#editorial | Logs for 2016-11-23

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[00:00:48] <cmn32480> congrats to all those that have been thrown into the fire on production
[00:01:11] <charon> those poor poor bastards
[00:01:24] <charon> gday cmn32480
[00:01:26] <cmn32480> charon s/those/us/
[00:01:32] <cmn32480> dangit
[00:01:34] <charon> ~gday cmn32480
[00:01:35] * exec abnormally pukes an i/o stream of mana on cmn32480
[00:01:40] <cmn32480> ~gday charon
[00:01:42] * exec analiciously gives a BTRFS subvolume of moose turd pie to charon
[00:01:55] <charon> damn, you won pretty handily
[00:02:11] * Deucalion mooches around
[00:02:15] * n1 eats noodles and curses newegg
[00:02:27] <n1> Deucalion !!
[00:02:39] <Deucalion> n1!!!
[00:02:40] * cmn32480 decides what to make for dinner now that the kids are dropped at the grandparents.
[00:03:08] <n1> how is Deucalion
[00:03:21] <charon> cmn32480: macaroni and cheese and tuna and cream of mushroom soup and peas and tabasco sauce
[00:03:22] <n1> cmn32480, evening without the kids?
[00:03:33] <cmn32480> n1 yes
[00:03:50] * Deucalion is just fine thanks. Week off. You?
[00:04:11] <n1> aside from cursing newegg, i'm good.
[00:04:24] <charon> what's wrong with newegg?
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[00:05:06] <n1> they cancelled an order i paid for using bitcoin, on the basis that i had ordered too many of the item as it's limited per customer
[00:05:10] <cmn32480> and since the queue is full I'm about to roll outta here and take the missus someplace nice...
[00:05:22] <n1> cmn32480, smart move
[00:05:33] <n1> enjoy your evening sir
[00:05:46] <cmn32480> I'm hoping that someplace nice is the masterbedroom between the sheets... but I think I'll settle =for dinner first
[00:06:02] <cmn32480> you kids have a good night
[00:06:08] <cmn32480> for the moment.. I'm outtie..
[00:06:12] * n1 hat tip
[00:06:18] <charon> gnight cmn32480, good luck getting lucky
[00:08:36] <n1> charon, as i said before you arrived... "amusing that it's the established retailer that causes the problem, not bitcoin brokers"
[00:10:12] <charon> so wait, they counted each time your order failed as an actual order so you hit the 5/person limit?
[00:10:27] <n1> that's how it seems
[00:10:30] <mrpg> I'm off to eat bye y'all.
[00:10:31] <charon> that's nuts
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[00:10:37] <n1> take it easy, mrpg
[00:10:40] <n1> damn.
[00:10:47] <charon> quick on the draw
[00:10:52] <n1> yup and they did it again
[00:11:18] <n1> Our records indicate that the above item(s) was either previously purchased under the same customer account, using the same credit account, or ship to the same address and, with that purchase, the quantity limit for the above item(s) has now been exceeded.
[00:13:30] <charon> that's has got to be something a CS rep could fix. but i can see being pissed off right now
[00:14:02] <n1> while i was waiting for customer service, i got given the store credit
[00:14:14] <n1> when i spoke to customer service they said it would be fine to place the order again
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[00:14:20] <n1> but no, still fucked.,
[00:14:37] <charon> jeez
[00:14:50] <charon> ~gday Fnord666
[00:14:52] * exec provocatively penetrates a pocketful of string cheese with Fnord666
[00:15:03] <Fnord666> ~gday charon
[00:15:05] * exec illegitimately vomits an assfull of extract of swamp ass on charon
[00:15:48] <Fnord666> Good evening all!
[00:15:55] <charon> how do/
[00:16:13] <charon> s/\//\?
[00:16:35] <Fnord666> Well, thanks for asking. Yourself?
[00:16:57] <charon> what, did i not escape the regex properly?
[00:17:11] <Fnord666> failed to close with a final '/'
[00:17:15] <charon> i'm alright. still at work, but it's the slack time so i can get away with things
[00:19:38] <charon> congrats, by the way
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[00:21:39] <Fnord666> Thanks. Wait what?
[00:24:18] <charon> maybe you have a message? apparently you and snow and greatoutdoors got cleared for live
[00:24:54] <charon> least, that's what janrinok said earlier
[00:25:07] <Fnord666> I did notice that production had an edit bar today...
[00:26:07] <n1> i believe you're now free to edit stories on prod, but leave them to not display so either janrinok, Bytram|away, cmn32480 or myself can check them
[00:26:40] <Fnord666> Got it.
[00:27:34] <Fnord666> And thank you.
[00:30:33] <n1> so, if any of you want to do a couple stories now, i wouldn't complain ;)
[00:31:49] <charon> working on a gewg_ right now. you're welcome
[00:32:21] <Deucalion> n1, does Fnord need irc privs at this point?
[00:32:54] <n1> Deucalion, as you're here... might as well
[00:33:02] <Deucalion> aight
[00:33:37] <n1> back on with newegg customer service possible bot
[00:33:51] <Greatoutdoors|afk> Yo ppls
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[00:34:01] <n1> yo Greatoutdoors
[00:34:16] <Fnord666> Hey Greatoutdoors
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[00:35:31] <charon> ~gday Greatoutdoors
[00:35:32] * exec crutchyly inserts a coffee++ mug of eyeball jelly into Greatoutdoors
[00:36:24] <Deucalion> n1, same for mr. outdoors here?
[00:36:50] <n1> aye
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[00:37:17] <n1> GreatOutdoors, did you see what janrinok said earlier and/or what i said above?
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[00:37:27] <GreatOutdoors> Nope, just sat down.
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[00:37:46] <GreatOutdoors> I'll go llook...
[00:38:19] <GreatOutdoors> hmm... lots of talking above. Got a specific timeframe?
[00:39:08] <n1> "i believe you're now free to edit stories on prod, but leave them to not display so either janrinok, Bytram|away, cmn32480 or myself can check them"
[00:39:56] <GreatOutdoors> Works for me.
[00:42:15] <charon> congrats
[00:43:55] <Fnord666> thank you
[00:44:29] <n1> now i have to wait a few minutes, then maybe newegg will let me buy something from them
[00:44:45] <Fnord666> They working you over n1?
[00:45:15] <Fnord666> Congrats GreatOutdoors!
[00:45:29] <n1> in my attempts to work out their payment methods, i ended up placing a bunch of orders that wont ever be processed
[00:45:43] <n1> but that stopped me from actually placing an order due to limited quantities per customer
[00:46:19] <Fnord666> Well that's not good.
[00:46:39] <Deucalion> taking advantage of some great sale offer n1 ?
[00:47:05] <n1> aye
[00:48:27] <n1> http://www.newegg.com
[00:48:30] <exec> └─ 13MSI 17.3" GT72 Dominator G-1227 Quad Core Intel Core i7 6820HK (2.70 GHz) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970M 16 GB Memory 1 TB HDD Windows 10 Home 64-Bit Gaming Laptop-Newegg.com
[00:49:53] <charon> In a world of ordinary laptops, only one will be known forever as... The Dominator.
[00:50:08] <n1> lol
[00:50:19] <n1> well it's dominated my evening at least
[00:50:20] <Fnord666> Looks like a beast!
[00:50:35] <Fnord666> You might even be able to play Crysis!
[00:51:10] <n1> if you look at it compared to the others at the same price
[00:51:17] <n1> aside from not having an SSD, it kicks ass
[00:51:58] <charon> when i got an SSD for my OS drive, it was astonishing how fast it booted
[00:52:26] <charon> from 40s to about 10s
[00:52:34] <n1> yeah, it does make a difference
[00:52:41] <n1> i have an SSD on my desktop
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[00:55:20] <n1> i think my order went through this time!
[00:59:56] <charon> hooray
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[01:03:12] Fnord666_ is now known as Fnord666
[01:06:16] <Fnord666> n1 - I added the Fender Guitar submission to the Story queue if you would like to review it please
[01:09:17] <n1> great, i'll take a look now
[01:10:07] <Fnord666> Thanks.
[01:10:56] <n1> CoolHand got there before me
[01:12:23] <CoolHand> I did..
[01:12:27] <CoolHand> It looked good
[01:13:13] <n1> only things i'd say: Is in the headline shouldn't be capitalized, i prefer to put the [...] on the same line as the start or end of a paragraph
[01:13:55] <CoolHand> yeah, I didn't catche the "is"
[01:14:01] <Fnord666> ok to edit it?
[01:14:25] <CoolHand> AFAIC..
[01:14:43] <n1> i'm not a fan of having capital letters in the dept. titles, but not everyone apparently agrees on that one
[01:14:59] <n1> and dept. titles are for your own creative expression anyway, so do what you will.
[01:14:59] <Fnord666> I left the "Is" capitalized because it's that way in the source article title.
[01:15:33] <n1> Fnord666, headlines are fine to change, it's better to be consistent
[01:15:56] <Fnord666> Good to know. I'll stick with our Style Guide.
[01:16:12] <n1> if you can think of a better headline on a submission, you should use it. especially if it's just a copy/paste submission
[01:16:17] <CoolHand> We don't always use the article title
[01:16:28] <n1> i really hate headlines that don't really give you any information about the summary/article itself
[01:16:43] <charon> we have a style guide?
[01:17:14] <n1> i broke my own rules with that thought the other day with the "I Am Capital" story... but generally it's nice to make the headlines as informative as possible
[01:17:15] <CoolHand> we do.. it's in the wiki.. u should have gotten a link
[01:17:34] <charon> i'm sure i looked at it and immediately forgot
[01:17:46] <Fnord666> Updated. Thanks n1 and CoolHand for thefeedback.
[01:18:06] <charon> man, wrestling with that one sub took an hour
[01:18:07] <n1> teamwork!
[01:18:25] <n1> good to see you're not giving yourself an easy life, charon ;)
[01:18:39] <charon> taking a bullet for the team
[01:18:53] <n1> that is how it goes though, some stories take a couple minutes, others take much much longer
[01:19:10] <Fnord666> charon - see the Documentation section in the Editors page of the wiki.
[01:19:10] <n1> and after doing it 1000 times, thinking up dept. titles loses it's charm
[01:19:13] <Fnord666> https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[01:19:16] <exec> └─ 13Editors - SoylentNews
[01:20:34] <n1> i should probably refresh myself with the wiki
[01:20:52] <charon> oh yeah, i did see that. it all looked very logical, so i forgot about it
[01:21:06] <charon> uh.. what i mean by that is... internalized it
[01:21:19] <Fnord666> We knew that's what you meant.
[01:21:34] <n1> editors who are not me put a lot of time and effort into it... but they know i'm a bad student so...
[01:22:19] <charon> n1 you are so right about dept titles
[01:23:12] <n1> sometimes it takes longer to think of one, or go through several than it does to edit the damn story
[01:23:33] <n1> but other times, it can still be quite a bit of fun
[01:23:55] <charon> and then when it's not even my story one comes to me in a second
[01:24:03] <n1> yup
[01:24:26] <n1> sometimes i put weird references or lyrics in there
[01:24:48] <CoolHand> I usually think of sexual-innuendo ones first, then have to tell myself that's not appropriate and think of something else... I guess that tells where my mind usually is..
[01:24:52] <charon> i put a LotR joke into one that janrinok was stuck on
[01:25:33] <CoolHand> more LotR jokes please
[01:25:33] <CoolHand> :)
[01:26:00] <n1> and like CoolHand, for that one all i could think of was sexual innuendo
[01:26:07] <n1> glad you saved the community from that
[01:26:11] <CoolHand> heh
[01:26:15] <charon> lol
[01:27:38] * Fnord666 smirks
[01:30:09] <n1> one of my favorite dept. titles ive done was this lyric: "20-motherf*kers-in-a-levitating-car-747-full-of-women-and-cigars"
[01:30:18] <n1> cant remember what the story was about, just that was the dept i chose
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[01:30:49] <charon> that is certainly memorable
[01:31:23] <n1> it was relevant i assure you!
[01:31:28] <charon> sure sure
[01:32:02] <Fnord666> must have been an interesting story
[01:32:23] <charon> it was probably about the plight of the tobacco farmer
[01:36:07] <Fnord666> Looking over the submissions I see a book review. What is the general consensus about them?
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[01:38:46] <n1> depends on the book, generally a low priority
[01:38:58] <n1> but we've had good feedback on reviews before
[01:39:07] <GreatOutdoors> Sorry for the joins/parts, testing some script stuff I am writing..
[01:39:25] <n1> aha, i found my story with that dept.
[01:39:31] <n1> https://soylentnews.org
[01:39:34] <exec> └─ 13Uber for Jets Hits the Private Plane Market - SoylentNews
[01:39:59] <GreatOutdoors> whaa...?
[01:40:00] <GreatOutdoors> lol
[01:40:56] <charon> i'll be damned, it was relevant
[01:41:04] <n1> hah, i even commented with a link to the song as there wasn't much discussion going on
[01:41:11] <GreatOutdoors> I never asked, but assumed that cursing was not really acceptable in the articles, only comments..
[01:41:33] <n1> it's not acceptable
[01:41:37] <charon> professionalism
[01:41:57] <Fnord666> The internet is forever
[01:42:09] <GreatOutdoors> aye... What happened with that article?
[01:42:13] <n1> fskers is not the same as fuckers
[01:42:24] <GreatOutdoors> lol
[01:44:12] <n1> that was my 795th story, so i'd earned it by then :p
[01:44:35] <GreatOutdoors> aha
[01:45:17] <n1> see why i don't do editor training?
[01:46:27] <n1> but seriously, it's ok to have fun in the dept. but it shouldn't veer into NSFW ... but since the comments are open season, people view the site at their own risk
[01:46:35] <GreatOutdoors> I'll come to you for advice when I want to post something questionable. You're that guy now...
[01:46:54] <charon> i recall training someone to replace me for my job of filing legal documents with the courts. i told her: never ever ever doctor a document like i am doing right now
[01:47:25] <n1> GreatOutdoors, i'm happy to take that role... as i think i mentioned the other day with you around... i like challenging the community with stories on occasion
[01:48:06] <n1> i'm far more comfortable going into the political and subjective realms of what we should/shouldn't publish than some of the others
[01:48:36] <GreatOutdoors> I cross all boundaries, depending on the circumstances.
