#editorial | Logs for 2016-12-23

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[00:00:24] <n1> although because of that, they could burn out soon too, so don't wait too long ;)
[00:01:11] <caffeine> I've been watching them and opening some stories. Just wanted to have the time to not make too many mistakes :-) I'll get started in the next couple of days.
[00:02:02] <n1> great, whenever you're ready :)
[00:03:36] <Deucalion> A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new. -- That Einstein bloke
[00:04:35] <n1> sounds like something bytram would say though
[00:06:47] <Deucalion> The editor interface can be kind of daunting on first tackling it to be fair. Hell, I still find it daunting.. but then I rarely need to use it as we have a wonderful constellation of editors :D
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[00:14:55] <n1> there you go scaring them off again
[00:17:32] <Deucalion> see... this is why I should just contain myself to the other place...
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[00:31:45] <cmn32480> caffeine - if you need a refresher hit up any of the senior eds
[00:32:22] <cmn32480> or if you drop a story or two into dev or prod, any of us would be happy to look them over
[00:33:13] <cmn32480> and of course.. he's not here anymore
[00:35:46] <cmn32480> ~tell caffeine if you need a refresher hit up any of the senior eds
[00:35:46] <cmn32480> or if you drop a story or two into dev or prod, any of us would be happy to look them over
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[02:06:34] -!- mode/#editorial [+v mrpg] by Hephaestus
[02:06:53] <mrpg> first post!1!1
[02:07:25] <cmn32480> frosty piss!
[02:07:42] <cmn32480> how goes mrpg
[02:08:26] <mrpg> fine. checking the lurking facebook submission for Saturday.
[02:08:42] <cmn32480> check the times
[02:08:52] <cmn32480> I think I left a rather large gap accidentally
[02:10:10] <mrpg> I thought it was on purpose. Because it's saturday.
[02:10:22] <cmn32480> nope
[02:10:44] <mrpg> yes it's like 12 hours.
[02:10:48] <cmn32480> I was busy this morning, and pooched it
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[02:12:17] <mrpg> ok, so should I put mine in that 12 hours period?
[02:12:33] <cmn32480> yes
[02:12:35] <cmn32480> please
[02:12:41] <mrpg> deal.
[02:12:53] <cmn32480> you are doing a fine job, by the way
[02:15:00] <mrpg> Thank you :) In my daily job I run a newsletter that I send on Mondays.
[02:15:29] <cmn32480> oh... so you cheated and had experience beforehand
[02:16:10] <mrpg> hahaha yes.
[02:34:16] <mrpg> Today the guardian is a mine of news https://www.theguardian.com
[02:34:18] <exec> └─ 13World news and comment from the Guardian | The Guardian
[02:44:57] <mrpg> I like this one "World's first solar panel road opens in Normandy village"
[02:56:30] <mrpg> Question: this "facebook lurking" submission says "(Full paper free to read until January 18 2017.)" How does she know? it doesn't say so on the linked page.
[02:56:57] <cmn32480> interesting
[02:59:24] <cmn32480> I can't find it either
[03:01:18] <mrpg> plot twist: she's the investigator or webmaster of the site.
[03:04:15] <cmn32480> welll. that explains it
[03:13:31] <mrpg> must be, she has a subscriber bagde, must be loaded of grants cash.
[03:13:45] <mrpg> he or she
[03:13:52] <Bytram> mrpg: do you have a linky to the sn story?
[03:14:00] <Bytram> nvm, found it
[03:14:48] <mrpg> ok
[03:16:03] <paulej72> Is it mr pg. or m rpg
[03:16:55] <mrpg> mrpg no spaces
[03:17:12] <cmn32480> he's a mobile role playing game
[03:17:56] <mrpg> yes, it's 2017 everything is mobile
[03:18:04] <Bytram> mrpg: I think the query pertains to the origin/meaning of the nick... does it denote "Mr PG" or "M RPG"? Or maybe something else?
[03:18:20] <mrpg> haha, my initials.
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[03:18:51] <Bytram> mrpg: you has FOUR names?
[03:19:03] <Bytram> Mark Richard Peter Graham?
[03:19:22] <mrpg> first name second name fathers surname mothers surname
[03:19:42] <mrpg> full name
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[03:20:27] <Bytram> ahhh, noice! got it.
[03:20:54] <paulej72> I like cmn32480 answer better
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[03:21:42] <Bytram> if Mr Johnson-Smith marries Miss Clyde-Barrows, does their last name now contain *4* parts? Clyde-Barrows-Johnson-Smith? (or is it the other way around?)
[03:22:50] <cmn32480> depends if they wanna be very progressive and hyphenate everythign or simple adn frickin' pick one
[03:23:16] <Bytram> mrpg: cmn32480 btw, there is a typo in the facebook story: "Slowly and Painlully" should be "Slowly and Painfully"
[03:23:30] * Bytram will fix
[03:23:35] <cmn32480> if it si in the quote we don't fix it
[03:23:51] <mrpg> and there's two of in "of of envy"
[03:24:13] <mrpg> multiple surnames https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:24:14] <exec> └─ 13Double-barrelled name - Wikipedia
[03:24:46] * Bytram loads his double-barreled shotgun
[03:25:25] * cmn32480 loads his double barrel chainsaw
[03:27:08] * Bytram decides to leave the facebook story alone and lets the other eds have at it as they will
[03:27:29] * Bytram continues reading about double-barrelled names
[03:30:07] <mrpg> In Japan people have one name and one surname, nothing else.
[03:33:01] <Bytram> very interesting! It seems that I might legally have a double-barrelled surname in one country, but upon taking up residence in a different country, said name could be illegal (/me looks t Germany)
[03:33:12] <Bytram> s/ t / at /
[03:33:14] <exec> <Bytram> very interesting! It seems that I might legally have a double-barrelled surname in one country, but upon taking up residence in a different country, said name could be illegal (/me looks at Germany)
[03:34:56] <Bytram> In Germany a double surname (German: Doppelname) is generally joined with a single hyphen. Other types of double surnames are not accepted by German name law. However, exceptions are made for immigrants and for marriages where the double surname already was the official name of one partner before marriage.[citation needed] A 1993 law forbids surnames with more than two components.[4] Prior to this, it was permitted for adults (e.g.,
[03:34:56] <Bytram> Simone Greiner-Petter-Memm and formerly Elisabeth Noelle-Neumann-Maier-Leibniz[4]) but their children would not inherit the name.[4] The 1993 ban was upheld by the Constitutional Court in 2009.[4]
[03:35:25] <Bytram> ahhh, upon re-reading it is not as I had first thought.
