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[04:03:22] <charon> hiyo editors
[04:03:31] <charon> if there be any
[04:22:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite Hephaestus
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[14:02:54] -!- mode/#editorial [+v janrinok] by Hephaestus
[14:06:07] <cmn32480> ~welcome on
[14:06:08] <exec> welcome enabled for 10#editorial
[14:06:14] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[14:06:15] * exec half-heartedly pisses a zip archive of ads on cmn32480
[14:06:49] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[14:06:51] * exec sardonically deallocates a lattice of hatred from janrinok
[14:06:53] <cmn32480> yer on early
[14:07:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday janrinok
[14:07:29] * exec arrogantly ejaculates the last box of dollars at janrinok
[14:07:46] <janrinok> yep, but more lurking than actually doing much to contribute
[14:07:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! exec is giving away your dollars, cmn32480
[14:08:28] <cmn32480> luirkers welcome
[14:09:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, i'm coding my bot. the only way i could be less productive is if i were... no, there's no way i could be less productive. even a nap would refresh me for useful coding.
[14:09:28] <janrinok> your dollars are welcome - Theresa May's speech has made the pound fall a little bit more
[14:09:42] <janrinok> TMB lol
[14:10:20] <janrinok> TMB, I found the exchange of comments on the Rust/Go story quite entertaining
[14:10:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> kicker is, i actually want to be productive but pj is too busy currently to push out the site update.
[14:11:22] * cmn32480 calls bullshit on the first part of that statement
[14:11:28] <janrinok> you want to work but cannot because pj won't let you - oh, that must be the perfect excuse. I have no such thing unfortunately.
[14:12:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i should talk NCommander into it. lots of fun to be had deploying code that's unknown to you.
[14:12:26] <janrinok> I'm still very tired after Christmas, and because of this I haven't got today's chores finished yet. So I must plod on until I have finished them
[14:13:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah. i really should do some of mine too. maybe a bit later in the morning.
[14:14:03] * cmn32480 is at work and feels like a third wheel to this conversation
[14:14:08] <janrinok> it's mid-afternoon here, I cannot even use that excuse
[14:14:23] <cmn32480> start dirinking.. taht is always a good motivator
[14:14:30] <janrinok> cmn32480, why aren't you working? Who is funding our laziness?
[14:14:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do that i start thinking washing dishes with a shotgun might be fun.
[14:15:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> which it would be if i didn't live in town or have to pay for them.
[14:15:26] <cmn32480> use up all that christmas ammo...
[14:15:37] <janrinok> I just load the dishwasher - I have stopped doing tasks that I can have a machine do
[14:16:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> fek no. .22 shells are harder'n hell to come by since BO started the policy of having non-military/law enforcement government agencies buy up ammo with their yearly surplus funds.
[14:17:41] <janrinok> so get the police to come and shoot at your dishes - you can even charge them for target practice
[14:18:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> and give them all the fun? what've they done to deserve it lately?
[14:18:33] <janrinok> see, this is what I think Trump is referring to, you have to become an entrepreneur - sell the shooting of your dishes for profit!
[14:19:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'a good point. wonder where i can get some really cheap and bursty plates.
[14:19:37] <janrinok> offer 1 hours shooting for a six-pack of beer or whatever - use your enforced laziness for gain and profit!
[14:20:18] <janrinok> c'mon - Make America Great Again!
[14:20:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm kinda sick of being an entrepreneur though.
[14:20:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd like a piddly-ass job that barely keeps me in computer kit and fishing lures right now.
[14:20:52] <janrinok> this motivational speech was sponsored by the UK Brexit Committee
[14:21:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> the TN job market being what it is though, that's hard to come by if you don't want it to involve 40h/week of hard work.
[14:23:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need something like 20h/week that pays ~$10/hr. which would technically leave me down as dirt poor but would cover my actual needs and desires nicely.