[01:48:56] <n1> and i dont mind defending my position in the comments, so if you've talked about a story in here and i've supported it going forward
[01:49:04] <n1> i'll defend that process and explain it in the comments
[01:49:24] <GreatOutdoors> aye
[01:49:27] <n1> it's thrown people off before, providing adequate defence of an editorial decision... or saying "we fucked up"
[01:49:40] <n1> not many places do that kind of thing
[01:50:10] <Fnord666> Too true
[01:53:56] <charon> i did my first, "if you don't like the story, submit your own" post today
[01:54:03] <n1> here's an example of how we have tried and failed: https://soylentnews.org
[01:54:05] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | MAME is Now Free and Open Source Software
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[02:05:18] <charon-in-transit> back later all
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[02:34:07] <cmn32480> and I'm spent
[02:34:24] <Deucalion> TMI cmn32480 TMI
[02:34:34] <charon> lol
[02:34:34] <Deucalion> glad you had a good evening though lol
[02:34:40] <cmn32480> nah... we decided on frozen pizza...
[02:34:57] <GreatOutdoors> It's quicker... leaved time for other things...
[02:35:01] <cmn32480> she is currently watching the last episode of the walking dead
[02:35:06] <GreatOutdoors> s/ed/es/
[02:35:06] <sedctl> <GreatOutdoors> It's quicker... leaves time for other things...
[02:35:08] <exec> <GreatOutdoors> It's quicker... leaves time for other things...
[02:35:08] <cmn32480> and that crap drives me from the room
[02:35:23] <charon> so she'll be in the mood for love after that, eh?
[02:35:24] <GreatOutdoors> Why
[02:35:39] <cmn32480> just not my thing GreatOutdoors
[02:36:36] <cmn32480> I just don't enjoy the whole zombie craze
[02:36:45] <cmn32480> unless I am shooting them in Left4Dead
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[02:53:59] <n1> the zombie craze was fine before it was a craze and it was just being a fan of the resident evil series...
[02:54:24] <cmn32480> right
[02:54:28] <n1> Bytram !!
[02:54:34] <cmn32480> before it invaded EVERYTHING.. and was just for video games
[02:54:48] <Bytram> n1: !!
[02:54:58] <charon> we don't go to Ravenholme
[02:55:10] * Bytram started to reed hiz backscrool and gave up
[02:55:31] <cmn32480> Bytram iz smrt
[02:56:00] * Bytram iz tired
[02:56:48] <Bytram> they moved up time that specials go live by 1 full day, we cranked like crazy to locate and sign all of them, and then got notice (many hours latdr) that is was only a few items.
[02:57:00] <Bytram> *that it was
[02:57:33] <charon> that's a lot of bullshit
[02:58:04] <charon> my sympathies, bytram
[02:58:50] <Bytram> apprecaited
[02:59:22] <charon> i work in retail also, so i feel some of your pain
[02:59:40] <Bytram> not all for nothing, though... it needed to be done, eventually. Still busting ass in get-it-done-yesterday mode was a bit much.
[03:00:22] <charon> but now there's customers expecting the sale price when it's not in effect
[03:00:24] * Bytram is trying to save some energy/motivation for when I show up for work at 11PM thanksgiving night.
[03:00:43] <charon> that right there is criminal
[03:00:52] <charon> unless you volunteer
[03:00:57] <Bytram> not quite, there were managers expecting that we needed to set up sales earlier than they were orginally informed, and then found out they misundeerstood.
[03:03:00] <cmn32480> fek.. there are like 40 of you FNG's to add to the ~eds list
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[03:03:08] <cmn32480> there's another one popping up
[03:03:13] <cmn32480> jebus
[03:03:42] <charon> fucking new guys?
[03:04:09] <GreatOutdoors> I am done testing my new code... Now my client automatically connects, identifies, and then joins all my chans when I open my IRC client.
[03:04:25] <GreatOutdoors> yes, I am the FNG
[03:05:05] <Bytram> Funny New Guy?
[03:05:18] <charon> <----
[03:05:37] <CoolHand> fantastic new guy?
[03:05:41] <CoolHand> hah
[03:05:42] <n1> fabulous
[03:06:08] <CoolHand> haha, that is what I was going for... my mind got the wrong word
[03:06:25] <CoolHand> I guess it shows I'm not in that scene
[03:06:25] <Bytram> forgetful new guy?
[03:08:10] <GreatOutdoors> Frightening new guy
[03:08:48] <GreatOutdoors> Speaking of.. I think our FNG at work is gonna get fired....
[03:08:57] <Bytram> Fired New Guy?
[03:09:00] <GreatOutdoors> Too much web browsing at work..
[03:09:04] <GreatOutdoors> lol, yep
[03:09:07] <Bytram> you gonna put 'em in a kiln?
[03:09:14] <Bytram> what do you use for glazing?
[03:09:29] <charon> ba dum bum tish
[03:09:39] <Bytram> DONUTS!
[03:09:57] <GreatOutdoors> What I don't get is that he has plenty of work, gets paid decently, works a regular shift, no overtime requirement, and it is not stressful.... he is just friggin lazy.
[03:10:44] <Bytram> what kinda work? software?
[03:10:55] <cmn32480> just a heads up - need a consensus on what you all FNG's are gonna do for away nicks
[03:11:06] <cmn32480> <nick>|away
[03:11:09] <cmn32480> _away
[03:11:12] <cmn32480> some such
[03:11:22] * Bytram votes for |awak
[03:11:25] * Bytram votes for |away
[03:11:33] * Bytram votes for |afk
[03:11:36] <cmn32480> need to know as I don't want you missing messages, but if you are gonna uyse stuff like GreatOutdoors_pooping... forget it
[03:11:38] <GreatOutdoors> He is the "low man" on the totem pole working on medical equipment... So he spends most of his time testing pumps and basic machines that can't kill anyone...
[03:12:03] <Bytram> GreatOutdoors: until he's done "fixing" them, that is...
[03:12:05] <charon> i like that example
[03:12:15] <GreatOutdoors> I vote |AWAY... so GreatOutdoors|AWAY Translates to GO AWAY
[03:12:17] <cmn32480> charon_pooping?
[03:12:33] * Bytram reaches for his nose plugs
[03:12:39] <charon> well, maybe it looks better for GO
[03:12:51] <cmn32480> some of us never change our nicks.
[03:13:17] <cmn32480> so it is not a requirement
[03:13:23] <Bytram> cmn32480: Darn Right! just ask Stevie
[03:13:25] <charon> i actually would never be on and not here, so i don't anticipate changing at all
[03:13:32] <Bytram> ;)
[03:13:50] <cmn32480> charon - until you get access ot the bouncer
[03:14:02] <GreatOutdoors> I may just leave my nick the way it is all the time if it is easier..
[03:14:08] <charon> but i guess |away is fine as a just-in-case
[03:14:10] <cmn32480> deucalion - you hooked all these FNG up w/ bouncer access?
[03:14:32] <Deucalion> cmn32480, newp.
[03:14:35] <charon> i don't need the bouncer, i read the log of #editorial
[03:15:08] <cmn32480> the boncer gives you the backscroll instead of reading the logs
[03:15:08] <GreatOutdoors> Really charon? You must have lotz of time on your hands..
[03:15:38] <cmn32480> we may want to revoke charon's privs... as he is obviously in need of a jacket that buckles in the back
[03:15:53] <charon> i'm up to 2014-09-27
[03:15:54] <GreatOutdoors> I figure that if someone needs me, they can message me...
[03:16:17] <GreatOutdoors> And If I am offline... they can email me..
[03:16:32] <cmn32480> gentlemen (and I use the term loosly
[03:16:36] <Deucalion> cmn32480, given up doing that by default. If ppl want it they just need to ask and it will be done. More people I set up with bouncer access didn;t take it up than not. If that makes sense :/
[03:16:44] <cmn32480> ), we use IRC to pass messages back and forth
[03:17:04] <cmn32480> Deucalion - understood
[03:17:20] <cmn32480> if you aren't here... we have to rely on the bots to do so.
[03:17:27] <CoolHand> I never use away b/c it messes up my idle rpg... ;)
[03:17:38] <charon> priorities
[03:17:42] <CoolHand> exactly!
[03:17:44] <CoolHand> :)
[03:17:53] <cmn32480> and that's all well and wonderful, but as the staff is growing, setting exec to do a ~tell to 10 people is not efficient
[03:18:03] <cmn32480> coolhand - same reason
[03:18:06] <CoolHand> I guess I can give up my game
[03:18:16] <GreatOutdoors> Well, when I travel my laptop is powered down to go with me.. so that will leave "gaps"..
[03:18:17] <cmn32480> you don't need to
[03:18:25] <cmn32480> hence the bouncer
[03:18:27] <CoolHand> don't tells only work on login??
[03:18:27] <Deucalion> I never use away because no-one gives a shit either way....
[03:18:36] <cmn32480> on first workds
[03:18:41] <CoolHand> ahh
[03:18:51] <cmn32480> I don't chagne mine becasue of idlerpg
[03:18:58] <cmn32480> you don't HAVE to change the nick.
[03:19:20] <charon> i refuse
[03:19:32] <GreatOutdoors> I'll just leave my nick the same forever now....
[03:19:40] * GreatOutdoors doesn't really care
[03:19:56] <charon> CoolHand: teach me the ways of the idlerpg
[03:20:02] <GreatOutdoors> So... explain the "bouncer"?
[03:20:13] <cmn32480> the boncer makes it look like you are here all the time
[03:20:31] <cmn32480> it keeps you logged into IRC and when you log into the bouncer, it dumps the scrollback into your screen
[03:20:31] <GreatOutdoors> ok..
[03:20:43] <cmn32480> for all the channels that you are logged into
[03:20:50] <GreatOutdoors> aha. private messages included?
[03:21:03] <cmn32480> that gives you all the alrets, etc, when we ar talking about you while you aren't here
[03:21:05] <Bytram> yep
[03:21:10] <cmn32480> PM's included
[03:21:10] <Bytram> =)
[03:21:33] <GreatOutdoors> How do you login to the bouncer?
[03:21:35] <cmn32480> so if I close hexchat, you send me a PM, I'll get it as soon as I log back in
[03:21:47] <cmn32480> you very nicely ask Deucalion to set you up
[03:21:52] <charon> that does seem handy, but if there's a fire and someone needs attention asap, it looks like a channel full of people are ignoring it
[03:22:08] <cmn32480> and we usually are
[03:22:13] <GreatOutdoors> lol
[03:22:15] <Bytram> hence the ~eds command which is used to summon us
[03:22:18] <cmn32480> editorial fires are few adn far between
[03:22:41] <cmn32480> and depending on the day, there is generally at least one ed on during regular business hours in a given tiome zone
[03:22:49] <GreatOutdoors> Where do I find all these commands? The wiki does not list them all...
[03:23:05] <Deucalion> GreatOutdoors, we run a ZNC instance. Rather than client -- ircd you have znc -- ircd permanently. When you connect you get client -- znc -- ircd and znc plays back all the shit you missed in whatever channels you were in when you last disconnected your client.
[03:23:06] <cmn32480> anythign that we use that starts w/ a ~ is exec
[03:23:07] <GreatOutdoors> Cheat sheet?
[03:23:08] <cmn32480> ~list
[03:23:08] <exec> ~list ~list-auth ~lock ~unlock
[03:23:08] <exec> ~! ~addr ~api ~arthur ~aur ~bday ~butt ~calc ~cat ~cd ~cid ~comments ~confucius ~convert ~count ~cowsay ~deb ~define ~define-add ~define-count ~define-delete ~define-sources ~devs ~eds ~exec-issue ~execfs ~fah ~filter ~filth ~first ~forex ~fortune ~g ~g'day ~g'night ~gday ~get ~github-add ~github-del ~github-list ~gnight ~google ~grab ~header ~header-login ~help ~isup ~jisho ~last ~link ~links ~location ~log ~ls ~md ~mkdir ~moo ~nyse ~openthepodbaydoors
[03:23:09] <exec> ~perl6 ~php ~queue ~quickpoll ~quote ~rainbow ~random ~rd ~rehash-issue ~remind ~rmdir ~romajidesu ~rps ~scramble ~sed ~seen ~set ~shorten ~sizeof ~sneak ~sneak-server ~staff ~stash ~story-search ~submit ~suggest ~suggest-api ~suggest-exec ~suggest-rss ~tell ~time ~time-add ~time-del ~time-prefs ~title ~trans ~translate ~translate-sl ~uid ~unset ~unstash ~up ~vote ~weather ~weather-add ~weather-del ~weather-old ~weather-prefs ~welcome ~wget ~youtube ~yt
[03:23:17] <GreatOutdoors> nice...
[03:23:25] <cmn32480> and that list is incomplete, I think
[03:23:27] <Bytram> and, should it be the case that there is no ed immediately available, putting out a call for help in #Soylent usually gains notice from someone else who can contact one of us through other means
[03:23:45] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[03:23:45] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 77
[03:23:46] * charon copy/pastes that handy info
[03:23:51] <GreatOutdoors> ~rainbow
[03:23:53] <cmn32480> no need
[03:23:59] <cmn32480> just leasrn the commadn to list them
[03:24:01] <GreatOutdoors> had to try..
