cheaper than the guys old enough to do the job?
[04:36:42] <Fnord666> in fact just the opposite. Better if they were MPs in the service.
[04:37:04] <n1> military police?
[04:37:35] <Fnord666> Correct. Sorry. They have skillsets geared more toward detaining people and defusing situations
[04:37:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. buddy's "aunt" but not really Pat owned the place so we got to shoot poll n drink beers regardless of age and got coopted in as security when they had some band people had heard of in one night.
[04:37:48] <n1> i have only met one person who told me they used to be an MP... and he transitioned into a sales job
[04:38:01] <n1> second thing he said to me was 'i dont lie to people, unless i have to'
[04:38:11] <Fnord666> Interesting.
[04:38:30] <n1> but that was one guy and he was working for a shady company, but it's an odd second thing to say to someone regardless
[04:38:50] <Fnord666> It is kinda odd now that you mention it.
[04:39:24] <Fnord666> TMB it beats McDonalds at 16.
[04:39:28] <n1> might not look like it here... but in the real world i generally sit back and listen... it's surprising the retarded shit people come out with when they assume you're on the same page as them
[04:39:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya man. i never did the typical mcjob as a teenager.
[04:39:58] <Fnord666> oh hell yes. Like staying sober at an office party to see what happens later.
[04:40:19] <Fnord666> Tried one of those jobs for a week. Not for me.
[04:40:24] <n1> TheMightyBuzzard, not a great story, but being in with a bar owner is a good deal none the less
[04:40:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> n1, i did say it wasn't that interesting.
[04:41:14] <Fnord666> depends on if anything interesting ever happened.
[04:41:21] <n1> i feel very bad for people who know nothing but the 'mcjobs' of this world
[04:41:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> worked at a health club. moved pianos. bounced a few times. installed satellite dishes for some hospital network. then enlisted.
[04:42:54] <n1> i got a job washing dishes as my 16th birthday present
[04:43:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really don't get them. it's like they can't see that every store/shop/office on every street needs people to do stuff.
[04:43:04] * n1 does not remember that fondly
[04:43:09] <Fnord666> The gift that keeps on giving.
[04:43:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i actually dug washing dishes whenever i had to take off room service cause the dishwashing guy was sick.
[04:43:54] <n1> it was an interesting situation, part time job, but as i was the only person in that position, if i wasn't there no one else did it
[04:44:02] <n1> so it ended up being a 60hr week instead of 16
[04:44:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> jam some tunes and nobody screws with you as long as you get the dishes done.
[04:44:42] <Fnord666> I'm not sure but I think that's excessive for a 16 year old.
[04:44:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft
[04:45:02] <Fnord666> Were they at least on the clock?
[04:45:22] <Fnord666> Okay, according to the legal definition I mean.
[04:45:27] <n1> for sure.. it was be on the clock and do it today, or have to do it tomorrow anyway
[04:45:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, no i think you can work as many hours as you want to work as long as it ain't cutting into your schooling.
[04:46:05] <n1> but it taught me the meaning of hard work... and so i don't do that anymore :p
[04:46:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, lot of value in hard work. even more in outsmarting it.
[04:46:43] <n1> i took a pay cut to get a better job with prospects, suffered through various hells with that... then went out on my own after getting the relevant experience
[04:47:09] <Fnord666> Probably my biggest takeaway from my week at a McJob. You don't ever want to have to do that for a living
[04:47:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. soul crushing.
[04:47:38] <Fnord666> So get and keep your shit together.
[04:47:53] <n1> yup
[04:48:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell you ain't even gotta have a highschool diploma or any noticeable skills to get a better job than that.
[04:48:26] <n1> i'll go day labouring before i go work in food service or something
[04:48:56] <Fnord666> I had been working farms before that for a couple of years. Went right back to it
[04:49:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i picked peaches a few summers. that stuff is too much like hard work for me.
[04:49:31] <n1> i could probably work in a kitchen again if i had to... but i cannot do the whole 'serving' people thing
[04:49:56] <Fnord666> me either
[04:49:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh yeah. i hated it when they pulled me off room service and put me waiting tables.
