#editorial | Logs for 2016-12-21

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[00:19:23] <charon_> cmn32480
[01:03:40] <cmn32480> charon_?
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[01:45:17] <cmn32480> charon_ you rang?
[01:47:32] <cmn32480> wow.. the professor watchlist blew up...
[01:47:38] <cmn32480> 172 comments and counting
[01:49:11] <charon_> oh, you were looking for crutchy for whatever reason. that's i pinged you
[01:49:53] <cmn32480> ahhh
[01:49:54] <cmn32480> got it
[01:50:01] <cmn32480> I sent him a message in #soylent
[01:50:11] <cmn32480> i dunno why I was looking for him though
[01:51:04] <charon_> you were a bit spacey last night
[01:51:36] <charon_> lol
[01:51:37] <cmn32480> I was a bit exhausted...
[01:51:50] <cmn32480> you know how it goes
[01:52:00] <cmn32480> I drempt I was a muffler... and I woke up exhausted
[01:52:48] <charon_> ba dum bum tish
[01:53:01] <cmn32480> yer welcome
[01:53:05] <cmn32480> feel free to borrow that one
[01:53:29] <charon_> oh yes, next time i want my kids to give me that pitying stare
[01:54:32] <cmn32480> my kids are to young to get that joke yet
[01:54:46] <cmn32480> but the wife give me the pitying stare when I say stuff liek that
[01:56:18] <charon_> your oldest is 8? give him about 2-3 years
[01:56:53] <cmn32480> yep
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[03:35:57] <cmn32480> queue is good otu 24hours almost...
[03:36:02] <cmn32480> that's a nice place to be
[03:56:34] * charon takes the week off
[04:01:22] <cmn32480> charon hasn't earned any vacation time yet
[04:02:18] <charon> man, you are harsh taskmasters over here. i knew i should have joined pipedot
[04:03:09] <cmn32480> sure... edit and post 2 stories a week...
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[05:41:44] <mrpg> first post
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[06:02:44] <mrpg> December, one year since Ian Murdock died :-(
[06:04:01] <mrpg> I have a cold. See you later.
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[18:34:05] <janrinok> Fnord666, don't forget to make titles Title Case...
[18:39:23] * cmn32480 assumes that means he forgot to make the title Title Case
[18:39:41] <janrinok> yup
[18:40:36] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[18:40:38] * exec cromulently cracks open an exabyte of database shards for janrinok
[18:41:00] <janrinok> cmn32480, I was telling S about our conversation about boxes, cutting holes, and puddles last night - and she had a good laugh. She asked me to thank you because 1. it brightened her day, and 2. you must be as mad as I am.
[18:41:05] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[18:41:06] * exec sardonically a cat box of 4you are now breathing manually floccinaucinihilipilificates cmn32480
[18:42:11] <cmn32480> I suppose that I should be grateful to be breathing.. even if it is manually
[18:42:32] <cmn32480> Tell her I'm mad at her too
[18:42:43] <janrinok> lol
[18:42:49] <cmn32480> I knocked and she could have had the decency to call you over to point and laugh at least!
[18:43:27] <cmn32480> I mean... sheesh!
[18:43:38] <janrinok> how's your day going - apart from that ...?
[18:43:51] <cmn32480> puddles seem to have dried... so I got that going for me
[18:44:07] <janrinok> I mopped up before going to bed last night
[18:44:31] * cmn32480 appreciates the thoughtfulness
[18:44:49] * janrinok didn't want cmn32480 sleeping on the damp patch
[18:44:58] <cmn32480> had to come home from work to watch the girl
[18:45:09] * cmn32480 hates sleeping in the wet spot
[18:45:29] * cmn32480 goes to get a papertowel to clean the water off his screen
[18:46:52] <cmn32480> thanks... the monitors were getting rather dusty
[18:50:10] <janrinok> anybody seen snow over the last few days?
[18:50:41] <janrinok> and I mean Snow the editor, not snow the meteorological phenomenon
[18:51:12] <cmn32480> yes
[18:51:32] <cmn32480> for both
[18:51:40] <janrinok> charon and Fnord666 are racing towards the 100 mark!
[18:51:58] <janrinok> k - our paths hadn't crossed, just wondering if he was OK
[18:52:05] <cmn32480> Snow isn't gonna be around for a bit
[18:52:25] <janrinok> Yes, I remember him saying now that you mention it
[18:52:28] <cmn32480> he was grumbling some shit about his wife having a baby or some toher useless excuse for not doing the job
[18:52:42] <janrinok> and you were cheering him up - I recall now
[18:53:04] * cmn32480 suggests janrinok start writing thigns down
[18:53:14] <cmn32480> start w/ your name JimBob
[18:53:30] <janrinok> I would, but by the time I find a pen and paper I can't remember what I wanted them for ...
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[18:53:58] <janrinok> ~gday nick, he of doughnut and mountain dew fame
[18:54:00] * exec $adverb deletes a beaker of terrible twos from nick,
[18:54:16] <cmn32480> ~gday nick
[18:54:17] * exec problematically combines a D cup of toecheese with nick
[18:54:31] * nick is currently drinking mtn dew 'throwback'
[18:54:47] <cmn32480> extra caffeine and yellow #5?