[03:40:34] <mrpg> Humans are complicated.
[03:40:47] <cmn32480> Cmdr. Data would agree with you
[03:43:44] <Bytram> especially since some double-barrelled names do have hyphens and others do not... makes it especialy fun when used in conjunction with two-word first-names: jim bob or mary ellen
[03:44:44] * Bytram starts to contemplate how to store said names in a DB, quivers for a moment, and then banishes the thought.
[03:59:46] <mrpg> Something else. the BBC article nowhere links to the study...
[04:00:44] <mrpg> The plot thickens
[04:01:32] * n1 heard mention of the BBC
[04:09:01] <mrpg> The article says "a study of the university" and the submitters says "a graduate". It is the same person the submitter and the grad student!!!! I bet no one has ever seen them together. I bet you my two surnames here in Germany or wherever.
[04:09:54] <Bytram> mrpg++ sleuthing genius
[04:09:54] <Bender> karma - mrpg: 1
[04:10:10] <Bytram> mrpg++ long since overdue
[04:10:10] <Bender> karma - mrpg: 2
[04:10:18] <Bytram> mrpg++ long since overdue
[04:10:18] <Bender> karma - mrpg: 3
[04:11:51] <mrpg> Thanks, I'm flattered.
[04:12:08] <Bytram> Nice to meet you, I'm Bytram!
[04:12:10] <Bytram> =)
[04:12:57] <Bytram> annnnnd with that, I'm also tired. am gonna call it a night and hit the hay. got another long day at work tomorrow.
[04:13:08] <Bytram> ~gnight #editorial
[04:13:10] * exec insensitively vomits a basket of caffeine on #editorial
[04:14:47] <mrpg> bye
[04:16:54] <mrpg> And how come this person posted three links to similar studies? got you Morten Tromholt, MSc Department of Sociology.
[04:17:38] <mrpg> well done Mort.
[04:18:05] <mrpg> Hey I just happen to know of three similar studies. yea right
[04:20:27] <mrpg> The "save" button is misleading, I can't save my edits I can only promote it to story.
[04:20:41] <cmn32480> correct
[04:21:19] <cmn32480> you can only edit and promote...
[04:21:41] <cmn32480> but, if you are working on the story, you can promote, set it out a day or whatever nad continue to workin on it
[04:21:48] <mrpg> good
[04:21:58] <cmn32480> leave a note in the ed notes that you are still processing it
[04:22:44] <cmn32480> adn then, when you are done, put it in a good time slot.. .
[04:22:57] <cmn32480> you will find some stories will have many many many saves
[04:23:02] <cmn32480> an NC novel,
[04:23:12] <cmn32480> the election winner story from back in November
[04:23:24] <cmn32480> are good examples of stories that have a lot of saves
[04:24:05] <cmn32480> WOOT!
[04:24:10] <cmn32480> exec is writing ot the wiki again
[04:24:27] * Fnord666 pats cmn32480 on the back
[04:24:40] * cmn32480 blames TheMightyBuzzard
[04:24:46] <cmn32480> he broke the certificates
[04:26:11] <cmn32480> I also un-pooched the python3 issues from the OS upgrade this morning
[04:27:39] <Fnord666> what broke there?
[04:27:49] <cmn32480> unknown
[04:28:02] <Fnord666> ah, that's what unpooched means
[04:28:24] <cmn32480> I had to do somethign
[04:28:27] <cmn32480> but I forget what
[04:28:47] <Fnord666> something must be done, this is something, therefore this must be done.
[04:29:33] <cmn32480> what are you? a freaking politician?
[04:29:35] <Fnord666> The transitive axiom of doing something
[04:30:32] <mrpg> Ready, please check it and tell me your opinions: https://soylentnews.org
[04:30:34] <exec> └─ 13Error
[04:30:56] <Fnord666> something must be done, this is something that will bring the highest amount of bribes and/or jobs to my district, therefore this must be done.
[04:31:08] <Fnord666> Politician's version
[04:31:10] <cmn32480> i reinstalled python3,
[04:34:09] <cmn32480> but after TMB fixed the cert error... I don't remember what I did
[04:36:40] <cmn32480> i guess I'm old and my memory is failing
[04:38:02] <charon> hey look, my poll posted
[04:38:12] * cmn32480 goes to fix that
[04:39:18] <mrpg> https://soylentnews.org
[04:39:20] <exec> └─ 13Error
[04:39:31] <mrpg> What error? I just saw it it is there.
[04:39:36] <charon> damned scrollback. now i know your pain
[04:40:07] <charon> mrpg: the bot that looks at the link is not an editor, so it can't see what that link is like we can
[04:40:18] <cmn32480> correct
[04:40:33] <mrpg> aaaaah.
[04:40:50] <mrpg> editor's timezones in the wiki are soo boring. Mine is -4 too BTW hehehe
[04:41:54] <cmn32480> exec doesn't get to log in
[04:42:05] <cmn32480> he just tries to access the link and pull the title
[04:43:08] <mrpg> ok
[04:50:12] <cmn32480> off to bed with me
[04:50:16] <cmn32480> ~gnight mrpg
[04:50:17] * exec explicitly merges a dumpster of IOUs with mrpg
[04:50:23] <charon> ~gnight cmn32480
[04:50:23] <cmn32480> ~gnight charon
[04:50:24] * exec arrogantly requisitions a doubly-linked list of diabetes for cmn32480
[04:50:24] * exec provocatively cyberbullies a cube of pain at charon
[04:50:27] <cmn32480> ~gngiht Fnord666
[04:50:41] <cmn32480> ~gnight Fnord666
[04:50:42] * exec irresponsibly pesters a ⅓ cup of distractions with Fnord666
[04:50:47] <charon> hiyo fnord, didn't see you on
[04:50:47] <cmn32480> stupid typoing fingers
[04:51:00] <mrpg> good night
[04:52:01] <Fnord666> ~gnight cmn32480
[04:52:03] * exec skeptically uninstalls a zip archive of windows nt from cmn32480
[04:52:19] <Fnord666> hey charon
[04:52:31] <charon> i swear, that was not a joke about your name, btw
[04:53:18] <Fnord666> lol
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[05:00:42] -!- mode/#editorial [+v GreatOutdoors] by Hephaestus
[05:00:57] <charon> hiyo GreatOutdoors
[05:01:00] <GreatOutdoors> yo
[05:01:28] <GreatOutdoors> Only on for a bit. been working crazy hours the last few weeks and I gotta get ready to go on vacation tomorrow
[05:01:46] <GreatOutdoors> Everything still good around here?