[04:50:23] <n1> i have a huge amount of respect for people who do manage to do that job day in day out
[04:50:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> really cut into my pay cause waitresses made like $2.50
[04:50:49] <n1> put that fake smile on and appear genuine and friendly while busting your ass for 12hrs
[04:51:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. my stepmom rocked that job like you wouldn't believe. kept herself lower middle class as a waitress.
[04:51:33] <Fnord666> I agree but I understand it's different in other countries, correct?
[04:51:44] <n1> i know in the US, it can be really good money due to the tipping culture
[04:51:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i sucked at it. i'm just not outgoing with folks i just met.
[04:52:26] <n1> in the UK tipping is much much less, but people waiting tables are supposed to get minimum wage
[04:52:34] <Fnord666> The whole tipping thing is such a mess
[04:52:38] <n1> and when i was in the kitchen, not getting any tips... they could fucking keep that money.
[04:52:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, that reminds me of one i completely forgot i ever did: door to door perfume salesman.
[04:52:52] <Fnord666> Really?
[04:52:54] <n1> TheMightyBuzzard, couldn't trust you with the steak knives?
[04:53:05] <Fnord666> or an encyclopedia?
[04:53:14] <Fnord666> or heaven forbid, a bible?
[04:53:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> answered a sneakily worded ad.
[04:53:35] <Fnord666> work from home they said.
[04:53:42] <Fnord666> be rich in a week they said...
[04:53:45] <n1> lol
[04:53:59] <n1> same as the ads for SoylentNews staff...
[04:54:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> sold like two bottles in the span of a week cause i suuuuck at selling people shit they don't need
[04:54:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i didn't answer the ads though. i got press ganged in by pj and nc
[04:54:44] <Fnord666> "yes maam, you should buy this because you smell like old milk and this is the only thing that's going to cover it up".
[04:55:05] <n1> sales is a certain skill for sure.... i've never understood the 'sell ice to an eskimo' as a positive thing
[04:55:21] <n1> 'that person is really good at manipulating people into buying something totally useless'
[04:55:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just wanted metamoderation to work. i've since changed my mind about that.
[04:55:24] <n1> that's not a positive in my book
[04:55:27] <Fnord666> me either
[04:56:11] <Fnord666> Here's the repo. Shouldn't take but a couple of hours....
[04:56:50] <Fnord666> Six years later you've recoded the site twice, swapped the hardware once, and metamoderation still doesn't work?
[04:58:04] <Fnord666> you don't want metamoderation to work?
[04:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. decided it'd be a lot of work for yet another popularity contest.
[04:58:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't actually solve anything. just make things more complex.
[04:58:51] <Fnord666> Well you're not wrong about that.
[05:00:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, it's two hours past my bedtime. ima hit the sack.
[05:00:16] <n1> laters TheMightyBuzzard
[05:00:16] <Fnord666> good night TheMightyBuzzard
[05:00:23] * TheMightyBuzzard tips hat
[05:00:30] * n1 hat tips
[05:00:45] * Fnord666 trips
[05:00:54] * Fnord666 and drops his hat
[05:01:01] <n1> i even have a new hat, but i can't wear it :(
[05:01:35] <n1> cheap baseball caps do not fit my xl sized head
[05:01:36] <Fnord666> pray tell, why not?
[05:01:46] <Fnord666> ah
[05:02:17] <n1> i usually wear flexfit baseball caps, and even in the L-XL size with short hair
[05:02:19] <n1> they need breaking in
[05:03:05] <Fnord666> Never been much for hats other than boonie hats when I'm working in the yard
[05:03:39] <n1> took to wearing them a lot when living in the caribbean and australia
[05:04:12] <Fnord666> You sir have lived in a bunch of places.
[05:04:44] <n1> travel runs in the family
[05:05:07] <Fnord666> ah
[05:06:00] <n1> my grandmother went to china on the year they opened it up to tourists again, as an example
[05:06:10] <Fnord666> I got to visit a few countries while in the service, but that's not the same as living there.
[05:06:21] <Fnord666> very nice.