[14:24:40] <janrinok> sounds like an attractive target to aim for, but probably not easy to actually achieve
[14:26:26] <janrinok> cmn32480, have you found that new minion that you wanted to employ? Is it likely to actually happen or will they just leave all the work to you?
[14:26:41] <cmn32480> still working on it
[14:26:48] <cmn32480> they are going to hire somebody
[14:26:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, weekend warehouse guy. 2x12h shifts a week paying $17.88/hr.
[14:27:27] <janrinok> working days or nights?
[14:28:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> 6a-6p
[14:28:36] <cmn32480> that ain't bad
[14:28:46] <janrinok> no fishing at w/e then, but it gives you the week free
[14:29:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that'd kinda suck but i could live with it
[14:29:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> rather pull an evening shift somewhere but shurg
[14:31:39] <janrinok> sounds close enough to meeting most of your requirements though
[14:32:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> very much so. granted it'd take me a few minutes to learn to use a fork lift but not much longer.
[14:35:40] <janrinok> don't hesitate too long - I'll bet others fancy those options too
[14:36:40] <cmn32480> forklifts are easy to drive
[14:36:43] <cmn32480> just don't be stupid
[14:39:16] <janrinok> In the UK you need a licence to drive them I think
[14:41:25] <cmn32480> depends on the p[lace
[14:41:35] <cmn32480> we don't require one.. but a lot of places fdo
[14:41:56] <cmn32480> some just require you to go through their training program
[14:42:03] <cmn32480> others require OSHA certs
[14:59:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, networking guy needed for a manufacturing place
[15:04:11] <cmn32480> there you go
[15:07:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, unless they go around hitting my kit with forklifts, i'd be getting paid to play nethack most days.
[15:07:42] <janrinok> what are the hours?
[15:07:44] <cmn32480> it happens....
[15:07:50] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[15:07:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't specify
[15:08:09] <janrinok> could be fulltime with no fishing opportunities
[15:09:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could talk em into 20h/week with being on call the other 20h.
[15:09:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> projects aside
[15:10:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> or there's always dishwasher at chili's
[15:10:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're pretty damned flexible on hours since they employ so many college kids.
[15:11:11] <janrinok> you would be mind-dead within a week!
[15:12:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i've done dishwasher before. it's really kinda zen.
[15:15:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> you just get yourself in the groove and let your hands autopilot while your brain goes blank. helps if you have an earworm you like stuck in your head.
[15:15:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> most jobs are like that to me though.
[15:16:08] <janrinok> you'd be washing away and dreaming of perl...
[15:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly. or have headphones hooked to my phone and jamming tunes.
[15:17:07] <janrinok> whatever...
[15:18:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, i find non-strenuous manual labor quite soothing to the brain after all these years playing with code, running cable, troubleshooting what people've fucked up, and the like.
[15:19:07] <janrinok> so the networking job seems more attractive to you at the moment?
[15:19:33] <janrinok> or would you prefer something that you can switch off while doing it
[15:21:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> undecided.
[15:21:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> the former would pay better, probably, but be higher stress.
[15:22:24] <janrinok> yup
[15:22:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> frankly, after being self-employed for so long, it'll be nice just to not be responsible for world+dog.
[15:24:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll look into a few of them Thursday. see what the pay and flexibility are like.
[15:24:18] <janrinok> are you looking for something long-term or just to tide you over for a while?
[15:25:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> for an indefinite period. something i could chill in for a few years if i liked or drop without feeling like i was putting them in a spot.
[15:25:51] <janrinok> so regular pay but not being tied to anything in particular
[15:26:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> not mission critical and hard to replace
[15:26:36] <janrinok> no - that's our prerogative
[15:27:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could end up moving 20 miles away and it's not worth it to commute that plus the 15 i'd likely already be doing.
[15:27:09] <janrinok> pity the site can't pay you
[15:27:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it did i'd feel obligated to do a whole lot more work, so that's fine.
