#editorial | Logs for 2016-11-21

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[00:02:05] <cmn32480> yep
[00:02:12] <cmn32480> I added the YT link
[00:09:42] <charon> that may be the most 1980's thing i've seen in my life
[00:09:52] <charon> and i lived through the 80's
[00:10:39] <Fnord666|away> Question for everyone about the dev front page
[00:10:47] Fnord666|away is now known as Fnord666
[00:10:49] <cmn32480> if you wathc closely at the beginning, you can see where it says PLAY in the upper right hand corner
[00:11:04] <cmn32480> shoot Fnord666
[00:11:25] * charon shoots Fnord666 at cmn32480's request.
[00:11:37] <cmn32480> damnit
[00:11:39] <cmn32480> we needed him
[00:11:42] <charon> sorry
[00:11:48] <charon> you told me to
[00:12:05] * cmn32480 whispers "he was community cannon fodder"
[00:12:46] <charon> oops
[00:13:11] * Fnord666 resurrects himself since no one else seems interested
[00:13:16] <Fnord666> In the story list I see that the story about the 50th anniversary of basic only has 1 signoff
[00:13:27] <cmn32480> correct
[00:13:38] <Fnord666> But I also see it published on the front page.
[00:13:42] <cmn32480> stories can gout wiht only 1 signoff
[00:13:46] <cmn32480> we jsut prefer that they don't
[00:13:51] <Fnord666> oh ok
[00:13:58] <Fnord666> I thought they needed two
[00:14:18] <Fnord666> that 'splains it then.
[00:14:23] <Fnord666> thx
[00:14:41] <charon> also Fnord666, recall last night we were talking about the fossil fuel story
[00:14:54] <Fnord666> yep
[00:15:11] <charon> i did up a version of it the way i would rewrite it.
[00:15:12] <Fnord666> stopped by this AM to work on it...
[00:15:16] <Fnord666> lol
[00:15:30] <charon> sorry, it got me interested
[00:15:33] <Fnord666> I saw that. It looked good.
[00:15:37] <Fnord666> np
[00:16:00] <charon> but i can wipe it back to original if you want to take a run at it too
[00:16:29] <Fnord666> No you're good. There are other stories in the queue
[00:16:47] <Fnord666> I did see a note/story with a dividing line though.
[00:17:17] <Fnord666> indicating we should pick from below that line. Is that still the case?
[00:17:54] <Fnord666> A submission to be clear. "\/ \/ \/ Editor Training Submissions Below This Line \/ \/ \/ "
[00:18:20] <charon> no, that was before TMB dumped a 150 new ones for us to play with
[00:18:42] <charon> so actually, everything ABOVE that line is training stuff
[00:18:50] <Fnord666> ah good.
[00:19:16] <Fnord666> below the line seems to mostly be test submissions and StoryBot entries
[00:19:37] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[00:20:04] <charon> yeah, before our crop of newbies, apparently dev was used to break things
[00:20:42] <Bytram> My my my! Aren't we the chatty bunch? I take a few hours off to attend to life and it takes me a half hour to catchup with backscrool!
[00:20:45] * Bytram should learn to read even faster-er-er
[00:21:07] <charon> no kidding. we're out-chatting #soylent these days
[00:21:11] * Bytram notes it also means that the new editors like to write -- bodes well for us!
[00:21:55] <Bytram> yeah... read this channel's topic... "#editorial is where the cool kids hang out to have meta discussions about stories on SoylentNews | This channel IS logged"
[00:21:56] <Bytram> so... this is where all the cool kids are
[00:22:03] <Bytram> welcome aboard!
[00:22:13] <charon> i've never been a cool kid before
[00:22:22] <charon> i was too bust eating paste
[00:22:32] <Bytram> I was once, but it was in the middle of winter. :/
[00:22:32] <Bytram> ;)
[00:23:09] <charon> oy, gotta leave work before they kick me out. back in a while.
[00:23:10] <nick> Bytram !!
[00:23:18] * nick hat tip charon
[00:23:22] -!- charon has quit []
[00:23:23] <Bytram> nick: !!
[00:24:14] <nick> was just taking a minute to reply to a Runaway comment, had to refresh him of his opinion on Peter Thiel from before he was given a job by Trump.
[00:24:22] <nick> but anyways, how is Bytram?
[00:24:54] <Bytram> all-in-all, good. But tired. Black friday is just a few days away
[00:25:21] * Bytram works retail and volunteered for the *early* shift; store opens at midnight.
[00:25:32] <nick> i do not envy you
[00:26:20] <Fnord666> I thought everyone knows not to volunteer for anything.
[00:26:44] <Fnord666> s/knows/knew/
[00:26:46] <exec> <Fnord666> I thought everyone knew not to volunteer for anything.
[00:26:49] <Bytram> was more fun years gone by... would have to drive around to find a parking space, then get into work, set things up, and when the doors opened... there was a sea of humanity just swirling buy!
[00:26:49] <Bytram> now, more and more people are buying things online
[00:27:39] <Bytram> well, there is bit up a multiplier for being there for the early-early shift... and all the OT you want (or can handle)... I clocked over 24hours paid time last black friday =)
[00:27:55] <Bytram> s/sup/of/
[00:27:59] <Fnord666> well that's a nice perk
[00:28:29] <Bytram> supersized paychecks are double-plus-good
[00:28:50] <nick> well i expect better gifts for xmas this year then
[00:29:40] <Bytram> they will be TWICE as good as last years!
[00:29:45] <Bytram> oh, wait...
[00:29:59] * Bytram forgot to get gifts for everyone last year.
[00:30:21] <nick> for shame
[00:30:42] <Bytram> OTOH, I don't recall receiving your gift, now that you mention it ;)
[00:31:18] <nick> probably got lost in the post
[00:32:35] <Bytram> why would anyone want to shift a gift within a post, and how do you hollow out the post to fit the gift into it?
[00:33:27] <nick> 'cking 'mericans
[00:34:06] <Bytram> =)
[00:50:38] <Bytram> cmn32480: zz_janrinok: It appears that it takes seclev 10000 or greater to delete a story; see: ~/rehash//plugins/Admin/templates/editbuttons;admin;default
[00:55:46] <cmn32480> we jsut ain't special enough
[00:56:17] <Bytram> it drives me NUTS that there are so many places with hard-coded "magic numbers"
[00:57:55] <Bytram> there are something like 1022 places in the code which references 'seclev' :(
[00:58:54] <Bytram> well only 220 places where 'seclev' is followed by '00'
[01:04:30] <Bytram> hmmm, and 'seclev' is mentioned in "only" 514 files
[01:04:39] * cmn32480 point TheMightyBuzzard to the aboce
[01:05:14] <Bytram> he'd prolly only tell me to do it myself
[01:05:38] <Bytram> there is at least one table in the DB which contains seclev stuff, too.
[01:10:04] <cmn32480> yurg
[01:11:34] <Fnord666> I have a question about a story in the dev submission queue and how to approach it.