[18:54:49] <nick> how is janrinok and cmn32480
[18:55:00] <janrinok> is throwback anything like throw up?
[18:55:15] <nick> dont know about that, although the label does say yellow 5
[18:55:28] <nick> but it apparently has real sugar whereas normal mtn dew does not
[18:55:46] <cmn32480> there was some study years and years ago about yellow #5 lowering your sperm count or somesuch
[18:57:28] <nick> so mtn dew first counts as safe sex?
[18:57:51] <janrinok> yep, anyone seen drinking it is ignored by the girls
[18:58:16] <nick> lol
[18:59:35] <nick> my lunch is seriously lacking in gravy
[18:59:46] <janrinok> that's because it is a salad
[19:00:15] <cmn32480> you don't win friends with salad
[19:00:26] <janrinok> I rest my case, m'lud
[19:00:46] <nick> certainly not a salad, i'm not a rabbit
[19:01:35] <nick> i have leftover pot roast, but no gravy :(
[19:01:52] <janrinok> that's because you drink too much 'dew. cmn32480 did warn you of the effects
[19:02:21] * cmn32480 has never had potroast dunked in Mt. Dew.
[19:02:21] <janrinok> affg
[19:02:25] <janrinok> affects*
[19:03:28] <nick> http://www.steakmarinade.org
[19:03:30] <exec> └─ 13Steak Marinade - Mountain Dew Steak Marinade Recipe
[19:04:45] <janrinok> nick, you'd better get back to the UK quickly, this US thing is going too far now...
[19:04:57] <nick> lol
[19:05:41] <nick> all this unhealthy food tastes too good though
[19:06:10] <janrinok> have you got the american fat ass yet?
[19:06:41] <nick> i would have, if it was not for having to shovel snow
[19:07:05] * janrinok only hopes it is not too late for nick...
[19:07:59] <nick> you don't have to worry, the conversations about health insurance are enough to remind me how unamerican i am.
[19:08:07] <janrinok> lol
[19:10:17] <nick> seriously though, i know how complicated and a pain in the ass it can be as an expat in various places
[19:10:20] <nick> same as yourself i'm sure
[19:10:29] <janrinok> yup
[19:10:36] <nick> but to have those complications and expenses by default in your own country is really disturbing to me
[19:11:03] <nick> makes me very sad hearing about the situations people find themselves in, even with various insurances and such
[19:11:15] <janrinok> although we are fully integrated here now, I only have problems when I return to the UK
[19:11:42] <nick> that's probably going to be more of a thing now too, since in the old days the NHS didn't ask questions
[19:11:59] <nick> now there's a lot of push to make sure only those who are 'entitled' get treatment
[19:12:15] <janrinok> that anyone's first thought is of $$$ when someone's health is at risk I find very disturbing
[19:12:43] <nick> may have mentioned this before... had a conversation with my grandparents about that... they were insistent on people being checked they are entitled to the NHS
[19:12:57] <nick> i asked them how they would prove their entitlement to the services
[19:13:08] <nick> "we've been registered with or doctor for 30 years"
[19:13:23] <nick> my reply was "that only shows that you could have been cheating the NHS for 30 years"
[19:13:25] <janrinok> we are a special case, because I receive a UK pension etc but I no longer pay NI payments
[19:13:59] <nick> they don't have any acceptable forms of ID to 'prove' their residence/entitlements ... no photo ID
[19:14:27] <nick> but "something must be done, i read in the daily mail about this woman from nigeria...." blah blah blah
[19:14:29] <janrinok> but as you say, for others, it must be quite disturbing. I assume that your parents have a National Insurance number?
[19:14:50] <nick> yeah, my parents have NI numbers and are UK tax payers
[19:15:01] <janrinok> well, they have no problems then
[19:15:03] <nick> my dad spend enough time in the UK to still be entitled anyway
[19:15:23] <nick> but the strict rules if applied are like if you spend 6 months out of the UK
[19:15:23] <janrinok> the first check is for a valid NI number
[19:15:33] <nick> you are no longer entitled to NHS
[19:15:50] <janrinok> true, because officially you are domiciled somewhere else
[19:15:50] <nick> then you have to spend a year or two back in the UK before you're eligible again
[19:16:12] <nick> you can still be a UK resident and taxpayer
[19:16:30] <nick> it's not enforced, but as it's written, it would apply to people who travel for business, backpackers on gap years etc
[19:16:54] <cmn32480> see... we have it easier in the US
[19:17:06] <cmn32480> we're screwed from the get go and know it
[19:17:08] <nick> i'm pretty sure you're supposed to inform the NHS of any time you're spending outside the UK.