[15:27:37] * janrinok remembers those dreams we had a few years ago
[15:29:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> well they say expect to take a loss for three years in a small business. we've made profit every year. growth's kinda slowed but who knows what the future holds.
[15:29:16] <janrinok> true
[15:30:14] <janrinok> but after 3 years I'm glad we have had a recent influx of new eds - I was/am getting very tired with my other commitments and I could not have kept going at the rate I was
[15:30:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> now i'd like to pull in enough to buy out the shareholders but it's not imperative unless they decide it is.
[15:30:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, no kidding. life went and got right busy for you.
[15:30:42] <janrinok> just a lot
[15:32:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> pj too. we may need to see if we can get nc back in the dev saddle more often.
[15:32:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i sure as fuck don't want lead dev responsibility.
[15:32:50] <janrinok> lol - I can understand that feeling!
[15:33:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> and one of us three is who it's gotta be. can't pull someone in fresh and slap them in as lead dev when they don't know the code.
[15:33:45] <janrinok> how many active devs do we have - including those who contribute on an occasional basis?
[15:34:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> counting Bytram who occasionally plays with templates and avoids perl, four.
[15:35:01] <janrinok> oh, I thought we had a few others who chipped in every now and then?
[15:35:05] <janrinok> brb 10
[15:35:07] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[15:35:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> good idea
[15:35:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[15:35:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[15:35:24] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 3
[15:52:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> we got like 4-5 people who've submitted 1-3 minor pull requests each ever. wouldn't really call them devs.
[15:55:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> for folks who code regularly, there's just me currently. NC has nada in this upcoming update and pj has like two or three weeks worth (over 9-10 months), though he was extremely productive during them.
[15:58:12] <janrinok> have to do for a while longer than I initially thought - back on in a few hours time.
[15:58:26] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[15:58:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> yarp. see yas.
[18:45:56] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
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[18:50:01] -!- mode/#editorial [+v charon_] by Hephaestus
[18:50:23] <charon_> ~gday #editorial
[18:50:23] <janrinok> ~gday charon
[18:50:24] * exec allegedly deletes an example of Irish luck from #editorial
[18:50:25] * exec deliciously mixes a cold can of jiggling juggs with charon
[18:50:46] <charon_> hidly ho, janrinok
[18:50:55] <cmn32480> ~gday charon_
[18:50:56] * exec theoretically spews a volley of store-brand beer on charon_
[18:51:05] <janrinok> now that's a new greeting for me - hidly ho
[18:51:16] <cmn32480> he's a simpsons fan obviously
[18:51:52] <charon_> i have a warm spot in my heart for ned flanders
[18:51:55] <janrinok> don't watch it so I'll take your word for it
[18:52:10] <janrinok> as long as its' your heart and not elsewhere
[18:52:13] <charon_> but actually, i haven't seen an episode in years
[18:52:42] <cmn32480> stupid sexy flanders
[18:53:36] <cmn32480> https://www.youtube.com
[18:53:38] <exec> └─ 13Stupid Sexy Flanders! (The Simpsons) - YouTube
[18:54:53] <charon_> i see the sub queue is looking bare. i'll try to drop some stuff in
[18:56:02] <janrinok> no subs from P666 for a while
[18:57:15] <charon_> a few here and there, but not his usual output
[18:57:46] <charon_> how are you guys today?
[18:58:38] <janrinok> I'm getting a bit concerned about my fatigue - it doesn't seem to be diminishing. But other than that everything continues as 'normal' here
[19:00:17] <charon_> so it's not just left over holiday busy-ness?
[19:01:29] <janrinok> well, I actually wake up feeling tired and exhausted - so that doesn't seem right to me.
[19:01:43] <cmn32480> go see the doctor janrinok
[19:01:54] <cmn32480> you aren't jsut dreaming you are a muffler are you?
[19:01:58] <cmn32480> and waking up exhausted?