[03:24:01] <cmn32480> ~list
[03:24:02] <exec> ~list ~list-auth ~lock ~unlock
[03:24:02] <exec> ~! ~addr ~api ~arthur ~aur ~bday ~butt ~calc ~cat ~cd ~cid ~comments ~confucius ~convert ~count ~cowsay ~deb ~define ~define-add ~define-count ~define-delete ~define-sources ~devs ~eds ~exec-issue ~execfs ~fah ~filter ~filth ~first ~forex ~fortune ~g ~g'day ~g'night ~gday ~get ~github-add ~github-del ~github-list ~gnight ~google ~grab ~header ~header-login ~help ~isup ~jisho ~last ~link ~links ~location ~log ~ls ~md ~mkdir ~moo ~nyse ~openthepodbaydoors
[03:24:02] <exec> ~perl6 ~php ~queue ~quickpoll ~quote ~rainbow ~random ~rd ~rehash-issue ~remind ~rmdir ~romajidesu ~rps ~scramble ~sed ~seen ~set ~shorten ~sizeof ~sneak ~sneak-server ~staff ~stash ~story-search ~submit ~suggest ~suggest-api ~suggest-exec ~suggest-rss ~tell ~time ~time-add ~time-del ~time-prefs ~title ~trans ~translate ~translate-sl ~uid ~unset ~unstash ~up ~vote ~weather ~weather-add ~weather-del ~weather-old ~weather-prefs ~welcome ~wget ~youtube ~yt
[03:24:12] <charon> yeah, but it spams up the place
[03:24:14] <Bytram> ~rainbow ComesAfterTheRain
[03:24:15] <exec> 00,12C00,02o00,06m00,04e00,07s00,08A00,09f00,12t00,02e00,06r00,04T00,07h00,08e00,09R00,12a00,02i00,06n
[03:24:23] <cmn32480> ~rainbow Don't be a fucktard GreatOutdoors
[03:24:24] <exec> 00,06D00,04o00,07n00,08'00,09t00,12 00,02b00,06e00,04 00,07a00,08 00,09f00,12u00,02c00,06k00,04t00,07a00,08r00,09d00,12 00,02G00,06r00,04e00,07a00,08t00,09O00,12u00,02t00,06d00,04o00,07o00,08r00,09s
[03:24:25] <charon> my life is complete
[03:24:33] <Deucalion> oh my word... exec has reached GodZilla status
[03:24:34] <Bytram> yeah, best to play with it in #Soylent or some other channel
[03:24:40] <GreatOutdoors> ~rainbow i Will If I Want To cmn32480
[03:24:42] <exec> 00,02i00,06 00,04W00,07i00,08l00,09l00,12 00,02I00,06f00,04 00,07I00,08 00,09W00,12a00,02n00,06t00,04 00,07T00,08o00,09 00,12c00,02m00,06n00,04300,07200,08400,09800,120
[03:24:59] <n1> kids...
[03:25:07] <cmn32480> #test is a great place to screw with all exec's commands.
[03:25:50] * cmn32480 notes that a chunk of the crowd jhust ran to #test to play
[03:26:12] <charon> lol
[03:26:23] <Deucalion> The bouncer is one of those things that seems to make no sense til you use it IME.
[03:26:40] <Deucalion> Not pushing anyone to use it as it means work for me lol
[03:26:48] <charon> how far back is the dump? since last logout?
[03:26:49] <GreatOutdoors> so hook the GreatOutdoors up
[03:27:11] <cmn32480> up to 9999 lines since last disconnect from the bouncer
[03:27:22] <Deucalion> charon, configurable
[03:27:29] <cmn32480> GreatOutdoors, what the magic word?
[03:27:31] <Deucalion> per channel or per network
[03:27:40] <cmn32480> I believe it is per channel
[03:27:47] * n1 doesn't use the bouncer, or the bots ... get off my lawn.
[03:27:49] <cmn32480> but I haven't logged inot the interface in a dogs age
[03:28:09] <charon> well, i think i would like to try it out. can you please set me up too, Deucalion?
[03:28:13] <cmn32480> fucking purists... go sit in the corner with Bytram...
[03:28:49] <GreatOutdoors> Please... with less edity workload for you on top
[03:28:49] <Deucalion> you can config via text in IRC or visit the web GUI to do so as scratches your itch
[03:29:47] <Bytram> <mockanguish> please! I *AM* trying to edit a story atm... enough with the pings/alerts.</mockanguish>
[03:30:02] <Deucalion> Bytram
[03:30:03] <Deucalion> Bytram
[03:30:04] <Deucalion> Bytram
[03:30:04] <Deucalion> Bytram
[03:30:23] <Bytram> . drop kick Deucalion
[03:30:40] * Bytram sees someone who wants to play football? =)
[03:30:51] <cmn32480> ~buzzkill
[03:30:53] <exec> .kick TheMightyBuzzard
[03:31:12] <Bytram> (Nothing happens)
[03:31:20] <cmn32480> i know
[03:31:24] <cmn32480> exec isn't an op
[03:31:29] <Fnord666> ~xyzzy
[03:31:32] <exec> if only I were an editor...
[03:31:36] <Bytram> is like a dog... growling... before it bites?
[03:31:38] <Deucalion> That bastard #fite bot gave me ~90 alerts a few days back. Not best pleased.
[03:31:54] <Fnord666> ~plugh
[03:31:57] <GreatOutdoors> hahaha
[03:32:06] <Deucalion> OK - GreatOutdoors and charon for ZNC right?
[03:32:12] <charon> aye
[03:32:19] <Fnord666> Might as well make it a trifecta
[03:32:31] <Fnord666> It sounds handy.
[03:32:38] <GreatOutdoors> ZNC?
[03:32:42] <Bytram> you shoulda been here when NC (with 9000+ hp was at it with someone else who was temporarily boosted to a similar level)
[03:33:08] <charon> #fite GreatOutdoors
[03:33:08] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[03:33:09] <Bytram> IIRC, it took on the order of 30 minutes for allthe battle to dribble out on #fite, once per second
[03:33:10] <Deucalion> ZNC = bouncer GreatOutdoors.
[03:33:18] <MrPlow> #fite GreatOutdoors falls broken at charon's feet.
[03:33:22] <charon> yes
[03:33:24] <GreatOutdoors> Aha. Yes.
[03:33:29] <GreatOutdoors> crap
[03:33:37] <cmn32480> bytram.. it ran over 2 hours
[03:33:41] <Fnord666> #fite charon
[03:33:41] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[03:33:42] <GreatOutdoors> I have only won like 1 battle so far..
[03:33:45] <MrPlow> #fite charon falls broken at Fnord666's feet.
[03:33:48] <charon> and a notify ping for each line
[03:33:54] <Bytram> okay... sorry but I need to concentrate.
[03:33:56] <charon> damnit fnord
[03:33:59] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:34:15] <cmn32480> .quiet MrPlow
[03:34:15] -!- mode/#editorial [+q *!*@nsa.gov] by Hephaestus
[03:34:16] <Deucalion> .op
[03:34:16] -!- mode/#editorial [+o Deucalion] by Hephaestus
[03:34:49] <cmn32480> sorry juggs.. I steal you thunder?
[03:35:10] <GreatOutdoors> What is +q? Thats a new one to me
[03:35:17] <cmn32480> checking
[03:35:27] <chromas> quiet mode
[03:35:30] <Deucalion> No worries... you can have my thunder... I haz your wife ... TEEHEE!!
[03:36:01] <Deucalion> Oh wait, I'm meant to be doing ZNC not stealing wives...
[03:36:05] <cmn32480> Sets the channel to be quiet. When set, it restricts what is sent to clients who are on the channel. Joins, parts, and nick changes are not broadcast. From the user's point of view, the channel only contains one user (them).
[03:36:41] CoolHand is now known as CoolHand|away
[03:37:17] <GreatOutdoors> oh.
[03:37:51] <Deucalion> You quiet MrPlow... that means no-one but chanops sees their utterances in the chan. i.e. you quiet a user not set quiet or mod on a channel.
[03:37:59] <GreatOutdoors> And someone things the nsa is going to not bounce their signal?
[03:38:22] * Deucalion re-adjusts tin hat
[03:38:47] <GreatOutdoors> Hell, I could be with the NSA, and you are giving me access to your personal bots :)
[03:38:50] <cmn32480> DAMN... coolhand just cost himself 7 days in IdleRPG
[03:41:09] charon is now known as charon_pooping
[03:41:18] <cmn32480> .unquiet MrPlow
[03:41:18] -!- mode/#editorial [-q *!*@nsa.gov] by Hephaestus
[03:47:02] * Deucalion chuckles in the direction of GreatOutdoors - yup
[03:48:19] charon_pooping is now known as charon
[03:48:24] <cmn32480> you ahve access to the public commands.
[03:48:43] <GreatOutdoors> I mean really... who wouldn't want to infiltrate a tech news site that pretty much only reposts other people's stuff and gets mild hits compared to the mainstream media..
[03:49:12] <cmn32480> everybody?
[03:50:01] <GreatOutdoors> cmn32480: Whhat are the public commands?
[03:50:24] <cmn32480> what you see in ~list
[03:50:28] <GreatOutdoors> ahh
[03:50:29] <GreatOutdoors> k
[03:51:27] <GreatOutdoors> brb. Gonna do something mildly productive for a minute... might even edit an article tonight..
[03:51:29] <cmn32480> there are also authenticated commands, which only the admins have access to
[03:51:53] * cmn32480 gave up on that thouhgt eons ago
[03:52:19] <charon> thought you were spending the eve with your wife?
[03:52:22] * Deucalion holds off on ZNC setups
[03:52:38] <cmn32480> walking dead
[03:52:41] <GreatOutdoors> Why? Deucalion
[03:52:43] <chromas> irc is more important
[03:52:54] <cmn32480> no... she's wathcing it
[03:53:54] <cmn32480> and I don't
[03:53:54] <Deucalion> GreatOutdoors, it's going on 4am here and I feel like doing something else right now. Like sleeping :P
[03:54:08] <charon> surefire seduction technique #47: put on some gray face makeup, and sidle up next to her moaning and asking for brains
[03:54:16] <cmn32480> ~gnight Deucalion
[03:54:18] * exec implicitly connects a safe space of testicular torsion to Deucalion
[03:54:23] <Fnord666> ~gnight everybody
[03:54:24] * exec skeptically hangs a trigger warning sign about a slice of source code on everybody
[03:54:46] <charon> night Deucalion
[03:54:57] <Fnord666> night Deucalion
[03:54:58] <charon> night Fnord666
[03:55:25] <GreatOutdoors> k. night
[03:55:25] <Fnord666> night charon GreatOutdoors cmn32480 chromas
[03:55:32] -!- Fnord666 has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[03:55:33] <chromas> g'night
[03:55:46] <GreatOutdoors> He doesn't wait... he just goes..
[03:56:12] <GreatOutdoors> He needs to learn to leave a quit message so its faster.. like: /quit ADIOS!!
[03:56:52] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[03:57:21] <charon> wb bytram, the only editor doing his job tonight
[03:59:33] <cmn32480> nope.. I'm seconding
[04:00:09] <charon> i think tonight shall be a submission night for me
[04:04:03] <n1> teamwork++
[04:04:03] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 120
[04:14:42] <cmn32480> bytram - I am working the Intestine story.. and yeah, it needs some TLC
[04:14:55] <Bytram> understatement++
[04:14:55] <Bender> karma - understatement: 1
[04:15:18] <Bytram> reminds me of reading "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" many many moons ago.
[04:15:28] <Bytram> (yes, pun intended)
[04:16:36] <Bytram> 2nding phone users
[04:17:12] <charon> cmn32480: story making perfect sense. change you nothing
[04:17:36] <Bytram> the fox brown quick the dog lazy over jumps!
[04:20:15] <charon> any chance of creating a new topic? maybe "Health"
[04:20:28] <cmn32480> mostly falls under "Science"
[04:20:47] * Bytram adds journal ref to phone users story
[04:21:01] <charon> yeah, gonna put it there
[04:21:37] <n1> g'night all
[04:21:39] * n1 hat tip
[04:21:44] <charon> night n1
[04:21:46] <Bytram> ~gnight n1
[04:21:48] * exec covertly culturally appropriates a doubly-linked list of chocolate rain from n1
[04:22:24] <Bytram> so that's how they make chocolate covered grasshoppers?
[04:23:02] <GreatOutdoors> cmn and charon are both editing the same story?
[04:24:01] <charon> no, i just glanced at it when he mentioned it
[04:24:47] <cmn32480> !uid
[04:24:47] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6416, owned by LisaMiller
[04:24:56] <cmn32480> hmmm creative name
[04:24:57] <GreatOutdoors> Interesting... This is the name link in an article I just opened to edit: http://tinyurl.com
[04:25:02] <exec> └─ 13'Socialism' the Most Looked-Up Word of 2015 on Merriam-Webster - SoylentNews
[04:25:51] <cmn32480> yes
[04:26:02] <cmn32480> OriginalOwner aka gewg_
[04:26:19] <GreatOutdoors> lol..
[04:26:26] <cmn32480> hated that peope were impersonating him, but refused to use the account that was set up and held for him
[04:26:30] <GreatOutdoors> Did you read the two notes before his post?
[04:26:36] <charon> there was a whole kerfuffle when other ACs started signing gewg_ to their posts
[04:26:39] <cmn32480> I've seen it before
[04:26:40] <GreatOutdoors> Why not?
[04:26:54] <charon> because he's ultra paranoid
[04:26:59] <GreatOutdoors> oh
[04:27:27] <cmn32480> I think the official reason he gave was not wanting to have to deal with ANOTHER set of credentials...
[04:27:50] <GreatOutdoors> he even provided his own dept. line....
[04:28:02] <cmn32480> always does
[04:28:09] <cmn32480> your call to use it or not
[04:28:11] <GreatOutdoors> I have a password keeper... I would be lost without it
[04:28:15] <GreatOutdoors> k
[04:28:41] <cmn32480> just don't get sour when he bitches if you don't use it
[04:28:46] <cmn32480> and he will complain
[04:28:49] <cmn32480> loudly and often
[04:28:50] <Bytram> I'd say we have on the order of 20 or so regular contributors who each have their own, ummm, "styles"
[04:29:02] <cmn32480> nuances?
[04:29:06] <cmn32480> quirks?
[04:29:16] <Bytram> yes
[04:29:20] <cmn32480> needles that they jab into the editor's ass?
[04:29:21] <Bytram> =)
[04:29:23] <GreatOutdoors> lol... If it is appropriate then I'll keep it, but the immediate thought is that it is a bit biased.
[04:29:29] <charon> always is
[04:29:34] <cmn32480> always is
[04:29:35] <Bytram> hey... I'm one of those contributors, yanno?
[04:29:46] <Bytram> or are you poking fun at me?