[01:11:41] <Fnord666> "Facebook buys fitness app company " is the story
[01:12:07] <cmn32480> yep
[01:12:30] <Fnord666> Two questions. First, I'm not able to confirm the quote in the second part of the summary due to a paywall.
[01:13:02] <Fnord666> I tried a couple of searches but was not able to find the related article at an alternate location.
[01:13:11] <cmn32480> ok
[01:13:29] <Fnord666> What should I do with that?
[01:13:44] <cmn32480> if you can't find the related stuff adn con't confirm, put a note in and maybe somebody else has better luck, or note the problems and recommend binning it
[01:14:17] <Fnord666> The second is the general assumption by the submitter that it's only a matter of time before the data gets shared.
[01:14:36] <cmn32480> it's Facebook.. that is probably a sound assumption
[01:14:56] <Fnord666> Now that's the submitter's POV/slant. Do I leave it like that or try to word things more objectively?
[01:15:17] <Fnord666> And from a personal viewpoint, I'm sure it will be sooner rather than later.
[01:15:24] <cmn32480> that one is probably ok
[01:15:32] <Fnord666> As an editor though . . .
[01:15:42] <Fnord666> ok
[01:16:06] <cmn32480> you don't want to make too much of a change to their story, unless it is really bad
[01:16:13] <Fnord666> ok
[01:17:11] <cmn32480> a certain amount of slant is going to happen
[01:17:20] <cmn32480> but imagine if you had to reqrite EVERY story
[01:17:54] <cmn32480> *rewrite
[01:18:05] <cmn32480> we couldn't do it
[01:18:10] <Fnord666> And that's what I'm trying to make sure I understand.
[01:18:23] <Fnord666> understand correctly.
[01:18:40] <cmn32480> there is a spot where you are gonna look at a sub and say wow, I'm surprised that doenst' tip over it is so slanted...
[01:19:05] <Fnord666> =)
[01:19:21] <Fnord666> On a different topic, what do you do with submissions that are basically a quote of the entire source article?
[01:19:33] <cmn32480> and there are some that are going to be kinda slantish like the submitter is trying to get a point across that might not be completely clear w/o reading TFA (which we all know nobody does)
[01:19:47] <cmn32480> see if you can cut them back
[01:20:00] <cmn32480> we can't post the whole thing without possible legal implications
[01:20:01] <Fnord666> and there really isn't anything more there.
[01:20:18] <Fnord666> right I've noted that before in other articles.
[01:20:20] <cmn32480> those we mostly discuss
[01:20:39] <cmn32480> and figure out a way, or bin them
[01:24:53] <Fnord666> One last submission if I may
[01:25:03] <Fnord666> "SEC Chair Insists 'The Markets Are Not Rigged' "
[01:25:13] <Fnord666> by Papas Fritas
[01:25:30] <cmn32480> ok
[01:25:34] <cmn32480> isit out on dev?
[01:25:38] <Fnord666> which is a smooshed together mix of direct quote and paraphrasing
[01:25:44] <Fnord666> yes, on dev
[01:25:51] <Bytram> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[01:25:53] <exec> └─ 13SEC Chair Insists 'The Markets Are Not Rigged': Dev.SN Submission
[01:26:10] <Bytram> =)
[01:27:42] <Fnord666> Do we just attempt to unwind the paragraphs and separate the direct quotes?
[01:28:00] <cmn32480> he is one of the few that does that
[01:28:18] <cmn32480> no don't attempt to unwind it
[01:28:35] <cmn32480> if it is a wall of text, try to find a prargraph break
[01:28:57] <cmn32480> Hugh doesn't submit muich anymore...
[01:29:05] <Bytram> Fnord666: Hiya! My personal view is that submission is well-written in that it extracts salient points from multiple sources and weaves it into a cohesive story.
[01:29:09] <cmn32480> I can't recall the last time I saw one form him in the queue
[01:29:34] <Bytram> has been a while and, yes, cmn32480 is right, generally need to toss in a <p> or two to make his submissions more digestible.
[01:30:01] <Fnord666> Bytram most of the salient points are mixed in from the original article.
[01:30:42] <Bytram> with time, certain submitters' quirks and propensities become apparent, as well as a fixed set of responses to deal with 'em.
[01:30:43] <Fnord666> The submission is mostly a verbatim quote from the source article with a couple of sentences paraphrased
[01:31:13] <Bytram> Fnord666: yep... has been a while since I looked *closely*, but he generally uses double quotes to surround text lifted from other sources.
[01:31:21] <Fnord666> So Papas Fritas is aka Hugh Pickens?
[01:31:27] <Bytram> that might be a more egregious example.
[01:31:31] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:32:08] <Fnord666> cmn32480 remember when I mentioned greasemonkey scripts?
[01:32:08] * Bytram is reminded of the opening to Hee Haw! Pickin' and grinnin' =)
[01:32:21] <cmn32480> yes
[01:32:26] <cmn32480> is he one you had blocked?
[01:32:33] <Fnord666> That was one of them
[01:33:05] <Fnord666> I must admit, yes
[01:34:08] * Bytram uses only the standard UI -- is a bit of a purist in that regard.
[01:34:23] <cmn32480> I think his stuff was not well received here, adn that is likely why we don't see him anymore
[01:34:36] * cmn32480 believes in working smarter not harder
[01:35:33] <Bytram> I think that was in no small part by his submitting the same story to us and to /. -- we received several complains for posting a story that had already appeared in /.
[01:36:00] <Bytram> it was just that they had scheduled their story to go out before we did.
[01:36:17] <Bytram> sometimes the reverese happened and we had the scoop on /.
[01:36:51] <Bytram> either way, it has been along time since I'd seen any submissions from him.
[01:37:12] <Bytram> Fnord666: btw, I like your questions... I see where you are coming from and enjoy watching your trajectory as you face questions, reason out possibilities, and ask salient questions. =)
[01:39:34] <Fnord666> well thank you.
[01:40:34] <Bytram> you're welcome!
[01:41:24] <Fnord666> I want the stories on SN to be interesting and well written.
[01:42:14] <Bytram> Fnord666: s/well /well-/
[01:42:16] <exec> <Bytram> <Fnord666> I want the stories on SN to be interesting and well-written.
[01:42:19] <Bytram> ;)
[01:42:36] <Bytram> is actually more of a personal preference on that one
[01:42:37] <Fnord666> =)
[01:42:40] <Bytram> LOL!
[01:43:50] <Bytram> likewise, but over the past couple or so months, there have been more stories to post than free time for the editors to go over them, so I will admit my work could well stand some improvement as my motivation was more along the lines of getting out enough stories rather than how can I best prepare *this* story.
[01:44:18] <Bytram> fresh eyes are most appreciated.
[01:45:35] <Fnord666> BTW it is a well-written article but the article is well written.
[01:46:03] <Bytram> write ewe R!