[05:01:54] <charon> yep, all good.
[05:02:06] <charon> Fnord666 and I have been picking up your slack
[05:02:38] * charon laughs
[05:03:04] <Fnord666> GreatOutdoors how you doing?
[05:03:30] <Fnord666> besides working yourself to death apparently
[05:05:17] <Fnord666> although it looks like janrinok went on a posting spree today
[05:06:51] <charon> still a day ahead of deadline
[05:07:00] <charon> with a ton of subs in the bank
[05:08:16] <GreatOutdoors> Good. I do plan to eventually do some editing, but this is holiday time and I keep really busy, lol..
[05:08:51] <GreatOutdoors> Tuesdya stunk. Worked from 7:45AM - 2AM
[05:09:56] <Fnord666> That is a long day.
[05:10:15] <charon> wow, that's nuts
[05:13:52] <Fnord666> Good thing you've got vacation lined up
[05:14:57] <charon> hmm, hey fnord, did cmn say anything about 2 hour spacing?
[05:15:18] <Fnord666> I do not recall him saying anything
[05:15:50] <Fnord666> Can always ping him tomorrow and adjust if needed.
[05:16:08] <charon> ok, i'll let janrinok figure it out if he wants them spaced out more than ~90 min
[05:16:45] <Fnord666> I'm not sure why the #2 story right now is slotted where it is either.
[05:17:04] <Fnord666> Grand Unification ...
[05:17:10] <charon> i'm fixing that now. cmn put his at a bad time, and bytram didn't notice
[05:17:21] <charon> all fixed, 90 minutes
[05:17:35] <Fnord666> ah. got it
[05:17:50] <Fnord666> much better
[05:17:57] <GreatOutdoors> Sorry, distracted with other things also.. Yeah, I am off tomorrow and have about 60 hours for the week, and have to take paperwork with me on vacation..
[05:18:36] <Fnord666> ugh.
[05:19:07] <charon> bah. "lose" it and turn your phone off
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[05:28:15] <takyon_> hi
[05:28:23] <charon> hiyo takyon_
[05:28:39] <takyon_> just checking things out
[05:28:59] <takyon_> throwing a couple of subs on our healthy pile
[05:30:59] <Fnord666> hey takyon_
[05:31:06] <GreatOutdoors> charon: Can't, it is medical equipment that I work on, and life support stuff is non negotiable when it comes to paperwork.
[05:31:44] <charon> fair enough, i guess switching off could be very bad
[05:32:01] <GreatOutdoors> yep.
[05:32:14] <GreatOutdoors> It's about 4 hours of paperwork then I am free for 11 days,
[05:32:41] <Fnord666> Good incentive to get it done then
[05:32:42] <GreatOutdoors> I have been working on anesthesia carts all week,
[05:32:43] <GreatOutdoors> .
[05:36:37] <Fnord666> Major update?
[05:41:25] <Fnord666> Well I still have to work tomorrow so I think I'm going to call it an evening.
[05:41:32] <Fnord666> ~gnight all
[05:41:33] * exec explicitly combines a ramdisk of Hitler did nothing wrong with all
[05:41:42] <charon> ~gnight Fnord666
[05:41:44] * exec spontaneously deletes a pint of pesos from Fnord666
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[12:15:56] <janrinok> ~tell charon Congratulations on reaching 100 stories edited and published
[12:16:31] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[12:28:13] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok_afk
[12:28:15] * exec prematurely mixes a recycle bin of windows 98 with janrinok_afk
[12:38:35] * cmn32480 pokes fun at janrinok_afk for having his in-laws there for 10 days.
[12:39:10] <Bytram> ~tell charon !woop congrats on reachining 100 stories!!!
[12:39:11] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[12:39:12] * exec spontaneously scissors a plate of charmin extra-soft for cmn32480
[12:39:51] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram
[12:39:52] * exec cromulently integrates a crust of onion dip with bytram
[12:40:18] <Bytram> that reminds me, I should prolly have some breakfast 'ere I go to work
[12:40:30] <cmn32480> just finsihed mine... and I am at work
[12:40:39] <cmn32480> onion dip for breakfast?
[12:40:41] <cmn32480> eww
[12:40:50] * Bytram is automagically posting test comments atm 100 down, 100 to go: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[12:40:52] <exec> └─ 13Error
[12:40:56] <Bytram> lol
[12:41:11] <Bytram> wait a sec... why is that an error?
[12:41:46] <Bytram> let's try an older story on dev: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[12:41:53] <exec> └─ 13Test Story #2 - please post no comments - Dev.SN
[12:42:12] <Bytram> strange!
[12:42:22] <Bytram> let's try this one: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[12:42:25] * cmn32480 shurgs
[12:42:28] <exec> └─ 13Test Story #3 - Please post no comments - Dev.SN
[12:42:40] <Bytram> and now the most recent one on dev: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[12:42:45] <exec> └─ 13Test Story #4 - breadth-first chron-ascending - Dev.SN
[12:42:49] <Bytram> lol
[12:42:50] <cmn32480> upside, TMB fixed the certificate issue last night, so exec works again
[12:42:56] <Bytram> yay!
[12:43:08] <Bytram> I see that you were up late trying to get that working
[12:43:11] <cmn32480> or at least the arthur piece of exec works again, for now
[12:43:14] <Bytram> cmn32480++ perseverance
[12:43:14] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 81
[12:43:33] <Bytram> okay, 130 posted, 70 more to go
[12:43:34] <cmn32480> I was up late watching StarTrek TNG on netflix waiting for exec to run the script on schedule
[12:43:44] <Bytram> nod nod -- which episode?
[12:44:05] <cmn32480> all of them
[12:44:17] <Bytram> set replay speedup == 10
[12:44:19] <cmn32480> started some weeks back at S1E1
[12:44:26] <Bytram> ahhh
[12:44:38] <cmn32480> currently at S5E11(?)
[12:44:52] <Bytram> yowza! that's a lot of trek!
[12:44:59] <cmn32480> did TOS before that
[12:45:10] <Bytram> why am I not surprised?
[12:45:29] <cmn32480> will look at the chronology and see what comes next...
[12:45:36] <cmn32480> DS9 or Voyager...
[12:45:44] * cmn32480 can't remember
[12:45:52] <Bytram> I *think* it would be deep space 9 -- never got into that series
[12:46:19] <cmn32480> me neither... but I am willing to give it a chance
[12:46:26] <Bytram> I did catch quite a few episodes of voyager -- that's the one with kate mulgrew as the captain, right?