[04:29:49] <cmn32480> your needle is there too
[04:29:55] <cmn32480> I found it in the haystack
[04:30:01] <Bytram> EYE see what you did there
[04:31:35] <cmn32480> bytram - take a look over that intestine story pleae
[04:31:52] <cmn32480> I think I got all the english corrected, but I need a nother set of eyes if you don't mind
[04:32:35] <Bytram> in a few minutes.. finishing up a sub atm
[04:32:44] <cmn32480> much obliged
[04:32:55] <Bytram> s/sub/cleaning up a sub/
[04:32:55] <sedctl> <Bytram> in a few minutes.. finishing up a cleaning up a sub atm
[04:32:57] <exec> <Bytram> in a few minutes.. finishing up a cleaning up a sub atm
[04:33:06] <Bytram> STEREO!
[04:33:13] <cmn32480> and yes, gents, we do ask each other to specifically take a look at things.
[04:33:22] <cmn32480> with better regularity than charon_pooping
[04:33:51] <charon> damnit, i did get a ping that time
[04:34:21] <GreatOutdoors> I am backing out of the greece article... I'll let someone else have it.. I just don't see how it is tech related at all, and an old person dying isn't really news to me...
[04:34:36] <charon> the other night i got a ping when the story about pluto and it's moon went up and bender reported it
[04:34:44] <GreatOutdoors> lol
[04:34:55] <cmn32480> lol
[04:35:04] -!- sedctl [sedctl!~sedctl@0::1] has parted #editorial
[04:35:37] <cmn32480> GreatOutdoors, you were looking at the Greece CIA article?
[04:35:45] <cmn32480> been sitting for like 2 weeks in the queue?
[04:36:39] <GreatOutdoors> yeah
[04:36:48] <GreatOutdoors> How do I leave a note?
[04:37:03] <GreatOutdoors> I can type it, but no save... or do I have to open the article?
[04:37:27] <Bytram> which page are you on?
[04:37:42] <cmn32480> if you do it in the sub list, you click "new Note" put youtr note in and use the update button at the bottom of the page
[04:37:57] <cmn32480> don't sweat it.. the article si gone
[04:38:07] <GreatOutdoors> Oh yeah.. I remember you telling me about the update botton... way the F*ck down there..
[04:38:19] <cmn32480> correct
[04:38:32] <cmn32480> and the article you were talking about has been consigned to the ether for all time
[04:39:37] <cmn32480> editing the 1967 satellite
[04:39:46] <GreatOutdoors> good... Glad I wasn't the only one that didn't find it newsworthy.
[04:40:01] <cmn32480> we haven't found it newsworthy for 2 weeks...
[04:40:24] <GreatOutdoors> Editing the trump/colbert (reading it anyway)
[04:40:39] <chromas> Hold all the junk submissions and post 'em on april 1 :D
[04:41:07] <GreatOutdoors> Apr 1 is supposed to be funny... that would just suck
[04:41:22] <Bytram> saved great giant valley
[04:41:22] <charon> it died a death of neglect
[04:42:17] <Bytram> in Book review
[04:42:41] <cmn32480> satellite @ 0612
[04:43:01] <GreatOutdoors> Colbert one is going the same way.....
[04:43:23] <cmn32480> let me look at it before you bin it
[04:43:23] <Bytram> cmn32480: question: title of a book... "title" or title
[04:43:37] <cmn32480> title
[04:43:41] <cmn32480> I believe
[04:43:42] <Bytram> kthns
[04:44:02] <charon> <blink>title</blink>
[04:44:13] <cmn32480> #smake charon
[04:44:13] * MrPlow smakes charon upside the head with a 2x4
[04:44:31] <charon> oh wait... <marquee>
[04:45:01] <charon> man, i forget the syntax of that... is it a closed tag?
[04:45:45] <cmn32480> Standing Rock Seconded
[04:46:39] <cmn32480> Mercury's Butt 2nded
[04:47:11] <charon> uh, do we want to maybe merge the two gewg_ standing rock stories?
[04:47:19] <cmn32480> it shoudl be from the mercury's-butt dept.
[04:47:39] <cmn32480> what 2 standing rock stories
[04:47:58] <charon> the one you just did, and the one i did earlier today
[04:48:21] <charon> numbers 6 and 12
[04:48:47] <cmn32480> shit
[04:48:53] <cmn32480> bytram - thoguhts?
[04:49:22] <Bytram> huh?
[04:49:36] <cmn32480> 2 standing rock pipeline stories
[04:49:46] <Bytram> urrrg.
[04:49:54] <cmn32480> no.. gewg_
[04:50:00] <Bytram> ROFL!
[04:50:01] <charon> heh
[04:50:18] <cmn32480> do we carre enouhgt to do the work to merge them after in the queue?
[04:50:30] <cmn32480> or kust let them ride as tehy are 2 separate incidents at the same lace
[04:50:33] <Bytram> were both from gewg_?
[04:50:40] <charon> yes
[04:51:15] <charon> i'd be fine to prune the one i edited down so to make it short enough to merge
[04:51:23] <Bytram> schedule mine later (increase time between them) and reference back at the other one?
[04:51:31] <Bytram> nah
[04:51:33] <Bytram> tooo much work
[04:51:36] <GreatOutdoors> Decided not to edit anything tonight.. I keep finding crap articles, lol...
[04:51:44] <Bytram> I'll fix mine..
[04:51:45] <cmn32480> happens
[04:51:46] <Bytram> brb
[04:52:00] <cmn32480> bytram - set it out 24hours and roll w/ it?
[04:53:33] <Bytram> could do that
[04:53:41] <cmn32480> I'll handle it
[04:53:49] <cmn32480> no extra work needed
[04:55:01] <Bytram> there is now a gap where that story was: 11/24 01:18
[04:55:08] <cmn32480> I got it
[04:55:13] <cmn32480> stop moving stories
[04:55:17] <cmn32480> I will fix
[04:55:51] <Bytram> I was in it afore you -- added link to the other rock story, and changed time while I was at it
[04:56:15] <Bytram> am out of it, now.
[04:56:24] <cmn32480> I am going to put in a p666 story in the hole
[04:56:35] <Bytram> I meant the story, but am kind of out of it in other ways, too, atm. :)
[04:56:38] <cmn32480> the BAE systems story
[04:56:41] <Bytram> nod nod
[04:57:16] <Bytram> that's all I got folks... time for me to hit the hay.
[04:57:25] <charon> night bytram
[04:57:35] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[04:57:37] * exec carefully formulates a sacful of santorum for bytram
[04:57:38] <Bytram> ~gnight cmn32480
[04:57:38] <Bytram> ~gnight charon
[04:57:39] <cmn32480> I will follow shortly
[04:57:41] * exec inadequately crossbreeds a cube of caffeinated bacon with cmn32480
[04:57:46] <Bytram> ~gnight GreatOutdoors
[04:57:48] <cmn32480> to my own bed.. bot yours
[04:58:01] <Bytram> don't let the bed bots bite!
[04:58:13] <Bytram> ;)
[04:58:16] <charon> ow
[04:58:23] <GreatOutdoors> Night
[04:58:36] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[05:00:52] <cmn32480> aight fellas... I'm done
[05:00:55] <cmn32480> ~gnight charon
[05:00:57] * exec sexually launches a handful of Johnny Moo Milk Drops toward charon
[05:00:59] <cmn32480> ~gnight GreatOutdoors
[05:01:01] * exec explicitly instantiates a petabyte of a generic insult for GreatOutdoors
[05:01:06] <charon> ~gnight cmn32480
[05:01:08] * exec carefully scissors a terabyte of contentment for cmn32480
[05:01:11] <cmn32480> and I'm glad that you knuckleheads are on board
[05:01:32] <charon> i'm glad to have such questionable guidance
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[14:06:10] * cmn32480 must admit, having all these extra hands tossing stuff into the queue is excellent
[14:09:05] zz_janrinok is now known as janrinok
[14:09:59] <janrinok> Hi guys
[14:10:09] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[14:10:11] * exec hideously ships a hemp bag of horseradish with janrinok
[14:10:25] <janrinok> cmn32480, I thought you were going to be missing in action today
[14:10:30] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[14:10:31] * exec sardonically blows a wagon of cheesy poofs at cmn32480
[14:10:33] <cmn32480> yestrerday
[14:10:44] <cmn32480> and tomorrow
[14:10:55] <cmn32480> unless I slept all the way through yesterday adn today is Thursday
[14:10:56] <janrinok> I thought it was for the entire holidy
[14:12:03] <cmn32480> I couldn't leave youa lone that long
[14:12:10] <cmn32480> you'd get yourself in trouble
[14:12:29] * cmn32480 wagers that S woudl verify this statement
[14:12:49] <janrinok> prolly - I logged on this am and posted a few more stories for tomorrow, and rearranged some timings.
[14:13:32] <janrinok> yes she probably would
[14:13:38] <cmn32480> the deck chairs?
[14:13:46] <janrinok> sort of
[14:14:10] <cmn32480> I added all the FNG to the ~eds command
[14:14:15] <janrinok> today seemed a mix of 90min and 120min timings
[14:14:16] <cmn32480> but only in their normal incarnation
[14:14:26] <cmn32480> depends who pushed the story
[14:14:33] <janrinok> but then I realised that not everyone would have seen my message to ~eds
[14:14:47] <cmn32480> push today to 2 hours?
[14:14:57] <janrinok> FNG?
[14:15:03] <cmn32480> Fuckin' New Guys
[14:15:07] <janrinok> lol
[14:15:36] <janrinok> today and until we start getting regular subs again
[14:15:43] <cmn32480> 10-4
[14:15:58] * cmn32480 marks his calendar for quarter past next october
[14:16:11] <janrinok> at 25 o'clock
[14:16:32] <cmn32480> precisely
[14:16:56] <janrinok> I've not seen all the FNGs on prod yet
[14:17:14] <cmn32480> fnord, char on, I think are the only ones
[14:17:36] <janrinok> so greatoutdors,caffeine and snow still missing
[14:17:56] <cmn32480> GO was trying last night
[14:18:02] <cmn32480> but kept pulling gewg subs
[14:18:16] <janrinok> You might have missed my message yesterday that Gaaark has asked to wait until the New Year to start training
[14:18:22] <cmn32480> saw it
[14:18:26] <janrinok> k
[14:18:42] <janrinok> AH I've not heard of for quite a few days
[14:18:57] <cmn32480> GO wanted to push stuff last night, but was having a rough time wiht the non-tech gewg_ subs
[14:19:04] <cmn32480> me neither
[14:19:06] <janrinok> although she did make an appearance on dev, but no actual attempts at processing a story
[14:19:19] <cmn32480> you sent a note... and now we let it lie for a bit over the holiday
[14:19:28] <janrinok> yep, zactly
[14:19:45] <cmn32480> for any that you haven't heard form recently, Id suggest that course
[14:20:03] <cmn32480> Thanksgiving is a big travel holiday... so many will be gone
[14:20:35] <janrinok> how's J and the family
[14:21:00] <cmn32480> J is sleeping
[14:21:06] <janrinok> sensible girl
[14:21:06] <cmn32480> kids are at my parents house
[14:21:22] <cmn32480> where we may decide to follow the schedule adn pick them up tomorrow... and maybe not
[14:21:25] <janrinok> ah, yes, the great silence
[14:21:43] <cmn32480> it is lovely quiet
[14:21:58] <janrinok> make the most of it, it won't last long
[14:22:12] <cmn32480> I know... I'm on here chatting w/ you.. isn't that making the most of it?
[14:22:13] <janrinok> ... not that you would really want it to, either
[14:22:28] * cmn32480 looks away and whistles a tune
[14:22:30] <janrinok> hardly, but I'll accept it
[14:23:19] <janrinok> I haven't backread yet - the new guys doing OK yesterday evening?
[14:23:36] <cmn32480> yes
[14:23:41] <cmn32480> ther wa a LOT to backread
[14:23:48] <cmn32480> you want the short version?
[14:23:55] <janrinok> if you want
[14:24:16] <cmn32480> Audio is setting up emails, might have finally fixed coolhand's,
[14:24:37] <cmn32480> Deucal was taking ZNC requests... they didn't really understand what it was
[14:24:53] <cmn32480> we splaned.. and they still don't completely get it, but will once they is on
[14:25:11] <janrinok> I was going to give the new guys a few days to find their feet, but if everything is pushing ahead it's no problem
[14:25:28] <cmn32480> i had to .quiet mrplow, becasue somebody brought #fite traffic in here
[14:25:51] <janrinok> good move, quietening it
[14:26:01] <cmn32480> so questions regarding how to handle the gewg non-tech stuff
[14:26:15] <cmn32480> I unquieted him shortly after
[14:26:16] <janrinok> I don't mind the banter but I don't want all the other stuff to start on here as well
[14:26:19] <cmn32480> they got the point
[14:27:56] <janrinok> P666 has dropped a pile of stories again :) - I'll intersperse them with Arthur's from Hold
[14:28:16] <cmn32480> I keep forgetting arthur has stuff in hold
[14:28:54] <janrinok> can you encourage the FNG to work with Hold as well as direct subs - they need to get used to using his stuff which requires more work than everything but a Gewg__ post
[14:29:19] <cmn32480> lolI shall
[14:29:31] <janrinok> Tomorrow I'll move all of Hold back onto the main queue
[14:30:04] <janrinok> but I don't want to deter anyone who wishes to make some subs today
[14:30:09] <cmn32480> ~eds Don't forget that there are a bunch of Arthur's subs in the hold queue I did and janrinok abused his power as EiC to slap my hand.
[14:30:10] <exec> editor ping for cmn32480 (reason: don't forget that there are a bunch of arthur's subs in the hold queue i did and janrinok abused his power as eic to slap my hand.): janrinok zz_janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away Fnord666 charon GreatOutdoors FatPhil Snow goodie mrpg
[14:30:35] <janrinok> lol
[14:30:40] <cmn32480> that about cover it?
[14:31:45] <janrinok> we've currently got 36 subs queued, lose about a dozen for crap, and that gives us 2 clear days at 120min spacing
[14:31:56] <cmn32480> yeah
[14:32:05] <cmn32480> I;m working on the gewg voting machine one
[14:32:08] <cmn32480> yeesh
[14:32:39] <cmn32480> this line got left out
[14:32:39] <cmn32480> Their group told Podesta and Elias that while they had not found any evidence of hacking, the pattern needs to be looked at by an independent review.>/p>
[14:32:47] <janrinok> I don't reckon much to the medical updates on the injured protester - what is there to discuss?
