#editorial | Logs for 2016-11-20

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[00:00:37] <mrpg> In dev it posts the story right now, I tried it today.
[00:01:00] <nick> yeah
[00:01:21] <charon> ah, i'll make note not to play with that on live
[00:01:21] <nick> if there's a story thats been updated you'd use it
[00:01:32] <nick> but generally we don't ever use it
[00:03:06] <nick> set a time manually normally, even on a breaking news story, as you'd ideally be waiting for a second sign off
[00:03:32] <nick> but if there's an developing breaking news story already published that gets updated, then it could be used.
[00:04:14] <charon> i should try it on dev, but does it publish instantly if you set a time in the past?
[00:04:34] <nick> yes
[00:04:48] <charon> fun!
[00:04:52] <nick> it will take a couple minutes to show up on the main page due to the cache
[00:04:56] <nick> so you can catch it before anyone sees
[00:05:24] <nick> we've all done it i think, worked on a story for a few minutes, forgot to set a time, updated it
[00:05:31] <nick> "Oh shit..."
[00:06:21] <charon> lol
[00:06:35] <charon> all good and 2nded
[00:06:38] <mrpg> hehe me too (in dev)
[00:06:55] <cmn32480> heay everybody
[00:07:00] <mrpg> Why stories sometimes say "x words in story"?
[00:07:17] <cmn32480> those are stories that ahve stuff in the extended copy
[00:07:37] <cmn32480> where the entire story isn't in the Intro Copy box
[00:07:37] <charon> ~gday cmn32480
[00:07:39] * exec irresponsibly blows a B cup of logical phalluses at cmn32480
[00:07:44] <cmn32480> ~gday charon
[00:07:46] * exec abnormally reticulates a 55 gallon drum of estrogen for charon
[00:08:01] * cmn32480 thinks we both lose on this one
[00:08:06] <charon> indeed
[00:08:11] <nick> cmn32480, are we still adding some variation on 'continues...' to extended copy stories?
[00:08:20] <cmn32480> [Continues...]
[00:08:24] <cmn32480> wiht the brackets
[00:08:33] <cmn32480> or, we are supposed to be'
[00:08:53] <charon> [You won't believe number 6...]
[00:08:55] <nick> that's normally what i'd do, but now i know that's what i'm supposed to do....
[00:09:31] <cmn32480> it's a weird day when #editorial has more traffic than #soylent
[00:09:55] <cmn32480> mrpg - have you been through the basics of the interface?
[00:10:35] <mrpg> cmn32480: Yes, yesterday and today I've been reading the wiki and practicing.
[00:10:43] <nick> wow, so many moderations on my DM/Lego story comments....
[00:10:54] <cmn32480> has one of the senior eds run you through?
[00:11:19] * cmn32480 can't say he is but a lowly junior editor anymore....
[00:11:36] * cmn32480 feels some nostalgia for the good old days
[00:11:50] <nick> certainly not, no excuses.
[00:11:54] <charon> how do you see moderations?
[00:11:55] <mrpg> janrinok talked to me yesterday for two hours.
[00:12:02] <cmn32480> perfect
[00:12:08] <charon> mrpg: i am so so sorry
[00:12:12] <cmn32480> janrinok is a fabulous teacher
[00:12:17] <nick> charon, you should get a message on the website every 24hrs saying the moderations you got on comments
[00:12:36] <cmn32480> as editors, we can see WHO made the mods
[00:12:41] <nick> indeed we can
[00:12:56] <mrpg> charon: it was fun
[00:12:57] <cmn32480> by clicking on the comment # in the comment header
[00:13:45] <nick> cmn32480, you say fabulous, but look how we turned out.
[00:14:14] * cmn32480 was trying to be nice
[00:14:57] <cmn32480> an dI didn't say I absorbed or listened to everythgin that zz_janrinok said.. jsut that he was a good teacher
[00:15:43] <nick> is true, good teachers can't fix inherently bad students
[00:15:52] <cmn32480> precisely, sir
[00:17:02] <cmn32480> we turned out ok despite ourselves, I tend to think
[00:17:38] <cmn32480> now look at us... teching a new generation our wicked ways
[00:17:55] * cmn32480 can feel the Dark Side growing within him....
[00:18:52] <nick> all the power of knowing the headlines before they happen can go to your head...
[00:19:42] <cmn32480> I try to remember the little people...
[00:20:16] * charon waves
[00:20:33] <nick> it's hard to see them from that private jet of yours i'm sure
[00:20:35] * cmn32480 gets his binoculars to see that far down from his ivory tower
[00:21:21] <nick> oh you've got the ivory tower as well as the jet-set lifestyle, nice
[00:21:32] * charon is glad just for the chance to glimpse such greatness
[00:21:37] <cmn32480> editoring pays well
[00:21:58] <cmn32480> just don't touch my private jet and ovory tower Lego sets...
[00:22:07] <cmn32480> s/ovary/ivory/
[00:22:17] <cmn32480> s/ovory/ivory/
[00:22:18] <exec> <cmn32480> just don't touch my private jet and ivory tower Lego sets...
[00:23:32] <nick> that's some fancy lego sets
[00:24:19] <nick> can't get over the price of lego now, it's an expensive toy/hobby thing...
[00:24:31] <cmn32480> yes
[00:24:36] <cmn32480> depends on wht you do
[00:24:47] <cmn32480> the sets for Star Wars etc are always expensive
[00:25:02] <cmn32480> but you can get a thousand blocks on Black Friday for like $40
[00:25:15] <nick> even a few years ago now, i went to buy some so i could have a corner of my desk for lego projects when i'm procrastinating
[00:25:24] <nick> for how much i spent, couldn't do much with it.
[00:26:13] <nick> i can't remember exactly what i bought now, but it was couple small plastic tubs of 'assorted lego pieces'
[00:27:18] <nick> i wanted to buy a lego/movie thing as a gift, went to the store and the only one they had left in stock was £50 or something and it looked shit.
[00:28:31] <nick> the star wars thing has been really good business for them
[00:29:04] <cmn32480> https://smile.amazon.com
[00:29:05] <exec> └─ 13Amazon.com Page Not Found
[00:29:15] <cmn32480> https://smile.amazon.com
[00:29:41] <charon> my son has a huge amount of legos, but now that he's almost a teenager he doesn't play with them anymore
[00:29:47] <cmn32480> that one is usually on sale for black Friday next week
[00:30:04] <cmn32480> I played w/ Legos well into my teens and still love them
[00:31:26] <charon> the best lego set is the creative one with about 30 minifigs and their accessories and bicycles and other city stuff. no actual bricks, but figs to do your own thing with
[00:32:39] <cmn32480> I like the 3 in 1 sets too
[00:33:09] <cmn32480> but I gotta dmit.. may favorite are the big Star Wars ships
[00:33:59] <charon> ok, the -wing is pretty darned awesome
[00:34:06] <charon> X-wing
[00:34:17] <cmn32480> I want this one.. but don't have the extra $$$
[00:34:18] <cmn32480> https://smile.amazon.com
[00:35:10] <Greatoutdoors|afk> Just noticed the convo: Sluvan and Kre-o make some pretty good building blocks, I bought them for my nephews last year and they are pretty good quality, and much cheaper. Their prices are higher this year, but still better than lego.
[00:35:12] <Greatoutdoors|afk> https://www.amazon.com
[00:35:24] <Greatoutdoors|afk> https://www.amazon.com
[00:35:40] <charon> OMG, it's showing me a price of $5999
[00:36:22] <charon> holy crap, amazon
[00:36:29] <Greatoutdoors|afk> lol
[00:37:02] <cmn32480> yeah
[00:37:10] <cmn32480> that is like 5200 pieces...
[00:37:12] <charon> that's really the price?
[00:37:13] <Greatoutdoors|afk> I looked at the new nintendo that the company suggests as $59.99 MSRP, and Amazon/Walmart want $500 each.
[00:37:19] <cmn32480> weighs in at near 25lbs
[00:37:36] <charon> 1/4 scale millenium falcon
[00:37:46] <Greatoutdoors|afk> Anyaway, I just tossed in my 2 cents and am out again.
[00:37:46] <cmn32480> editing doesn't pay that well
[00:38:42] <charon> Greatoutdoors|afk: my kids have some kreo blocks too, but they have a slightly cheaper feel to them. still good stuff though
[00:40:11] <cmn32480> side note: if any new eds haven't run the interface or want to wlk through, I'm going to do a session w/ Fnord666_Away in about an hour
[00:40:21] <Greatoutdoors|afk> Last year I got the optimus prime for $35, so their prices are definitely going up with their popularity.
[00:40:32] <cmn32480> we can set up a room so that mroe than one of us can listen in and I only have to ype it once
[00:41:09] <Greatoutdoors|afk> cmn: I did another article this morning if you want to review it for me. janrino was going to, but didn't have time.
[00:41:17] <cmn32480> on dev?
[00:41:21] <Greatoutdoors|afk> yeah
[00:41:41] <cmn32480> don't froget - if you ttpy ehe frist couple letters of the nick here in IRC and hit tab, it will fill in for you
[00:42:00] <cmn32480> dear god.. my typing is AWFUL this evening
[00:42:03] <Caffeine> Have a look at https://education.lego.com
[00:42:05] <exec> └─ 13LEGO.com Education 9580 - LEGO® Education WeDo Construction Set
[00:42:07] <cmn32480> more so than normal
[00:42:23] <cmn32480> that was the ones we were talking about yesterday, right?
[00:42:31] <Greatoutdoors|afk> Me and janrino went over my other articles and I got some pointers.
[00:42:39] <Caffeine> You can control it from Scratch on linux. Good way to get kids more involved in coding.
[00:42:46] <charon> cmn32480: hell no, i am going to get on right after you finish and make you do it all over
[00:42:55] <cmn32480> #smake charon
[00:42:55] * MrPlow smakes charon upside the head with a wild penis
[00:43:03] <Greatoutdoors|afk> Or, just log it and send the log....
[00:43:21] <cmn32480> better choice!~
[00:43:29] <Greatoutdoors|afk> heh... slap is still a thing in mIRC too.....
[00:43:31] * Greatoutdoors|afk slaps cmn32480 around a bit with a large trout
[00:43:48] <Greatoutdoors|afk> and it's still a large trout...
[00:43:53] <charon> more fun with mad libs
[00:44:16] <charon> #smake Greatoutdoors|afk
[00:44:16] * MrPlow smakes Greatoutdoors|afk upside the head with lesbian gas
[00:44:19] <cmn32480> but MRplow has a list
[00:44:25] <cmn32480> and we can add to the list
[00:44:38] <cmn32480> #smakeadd a new editor
[00:44:38] <MrPlow> "a new editor" added.
