#editorial | Logs for 2016-11-19

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[00:00:23] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, cmn32480 et al who may be awake - any more new eds needing ircification as of now?
[00:00:39] <cmn32480> none at this time
[00:01:07] <Deucalion> cmn32480, just catching your pm
[00:01:18] <cmn32480> 10-4 good buddy
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[00:40:56] <nick> howdy, Deucalion
[00:43:04] <mrpg> Whos's in charge of the email server?
[00:44:11] <Deucalion> mrpg, what's the problem?
[00:45:11] <Deucalion> nick, care to share where in the world you are right now? Or are you on secret squirrel land acquisition tasks still?
[00:45:23] <mrpg> Emails from dev went into the spam folder in my account in outlook.com I wanted to suggest adding the server to https://www.dnswl.org
[00:45:26] <exec> └─ 13dnswl.org Self Service
[00:46:10] <Deucalion> audioguy ^
[00:46:16] <nick> for now i'm back in uruguay, but taking the longer view now, plan on checking out more of 'the americas'
[00:46:57] <Deucalion> mrpg, audioguy or mechanicjay for mail stuff.
[00:47:16] <mrpg> Thanks.
[00:47:27] <nick> i dont want to feel stuck in one place any more
[00:47:54] * Deucalion gifts nick a canal boat and a camper van
[00:47:58] <nick> how have things been going for you?
[00:48:07] <nick> lol, nice. that would be a lot of help!
[00:48:31] <Deucalion> not sure either would work well in Uruguay :/
[00:48:36] <nick> right now i'm relying on airbnb and a 'my first chinese car' experience
[00:49:09] <Deucalion> what car is it?
[00:49:11] <nick> a canal boat perhaps not, a camper van wouldn't be too bad
[00:49:25] <nick> it's called: "Changan Benni"
[00:49:41] <nick> it's a chinese inspired version of a toyota aygo or similar
[00:49:59] <nick> and the aygo is not exactly a good place to start for overall build quality
[00:52:22] <Deucalion> meh - it's a hire car right? If so, light and little is kinda beneficial unless you intend to go hacking through the rainforest in it :F
[00:53:28] <nick> anything but the main highways here is pretty rough going, it's the slowest accelerating car ive ever driven, and it took approximately 10 minutes for the seal around the windscreen to start trying to fly off
[00:53:47] <Deucalion> oooh - that kinda has a SMART car rear end and a citreon-esque front. Little wheels though - that must be bouncy / skitterish
[00:54:14] <nick> and anywhere you put your hand under or down the side of the seat, there's a sharp edge or two to slice your wrist
[00:55:00] <nick> the rev counter goes upto like 6000rpm, at about 3500 it starts screaming at you and will take approximately three days to get upto 4500rpm
[00:56:05] <nick> it doesn't feel awful to drive, but it's hard to overtake cyclists
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[00:57:49] <nick> cars here are the most expensive i've pretty much ever seen
[00:59:11] <nick> 2003 Pugeot 307 estate with probably 150,000km being advertised nearby for $11,500
[00:59:35] <Deucalion> yikes
[01:00:00] <nick> 1996 nissan pickup truck i saw, with 234k ... $14,000
[01:00:03] <nick> not even 4x4
[01:00:19] <Deucalion> but then if it's a diesel of that era it'll just keep on and on.... guessing they don't need to salt the roads there.
[01:00:53] <nick> about $6000 buys you something that's got a few more years left from the late 80's or early 90's
[01:01:14] * Deucalion starts eyeing opportunity to export Jap 10 year olds to south america.... probably some horrific import levy to stop that kind of thing though :(
[01:01:24] <nick> yeah, it was a diesel and non-turbo, it was a fair price in the context of the market here.
[01:01:54] <nick> yeah, that only works in Brazil i think.
[01:02:04] <nick> here it's essentially impossible to import used cars
[01:02:24] <nick> you can do it, but only as a private citizen relocating here
[01:02:38] <nick> so you get one chance, and you still have to pay approximately 100% tax on it
[01:02:51] <nick> and then you have a car that you can't source parts for
[01:03:02] <Deucalion> then employ local drivers to drive them over borders all the way from Brazil :) Might be some loss... hmm
[01:03:24] <nick> thats what used to happen as i understand, grey market in cars brought via brazil
[01:03:46] <nick> so they tightened up on it all, which has meant cars are extremely expensive like most things here.
[01:03:59] <nick> they are very much for protecting local industry here, which is a sentiment i can appreciate
[01:04:22] <Deucalion> lol beaten too it... weird... import tariffs to protect the chinese manufacturers selling into the market rather than to protect local industry - seems legit - wonder who is getting a kickback on that
[01:04:29] <nick> but it has translated into everything is expensive and heavily taxed, and people do not get paid too well in relation to the expenses.
[01:05:05] <Deucalion> "people do not get paid too well in relation to the expenses." - you been out of the UK for a while then!
[01:05:13] <nick> heh
[01:05:21] <nick> well the thing is, most things cost the same here as they do there
[01:05:26] <nick> but people earn a lot less
[01:05:48] <nick> it's either the same or slightly more expensive here
[01:06:04] <nick> which is why a lot of americans dont last very long if they come out here planning to stay
[01:06:46] <nick> it's got more expensive here for me, due to recent events with the currency
[01:07:31] <nick> there's quite a lot of road tolls here, and they all cost about $3 each way, and petrol is the same price as the UK.