[01:46:14] <Fnord666> lol
[01:46:28] <Fnord666> ewe R
[01:47:17] <Fnord666> You said to write it!
[01:47:21] <Bytram> when looking up a word in the dictionary as a kid, I'd often go off on a tangent when a picture or other bold-faced entry caught my eye... next thing I knew, I had just read a few *more* pages in that dictionary.
[01:48:16] <Bytram> and... when I see/hear a word, I often misparse on homophones
[01:48:32] <Bytram> rich source of puns
[01:48:33] <Fnord666> Yeah, still happens to me these days on Wikipedia. Go to look up something and the next thing you know it's 3 in the morning.
[01:48:53] <Bytram> knod gnawed
[01:49:14] <Bytram> whatever you do, do NOT go to http://etymonline.com
[01:49:16] <exec> └─ 13Online Etymology Dictionary
[01:49:33] <Fnord666> oh dear.
[01:49:55] <Bytram> rabbit hole with turtles ALL the way down
[01:50:31] <Bytram> though, it is rather hard to get down from a turtle, much easier to get down from a duck or goose. =)
[01:51:14] <Fnord666> I've heard that.
[01:51:39] * Bytram tries, but fails to envision a feathered turtle
[01:52:06] * Bytram suspects it would be like a hard-shelled penguin
[01:52:36] <Fnord666> I suppose in that case you would have to pluck your turtle before making turtle soup.
[01:52:41] -!- charon [charon!Mibbit@vmry-748-80-387-890.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #editorial
[01:53:13] <Bytram> only stands to reason, I s'pose
[01:53:22] <Fnord666> A hard shelled penguin would be vicious. Their flippers are dangerous enough as it is.
[01:53:47] <Bytram> was a very short night last night and a full day coming tomorrow... i shan't be up much later.
[01:54:08] <Bytram> Fnord666: /me trembles at THAT thought.
[01:54:12] <Bytram> taking a short break and biab
[01:54:19] GreatOutdoors|afk is now known as GreatOutdoors
[01:54:35] <Fnord666> ~gday charon
[01:54:37] * exec insensitively cropdusts a set of SQL injection over charon
[01:54:43] <Fnord666> ~gday GreatOutdoors
[01:54:44] * exec retroactively irritates a misused Excel sheet of bluehost with GreatOutdoors
[01:55:15] <GreatOutdoors> how sweet..
[01:55:22] <GreatOutdoors> if only it made sense..
[01:55:40] <Fnord666> What would be the fun in that?
[01:58:28] <charon> ~gday Fnord666
[01:58:30] * exec literally combines a tinfoil hat of windows vista with Fnord666
[01:58:49] <charon> nope, none of that made sense even after reading the backscroll
[02:13:55] <Bytram> #fitectl scoreboard
[02:13:55] <MrPlow> #fite scoreboard updated: https://sylnt.us
[02:14:50] <charon> holy cow, how does NCommander have such an impossible lead?
[02:15:12] <Bytram> he was gifted
[02:15:15] <Bytram> =)
[02:15:33] <charon> oh, so you mean hacks
[02:16:05] Bytram is now known as Bytram|fite
[02:16:10] <Bytram|fite> #fite MrPlow
[02:16:10] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[02:16:26] <MrPlow> #fite MrPlow falls broken at Bytram|fite's feet.
[02:16:33] Bytram|fite is now known as Bytram
[02:17:16] <Bytram> #fitectl scoreboard
[02:17:16] <MrPlow> #fite scoreboard updated: https://sylnt.us
[02:20:10] Bytram is now known as Bytram|fite
[02:20:25] <charon> #fite Fnord666
[02:20:25] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[02:20:34] <MrPlow> #fite charon falls broken at Fnord666's feet.
[02:20:55] * charon weeps.
[02:21:07] * Fnord666 wonders what just happened
[02:22:11] <charon> <MrPlow> Fnord666 clobbers charon upside their head with a fist (7)
[02:22:15] <charon> clearly
[02:22:51] Bytram|fite is now known as Bytram
[02:50:00] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[02:50:35] <Bytram|away> time for me to crawl into the sack... have a great night everyone!
[02:50:58] <charon> ~gnight Bytram|away
[02:51:00] * exec irresponsibly pilfers your mom's bra, full of bile from Bytram|away
[02:51:11] <Bytram|away> ~gnight charon
[02:51:13] * exec analiciously $action cream of g'day juice $preposition charon
[02:51:29] <charon> the hell?
[02:51:54] <Bytram|away> charon: oh! Is your nick based on an ancient Greek character/person/something?
[02:52:07] <Bytram|away> ~gnight charon
[02:52:09] * exec spontaneously stuffs a pitcher of gold nuggets into charon
[02:52:14] <cmn32480> ~gnight Bytram|away
[02:52:16] * exec irresponsibly pesters a JFS volume of brass grommets with Bytram|away
[02:52:20] <Bytram|away> charon: you won that one!
[02:52:25] <Bytram|away> ~gnight cmn32480
[02:52:26] * exec sardonically rubs the last bucket of freedom on cmn32480
[02:52:39] <cmn32480> I think I won
[02:52:44] <Bytram|away> cmn32480: you won, free and clear!
[02:52:51] <charon> in a roundabout way. i name all my video game characters that, and it ultimately is from that mythical ferryman
[02:53:06] <charon> yay, gold nuggets
[02:53:21] <Bytram|away> ahhh! the one who helped folks cross the river.. Styx?
[02:53:27] <charon> ayep
[02:53:42] <charon> people were buried with coins so they could pay him
[02:54:26] <Bytram|away> Styx was a pretty good band out of the late 70's, too.
[02:54:35] <Bytram|away> and that was prolly about the last time I looked into the name Charon... surprised I remembered that at all!
[02:55:03] <Bytram|away> and with that... a good night to you all!
[02:55:10] <charon> hah, i am a bit too young to really know them, but my big brother played their huge album a lot
[02:55:14] <Bytram|away> au revoir!
[02:55:16] <charon> mr. roboto
[02:55:20] <charon> night night
[02:55:28] <Bytram|away> point of know return?
[02:55:41] <charon> no clue, i'd have to look it up
[02:56:10] <Bytram|away> vague memories... would have to look it up, too.
[02:56:10] <Bytram|away> not tonitgh
[02:56:10] <Bytram|away> *tonight
[02:56:11] <Bytram|away> this time for sure... ciao for now.
[02:58:24] <Fnord666> goodnight Bytram
[03:09:01] <nick> i have move the queue around to create more space between the 'jobs' stories
[03:11:57] <nick> it also created space between the trump ones
[03:13:25] <cmn32480> much obliged, good sir
[03:14:15] <cmn32480> nick - keep in mind that Wednesday evening, we want to start with a 2hour spacing
[03:14:47] <cmn32480> because of the holiday and the expectation that we won't see many subs over the weekend
[03:14:57] <cmn32480> Thursday is American thanksgiving
[03:15:13] <nick> i'm actually having thanksgiving this year apparently, so it should help me remember
[03:15:33] <cmn32480> excellnet
[03:27:50] <charon> cmn32480 or nick, you guys still here?