[00:44:47] <charon> lesbian is not an adjective?
[00:44:56] <Greatoutdoors|afk> #smake
[00:44:59] <cmn32480> also a noun
[00:45:00] <Greatoutdoors|afk> #smake charon
[00:45:00] * MrPlow smakes charon upside the head with gloveslap
[00:45:04] <Greatoutdoors|afk> nice.
[00:46:01] <charon> ffs, why cant gewg_ link to the MPR story which is reasonable and non-inflammatory instead of alternet?
[00:46:25] <cmn32480> I'm pretty sure you hav answered your own question
[00:47:02] <nick> lol
[00:47:38] <nick> good ol' gewg_
[00:48:15] <charon> i'm not even sure i want to approve it. it's not tech related at all
[00:49:08] <cmn32480> use caution
[00:49:16] <cmn32480> which story are you looking at
[00:49:20] <cmn32480> linky, please
[00:49:42] <charon> https://soylentnews.org
[00:49:45] <exec> └─ 13Update: Cop Charged With Manslaughter in Philando Castile Killing: SoylentNews Submission
[00:49:58] <Greatoutdoors|afk> So I want to go see a movie tonight... Arrival or Dr. Strange... Opinions/
[00:49:59] <Greatoutdoors|afk> ?
[00:50:16] <cmn32480> Dr. strange.
[00:50:18] <charon> Dr Strange is fun, have not seen Arrival.
[00:50:21] <cmn32480> or at leat that's the one I wanna see
[00:50:30] <charon> there was a preview for it that made it look decent though
[00:51:28] <cmn32480> charon - I probably woudln't even run it
[00:51:38] <Greatoutdoors|afk> Maybe both if they play in order.. I hve no life so it doesn't really matter...
[00:51:41] <Greatoutdoors|afk> lol
[00:52:05] <cmn32480> drop your thoguhts on it in the Ed Notes if you are unsure.
[00:52:18] <charon> i was leaning that way too.
[00:52:44] <cmn32480> the only thing that is going to do is be a flame war. Has no real value to us, no technical angle, and is strictly a social commentary article.
[00:53:13] <Greatoutdoors|afk> My opinion (on your article) - It is news, but every mainstream news agency will be reporting on it, and there really isn't a lot of discussion to be had for it.
[00:53:46] <cmn32480> gewg_ isn't a registered account
[00:54:03] <cmn32480> he does everythgin as AC, and as such, we don't need to put a reason for deletion.
[00:54:31] <cmn32480> that being said, I don't suggest that you guys be deleting stuff on prod w/o talking to somebody first
[00:54:47] <charon> abbsolutely not. that's why i brought it up
[00:56:07] <charon> that story hits me a bit, because i used to live in Mpls. i know the neighborhood where it happened
[00:56:43] <Greatoutdoors|afk> FYI: Dr. Strange it is. See yas later tonight.
[00:56:56] <charon> enjoy, Greatoutdoors|afk
[00:57:38] <mrpg> I think it is like getting married, if you have doubt then don't post it.
[00:57:51] <cmn32480> Greatoutdoors|afk - just dropped a comment on that story on dev for you
[00:58:11] * cmn32480 wishes my sister had known that the first time around
[00:58:31] <charon> good advice
[00:58:52] * cmn32480 will be back about 30 min.. I have a kid needing a bath
[00:59:26] <Greatoutdoors|afk> I see no note.
[01:01:03] <charon> it's a comment on the atricle
[01:01:28] <cmn32480> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[01:01:31] <exec> └─ 13Dev.SN Comments | Would You Start a Fire? Trapped in a New-Build Server Farm
[01:02:00] <charon> from the Billy-Joel dept.
[01:04:56] <Greatoutdoors|afk> I see.
[01:05:08] <Greatoutdoors|afk> I'm really leaving now.. adios
[01:08:19] Fnord666_Away is now known as Fnord666
[01:09:49] * nick hat tip
[01:09:53] <nick> hey Fnord666
[01:18:08] <cmn32480> ok
[01:18:09] <cmn32480> I'm back
[01:18:15] <cmn32480> wife upstairs
[01:18:17] <cmn32480> kids in bed
[01:18:27] * cmn32480 enjoys the relative silence
[01:18:43] <charon> don't fall asleep
[01:19:13] <cmn32480> can't gotta bring Fnord666 up to speed
[01:19:21] <cmn32480> and I napped earlier charon
[01:20:13] <cmn32480> was sitting in my office chair.. leaned back and closed my eyes for jsut a second...
[01:20:25] <cmn32480> 2 hours later my wife came in adn told me dinner was ready
[01:20:50] <Fnord666> hey nick. missed your hello
[01:22:13] <nick> cmn32480, at least you got woken up for dinner
[01:22:19] <charon> man, you must have needed the rest
[01:22:20] <cmn32480> yeah
[01:22:32] <cmn32480> charon - I travel for a living
[01:22:39] <cmn32480> airplanes, cars, whatever
[01:22:48] <cmn32480> long hours at custoemr sites,
[01:23:00] <cmn32480> and the last 6 weeks or so have been rather brutal
[01:23:34] <cmn32480> got woken up this morning at 0630 for a cub scout pancake breakfast fund raiser at Applebees...
[01:23:44] <cmn32480> and around 4pm the tank was empty
[01:23:49] <charon> i bet
[01:23:49] <Fnord666> pancakes at Applebees?
[01:23:53] <cmn32480> yeah
[01:24:14] <charon> the important thing here is Cub Scouts at Applebee's
[01:24:15] <cmn32480> the one here (and I don't know if this is a chain wide thign) does a lot of community charity work
[01:24:22] <charon> = loud
[01:24:35] <cmn32480> so we set up once a year to do a pancakae breakfast at applebees
[01:24:45] <cmn32480> $8 a head, the scouts serve,
[01:24:49] <cmn32480> and we rpomote it
[01:25:05] <cmn32480> Applebees gets some percentage per head
[01:25:09] <Fnord666> Interesting. I can't say that I've seen any community related activity at any of the Applebees in this area.
[01:25:12] <cmn32480> and we get to keep the rest
[01:25:24] -!- mrpg [mrpg!~Thunderbi@201.209.thr.nnk] has parted #editorial
[01:25:48] <cmn32480> if you are involved with a cub/boy/gir scout pack or troop it is somethign to look inot
[01:26:09] <cmn32480> we made about $300 for 2 hours work for the packl this mornign
[01:26:10] <Fnord666> My daughter's GS troop did one every year.
[01:26:22] <cmn32480> and it is a lot of fun
[01:27:01] <cmn32480> any other new editors wanna sit through this training on the interface?
[01:27:09] <Fnord666> They certainly can be. The one they did was at a local airport and was tied in with a small air show.
[01:27:17] <cmn32480> great spot to ask questions, comments, insights,
[01:27:31] <cmn32480> potential for a LOT more people
[01:27:51] <Fnord666> There was definitely a great turnout
[01:28:03] <Fnord666> the setup was in a hanger so we had the space too
[01:28:29] <cmn32480> ok.. Fnord666 PM
[01:32:19] <charon> i can sit in, but only for another 20 mins
[01:32:36] <cmn32480> \is ok he may not have rights on dev.. so this may be a moot point
[01:32:42] <charon> oh
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[02:42:08] <mrpg> Hi, should I write in italics the names of the TV shows Tosh.0, Jackass and Mythbusters in https://dev.soylentnews.org the wiki says yes.
[02:42:11] <exec> └─ 13Error
[02:42:18] <mrpg> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:42:20] <exec> └─ 13The Science of Stupid - Dev.SN
[02:42:37] <mrpg> exec: hi bot
[02:42:51] <cmn32480> mrpg - yes us e an <em> tag
[02:43:51] <mrpg> ok thank you.
[02:44:01] <cmn32480> np
[02:48:32] <mrpg> And if the name is a link? Say "An EU-funded research project called SOLAR-JET has produced "
[02:48:55] <cmn32480> <em> inside the link
[02:49:17] <mrpg> ok.
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[02:54:48] <mrpg> Enough for today, thank you, bye.
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[04:29:59] Greatoutdoors|afk is now known as GreatOutdoors
[04:30:05] <GreatOutdoors> Hola peeps
[04:30:37] <charon> hiyo GO. how was the movie?
[04:30:46] <GreatOutdoors> charon / cmn32480: Great choice. Movie was awesome
[04:30:54] <cmn32480> good
[04:30:58] <cmn32480> I shoudl go see it
[04:31:05] <GreatOutdoors> Especialy the two after the credits scenes
[04:31:44] <charon> it's the kind of movie that when it was over, i thought, "wow, it's been two hours already?" just sweeps you up
[04:32:08] <GreatOutdoors> Yep. It didn't seem that long at all.
[04:32:23] <GreatOutdoors> Ready for the next one now
[04:32:33] <charon> hah
[04:32:59] <cmn32480> gentslemen
[04:33:00] <charon> the next Marvel movie i'm looking forward to is Black Panther
[04:33:02] <cmn32480> it's been a fine day
[04:33:03] <GreatOutdoors> Stil want to see the alien movie also.
[04:33:08] <cmn32480> I'm goign to bed
[04:33:17] <cmn32480> ~gngiht #editiorail
[04:33:18] <charon> ~gnight cmn32480
[04:33:20] * exec sexually planks an assload of pleasant hooters for cmn32480
[04:33:22] <GreatOutdoors> they are tying them all together really well too.
[04:33:25] <cmn32480> ~gnight #editorial
[04:33:26] * exec hurriedly pukes a B-tree of hypergolic buttsauce on #editorial
[04:33:28] <GreatOutdoors> nite
[04:34:00] <charon> hypergolic buttsauce. thanks, TMB
[04:35:05] <Bytram> ~gnight cmn32480
[04:35:07] * exec seductively rubs a mighty bundle of procrastination on cmn32480
[04:35:15] <cmn32480> ~gngiht bytram
[04:35:17] <Fnord666> ~gnight cmn32480
[04:35:19] * exec cromulently gives birth to The Cloud of wasabi gummy fish for cmn32480
[04:35:23] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[04:35:24] * exec seductively a vial of ether floccinaucinihilipilificates bytram
[04:35:27] <cmn32480> ~gnight Fnord666
[04:35:29] * exec theoretically runs the Installshield Wizard to set up an anvil of onion dip for Fnord666
[04:35:41] * Bytram prefers onion rings to onion dip
[04:35:52] * cmn32480 keeps the wasabi gummy fish
[04:36:06] <Bytram> cmn32480: pracrastinated gummy fish... I think you won
[04:36:11] <GreatOutdoors> So... off to edit at least one more article for the night. Gotta prove I can be edity-ish..