[19:17:16] <janrinok> there are so many variations I can fully understand hospitals not wanting to get involved
[19:17:54] <nick> as i tried to explain to the grandparents, the enforcement of the ID checks would cost more than the few people who get treatment that are not technically entitled
[19:18:39] <janrinok> then the hospitals would want more money, and the govt would say 'no', and we will all be worse off
[19:19:31] <nick> it's such a minor thing, the system will be abused, but i'd rather that than people get shut out because they don't have the correct papers or payment methods
[19:19:32] <janrinok> but I can see and understand the objection to people coming to the UK just to get 'free' medical treatment for something that they would have to pay for back home
[19:20:14] <nick> yeah, i'm not supporting that at all, but i'd rather that situation than what happens in most of the world
[19:20:34] <nick> like even with relevant insurance and ID, when my dad had a bad accident in the caribbean
[19:20:35] <janrinok> oh, so would I
[19:20:41] <nick> first thing the hospital wanted was a credit card swipe
[19:20:54] <nick> then they could look at treating him
[19:21:39] <janrinok> but the costs of medical treatment in the US are obscene, IMHO
[19:21:44] <cmn32480> sounds liek the US... but they will generlly stop the bleeding before they lift your wallet
[19:22:49] <nick> which is fine for the economically capable among us, as a 'rich white man' with insurances and credit cards, i can deal with it... but the majority of people do not have those luxuries and don't have the money to even consider paying now and dealing with claiming back later
[19:23:43] <cmn32480> I rather agree
[19:23:58] <cmn32480> in the end, the only real solution is single payer
[19:24:01] <nick> i know several people here with tens of thousands in medical debt from relatively minor injuries that happened as a result of their working conditions
[19:24:17] <cmn32480> problem is that the gov't is so shitty here at running everythign, that it'll be a worse disaster
[19:24:23] <janrinok> cmn32480, what does 'single payer' actually mean?
[19:24:44] <nick> janrinok, single payer is the way they describe an NHS type system
[19:24:53] <cmn32480> it means tht we pay extra taxes, adn the gov't handles the payment to the healthcare providers
[19:24:57] <cmn32480> similar to NHS
[19:25:14] <janrinok> ah, k
[19:25:21] <nick> this is what annoys me about how obamacare was reported on in the UK... it was explained like the US was getting something similar to the NHS
[19:25:30] <cmn32480> janrinok s/ah,/O/
[19:25:31] <exec> <cmn32480> <janrinok> O k
[19:25:45] <cmn32480> fuck no
[19:25:49] <nick> so you wont find anyone in the UK with a negative opinion on obamacare, because it has to be an improvement... which for a small group of people i think it was.
[19:25:58] <nick> but in general it's made a fucked up situation more fucked up
[19:26:04] <nick> but you wont hear shit about that in the UK press
[19:26:05] <cmn32480> Obamacare is far worse than what we had, and also far worse than single payer
[19:26:17] <nick> just how obama tried ever so hard to give the US an NHS of their own
[19:26:25] <nick> even though 'single payer' was never even talked about
[19:26:43] <cmn32480> it WAS talked about.. adn the goerning party did not have the balls to pass it
[19:27:06] <nick> i mean talked about in a legislative sense, there was nothing officially put forward
[19:27:11] <cmn32480> because it woudl have been a problem for the very large adn influential insurance companies
[19:27:13] <nick> just hot air about hope and change
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[19:27:36] <cmn32480> the only hope I have left is that I will have some change left in my pocket after this is all said and done
[19:27:56] <charon_> chirstmas shopping?
[19:28:26] <janrinok> ~gday charon - should be celebrating 100 stories by the weekend?
[19:28:27] * exec scientifically penetrates a BTRFS subvolume of 🖕 with charon
[19:28:58] <nick> health insurance is one hell of a christmas gift
[19:29:30] <charon_> probably. as long as i get there before fnord
[19:29:54] <charon_> ~gday janrinok
[19:29:55] * exec romantically embiggens a shaken bottle of surprise buttsex with janrinok
[19:30:16] <nick> you two have been doing great work on getting those stories through
[19:30:21] <janrinok> I hope you don't mind if I decline the bottle of buttsex
[19:30:33] <charon_> no offense taken. i would decline too
[19:31:06] <charon_> thank you nick, i appreciate some praise after the non stop abuse cmn heaps on me
[19:31:20] <cmn32480> ~gday charon_
[19:31:21] * exec prematurely sodomizes a ramdisk of jesus juice with charon_
[19:31:27] <charon_> see?
[19:31:52] * cmn32480 puts forth a motion to cut the editorial salary of the FNG in question
[19:32:22] <janrinok> I say "Aye!"
[19:32:43] <cmn32480> EiC has spoken... we cut your salary by ....
[19:32:45] <charon_> hrmph
[19:32:46] <cmn32480> 3 internets
[19:32:56] <janrinok> I bid 4 internets!
[19:32:56] <nick> 20% cut but then with 10% stacking performance bonus incentives
[19:33:24] <cmn32480> I'll see your 4 internets adn rais you a car charger
[19:33:25] <janrinok> 'stacking performance bonus incentives' - what the fuck does that mean?
[19:33:41] <nick> means it sounds like eventually you'll recover that 20%
[19:33:44] <cmn32480> ~define stacking performance bonus incentives
[19:33:45] <exec> stacking performance bonus incentives: unable to find definition
[19:33:47] <charon_> let's see... 0 - (4 x 0) =... carry the zero... = 0!
[19:33:57] <janrinok> you get back home to britain immediately, do you hear, nick!