[12:46:27] <cmn32480> now that I am older and wiser
[12:46:34] <cmn32480> think so
[12:46:39] <cmn32480> never got into that one either
[12:46:48] <Bytram> one does not necessarily follow from the other... well done my padawan
[12:47:15] <Bytram> =)
[12:47:29] <Bytram> if I am not mistaken, voyager is the one with cmdr data
[12:47:41] <Bytram> oh, wait. maybe not
[12:47:43] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:47:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 69
[12:47:47] <Bytram> lol
[12:47:48] <cmn32480> no.. that's TNG
[12:47:53] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:47:56] <cmn32480> it has the hot borg chick
[12:48:04] <Bytram> ah -- jeri something
[12:48:08] <cmn32480> ryan
[12:48:13] <Bytram> yep
[12:48:23] <Bytram> 170 comments posted
[12:48:39] * cmn32480 thinks janrinok_afk might be avoiding his inlaws by pushing stories into the queue
[12:48:59] <Bytram> I seem to have an extra SN API call invoked for each comment getting posted... will need to check it out later
[12:49:06] <Bytram> that would speed things up even more
[12:49:40] <Bytram> as it is, I've removed (well, parameterized, actually) the 10s mandatory wait for non-subscribers between comment posts
[12:49:47] <Bytram> 186 completed
[12:50:16] * Bytram waits for the 200th to post and then needs to hit the showers so as can be at work in just over an hour
[12:50:24] <cmn32480> if this is for dev, why not jsut create an account adn give it subscription days?
[12:50:24] <Bytram> 7 more comments to go
[12:50:31] <Bytram> already done
[12:50:41] <Bytram> that's why I can parameterize and remove the inter-comment wait
[12:50:49] <cmn32480> ahhh
[12:50:50] <cmn32480> gotcha
[12:50:53] <Bytram> =)
[12:50:56] <cmn32480> so 200 insta commetns
[12:51:13] <Bytram> mostly
[12:51:23] <Bytram> and... it's done
[12:51:28] <cmn32480> WOOT!
[12:51:39] <cmn32480> now go get unstinky before work
[12:52:27] <Bytram> so, note to self: it seems when posting a reply to a comment, I have an unnecessary retrieval of the soon-to-be-parent comment to get its sid & cid -- if the .json file already exists, then I should be able skip that SN API call
[12:52:40] <Bytram> hey, how's your foot doing?
[12:54:36] <cmn32480> little sore after being on and off the forklift all day yesterdayd.
[12:54:46] <cmn32480> and I'm not jogging or anythign yet, but overall, nto bad
[12:54:59] <Bytram> so glad to hear it is improving!
[12:55:02] <Bytram> pain--
[12:55:02] <Bender> karma - pain: -1
[12:55:05] <cmn32480> yeah
[12:55:20] <cmn32480> still gets sore if I push too hard, but that is expected.
[12:55:28] <cmn32480> if I don't push it, i'll have problems later
[12:56:26] <cmn32480> but thanks for asking
[12:56:29] <cmn32480> :-)
[12:56:36] <Bytram> yep, I do care
[12:56:51] <Bytram> damn! looks like some comments did not make it to the story!
[12:57:02] <Bytram> comment_0115 has no childred
[12:57:05] <Bytram> *children
[12:57:07] <cmn32480> your 10 seconds isn't their 10 seconds
[13:01:14] <Bytram> apparently.
[13:01:49] <Bytram> according to the UI, the story has 196 comments. that means that 4 comments did not make it to the story.
[13:02:28] <cmn32480> that sucks
[13:02:38] * Bytram was concerned about how failures to comment would cascade -- put a bunch of retries in there to compensate... may need to add an abort capability, and, of course, a restart. :P
[13:04:23] <Bytram> yep, looks like comment_0115 is missing its children: 0135, 0155, 0175, and 0195 -- that would do it. next is to figure out what went worng
[13:06:48] <cmn32480> don't you need to go to work?
[13:08:30] <Bytram> looks liek there was a hiccup getting the data on 0115, the retry worked, but there must be extra junk in the returned data because of the initial failure, and my code did not expect it -- failed to post reply to 0115, and so there was no comment 135 so could not reply to it and so on for each of its children
[13:08:30] <Bytram> urgh.
[13:08:36] <Bytram> yep, and I need to get my laundry, too.
[13:08:43] <Bytram> laters!
[13:08:53] <Bytram> yay again on getting exec working!
[13:08:56] <Bytram> cmn32480++ bot herder
[13:08:56] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 82
[13:08:59] <Bytram> afk
[13:27:13] <janrinok_afk> hi guys!
[13:27:21] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[13:28:01] <janrinok> cmn32480, charon has passed the 100 stories mark
[13:28:04] <janrinok> Bytram, ^
[13:28:36] <cmn32480> only 3500 more and he'll catch you!
[13:28:43] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[13:28:45] * exec disturbingly snatches a lifetime supply of mustache wax from janrinok
[13:31:19] <janrinok> race on!
[13:32:01] <janrinok> just finished back reading
[13:32:31] <cmn32480> that was what? 30? 40 pages?
[13:32:48] <janrinok> on the stories front we are no further advanced than we were at this time yesterday. I was hoping that we would have covered Christmas by the close of today
[13:33:28] <janrinok> ~eds we are at 2hrs spacing now until the New Year
[13:33:28] <exec> editor ping for janrinok (reason: we are at 2hrs spacing now until the new year): janrinok zz_janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 charon GreatOutdoors FatPhil Snow goodie mrpg
[13:34:01] <cmn32480> stupid jobs keep getting in the way
[13:34:17] <janrinok> understood
[13:36:06] <cmn32480> how are the inlaws handling?
[13:37:18] <janrinok> no problem, they've just gone out to do some shopping for an hour or two. They slept well after their long trip to get here (not bad going for a couple of 84 year olds), have unloaded the car, and have now gone out.
[13:37:50] <cmn32480> did they at least say hello and give you a kiss in that time span?
[13:37:55] <Bytram> note to self: correction: *retain* retrieval of parent comment before attempting reply... BUT, if there is a problem with that action, invoke a new SN_API_abort routine
[13:37:58] <Bytram> ok, gtg
[13:38:05] <Bytram> HAVE A GREAT DAY EVERYONE!
[13:38:07] <janrinok> yep - enough for me at any rate :)
[13:38:17] <janrinok> Happy Christmas Bytram
[13:38:18] <Bytram> janrinok: hi! bye! {{{ S }}}
[13:38:24] <Bytram> thanks! and the same to you
[13:38:26] <Bytram> !