[14:33:04] <cmn32480> unknown
[14:33:29] <cmn32480> but I generally don't question bytram's story selection
[14:33:29] <janrinok> the injury has already been reported, it just looks like left wing stirring to me
[14:33:43] <janrinok> no, it is still in the queue
[14:33:50] <cmn32480> it has to do with unarmed protesters getting hit w/ tear gas, water cannons, etc
[14:34:01] <cmn32480> story or sub?
[14:34:13] <janrinok> yes but gewg has issued a follow up describing her medical condition in the sub queue
[14:35:29] <cmn32480> the one in the sub queue is complete tripe
[14:35:39] <janrinok> zactly
[14:35:48] <cmn32480> I am in it and will shitcan
[14:35:58] <janrinok> the initial report in the story queue is fine
[14:35:59] <cmn32480> done
[14:36:03] <janrinok> thx
[14:36:17] <janrinok> I'll bet you didn't post a reason with that...
[14:36:27] <cmn32480> gewg.. not registered.. don't need one
[14:37:34] <janrinok> I deleted one story with a bitly link that was not to do with the story. Forgotten who subbed it now but I sent a reason
[14:37:50] <cmn32480> excellent
[14:38:00] <cmn32480> if it was a good story, we shoudl have puleld the link
[14:38:04] <janrinok> a fairly high member number in the 6400s and it was his only post
[14:38:08] CoolHand|away is now known as CoolHand
[14:38:20] * cmn32480 wonders why Coolhand marked himself away
[14:38:44] <CoolHand> cmn32480: ?
[14:38:53] <janrinok> ... because he wasn't here?
[14:38:57] <janrinok> ~gday CoolHand
[14:38:58] <cmn32480> idlerpg hates taht stuff
[14:39:00] * exec provocatively pairs a fartbox of buttered toast with CoolHand
[14:39:05] <cmn32480> ~gday coolhand
[14:39:06] * exec theoretically instantiates an attack helicopter of phantom power for coolhand
[14:39:13] <CoolHand> I quit playing idlerpg yesterday... so I can use away
[14:39:21] <cmn32480> but keep in mind, I'm still on my first cup of coffee++
[14:39:28] <CoolHand> since u were lecturing the new eds on its importance
[14:39:33] <CoolHand> I wanted to get iwth the team
[14:39:43] <CoolHand> jump on the bus
[14:39:48] <janrinok> lol - well, you did ask cmn
[14:40:06] <cmn32480> WE HAVE A BUS?????
[14:40:13] <cmn32480> I call dibs for my next vacation!
[14:40:20] <CoolHand> bus bus, magic bus
[14:40:21] <janrinok> oh, I thought that said bust
[14:40:40] <cmn32480> I was asking if they were gonna do it, and if they were, what were tehy gonna use
[14:40:46] <cmn32480> nobody was listening
[14:40:49] <CoolHand> http://www.nofurthur.com
[14:40:51] <janrinok> I was going to try and pull eic rank and play with it first
[14:41:08] <cmn32480> SWEET!!!!
[14:41:24] <cmn32480> that think is big enough we can out fit it for S and all my kids... and you can hit the road janrinok
[14:41:27] <janrinok> that's one hella bus
[14:42:04] <CoolHand> that's the bus that started the hippy movement...
[14:42:09] <janrinok> I'll be upstairs with the girlie groupies
[14:42:13] <CoolHand> the merry prankster's "further"
[14:42:43] <cmn32480> just be careful if you smell the paneling.. ther is so much THC baked inot it you will get high
[14:42:53] <CoolHand> http://www.nofurthur.com
[14:42:55] <exec> └─ 13NoFurthur No Furthur.. Further
[14:43:55] <CoolHand> ..and it was cowboy neal at the wheel of a bus to never ever land... (grateful dead)
[14:44:41] <CoolHand> I'll get u guys hippy-educated yet... :)
[14:45:33] <CoolHand> cowboy neal - http://www.beatmuseum.org
[14:45:36] <exec> └─ 13Neal Cassady - bio and links
[14:45:49] * cmn32480 cuts his almost non-existent hair on principle and mutters somethign abotu damn dirty hippies
[14:46:00] <CoolHand> lol
[14:48:15] <cmn32480> I am sorely tempted to make the dept line on gewg_'s voting machine story "from the soros'-programmers-screwed-up dept"
[14:48:31] <janrinok> go for it
[14:50:18] <janrinok> I've just added another story - make sure you check the release times
[14:50:34] <cmn32480> I did
[14:50:44] <cmn32480> preview is always the last button you hit before saving
[14:50:59] <cmn32480> the above has been beaten inot all my charges with no mercy
[14:52:14] <cmn32480> janrinok - on the fake news merge
[14:52:20] <janrinok> yep?
[14:52:26] <cmn32480> the last line is [...]<text
[14:52:31] <janrinok> looking
[14:52:41] <cmn32480> is that from one of the articles, and ought it to be in one of the blockquotes?
[14:53:18] <janrinok> ah, should be in the blockquote
[14:53:24] <cmn32480> ok
[14:53:27] <cmn32480> want me to fix?
[14:53:30] <janrinok> yes please
[14:53:57] <janrinok> I took out all of the Trump bits, although they remain in the original source of course
[14:54:55] <cmn32480> how about from the peeling-the-onion dept
[14:55:19] <janrinok> if you want - I have no great attraction to my poor attempt
[14:55:24] <cmn32480> and I agree on pulling all the trunmp bits
[14:55:49] <cmn32480> fake news is seconded
[14:56:22] <janrinok> lol - you got the date wrong on your story - I'll fix it when I 2nd it!
[14:56:42] <cmn32480> I was only off by 24 hours!
[14:57:08] <cmn32480> I dind't know where the queue was.. so I pushed it out... then frogot to un push it
[14:57:36] <janrinok> if they made you got back to work 24 hours early, I'll bet you would complain
[14:57:49] * janrinok notes that he would too!
[14:57:57] <cmn32480> it's kinda like this: http://s.mlkshk-cdn.com
[14:58:28] <janrinok> lol!
[14:59:20] <janrinok> isn't it a bit late to be querying the vote count in the US - not understanding your system and electoral college
[14:59:29] <cmn32480> no
[14:59:35] <janrinok> fairy snuff
[14:59:51] <cmn32480> the electoral college doens't meet until December 19(?)
[15:00:18] <janrinok> I can imagine the peace and respectful acceptance that would follow a recount that shows Hillary won...
[15:00:35] <cmn32480> up until they meet and cast their votes for the president, (which is the actual official results), the vote counts can change and force them to flip flop who they are voting for depending on their state laws
[15:00:58] <cmn32480> the riots woudl be even worse
[15:01:44] <janrinok> mind you - it would prompt a _serious_ rethink of the system
[15:02:37] <cmn32480> 2 elections in the last 20 years have had the president win w/o winningthe popular vote
[15:03:01] <cmn32480> it is only the 5th time in the country's history that it has happened
[15:03:06] <CoolHand> I'd love for the electoral college to pick Hillary, but pretty sure there'd be rednecks pulling guns out
[15:03:45] <cmn32480> they woudl need somethign like 30 electors to change sides
[15:04:09] <cmn32480> faithless electors, I think is the official term
[15:04:13] <CoolHand> yep
[15:04:25] <janrinok> A lot of people in the UK believe that Trump is interfering with UK politics by asking for Farage as Ambassador. The ambassador gets picked by the UK diplomatic service, not the country he is going to serve in
[15:04:33] <cmn32480> this time around, they may get 5 or 6, but no way they will get enough
[15:04:52] <cmn32480> he can ask
[15:04:56] <CoolHand> yeah.. if it DID happen, there'd be plenty of motivation on both sides of the aisle to get a better system though...
[15:04:57] <janrinok> still, it's like picking at a wound somewhat
[15:05:00] <cmn32480> doesn't mean they have to give him what he wants
[15:05:24] <cmn32480> I'll be honest, the system works pretty well
[15:05:43] <cmn32480> the biggest issue is that ifg you get rid of the electoral college, the population centers would rule the country
[15:05:48] <janrinok> No he can't ask - it has nothing to do with him. Diplomatic posts are not political over here
[15:06:35] <CoolHand> no, the president would be elected by all the people.. as he should be IMHO.. the power of the population centers would still be distilled by congress (specifically the senate)
[15:06:59] <janrinok> we don't change our ambassadors when the UK or foreign government change - they are part of an independent diplomatic service that serves the currently elected govt.
[15:07:09] <CoolHand> I've never once in my life cast a presidential vote that counts for something, because I live in a state that is predominantly conservative... it'd be nice if my vote counted...
[15:07:23] <janrinok> how do you feel about that CoolHand
[15:07:26] <cmn32480> coolhand - I am in the same boat
[15:07:35] <cmn32480> but think it through
[15:08:28] <cmn32480> if it was by popular vote only, the rural areas will get virtually ignored, due to requiring more stops , and more $$$ to get the message in front of the same number of people
[15:08:49] <cmn32480> the population centers will get the lions share of the time, on a $ per vote basis.
[15:09:25] <CoolHand> ok... six of one half dozen of the other to the way it is now... my whole state gets ignored generally, b/c of the way it votes consistently
[15:09:26] <janrinok> well, maybe, unless you asked people to vote based on your party's policies.
[15:09:41] <cmn32480> removing it also largely favors the left side of the spectrum as urban centers are typically more liberal
[15:09:57] <janrinok> then there is no need to race around the country trying to court the locals wherever you are
[15:09:59] <cmn32480> janrinok - you taking drugs again?
[15:10:11] <janrinok> I wish
[15:10:24] <CoolHand> ideally there'd be a new system that supported multiple parties a lot better...
[15:10:38] <janrinok> proportional representation
[15:10:40] <cmn32480> by multiple I assume you mean more than 2?
[15:10:59] <CoolHand> the influence of the big cities liberalism could be somewhat dampened by the multitued of liberal parties that could then be competitive
[15:11:09] <CoolHand> s/multitued/multitude
[15:11:17] <cmn32480> we read typo here
[15:11:25] * cmn32480 is fluent
[15:11:29] <CoolHand> we know.. :)
[15:11:36] <janrinok> lol
[15:15:04] <cmn32480> it woudl be great if we had 4 or 5 or 6 viable political parties.. but until the current duopoly gets broken, it'll never happen
[15:15:19] <cmn32480> that starts with the committee on presidential debates adn goes all the way down the chain
[15:16:59] <CoolHand> yeah... I just think when electing the president for EVERYONE, then EVERYONE should get a vote.. I really think that makes sense..
[15:17:18] <janrinok> I can't argue against that
[15:17:47] <cmn32480> i don't disagree
[15:18:34] <CoolHand> so.... no more electoral college then..... :D
[15:18:53] <janrinok> I'll have to read up on how Electoral Colleges are _intended_ to work, to then know enough to identify _why_ they don't currently work
[15:19:10] <janrinok> or, at least, as it appears to an outsider
[15:19:47] <cmn32480> they don't currently work because only 2 states give proportional votes
[15:19:53] <cmn32480> Maine and somebody esle
[15:20:08] <cmn32480> and that is determined by state law
[15:20:14] <CoolHand> all states having proportional votes would be better
[15:20:29] <cmn32480> I agree
[15:20:44] <CoolHand> but I still think direct vote (for president ONLY) would be better..
[15:21:31] <cmn32480> there is some treaty between states that was started after the Bush/Gore election that has all signitories giving all their electoral votes to the popular vote winner once there are enough signitories to cover all the needed electoral votes
[15:22:01] <cmn32480> but only like 12(?) states are signed on to it, and they have about 160 electoral votes
[15:22:18] <janrinok> brb-5 - got to marinate the chicken
[15:22:38] <cmn32480> I suppose that is better than him choking is chicken
[15:22:50] <CoolHand> hmm.. I didn't hear about that "treaty"... interesting
[15:24:38] <cmn32480> https://en.wikipedia.org
[15:24:40] <exec> └─ 13National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia
[15:25:12] <cmn32480> you iwll note that the signitories of this treaty all fall on the left
[15:25:49] <CoolHand> well, how'd the Repubs get that through... :)
[15:26:45] <CoolHand> actually Michigan and Pennsylvania are in it but "pending" those were two big swing states for Trump..
[15:26:55] <cmn32480> right
[15:27:09] <cmn32480> and two states where tehy are taling about demanding recounts
[15:27:16] <cmn32480> becasue of the computerized voting
[15:27:59] * cmn32480 wonders what the time restriction on recounts is
[15:30:57] <CoolHand> hmmm. that article has a point that some believe the EC favors population centers... I can see both points.. "Others, however, believe that since most states award electoral votes on a winner-takes-all system, the potential of populous states to shift greater numbers of electoral votes gives them more actual clout"
[15:31:53] <cmn32480> the whole system rewards the population centers
[15:32:27] <cmn32480> the only way to undo that is splitting the votes by the result of the popular vote
[15:33:29] <cmn32480> so if you have 10 elecetoral votes in a state, and 40% of the pupulation votes one way, 50% votes a second, and 10% votes a thiird, the votes get split 4, 5, and 1
[15:34:05] <cmn32480> sadly the only states that will ever consider this, are states that are on the fence
[15:34:15] <cmn32480> california fall heavy democrat
[15:34:19] <cmn32480> woudl NEVER do it
[15:34:25] <cmn32480> the whole left coast
[15:34:34] <cmn32480> Maryland, New York
[15:34:37] <cmn32480> same
[15:34:50] <cmn32480> Texas on the other side of the columns
[15:36:40] <CoolHand> yah
[15:37:37] <CoolHand> ok.. i'm politic'ed out... I'm going back to reading hippy stuff... or maybe some sports stuff
[15:37:40] <CoolHand> haha
[15:37:43] <cmn32480> lol
[15:37:50] <cmn32480> Yay local sports team!