[19:34:20] <cmn32480> Nick is going American! HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
[19:34:25] <nick> maybe i should do some management seminars or something whilst i'm here
[19:34:33] <nick> really get that american business style down
[19:34:42] <cmn32480> pretty soon he'll be wearing a tricorn hat and whistling "Yankee Doodle"
[19:34:44] <charon_> follow the american dream: move to hollywood and become a waiter
[19:34:50] <janrinok> if you are not careful we will revoke his passport, and you will then be stuck with him!
[19:34:59] <cmn32480> dont you threaten me!
[19:35:22] <nick> good one, charon_
[19:35:36] <cmn32480> and who is this "we"??? you got a mouse in your pocket?
[19:35:53] <cmn32480> and speaking of "we" you don't even live there anymore!
[19:36:05] <charon_> but he knows people
[19:36:14] <nick> janrinok is really the proprietor of the Daily Mail
[19:36:32] <cmn32480> way to blow his secret identity
[19:36:46] <nick> that's his own fault, he threatened to revoke my passport
[19:37:04] * charon_ sends an exclusive story to the Mirror
[19:37:10] <janrinok> you started it -stacking performance bonus incentives indeed
[19:37:23] <nick> lol
[19:37:46] <nick> you're editor-in-chief, you're supposed to understand these management terms ;)
[19:38:26] * janrinok storms off to make a cup of tea
[19:39:00] <charon_> i know i'll catch hell for asking such a dumb question... is there really a difference between brands of tea?
[19:39:03] <cmn32480> stacked performance bonus incentives... sounds like a stripper with big whohas that gets paid extra for letting you touch the naughty bits in the champagne room
[19:39:13] <nick> charon_, is there really a difference between pepsi and coke?
[19:39:33] <cmn32480> charon_ - YES. Distinct and massive
[19:39:42] <cmn32480> I'm an American and I know that
[19:40:00] <nick> is there really a difference between your favourite coffee brand and the others?
[19:40:50] <cmn32480> charon_ - think the difference between Starbucks coffee and Dunkin Donuts
[19:40:59] <nick> i don't really drink tea, i'm not one for brand loyalty, but i do prefer Tetley
[19:41:14] <nick> and dunkin donuts and gas station coffee
[19:41:23] <cmn32480> there are many dozen varieties of tea.
[19:41:47] <nick> 'breakfast' tea is the general standard in the UK
[19:41:59] <cmn32480> these guys are one of my customers.. tehy sell MANY MANY kinds
[19:42:02] <cmn32480> svtea.com
[19:42:09] <cmn32480> www.svtea.com
[19:42:20] <cmn32480> #smake exec
[19:42:20] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with meatspin
[19:42:28] <cmn32480> http://www.svtea.com
[19:42:30] <exec> └─ 13Simpson & Vail High Quality, Specialty Teas since 1929
[19:42:32] * nick just learned Tetley is owned by Tata
[19:43:48] * janrinok returns with a cup of Tetley's tea - milk no sugar. All is well with the world, or at least his little bit of it
[19:43:57] <nick> you can now buy your british tea, steel and jaguar-land rover all from an Indian multinational
[19:44:22] <janrinok> well, tetley's tea is actually grown in, you guessed it, India
[19:44:31] <nick> well yeah, of course
[19:44:45] <charon_> huh, i had no idea. i assumed the leaves are all the same
[19:44:47] <cmn32480> is tetly vs lipton like Folger vs Maxwell House?
[19:44:51] <nick> but the company itself is now also owned by India
[19:44:54] * janrinok is thinking of employing his own char wallah
[19:45:02] <nick> Indians even, pretty sure Tata is not state-owned.
[19:45:26] <nick> unlike the vast amounts of infrastructure in the UK owned by Qatari state-owned companies.
[19:45:28] <janrinok> lipton is NOT tea, but a very poor substitute for the real nectar of the Gods
[19:45:46] <nick> janrinok, is correct
[19:45:57] <charon_> mmm, nestea
[19:46:21] <janrinok> we may no longer have an Empire - but we stole all the best ideas that those countries had
[19:46:27] <cmn32480> noted. I shall share this with my mohter on Christmas and tell her that she has been completly incorrect for many years based on the opinon of 2 brits that I know but have never met
[19:46:33] <charon_> lol
[19:46:49] <janrinok> that should be enough for anyone!
[19:46:58] <charon_> i'm convinced
[19:47:24] <cmn32480> s/brits/cranky curmudgeonly brits/
[19:47:25] <exec> <cmn32480> noted. I shall share this with my mohter on Christmas and tell her that she has been completly incorrect for many years based on the opinon of 2 cranky curmudgeonly brits that I know but have never met
[19:47:44] <cmn32480> as an editor.. we ought to strive for accuracy
[19:47:51] <chromas> Lipton is tea. Hersheys is chocolate. Imperial units is best units.
[19:47:58] <nick> janrinok, in our independent ways, we're still keeping that empire alive by colonizing little corners of other places ;)
[19:48:22] <janrinok> you keep doing your bit in the US then, just don't fall into their wicked ways
[19:48:28] <cmn32480> HER HER CHromas!! To the Queen!