[13:38:31] <cmn32480> laters bytram!
[13:39:34] <janrinok> last 3 stories have received no comments whatsoever
[13:40:04] <cmn32480> hmmm
[13:40:07] <cmn32480> phys.org seems to be down
[13:40:22] <cmn32480> or maybe it is jsut depressed for the holidays
[13:40:45] <janrinok> perhaps its parents in law have arrived ....
[13:40:57] <cmn32480> ~rimshot
[13:41:09] <janrinok> fair cop
[13:41:13] * cmn32480 makes a note to write a macro for that
[13:41:46] <janrinok> wouldn't the macro take longer to invoke than the single word you typed?
[13:42:01] <cmn32480> well... tehm being down causes issues for us, as we do link ot it fairly often
[13:42:10] <cmn32480> likely
[13:42:13] <cmn32480> but funnier
[13:42:16] <janrinok> lol
[13:42:20] <cmn32480> kinda lik this:
[13:42:23] <cmn32480> ~buzzkill
[13:42:24] <exec> .kick TheMightyBuzzard
[13:42:37] <janrinok> I can see the benefit in that one
[13:42:58] <cmn32480> that one only really works if I give exec op
[13:43:05] <cmn32480> .op exec
[13:43:05] -!- mode/#editorial [+o exec] by Hephaestus
[13:43:16] <cmn32480> now...
[13:43:20] <cmn32480> ~buzzkill
[13:43:21] <exec> .kick TheMightyBuzzard
[13:43:29] <janrinok> don't wake him up - he will only come on here and complain....
[13:43:32] <janrinok> ... too late
[13:43:33] <cmn32480> Fascinating...
[13:43:41] <cmn32480> .deop exec
[13:43:41] -!- mode/#editorial [-o exec] by Hephaestus
[13:43:48] <cmn32480> it didn't work...
[13:43:53] <cmn32480> now I'm disappointed
[13:44:14] <cmn32480> oh well
[13:44:23] <cmn32480> at least he and arthur are on speaking termas agian
[13:44:38] <janrinok> the sub queue is looking very healthy
[13:44:53] <cmn32480> for a change.. but it'll be slim by Monday
[13:44:58] <cmn32480> but amny thanks to P666
[13:45:14] <janrinok> 38 stories at 12 stories per day, and tomorrow is already completed
[13:48:15] <cmn32480> but even as such.. the next week is gonig to be slow for both subs and comments
[13:49:00] <janrinok> true
[13:49:14] <cmn32480> but, with arthur we ought to be able to fill in the gaps
[13:49:38] <janrinok> but if arthur can find 10% of his normal take that will keep our heads above water
[13:50:12] <cmn32480> trutyh
[13:51:25] <janrinok> BBC have reported that the Berlin terrorist has been shot dead in Milan
[13:51:36] <cmn32480> I heard that on the news this morning
[13:51:58] <cmn32480> also aiprlane hijacking in malta
[13:52:15] <cmn32480> what is this world coming to?
[13:53:06] <janrinok> Malta airport is open again, hijacked ac is 5A-ONB
[13:54:10] <cmn32480> I see the letters.. but I have no idea what they mean
[13:54:41] <janrinok> they identify nationality and airframe - so from that you can find all sorts of info
[13:54:54] <cmn32480> ahhhh
[13:56:11] <janrinok> Afriqiyah Airways flight, which was flying from Sabah to Tripoli
[13:56:49] <cmn32480> two areas that have never in thousands of years known unrest
[13:57:04] <janrinok> lol
[13:57:44] * cmn32480 goes for a coeeff++ refill
[13:58:21] <janrinok> I feed data from aircraft to flightradar24.com and, as a result, I can track aircraft anywhere in the world
[13:58:42] * janrinok goes for a cup of tea then ...
[13:58:45] * cmn32480 feel smuch safer
[14:08:51] <janrinok> I have a RPi running a special program and fitted with a Software Defined Radio on 24hrs/day. It is receiving the data passed from any aircraft within about 200 miles radius of my home and fed to the site I quoted.
[14:09:29] * cmn32480 notes that janrinok does not live near the Fulda gap
[14:09:54] * janrinok notes that he might have done once in the distant past
[14:11:07] <cmn32480> wish I'd seen this one earlier
[14:11:09] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[14:11:11] <exec> └─ 13[Meta] Gift Idea for Soylent's Editors: SoylentNews Submission
[14:11:45] <janrinok> I saw it but the queue was already looking very healthy - thought it might be handy to push it out early next week
[14:11:55] <cmn32480> ahhh
[14:11:58] <cmn32480> good call
[14:12:01] <janrinok> but feel free to let it go now if you think it will help
[14:12:36] <cmn32480> I was thinking of putting it out as the next thing in the pile and moving whatever is there to the end of the line
[14:13:25] <janrinok> fine - go for it
[14:16:49] <cmn32480> ~time UTC
[14:16:51] <exec> Friday, 23 December 2016 @ 2:16 pm UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[14:18:28] <cmn32480> can you give it a 2nd in a second?
[14:18:43] <janrinok> are you going to change the title to remove the [meta] or shall I do it?
[14:19:05] <cmn32480> done
[14:19:20] <cmn32480> I'm out of it
[14:20:00] <janrinok> 2nd'ed
[14:20:55] <cmn32480> much obliged, good sir
[14:22:07] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[14:22:09] <exec> └─ 13Error
[14:22:28] <cmn32480> bah
[14:22:36] <cmn32480> #smake exec for ruining my joke
[14:22:36] * MrPlow smakes exec for ruining my joke upside the head with a water balloon
[14:23:23] <janrinok> ???
[14:25:41] <cmn32480> the article is that artifical leaves are being used top produce drugs
[14:25:53] <cmn32480> from the cannabis-does-that-naturally dept.
[14:26:03] <janrinok> ah OK
[14:31:36] <janrinok> I see aristarchus has made another sub - much better than previous offerings - but I'm passing on it for now :)
[14:33:53] <cmn32480> checking
[14:35:22] <cmn32480> well.. that is far less rediculous...
[14:35:33] * cmn32480 passes FTM
[14:35:43] <janrinok> at least we could work with it
[14:36:05] <cmn32480> reasonable on the first sub is a step in the right direction for him.
[14:55:00] <cmn32480> vim creator article - from the interview-was-done-via-emacs dept.
[14:55:28] <janrinok> lol
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[15:17:03] <Fnord666_> janrinok: I added an update to the uber self driving car story. Please review what I did there.
[15:17:15] <cmn32480> vim creator article - from the interview-was-done-via-emacs dept.