[15:38:28] <CoolHand> exactly :)
[15:38:46] <cmn32480> I too am politic'd out
[15:38:53] * cmn32480 thinks he's gonna play some doom
[15:39:46] <cmn32480> which looks kinda like to political l;andsacape
[15:48:20] <CoolHand> haha
[15:50:37] <janrinok> back - a bit late, but nursey arrived too#
[15:58:39] <n1_> ahoy
[16:03:35] <janrinok> n1_, good day sir
[16:04:02] <janrinok> just backreading your rebellious talk with the new guys last night :)
[16:04:33] <n1_> lol
[16:04:57] <janrinok> We train slightly differently now, and they wouldn't normally get the extras like znc and sn email until they had proven themselves on here - but no matter, I don't see any problems with the current group
[16:05:21] <CoolHand> I finally got my sn mail going...
[16:05:27] <CoolHand> :)
[16:05:39] <janrinok> so I heard - you are a happy bunny now!
[16:05:40] <n1_> janrinok, i figure if they had access on prod, then it's already too late
[16:05:43] * CoolHand is getting ready to head to lunch... may be back sometime
[16:05:48] <CoolHand> ttyl all
[16:05:55] CoolHand is now known as CoolHand_away
[16:05:56] <n1_> laters, CoolHand
[16:06:05] <janrinok> well, it is on the site, but it gives them access elsewhere too
[16:06:12] -!- SoylentSnow [SoylentSnow!~4ac81ad4@540.04.038-02.q7.net] has joined #editorial
[16:06:29] <janrinok> anyway, doesn't matter with this lot, so no problems
[16:06:55] <janrinok> Has your Dominator been dominating your dreams n1_ ?
[16:07:28] <cmn32480> sounds kinky
[16:07:36] <n1_> it's going to be a while before i get it, so unless i get an email saying order cancelled, i'm not going to think about it
[16:07:39] <janrinok> well, he's like that...
[16:07:44] <n1_> because then i have to think about the new backpack i have to buy too now
[16:08:21] <cmn32480> for all your new computer parts
[16:08:43] <janrinok> sunglasses for the flashing keyboard lights etc ...
[16:09:06] <SoylentSnow> @N1_ did you get your order streightened out yesterday?
[16:09:09] <janrinok> fingerless gloves to make him look like a real gamer
[16:09:27] <janrinok> ~gday SoylentSnow
[16:09:28] * exec whole-heartedly internalizes a buttload of F-bombs in SoylentSnow
[16:09:35] <SoylentSnow> 'mornin
[16:09:37] <n1_> SoylentSnow, some hours later i did!
[16:09:59] <n1_> after a while they refunded me with store credit, had to go to customer support to cancel the previous uncompleted orders
[16:10:03] <n1_> then used the store credit
[16:10:06] <janrinok> nearly time to go and start cooking dinner.
[16:10:18] <SoylentSnow> Yey, that's still pretty annoying. I'm glad to hear everything worked out!
[16:10:33] * janrinok remembers swapping dinner stories with n1_ - but we are out of time sync now
[16:10:40] <SoylentSnow> Jan, wehre do you live?
[16:10:49] <janrinok> I'm a brit living in France
[16:10:59] <SoylentSnow> ahh, cool
[16:11:12] <janrinok> bloody freezing today, actually
[16:11:27] <SoylentSnow> so... like what? +5?
[16:11:30] * cmn32480 passes a parka
[16:12:05] <SoylentSnow> It's -8 where I am (Canada)
[16:12:09] <janrinok> first thing this morning it was just above freezing, but it has warmed up to 10C now, well it has just started cooling down again
[16:12:17] <SoylentSnow> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[16:12:25] <janrinok> you win on the chilly chart
[16:12:54] <SoylentSnow> It's probably more humid where you are thouhgh, so that makes things colder...
[16:13:03] <janrinok> I spent a bit of time in Newfoundland and Russia, I know what cold is ...
[16:13:05] <cmn32480> you enjoying all those refugees from the US election SoylentSnow?
[16:13:18] <SoylentSnow> haha, nah, the americans are all talk, no action
[16:13:27] <janrinok> fortunately for Canada :)
[16:13:32] <SoylentSnow> they just crash our immigration website, then go back to watching NFL
[16:13:36] <cmn32480> I can dream...
[16:13:46] <janrinok> gtg - back in a hour or 2
[16:13:49] <SoylentSnow> c ya
[16:13:53] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[16:27:39] <cmn32480> ach.. you are soylentsnow.. not jsut snow...
[16:27:49] <cmn32480> dangit.. I'll go fix exec
[16:28:09] <cmn32480> after this rune challenge
[16:32:55] <SoylentSnow> I can just be snow
[16:33:21] <SoylentSnow> It's cool. When I initiall joined this server, I dind't realize it was dedicated to soylent news.
[16:33:30] SoylentSnow is now known as Snow
[16:33:41] <cmn32480> up to you changing exec is easy
[16:33:46] <cmn32480> just a line in the text file
[16:33:51] <Snow> I'll be just Snow for consistancy
[16:34:03] <cmn32480> ok
[16:52:15] NotSanguine|abed is now known as NotSanguine
[16:53:24] <NotSanguine> hey folks. I know I haven't been around a lot recently. Lots of craziness. Will be away for a few days for the holiday, but will jump in with both feet when I get back.
[16:53:35] <NotSanguine> I hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving!
[16:54:00] NotSanguine is now known as NotSanguine|eating
[17:47:05] -!- Fnord666 [Fnord666!~Fnord666@Soylent/Staff/Editor/Fnord666] has joined #editorial
[17:47:05] -!- mode/#editorial [+v Fnord666] by Hephaestus
[17:58:26] <Fnord666> ~gday everyone
[17:58:27] * exec ceremoniously culturally appropriates a cold can of the Gilligan's Island theme song from everyone
[18:07:32] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[18:07:40] <janrinok> ~gday Fnord666
[18:07:41] * exec slowly terrorizes a 5¼" floppy disk of tama lama ding dongs with Fnord666
[18:08:17] <Fnord666> Good afternoon
[18:08:56] <Fnord666> Just reading through the logs to see what happened overnight
[18:09:11] <janrinok> how's things? and congratulations on your first story going public
[18:09:53] <janrinok> https://soylentnews.org
[18:09:55] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: Authors
[18:10:14] <Fnord666> Doing well. Yourself?
[18:10:22] <Fnord666> And thank you!
[18:11:08] <janrinok> yes, we are over 24hrs ahead and have enough stories to get us through the next 3 days, runs a bit thin on Saturday at present
[18:13:16] <Fnord666> How does that stand compared to a normal day or a holiday weekend?
[18:13:50] <Fnord666> In other words what should we be shooting for in the story queue?
[18:15:00] <janrinok> normally we would be posting tomorrows stories today, but we are trying to prefill as much as possible because we don't know how much our US team will be able to contribute over the holiday period
[18:15:57] <janrinok> we are also going for 120 min spacing (approx) to keep the requirement for too many subs down to a minimum
[18:17:04] <janrinok> if we have more than we need, we can always fill gaps and retime the existing stories
[18:17:43] <Fnord666> I saw mention of the timing in the logs.
[18:18:23] <Fnord666> How does ~ eds work? I assume its to get a message to all of us.
[18:22:16] <janrinok> yes, but it has to be at the start of the line thus: ~eds - but don't use it for general chit chat, just for notifying all eds of things that they need
[18:22:38] <janrinok> to know to do their jobs or helps manage how we operate.
[18:23:35] <Fnord666> I didn't want to accidently send a message. :-)
[18:23:45] <janrinok> fair enough
[18:24:03] <Fnord666> That's just in IRC though, correct?
[18:24:09] <janrinok> yes
[18:25:18] <janrinok> we all have SN emails - or we all will have soon if they haven't yet been set up. So for other communication involving the who team we have that method available to us. There is a 'team' address - which I forget at the moment, we tend to do most things on here.
[18:25:49] <janrinok> whole team*
[18:28:30] <janrinok> if you take a look at the story queue, and go back a few weeks, you will see how busy a few editors have been, and it has been like that for quite some time. The spread of editors has already made it much easier for all concerned.
[18:29:21] <janrinok> thurs Nov 10 - every story was pushed out by martyb!
[18:32:26] <Fnord666> Wow.
[18:33:30] <Fnord666> I'll have to remember to check the logs until the bouncer gets set up.
[18:33:45] <Fnord666> only way I have right now to see what I missed
[18:35:39] <janrinok> bouncer is very very useful - I know not everybody uses it, but I couldn't stay on top of what is going on if I can't back read what happens when I'm away
[18:38:23] <Fnord666> Otherwise I would think we would end up having the same discussions over and over.
[18:39:02] <janrinok> or just not realise that something has been changed and we each end up going in slightly different directions
[18:39:31] <Fnord666> exactly
[18:39:49] <cmn32480> we have the same discussion over and over because he is forgetfulll not becasue of or lack of the bouncer
[18:40:02] <janrinok> sorry, have we met?
[18:40:05] <cmn32480> no
[18:40:14] <cmn32480> I'm a figment of your magination
[18:40:24] <janrinok> must have been another idiot with a similar nick, then
[18:40:33] <cmn32480> likely
[18:41:09] <janrinok> turkey, cranberries, and all the bits ready for tomorrow?
[18:41:47] <cmn32480> Fnord666 - depending on how far back you go.. you will see a number of days wher martyb pushed everything, or janrinok, or me or nick/n1, laminatorX...
[18:42:10] <cmn32480> most of us that have been here when the ranks of eds were thin have done it... and it is NOT pleasant or quick
[18:42:17] <janrinok> and after a few weeks like that, you get very very tired...
[18:42:23] <cmn32480> yeah
[18:42:31] <Fnord666> i could definitely see that
[18:42:43] <cmn32480> janrinok - no idea.. my Mom is doing the cooking... we are hoping the turkey isn't flavored w/ sawdust this year
[18:43:10] <cmn32480> some years her turkey is so dry it sprouts tunbleweeds
[18:43:12] <Fnord666> and i do recall seeing the same ed name for the whole front page more than once
[18:43:26] <cmn32480> that's about a days worth
[18:43:45] <janrinok> I'll stress it again Fnord666 - if you feel that it is getting too much just let one of us know. Take a break, better if you let us know that you are going to do that, but your health is more important that the site
[18:44:01] <cmn32480> janrinok needs to take his own advice
[18:44:10] <janrinok> lol
[18:44:33] <cmn32480> need I find the story that got me coolhand and NotSanguine signed up?
[18:44:37] <cmn32480> as proof
[18:44:47] <janrinok> not for me - I remember it well
[18:45:00] * cmn32480 bets S is still a mite peeved at you for it
[18:45:07] <janrinok> more than a mite
[18:46:26] <Fnord666> On the one hand I'm interested and a bit concerned, on the other I don't want to intrude
[18:47:06] <cmn32480> janrinok tends to overdue it before he asks for help
[18:47:24] <Fnord666> please don't hesitate to tell me to piss off if i'm getting too personal
[18:47:37] <janrinok> go ahead
[18:48:31] <Fnord666> Sorry I was just interested in the back story cmn32480 mentioned.
[18:48:35] <janrinok> nobody will pry if you don't want to discuss things, but when you work together for several years - even on IRC - you do build relationships
[18:49:28] <janrinok> I've had burnout on 2 occasions - one requiring medicalisation and a significant period of rest
[18:49:58] * cmn32480 is digging for the story in March of 2015
[18:50:36] <janrinok> My wife 'S' is now also disabled and I am her full time carer. So, if I'm unwell, it causes significant problems for us both.
[18:51:31] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[18:51:35] <exec> └─ 13Calling All Editors - Past or 'Resting' - SoylentNews
[18:51:45] <cmn32480> 3 weeks later
[18:51:51] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[18:51:54] <exec> └─ 13Welcome to the New Editors - SoylentNews
[18:53:08] <cmn32480> we tend to keep an eye on gramps here
[18:53:19] <cmn32480> to make sure he don't overdo it
[18:54:37] <cmn32480> Fnord666, the short version is that the editorial team got down pretty small around march 2015.
[18:54:51] <cmn32480> and in truth it was probably more like December 2104.
[18:54:56] <cmn32480> *2014
[18:55:30] <cmn32480> n1, LamX and jr were putting in crazy hours to handle it all.. .and burned out in a spectacular fashion
[18:57:50] <cmn32480> they then scraped the bottom of the barrel... and got me CH and NS
[18:59:26] <janrinok> which, surprisingly, helped...
[19:00:04] <cmn32480> we were surprised too
[19:00:40] <janrinok> I'll put out the formal welcome story next week when everyone is back into a more normal routine.
[19:01:42] <janrinok> I see that boru was quite critical of charon's story on #soylent, I'll have to look at the comments to see if there is anything else :)
[19:03:57] <cmn32480> linky?
[19:05:35] <janrinok> the Water Canon story - although the comments seem fine but I've only read the first quarter of them. Boru mentioned it on #soylent so charon might not even notice it
[19:06:23] <n1_> i replied to boru and dealt with the valid criticism and the story had not been up very long at the time
[19:08:37] <janrinok> noted n1 - I just wondered how our new ed would respond :) We've all had it!
[19:09:31] <cmn32480> with the new eds? absolutely
[19:09:39] <janrinok> lol
[19:09:49] <n1_> hah
[19:10:34] <janrinok> I've just had to explain to S why I was laughing and disturbing her MASH viewing
[19:11:00] <cmn32480> better than us making you cry
[19:11:00] <Fnord666> =)
[19:11:29] * janrinok is having to stifle his giggles for the moment
[19:12:12] * cmn32480 tickles janrinok
[19:12:50] * janrinok demands that you stop that immeditely, before I get told off and have to switch my computer off
[19:13:09] * cmn32480 invites the rest of Editorial to tickle janrinok too
[19:13:51] * Fnord666 tickles janrinok as well
[19:15:10] <janrinok> fine bunch of mates you lot turned out to be!
[19:15:12] * cmn32480 decides to get some lunch
[19:15:20] <cmn32480> yer welcome!
[19:15:37] <cmn32480> ~gnight janrinok
[19:15:39] * exec homogeneously formulates a bribe of mail tiers for janrinok
[19:15:48] <cmn32480> I'll be back later.. but I ssupect you won't be here
[19:16:03] <janrinok> ~gnight cmn32480 - I'll be here for another 45 minutes or so, but see you tomorrow
[19:16:05] * exec casually copies a plate of g'day juice for cmn32480
[19:16:07] <janrinok> maybe...