[04:36:15] * Fnord666 would try wasabi gummy fish
[04:36:30] * Bytram would try wasabi gummy fish, too
[04:36:48] <cmn32480> GreatOutdoors - we'll tear it apart tomorrow morning in the commetns under the article
[04:36:49] <charon> i would smell them. i would not eat
[04:36:56] <GreatOutdoors> Deal.
[04:38:00] <Bytram> smells like chicken?
[04:38:40] <Fnord666> The machines don't know what chicken smells like.
[04:38:49] <charon> smells like a sinus clearing apocalypse
[04:39:53] <Fnord666> That would be Carolina Reaper gummy fish
[04:40:12] <Fnord666> https://en.wikipedia.org
[04:40:13] <exec> └─ 13Carolina Reaper - Wikipedia
[04:40:22] <charon> oh god. that is seriously the worst thing i've heard today
[04:40:49] <Fnord666> 2.2 million Scovilles
[04:41:38] <charon> man, what kind of person do you have to be to do that to yourself?
[04:43:26] <Fnord666> Apparently you need to be someone like Wayne Algenio, who ate 22 Carolina Reapers in 60 seconds.
[04:44:02] <Fnord666> Personally I don't know anyone who has been able to keep a whole one down after eating it.
[04:44:58] <Fnord666> People do it though.
[04:45:51] <Fnord666> I do have a serious question about a story in the dev submission queue and what you would do with it though.
[04:46:35] <Fnord666> I was looking at the story "We can't use all the fossil fuels already available"
[04:47:32] <Fnord666> and I can't find any basis in the linked story for the topic or conclusion of the submission.
[04:48:01] <charon> on dev?
[04:48:12] <Fnord666> yes please
[04:49:50] <charon> looks like the title is misleading by using "can't"
[04:50:14] <charon> seems at first to be saying there's no way we could ever use that much
[04:50:49] <Fnord666> From the submission:"The interesting result is that we actually already have access to more fossil fuels than we could use [ucl.ac.uk] according to the models available."
[04:51:09] <Fnord666> Which doesn't seem to be what the linked article is about at all.
[04:52:03] <Fnord666> Or is the submitter trying to say more than we "should" use.
[04:52:43] <charon> i would re-write the section of the sub which explains the quote
[04:53:03] <charon> yeah, should is a better word
[04:53:05] <GreatOutdoors> And change the topic to something that matches the story
[04:53:35] <charon> sub is saying: if we use it all, we will not meet the global temperature limits so we can't
[04:53:57] <charon> (shouldn't)
[04:54:04] <GreatOutdoors> aha..
[04:54:50] <Fnord666> We can't use it all and still meet the guidelines.
[04:54:59] <charon> right
[04:55:22] <Fnord666> Thanks.
[04:55:23] <charon> but the word "can't" is very misleading in that context
[04:55:32] <charon> i'd do a bit of a re-write
[04:56:15] <Fnord666> Yeah, it was confusing as written.
[04:57:31] <Fnord666> Thanks charon and GreatOutdoors
[04:57:38] <charon> any time
[04:58:11] <GreatOutdoors> np
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[12:46:40] <cmn32480> 10-4
[12:46:50] <janrinok> I suggest that anytime he wasn't sure how to do something - play on dev first
[12:46:57] <janrinok> suggested*
[12:47:14] <cmn32480> ah
[12:47:15] <cmn32480> gotit
[12:47:26] <janrinok> I have told them to have different themes on either system so that don't make mistakes on live
[12:47:30] <cmn32480> bytram said he was wokring wiht him last evening
[12:47:38] <cmn32480> told them same
[12:48:15] <janrinok> they seem to be doing well and are enthusiastic - I can feel the difference the extra few posts make already
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[12:49:09] <janrinok> lol
[12:49:19] <cmn32480> yep yep
[12:49:24] <cmn32480> bytram said same last night
[12:49:37] <cmn32480> shoudl be a long time before we get a whoel day aof somebody again
[12:50:02] <janrinok> I've posted that Tails story and asked for feedback from the community to see if they want us to continue with it
[12:50:23] <cmn32480> ok
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[12:50:33] * cmn32480 hasn't looked at the queue yet
[12:50:48] <janrinok> wouldn't bother, we are good for a while yet :)
[12:53:09] <janrinok> that additional channel is useful - I'm wondering if we should have one specifically for training so that we can keep track on what we are each saying and they have a place to refer to for refreshing what they can remember
[12:53:53] <janrinok> I'm sure we each make good learning points that others might not
[12:54:08] <cmn32480> I'm sure you do.. adn I'm just typoing gibberish
[12:54:24] <janrinok> after an hour or so, so am I
[12:55:02] * cmn32480 wonders if he is better or worse than a thousand monkey on a thousand typewriters
[12:55:05] <janrinok> it can be open, but no bots and general chit-chat should be discouraged
[12:55:49] <janrinok> it would be a close run thing - but my money is on the monkeys
[12:55:56] <janrinok> monkies
[12:56:05] <janrinok> monkeys*
[12:56:12] <cmn32480> uh huh
[12:59:12] <cmn32480> only issue is if they are not on the bouncer, that cahn won't be logged
[12:59:57] <janrinok> well, since the recent update has stopped logging on quite a few channels now, it is safer to log on your own machine
[13:00:24] <cmn32480> any channel where Loggie resides has public logging
[13:00:34] <cmn32480> loggie
[13:00:42] <cmn32480> Loggie
[13:00:49] <cmn32480> stupid case sensitive bots
[13:01:06] <janrinok> I'm wondering if that will put some people off - their mistakes will be very public
[13:01:46] <janrinok> nah - live with it. Lets record and save as much as we can to help the training now and in the future
[13:02:06] <cmn32480> that's why I like doing it in a PM
[13:02:16] <janrinok> yeah, snap
[13:02:45] <janrinok> but we don't get to see each others explanations. I suspect that you both explain some things better than I do
[13:03:05] <cmn32480> i suspect same...
[13:03:16] <janrinok> how's J and the kids?
[13:03:49] <cmn32480> I tend to walk throgh the interface, explain the bits, talk a little about the content and why we do certain things the way we do them... and tell them to take a stab at a n article or two on dev
[13:03:58] <cmn32480> J is sleeping...
[13:04:01] <cmn32480> that bitch
[13:04:11] <cmn32480> kids woke me up this morning...
[13:04:14] <janrinok> snap, but I still think there is more to it than that .... :)
[13:04:19] <cmn32480> thsoe bastards
[13:04:27] <janrinok> good for you - it's a sign of love
[13:04:48] <cmn32480> yes it measn I love her enough to tell the kids to wake me instead of her on the weekends
[13:04:51] * janrinok notes that there are TOO MANY TRUMP stories!
[13:04:57] <cmn32480> yep
[13:04:59] <janrinok> lol
[13:05:14] <cmn32480> that's partly why we bneen deleting a goodly number of them
[13:05:45] <cmn32480> and gewg subing stuff that leasn so far to the left I'm surprised it don't fall over
[13:05:54] <janrinok> well we put one of each out yesterday - that should be enough for a weekend (at least IMO)
[13:06:09] <cmn32480> two too many
[13:07:33] <janrinok> I've also posted a aristarchus story because he actually did what I had asked him to do - he moderated it considerably. I still don't get excited by his vendetta against Thiel, but I'll let him away with one story just so he can't accuse us of shutting him down
[13:07:57] <cmn32480> fair enough
[13:08:01] <cmn32480> I hadn't been looking at them
[13:08:07] <cmn32480> but I trust your judgement
[13:09:17] <janrinok> well, if it gets shut down by the community then perhaps he will realise that not many people agree with him. And the story yesterday that I thought would go ape shit actually had some good discussion on it.
[13:09:40] <cmn32480> i haven't looked at ti
[13:09:48] <cmn32480> but I assume you mean the crying wolf?
[13:09:59] <janrinok> yep
[13:10:22] <janrinok> not my cup of tea but at least it wasn't the usual rep v dem shouting match
[13:10:57] <cmn32480> I dind't get to look at much at all yesterday
[13:11:06] <cmn32480> J had me doing chores
[13:11:16] <janrinok> now, what can I do with my new seclev that I couldn't do before?
[13:11:24] <cmn32480> and then workign w/ Fnord,,, I pretty well skipped on the regular stuff
[13:11:29] <cmn32480> see spam mods
[13:11:32] <janrinok> so she should have - you will skive off at any excuse
[13:11:37] <cmn32480> I knwo
[13:12:11] <janrinok> I did two sessions yesterday - I was very tired by yesterday evening
[13:12:42] <cmn32480> two sessions with these guys is rough
[13:12:44] <cmn32480> lott awork
[13:12:55] <janrinok> and essentially they were the same content
[13:13:00] <cmn32480> yes
[13:13:17] <cmn32480> you been directing them to Takyon's extension?
[13:13:19] <janrinok> I need to collect all our presentations and try to write a much better intro for the wiki
[13:13:35] <janrinok> yes, takyon's script features very early on!
[13:14:32] <cmn32480> I toss them the link to it tell them it is very helpful and to let me or somebody else know ehn they ahve installed it adn we cal walk through it
[13:15:10] <janrinok> and I usually finish by stressing how important it is to know how to use the Display function properly - and then link them to my own cock-up which has been saved by Google, Onion and the Wayback machine!
[13:15:48] <cmn32480> lol
[13:15:52] <cmn32480> I don't ahve any that are that bad
[13:16:10] <janrinok> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[13:16:12] <exec> └─ 13Dev.SN Comments | Janrinok - FOR TRAINING ONLY - do not release!
[13:16:13] <cmn32480> tha I am aware of
[13:16:43] <janrinok> mind you - we only had prod then, but I still got it wrong and now it is saved for posterity!
[13:16:53] <cmn32480> lol
[13:17:16] <janrinok> they like to know that they aren't the only ones who make mistakes!
[13:17:26] <cmn32480> oh I stress that
[13:17:49] <cmn32480> I believe the words "We all screw up" feature prominently
[13:17:51] <janrinok> but I'm much better now - I only make a handful of mistakes each day
[13:18:03] <cmn32480> that IS much better
[13:18:23] <cmn32480> the new sec lev
[13:18:25] <janrinok> and I actually got a complete story correct once- I think it was a Tuesday in 2014
[13:18:31] <cmn32480> gives us spam moderations
[13:18:41] <cmn32480> and supposedly the ability to delete from the story queue
[13:19:02] <janrinok> I'll look at that some time but I'm not sure I'll be using the SPAM mod much
[13:19:12] <cmn32480> for undoing them
[13:19:18] <cmn32480> modbombing
[13:19:19] <janrinok> yeah, how does one delete from the story queue?
