#editorial | Logs for 2016-11-27
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[00:00:27] <charon> no. uss Zumwalt. already in the story Q but not 2nd yet
[00:00:52] <charon> https://soylentnews.org
[00:00:54] <exec> └─ 13Error
[00:01:24] <n1> oh ok
[00:01:30] <n1> looking now
[00:03:59] <n1> i would change it to mention the <i>Title</i> rather than saying "the story linked"
[00:04:30] <n1> but otherwise, i don't have a problem with it.
[00:05:19] <charon> cool. thank you. still not certain how much of my own views i can insert
[00:08:13] <n1> less is always better, if you have something to say there's other ways to do that.. submissions, comments, journals
[00:09:13] <n1> add to the story, don't detract from the original submission
[00:09:42] <n1> if you feel you need to, then there's bigger problems with the submission or your perspective on it
[00:09:51] <charon> aye. just happening across the link reminded me of how good that story is
[00:10:22] <charon> and i wanted to encourage people to click it and read it
[00:10:31] <charon> but it probably is better a comment
[00:11:20] <n1> depends really, could make discussion when people call you out to say it sucks and is not a classic :p
[00:11:26] <charon> lol
[00:14:47] <charon> do journals get a lot of views? i have never really paid attention to them myself
[00:15:40] <n1> it depends on the timing and the topics
[00:16:34] <n1> generally it's much better to make it into a submission
[00:16:58] <n1> but if you want to rant or go off the deep end, then a journal is a good place to do it
[00:20:25] <charon> hmm, i'm not sure i am wired to go off the deep end, ranting though....
[00:23:07] <n1> i have 2nd ed your stories
[00:23:18] <charon> thank you
[00:23:29] <charon> i was going to make janrinok do it
[00:24:02] <n1> my preference is to not leave the raw links in the summary, it's not that helpful and looks untidy.
[00:24:28] <n1> on the aloe vera story i changed it to "Bloomberg reports:"
[00:26:03] <charon> agreed, that does look nicer. i'll remember that
[00:27:12] <n1> my concern is that if people end up on SN through google or whatever, they see links like that and it looks lazy and unprofessional and are less likely to become regulars on the site
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[01:30:08] <charon> i love one star reviews where the customer admits he is the one who screwed up
[01:40:32] <n1> customers are idiots
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[01:51:25] <Fnord666> Good evening all
[01:58:10] <charon> 'lo fnord
[02:01:20] <charon> quitting time. back in a while
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[02:48:06] * Bytram pokes his nose into the channel -- sees a humongus backscool -- and decides to move right along and hope that, if there was anything important, that someone will kindly bring it to my attention
[02:50:31] <n1> nothing important that i recall
[02:51:31] <Bytram> n1: much obliged, fine sir!
[02:51:41] <Bytram> howz thingz?
[02:51:56] <charon> good, looks like he hasn't noticed the part about armed revolt
[02:52:45] <n1> things are good
[02:52:48] <n1> how is Bytram
[02:53:39] * Bytram is just a tad bit tired; worked black friday from 11pm on thanksgiving night until 4:30pm black friday, went home, slept, woke @ 2:30 am today, got lost in doing some programming until my alarm went off to tell me it was time to get ready to be at work at 0745... and worked until 5:30pm.
[02:54:12] <Bytram> so, /me has been up for about 20 hrs at this point, give or take -- can't bother to really do the math atm
[02:54:14] <n1> busy Bytram
[02:54:24] <Bytram> yeah, that is a most fitting word!
[02:54:29] <n1> i hope you can get some rest tonight
[02:54:38] <Bytram> as I oft remind myself, "Being busy beats being bored."
[02:55:01] <Bytram> though, I must admit there are times when there is too much of a good thing ;)
[02:55:39] <Bytram> anyway, just wanted to poke my nose in and let you know I'm still alive... prolly won't be able to do much on the site over the next 24 hours or so.
[02:56:06] <Bytram> I noticed the new guys have jumped right in and seem to be getting up to speed quite nicely!
[02:56:10] <Bytram> teamwork++
[02:56:10] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 121
[02:56:10] <charon> 17 hour workdays is not a good thing
[02:56:53] <Bytram> well, with bonus pay for working on a holiday and all, I think I'm getting paid for about 24 hours. =)
[02:57:28] <Bytram> last year, I lasted until 6:40 pm, but I had a later start and longer breaks.
[02:57:51] <Bytram> all-in-all it was a really good day sales-wise... sensed things were picking up compared to last year.