[19:16:21] <cmn32480> no... I almost certainly won't be here tomorrow
[19:16:30] <janrinok> oh good!
[19:16:53] <cmn32480> but I will stuff the queue tonight and hope to get us into Saturday or Sunday with a little luck
[19:16:54] <janrinok> all the best to J and your kith and kin for the holiday
[19:17:03] <cmn32480> thank
[19:17:16] <cmn32480> give S my best, and tell her I am sorry we disturbed Hawkeye
[19:17:24] <janrinok> lol - will do
[19:18:25] <Fnord666> ~gnight cmn32480
[19:18:26] * exec diabolically flings a fistful of the chronic at cmn32480
[19:20:06] <janrinok> I've made a start on Friday's stories
[19:38:43] <Fnord666> janrinok, Quick question if you have a moment
[19:40:34] <Fnord666> I'm looking at the submission "Watching Molecules Move in Slow Motion".
[19:41:05] <Fnord666> i followed the link to the article which reads well enough but it references a source paper.
[19:41:30] <Fnord666> no link in TFA to the source paper but enough info I should have found it, but couldn't.
[19:41:33] <janrinok> looking
[19:42:47] <Fnord666> the article mentions
[19:42:51] <Fnord666> "Sulchek and graduate researchers Ahmad Haider and Daniel Potter published the results of their engineering solution in the journal the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences Early Edition the week of November 21, 2016. Their research was funded by the National Science Foundation."
[19:43:02] <janrinok> that link is the only material you have to work with in this instance.
[19:43:03] <Fnord666> which is here
[19:43:06] <Fnord666> http://www.pnas.org
[19:43:10] <exec> └─ 13Early Edition Articles (date view)
[19:43:26] <Fnord666> but I couldn't find the paper they mentioned in the article.
[19:43:31] <Fnord666> any reason to be concerned?
[19:43:38] <janrinok> the Proceedings are sometimes actually linked to but no matter if they are not.
[19:43:53] <Fnord666> I was looking so I could include a link
[19:43:56] <Fnord666> ok.
[19:44:05] <janrinok> For this example, all you need to verify is that the link works - it does
[19:44:12] <Fnord666> ok
[19:44:29] <janrinok> that the quoted part occurs in the article that is linked to - and for now I'll assume that it does.
[19:44:40] <Fnord666> we are queueing stories at 2 hours, correct?
[19:44:51] <Fnord666> yes, the quoted part in the summary is from the article
[19:44:52] <janrinok> and that spelling and whatever are correct
[19:45:01] <janrinok> sometimes the sources get it wrong
[19:45:31] <janrinok> this is US generated story, so the spelling should be correct to en-US
[19:45:32] <n1_> TFA is a press release from a reputable source
[19:45:39] <Fnord666> Do we insert a (sic) if an included part has a typo
[19:46:00] <janrinok> yes
[19:46:12] <janrinok> [sic] rather than (sic)
[19:46:56] <janrinok> I have en-US, en-GB and a couple of others installed in my browser
[19:47:32] <janrinok> stories should be one dialect or another, not a mixture, unless there are 2 sources from very different origins
[19:48:59] <janrinok> And the final question that you should ask yourself is 'is there sufficient information to explain the story, without going into too much detail, that would allow the reader to decide that the main source is worth reading'
[19:49:00] <Fnord666> n1 - yeah I saw the nice disclaimer at the bottom of TFA about accuracy in press releases
[19:50:22] <janrinok> 2 hour spacing is approx - between 1:50 and 2:10 from the previous story is a good guide, and try to avoid times ending in 0 or 5. It just appears more random if you can do that
[19:53:26] <janrinok> just for info, when I first look at the list of stories, I do the following actions. 2nd edit stories that haven't gone out yet, 2nd stories that have gone out but weren't checked, add new stories. Of course, that depends on what you find - if the queue is empty (v rare) then put something out first :)
[19:53:48] <janrinok> that is my own technique, others have different ways of looking at it.
[19:59:11] <Fnord666> I assume I'm not supposed to be 2nd editing yet at this point.
[19:59:36] <janrinok> if it is by an experience editor then by all means go ahead.
[19:59:47] <Fnord666> I did add that story to the story queue if someone wants to look at it.
[20:00:07] <janrinok> I wouldn't like to see 2 new editors 2nd'ing each others work yet - but I'm sure you can understand that
[20:00:18] <janrinok> looking
[20:00:56] <Fnord666> for the apple router story do we add any sort of warning about embedded video?
[20:01:11] <janrinok> standby
[20:01:28] <janrinok> n1 if you continue with Fnord666's story
[20:02:30] <janrinok> no, the embeded link is the source material, if someone is using NoScript then it won't run. If WE link to a video, then we should put a comment in there
[20:03:08] <janrinok> does that make sense?
[20:03:15] <Fnord666> Yes it does.
[20:04:18] <janrinok> sometimes we link to PDFs, videos, or images. We always warn about them because those people with data caps might not want to discover the hard way that they have just downloaded a bazillion bytes
[20:04:22] <Fnord666> thanks.
[20:04:43] <Fnord666> That's a really good point.
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[20:10:23] <Fnord666> I have looked over the Apple Router story. What do I do to sign off on it as a 2nd editor? Just edit, then save?
[20:10:49] <Fnord666> Everything looked ok to me.
[20:11:46] <janrinok> yep
[20:13:32] <janrinok> go on - save it
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[20:13:49] <janrinok> ~gday charon
[20:13:51] * exec historically stuffs a tube of SQL injection into charon
[20:14:08] <charon> hiyo janrinok, how goes it?
[20:15:02] <charon> read the log before i logged in, so i got some abuse over a gewg_ story?
[20:16:56] <janrinok> no just a comment on #soylent. Not everybody knows where Standing Rock is...
[20:18:16] <AzumaHazuki> yeah damn that gewg, being all topical and relevant
[20:18:41] <AzumaHazuki> him and his empathy--excuse me, that's a dirty word in Trump's America--his basic human decency
[20:18:42] <janrinok> AzumaHazuki, hi - how goes it with you?
[20:18:57] <charon> oh. i actually thought about that while i was editing and forgot to clarify it
[20:18:59] <AzumaHazuki> i am currently feeling, as the kiddies say, savage AF
[20:19:05] <janrinok> lol
[20:19:06] <AzumaHazuki> ...so about the same as usual
[20:19:17] <charon> so... does it count if i did it in my mind?
[20:19:31] <janrinok> I don't know you well enough yet to have said that ...
[20:19:56] <janrinok> charon, that is only your first :)
[20:20:17] <AzumaHazuki> ever since this election in the US I've become very clearheaded, but also completely intolerant of BS
[20:20:34] <janrinok> Fnord666, but don't be intimidated - if you think it needs changing come back on here and tell me!
[20:20:39] <AzumaHazuki> you ever watch Disney's Hercules movie? You remember that part where Herc just deadpan smashes Hades' face in? Feeling like that
[20:21:04] <janrinok> lol - do you have to be kept on a leash at this point?
[20:21:28] <AzumaHazuki> no, i'm actually a lot better controlled than usual
[20:21:55] <AzumaHazuki> just completely done playing around. the fuse has been lit and I have X amount of time to GTFO before it burns down with me still in the blast radius
[20:22:41] <n1_> i can understand that sentiment
[20:23:03] * janrinok stands back, grabs some popcorn, and begins to watch it all unfold
[20:23:20] <AzumaHazuki> the alt-right gloating is making me roll my eyes so hard they ache. those gloating autofellating idiots have no idea what they've just condemned themselves to
[20:23:38] <AzumaHazuki> i'm just waiting for dawn to break over Marblehead, as it were
[20:24:34] <n1_> condemning themselves to more of the same, just the other side of the created division gets to have their egos inflated for a while
[20:24:43] <AzumaHazuki> basically, when the dunghill hits the windmill, i want to have a cup of Tim Horton's in hand :D
[20:24:59] <Fnord666> Don't worry, they just did it for the lulz.
[20:25:30] <AzumaHazuki> ah, yes, for the "lulz." as we all know, neo-Nazis are motivated by the urge for a laugh
[20:26:17] <Fnord666> ah, no. I was thinking more the "wouldn't it be funny if we elected..." crowd.
[20:26:25] <AzumaHazuki> no, no it would not be
[20:26:42] <AzumaHazuki> i've seen this show before. the last episode was broadcast in Germany about 80 years ago
[20:26:53] <Fnord666> oh I agree but I don't believe the thinking went past the "..." part.
[20:28:21] <n1_> a rich white man is going to live in the white house, and is appointing people who already know their way around the place... not that big of a change, the leading narrative has changed, but the trajectory at present remains much the same as it did before
[20:28:51] <AzumaHazuki> i don't think this is a joke at all. this has not only legitimized but mainstreamed the neo-Nazis, the Klan, the Christian Identity movement, all of it
[20:29:00] <AzumaHazuki> if you ask me, this was a coup, one that was 35+ years in the making
[20:29:47] <janrinok> sry to be a party pooper, but I've got to go. I'll leave it all in your capable hands...
[20:29:56] <n1_> take care janrinok
[20:30:00] <janrinok> ~gbye #editorial
[20:30:01] <charon> take care, janrinok
[20:30:08] * janrinok tips hat to n1
[20:30:45] <n1_> AzumaHazuki, don't know about coup, but i think it perfectly represents the world/reality that the state/media/corporations have created over the years
[20:31:17] <AzumaHazuki> i'm leaving ASAP I'm white, cisgender, and can pass for straight (because y'know femme lesbians aren't A Thing...) and STILL don't feel safe here
[20:32:32] <Fnord666> ~gnight janrinok
[20:32:34] * exec diabolically snatches a truecrypt volume of an insult from janrinok
[20:33:20] <n1_> AzumaHazuki, i don't blame you at all for wanting to get out and be somewhere else
[20:33:59] <n1_> i'm from the UK but currently travelling around the world, just days before i left, i got guilt by association of being a "fucking foreigner who ruined the country"
[20:34:17] * AzumaHazuki cat /dev/hazuki/face > /mnt/desktop
[20:34:26] <AzumaHazuki> seriously? @_@
[20:34:50] <n1_> i was in the street, talking with two colleagues of indian backgrounds
[20:35:18] <n1_> possibly assumed i was polish or something
[20:35:56] <AzumaHazuki> good grief, anti-Polish sentiment is still a thing?
[20:36:19] <n1_> well that's one of the biggest problem with the EU, you can't tell who the immigrants are just by looking at them
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[20:39:07] <Fnord666> Gotta run some errands. Back in a while.
[20:39:18] Fnord666 is now known as Fnord666_Away
[20:39:27] <AzumaHazuki> i have a feeling world war II never truly ended, in the minds of many...
[20:41:07] <n1_> it's not like there has been world peace at any point, proxy wars and colonial power continued
[20:41:41] <AzumaHazuki> i know...ugh, i'm so tired of human stupidity
[20:41:53] <AzumaHazuki> hopefully i don't have to reincarnate anymore. had enough of this place.
[20:43:49] <n1_> we're all being played, hardcore nationalism and identity politics are going to continue as we're been so keen to create as many labels as possible to enable inclusive and exclusive policies to whoever wants to perpetuate the division
[20:45:27] <AzumaHazuki> i nope'd out of that half a lifetime ago, back in early high school
[20:45:36] <n1_> if such progress had been made in recent years, the BLM movement wouldn't have come into existence/prominence at the end of Obama's presidency.
[20:46:14] <n1_> we're now just getting a different flavour of bullshit, seems a lot more bitter than what we've had in political discourse over the last few years
[20:46:40] <n1_> but it's what a reasonable section of society prefer and they've not had much in the way of reassurance recently
[20:47:19] <AzumaHazuki> fuck that, i've got all kinds of racial minority friends and friends from all over the queer spectrum and they're all terrified
[20:47:34] <AzumaHazuki> one close friend of mine is a small, gentle, timid black woman. she lived in Georgia
[20:47:43] <AzumaHazuki> i've been telling her to walk with friends everywhere
[20:48:04] <n1_> i know, i've seen it myself from people i know
[20:48:16] <AzumaHazuki> i don't give two shits about white American angst; they voted to shit all over everyone else to assuage their pain
[20:48:19] <AzumaHazuki> that is not okay
[20:49:01] <n1_> it's easy for me to be personally detached as i've profited (FX) from the situation, and i'm an average white guy of reasonable earning capacity
[20:49:15] <n1_> and i'm not american either, my lens is mostly foreign policy
[20:49:49] <AzumaHazuki> US foreign policy is about to go even nuttier than it already is
[20:50:01] <AzumaHazuki> i am so sorry, NONE of us here on the ground support what our government has done
[20:52:09] <n1_> the strongest anti-government types, the ones that have been talking about losing their 2nd amendment, rigged elections and 'socialist' social/economic policy, so the growth in government will continue
[20:53:50] <AzumaHazuki> the right in this country is insane. anywhere in europe they'd be considered terrorists
[20:53:57] <AzumaHazuki> we got our own home-grown Daesh
[20:54:00] <n1_> 'make america great again' and 'drain the swamp' and this years 'hope and change'
[20:54:21] <n1_> AzumaHazuki, you may have seen the headline about the UK murder conviction today
[20:54:46] <n1_> 'nazi' right wing fanatic killed a Member of Parliament just before the brexit referendum
[20:55:39] <n1_> he was a crazy person who committed murder, not a terrorist because it would make the 'list of terrorist incidents' lists more complicated
[20:56:34] <AzumaHazuki> that was terrorism
[20:56:46] <AzumaHazuki> people seem to think you have to have an Arabic name to be a terrorist
[20:57:23] <n1_> i would say a lot of cases are not, they are mentally unstable/damaged people who have been manipulated mostly
[20:58:24] <AzumaHazuki> "stochastic terrorism" then
[20:58:28] <n1_> on another, also disturbing subject... i submitted a story earlier
[20:58:30] <n1_> https://www.theguardian.com
[20:58:31] <exec> └─ 13UK to censor online videos of 'non-conventional' sex acts | Technology | The Guardian
[20:58:48] <AzumaHazuki> depending on what those "non-conventional" acts are this may be a good thing
[20:59:29] <n1_> "Pictures and videos that show spanking, whipping or caning that leaves marks, and sex acts involving urination, female ejaculation or menstruation as well as sex in public are likely to be caught by the ban – in effect turning back the clock on Britain’s censorship regime to the pre-internet era."