[19:48:35] * nick was tempted to buy an US flag at walmart to go with the I <3 NY hat i was tempted to buy at the airport
[19:48:38] <charon_> i will join your colony of n1istan
[19:50:03] <nick> not sure that's the best name to go with, countries named like that have a history of strained diplomatic relations and instability#
[19:50:26] <cmn32480> and being placed in rather rough parts of the globe
[19:50:36] <nick> british overseas territory of n1
[19:50:44] <janrinok> I LIKE IT!
[19:50:44] * cmn32480 is waiting for n1 to buy sealand
[19:51:06] <nick> has anything happened with sealand recently i wonder
[19:51:20] <cmn32480> nothign that I have seen since the king died
[19:51:33] <janrinok> declare a n1-national boundary of 12 nm, and demand customs rights for anyone wishing to enter your space
[19:51:58] * nick looks at a map
[19:52:00] <charon_> sealand had a king?
[19:52:05] <nick> this 'south china sea' area looks promising...
[19:52:12] <charon_> i thought it was anarchy on boats?
[19:52:26] <nick> https://en.wikipedia.org
[19:52:28] <exec> └─ 13Principality of Sealand - Wikipedia
[19:52:30] <janrinok> I shall declare the same space around myself when I visit Leclerc's supermarket tomorrow
[19:52:45] <cmn32480> http://www.sealandgov.org
[19:52:46] <exec> └─ 13The Principality of Sealand - Become a Lord, Lady, Baron or Baroness
[19:53:20] <charon_> current regent doesn't even live there
[19:53:55] <nick> and the previous asking price is rather steep
[19:54:17] <cmn32480> gov't ripe for overthrow
[19:55:19] <charon_> i dunno, the real estate it owns is kind of revolting
[19:58:10] <janrinok> nearly time to go
[20:00:44] <janrinok> I wish you all a very pleasant afternoon and evening. I shall probably see you all tomorrow, because I can think of nothing better to do. Except perhaps because my parents in law arrive tomorrow evening....
[20:01:14] <cmn32480> you saying that your inlaws are prefeable to us?
[20:01:22] <cmn32480> think carefully
[20:01:22] <charon_> i think he is
[20:01:31] <cmn32480> we have a quorum to cut your editoiral pay too!
[20:01:46] <janrinok> no, but they will be here and it will be hard for me to hide for the next 10 days or so
[20:01:47] <charon_> oh, do i get to vote this time?
[20:02:00] <cmn32480> sleep in the server room
[20:02:01] <janrinok> I donate it all to charity
[20:02:23] <cmn32480> tehn we shal double the bonus you recieved upon promotion
[20:02:26] <janrinok> the World Wildlife Save a Bat campaign
[20:02:32] <cmn32480> you shall now get double the abuse
[20:02:34] <janrinok> too kind
[20:02:36] <cmn32480> double the harrassment
[20:02:42] <janrinok> no change in real terms then
[20:02:42] <cmn32480> and double the entendre
[20:03:19] <janrinok> ~gnight editors!
[20:03:21] * exec brazenly poops a raid 10 volume of white privilege for editors!
[20:03:35] <cmn32480> ~gnight janrinok
[20:03:36] * exec faithfully shoves a pitcher of gold coins in janrinok
[20:03:38] <charon_> ~gnight janrinok take care
[20:03:39] * exec democratically writes a fanfic featuring a dire ear of BEER-brand beer about janrinok
[20:03:54] <cmn32480> gold an beer...
[20:03:59] <cmn32480> he'll survive the next 10 days
[20:04:11] <janrinok> as long as I am not found ...
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[20:04:24] <cmn32480> I'll put food in through the air holes in your box
[20:05:44] <charon_> 10 days with the in-laws... poor guy
[20:06:32] <cmn32480> nah from what he's said previously they are pretty decent people
[20:06:47] <cmn32480> mine? they'd be dead by day 3
[20:06:53] <cmn32480> my wife woudl have killed them
[20:10:03] <charon_> hah
[20:10:36] <charon_> i'm that way with my own family. only one of my brothers could i stand for longer than a day or so
[20:20:53] <nick> heh
[20:21:02] <nick> sounds like charon_ is excited for xmas
[20:24:31] <charon_> i'm going to spend christmas eve with my kids, then my ex is taking them to her mother's for a few days
[20:25:46] <charon_> my mom and brothers are far away, so i won't be seeing them at all
[20:26:32] <nick> so you are actually excited then?
[20:26:54] <charon_> yes
[20:27:40] <charon_> lots of cooking
[20:29:28] <charon_> nick: do you have actual plans for xmas day? a real dinner?
[20:30:23] <nick> yeah, that's part of the reason i'm here, was invited to spend the holidays with friends... so it's going to be with their family
[20:32:22] <charon_> very good. it can be nice to have a bunch of people about. on occasion, anyway
[20:33:26] <nick> my xmas is usually uneventful, my family is quite dull
[20:33:39] <nick> so this could be interesting
[20:36:00] <charon_> i hope it doesn't turn into a reality show with shouting and flinging. that kind of interesting is no good
[20:36:22] <cmn32480> spoken like a man who has been there
[20:39:10] * nick eats chips ahoy smores
[20:39:19] <charon_> hah. not quite. but i spent xmas with a friends family once where it became obvious after a while that everyone was trying to keep the little kids away from grandpa. my friend later explained why. unfortunately, it's what you would guess
[20:39:47] <cmn32480> gramps had a pedo-van, huh?