[02:58:16] <charon> that's good. i seem to recall last year was considered pretty lackluster
[02:58:29] <Bytram> that was my experience
[02:58:52] <charon> more money to spend on frivolities
[02:58:59] <Fnord666> I seem to recall that as well
[02:59:06] <Bytram> yup... like food and rent
[02:59:23] <charon> rent, psssh
[02:59:29] <Fnord666> always good to get those paid
[02:59:31] * Bytram looks at the author's page: https://soylentnews.org
[02:59:33] <exec> └─ 13404 File Not Found
[02:59:42] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:59:49] <Bytram> LOL
[03:00:49] <Bytram> okay, finding it hard to hold cohesive thoughts together... gonna call it a night.
[03:01:00] <Fnord666> n1 - thx for taking a look at the alzheimer's story.
[03:01:05] <charon> ~gnight Bytram
[03:01:06] * exec readily pits a briefcase of poofy onion cheese dip against Bytram
[03:01:11] <Bytram> ~gnight charon
[03:01:13] * exec ceremoniously queefs a buttload of radioactive rubber pants at charon
[03:01:31] <Fnord666> good night Bytram. Get some much deserved sleep.
[03:01:38] * n1 hat tip Bytram
[03:01:49] <Bytram> Fnord666: many thanks for the good wishes.
[03:02:00] <Bytram> n1: and a tip of my hat to you, too
[03:02:47] <Bytram> is good to have friends... is even gooder to have good friends... I am fortunate, indeed, to have gotten to know you all.
[03:02:56] <Bytram> and, with that,
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[09:09:06] <janrinok> am I in?
[09:09:10] <janrinok> nope
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[09:54:23] <janrinok_soyguest> Fnord666_away, you can start editing your stories with Display set on. Welcome to the team
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[12:12:42] <janrinok_soyguest> ~gday Bytram
[12:12:44] * exec figuratively fires a megabyte of breakfast chili at Bytram
[12:13:05] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok_soyguest
[12:13:06] * exec theoretically crossbreeds an example of teenage angst with janrinok_soyguest
[12:13:19] <Bytram> breakfast++
[12:13:19] <Bender> karma - breakfast: 1
[12:13:23] <janrinok_soyguest> how's hard-wording marty today?
[12:13:23] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:13:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 65
[12:13:32] <janrinok_soyguest> working*
[12:13:35] <Bytram> sleep++ is good!
[12:13:35] <Bender> karma - sleep: 1
[12:13:55] <Bytram> got about 7hr straight last night; helped a lot.
[12:14:02] <janrinok_soyguest> I'll bet it did
[12:14:20] <janrinok_soyguest> we've had a system reboot - the server has forgotten me again
[12:14:44] <Bytram> picked up some extra hrs @ work for today; scheduled is somewhat up to me... hope to get there in about 1 1/2 hrs or so.
[12:14:53] <Bytram> AGAIN??!!
[12:15:00] <janrinok_soyguest> every time there is a reboot
[12:15:22] <Bytram> saw TMB was on in #Soylent -- maybe he can help?
[12:15:35] <Bytram> is it a problem with ZNC?
[12:15:46] <janrinok_soyguest> nah, I've been in touch with Deucalion - he's looking at it
[12:15:54] <Bytram> nodn od
[12:15:58] <Bytram> :/
[12:15:59] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:16:08] <janrinok_soyguest> it is not ZNC - I think the IRC server is forgetting my password.
[12:16:22] * Bytram is pursuing an advanced degree at the school of cmn32480 touch typoing
[12:16:28] <Bytram> hrm.
[12:16:33] <janrinok_soyguest> you should graduate soon !
[12:16:52] <Bytram> maybe the problem lies with your choice of password? Mine is ********
[12:17:11] <janrinok_soyguest> damn, so is mine. ww'll both have to change it now
[12:17:32] <Bytram> yup, both here and on our luggage, I suppose, just to be safe.
[12:18:17] <Bytram> are you seeing the same symptoms this time as the prior times when IRC 'loses' you?
[12:18:19] <janrinok_soyguest> I was hoping you wouldn't mention that - but now that you have I'll have to change everything!
[12:18:27] <janrinok_soyguest> yep
[12:18:42] <janrinok_soyguest> the only solution seems to be a password reset on IRC, not ZNC
[12:18:56] <Bytram> ugh.
[12:19:04] <janrinok_soyguest> but this time I've asked him to delete my account and start again with a clean sheet
[12:19:18] <janrinok_soyguest> just in case there is an invalid char somewhere in the config
[12:19:29] <Bytram> is that the temporary fix which at least gets you back on, but there is still the underlying problem that the next time the server gets rebooted, you are again SOL?
[12:19:52] <janrinok_soyguest> well a new account might help
[12:19:58] <Bytram> yup
[12:20:29] <Bytram> that is WAY outside my area of expertise, but if anyone can sort it out, it's prolly D or maybe PJ
[12:20:48] <Bytram> wish there was something I could do to help
[12:21:11] <Bytram> IRC is kinda critical for us to be able to run the site, though, in a pinch, we could fall back to e-mail
[12:21:41] <janrinok_soyguest> well, I can log in as something else, but I haven't got the same privs or access to certain places
[12:21:50] <janrinok_soyguest> and editing the site is fine
[12:21:53] <Bytram> got it.