[13:19:26] <cmn32480> NFI
[13:19:31] <cmn32480> I ahven't figured that ot yet
[13:19:32] <janrinok> lol
[13:19:36] <cmn32480> but I be TheMightyBuzzard can tell us
[13:19:51] * cmn32480 notes I also have seclev500 on dev
[13:20:35] <janrinok> we should both have it on both, bytram too as I understood it
[13:20:47] <janrinok> although martyb is 10000 or something
[13:21:05] <cmn32480> bytram has "God Mode" I think
[13:21:30] <janrinok> only as martyb, as bytram he has the same as us I think
[13:21:43] <cmn32480> he edits as martyb
[13:21:55] <janrinok> perhaps that is why
[13:22:04] <janrinok> he can hide
[13:22:09] <cmn32480> yep
[13:22:10] <janrinok> his mistakes better
[13:22:31] <cmn32480> i do know your biggest mistake
[13:22:46] <janrinok> so do I, but you tell me your version
[13:22:53] <cmn32480> you are talking to him
[13:23:06] <janrinok> lol
[13:23:18] <cmn32480> and I meant site related... that thing in Berlin in 1945 we just won't talk about
[13:23:24] <janrinok> "you make me happy, when skies are grey"
[13:23:41] <janrinok> you said you wouldn't mention that again
[13:23:59] <cmn32480> you'll never know dear, how much I love you, don't take my sunshine away
[13:24:13] <cmn32480> what thing?
[13:24:33] <janrinok> haven't a clue what you are talking about ...
[13:24:49] <cmn32480> me neither... so all is normal
[13:24:55] <janrinok> ... for us
[13:25:44] <cmn32480> heh
[13:26:02] <cmn32480> the plan for tis week is to stuff the everlovin' heck out f the stroy queue wednesday night
[13:26:12] <cmn32480> at 2 hour spacing
[13:26:26] <janrinok> for your holiday period?
[13:26:32] <cmn32480> yes
[13:26:38] <cmn32480> Thanksgiving this week
[13:27:04] <janrinok> OK, but that assumes we have enough subs by Wednesday. I will be around and will put up more if we aren't full
[13:27:38] <cmn32480> if we can get Thursday and Friday stuffed, and sometime into Saturday... taht'd be excellent
[13:27:53] <janrinok> we could have several European eds on line by then - including FatPhil. We might be able to keep it going without too much problem
[13:28:20] <cmn32480> i will probably start trying to get us ahead tonight and keep pushing the sub queue toward 0
[13:28:35] <janrinok> OK, sounds like a plan
[13:29:01] <cmn32480> i don't want it all falling on you, FatPhil and Caffeine if he is running by then
[13:29:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, cmn32480: buttons. Preview, Update, Delete. use the last one.
[13:29:09] <cmn32480> Caffeing is Aussie
[13:29:24] <cmn32480> NOPE
[13:29:31] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard - does not exist
[13:29:46] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard, thanks
[13:29:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, we should prolly change the required seclev for that button then.
[13:29:57] <cmn32480> from the STORY queue... not the sub queue
[13:30:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes...
[13:30:18] <cmn32480> no wonder I couldn't find it!
[13:30:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yall may not have it but i certainly have it.
[13:30:32] * cmn32480 thought I was going mad(er)
[13:30:39] <cmn32480> FIX IT!
[13:30:45] * cmn32480 cracks the whip
[13:30:51] <janrinok> not seen
[13:31:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, i'm playin with my bot till someone clears some pull requests so i CAN work on other stuff.
[13:31:20] <janrinok> lol - we had noticed ...
[13:31:21] <cmn32480> whose ass do I need to kick?
[13:31:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> if i monkey with it before that, it'll make for complex merges which are a huge pita
[13:31:44] * cmn32480 shcks his strength and notes he is out of hp
[13:31:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> either pj's or nc's
[13:32:50] * cmn32480 feels his newfound power slipping through his fingers as he tightens his grip
[13:33:18] <janrinok> I've managed 3 years without it - I'm getting giddy with all this potential power
[13:33:20] <cmn32480> okie dokey
[13:33:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly i have NFI what 500 is sposed to get ya
[13:34:02] <cmn32480> spam mods
[13:34:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> does it?
[13:34:14] <cmn32480> ep
[13:34:17] <cmn32480> yep
[13:34:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> good. i'm tired of doing em all myself.
[13:35:22] <cmn32480> we were wondering what else it gave us
[13:35:35] * cmn32480 hasn't seen anythign different
[13:35:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> can ya see mod bombs?
[13:36:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be right by spam
[13:36:40] <cmn32480> yes
[13:36:41] <cmn32480> all of that
[13:36:55] <janrinok> where should I be looking?
[13:36:55] <cmn32480> Posting
[13:36:57] <cmn32480> Spam
[13:37:00] <cmn32480> Mod Bombs
[13:37:02] <cmn32480> Mods
[13:37:05] <cmn32480> Reqs
[13:37:07] <cmn32480> Abusers
[13:37:09] <cmn32480> Read Only
[13:37:11] <cmn32480> Banned
[13:37:18] <cmn32480> admin bar under security
[13:37:34] <janrinok> oooh!
[13:38:21] * cmn32480 switches back to prod since everytrhign is empty on dev
[13:39:42] <cmn32480> so what constitutes a mod bomb
[13:39:47] <cmn32480> 5 downmods in a row
[13:39:50] <cmn32480> ?
[13:39:55] <janrinok> I
[13:40:00] * janrinok hoes
[13:40:04] <cmn32480> of the same person
[13:40:13] * cmn32480 pitchforks
[13:40:14] * janrinok hopes that was a rhetorical questions
[13:40:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> five downmods on the same day
[13:40:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> to the same person
[13:40:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> by the same person
[13:40:53] <janrinok> k - I'll make a note of that
[13:41:13] <cmn32480> so like the set by panachocala of jmorris on 11/17-19
[13:41:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> think we're gonna get rid of that rule soon though and do it programatically
[13:41:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, nope, on the same day
[13:42:20] <cmn32480> 10-4
[13:42:39] <janrinok> are these documented anywhere e.g. wiki?
[13:42:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> so like if they was all 11/19, that'd be shame shame we know your name
[13:42:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah
[13:43:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> went out in a story once upon a time but not wrote down for posterity
[13:43:13] <janrinok> good to see we are maintaining tight security by not writing anything down ...
[13:43:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, nobody can steal our secrets if we don't write em down
[13:43:45] * cmn32480 notes the publically logged channel
[13:44:05] <janrinok> I've secured one of my systems by disconnecting it from the internet - firefox performance is crap though
[13:44:28] <cmn32480> try switching to CarrierPigeon/IP
[13:44:40] <janrinok> I ate them
[13:44:46] <cmn32480> tasty!
[13:44:53] <janrinok> with a nice orange jus
[13:44:54] <cmn32480> what's the abusers page, TMB?
[13:44:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> beats me
[13:45:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i ain't figured out half the pages on there yet
[13:45:18] <janrinok> I though we had a secret club within soylent
[13:45:25] <janrinok> thought*
[13:45:51] <cmn32480> if we do I'm not aware of it
[13:45:59] * cmn32480 feels left out
[13:46:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, yer not supposed to be. oops.
[13:46:10] * cmn32480 might cry
[13:46:17] <janrinok> that's WHY it's secret dummy!
[13:46:49] <janrinok> there have been some very naughty abusers though...
[13:46:51] <cmn32480> FINE!
[13:46:58] <cmn32480> all AC
[13:47:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> what've they been abusing?
[13:47:02] <cmn32480> coming in via Tor
[13:48:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> great googly moogly this is taking a while
[13:48:18] * cmn32480 wonders if we can get a "-1 Fucktard" mod
[13:48:33] <janrinok> do you mean for yourself? or to give to others?
[13:48:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> no. it'd get used.
[13:51:00] <janrinok> however, all those TOR connections suggest that TAILS might still be a popular OS
[13:51:25] <cmn32480> i think we ought to continue running the stories on Tails
[13:51:48] <janrinok> so do I, but I'll listen to the community too
[13:52:27] <cmn32480> of course
[13:52:35] <cmn32480> if they finds it useles... different ballgame
[13:52:38] <janrinok> I don't put it out as a full story - I just slip it between two 'normal' stories
[13:52:49] <cmn32480> i think it can go out as a normal
[13:53:31] <janrinok> its already in the queue to go out tonight (UTC) about 1 hour after the story before it and 30 minutes before the next.
[13:53:38] <cmn32480> i see it
[13:53:48] <cmn32480> am seconding all your hard wwork
[13:53:56] <cmn32480> adding in typos and mistakes for good measure
[13:53:58] <janrinok> too kind sir
[13:54:11] <janrinok> that should increase the word count then
[13:54:43] <janrinok> nice to have nick/n1 back with us again
[13:54:50] <cmn32480> hell yes
[13:55:12] <cmn32480> his arrival timingis rather fortuitous
[13:55:21] <janrinok> he was disappointed by his story not even being acknowledged - we as a team need to do better in future
[13:55:32] <cmn32480> a submission?
[13:56:31] <janrinok> yeah, it sat in the queue for several weeks and then got quietly deleted without explanation. He spent some time composing it and, in hindsight, it was relevant to the actual presidential results
[13:57:02] <cmn32480> me finishes a second adn goe sto looka t it
[13:57:09] <janrinok> it wasn't the sub rejection, it was just that nobody even said thanks but no thanks
[13:58:09] <cmn32480> ahh
[13:58:58] <cmn32480> who is it that never puts initials on their ed notes?
[13:59:18] <cmn32480> drives me batty
[13:59:49] <janrinok> I've told all the new eds but I suspect that they will need reminding a few times yet
[13:59:57] <cmn32480> this is an old hand
[14:00:18] <janrinok> well, no excuse then, but I suspect anyone of us could have done it
[14:00:24] <cmn32480> yes
[14:00:28] <cmn32480> drives me nuts
[14:00:45] <janrinok> I could put that down as one of my mistakes on that particular day
[14:00:54] <cmn32480> lol
[14:01:00] <cmn32480> not likely
[14:01:19] <cmn32480> we need a gentle reminder ot hte old farts to make sure they do it too
[14:02:49] <janrinok> well, I'm hoping to get us all online at roughly the same time to intro all the new eds and to see if anything else needs airing - it might be a good time to do it
[14:03:20] <janrinok> if that can't be done, I can push out something to all the editors
[14:03:21] <cmn32480> <gasp>
[14:03:25] <cmn32480> a staff mtrg???
[14:03:35] <janrinok> too formal - but that sort of idea
[14:04:08] <janrinok> people get tired every now and then, I would appreciate it if they let me know if they intend taking a break rather than just not turning up
[14:04:42] <janrinok> they can have as many breaks as they like, but it would be fairer on everyone else if we can organise to take up the slack
[14:05:25] <janrinok> I don't want it to sound pompous but we need to be a little more professional as the group grows
[14:05:27] <cmn32480> so no days off without warning?