[20:39:56] <charon_> yep
[20:40:15] <charon_> open secret in the family, but no one ever reported it
[20:40:25] <cmn32480> kinda surprising he wasn't shunned by the family
[20:40:55] <charon_> agreed, but the victims just kept quiet but made sure their own kids were not near him
[20:41:17] <cmn32480> wow
[20:41:46] <charon_> every family is fucked up. most not that bad though
[20:41:55] <cmn32480> truth
[20:44:02] <nick> cmn32480, happens all too often with all sorts of sexual abuse
[20:44:26] <nick> all sorts of psychological and cultural bullshit that keeps people quiet#
[20:44:43] * cmn32480 doesn't know a lot (or even a little ) about that topic
[20:45:17] <nick> nothing has affected me personally, but i've heard stories from people who have been
[20:45:31] <nick> and then there's the more public things that have come out in the last few years
[20:45:57] <nick> https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:45:58] <exec> └─ 13United Kingdom football sexual abuse scandal - Wikipedia
[20:46:00] <nick> the most recent
[20:48:34] <cmn32480> this is why I doeal only with the machiens whenever possible
[20:48:46] <cmn32480> people (present company excluded) are scum
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[20:49:33] <charon_> i'm pretty introverted myself. can socialize but generally it's too much effort
[20:49:38] <charon_> hiyo mrpg
[20:50:03] <cmn32480> ~gday mrpg
[20:50:05] * exec disturbingly throws a tumblr of terrorism at mrpg
[20:50:15] <nick> disturbing indeed
[20:52:43] <mrpg> hello, good day.
[20:53:26] <charon_> how are you this fine evening?
[20:54:58] <mrpg> It's 5 pm here :-) I have a cold, so sneezing and coughing, but I feel better today.
[20:58:42] * charon_ sends mrpg a box of tissues and some chicken soup
[20:59:26] <mrpg> Thank you, and warm lemonade please.
[21:02:50] <charon_> heheh
[21:03:00] * charon_ sends warm lemonade too
[21:03:29] * cmn32480 sends vodka to put in the lemonade
[21:04:12] <cmn32480> the alcohol is anti-bacterial.. I swear
[21:05:45] <mrpg> ok, I'll drink the smirnoff for this time but I don't drink alcohol.
[21:06:45] <cmn32480> have an extra in case it is a virus
[21:08:05] <mrpg> will do
[21:10:41] <charon_> by gum, tonight i will go see that movie that people are enjoying
[21:11:27] <cmn32480> Tinkerbell
[21:12:17] <charon_> yeah, got a problem?
[21:16:09] <cmn32480> nope... I'll send my daughter to meet you there
[21:22:13] <charon_> psssh, this tinkerbell movie is for grownups
[21:23:06] * cmn32480 dind't realize that charon_ was going to THAT kind of theater
[21:23:40] <charon_> i did say people were enjoying it
[21:23:45] * charon_ coughs
[21:23:51] <nick> hah
[21:39:39] <charon_> for serious though. the movie in question is Rogue One
[21:40:45] <nick> the new star trek movie?
[21:42:29] <cmn32480> no
[21:42:37] <cmn32480> it was Super Friends
[21:43:01] <cmn32480> charon_, isolizes Aquaman
[21:45:06] <nick> set to be aquamans breakout movie where he surpasses the cool factor of batman, xmen and such?
[21:46:14] <cmn32480> I think he only had to surpass the cool factor of My little Pony
[21:48:09] <charon_> aqua man could be cool.
[21:48:22] <charon_> and it's star wars, you dopes
[21:48:56] <cmn32480> aquaman could be cool... if playing him wasn't career suicide
[21:49:38] <charon_> jason momoa is already on the Game of Thrones gravy train for life
[21:50:12] <mrpg> These talks about aquaman are making me thirsty. And the pretzels too. Bye guys.
[21:50:42] <cmn32480> ~gnight mrpg
[21:50:43] * exec defiantly twerks a dogbox of null terminators for mrpg
[21:51:00] <charon_> cheers, mrpg
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[21:51:24] <charon_> i wonder if we baffle him. he doesn't talk much
[21:52:53] <cmn32480> also not a native English speaker
[21:53:07] <cmn32480> so he prolly doesnt' wanna put my typing and English to shame
[21:53:53] <cmn32480> baib... I need to walk around a bit
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[22:14:48] <Deucalion> ~tell
[22:14:49] <exec> syntax: ~tell <nick> <message>
[22:15:38] <Deucalion> ~tell janrinok mrpg has his irc hostmask now. Ask them to join the other place and speak to audioguy or mechj regards the email setup
[22:18:28] <charon_> hiyo Deucalion, how's tricks?
[22:19:18] <Deucalion> alright thanks. busy with work in the run up to xmas so not been on for a few days
[22:19:24] <Deucalion> how's things with you?