[03:28:00] <cmn32480> depends
[03:28:05] <nick> vaguely
[03:28:06] <cmn32480> define "here"
[03:30:40] <charon> just wanted to know if i have completed my training. maybe this is for janrinok to decide. like is there any more to it than do it until it feels right?
[03:31:15] <cmn32480> you are on prod, right?
[03:31:26] <charon> yes
[03:31:29] <cmn32480> ok
[03:31:29] <nick> the stories you've pushed through are fine by my standards
[03:31:39] <charon> done six stories released so far
[03:31:43] <cmn32480> then zz_janrinok trusts you enough to unleash you on the world
[03:32:27] <cmn32480> end decision is his and his alone. he may ask for input, but as EiC, that's his baby
[03:32:27] <charon> sort of a terrifying thought
[03:32:35] <cmn32480> always is
[03:32:39] <cmn32480> was for me too
[03:32:47] <nick> keep doing what you're doing
[03:32:55] <cmn32480> ^^^^^ what he said
[03:33:01] <charon> aye aye
[03:33:16] <cmn32480> truth - if he moved you to production, he thinks you are doing a good job
[03:33:25] <cmn32480> and don't sweat making mistakes
[03:33:44] <cmn32480> we all do it
[03:33:54] <cmn32480> 'cept nick... he still ahs a perfect record
[03:34:07] <cmn32480> <wink><wink> <nudge> <bnudge>
[03:34:24] <charon> poor guy, that means the pressure is on to keep it that way
[03:34:33] <cmn32480> yeah
[03:34:43] <cmn32480> see I don't feel any of that pressure.
[03:34:50] <cmn32480> I screw up at least once a day
[03:34:57] <charon> lol
[03:35:05] <cmn32480> keeps me humble
[03:36:21] <charon> well cool. i thought i might still be on probation pending you guys finding out i'm an idiot
[03:36:45] <cmn32480> I dind't say you weren't on probation
[03:37:05] <charon> uh oh. skip that part about me admitting i'm an idiot
[03:37:21] <cmn32480> I just agreed w/ nick when he said to keep doing what you are doing
[03:37:58] <cmn32480> charon - keep doing what you are doing. So far, you are doing just fine. :-)
[03:38:40] * charon feels all warm and fuzzy
[03:41:23] <nick> thanks for coming to help out, your efforts are already appreciated
[03:42:54] <nick> time for me to try and sleep
[03:43:26] <charon> take it easy, nick
[03:43:29] * nick hat tip to a rejuvenated #editorial
[03:43:54] <charon> ~gnight nick
[03:43:56] * exec cautiously poops a coffee++ mug of salt and vinegar chips for nick
[03:46:21] <cmn32480> ~gnight nick
[03:46:23] * exec sneakily generates a small script that substitutes a cheap plastic cup of bacon-flavored candy canes for nick
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[09:27:02] <janrinok> ~eds I am content for charon to become a full editor
[09:27:03] <exec> editor ping for janrinok (reason: i am content for charon to become a full editor): janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram mrcoolbp cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away
[09:30:14] <janrinok> ~tell charon I'm happy for you to become a full editor - I have told the other editors. Congratulations! Welcome to the team. We will arrange the extra perks for you - there aren't many!
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[10:21:09] <cmn32480> I am sure we will regret it
[10:26:09] <janrinok> olol
[10:27:49] <janrinok> cmn32480, I'm sure that you will continue to guide him as he stumbles from one mistake to another - just like we all did!
[10:28:51] <cmn32480> I shall
[10:29:00] <cmn32480> learnign from my mistakes is a full time job
[10:29:33] * janrinok is not quite sure if the technique is paying off in cmn32480's case
[10:31:35] <cmn32480> yeah
[10:31:37] <cmn32480> me neither
[10:31:55] <cmn32480> but at the moment I hav a server that has run out of disk space
[10:32:42] <janrinok> delete the user data!
[10:33:03] <janrinok> or his pron, if that is the larger
[10:33:15] <cmn32480> it's my exchange server
[10:33:25] <cmn32480> at work
[10:33:27] <janrinok> oops - it's your pron....?
[10:33:36] <cmn32480> somethign like that
[10:34:38] <cmn32480> she is verra unhappy atm
[10:35:44] <cmn32480> now I am holding my breath while she shuts down
[10:35:49] <cmn32480> so I cna increase the disk size...
[10:35:56] <cmn32480> it's all VMWare...
[10:36:40] <janrinok> I'm just clearing some of th pol stories from the subs list - they get out of date very quickly
[10:37:02] <cmn32480> and ought to be tossed even more so for most of them
[10:38:37] <janrinok> and I've just gotcha's charon - he's made a sub with no link to the original source material :-)
[10:38:50] <cmn32480> DOH!
[10:39:05] * cmn32480 wonders if he seconded that one
[10:39:45] <janrinok> no, it is still in the sub queue - it is from charon though. I let him find the link and then I'll push it through
[10:40:56] <cmn32480> lol
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[13:41:44] <cmn32480> well exchange is back online adn no worse for wear
[13:41:47] <cmn32480> I think
[13:45:26] <janrinok> what was the problem?
[13:51:51] <janrinok> ~tell FatPhil Everything OK? Not seen you on prod yet.
[13:53:07] <janrinok> ~tell Deucalion please give charon all the extra bits for a full-time editor, cloak, email etc
[13:56:21] <janrinok> ~tell mrpg see my notes in Editors Notes on your most recent story on dev
[13:59:35] <janrinok> ~tell caffeine see my notes in Editors Notes on your most recent story on dev
[14:04:13] <cmn32480> bloddy dsisk filled up
[14:04:25] <cmn32480> and I coudln't extend it without deleting the snapshots...
[14:05:27] <janrinok> ~tell GreatOutdoors|AWAY see my notes in Editors Notes on your most recent story on dev
[14:16:29] <janrinok> ~tell cockroach we are ready to begin one-on-one training on dev if you are available in the next few days--JR
[14:17:01] <janrinok> ~tell Julian we are ready to begin one-on-one training on dev if you are available in the next few days--JR
[14:17:10] <cmn32480> ~last cockroach
[14:17:11] <exec> 03Ops: random, first, last, all, count, source. Parameters: message, nick, channel (regex); since, until (date-/time range); limit (maximum messages to return; default is 1, unless op=all); type [message (plain+action; default), plain, action, nick, mode, join, part, quit, kick, kill, topic]; out [json, php, tab, irc, message, html]; debug (show the query and whatever else)
[14:17:11] <exec>  http://chromas.0x.no
[14:17:28] <cmn32480> ~last nick=cockroach
[14:17:33] <exec> 03[2016-11-15 15:12:4] #editorial <cockroach> aye, thanks, I'll let you know when I think I'm ready for the next phase.