[14:05:54] <cmn32480> I'ma take off now 'till christmas
[14:06:02] <janrinok> a day off is fine - weeks off I would prefer to know. Medical emergencies happen - that isn't the issue,
[14:06:17] <janrinok> I'll rope in another team of monkeys
[14:06:25] <cmn32480> excellent
[14:06:30] <cmn32480> just don't get caught trafficing
[14:06:34] <cmn32480> big fines
[14:06:50] <janrinok> is there a law against trafficking cmns?
[14:07:10] <cmn32480> prolly not
[14:07:15] <janrinok> ooh, you mean the monkers
[14:07:17] <cmn32480> other than immigration law I woudl immagine
[14:07:20] <janrinok> monkeys*
[14:07:31] <n1> i think ive explained enough before that life being erratic/lack of routine makes it difficult for me to let you know when i wont be around, unless i know in advance i'll just be offline entirely
[14:07:39] <janrinok> I've caught cmn disease! Oh woe is me!
[14:07:55] <janrinok> n1 - that wasn't aimed at you!
[14:08:35] <cmn32480> n1 - iyou are a bit a a different situation, as is jr
[14:08:44] <janrinok> we've all had breaks recently, near burn-out for several eds
[14:09:03] <cmn32480> we are looking at somethigh to make sure the new guys know.
[14:09:40] <cmn32480> more of an _IF_ you know it is coming, let us know
[14:09:41] <n1> i didn't think it was, but it does apply still of course. i know how much more work it takes when you can't count on others
[14:10:06] <cmn32480> if it happens and you had no idea it was coming, then how can you give others a heads up?
[14:10:27] <n1> we obviously went through this all that time ago when it was mostly just me and you, janrinok
[14:10:39] <n1> and we were both pretty burned out, i dreaded looking at the stories queue
[14:11:29] <janrinok> yep - and I want to make sure that we don't do it to anyone else. If someone is feeling the strain I'd prefer to give them a break and work around it
[14:12:05] <janrinok> I think every ed who has been here more than a few months has gone to the wall at some point
[14:12:16] * cmn32480 raises his hand
[14:12:35] <cmn32480> we all been there
[14:12:51] <cmn32480> especially those of us with high story counts
[14:13:09] <cmn32480> n1 you certainly qualify under that criteria
[14:13:32] <n1> with the new people joining, it should be enough to spread the load enough it seems
[14:13:38] <cmn32480> and sorry for outing you to the new guys the other day
[14:13:44] <n1> too many enoughs. but you get my point
[14:14:36] <cmn32480> n1 - I am hopeful that in 3 months we have 4 of the new guys left
[14:15:12] <n1> is fine, it's good they should know to listen to my inane ramblings on the nuances of editorial matters ;)
[14:15:55] <n1> 8-10 consistent editors would probably be a really good sweet spot and not put too much burden on any one
[14:15:57] <cmn32480> I was ho[ping for them to be able to bounce stuff off you and get the benefit of your rather hefty experience
[14:16:56] <cmn32480> 8-10 woudl be great
[14:17:10] <cmn32480> I suspect that is the range where we will end up
[14:17:29] <janrinok> that would be nice
[14:17:49] <n1> yeah, no good at training, but if anyone has questions or wants an opinion, i'm happy to help
[14:18:12] <janrinok> I'm sure that there'll be plenty of that in the next few weeks
[14:18:22] <n1> will always encourage discussion here on that regardless of who it is and how minor the query could be
[14:18:25] * cmn32480 giggles in agreement
[14:18:45] <cmn32480> the new guys will ask abotu all kinds of weird stuff
[14:19:00] <cmn32480> from formattng, content
[14:19:24] <cmn32480> how much or how little to trim or rebalance
[14:19:43] <cmn32480> where does the <em> tag go (inside or outside the link)
[14:19:45] <janrinok> we have a total of 10 volunteers, with 4 already active on prod but still having a bit of hand-holding
[14:19:56] <cmn32480> 4 on prod?
[14:19:58] <janrinok> the others are on dev at various stages
[14:20:07] <janrinok> I think so ....
[14:20:10] <cmn32480> charon, Fatphil, and?
[14:20:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've only activated 2 on prod i think
[14:20:21] <janrinok> OK it's 2 then
[14:20:28] <cmn32480> whew
[14:20:34] <cmn32480> got scerred
[14:21:03] <janrinok> I thought snow had gone across too - but no matter
[14:21:06] <cmn32480> so we have charon and Fatphil on prod
[14:21:33] <janrinok> well, I'll try to get you a few more in the next day or two
[14:21:48] <cmn32480> GreatOutdoors, mrpg, caffeine, julian, snow, and goodie still on dev
[14:22:18] <cmn32480> sea and cockroach did training but never rematerialized
[14:22:21] <janrinok> right - I'll take a look at what they are up to later on today
[14:22:27] <cmn32480> did I miss anything?
[14:22:33] <cmn32480> *anybody
[14:22:52] <janrinok> I didn't realise that they hadn't appeared on prod
[14:23:19] <janrinok> managing 10 at once is not something I want to do again in the near future
[14:23:27] <cmn32480> I think we ought to let n1 skip the time on dev this round based on previous experience,
[14:23:52] <janrinok> lol
[14:24:29] <janrinok> n1 - did we have staff->community messaging last time you were here?
[14:25:03] <janrinok> that's probably the only significant change that you might have not yet seen
[14:25:21] <janrinok> yeah, we must have don
[14:25:23] <cmn32480> yeah... everythgin else is in the devs hands waiting on upgrade
[14:25:24] <janrinok> done*
[14:26:19] <janrinok> we should have a political nexus (not topic) in the near future to allow political stories to be filtered or viewed at user level
[14:27:41] <cmn32480> janrinok - are you leaving cvomments in the actual comments or the ed notes
[14:27:56] <cmn32480> for the new guys on dev
[14:28:29] <janrinok> I often do both
[14:28:40] <cmn32480> ok
[14:28:48] <janrinok> I just cut and paste them across
[14:30:04] <janrinok> caffeine did say that he had a busy few days ahead of him and he thought that he would be around this w/e at some point
[14:30:26] <janrinok> sea hasn't done much on dev for me to look at
[14:30:52] <cmn32480> not since the first day or so.
[14:31:00] <cmn32480> same w/ cockroach
[14:31:42] <janrinok> I don't think some of them coped with the wiki intro too well - we will have to hand-hold much sooner in future if we can
[14:32:19] <cmn32480> agreed
[14:32:32] <cmn32480> I've been pointing to the wiki AFTER the hand holding
[14:32:36] <janrinok> hence my reason for wanting to gather the best of our training and presenting it in something more accessible
[14:32:45] <cmn32480> youtube?
[14:33:07] <cmn32480> a 10 minute video is worth 2 hours of typing
[14:33:11] <janrinok> so have I
[14:33:18] <janrinok> that's a thought
[14:34:42] * janrinok is excited to receive an email from Belinda who assures me I can have an erection in 12 secs that will last for hours. I wonder if it was meant to be a sub to SN
[14:34:52] <cmn32480> prolly
[14:34:58] <cmn32480> we shoudl put that out as breaking news
[14:35:07] <janrinok> or not-breaking news
[14:35:15] <n1> i'm not looking forward to the political nexus still... most things are political or politicised at some level
[14:35:34] <janrinok> I don't think many of the eds are
[14:37:20] <cmn32480> woudl ahve been nice a few months back
[14:37:23] <n1> explicit or implicitly political, social commentary counts?, ongoing court cases that are tech related?
[14:37:42] <janrinok> but it will be better than our experience over the last few weeks when the story queue seemed to have far too much of the crap on display - but I give away my bias
[14:37:56] <n1> it works in the narrow context of 'election news' ... but in a broad context i'm not so sure
[14:38:04] <janrinok> it depends on what the court case is about
[14:38:20] <cmn32480> definetly somethign for us to talk about
[14:38:28] <cmn32480> if the site upgrade ever happens
[14:38:38] <janrinok> at least we can stuff it in one place
[14:38:46] <n1> janrinok, i think most court cases will come into the grey area
[14:38:55] <cmn32480> stuff can be in both
[14:38:59] <n1> anything involving a corp vs gov or a group of people vs a corp
[14:39:35] <janrinok> agreed
[14:39:43] <n1> antitrust law suits, patent/copyright, employment
[14:41:08] <janrinok> some of that fits nicely under our current topics. But much of the rep/dem bun fight was nothing to do with our basic priority, although it was always bound to have global implications
[14:42:17] <n1> i agree, but when we have the 'political' nexus, it's just going to open up a lot more avenues to complain about 'why isn't this in political'
[14:42:44] <cmn32480> and the answer will be "It is.. but we thoguht it also newsworthy for the front page"
[14:43:58] <janrinok> well, the reply will be that ALL nexuses share the front page, and if we have to dish them out accordingly they will get the correct proportion of the alloted space. It doesn't mean there will be a 24/7 political bit, but it does mean I can stop having them appear on my page when I am reading the site
[14:44:37] <n1> we will see how it goes, it's worth a try
[14:45:36] <janrinok> I for one will not rush to edit pol - because I have neither the interest nor knowledge to edit the stories intelligently. I don't know who many of the US personalities are, and I don't intend learning them. I don't know which newspapers in the US are 'good' and which are 'bad'
[14:46:10] <cmn32480> heh.. neither do we
[14:46:44] <janrinok> I wasn't going to mention that bit ...
[14:47:11] <cmn32480> why not be honest about it
[14:47:19] <cmn32480> we ought to invite geweg to edit it
[14:47:31] <janrinok> go wash out your mouth!
[14:47:42] <cmn32480> with coffee!
[14:47:54] <n1> janrinok, i'd guess it's much the same as the UK in the 'good' and 'bad'
[14:48:01] <n1> depends on your political affiliation
[14:48:16] <janrinok> I find it amusing that one party in the US claims the other is left wing - whereas to us they are both very right wing
[14:48:35] <n1> i had that discussion with an american recently, in person
[14:48:41] <janrinok> n1 I know, which is why I am not keen on pol at all
[14:48:48] <n1> apparently 'hilary is essentially communist'
[14:48:53] <janrinok> lol
[14:49:02] <n1> which, in the super super super broadest definition, i could almost agree with
[14:49:15] <cmn32480> they are ALL crooked
[14:49:17] <janrinok> I expect France to have democracy imposed upon it very soon then
[14:50:05] <janrinok> but we have got healthcare for everyone, and a 38 hour working week, and holidays that we all take :0
[14:50:11] <n1> i am glad people seemed to enjoy my ranting on the Daily Mail yesterday though.