[15:17:21] <cmn32480> Fnord666_, ^^
[15:17:35] <Fnord666_> Nice!
[15:18:17] <cmn32480> your story... your call on changign the dept line
[15:19:01] <Fnord666_> Could start a holy war
[15:19:34] <cmn32480> in Stallman's name we pray...
[15:21:54] <cmn32480> and exec adn Arthur are getting along again for the moment
[15:21:58] <cmn32480> so that is a plus too
[15:22:26] <Fnord666_> Woot!
[15:26:39] <Fnord666_> I must leave for now. I'll be back this eve. Just wanted to mention the update I added to the Uber story so someone could look at it and update if needed
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[17:34:48] -!- mode/#editorial [+v nick] by Hephaestus
[18:17:04] * nick burps
[18:21:56] <cmn32480> too much taco bell?
[18:24:39] <nick> if only
[18:25:12] <nick> although i did try some of their 'diablo' sauce yesterday, that's some good stuff
[18:25:35] <cmn32480> heheh
[18:25:41] <cmn32480> yes, I'd agree wiht that
[18:26:22] <nick> i had the sachets left from when i got my steakhouse burrito
[18:27:59] <cmn32480> yeah.. we have a mish mash of that sort of thing in the drawer at the hosue
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[18:33:33] -!- mode/#editorial [+v charon_] by Hephaestus
[18:33:53] <charon_> ~gday #editorial
[18:33:54] * exec seductively pukes an msi package of coffee on #editorial
[18:34:00] <cmn32480> ~gday charon
[18:34:01] * exec derisively derives a freedom sandwich of puns from charon
[18:34:59] <charon_> well i'll be, i did make it to 100
[18:35:27] <cmn32480> HOF is always a day behind
[18:38:13] <janrinok> congrats charon
[18:38:53] <cmn32480> ^^here is a man avoiding his in-laws again
[18:39:00] <janrinok> who, me?
[18:39:20] <janrinok> as if I would do such a thing - they think I'm fixing their computer
[18:39:25] <nick> charon++
[18:39:25] <Bender> karma - charon: 7
[18:39:33] <janrinok> ~gday nick
[18:39:34] * exec analiciously evolves a used franger of procrastination from nick
[18:40:30] <charon_> thank you janrinok.
[18:40:52] <charon_> and i left my nearest competitor in the dust
[18:42:34] <cmn32480> Dopefish?
[18:42:44] <cmn32480> you left him in the dust by 1...
[18:43:07] <nick> i think he meant fnord666
[18:43:29] <cmn32480> that's absurd.
[18:43:45] <cmn32480> I'm lokoing at the list.. Dopefish is next in line behind charon_
[18:44:15] <charon_> yeah, i meant Fnord666
[18:44:24] <cmn32480> again.. absurd.
[18:44:25] <charon_> we started at the same time
[18:44:49] <nick> dopefish hasn't posted a story since april 2014, so that's not 'competition'
[18:46:01] <cmn32480> I frustrate the living crap out of you don't I n1?
[18:46:20] <nick> you'd have to try a lot harder if that's your intention
[18:46:51] <cmn32480> no... just a helthy side effect :-)
[18:46:53] <nick> with 2400+ stories, and your amusing typos... you have a lot of good will from me
[18:47:06] <charon_> typos++
[18:47:06] <Bender> karma - typos: 0
[18:47:09] <cmn32480> good will? oh we can't have taht!
[18:47:20] <charon_> tis the season, mon frere
[18:47:36] <cmn32480> I shall ignore the disparaging comment regarding the quality of my typoing
[18:47:55] <nick> we should probably be nicer to charon now though, since he's now in the territory where others have given up before
[18:48:01] <charon_> lol
[18:48:14] <cmn32480> if we start being nice to him, he'll think we don't love him anymore
[18:48:57] <charon_> wow, i haven't posted a story for the last 2 queue days
[18:49:04] <charon_> i must have given up
[18:49:29] * cmn32480 looks at janrinok and giggles
[18:49:46] <charon_> yeah, janrinok has been hiding out and pushing stories
[18:50:04] <cmn32480> if my inlaws were staying for 10 days I'd be hding too...
[18:50:12] <cmn32480> but I'd be hding in the bar.. not the server room
[18:50:24] <nick> i should be good to cover some stories over the xmas-new year gap
[18:51:00] <nick> don't think i have much going on outside xmas day itself
[18:51:12] <cmn32480> with a little luck, we will stay on top over the next 36 hours or so and be well into next week
[18:51:31] <charon_> i am similar. my bust day will be tomorrow, then nothing
[18:51:48] <charon_> s/t/y/g
[18:51:49] <exec> <charon_> i am similar. my busy day will be yomorrow, yhen noyhing
[18:52:01] <charon_> i love putting the global flag in
[18:52:04] * cmn32480 has NFI what the wife has planned for christmas
[18:52:17] <nick> in the most important news of the day... steam website appears to be down
[18:52:22] <cmn32480> someboody said my motherin law and brother in law are coming to my house at some point...
[18:52:41] <cmn32480> I replied that as I had not been informed of this in a timely manner, that woudl not be possible.
[18:52:45] <charon_> fuck, how will i play hyper light drifter?
[18:52:48] <cmn32480> phys.org too
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[18:53:10] <cmn32480> inlaws caught him...
[18:53:16] <nick> cmn32480, time to hire a doorman and write up the guest list
[18:53:25] <charon_> cover charge?
[18:53:34] <cmn32480> nope.. turn off all the lights and pretend we aren't home
[18:54:58] <nick> thats a cheaper solution, but does leave the door open for a repeat next year
[18:56:41] <cmn32480> hmmm
[18:56:42] <cmn32480> touche
[18:56:47] <cmn32480> and an interesting idea
[18:57:18] <charon_> move without telling anyone before next year?
[18:57:30] <cmn32480> too much capital gains...
[18:57:37] <cmn32480> or I'd lose $$ on the hosue
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[19:05:58] -!- mode/#editorial [+v janrinok] by Hephaestus
[19:06:26] <janrinok> what the hell happened there?
[19:06:37] <cmn32480> we figured the in laws caught you
[19:06:47] <janrinok> funny you should say that ...