[22:20:16] <charon_> not bad. working mostly, though not too many customers
[22:20:32] <charon_> this is the slack time of my retail year
[22:21:46] <Deucalion> specialise in selling sun block and bikinis? :D
[22:22:32] <charon_> rental of machinery. not much call for lawn aerators. but i still get people who want carpet cleaners and wood sanders
[22:24:39] <Deucalion> cleaners to make the place look pristine to impress the visiting relatives... and wood sanders, ummm.... ahhh... to have a project to complete over the holiday as an excuse to get away from the drivel on tv :D
[22:25:14] <charon_> that's about right
[22:26:00] <charon_> just before thanksgiving every year we rent the carpet cleaners constantly. can't keep them in stock
[22:27:59] <Deucalion> If floor sanders are flying out the door I'd imagine wallpaper steamers probably would too..... same kind of distraction side project
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[22:29:04] <charon_> not so much. i think a lot of people don't know they exist
[22:29:19] <charon_> i didn't before i got this job
[22:29:30] <charon_> wb nick
[22:29:41] <nick> what are we talking about here
[22:29:43] <nick> ty
[22:29:51] <charon_> wallpaper steamers
[22:30:06] <nick> ah
[22:30:19] * nick sadly knows all too well about them
[22:31:09] <charon_> sounds like a tale of woe and suffering
[22:31:52] <nick> the last time was, it ended up being easier to scrape the plaster off the walls than scrape the wallpaper, even with the aid of a steamer
[22:34:04] <charon_> might as well just paint over it at that point
[22:34:50] <nick> the more concerning thing was how easily the plaster came off
[22:35:09] <nick> the paper was holding the plaster on
[22:35:40] <charon_> lol
[22:35:51] <nick> was part of a $$$,$$$ apartment refurbishment
[22:35:52] <Deucalion> yup some paper is a cow to get off, end up having to score it with a stanley knife to get the steam to penetrate. As you say, easier to hack off the skim layer and get a spread in to re0skim it if you value your time and sanity
[22:36:45] <nick> Deucalion, was a basement apartment in an old london town house so the plaster was several decades older than me
[22:37:10] <Deucalion> was it lathe and plaster?
[22:37:44] <charon_> hooray for 3 coat plaster
[22:37:53] <nick> the walls were all brick, but the ceiling was lathe and plaster
[22:38:17] <charon_> hmm, over brick i guess you'd only have 2
[22:38:17] <nick> that was a lot of fun to rip down, a hundred years of dirt and dust ontop of the lathe and plaster
[22:38:49] <nick> but the people in the apartment above doing their work out helped to loosen it as we were pulling it down
[22:39:54] <charon_> give them a box of dust as a token of your esteem
[22:41:47] <Deucalion> did you rip out the lathes and replace with plasterboard or try to retain the lathes?
[22:42:40] <nick> ripped out the lathes and the hundreds and hundreds of nails holding them up, rewired the whole place, insulated
[22:42:44] <nick> then double fireboard
[22:42:57] <charon_> does anyone even do 3 coat anymore? why bother keeping the lath?
[22:43:42] <charon_> color me suprised that you two even knew about it
[22:43:54] <nick> i leave the art of plastering to the professionals
[22:44:03] <nick> usually cocaine fuelled professionals
[22:44:08] <charon_> heh
[22:44:35] <charon_> i know how to do it, but keeping the skimcoat flat is a bitch. can't do that myself
[22:44:47] <nick> indeed
[22:44:52] <Deucalion> spreads works so fast it's insane.... fascinating to watch... work so fast and it comes out perfectly smooth and neat... tried it myself once, never again :D
[22:45:19] <nick> doing one wall is ok, but if you're doing a whole apartment or house to a certain standard
[22:45:34] <nick> it's easier to get the pros who can do the whole place in a day or so, and everything is perfect
[22:45:34] <Deucalion> My arm nearly fell off after about 10 minutes and the result was gash
[22:46:29] <nick> plastering is about the only thing i wont do myself
[22:47:05] <nick> charon_, to be fair... i'm surprised americans know anything about plastering
[22:47:17] <nick> i thought all you people did was tape and jointing
[22:49:59] <Deucalion> tiling is my other bugbear. Give me copper pipework and wiring any day
[22:52:02] <charon_> most people do drywall. i used to be a plasterer, but i did ornamental work not flat work
[22:56:29] <nick> that seems to be what plasterers do in the US, ornamental stuff... in the UK any time some drywall is put up, it will be plastered
[22:57:20] <charon_> you mean you put a full skimcoat over drywall? interesting
[22:57:29] <nick> yup
[22:58:43] <charon_> there are outfits that do flatwork, but mainly in big cities. very few places even do ornament anymore.
[22:59:14] <nick> i had a friend in the US that worked for a plastering company, they mainly did commercial work and churches
[22:59:20] <Deucalion> had the balconies and exterior walls on my block re-rendered about a year ago - typical super crisp, flat white deal. Looked OK for a while. Seems the metal formwork they used for the sharp corners was sub par and now we have rusty water marks all over the place :(
[23:00:17] <nick> charon_, in uruguay there's some billboards around advertising drywall "the solution to all your moisture problems"
[23:00:26] <nick> or something very close to that
[23:00:49] <nick> Deucalion, that's no fun :(
[23:01:31] <Deucalion> shit's going legal to get it remedied. Cost a small fortune.