[14:50:59] <janrinok> I need to backread - I haven't done that today
[14:51:48] <n1> my ranting was in comments on the story relating to the DM
[14:52:13] <n1> out of all the papers, they're the most easy to explain and demonstrate how full of shit they are
[14:52:29] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[14:52:54] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram
[14:52:55] * exec abnormally sodomizes a dumpster full of privilege with Bytram
[14:53:04] <n1> Bytram !!
[14:53:33] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:53:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 64
[15:07:46] <Bytram> Holey Moley -- that's a lot of backscrool to reed threw!
[15:08:05] <cmn32480> yer welcome!
[15:09:05] <Bytram> mare see!
[16:09:12] -!- Fnord666 [Fnord666!~Fnord666@Soylent/Readers/IRC/Fnord666] has joined #editorial
[16:10:45] <Bytram> break time.... biab
[16:12:57] <janrinok> gtg - cooking time!
[16:13:05] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[16:13:53] * cmn32480 is gonna go beat up his kids in vidya
[16:34:27] <Fnord666> Good morning all.
[16:36:34] <Fnord666> cmn32480 janrinok_afk Bytram n1 - I was hoping one of you could take a look at the story I just edited and give me some feedback when you have some time please.
[16:36:37] <Fnord666> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[16:36:39] <exec> └─ 13Planetary Disks Discovered in Hubble Archives Using Improved Detection Algorithms - Dev.SN
[16:39:19] <Bytram> Fnord666: gday!
[16:39:19] <Bytram> gimme a bit...
[16:39:21] <Bytram> am waiting for my browser to restart after updating addons
[16:39:46] <Fnord666> No problem. Thanks!
[16:39:57] <Bytram> it had been running for two weeks straight... and is taking its sweet time to go away atm
[16:40:07] <Bytram> oh, and welcome aboard!
[16:40:27] <Fnord666> Thank you. Gday to you too!
[16:40:56] <Bytram> mare see!
[16:41:16] <Bytram> I'll give it a few more minutes until I bring out the big guns and just outright kill the process
[16:43:46] * Bytram closes a few unneeded cmd.exe windows
[16:43:53] * Bytram continues to wait
[16:47:30] * Bytram checks process using Process Explorer... is still doing stuff, but not very quickly.
[16:49:57] * Bytram takes a look using Resource Monitor
[16:50:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, what kinda chip you got in there, a dorito?
[16:51:43] <Bytram> had been running for two weeks straight, going to lord knows how many different sites for editorial purposes, and I have on the order of 20+ extensions in place, just updated a couple and was restarting PaleMoon
[16:52:12] <Bytram> am abundantly conservative when doing upgrades... but I am about to hit the BRS
[16:52:37] <Bytram> (Big Red Switch -- in PS/2 Model 80 parlance)
[16:52:56] * Bytram uses Process Explorer to kill Pale Moon
[16:53:25] <Fnord666> Lol.
[16:53:27] * Bytram luanches PM
[16:53:48] * Bytram restores sessions
[16:54:37] <Bytram> Fnord666: okay, I see your story... give me a bit to take a look-see
[16:54:49] <Fnord666> PS/2 Tech - "I'm just going to fix this one little thing. No need to discharge the CRT"
[16:55:07] <Fnord666> From the book of famous last words.
[16:55:10] * Bytram cringes in preparation for the punch line
[16:59:11] <GreatOutdoors> We have a guy in our shop (we repair electronics and medical devices) that didn't even know the CRT needed to be discharged.. I was going to let him learn the hard way since I offered to help him but he rejected it... The boss made me go over and help him anyway.
[16:59:40] <Bytram> Zappity do dah!
[16:59:53] <GreatOutdoors> Zappity FLOOR!
[16:59:55] <GreatOutdoors> lol
[17:00:07] <Bytram> GreatOutdoors: welcome aboard!
[17:00:07] <Bytram> you got THAT right!
[17:00:15] <GreatOutdoors> Thanks
[17:00:59] <Bytram> we're an eclectic bunch who likes to have fun, but we take the editing, itself, kinda seriously (most of the time)
[17:01:25] <Bytram> The way I look at it, is I have been extrusted as a servant to the community.
[17:01:32] <Bytram> s/ex/en/
[17:01:34] <exec> <Bytram> The way I look at it, is I have been entrusted as a servant to the community.
[17:02:20] <GreatOutdoors> aha
[17:02:25] <Bytram> and, being sensitive to typoos and grandamaticallish errors, I find it is a unique way for me to find bugaboos so the community does not hav to.
[17:02:29] <Bytram> that all said,
[17:02:39] <Bytram> we've been pretty short-handed for a while and it seems
[17:03:00] <Bytram> that I'd do most of my editing after coming home after a long day at work and other responsibiities...
[17:03:13] <GreatOutdoors> That will likely be the same with me.
[17:03:15] <Bytram> I'm not at my best at 10, 11, 12pm... yannno?
[17:03:35] <Bytram> hence, the brilliance in having another ed do a 2nd edit
[17:03:52] <GreatOutdoors> I m very busy, so most of my edits/time will be late before bed.
[17:03:54] <Bytram> on IRC, I'll let typoss slide bot on stories, I try as best as I can to catch 'em
[17:04:04] <Bytram> Fnord666: you still around?
[17:04:11] <Fnord666> i'm here
[17:04:28] <Bytram> would you please type: /join #edtrain
[17:05:03] <Fnord666> I did and it looks like the channel is open but when I try to type I get
[17:05:11] <GreatOutdoors> Harsh.. voice only
[17:05:17] <Fnord666> #edtrain :Cannot send to channel
[17:05:47] <GreatOutdoors> Nothing says "Keep yo mouth shut and listen" like a voice only channel... and no voice.
[17:06:10] <Fnord666> AH, ok
[17:07:12] <Fnord666> So how do I reply to a question in that channel?
[17:11:11] <GreatOutdoors> Wait for him to voice you or remove the voice flag in the channel.
[17:16:53] <Fnord666> GreatOutdoors is there a way to tell if you have voice or not? I'm using hexchat for a client.
[17:17:43] <Bytram> Fnord666: I use hexchat, too.
[17:18:00] <Bytram> on the Right-hand side, I have a list of "folks" in the channel... do you have that, too>?
[17:18:05] <Fnord666> yes
[17:18:14] <Bytram> see the circles to the left of the nick?
[17:18:17] <Fnord666> I see it now.
[17:18:20] <Bytram> k
[17:18:29] <Bytram> Green: operator
[17:18:34] <Fnord666> Right
[17:18:37] <Bytram> see nect to "Bytram" there is a blue circle?
[17:18:38] <Fnord666> I had nothign before
[17:18:41] <Bytram> .op
[17:18:41] -!- mode/#editorial [+o Bytram] by Hephaestus
[17:19:01] <Bytram> and now it is green
[17:19:10] <Bytram> .deop
[17:19:10] -!- mode/#editorial [-o Bytram] by Hephaestus
[17:19:17] <Bytram> and now I am back to blue again.
[17:19:45] <Bytram> and where there are no cicles/colors, they are (for lack of a better term) normal users.
[17:20:37] <Fnord666> mere mortals?
[17:21:19] <GreatOutdoors> Hmm.. never seen hexchat. I use mIRC.
[17:24:11] * Bytram is on Win 7 Pro... seemed to be the most supported (in software and by the locals here at the time) amongst the choices I saw available way back then... have stuck with it ever since.
[17:24:21] <Fnord666> Never used mIRC. HexChat on Windoze and XChat everywhere else.
[17:25:19] <GreatOutdoors> I have used mIRC since it was newish software. I had it like 18 years ago. I started with Pirch though..
[17:25:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, should switch to hexchat on other platforms as well. it at least is still getting updates.
[17:26:11] <Fnord666> TheMightyBuzzard, one consistent interface would be helpful.
[17:26:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. plus xchat hasn't fixed a bug in years. think it's been outright abandoned.
[17:27:20] * Bytram is expecting a phone call shortly... gonna take a break and check in later.
[17:27:43] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[17:27:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> good idea except substitute nap for phone call
[17:29:48] <Fnord666> I'm assuming that channel ops control who has voice and whether the channel is set to voice only?
[17:30:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[17:30:44] <GreatOutdoors> Channel ops have full control of the channel (topic, voice, and various other aspects/options that are available)
[17:30:47] <Fnord666> TheMightyBuzzard, I hadn't realized XChat hadn't been updated in so long. wow.
[17:31:19] <GreatOutdoors> They can kick the problem kids too.
[17:31:24] <GreatOutdoors> .kick GreatOutdoors
[17:31:33] <GreatOutdoors> booo.. Can't kick mysef.
[17:31:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i went looking for an irc client when the site first got started and most of them haven't been updated in ages.
[17:31:43] <GreatOutdoors> Who programmed that bot?
[17:31:56] <Fnord666> isn't there also a kickban?
[17:32:03] <GreatOutdoors> Yes.
[17:32:18] <Fnord666> wouldn't you need to be an op to .kick
[17:32:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not really a bot. it's part of the irc server. just looks like a bot.
[17:32:30] <GreatOutdoors> What has the world come to when you can't even kick yourself from a channel?
[17:32:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, anyone with voice can use the .whatever commands.
[17:33:01] <GreatOutdoors> Aha. It's an admin role (can't remember what they call it). Undernet had X and W for a long time.
[17:33:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> well anyone who has auto-voice anyway
[17:33:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, like that
[17:33:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> or chanserv and nickserv
[17:34:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> .voice GreatOutdoors
[17:35:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, don't even work for me cause i don't got privs on #editorial
[17:35:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway. nap time. zzzzz
[17:36:00] <Fnord666> GreatOutdoors - Do you feel mirc is worth the registration cost?
[17:36:16] <Fnord666> night night TheMightyBuzzard
[17:37:33] <Fnord666> $20 at this point in time
[17:42:07] <GreatOutdoors> I don't pay it, never have.
[17:42:22] <GreatOutdoors> Just click contimue twice..lol
[17:42:56] <GreatOutdoors> But... It has been around and updated by the same person for over 20 years.
[17:46:02] <Fnord666> Thanks.
[17:47:44] <n1> i paid for mirc many years ago
[17:48:06] <Fnord666> n1 still using it?
[17:48:28] <n1> i don't now, mainly because i lost my registration code.
[17:48:43] <n1> i use HexChat on both linux and windows now
[17:49:26] <Fnord666> I hate when you lose your registration code and the vendor/author doesn't have a recovery method.
[17:50:10] <Fnord666> Most are pretty good about at least having a record that you bought it and will issue you a new code.
[17:50:33] <n1> i could dig it out if i really wanted to, it's just in an email somewhere
[17:51:46] <n1> got me curious now if i can find it...