[19:08:44] <janrinok> I've just offered a 4 core computer to replace an old pentium machine and my father in law is worried that he will not know how to plug things in when he gets home because 'all the sockets have moved'
[19:10:23] <charon_> offer to walk him through it over the phone
[19:11:48] <janrinok> no, I'll mark up each socket so he can cope before I let the machine out of my sight
[19:14:35] <cmn32480> cololr code them all
[19:14:47] <janrinok> I've or something similar
[19:15:08] <janrinok> delete the 'I've'
[19:17:41] <janrinok> I've just been explaining to him that he can use any of the USB sockets on the rear of his computer, not just the one that he has always used. And that the plugs and sockets on his audio are colour coded. He had never made that connection before.
[19:17:59] <cmn32480> oh dear
[19:18:05] <cmn32480> well.. we closed 15 minutes ago
[19:18:14] <cmn32480> so Ima gonna go home and get my drink on
[19:18:21] <janrinok> good for you
[19:18:27] <cmn32480> ~gnight #editorial
[19:18:28] * exec romantically postulates a data stream of reverb towards #editorial
[19:18:33] <cmn32480> enjoy the inlaws janrinok
[19:18:37] <charon_> enjoy cmn32480
[19:18:39] <janrinok> ~gnight cmn32480
[19:18:41] * exec mistakenly hallucinates a 5¼" floppy disk of allah snackbar with cmn32480
[19:18:45] <cmn32480> and if I don't talk to you, have a very Merry Christmas
[19:18:47] <janrinok> and my best to J and your family too
[19:18:55] <cmn32480> I shall
[19:18:59] <cmn32480> please Give S ahug for me
[19:19:07] <janrinok> will do - have a good one!
[19:19:12] <cmn32480> you too
[19:19:25] <cmn32480> Merry Christmas everybody....
[19:20:04] <janrinok> everybody remained quiet
[19:20:16] <charon_> now i have a machine gun. ho ho ho
[19:23:44] <janrinok> not a very season attitude charon
[19:23:58] <janrinok> seasonal*
[19:26:35] <nick> janrinok, give my seasonal regards to S if you would be so kind
[19:27:27] <charon_> it's perfectly seasonal. Die Hard is the best Christmas movie
[19:27:56] <janrinok> I will do, nick, and all the best to you and yours, even if you are far from home
[19:28:07] <nick> much appreciated
[19:30:33] <charon_> Be well and and enjoy your holiday, janrinok
[19:30:58] <janrinok> charon, thx and the same for you I hope
[19:31:34] * janrinok will probably pop on here every now and then just to make sure things are still working...
[19:32:49] <charon_> i won't screw anything up. can't vouch for cmn32480 though
[19:33:03] <janrinok> nobody can ...
[19:34:46] * nick ponders steam sale things
[19:35:12] <janrinok> there's a sub suggesting that their site is down at the moment
[19:35:38] <nick> its back up now, for me anyway
[19:35:53] <nick> it's the only reason i knew there was a sale because i read the site was down
[19:38:07] <charon_> i got emails last night. looks like everything i had saved in my wishlist is on sale
[19:40:48] <nick> i'm only really considering GTA5 and Arma 3 Apex (DLC)
[19:41:18] <takyon> I read in google news about some GTA V online christmas event
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[19:42:01] <nick> i don't really care for GTAV online, i just want to play story mode in first person view
[19:42:06] <charon_> i enjoyed previous GTA games, but doesn't 5 require their stupid service to be installed?
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[19:42:23] <nick> charon_, not sure, possibly for online
[19:42:35] <takyon> If I had to guess I would say yes
[19:42:45] <takyon> so many games have single player DRM, even beyond Steam
[19:43:34] <charon_> i can live with steam, but not having another service on top of it
[19:43:53] <charon_> or "games for windows live"
[19:44:17] <takyon> THE DRM U TRUST
[19:44:31] <takyon> damn this is some good coffee
[19:44:52] <nick> i'll look it up, i'd rather not extra DRM either
[19:46:36] <nick> apparently it does, you can't play GTA5 offline, even in story mode
[19:47:36] <charon_> takyon: i've never been a coffee drinker. just a taste i never put time into acquiring
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[19:48:57] <nick> i like coffee in desserts, but i don't drink it
[19:54:53] <charon_> i used to live near a brewery that made this really great coffee stout.
[19:56:28] <nick> nice
[19:56:34] <nick> beer and coffee
[19:59:03] <nick> mad max is very cheap on steam sale right now
[19:59:16] <nick> and has recently been ported to linux
[19:59:16] <charon_> yep. even though i don't like coffee, the beer was fabulous
[19:59:36] <takyon> i'll drink the coffee
[20:00:11] <janrinok> takyon, Merry Christmas to you and yours!
[20:00:36] <takyon> I'll drink the coffee to stay alive, janrinok
[20:01:38] <takyon> this might be one of the sketchier stories I've written lately. what do you guys think? https://soylentnews.org
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[20:01:44] <janrinok> I wasn't referring to the coffee - it was simply wishing you all the best for the holiday, but I am also pleased to hear that you plan to stay alive also
[20:02:01] <takyon> you too jan
[20:02:27] <janrinok> thx
[20:02:43] <charon_> nice dr. strangelove reference
[20:03:04] <takyon> one thing I'd like to see is the actual announcement saying that "the propulsion experiment aboard the X-37B was officially announced as a test of a Hall-effect thruster built by Aerojet Rocketdyne"
[20:03:19] <takyon> thanks charon_
[20:03:53] <takyon> it seem'd wholly appropriate. and honestly, if these rumblings are anywhere near accurate we may be watching the story of the decade unfold
[20:04:06] <takyon> I previously said the story of the decade was Google's TPU/machine learning push xD
[20:04:31] <nick> story seems good to me
[20:06:05] <takyon> sure, it seems good, but it could be the start of the apocalypse or a cowboy bebop style catastrophe on earth
[20:06:30] <takyon> hold your loved ones close this christmas eve, cuz we gonna die in 5 years
[20:06:58] <nick> i mean good in the way that it doesn't bullshit about whats been verified
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[20:09:08] <takyon> I know. I jest
[20:09:19] <takyon> I jest can't stop joking around.
[20:10:53] <janrinok> ~gevening mario
[20:11:04] <janrinok> ~gday mario
[20:11:05] * exec $adverb pours an armpit of pleasant hooters for mario
[20:11:09] <mrpg> hi
[20:11:23] <janrinok> how's things?
[20:11:39] <mrpg> fine and dandy, trying hexchat.