[23:01:59] <nick> no help when you called them up to say it had all gone to shit?
[23:02:16] <Deucalion> the delicate sound of silence
[23:02:42] <Deucalion> no doubt the company will dissolve when pushed on the matter only to reform under a different name :/
[23:03:43] <Deucalion> c'est la vie, least of my issues right now really so not really giving it as much attention as I should
[23:07:44] <nick> :(
[23:08:21] <nick> in general ive just given up on any expectation from contractors
[23:08:59] <nick> being one myself i understand the pressures and constraints, but also just frustrated with people not wanting to get out of bed for less than £1000 a day
[23:15:03] <charon_> i see contractors all day long. i have enough experience that i can usually tell who's a bullshitter and who's not. your average homeowner would not
[23:15:34] <Deucalion> umm.... what do you need doing nick? I get out of bed for less than £1000 a day!
[23:16:08] <nick> oh indeed, i think it depends where you are of course.... but where i was in London, you can't get skilled people for a couple of days without them wanting to clear £1000 a day profit
[23:16:16] <nick> labour/profit
[23:16:21] <Deucalion> you talking building trades?
[23:16:49] <nick> i needed an electrician who had some very basic experience with security systems
[23:17:41] <nick> the best people are 'i could maybe find a day for you in a few months' or have better offers from foreign billionaires doing penthouses
[23:17:42] <Deucalion> electrician's don't clear £1000/day in profit :/ DO they?? If they do.... well hell, I'm re-training :
[23:18:04] <nick> indeed they do not
[23:18:28] <nick> but as doing it as trade-to-trade, here's half a days work, couple of things to wire, a few buttons to press...
[23:18:43] <nick> it was just not worth it for the £300 i had budgeted for the 4 horus
[23:18:44] <nick> hours
[23:19:18] <Deucalion> Ahh I see your problem... "a couple of days".... I'm sure if you were a large / multi property owner offering regular work or a retainer the prices would tumble. That self-employed thing about regular income I suppose
[23:19:22] <nick> they're too busy with multi-million penthouse projects with people they can screw forever with extras
[23:20:00] <nick> its the sort of thing, being an honest idiot, if someone asked me to do, i'd do it for £150
[23:20:09] <nick> so thats why i thought £300 and it should be easy
[23:20:11] <charon_> then you're stuck with the "handyman" who says "no job too small" on his truck
[23:20:19] <nick> i didn't even get a call back from several people
[23:21:14] <Deucalion> London and SE particularly - it's the investment buyers sucking every little thing up to rent out. They really do not care as they know the property value is going to double over 5 - 10 years as we're still building fuck all housing in the SE.
[23:21:20] <nick> Deucalion, even then, i did have some work in that vein, larger projects in the $$,$$$ range, but that's me pricing it in that range, they'd have added another $
[23:21:53] <nick> because if you do make that £1000 or close on your days, when you include margin on some materials
[23:22:12] <Deucalion> And property is the ~only~ investment in the UK to give a return so ~every~ investor is dumping cash into property
[23:22:15] <nick> you can then afford to fuck hookers in thailand for a few months of the year, whilst still keeping the wife at home happy with new things
[23:22:47] * charon_ takes notes
[23:22:48] <Deucalion> until you come back and spread the diseases around I guess :/
[23:22:58] <nick> not in that specific detail, but that's how most of the really good trades work in London, at least the ones that i know
[23:23:12] <nick> they do a month on, working all hours for big money
[23:23:21] <nick> then a month living the good life on a beach somewhere
[23:25:19] <charon_> nick: i take it you're not on your tahiti month?
[23:25:52] <nick> and i understand how it works, a good friend of mine did the same thing, was cheaper to extend his thailand vacations than come home before the next job was due to start
[23:26:32] <nick> i was considering doing something like that, but i ended up freezing my ass off in the US instead
[23:27:42] <Deucalion> sounds like that plan didn't go as expected
[23:28:40] <nick> worked out good though, nice to be with people i know in a tourist-free zone
[23:29:08] <nick> rather than being a target for all the vices that somewhere like thailand has to offer and ending up hanging out with randoms met in bars
[23:32:31] <Deucalion> yup, always good to get off the beaten tourist areas - they're the same everywhere.
[23:34:06] <nick> is part of the reason why i decided to go elsewhere, this time of year is peak tourist season in UY and i hadn't yet got a longer rental sorted, or my own car
[23:35:01] <nick> will be a lot easier when i get back after tourist season and now i have a local helping me
[23:39:55] <Deucalion> seems you're set on making htat move then
[23:40:44] <nick> going to see how things go, spend a few months living there before i make any real decisions
[23:53:49] <Deucalion> makes sense.
[23:54:11] <Deucalion> k... time for me to sleep.. take care all
[23:57:13] <charon_> ~gnight Deucalion
[23:57:14] * exec cohesively pukes a dumpster of iced tea on Deucalion