[12:22:02] <Bytram> well, at least you still have THAT!
[12:22:32] * janrinok_soyguest would prefer it the other way around - access to IRC but unable to do any work!
[12:23:05] <Bytram> single-signon is good when it works, but when that goes sideways, it tends to take *everything* along with it... kind of a good thing that we have some pockets of idiosyncrasies =)
[12:23:34] <janrinok_soyguest> who you callin' and idiot syncro-something?!
[12:23:34] <Bytram> don't tell crutchy -- he just might whip up a way to edit stories from IRC using PHP
[12:23:54] * Bytram whistles
[12:23:58] <janrinok_soyguest> lol
[12:24:12] <Bytram> toot suite
[12:24:15] <janrinok_soyguest> that exchange is my proof that I am who I claim to be
[12:24:32] <Bytram> two shay
[12:24:50] <janrinok_soyguest> I'm very oh fay with these expressions
[12:24:53] <Bytram> brb
[12:26:12] * Bytram just checked hours @ work... looks like I should aim to get there in about 90 minutes which means I
[12:26:23] <janrinok_soyguest> off you go, and work hard!
[12:26:27] * Bytram prolly stop procrastinating and start moving my butt
[12:26:43] * Bytram does not idle well
[12:26:59] <janrinok_soyguest> we will look after everything while you are off avoiding working on the site - :-)
[12:27:01] <Bytram> not that anyone here might have noticed that! ;)
[12:27:22] <janrinok_soyguest> how many hours today?
[12:27:28] <Bytram> well, that is one way of looking at it! Misplaced priorities, right?
[12:28:05] <Bytram> I dunno. at least 4... depending on how busy we are, I could prolly go up to 6 hours or so.
[12:28:37] <janrinok_soyguest> might see you back here this evening then. But get some sleep too
[12:28:48] <Bytram> I hope your nick can get straightened out soon...
[12:28:55] <Bytram> hmmm... pm.
[12:29:00] <janrinok_soyguest> I like my crooked nick
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[12:46:54] <janrinok_soyguest> ~tell snow please remember to initial your comments in Editor's Notes
[15:31:06] <n1_> ahoy
[15:31:15] <janrinok_soyguest> avast n1
[15:32:49] <n1_> how goes
[15:33:01] <janrinok_soyguest> quite
[15:33:08] <janrinok_soyguest> quiet - but that is not bad
[15:36:26] <n1_> quiet is good
[15:37:06] <janrinok_soyguest> I'm sat here in a t-shirt, and S is a couple of metres away wrapped in a fleece and blanket.
[15:41:16] <n1_> i'm a bit more polite, i wear shorts with my t-shirts
[15:41:39] <janrinok_soyguest> oooh, aren't you posh!
[15:45:25] * n1_ eats eggs on toast
[15:45:43] <janrinok_soyguest> I keep forgetting that you are in a very different TZ now
[15:46:12] <janrinok_soyguest> brb 5
[15:57:48] * n1_ ponders more steam sale purchases
[15:58:35] <janrinok_soyguest> nursy jobs over, got to start cooking soon
[15:59:25] <janrinok_soyguest> any steam games in particular that you fancy?
[15:59:58] <n1_> what's for dinner?
[16:00:07] <n1_> i already bought 3
[16:00:46] <janrinok_soyguest> turkey breast in a mushroom sauce, roast squash, and probably brocolli - but I'm undecided on the green veg for now
[16:00:52] <n1_> fallout 4, metal gear solid 5 and 'this war of mine'
[16:01:12] <n1_> sadly fallout 4 is only the base game, since all the extra content costs more than the actual game itself
[16:01:22] <janrinok_soyguest> that should keep you occupied. do you have a controller or is it all kbd action?
[16:01:47] <n1_> im going to get a controller, the laptop i have right now is no good for games
[16:01:52] <n1_> but the one i have ordered is
[16:02:13] <janrinok_soyguest> controller and flashing kbd lights!
[16:02:17] <n1_> yup
[16:02:27] <janrinok_soyguest> they don't stand a chance
[16:03:45] <n1_> i figured £13 for FO4 and £16 for MGS was a pretty good deal
[16:03:58] <n1_> and this war of mine was £3
[16:04:22] <n1_> bought with the spare bitcoin from my laptop purchase
[16:04:48] <janrinok_soyguest> I don't know how much they normally cost but that sounds very reasonable. Never had a computer game like that - Oh, I think I had the freebie version of Ghost Recon when it first came out.