[14:18:11] <cmn32480> ~last nick=sea
[14:18:47] <exec> 03[2016-11-16 14:31:0] #editorial -*- sea suffers
[14:21:58] <janrinok> cmn32480, I'm not sure what that last from sea actually means
[14:22:27] <cmn32480> last time he spoke
[14:22:53] <cmn32480> ~last nick=bytram
[14:22:53] <janrinok> so he said "suffers" ? or what?
[14:23:05] <exec> 03[2016-11-21 02:56:1] #editorial <Bytram|away> this time for sure... ciao for now.
[14:23:06] <cmn32480> it was the last thing he said in the channel
[14:23:27] <cmn32480> without digging in the logs, I haven't the slightest idea
[14:23:34] <cmn32480> of the context
[14:23:47] <janrinok> k, that particular one wasn't as helpful as I had hoped
[14:24:35] <cmn32480> the only part I was looking for was the date time stamp
[14:24:54] <janrinok> k
[14:25:06] <cmn32480> ~last nick=sea type=quit
[14:25:10] <exec> 03[2016-11-16 16:33:2] #editorial <sea> Ping timeout: 244 seconds
[14:25:25] <cmn32480> that't be the last time he quit
[14:25:29] <janrinok> that's 5 days ago now
[14:25:47] * cmn32480 is glad it wasn't 6 or janrinok woudl ahve run out of fingers
[14:26:10] <janrinok> do all your relations have six fingers?
[14:26:25] <janrinok> is there something you want to tell me?
[14:26:55] <cmn32480> nope
[14:27:00] <cmn32480> and nope
[14:27:14] <janrinok> just askin'
[14:27:45] <cmn32480> Like Hemingway's cats, if my 6th toe was any of your business, I'd ahve let you know
[14:28:01] <janrinok> but as you didn't, it probably is
[14:28:13] <cmn32480> likely
[14:28:22] <janrinok> or perhaps that is more schroedinger's cat
[14:31:02] <cmn32480> i just don't know[
[14:31:06] <cmn32480> coudl go either way
[14:32:48] <janrinok> haven't seen or heard much from azumahazuki in the last 4 or 5 days. If I could find her account I would try to contact her...
[14:33:08] <janrinok> ~last nick=azumahazuki
[14:33:12] <exec> 03[2016-11-18 19:27:3] #editorial <AzumaHazuki> jeez, that JMorris guy is nuts...
[14:33:21] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[14:33:24] <exec> └─ 13Azuma Hazuki - SoylentNews User
[14:33:29] <janrinok> oh, that's only 3 days
[14:33:33] <janrinok> ah the missing space
[14:36:06] <cmn32480> she's only been 3 days. I'd give her some time, or drop a note asking if she is ready, or a note telling her to let us know when she is ready
[14:36:19] <janrinok> I've sent her a message asking to contact us on #editorial to let us know what timings might suit her
[14:36:30] <janrinok> ninja'd
[14:37:28] <janrinok> I've also invited gaaark to contact us in the same way. I think that is everyone at least accounted for now
[14:37:58] <cmn32480> i think so.. but I left my scorescard in my other computer
[14:40:30] <janrinok> I'm surrounded by notes but I _think_ we have it covered...
[14:40:45] * cmn32480 pictures a wall of post-its
[14:40:56] <janrinok> not quite, but close enough
[14:42:00] <janrinok> next time (what? we are going to do this again?!) I think we need to formally allocate a trainer to each student so that I know who has the best info on which volunteer
[14:43:06] <janrinok> fast and loose is easy with only 1 or 2 volunteers - 10 is a different challenge
[14:45:54] <cmn32480> yeah
[14:46:08] <cmn32480> we weren't expecting this many, I think, and we were rather unprepared for it
[14:47:34] <janrinok> true, very true. Ten was beyond my wildest dreams - I would have been pleased to see a couple.
[14:47:53] <janrinok> If we can get to keep 3 or 4 of these then I am more than happy
[14:48:00] * cmn32480 notes that janrinoks dreams are fairly tame
[14:48:32] * janrinok notes that only my dreams on this particular topic are fairly tame, some of my other dreams....
[14:48:55] <cmn32480> hey.. there is nothign wrong wiht dreaming about cuddling kittens and puppies
[14:50:28] <janrinok> depends on what you are doing to them - but if you only have six fingers I don't think I would want to pry too deeply into this subject
[14:50:50] <cmn32480> lol
[15:21:38] <janrinok> cmn32480, have a safe journey home
[15:21:48] <cmn32480> ???
[15:21:55] <cmn32480> I am home
[15:22:04] <cmn32480> or did you mean to the loony bin?
[15:22:34] <janrinok> oh, I thought you were at work work, not at home work
[15:22:42] <cmn32480> home work
[15:22:45] <cmn32480> took the week off
[15:23:15] <janrinok> I get confused - it's an age thing
[15:23:35] <cmn32480> yeah... blame the age
[15:24:35] <janrinok> well I could blame the stress and worry about caring for a bunch of editors, which is akin to herding rabid cats
[15:26:42] <cmn32480> yes.. we are a rather unruly bunch
[15:27:13] <n1> ahoy
[15:29:44] <janrinok> ~gay nick
[15:29:48] <janrinok> ~gday n1
[15:29:50] * exec insatiably launches a dong of unicorns toward n1
[15:30:09] <janrinok> oops '~gay nick' was unintentional
[15:30:23] <n1> lol
[15:31:04] * TheMightyBuzzard raises an eyebrow
[15:31:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> freudian slip, janrinok?
[15:31:41] <janrinok> n1 I can assure you that at least 3 of the editors are very pleased to have you return to the fold - I can feel the difference that your contribution and that of charon too has made
[15:32:01] <janrinok> maybe, maybe not - my only worry is did he swallow my excuse?
[15:32:21] <cmn32480> is that what you kids ar calling it these days....
[15:32:51] <janrinok> I haven't been called a kid by anyone for quite some time cmn, as well you know ...
[15:33:35] <n1> https://frinkiac.com
[15:33:39] <exec> └─ 13Frinkiac - Simpsons Meme & GIF Generator
[15:34:01] <janrinok> lol!
[15:38:12] <n1> i need to do some cleaning and take out the trash today, have to find a public disposal place to do it though
[15:38:42] <janrinok> so chucking it out of your moving car is considered OK where you are?
[15:38:46] <n1> garbage is collected 3 times a week here, but when is hard to say, and people just leave plastic bags out on the street, so animals get into it easy
[15:38:50] <janrinok> is not considered*
[15:39:55] <n1> some people do it i think, piles of trash appear in strategic places from what i can tell
[15:40:06] <n1> but i'd rather not contribute to that if i can find somewhere more appropriate
[15:43:29] <janrinok> brb-5 nurse has arrived
[15:59:44] <janrinok> I think I'll start building the subs from Arthur to get us through Thanksgiving
[16:04:04] <cmn32480> p666 has been at it too
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[16:06:38] <cmn32480> well that dind't take long..