[05:06:42] <n1> ive not lived many places, but i have been to a lot for visits as a tourist
[05:07:20] <n1> the less touristy ones would be places like cuba, china and kenya
[05:08:18] <n1> i guess uruguay applies there too
[05:08:18] <Fnord666> i would call those less touristy, yes.
[05:08:51] <n1> i've been very lucky to have the opportunities
[05:08:59] <Fnord666> were you in belize at one point?
[05:09:21] <n1> i have not been there, it has been considered though
[05:09:56] <Fnord666> It's cool that you were able to avail yourself of those opportunities
[05:10:19] <Fnord666> probably didn't say that very well, but
[05:10:33] <n1> still trying to make the most of them, i know most people are not in the position to do what i'm doing right now
[05:10:44] <n1> so i don't want to waste that, want to make the most of it
[05:12:17] <Fnord666> excellent idea
[05:14:19] <n1> i'm hoping i can find more charitable/non-profit avenues to explore.
[05:15:56] <Fnord666> what is it that you do now if you don't mind me asking.
[05:17:24] <n1> right now, not much. i finished up some contracts before i left the UK. I had been doing cctv and other security installations
[05:17:38] <n1> i also did some project management last year too, which was a new one
[05:18:35] <n1> that did nearly kill me though, went back to driving for hours every day going into London and then dealing with all the bullshit.
[05:20:21] <Fnord666> Your family is in the UK though, correct?
[05:21:19] <Fnord666> I mean your parents, sisters/brothers, etc.
[05:24:33] <n1> it's complicated, but mostly yeah.
[05:25:00] <n1> there's more family in the uk than elsewhere
[05:27:55] <Fnord666> So weird compared to the US, where my family is all still here, yet we live thousands of miles apart.
[05:28:39] <n1> the 'core' family is quite small and spread out even so, but everyone gets on and there is never any drama
[05:34:55] <n1> being honest, american families are different in my experience... couldn't explain why
[05:42:19] <Fnord666> me either.
[05:44:35] <Fnord666> n1 - if I want to add an editor's note at the end of an article what's the best format?
[05:47:13] <n1> [Editor's note: <i>RTFA asshats</i>]
[05:48:32] <n1> ideally at the end of the submission
[05:52:12] <Fnord666> Thanks!
[05:56:16] <n1> the wyoming story, second blockquote could have all been on same line with just one [...]
[05:57:11] <n1> doesn't really matter, but more information in less space and quicker to read is a preference for me.
[05:57:57] <Fnord666> thanks. I wondered about that but it was also shortening the current line so I wasn't sure.
[05:58:01] <Fnord666> I'll update
[05:58:15] <n1> i've done it already
[05:58:44] <Fnord666> for a moment I contemplated a department of "didn't see that one coming" for the tesla article
[05:58:49] <Fnord666> ok, thanks.
[05:59:41] <Fnord666> How many editors do we have over towards UTC besides janrinok?
[06:00:00] <n1> i don
[06:00:08] <n1> don't think any, now that i'm not
[06:00:27] <n1> FatPhil maybe?
[06:00:29] <Fnord666> I get concerned when the story queue ends before or around noon UTC
[06:01:02] <n1> i'll do another 3 or 4 before i go to bed
[06:01:50] <n1> welcome to the stories queue.... it's always hungry
[06:01:51] <Fnord666> cool. I'm about done in for the night. getting late here
[06:01:59] <Fnord666> yes it is.
[06:02:21] <Fnord666> and sometimes the cupboard is mighty bare.
[06:05:26] <n1> https://soylentnews.org
[06:05:28] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Calling All Editors - Past or 'Resting'
[06:05:34] <n1> took me a while to find that heh
[06:10:45] <Fnord666> nice post
[06:10:54] <Fnord666> well said and heartfelt
[06:12:02] <Fnord666> !uid 1
[06:12:02] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6482, owned by poofygoof
[06:12:21] <n1> i think it's important to not worry, just focus on what you can do so you're in the best frame of mind to do it... it's not great when working on the site becomes a chore or frustrating.
[06:14:16] <Fnord666> Good point. If there's not much in the queue I usually try to find interesting articles, either thru arthur or my own RSS feeds.
[06:14:59] <Fnord666> So there's content for other editors to work with rather than post something pretty meh that's been sitting for days.