[17:52:34] <Fnord666> Sorry about that. :-)
[17:54:22] <n1> found it
[17:54:52] <n1> I paid $20 for it in 2007
[17:56:17] GreatOutdoors is now known as Iwonderwhatthenickna
[17:56:34] Iwonderwhatthenickna is now known as GreatOutdoors
[17:56:58] <GreatOutdoors> nicklim=20...
[18:00:31] <n1> think it's smoke break time
[18:00:44] <GreatOutdoors> Hmm... maybe a bug in dev..
[18:01:16] <GreatOutdoors> When I refresh the story list, it creates a duplicate story from the last one I submitted.
[18:02:15] <n1> yeah, don't do that
[18:02:36] <n1> after you save a story, use the stories tab again to refresh it
[18:02:43] <n1> rather than hitting refresh
[18:02:59] <GreatOutdoors> So... how do I disable the new stories? "Hold"?
[18:03:32] <n1> untick the display box on the duplicate
[18:04:32] <Fnord666> Time for a fresh cup of coffee. BRB
[18:04:35] <n1> if you're on the stories list and it says "Article xx/xx/xx/xxxx Saved" at the top of the page
[18:04:42] <n1> do not refresh the page
[18:04:52] <GreatOutdoors> aha.
[18:04:56] Fnord666 is now known as Fnord666_afk
[18:07:24] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[18:07:50] <n1> wb Mr. Rinok
[18:08:03] <janrinok> monsieur nick, bon soir
[18:08:43] <janrinok> I was just enjoying your DM contributions :)
[18:09:04] <n1> heh, good!
[18:10:06] <janrinok> still early afternoon for you?
[18:10:14] <n1> i have a parent and grandparents that have the DM as their default news source, so i've had numerous discussions with those talking points
[18:10:28] <janrinok> lol - I wish I had been a fly on the wall
[18:11:09] <n1> also helps ive had a subscription to private eye for the last couple years which covers a lot of the goings in inside the newspapers themselves
[18:11:31] <n1> it's 3pm apparently here
[18:11:36] <janrinok> a fine journal that I wish I could buy here
[18:11:52] <janrinok> you mean you have lost track ....?
[18:12:17] <n1> it's the same problem i had last time being here... they abolished daylight savings, but most systems have not been updated
[18:12:31] <n1> no matter what i do, my phone says it's an hour ahead based on my location
[18:12:47] <n1> this computer is still set to UK time.
[18:13:03] <janrinok> something like that can confuse a man
[18:13:30] <n1> it was most confusing earlier in the year when i didn't know what was going on, but had appointments to make
[18:13:47] <janrinok> ah, looks like GreatOutdoors has had the refresh problem!
[18:14:12] <n1> wasn't sure that was still a thing, but it's just second nature for me to not do it
[18:15:05] <janrinok> well, a POST is a POST when it gets down to that level
[18:16:50] <n1> as you may know, i'm not one for trying out the new features really
[18:17:02] <n1> i still edit like i did originally, like any wrong move could break the site :p
[18:17:21] <janrinok> well it still can - it's just different bugs nowadays :)
[18:18:45] <janrinok> saw a new one yesterday. When adding second and subsequent topics in the editor we select the topic list menu which appears on the right. You have the opportunity to move away from tree view to alphabetic view. That works, but if you try to come back it won't let you!
[18:19:27] <cmn32480> well.. the boy kicked my ass all over the map in Disney infinity
[18:19:41] <janrinok> never used alphabetic view before - never wanted to. Student pressed the button and, lo and behold, we were both left giggling at 1997 technology
[18:20:03] <janrinok> cmn32480, so you let him win like a good day should
[18:20:08] <janrinok> dad*
[18:20:17] <cmn32480> nah.. I jsut need practice
[18:20:25] <cmn32480> I don'tr play the zbox muxh
[18:20:29] <janrinok> yes, but you don't tell J that
[18:20:34] <cmn32480> s/zbox/xbox/
[18:20:35] <exec> <cmn32480> I don'tr play the xbox muxh
[18:20:56] <janrinok> why did you pick that one mistake out of the 3 there to fix?
[18:21:10] <GreatOutdoors> lol
[18:21:33] <GreatOutdoors> s/l/s/
[18:21:35] <exec> <GreatOutdoors> sol
[18:21:39] <cmn32480> the others were eabdable.. that was a proper noun
[18:21:41] <GreatOutdoors> fail.
[18:21:51] <janrinok> very eabdable
[18:22:12] <cmn32480> shaddap
[18:22:20] <janrinok> GreatOutdoors, cmn32480 can type in SHA-256, haven't we told you that yet?
[18:22:38] <cmn32480> :-p
[18:23:16] <GreatOutdoors> I know now :)
[18:23:39] <cmn32480> outing my superpowers.... awesome
[18:23:40] <janrinok> all our staff are hand-picked (but so are zits...)
[18:24:00] <GreatOutdoors> Noses too.
[18:24:17] <janrinok> you fit in fine
[18:24:33] <cmn32480> I realyl don't need this kind of abuse
[18:24:42] <cmn32480> what other kinds are available?
[18:24:43] <janrinok> I bet we could make some good entries for bash.org
[18:24:51] <GreatOutdoors> We didn't ask if you needed it.. we just offered it freely.
[18:25:07] <janrinok> we should be registered as a charity
[18:25:16] <cmn32480> Speaking of abuse.. GreatOutdoors, do you see the notes I left for you on dev?
[18:25:24] <janrinok> lol - gotcha!
[18:26:05] <GreatOutdoors> i'll go check..
[18:26:09] <janrinok> I've got tears running down my cheeks! that was brilliant!
[18:27:17] <GreatOutdoors> Which notes?
[18:28:06] <GreatOutdoors> The ones from yesterday?
[18:28:31] <cmn32480> this morning on the hugh picken sub
[18:28:46] <cmn32480> papas fritas
[18:28:48] <cmn32480> same guy
[18:30:25] <cmn32480> you are very welcome janrinok
[18:37:10] <cmn32480> sure wish I coudl delete stories to help out GreatOutdoors....
[18:37:21] <cmn32480> must require seclev 501
[18:37:34] <Bytram|away> what happened?
[18:37:59] <cmn32480> on dev.. he musta hit refresh.. and posted the same story 4 times
[18:38:10] * cmn32480 is giggling
[18:38:22] <cmn32480> well... pointing and laughing is more accurate
[18:38:34] <janrinok> you can always set the date on the story to 00-00-0000
[18:38:41] * Bytram|away has *NEVER* done that! *cough* *cough* .... did it on prod, instead!
[18:38:41] <cmn32480> that's cheating
[18:38:51] <Bytram|away> or set it to NOT display
[18:38:52] <janrinok> but I'm told it works :)
[18:39:01] <janrinok> it is already not display
[18:39:02] <cmn32480> right... if our current seclev gave all the rights promised to us....
[18:39:08] <Bytram|away> have a wonky connection today.
[18:39:17] <janrinok> I know - but I blame dev ....
[18:39:34] <janrinok> Bytram|away, it's probably the way you are sitting
[18:39:35] <cmn32480> janrinok: s/dev/the developers/
[18:39:48] <cmn32480> rats
[18:39:52] <janrinok> the sys/dev, that dev,
[18:39:54] <cmn32480> hold the phone different Bytram|away
[18:39:55] <Bytram|away> okay... I see four stories in the dev queue re: 8" floppies...
[18:40:01] <janrinok> yep
[18:40:05] <cmn32480> sir!
[18:40:19] <Bytram|away> save the one which has 7 "hits" and delete the others... is that the plan?
[18:40:23] <janrinok> the mighty bytram with his seclev of 10000 charges to the rescue!
[18:40:35] * cmn32480 thinks that you can't put a flopy anythign in the missle silo
[18:40:52] <janrinok> you can if you sit funny like Bytram|away
[18:41:05] * Bytram|away notices that the first one he looked at was set to NOT display
[18:42:05] <cmn32480> as are 2 others
[18:42:05] <GreatOutdoors> I set the copies to not display,
[18:42:17] <GreatOutdoors> s/,/.
[18:42:19] <Bytram|away> GreatOutdoors: appreciate the confirmation
[18:42:21] <GreatOutdoors> s/,/./
[18:42:23] <exec> <GreatOutdoors> I set the copies to not display.
[18:42:26] <GreatOutdoors> :)
[18:43:01] <GreatOutdoors> hmm... I wonder if I can make the bot trigger it's own response....
[18:43:07] <GreatOutdoors> s/,/.t
[18:43:08] <janrinok> GO is pedantic on his commas and periods - I give him a week before he changes ...
[18:43:19] <GreatOutdoors> s/t///
[18:43:20] <Bytram|away> has always bugged me that THAT checkbox feels backwards... would prefer if it were labelled "Hide"
[18:43:26] <Bytram|away> or Jeckyl
[18:43:29] <Bytram|away> ;)
[18:44:40] <GreatOutdoors> x/s/a
[18:44:43] <GreatOutdoors> x/s/a/
[18:44:55] <GreatOutdoors> s/x/s/
[18:44:56] <exec> <GreatOutdoors> s/s/a/
[18:45:03] * Bytram|away notes his neighbor has been practicing his electric guitar for the past half hour and having an occasional heavy cough accompanied by lessened skill in guitar playing.
[18:45:13] <GreatOutdoors> nope.. won't trigger itself.
[18:45:37] <Bytram|away> SSA? Social Security Administration!
[18:45:49] <janrinok> its amazing what powers having seclev 10000 give you - bytram can now hear through walls!
[18:46:07] <Bytram|away> chuckle
[18:46:18] <Bytram|away> and that is while wearing earplugs, tooo.
[18:46:39] * janrinok bows in admiration
[18:47:39] * cmn32480 draws a smile on janrinok's bowed bald spot
[18:47:49] <cmn32480> blame S. She told me to do it
[18:48:06] <janrinok> doubt it - she is on the phone at the moment, and it is not to you
[18:48:10] <Bytram|away> ROFL
[18:48:12] <GreatOutdoors> s?
[18:48:19] <janrinok> my wife
[18:48:30] * Bytram|away can vouch for that -- I am really enjoying our conversation!
[18:48:36] <janrinok> lol
[18:48:37] <Bytram|away> ;)
[18:48:40] <cmn32480> ZING!
[18:48:44] <GreatOutdoors> Is that what you call her? Not even a real name eh'?
[18:48:58] <Bytram|away> a little propriety is in order, yanno?
[18:48:58] <cmn32480> none of our significant others have names here
[18:49:00] <janrinok> says the man who calls himself GreatOutdoors
[18:49:31] <cmn32480> I have several women who would take issue wiht that, and say he isn't great indoors either
[18:49:34] * janrinok wonders if he is _really_ called GreatOutdoors ...?