[16:14:48] <n1> strange times when a Peugeot 206 comes up behind you wanting to overtake, and you can only move over to let them by...
[16:16:33] <cmn32480> <meep meep>
[16:18:17] <n1> ive been overtaken by everything the last few weeks
[16:20:05] <n1> http://chinaautoweb.com
[16:20:07] <exec> └─ 13Changan Benni Mini 2012 | ChinaAutoWeb
[16:20:19] <n1> if the specs on that site are what the manufacturer is claiming
[16:20:21] <n1> they're fucking liars
[16:21:10] <n1> max speed of 158, peak power 70hp/5600rpm
[16:21:24] <n1> 158kph
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[17:27:51] <mrpg> Hi. Is it me or everytime I put a blockquote the system adds a div inside? it is not necessary, blockquote is a block element AFAIK.
[17:32:43] <cmn32480> it's everybody mrpg
[17:32:55] <cmn32480> jsut the way the system operaties
[17:33:01] <mrpg> :-(
[17:33:17] <mrpg> Well, later we'll move it to HTML5 :-)
[17:33:36] <cmn32480> be sure to talk to TheMightyBuzzard about that conversion
[17:33:58] <cmn32480> I'm sure that he is oh so looking forward to rewriting the entire site for HTML5
[17:34:34] <mrpg> Ok, I was checking github for the code. I was looking fo the use of the "hold" option in the editor :-)
[17:35:24] <cmn32480> virtually the entire site is written in perl, I believe
[17:35:43] <cmn32480> the Hold queue?
[17:35:50] <mrpg> Yes.
[17:35:58] <cmn32480> you ought not need it at this point
[17:36:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut?
[17:36:05] <mrpg> I know not to use it, but was curious.
[17:36:10] <cmn32480> get to work converting to HTML5.
[17:36:19] <mrpg> valid html5.
[17:36:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> we already use some html5. valid... well we're not terribly concerned about it as long as most browsers render it correctly.
[17:37:04] <cmn32480> all it is is a queue that is out of site of the general users, where we will often push smpam until the devs have time to look at it, or dump a shitton of stories from Arthur to make the sub queue look emptier
[17:37:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> welcome to fix that though
[17:37:51] <cmn32480> not me
[17:38:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrpg, i dunno why the div gets put inside, honestly. someone felt it necessary i guess.
[17:42:46] <mrpg> I was checking the code with the W3C validator. Maybe I'll try my hand at the github repo.
[17:44:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> rock on with your bad self. most of the html is going to be in the templates themes/default/templates/
[17:44:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> for the default skin anyway
[17:44:36] <mrpg> ok
[17:45:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you want to know what template is being rendered for what bit of the page... you can usually view source and it'll be there as a comment at the start and end of each template. for most of them.
[17:49:55] <mrpg> Ok I found them, thanks.
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[17:59:11] <charon> ~gday #editorial
[17:59:13] * exec readily mixes a megabyte of pre-snorted fridge mold with #editorial
[17:59:30] <n1> howdy charon
[18:00:19] <charon> hi n1
[18:00:21] <charon> reading log, brb
[18:06:51] <charon> lotsa backscroll
[18:07:41] <charon> janrinok: thank you, and i have the missing link for that sub of mine
[18:09:05] <janrinok> lol np
[18:09:21] <charon> https://health.ucsd.edu
[18:09:24] <exec> └─ 13What Molecules You Leave on Your Phone Reveal About Your Lifestyle
[18:10:03] <n1> i forget to add links to subs sometimes, being an editor makes it easier since i can add it as a note to the sub and no one has to know :D
[18:10:23] <charon> yeah, i did that for the cranberry one when i found the true source
[18:15:30] <charon> ugh. i get to spend the afternoon waiting in line at the RMV to renew my driver's license
[18:16:30] <cmn32480> #smake janrinok
[18:16:30] * MrPlow smakes janrinok upside the head with a fart cloud
[18:16:55] <cmn32480> charon - put the link in the Ed NOtes on the sub
[18:17:25] <charon> too late, janrinok already did it
[18:18:14] <cmn32480> Janrinok - build a man a fire and he will be warm for a night... set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life....
[18:18:33] <janrinok> no flies on me!
[18:18:49] <janrinok> on my trousers - sure, but not on me
[18:18:57] <charon> not gonna lie, being gotcha'd right after being promoted stings a bit
[18:19:06] <cmn32480> at least you are wearing trousers for a change
[18:19:39] <janrinok> that is only the first one! It happens to one of us fairly frequently. And nobody else knows....
[18:20:32] <charon> Your attention please: this site-wide message is to inform you that cmn32480 has, again, screwed something up. That is all.
[18:20:44] <janrinok> charon, we all make mistakes, the more experienced you become the less you will make, and the better you become at hiding them, or making up a good excuse as to why you did whatever you did...
[18:21:11] <cmn32480> you might as well put that on a 12-24 hour random countdown....
[18:21:34] <janrinok> Yesterday, I put stories out on the wrong date, I missed a spelling mistake in a title, and probably more that I haven't spotted yet. But I also corrected them
[18:21:55] <cmn32480> I fixed a bunch of your blockquote mistakes
[18:22:14] <cmn32480> just sayin'
[18:22:26] <charon> lol
[18:22:36] <janrinok> see, I haven't a clue whether he is lying or not
[18:22:41] <cmn32480> and charon - what'd I screw up this time?
[18:22:52] <n1> charon, i assume you've been told this, but if you accidentally put an invalid date and save a story, it will end up in 1972 or something
[18:23:04] <charon> nothing, i just chose you as a target because you wonldn't mind
[18:23:04] <janrinok> come on, that's unfair, he has got that long to list them!
[18:23:11] <janrinok> hasn't *
[18:23:35] <cmn32480> December 31, 1969
[18:23:46] <charon> i've never tried an invalid date, but i've forgotten to set it and had to go back a ton of times
[18:23:56] <cmn32480> janrinok - it was the 64bit story adn the robots taking over the world story
[18:23:58] <janrinok> join the club
[18:24:23] * cmn32480 whispers to janrinok "he already did"
[18:24:30] <n1> if you save a story and it doesn't show up
[18:24:32] <n1> that's what happened
[18:24:46] * janrinok scribbles more notes on a piece of paper
[18:24:53] <charon> so where's my decoder ring and secret handshake?
[18:24:53] <cmn32480> that's why we use the preview button.... a lot
[18:25:15] <janrinok> which button is that? I don't think I've got that on my screen
[18:25:38] <cmn32480> based on past performance, I'd believe that
[18:25:40] <janrinok> damn - I've got 3 of them on one page
[18:25:48] <janrinok> I must try that sometime
[18:26:51] <janrinok> cmn32480, charon, I have asked Deucalion to provide all the additional bits for charon, I don't know if they have been done yet?
[18:27:21] <charon> i have no idea what to be looking for.