[06:15:55] <n1> yeah, it's a good thing to do... a healthy submissions queue is not something we see very often
[06:16:26] <n1> said it before but... i'm sure people forget that's how the site works
[06:17:51] <Fnord666> The Tesla crash report article look ok?
[06:18:44] <Fnord666> I put one more story out there about Symantec and SSL certs and now I'm going to call it a night.
[06:19:38] <n1> there was an accidentally copy/pasted bit in the tesla one which i only just noticed
[06:20:33] <Fnord666> you fixed?
[06:21:37] <Fnord666> I wasn't sure if Charon left that header in there on purpose or not.
[06:22:22] <Fnord666> thanks for catching that. Good night n1
[06:22:27] <n1> aye
[06:22:35] <n1> take it easy, Fnord666
[06:22:37] * n1 hat tip
[06:22:50] * Fnord666 tips back
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[19:33:28] <nick> ahoy, cmn32480
[19:36:38] <takyon> time to take out the trash
[19:36:39] <takyon> http://www.nextbigfuture.com
[19:36:40] <exec> └─ 13Next Big Future: Growing new human eyes and reversing paralysis in the past twelve months are just the start of a Stem Cell Revolution
[19:36:47] <takyon> http://www.nextbigfuture.com
[19:36:48] <exec> └─ 13Next Big Future: Memristor can do multistate processing as well as nonvolatile memory
[19:36:58] <takyon> http://www.sciencemag.org
[19:37:35] <takyon> http://arstechnica.com
[19:37:36] <exec> └─ 13Gabe Newell describes older Half-Life games as “things I regret“ | Ars Technica
[19:37:41] <takyon> http://arstechnica.com
[19:37:43] <exec> └─ 13The 2018 Mustang will have driver assist tech, 10-speed transmission option | Ars Technica
[19:40:25] <takyon> https://www.vice.com
[19:40:58] <takyon> http://www.nextbigfuture.com
[19:41:00] <exec> └─ 13Next Big Future: Fat can be used to Help Wounds Heal Without Scars, skin regeneration and not scarring
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[22:18:35] <charon_> happy gloomy sunday
[22:43:51] <nick> hey charon_
[22:44:24] <charon_> hiyo nick
[22:44:59] <charon_> how are you?
[22:48:04] <nick> i am good thanks
[22:48:06] <nick> you?
[22:50:11] <charon_> doing fine. counting the minutes until i get to leave work
[22:51:39] <charon_> man people can be loons
[22:52:31] <charon_> nowadays they write web pages about their lunacy and spread it
[22:53:17] <nick> that they do
[22:54:42] <nick> takyon, interesting comment on the trump story
[22:54:48] <charon_> i just dipped my toe into the idea that if a US flag has gold fringe, that means the constitution is suspended in that area and people are under military/admiralty jurisdiction
[22:55:13] <charon_> now i feel a bit dirty for having read it
[22:55:30] <nick> that was a joke in King of the Hill...
[22:55:52] <nick> https://www.youtube.com
[22:55:54] <exec> └─ 13Dale Gribble Admiralty Court - YouTube
[23:10:57] <charon_> pretty funny. except some really believe it.