[20:11:55] <janrinok> that's what I use - I like it
[20:12:02] <nick> same
[20:12:16] <nick> for all it's cross-platform goodness
[20:12:21] <charon_> takyon: if i were the chinese, or the americans for that matter, i would claim poor/no results and get a jump on the other guy
[20:12:49] <charon_> in no way can we trust the public pronouncements of the gov'ts on this matter
[20:13:12] <nick> by the time it's official from either, they will have had working examples for at least 3 years
[20:15:46] <charon_> hiyo mrpg
[20:16:46] <mrpg> hi charon_
[20:17:55] <takyon> charon_, nick: well if you believe the narrative largely pushed by the International Business Times, you'll find that UK/US/Chinese interest in the EmDrive has gone back maybe over a decade. Certainly the Chinese professor mentioned in one of the articles has been working on replicating thrust since 2008. And that cat's somewhat out of the bag so to speak since multiple teams in multiple countries are working on it and positive results are
[20:17:55] <takyon> close if possible. If more evidence turns up, the NASA budget for testing this could soar from less than a million to hey, a billion+? We might as well divert all F-35 money into EmDrive research, and come out with an F-302.
[20:18:54] <nick> i wouldn't be surprised if they have it now
[20:19:14] <nick> but i agree with charon_ on how they're likely to play it
[20:19:19] <charon_> wellllll, i'd still be surprised if it actually works at all
[20:19:28] <takyon> combine this with some of the compact fusion research from Lockheed Martin and others, and we have a complete space travel revolution on our hands. And even without small scale fusion, there are multimegawatt fission reactors that could be put on a spacecraft
[20:20:03] <nick> charon_, not up on the technicality, but these days i'm pretty open to technological possibilities
[20:20:23] <nick> but would also assume it's capabilities are the same as what you expect from official MPG ratings on a new car
[20:21:53] <takyon> charon_: It won't be long now before we know more. We have the NASA paper, we have China claiming thrust as well. We have a competing similar design, the Cannae drive, which is also slated to be tested in space. And the man behind EmDrive, Roger Shawyer, is talking up a 2.0 version that could be used to counteract 1g gravity. He managed to secure funding from SkyCar, which has actually built a product. So he either has something or has
[20:21:53] <takyon> gotten great at conning.
[20:22:33] <takyon> Although current thrust is being measured in millinewtons, modifications to the design and scaling up of the power supposedly increases the efficiency quite a bit
[20:23:23] <takyon> Even at its worst replicated results, the emdrive could possibly outperform ion engines, thus cutting travel times to Pluto and other places.
[20:23:25] <charon_> i know little on the technical side. but as i understand it, the thrust is so small, a test in orbit would takes weeks to become obvious
[20:24:33] <charon_> i am open to testing it, and it would be amazing if it works. just not going to jump on the bandwagon just yet
[20:25:00] <takyon> well one would hope that they can get to a higher observed thrust before bothering to send it to space. And let's be clear, there should be no reason that it NEEDS to be tested in space. If the thrust is enough, it can be observed just fine in a vacuum on Earth.
[20:25:42] <janrinok> time for me to go - if I don't speak to you beforehand, have a pleasant and above all safe holiday!
[20:25:49] <janrinok> ~gnight eds
[20:25:51] * exec insensitively spews a hugbox of problematic principals on eds
[20:25:54] <charon_> ~gnight janrinok
[20:25:55] * exec proverbially pours a heap of tumbleweeds for janrinok
[20:26:03] <takyon> ~gnight janrinok
[20:26:04] * exec $adverb runs the Installshield Wizard to set up a tube of Subsentient's salty neckbeard for janrinok
[20:26:10] <charon_> eat lots of figgy pudding
[20:26:15] <janrinok> burp
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[20:27:43] <charon_> i would guess the space deployment would be to make sure no one is cheating
[20:30:14] <takyon> it either works or it doesn't. the incentive to cheat is very fleeting. They have an incentive to make it work because it would lower the cost and boost the longevity of satellites at a bare minimum, and revolutionize space travel and flying vehicles at a maximum. Or maybe the maximum is FREE ENERGY, who knows.
[20:33:10] <charon_> https://en.wikipedia.org
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[20:37:54] <takyon> the parties involved in this do not have an incentive to cheat. Lie about getting it to work better than expected, maybe. But not to cheat.
[20:38:36] <takyon> any positive results out there are already acknowledged to be insufficient to confirm that the technology works
[20:40:15] <charon_> i see nothing in the IBT about the 2016 x-37b launch
[20:40:57] <charon_> or any related terms like "hall effect" "emdrive"
[20:42:15] <takyon> that seems like a mistake
[20:42:33] <takyon> what do you mean, you searched their site and couldn't find "emdrive" in any one of them? or you looked at linked article(s)?
[20:42:35] <charon_> no, i take it back. i did find it
[20:42:57] <charon_> i used their search function and got nothing.
[20:42:58] <charon_> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk
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[20:43:12] <charon_> but this i found from a google search
[20:43:51] <takyon> btw you can get around scriptwall by using archive.is or by inspecting the HTML and removing an element that applies the transparent overlay
[20:44:03] <takyon> although I don't see the overlay so I guess disabling certain scripts is enough
[20:44:19] <charon_> noscript for the win
[20:44:44] <takyon> so yeah, according to one of my articles, "IBTimes UK has been informed that the US Air Force is currently testing out a version of the EmDrive" was premature and it is actually a Hall effect thruster that was being tested
[20:44:51] <takyon> which is just another form of ion engine, I believe
[20:45:17] <charon_> yeah. xenon atoms or somesuch
[20:45:38] <takyon> look at me
[20:45:50] <takyon> "IT'S JUST AN ION ENGINE. WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT! HAIL THE FUTURE!"
[20:46:11] <takyon> from the just-an-ion-engine dept.
[20:46:15] <charon_> rofl
[20:46:51] <charon_> someday we're going to want all that xenon we just pissed away on ion propulsion
[20:49:03] <takyon> we'll use emdrive probes to crisscross space and collect back all the xenon earlier probes farted out
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[20:51:22] * nick just bought hitman blood money for about $2
[20:53:19] <charon_> as a parent, i find games that revolve around murder reprehensible. so i play them when my kids aren't around
[20:53:59] <takyon> there is good money in being a hitman. you might want to get your kids used to it now so they can grow up to be more successful than a coder
[20:54:30] <nick> my playing of hitman usually involves accidents rather than murder
[20:55:01] <nick> the 'it was like that when i got here' defence
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[22:43:49] <charon_> i feel dirty. i replied to a troll
[22:57:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> charon, you rang?
[23:04:40] <charon_> ha
[23:04:57] <charon_> unless you are the white supremacist troll i replied to, nah
[23:07:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's hard to tell. i get called both of those all the time.
[23:07:40] <charon_> it was an AC. i figure you would use your name and own your opinions
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[23:10:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. i always sign my smackdowns.
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