[21:00:53] <AzumaHazuki> the one problem i've got with that is lumping female ejaculation in with urine or menses
[21:01:06] <AzumaHazuki> it's not the same stuff. i have...er...experience with this. first and second-hand, as it were
[21:01:47] <n1_> you don't have to be a fan of those things, but it sets an encouraging precedent, beyond the recent passage of the 'spying on everyone all the time' law
[21:03:05] <AzumaHazuki> why isn't there more outrage over THAT?
[21:03:09] <AzumaHazuki> that's the old snoopers' charter
[21:03:21] <n1_> because we voted to go back to the 1950's with the brexit
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[21:03:41] <n1_> the current PM was the primary supporter of the snoopers charter
[21:04:12] <n1_> but now she has the "brexit means brexit, but i can't talk about it, but trust me" ... you can't say against that, because the country voted to not be held back by 'human rights'
[21:05:04] <AzumaHazuki> ugh. the UK has always had a worrying undercurrent of fascism for over 100 years
[21:05:09] <n1_> as my grandfather said once "international law isn't for us, it's for the other countries"
[21:05:17] <AzumaHazuki> i am told germany got the eugenics idea from British and American sources
[21:05:50] <n1_> it's just business, the government is only worried about ensuring it's own survival and the survival of the conservative party
[21:06:36] <AzumaHazuki> it's become cancerous then...
[21:07:58] <n1_> i don't think it's new, but it's just more obvious now with the access to information and discussion
[21:08:22] <AzumaHazuki> we really are hopeless, aren't we...? the human race i mean
[21:09:01] <n1_> i don't know, i think it's easier to be ignorant
[21:09:31] <n1_> and we're presented with enough distractions, bread and circuses, and ever more so we have plenty of echo chambers to plant ourselves in
[21:09:54] <AzumaHazuki> i threw most of that away years and years ago...
[21:10:06] <AzumaHazuki> ignorance may be bliss but it doesn't develop you
[21:10:21] <n1_> i'm considering doing a combination 'how to survive thanksgiving' talking points from a 'survive thanksgiving with sjw' and 'survive thanksgiving with trump voters'
[21:10:28] <n1_> as a journal entry on the site
[21:11:05] <NotSanguine|eating> AzumaHazuki, n1_: Hey guys. Was just looking in before heading out for the holiday. Welcome!
[21:11:15] <AzumaHazuki> i have no family, so not worried about the thanksgiving thing
[21:11:23] <n1_> enjoy the holiday, NotSanguine|eating :)
[21:11:35] <NotSanguine|eating> thanks n1_
[21:11:58] <AzumaHazuki> just wish i could work that day. my first job is closed, and the second one didn't give me hours
[21:12:01] <n1_> AzumaHazuki, i just want to see how it compares if you view both sides from an outsiders perspective
[21:12:02] <AzumaHazuki> because i'm the new girl
[21:12:23] <AzumaHazuki> meh, you said it yourself, identity politics
[21:12:28] <n1_> one thing i discovered today which i found incredible is the history of this 'turkey pardoning' thing.
[21:13:28] <NotSanguine|eating> I did see the last bit of your conversation. And while I understand (and share) many of your fears and frustrations AzumaHazuki, there are many of us who will stand together to fight against the darkness.
[21:13:46] <NotSanguine|eating> perhaps more than you realize.
[21:13:49] <AzumaHazuki> i hope so. it's so, so lonely doing this all by myself, and i have only so much power
[21:14:30] <NotSanguine|eating> As long as people will stand up for simple human respect, we still have a chance.
[21:14:55] <AzumaHazuki> i'm less sanguine (heh) than you are about that. without enough people taking enough action with enough power it is entirely possible for evil to win
[21:14:59] <AzumaHazuki> it has happened over and over nd over
[21:15:25] <n1_> my hope is, it will give some people the ability to recognise that the government can't mandate decency and we do have to truly work together and create the communities we want to live in
[21:15:36] <NotSanguine|eating> that old saw about evil's triumph is true. But I won't shut up. Nor will many I know.
[21:15:53] <AzumaHazuki> me either. but i need to go somewhere safer first. can't help if i'm dead
[21:15:54] <n1_> rather than expecting them to be created for us, but this is obviously difficult when you have to work as many hours as possible just to keep a roof over your head
[21:16:58] <AzumaHazuki> ugh, yeah. i'm glad job #1 is computer stuff and i can be online while doing it
[21:17:00] <NotSanguine|eating> well said n1_. I think that even many, if not most, of the people who have supported the backlash against individual rights for those who are different, are more scared than bigoted
[21:17:10] <n1_> on my travels i hope to find some genuine charitable and community organizations i can lend my support to and do just that, create the community i want to live in... just like contributing to this website
[21:17:20] <AzumaHazuki> they are, more scared that is, but...that doesn't excuse them
[21:17:25] <AzumaHazuki> not anymore
[21:17:28] <NotSanguine|eating> Certainly there are many who are bigoted. But culture changes slowly.
[21:18:03] <AzumaHazuki> that is no consolation to my dead and worse than dead friends
[21:18:17] <NotSanguine|eating> I'm right there with you.
[21:19:28] <AzumaHazuki> THIS is why I get up JMorris and Uzzard's asses when they post the shit they do
[21:19:51] <AzumaHazuki> we got no more time for that crap. they are partly guilty of all this. they have blood on their heads and the rising tide of it will drown them, then they will boil in it in hell
[21:20:00] <NotSanguine|eating> My point was that getting up in the faces of people who may not agree, when they mean you no harm, doesn't get them to see that there those *in their midst* who want to harm others in their name.
[21:20:19] <NotSanguine|eating> It just points up that they disagree
[21:20:25] <AzumaHazuki> at this point, those people don't give a damn about others and have shown it.
[21:20:39] <AzumaHazuki> when someone shows you who they are in the dark, bloody well believe them the first time
[21:21:09] <NotSanguine|eating> I've found, in my almost 50 years, that most people aren't evil or deliberately hostile, they're just ignorant
[21:21:49] <AzumaHazuki> me too. but i've run into a few who actually are evil in my time
[21:22:12] <AzumaHazuki> you know it. you can feel it around them if you're sensitive to that sort of thing
[21:22:14] <NotSanguine|eating> helping them learn that others who are being demonized by the scumbags are pretty much just like them is, I think, a more helpful strategy
[21:22:45] <AzumaHazuki> to those amenable to it, yes. there are some who are just evil, though
[21:22:51] <NotSanguine|eating> Please understand, I'm not disagreeing with you or trying to minimize your concerns.
[21:23:39] <NotSanguine|eating> absolutely. Maybe I'm just a starry-eyed optimist, but I believe that the vast majority are either ignorant or uninformed -- and the evil ones are very small minority
[21:23:49] <AzumaHazuki> i know. you're totally right that most people are just ignorant
[21:24:03] <AzumaHazuki> but...the evil ones somehow shake out to the top. i can feel them, like predatory shadows
[21:24:22] <NotSanguine|eating> it's scary stuff, yes. But all we can do is our best.
[21:25:02] <n1_> products of the environments we find ourselves in for the most part, and those environments are perpetuated because comfort in the familiar
[21:25:25] <AzumaHazuki> n1_: and...i've deliberately thrown myself out of all that. i'm a wanderer in a lot of ways
[21:25:35] <NotSanguine|eating> absolutely.
[21:26:14] <NotSanguine|eating> Sadly, I need to head off eat some peanut butter. Have a train to catch in a few hours. have a good holiday, both of you. And once again, Welcome aboard Azume!
[21:26:26] <NotSanguine|eating> Azuma. sorry
[21:26:29] <AzumaHazuki> thank you :)
[21:26:42] <NotSanguine|eating> The pleasure is mine!
[21:26:42] <AzumaHazuki> it's...nice not to be totally alone. i may have miscalculated my own ability to work solo
[21:27:30] <n1_> AzumaHazuki, we really can't do it all alone. you can be independent and doing your own thing, but humanity didn't get to where it is by being individuals
[21:27:31] <NotSanguine|eating> If you're willing to risk letting someone in, you'll never be alone. Knowing the right people for that is where the rub is.
[21:28:07] <n1_> i mean that in that we can do it better, we can be individuals who work together, we don't have to share a common identity to work towards common goals
[21:28:10] <AzumaHazuki> yes...my girlfriend is one such person
[21:29:16] <n1_> the world has to be made up of different people with different skill sets, perspectives and dreams to create any kind of positive society
[21:30:19] <AzumaHazuki> my problem is with the ones who can't or won't see this, and who insist on turning the apparatus of state against others
[21:32:00] <n1_> unfortunately we have now definitely entered a phase where both sides of the selected narrative are pushing for that solution
[21:32:15] <n1_> it's a race to the bottom with binary decisions
[21:32:18] <AzumaHazuki> i want nothing to do with that. both sides are my enemy in that case.
[21:32:29] <AzumaHazuki> hence why i'm leaving. this country is about to explode
[21:33:13] <n1_> i really hope you can find somewhere to call home
[21:33:44] <AzumaHazuki> soviet canuckistan, hopefully very soon
[21:34:04] <n1_> there's a big world out there with a lot of different people in it, right now i'm in south america, but i'm going to be trying to travel everywhere in the coming year
[21:34:32] <n1_> i want to see more of the world, and meet some different people while the opportunity is still there
[21:34:37] <n1_> and maybe find a home along the way
[21:43:15] <AzumaHazuki> i wonder if costa rica could use my skills? i'm only about half fluent in spanish though
[21:44:03] <Snow> A non-0 number of co workers are half fluent in english and it hasn't stopped them.
[21:44:17] <n1_> spend more time speaking it, you'll become fluent
[21:45:47] <n1_> i have been considering checking out costa rica, but i don't know much about it yet
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[22:58:47] <charon> n1: i have visited Costa Rica a couple times. it's a lovely place, and people are friendly. you can generally get by with high-school level spanish and a lot of people speak english
[23:06:38] <n1_> hmmm
[23:06:46] <n1_> i might have to look a bit more closely
[23:12:50] <n1_> how is charon today?
[23:13:10] <charon> ticked off for complex reasons
[23:13:53] <n1_> :(
[23:13:56] <charon> i'm divorced, wasn't planning on doing anything for thanksgiving except sitting in my apt and drinking a bit and surfing
[23:14:44] <charon> but apparently my ex-wife's brother attempted to hurt himself (he's been seriously clinically depressed for 20+ years)
[23:15:05] <charon> so she is going to visit him and make sure their mother is OK
[23:15:30] <charon> but that means I am on kid duty on a day i had expected to have to myself
[23:16:14] <charon> so, while i love my kids and it will be nice to see them, it just is not what i had built up in my mind
[23:16:20] <charon> complex
[23:16:41] <n1_> i understand
[23:16:57] <charon> sorry for the wall o' feels
[23:17:32] <n1_> it's good to vent and share what's going on
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[23:18:15] <charon> yah
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[23:18:46] <charon> heh, and i drove audioguy away
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[23:19:57] <charon> how are you, ni_?
[23:20:03] <charon> errr, n1_
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[23:20:37] <n1> stupid internet
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[23:20:51] <charon> interesting, seems like a bunch of people got punted at the same time
[23:21:32] <n1> possibly coincidence, the internet here is good while it works, but it's not very stable
[23:22:45] <charon> how are you, n1?
[23:23:42] <n1> can't complain, working on dinner, pondering on things to write about
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[23:26:16] <charon> are you doing touristy things in south america? or working?
[23:27:49] <n1> touristy
[23:28:35] <n1> i'm taking a break from work-work ... i have to deal with some UK related stuff on the phone and email, but aside from that, trying to unwind and consider what to do next
[23:30:02] <n1> got opportunities to do something different, seems like a shame to waste it.
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[23:32:17] <n1> i'd like to do some charity work and make positive contributions and hopefully find a way to do that and be able to survive before i have to go back into the world of 'business'.
[23:32:23] <charon> if it's within your capacity, and would be a good thing, go for it
[23:33:47] <charon> a friend of mine got married a few years ago; he and his wife did a year of travelling and volunteer work right after and they were very happy they did it. it enriched their lives greatly
[23:36:11] <n1> yeah, it's a good experience. i've been lucky enough to do the travelling before
[23:37:35] <n1> and as a kid, i got to vacation all over the world and then when was 20 did some around the world stuff by myself
[23:39:37] <n1> as i said earlier to AzumaHazuki, i want to keep doing that kind of stuff while it's still possible
[23:41:06] <n1> feels like while the world has gotten smaller, it's getting more difficult to travel to different parts of it
[23:42:17] <charon> as a non-american, you may be in better shape than us
[23:43:15] <charon> i wish i had gotten more chances to travel. but i've been to spain twice, ireland once, costa rica twice. so i have gotten a taste of it
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[23:43:50] <n1> i think that's more that a lot of americans get to see
[23:45:04] <charon> probably so
[23:46:58] <charon> i really loved spain. were it possible, i would spend years there
[23:50:01] <n1> opportunities might present themselves
[23:51:27] <charon> true. and every day i forget another spanish word
[23:51:30] <charon> heheh
[23:52:35] <n1> my spanish has never been good, trying to learn
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[23:53:20] <n1> something i really want to do is be able to speak passably in another language
[23:54:52] <charon> it's tough as an adult. immersion seems like the easiest way, though i'm sure it doesn't feel that way during the process
[23:55:43] <n1> for me i think immersion is the only way, but yeah... the little spanish i'm picking up is pretty good, but the more you speak the more gets thrown at you
[23:57:39] <charon> heh, once in Costa Rica, a cab driver saw me struggling with my spanish and said, "just speak english"
[23:57:59] <charon> i felt silly, but he spoke better english than i did spanish
[23:58:29] <n1> i've had similar situations here... although now, having a translator on your phone is pretty damn helpful
[23:59:26] <charon> yeah, that was not available in my travelling days
[23:59:58] <charon> i have chinese customers who come and have whole conversations with me with the phone app