[23:13:40] <nick> https://www.aclu.org
[23:13:48] <nick> is more relevant than some flag nonsense
[23:14:35] <charon_> the difference is the border zone thing sounds insane but is true
[23:14:48] <charon_> the flag thing sounds insane but is insane
[23:16:08] <nick> i would assume there's some bit of legislation or document somewhere that gives some weight to it
[23:16:23] <nick> but as no one is going to give a shit about it, it doesn't really matter
[23:16:56] <charon_> it's one of those "on the books so we can use it when we want to" laws
[23:17:37] <charon_> i'm usually not a tinfoil hatter, but that one i believe
[23:18:22] <nick> all the good laws are selectively enforced
[23:18:52] <charon_> great laws, the very best laws. everyone says so
[23:19:03] * nick rewinds back to the financial crisis and 'prosecuting large institutions of systemic importance could damage the global economy'
[23:19:36] <charon_> ok, so don't prosecute the the institutions. prosecute the officers
[23:19:57] <charon_> the very concept of TBTF makes me furious
[23:20:26] <nick> can't do either, the officers are the ones that are in control of the institutions, so you prosecute the officers you're prosecuting the institution
[23:20:34] <nick> the economy cant handle that
[23:20:37] <nick> apparently
[23:21:05] <nick> TBTF is going to continue to become more important and more enshrined as a normal thing
[23:21:07] <charon_> they can always find another bullshit artist to be the mouthpiece
[23:21:17] <nick> it will probably undergo a rebranding in the next couple of years
[23:21:23] <nick> so when Trump does it, it will be different
[23:22:34] <nick> charon_, i'm not supporting it at all, just going on the previous administrations justifications and reasoning
[23:23:07] <nick> they are too big and too important, so we can shake them down for a few million every so often, but no one can actually be responsible
[23:23:39] <nick> it was just a misunderstanding, an oversight in the self-regulatory system from which lessons will be learned
[23:23:43] <nick> time to look forward
[23:23:48] <nick> not dwell on the past
[23:26:45] <charon_> grrrr
[23:26:52] <charon_> lessons have been learned
[23:28:09] <charon_> the only lessons i've learned are: rich people are not responsible for their own choices, and success is privatized while failure is socialized
[23:31:16] <nick> we're always on a delicate balancing act of calling economic policy failures, but also expecting to keep all the on paper gains the same policies had
[23:31:49] <charon_> in this case, i mean a corporate bakruptcy.
[23:32:08] <charon_> they keep all the gains during boom-times, but expect a bailout when bad times come
[23:32:18] <charon_> because they ate all the fucking seedcorn
[23:32:34] <charon_> jesus, i sound like OO_
[23:32:38] <nick> lol
[23:34:28] <nick> from what i understand trump has played a similar game a couple times... one of his business interests was going bankrupt, but refused to negotiate refinancing until the banks involved financed his participation in the negotiations
[23:34:52] <charon_> i am not suprised by this
[23:34:58] <nick> as i understand it anyway... it seems that he was aware the banks couldn't afford to let the business default on its debts, so found a way to shake them down for more ontop
[23:35:24] <charon_> if i go down, i owe you so much money that you go down too
[23:35:44] <charon_> which brings us to US Bonds
[23:36:03] <charon_> currently owned in massive quantity by China
[23:36:04] <nick> which is what the system is built on, and the reason why Trump is not going to, and has no actual incentive to meaningfully change that situation
[23:36:21] <nick> if he starts taking the TBTF down, his own empire goes with it
[23:37:01] <nick> i believe china has been divesting itself from US bonds
[23:37:15] <charon_> oh? so they can let us fail now
[23:37:47] <nick> a quick google says Japan now holds the most
[23:38:56] <nick> which i assume they're obligated to do in some way, officially and unofficially... japan has an economy in a very precarious position and has little other option than to play along
[23:50:52] <charon_> economics is outside my wheelhouse. i keep meaning to learn more about it, but never get there
[23:52:23] <nick> in my opinion economics is mostly alchemy and perception management
[23:52:45] <charon_> heh, don't ever meet khallow in a dark alley
[23:52:55] <nick> but there's also political, especially foreign policy elements to it.
[23:52:56] <nick> oh?
[23:53:14] <charon_> most of his posting specifically touches on economics
[23:54:53] <nick> in my opinion, the biggest issue while there is validity to the various 'schools' of economics, they are not reflective of the actual reality as far as implemented at various levels of economic policy.
[23:56:14] <Bytram> there's theory and practice; everything works, in theory, but in prqactice... not so much
[23:57:48] <nick> if governments keep buying each others debt, we can move the numbers around enough to create the perception of growth
[23:58:44] <nick> 'Portugal Bonds Falter as ECB Running Out of Eligible Debt to Buy'
[23:59:00] <charon_> i'll buy all the bonds, and i will pay 1 baby carrot for each
[23:59:04] <Bytram> 'kite'ing checks was slo-mo; then there was using credit cards to pay off credit cards, and now we have banks doing it on a much larger level?
[23:59:48] <nick> Bytram, they've been doing it for years now
[23:59:52] <nick> banks and governments