[19:02:31] <janrinok> that joke needed the second line for us Brits - it means something else entirely in real English
[19:03:22] <charon_> when i dream i'm a muffler, i wake up to find i'm strangling someone
[19:03:57] <janrinok> as long as you are not waking next to a dead body, I suppose the dream is harmless enough
[19:04:32] <charon_> i second cmn32480's suggestion of seeing a doctor
[19:05:02] <janrinok> yup, I guess, but it will probably end up with her telling me to stay away from you lot too!
[19:05:47] <cmn32480> that'd probably be terr for your mental health... our kind of crazy is catching
[19:06:04] <charon_> i am perfectly sane
[19:06:46] <janrinok> the first sign of madness is claiming that you are perfectly sane
[19:07:27] <janrinok> and I suppose the 2nd sign is volunteering to be an editor on SN
[19:08:01] <charon_> oh shit
[19:08:18] <janrinok> so I would be batshit crazy to take your advice anyway
[19:08:25] * charon_ takes a sip of mercury.
[19:08:32] <charon_> but i feel fine
[19:08:36] <janrinok> not too much now - make it last the evening
[19:11:29] <charon_> i occasionally wonder about things that would be bad for me. like what does liquid nitrogen taste like?
[19:11:43] <charon_> does cyanide really smell like almonds?
[19:12:08] <janrinok> yes to that one - I used to work at a chemical laboratory many moons ago
[19:12:14] <charon_> can i outrun this bear?
[19:12:27] <chromas> What does a running bear taste like?
[19:12:37] <charon_> !grab chromas
[19:12:37] <Bender> Added quote 52
[19:13:19] <charon_> see, chromas understands
[19:14:16] <janrinok> that only seals your fate in my opinion
[19:14:23] <charon_> lol
[19:14:42] <janrinok> ~gday chromas
[19:14:43] * exec insatiably stuffs an overflowing chest of systemd into chromas
[19:14:46] <charon_> so how did you get a whiff of cyanide without perishing?
[19:14:55] <chromas> ~g'day janrinok, charon_
[19:14:57] * exec buttmagically farts a massive fart a spankbank of hate at janrinok,
[19:15:05] <chromas> no hate for you, charon_
[19:15:10] <charon_> yay
[19:15:16] <chromas> Maybe you get just a little whiff
[19:15:50] <janrinok> if it is heavily diluted with harmless gasses, it doesn't necessarily make you drop down dead. I had to have a medical examination but was declared fit
[19:16:29] <charon_> pretty scary
[19:16:41] <janrinok> the bigger problem was why the research lab ventilation system didn't prevent the leakage
[19:18:14] <charon_> that is a problem. i assume someone looked into that?
[19:19:11] <janrinok> oh yes - the lab was closed until the problem was rectified. Took place in the late 1960s - I'm sure there would be a lot more paperwork to fill in nowadays
[19:25:38] <charon_> damnit. i almost submitted an interesting article which turned out to be a "what if something like this happened in the future... whoa" piece
[19:27:11] <janrinok> I've just been thinking - I've done some pretty dumb things during my lifetime, had a ball, but been pretty dumb too
[19:28:11] <charon_> that's life, right? hopefully you learn from the dumb things you did
[19:29:27] <janrinok> well, it's getting a bit late for me now, but I'm still here :)
[19:31:20] <charon_> good thing too, who else would keep the ship floating?
[19:31:37] <janrinok> you, I hope ...
[19:32:14] * charon_ hides
[19:32:37] <janrinok> I think most of the eds are posting more than I am nowadays. I'm taking what I like to think is a well-earned rest, but I'm not so sure that is true
[19:33:52] <charon_> feeling burnt out?
[19:34:10] <janrinok> yup
[19:36:13] <janrinok> but this is my social life, if you will. I have more fun on IRC than I do with anyone else (other than S of course) because my opportunities to get out and about are pretty limited nowadays
[19:40:27] <charon_> i don't blame you. you've been here since the beginning
[19:40:45] <janrinok> that's right - blame me!