[18:49:38] <Bytram|away> cleanup compleed
[18:49:45] <Bytram|away> s/ed/ted/
[18:49:47] <exec> <Bytram|away> cleanup completed
[18:50:10] <GreatOutdoors> janrinok: This is what I think of when I see your name (not pretty): https://en.wikipedia.org
[18:50:12] <exec> └─ 13Janet Reno - Wikipedia
[18:50:29] <janrinok> I don't look that good
[18:50:32] <GreatOutdoors> lol cmn32480
[18:50:47] <cmn32480> gad.. I love that the xcomments that you ahve already seen get grey'd on dev... wish we could get taht on prod
[18:50:59] <cmn32480> but you are in better health.. she just died
[18:51:21] <janrinok> cough, splutter, really?
[18:51:23] <cmn32480> week or so ago
[18:51:31] <GreatOutdoors> ouch..
[18:51:39] <janrinok> we were having a face, seems like she won!
[18:51:43] <janrinok> race*
[18:51:56] <cmn32480> didn't you read TFA?
[18:51:58] <cmn32480> Janet Wood Reno (July 21, 1938 – November 7, 2016)
[18:52:19] <GreatOutdoors> I reallt should do something useful... I have washed dishes today.. that is all... soooo much more to do still.
[18:52:19] <janrinok> did she write software? No? Then 'no' is probably the answer
[18:52:53] <janrinok> you are doing something useful - hundreds if not thousands will benefit from what you are learning today - I hope
[18:53:13] <janrinok> well, 6 or 7 then
[18:54:36] <janrinok> Ah, she is the one whose replacement is being delayed?
[18:54:43] <GreatOutdoors> no.
[18:54:46] <janrinok> ok
[18:55:01] <GreatOutdoors> Antonin Scalia is that one.
[18:55:11] <GreatOutdoors> Supreme court appointment
[18:55:15] <janrinok> ah yes, another story I probably haven't read
[18:55:24] <janrinok> brb - 5
[18:55:31] <GreatOutdoors> 'tis important..
[18:56:37] <cmn32480> janrinok - she was attorney general under Bill Clinton
[18:56:57] <cmn32480> and TFA that I was referring to was the wikipedia link. it was the first line!
[18:58:54] <GreatOutdoors> Gonna clean house and do some shopping... and whatever else I can summon the energy for.. Adios.
[18:59:03] GreatOutdoors is now known as GreatOutdoors|afk
[18:59:19] * cmn32480 is gonna play dsomw Doom... unless somebody here needs me
[19:00:10] <janrinok> no, you go get beaten at another game then
[19:00:22] <Bytram|away> is time for me to cleanup and run errands... may be back later tonight.
[19:00:32] <janrinok> have a good one Bytram|away
[19:00:35] <Bytram|away> enjoyed the banter... have a great day everyone!
[19:00:45] <Bytram|away> janrinok: and the same to you and S!
[19:00:54] <Bytram|away> give her a hug for me, k?
[19:01:01] <cmn32480> you already talked to S Bytram|away, remember? phone call
[19:01:02] <janrinok> will do
[19:01:15] <Bytram|away> just getting in a squeeze =)
[19:01:27] <Bytram|away> a phone call is the NEXT best thing to being there.
[19:01:28] <janrinok> she does appreciate all these comments
[19:01:43] <janrinok> and she always sends her best wishes back
[19:01:53] <cmn32480> golly I hope so
[19:02:00] <cmn32480> we work hard to make you both laugh
[19:02:01] <janrinok> you lot get more hugs than I do
[19:02:46] <cmn32480> and yes, we know she is reading over your shoulder at times... or at least looking at you askance from across the room as you get a case of the giggles
[19:02:48] <Bytram|away> janrinok: we have been trying to teach you how to tell better jokes!
[19:02:48] <Bytram|away> ;)
[19:03:01] <cmn32480> and we are faiing miserably
[19:03:03] <janrinok> and failing to succeed by all accounts
[19:03:08] <cmn32480> kinda like our editorial skills
[19:03:15] <janrinok> ninja'd
[19:03:22] <janrinok> or typing skills ?
[19:03:31] <cmn32480> that went without saying
[19:03:37] <cmn32480> until you said it
[19:03:49] <janrinok> can't afford to miss a chance
[19:04:06] <janrinok> go on - away and play doom
[19:04:07] * cmn32480 goes to look up old school typing tuto on the web adn give them the finger
[19:04:21] <janrinok> if you can only find the correct finger ...
[19:04:37] * Bytram|away pictures cmn32480 holding down autorepeat on the "O" key
[19:05:12] <janrinok> I hope the new guys join in the banter - it will be brilliant
[19:05:35] <Bytram|away> not to worry -- it's contagious
[19:05:36] <cmn32480> not much that comes out of this gorup is "brilliant"
[19:05:42] <cmn32480> sad?
[19:05:51] <cmn32480> contagious.. .like the clap
[19:06:07] <janrinok> yeah - but we enjoy ourselves
[19:06:08] <Bytram|away> cheers?!
[19:06:12] <janrinok> cheers b
[19:06:27] <Bytram|away> ok, gtg... laters!
[19:06:39] <janrinok> laters
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[19:23:13] <janrinok> hi Fnord666 how's things?
[19:31:30] <Fnord666> good. yourself?
[19:32:37] <janrinok> not bad at all - I've just added some notes to your story "Planetary Disks.." on dev
[19:32:48] <janrinok> a very good effort
[19:34:22] <cmn32480> if he gives you some crap line about a very good teacher he is a flat out liar!
[19:34:40] <janrinok> but I look good
[19:34:47] <janrinok> (... for my age)
[19:35:58] <cmn32480> I dont' remember you being in there for 2 1/2 hours typeing your little fingers to the bone last night
[19:36:47] <janrinok> lol
[19:47:33] <cmn32480> janrinok - /op cmn32480
[19:48:37] <janrinok> I might not want to
[20:02:54] <cmn32480> ~gnight janrinok
[20:02:56] * exec proverbially $action a TCP stream of cobol $preposition janrinok
[20:03:09] <janrinok> ~gnight cmn32480
[20:03:11] * exec insatiably deletes a heap of reticulated splines from cmn32480
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[22:39:07] <charon> hiyo #editorial
[22:43:23] <n1> hey charon
[22:44:05] <charon> how goes the day?
[22:47:21] <charon> editorial question: is it possible to add a comment to an unreleased story, so it appears as the first comment right away? if so, is it considered bad form to do that?
[22:47:39] <n1> i think it's possible, but it is bad form
[22:47:53] <charon> alas
[22:48:20] <n1> if you can add more information to the summary then do it there
[22:48:42] <charon> there was a story i put out that i really wanted to discuss, but it was released while i was at work, and my own personal comment was way too late for anyone to read
[22:49:46] <n1> i would say, if you're not going to do it all the time then sure
[22:51:08] <cmn32480> I be.eive that function was turned off
[22:51:22] <cmn32480> used to be a subscriber perk, but I think it got shitcanned
[22:51:30] <n1> i've never tried it
[22:51:48] <cmn32480> I can't type even after a decent nap
[22:52:05] <charon> there were no typos in the previous sentence
[22:52:48] <n1> charon, it doesn't seem like you can add a comment before the story is live
[22:53:08] <n1> it wont let me preview one, so i'm assuming it wont submit either
[22:53:11] <cmn32480> depends on the story and the comment. You can often get away w/ an [Ed Note: <text>] between the <hr> line by tthe original sub link.
[22:53:32] <n1> also what cmn32480
[22:53:57] <charon> well, my own comment was about the length of the whole story. so probably not
[22:54:34] <n1> write the comment and save it somewhere ready to post on your lunch break or whatever
[22:55:04] <charon> yeah, that's an idea. use a journal entry as a scratch pad, as it were.
[22:55:15] <cmn32480> yep
[22:55:50] <n1> a lot of editorial decisions can be quite subjective and discretion can be used, but the community will let you know very quickly if you fuck up
[22:56:04] <charon> oh i bet
[22:56:13] <charon> i had a teensy taste of it today
[22:56:43] <cmn32480> which story
[22:56:55] * cmn32480 wants to go pile on
[22:57:00] <n1> lol
[22:57:03] <charon> https://soylentnews.org
[22:57:05] <exec> └─ 13Internet Association Releases Policy Roadmap - SoylentNews
[22:57:08] <charon> bastards
[22:57:09] <n1> new AC comments coming up :p
[22:58:46] <n1> charon, what was the issue? didn't get the feedback you expected?
[22:58:59] <cmn32480> I'm not seeing it
[22:59:48] <charon> only a tiny taste, like i said
[23:00:29] <charon> the last conclusion line of ts mentions that "no, we don't support these things, corporate interests do"
[23:00:46] <charon> holy crap did i mangle that sentence
[23:00:52] <n1> i'll be honest, when i read the submission and the source letter i wasn't thrilled by it
[23:01:31] <n1> internet association very much the 'silicon valley lobbyists for unicorns'
[23:02:55] <charon> i tend to agree
[23:04:17] <n1> it's something i try to avoid, publishing press releases as news -- while it's not wrong to do so, being that they are press releases -- they require close scrutiny
[23:04:25] <n1> someone is trying to sell you something, and we don't have advertisers.
[23:05:35] <charon> i figured it was a techy platform that most of us could agree on
[23:06:09] <cmn32480> people are going to argue about anythign we pout out
[23:06:15] <charon> heh
[23:06:15] <cmn32480> that's kind of the point
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[23:08:13] <n1_> quality south american internet
[23:08:39] <n1_> anyways... as i was saying... i don't think there's anything wrong with the story, it's worth discussing for sure... even if it results in a "no, fuck off"
[23:08:43] <n1_> it's good to have it on record
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[23:10:17] <charon> aye. so far no one has really abused me. except you guys
[23:11:08] <cmn32480> if we stop, you'll think we don't love you anymore
[23:16:21] <charon> since i'm not a 6 year old boy who can't process affection, I'll say thank you guys for showing me the ropes and making me feel welcome
[23:21:06] <cmn32480> we made you feel welcome?
[23:21:20] <cmn32480> nick - we obviously weren't trying hard enough!
[23:22:14] <cmn32480> nick I think i pooched the time on the Richard simmons story
[23:22:37] <cmn32480> are you in it?
[23:22:48] <nick> i was going to change it, but i decided against it
[23:23:49] <cmn32480> ok
[23:23:51] <cmn32480> I'll adjust
[23:25:19] <cmn32480> I'm being called for dinner
[23:25:20] <cmn32480> back late
[23:25:27] <cmn32480> rr
[23:26:17] <nick> enjoy
[23:26:30] <charon> sweatin to the oldies