[18:27:37] <janrinok> you'll know when you get them
[18:27:41] <charon> but i have the tools i need, so i'm just fine
[18:27:52] <cmn32480> deucalion will contact you on IRC for the IRC stuff,
[18:28:02] <cmn32480> audioguy or mechanicjay will hit you for email
[18:28:25] <charon> ah. i think i have never seen any of those 3 speak in IRC
[18:28:29] <janrinok> who gives him the invite to the other place?
[18:29:21] * janrinok realises that, once again, he hasn't got a clue about how all this hangs together
[18:29:38] <n1> i would assume Deucalion
[18:29:43] <cmn32480> juggs will handle it
[18:29:46] <janrinok> maybe
[18:30:14] <charon> well, anyway, i'm in no hurry
[18:30:33] <janrinok> you will start on the same pay as other junior eds
[18:30:48] <cmn32480> and the senior eds for that matter
[18:31:03] <janrinok> and anyone else who hangs out here
[18:31:32] <janrinok> but you will probably get a 25% bonus for Christmas
[18:31:45] <cmn32480> and a 5% raise for New Years
[18:32:14] <n1> that's what i came back for
[18:32:19] <janrinok> lol
[18:32:28] <charon> sweet, extra 25% is.... carry the 0... wait a second!
[18:32:37] <janrinok> I knew it wasn't a coincidence n1
[18:34:45] <n1> https://twitter.com
[18:34:47] <exec> └─ 13Jennifer Epstein on Twitter: "Here are the TV execs and anchors who have entered the elevators at Trump Tower to go to an off-the-record meeting with the president-elect https://t.co"
[18:35:08] <n1> is apparently happening at the moment
[18:35:31] <janrinok> he's building his group of supporters maybe?
[18:36:17] <charon> off the record?
[18:36:22] <janrinok> with bribes
[18:36:43] <janrinok> oh, sorry, that was a typo, should have read 'with coffee'
[18:37:03] <cmn32480> wow your typoing is worse than mine
[18:37:40] <janrinok> lol
[18:39:01] <n1> https://www.youtube.com
[18:39:03] <exec> └─ 13DJ Shadow feat. Run The Jewels - Nobody Speak (Official Video) - YouTube
[18:39:42] <janrinok> time for a cup of tea
[18:39:47] <janrinok> tea++
[18:39:47] <Bender> karma - tea: 24
[18:39:58] <n1> i am continuing with beer for the moment
[18:43:09] <charon> it's after noon somewhere
[18:44:00] <janrinok> seems like the only feedback from the Tails story was 'keep on reporting it' but I didn't expect anyone who doesn't read about Tails to make a comment asking us to stop...
[18:46:59] <n1> https://soylentnews.org
[18:47:01] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Tails Linux 2.7 is Released
[18:47:26] <n1> i think that's a bit over the top, but it did make me think about it a bit differently
[18:48:40] <n1> i have noted before not being a fan of running a story every time there's a Tails release
[18:49:11] <n1> but now, fair enough, a story a month is worth it
[18:50:13] <janrinok> I just slip it in between to 'normal' stories, it doesn't take a full time slot
[18:50:28] <charon> i am off, folks. time to get gussied up for the photo that will be on my license for 10 years
[18:50:50] <charon> ~gday editorial
[18:50:52] * exec cautiously queefs a box of privilege at editorial
[18:50:54] <janrinok> ~gday charon
[18:50:56] * exec provocatively piles an F cup of confusement on charon
[18:51:11] <janrinok> as if he needed any more confusement
[18:51:18] * n1 hat tip charon
[18:51:19] <charon> heh
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[19:19:59] <janrinok> ~eds I've started stashing Arthur's stories on the Hold queue in case we need them for the weekend
[19:20:00] <exec> editor ping for janrinok (reason: i've started stashing arthur's stories on the hold queue in case we need them for the weekend): janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram mrcoolbp cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away
[19:20:26] <janrinok> cmn32480, who adds charon to the ~eds ping?
[19:23:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> and FatPhil too, yeah?
[19:23:50] <janrinok> yes please
[19:23:58] * TheMightyBuzzard points at cmn32480
[19:24:12] <janrinok> that's what I thought
[19:24:33] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard, you can get back to your super-secure browser now :)
[19:40:19] <cmn32480> I will take care of it this evening.. heading out for a wake atm
[19:40:49] <janrinok> OK tomorrow maybe. be safe, best wishes to J
[19:41:05] <cmn32480> it'll get done. no worries
[19:41:09] <cmn32480> ~gnight janrinok
[19:41:11] * exec proverbially queefs an overflowing chest of bewb at janrinok
[19:41:47] <cmn32480> you lucky bastard.. a chest full of bewbs....
[19:42:43] <janrinok> can never have too many bewbs
[19:46:08] <janrinok> ~gnight cmn32480
[19:46:11] * exec spontaneously $action a petabyte of cheesy poofs $preposition cmn32480
[19:57:08] <janrinok> time for me to leave, I'll be back on tomorrow
[19:57:19] <janrinok> ~gnight #editorial
[19:57:21] * exec abrasively pilfers a test tube of truthiness from #editorial
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[20:07:55] <n1> ah see, i did it myself and posted two stories at the wrong time
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[20:09:12] <n1> hi mrpg
[20:09:42] <mrpg> Hi n1
[20:14:27] <mrpg> I'm checking the html of the site, it's ok, most errors are due to & not encoded like &amp; in the editor window and some forms without a fieldset or div. So it's 35 errors per page but it's ok. I'm on github now.
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[20:21:10] <Fnord666> hello all!
[20:25:09] <n1> ahoy Fnord666
[20:25:36] <Fnord666> Hi n1
[20:25:46] <Fnord666> How's it going today?
[20:26:12] <mrpg> hi
[20:26:54] <Fnord666> hey mrpg. Good afternoon.
[20:26:57] <n1> it's going pretty good, i've had a few beers this afternoon in between cleaning
[20:27:02] <n1> how's things for you?
[20:27:47] <Fnord666> Doing well. Took the day off and went to see "Arrival" Pretty good movie in my opinion. I liked the short story a little better but both were good.
[20:29:11] <Fnord666> mrpg - How's your day going?
[20:29:32] * n1 goes to google "arrival"
[20:29:59] <Fnord666> http://www.imdb.com
[20:30:01] <exec> └─ 13Arrival (2016) - IMDb
[20:30:18] <mrpg> Fine. Now checking the html of the site and making pull requests. Later, some exercise (pull ups).
[20:31:03] <Fnord666> The joys of git.
[20:36:10] <Fnord666> Anything interesting on the prod submissions queue today?
[20:37:32] <n1> the most recent subs seem not too bad
[20:38:03] <n1> but i think it will be a slow week for subs and news in general
[20:38:20] <n1> thanksgiving and such, journalists are lazy, people are extra busy.
[20:39:01] <Fnord666> Probably.