[19:40:52] <charon_> lol
[19:41:06] <janrinok> oh, you said 'don't blame' - my bad
[19:41:08] <janrinok> lol
[19:41:15] <janrinok> ~blame
[19:41:16] * exec points at Bytram
[19:41:25] <janrinok> see - it's not my fault at all
[19:42:02] <charon_> of course not. it's always Bytram
[19:42:09] <janrinok> 'zactly
[19:42:42] * cmn32480 suggests we old folks take a rest and let the young 'uns do all the editing.
[19:42:42] <charon_> i feel similar about IRC. i don't socialize in real life much because i have severe hearing trouble. so being able to type is a far easier way to communicate
[19:42:56] <cmn32480> that'll give us the ability to give the "Back in my day" speech
[19:42:58] * janrinok seconds cmn's proposal
[19:43:21] <cmn32480> charon_ - WHAT? DO I NEED TO YELL WHILE TYPING????
[19:43:26] <charon_> oh good, so i can complain about those old bastards who never do anything
[19:43:57] <charon_> it's not my eyes, dope
[19:44:14] * cmn32480 looks to see if he can change the type size in IRC
[19:44:14] <janrinok> yup - fair enough but don't say we didn't warn you, there _will_ be retribution for any mocking of the greybeards
[19:44:53] <janrinok> anyway, we don't call it grey, it is now 'geriatric blond'
[19:44:57] <charon_> who is "janrinok" and why is he drooling on the table?
[19:45:18] <janrinok> 'cos if he drools sideways he falls of his chair
[19:45:25] <cmn32480> geriatric blond... white.... whatever
[19:46:11] <charon_> i know what you're getting for your birthday. some nice hair blueing
[19:46:26] * cmn32480 would settle for some hair....
[19:47:03] * charon_ makes a wig out of his own hair for cmn32480
[19:47:16] * cmn32480 hopes he washed it first
[19:47:32] <cmn32480> did you take out the jerry curl first?
[19:48:11] <janrinok> jerry curl?
[19:48:25] <charon_> jheri curl
[19:48:32] <janrinok> ah, now it make sense]
[19:49:42] <charon_> it's more of a bob ross look
[19:50:29] <janrinok> time for me to be moving on for the night
[19:50:35] <janrinok> ~gnight cmn32480
[19:50:36] * exec spontaneously sets an XFS volume of gold coins by cmn32480
[19:50:40] <janrinok> ~gnight charon
[19:50:41] * exec abrasively pisses an assload of the aids on charon
[19:50:44] <cmn32480> ~gnight janrinok
[19:50:45] * exec cohesively reticulates an undersized chest of privilege for janrinok
[19:50:47] <cmn32480> get some rest
[19:50:52] <charon_> ~gnight janrinok take care
[19:50:53] <cmn32480> give S my best
[19:50:54] * exec seductively gives a udp packet of green eggs and ham to janrinok
[19:51:07] <janrinok> I'll do my best. And to J likewise please cmn.
[19:51:11] <cmn32480> I shall
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[20:44:22] -!- mode/#editorial [+v nick] by Hephaestus
[20:44:24] <exec> welcome nick: Laurium, Calumet Township, MI, USA, 3°C/37°F, 3:44 pm GMT-5, Tuesday, 17 January 2017
[20:45:36] <charon_> hiyo nick
[20:46:19] <nick> charon_ !!
[20:46:46] <charon_> how goes it?
[20:49:46] <nick> it goes, relatively busy few days but all is well
[20:49:51] <nick> how goes charon_
[20:51:40] <charon_> well over here. a bit overtired
[20:52:06] <nick> GBPUSD 1.23990 0.0356 2.96 % is keeping me in a positive mood
[20:52:37] <charon_> hooray for PM May
[20:54:15] <nick> it's taken since june, but the government actually said something!