[16:05:20] <janrinok_soyguest> something like 4 or 5 missions and the chance to get yourself killed in thousands of ways
[16:07:40] <janrinok_soyguest> well, I'd better go begin battle with the huge squash that I have been given. Tough as old boots to get through the skin, but the flesh is delicious
[16:07:44] <n1_> MGS is £25 normally, FO4 is £40 and TWOM is £15
[16:07:53] <n1_> have fun!
[16:08:06] <n1_> ghost recon have been some good games
[16:08:15] <janrinok_soyguest> will try to - but you might hear my cussing from there
[16:08:41] <janrinok_soyguest> well, it is going back 15 or more years so I don't remember too much about it
[16:09:04] <janrinok_soyguest> off to the kitchen - CHARGE!
[16:40:27] * cmn32480 hears the clanging of pots and pans dong battle w/ janrinok_soyguest... it sounds as if janrinok_soyguest is losing
[17:00:59] <n1_> ahoy cmn32480
[17:08:48] * cmn32480 is off to fight the leaves and broken mailbox...
[17:08:57] <cmn32480> ~gday n1
[17:08:58] * exec buttmagically fires an A cup of hypergolic buttsauce at n1
[17:09:12] <cmn32480> ~define hypergolic buttsauce
[17:09:13] <exec> [local] hypergolic buttsauce: what anything on a menu with over three out of five peppers will become in a few hours
[17:09:25] <cmn32480> lol
[17:10:03] <n1_> delightful
[17:10:15] <cmn32480> certain ring of truth
[17:10:33] <cmn32480> and it sets your ring on fire
[18:14:07] <janrinok_soyguest> I have returned, and to prove it, I'm here
[18:39:36] <n1_> wb janrinok_soyguest
[18:40:07] <janrinok_soyguest> have you bought anything?
[18:53:48] <n1_> nah, but i've been pondering oddworld and broken sword 2 for some nostalgia
[19:09:16] <janrinok_soyguest> time for tea
[19:09:19] <janrinok_soyguest> tea++
[19:09:19] <Bender> karma - tea: 25
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[22:03:23] <Bytram|away> anybody here? I just added a time-sensitive story to the queue; could use a 2nd. "O'Reilly: Cyber Monday Sale; All 14,000 eBooks Discounted 50 Percent" https://soylentnews.org
[22:03:25] <exec> └─ 13Error
[22:03:29] <Bytram|away> lol
[22:04:11] <Bytram|away> is scheduled to go out at 2016-11-27 @ 23:59 UTC
[22:08:57] <charon> i'm here, i'll take a look
[22:10:08] <Bytram|away> charon++
[22:10:08] <Bender> karma - charon: 3
[22:11:23] <charon> leaning towards dropping the anti-DRM link. the promotion it links to is from May 2016
[22:11:51] <nick> did we previously do a story on O'Reilly books at humblebundle?
[22:11:53] <Bytram|away> fine by me... go for it!
[22:12:04] <Bytram|away> I don't recall.
[22:12:06] <nick> https://www.humblebundle.com
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[22:12:10] <exec> └─ 13Humble Book Bundle: Unix presented by O'Reilly (pay what you want and help charity)
[22:12:18] <Bytram> ahh.. that feels better. ;)
[22:12:49] <nick> as little as $1 for 5 o'reilly ebooks
[22:12:56] <nick> on unixy type stuff
[22:13:04] <Bytram> and we ran a story on it?
[22:13:12] <nick> i don't know, that's what i was asking lol
[22:13:17] <Bytram> idk
[22:13:22] <nick> i'm guessing not
[22:13:41] <nick> worth including in the story about the 50% off, if we're doing that
[22:14:07] <Bytram> is that humble bundle thing still going on?
[22:14:28] <nick> yeah, for 9 more days
[22:14:53] <Bytram> I don't see why not.
[22:15:04] <Bytram> nick: coordinate with charon
[22:15:32] <charon> putting that in too, thanks n1
[22:15:39] <Bytram> teamwork++
[22:15:39] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 122
[22:16:59] <Bytram> btw, one thing to watch for with OO (aka gewg_) submissions... beware when there is a reference to earlier stories... often sets the threshold and breakthrough to an explicit value which means that all our registered user's selected settings for those get ignored when they click that link. I make it a point to strip that out of the URL.
[22:18:54] <Bytram> specifically watch for these kinds of things in a URL pointing to a story on our site: threshold=-1 AND highlightthresh=-1
[22:19:41] <Bytram> Say, I have mine set at "3" 'cause I have limited time, and don't want to see the low-rated stuff... with those two args in the URL, I'd suddenly be seeing a whole lot more comments, and far lower-rated ones, as well.
[22:19:59] <Bytram> ok, break time. biab
[22:24:04] <charon> 2nding done, cheers Bytram
[22:24:23] <Bytram> many thanks!
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