[20:39:31] <Fnord666> Historically has that been the case? Do we keep statistics/analytics like that?
[20:40:09] <n1> there has been attempts to keep that, and there is some raw data available somewhere
[20:40:32] <n1> in my experience subs are inconsistent, the weekends are always quiet
[20:40:37] <n1> and holiday seasons
[20:41:58] <n1> if it wasn't for P666, arthur and IRC it would be very hard to keep a semblance of quality
[20:42:27] <Fnord666> Which is P666?
[20:42:40] <n1> as many have said in comments at various times... if you want to see a certain type of stories here you have to submit them it's not magic
[20:42:57] <n1> Phoenix666
[20:43:57] <Fnord666> Got it.
[20:44:16] <Fnord666> I have a question about a story in the prod submission queue if you have a second.
[20:44:23] <n1> sure
[20:44:28] <Fnord666> "Where Have All The Good eBook Readers Gone?
[20:44:29] <Fnord666> "
[20:45:01] <Fnord666> IS basically an Ask SoylentNews sort of submission.
[20:45:23] <n1> it is an ask soylent question
[20:45:58] <n1> there's no source article and it's asking a (broad) question of the community
[20:46:08] <Fnord666> Is that the basic template that we would use to edit it? IS there a basic template for formatting these?
[20:46:53] <Fnord666> And do we have any sort of guidance on when we would want to slate an "Ask Soylent" sort of story?
[20:47:18] <Fnord666> By that I mean a time to release it onto the front page.
[20:48:04] <n1> there's no template for an ask, story aside putting "answers" as a topic and any other relevant topics are fine too, and "Ask Soylent:" in the headline can draw more comments
[20:48:42] <n1> generally the stories you want to give the best showing I put up for sometime after 13:00 UTC
[20:48:52] <n1> but it doesn't really make much difference
[20:51:49] <Fnord666> ok.
[20:52:02] <n1> my primary thought at the moment is just having a reasonable spread of topics, two stories in a row should be in different
[20:52:52] <n1> last night we almost ended up with the two trump and jobs stories after each other
[20:52:55] <n1> and that doesnt help anyone
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[20:55:23] <n1> hi Gaaark
[20:55:34] <Gaaark> hethello
[20:55:38] <Gaaark> hello
[20:57:26] <Fnord666> n1 - That makes sense.
[20:59:04] <Fnord666> I took that submission and resubmitted it into the dev system, then edited it into a story. If someone would take a look at it and provide me with feedback I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
[20:59:51] <Fnord666> hey Gaaark. Good afternoon.
[21:00:31] <Fnord666> headline is "Ask Soylent: Where Have All the Good EBook Readers Gone?"
[21:01:31] <Gaaark> man, i feel like a squib... does anyone know a good chat client for linux?
[21:01:35] <Fnord666> BTW is there a preferred form to refer to ebook readers?
[21:02:10] <Fnord666> hexchat is what I use and it has a Linux client. I haven't tried it on that platform yet though.
[21:03:19] <n1> agree hexchat
[21:03:32] <n1> it's consistent between platforms in my experience
[21:06:34] <Gaaark> Okay, sorry... i'll hae to work on getting this set up: thanks for the help. may be frequently afk
[21:06:55] <Fnord666> Have fun!
[21:10:01] <n1> Fnord666, the story looks good. Only thing i'd change is remove the parts in brackets, the second can stay but just put a comma. But that is just my opinion
[21:14:15] <Fnord666> For the first list would you move " My hard requirements are:" down on a line by itself, similar to the second list?
[21:15:36] <n1> it would depend on my mood
[21:15:42] <n1> but really, probably
[21:16:05] <mrpg> Gaaark: I'm having fun with thunderbird in windows and I'm trying pidgin in linux. It's ok.
[21:17:17] <n1> Fnord666, you might as well move it, and you can take my suggestions if you want. janrinok will take a look tomorrow and let you know his thoughts
[21:19:15] <Fnord666> Thanks. I have updated the story. Would you mind glancing at it and seeing if the changes are what you had in mind for the parentheses?
[21:22:15] <n1> looks ok, but now it's a bit more obviously inconsistent with all the second list ending with a full stop but the first list doesn't, and there's a sentence as a list item
[21:23:39] <Fnord666> I was wondering about that.
[21:24:22] <Fnord666> Should I leave the full stop off of all list items at the end?
[21:24:49] <n1> i would just add one to the last item on the first list
[21:25:26] <Fnord666> and remove it from the 2nd item in the second list?
[21:25:53] <n1> i will leave that decision up to you ;)
[21:26:07] <Fnord666> thanks.
[21:26:31] <n1> don't really know the technically correct way, or our what our general policy would be... you picked an interesting sub in that regard, heh
[21:27:29] <Fnord666> Thanks.
[21:28:24] <Fnord666> I appreciate your help and guidance on this sub.
[21:29:02] <n1> i try to keep things as informative as possible in as compact form as possible whilst being easy to read
[21:30:04] <n1> but i don't know shit about the formalities and nuances of grammar and punctuation
[21:31:02] <Fnord666> From what I've seen you know it just fine.
[21:31:22] <Fnord666> I look forward to Janrinok's comments. For now I have to go afk for a while for a function at my daughter's school.
[21:31:32] <Fnord666> I will talk to everyone later.
[21:31:40] <n1> take care
[21:31:42] * n1 hat tip
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[23:47:45] <Bytram> hola
[23:47:50] * Bytram has read backscrool in a few channels... haven't caught up with this one...
[23:48:15] <Bytram> n1: Saw you were looking at the Japan Earthquake story... was wondering if you were going to run it or not?
[23:48:30] <Bytram> found another link to use, if you are itnerested: http://www.aljazeera.com
[23:48:31] <exec> └─ 13Major earthquake strikes off Japan - News from Al Jazeera
[23:51:48] <Bytram> and here's a direct link to the US Geological Survey summary page on the quake: http://earthquake.usgs.gov
[23:51:50] <exec> └─ 13M6.9 - 37km ESE of Namie, Japan
[23:56:52] <Bytram> also: https://www.washingtonpost.com
[23:56:54] <exec> └─ 13Japan’s Fukushima region rocked by 7.4 magnitude earthquake - The Washington Post
[23:57:10] <n1> i couldn't decide
[23:57:14] <Bytram> http://www.cbsnews.com
[23:57:15] <exec> └─ 13Tsunami warning issued after massive earthquake off Fukushima in Japan - CBS News
[23:57:44] <Bytram> some reports said there was a prediciton of a tsunami (ISTR hearing 3 meter) but cannot track down ref
[23:58:36] <Bytram> this is same prefecture as the "nuclear reactor quake" -- Fukushima
[23:59:16] <Bytram> say what you will about 'em but I found the Al Jazeera report I listed to be level-headed and informative.
[23:59:21] <n1> it is newsworthy
[23:59:33] <Bytram> I'd say go ahead and run it as breaking news.
[23:59:58] <caffeine> http://www.abc.net.au