[20:54:41] <charon_> A50 by march, eh?
[20:55:58] <nick> maaaaybeee ... but even if not, they've been fairly clear on hard brexit with minimal concessions
[20:56:37] <nick> so instead of wondering about nuances of 'clean' 'soft' 'light' 'hard' 'dirty' brexit, there's some direction over the situation
[20:57:34] <charon_> i like a bit of the dirty brexit now and then
[20:58:36] <nick> i can only assume that's what most are hoping for
[20:58:55] <nick> the people who actually have the potential from the situation at least
[20:58:58] * charon_ jabs nick in the ribs and winks so hard his eye sticks shut
[20:59:34] <nick> indeed
[20:59:48] <charon_> ~arthur d96834
[20:59:50] <exec> 571 stories loaded
[20:59:50] <exec> attempting to submit story: "The lost letters of the English alphabet"
[21:00:11] <cmn32480> that is because they can't say them any more due to bad teeth
[21:00:22] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[21:00:27] <exec> 570 stories loaded
[21:00:29] <nick> i went to the dentist, once
[21:00:53] <charon_> horrorshow, innit?
[21:01:11] <cmn32480> like I change my underwear
[21:01:16] <cmn32480> every 6 months if I need it or not
[21:01:58] <charon_> where's chromas when you need him?
[21:03:35] <charon_> time for lunch break. see you guys later on
[21:03:51] <cmn32480> smell ya later
[21:03:58] <cmn32480> especially if you eat onions or garlic
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[21:05:21] <nick> how goes cmn32480
[21:05:46] <cmn32480> not bad
[21:05:56] <cmn32480> kinda like a chicken being plucked one feather at a time
[21:07:39] <cmn32480> how about you?
[21:08:06] <nick> getting ready to be roasted?
[21:08:28] <cmn32480> somethign like that
[21:08:45] <nick> no complaints here
[21:08:50] <cmn32480> that's good
[21:08:53] <cmn32480> starting to thaw?
[21:09:28] <nick> snow is not going anywhere, it getting warmer just makes things worse
[21:09:42] <cmn32480> lol
[21:09:51] <cmn32480> a weather tease?
[21:10:51] <nick> out the front, the snow is higher than the windows downstairs, which is still raised off the ground by several feet.
[21:11:32] <cmn32480> think of it as extra insulation
[21:12:08] <nick> i have not really felt the cold... still trying to wear shorts around the house at least
[21:14:25] <nick> when it's as cold as it was a week or two ago, that was definitely the coldest ive ever felt, even wearing layers
[21:16:01] <cmn32480> that does happen where you are
[21:16:11] <cmn32480> rather frequeently from what I understand
[21:21:44] <nick> https://www.nytimes.com
[21:21:46] <exec> └─ 13Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence - The New York Times
[21:21:53] <nick> i couldn't live somewhere like this
[21:21:58] <nick> too much winter
[21:37:30] * TheMightyBuzzard eyes nick's link
[21:38:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> I'll call him fluffy the wonder kitten if he wants but I'm still not making out with him; he's a dude.
[21:39:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> also, i'm now calling everyone i know named Brad, Chelsea.
[21:43:29] <cmn32480> good for her?
[21:43:35] <cmn32480> I gues
[21:43:37] <cmn32480> s
[21:44:45] <nick> i am interested as to where this will go with manning-assange-snowden as a whole, seems like the situation of these 'high profile' whistleblowers is shifting from the relative continuity of the recent years
[21:45:34] * cmn32480 thinks it is Obama trying to salvage somethign of a legacy since his signature stuff is all getting repealed
[21:48:40] <nick> there is certainly that element to it also
[21:50:34] <cmn32480> all his signature legislation has basically been a failure
[21:50:52] <cmn32480> maybe he is trying to do somethign good
[22:32:38] * TheMightyBuzzard cackles as he hits submit