[01:09:20] <nick> 6x330ml beers, at the cheapest you can get is £6, if you're getting wholesale exchange rates... but from the uk you essentially have to change pounds to dollars to pesos
[01:09:32] <nick> so you lose a good 10% on those conversions
[01:11:06] <Deucalion> eek.... perhaps consider Asia for your escape.... Phillipines perhaps - although you'll probably need to be squeaky clean and keep head down as I understand it - or spend a bajillion years in jail for some misstep lol
[01:12:11] <nick> i was anticipating the costs, just a bit worse now than it would have been
[01:12:41] <nick> i'm considering spending time in other places around south and central america, maybe back to the caribbean, and asia also
[01:13:48] <nick> always easy to consider another trip to thailand, pretty much the cheapest place to live like a king
[01:14:05] <Deucalion> Just don't mention the King :)
[01:14:20] <nick> indeed
[01:14:50] <Deucalion> Are your business(es) still running in the UK or have you cut loose now?
[01:14:58] <nick> it's a fascinating bit of the culture there, the deference to the royalty
[01:15:04] <nick> still running for now
[01:15:27] <nick> was literally having meetings until the day before i got on the plane.
[01:15:48] <Deucalion> you must have some trustworthy managers in place
[01:16:03] <nick> i was trying to get everything wrapped up so i didn't need to be there
[01:16:23] <nick> didn't really work, but i'm in a good enough position to take the chance
[01:18:11] <nick> i havn't been able to think properly for so long, too much time dealing with shit as it hit the fan, needed to step away from the pressure and environment that had built up around me to just sustain the unproductive situation
[01:20:43] <Deucalion> you have no idea how many people I have heard that ~exact~ refrain from the last couple of years. Running ever faster to go backwards sums it up.
[01:21:49] <nick> yeah, pretty much. i'm sure you've been there too... i feel very selfish about it in some ways, no one else i know has the opportunity to do what i am doing now
[01:22:56] <nick> friends, family and coworkers all getting into increasingly difficult positions, didn't feel like i could help, and didn't want to get dragged deeper into that life
[01:23:53] <Deucalion> Why selfish? An opportunity you made for yourself surely with your businesses. You can't possibly help everyone in a failing economy :D
[01:25:41] <nick> beyond opportunities of my own creation, i've had a lot of support from friends and family over the years to enable that. I hope that some day soon i can have a place to offer, where people who have helped me over the years can escape from it for a time when they need to.
[01:28:05] <Deucalion> I hope that plan works out
[01:29:38] <nick> thanks :)
[01:30:35] <nick> i just want to share the good will and fortune i have been the recipient of, and just make a positive contribution to society in general rather than the 'fuck you i got mine' approach business and the workplace generally insists on
[01:40:59] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:42:15] <Deucalion> I applaud that. Karma will see you right. At some point this world is going to tip to post-capitalist and I hope the next phase is co-operative humanist rather than aggression. We will see... or maybe not in my life time. Sadly I think aggression while trying to uphold a failing status quo is on the cards before sanity gets a grip.
[01:42:22] <nick> Bytram :)
[01:42:30] <Bytram> ahoy
[01:42:46] <Bytram> howz thingz
[01:42:55] <Bytram> I see there's lotsa backscroll
[01:43:33] <nick> the backscroll will catch you up on the howz things, so i'll just say, pretty good.
[01:43:54] <nick> how have you been good sir?
[01:44:47] <Bytram> gaaack! that must be 10 pages of backscroll!
[01:45:09] <Bytram> had thurs off from work... did household stuff, took a nap, and then a very full day today.
[01:45:27] <Bytram> am tired, but a healthy one from knowing I put in a FULL day, if you know what I mean?
[01:45:40] <Deucalion> Bytram, you can't read all back scroll in all channels. This is the curse of a bouncer.... how much scroll is enough in any given channel? Geets BTW
[01:45:42] <nick> it's important to have a healthy mix of days off and full days
[01:46:34] * Bytram thinks his mix will not be very healthy again until late january
[01:47:08] <nick> xmas season makes life more busy for you at work i'm guessing?
[01:47:40] <Bytram> I work retail.
[01:47:49] <nick> that's what i thought
[01:48:12] <Bytram> extra hours of work spread over longer hours at the shop
[01:48:18] <Bytram> let me rephrase
[01:48:27] * NCommander waves
[01:48:32] <Bytram> store opens earlier and is open later...
[01:48:34] <NCommander> Bytram, so how much have we broken in the new editors? :)
[01:48:36] * Bytram waves back
[01:48:46] <Bytram> they're not dead yet!
[01:49:08] <NCommander> Bytram, helps I didn't post a novel
[01:49:11] <NCommander> We've lost editors that way
[01:49:14] * nick wildly gesticulates in NCommander's direction
[01:49:16] <Bytram> I gave a hand to charon, but otherwise, cmn & JR have been handling the most of it.
[01:49:16] <NCommander> Literially :/
[01:49:27] <NCommander> I assume they're all setup on dev?
[01:49:34] <nick> JR had a good session with the new eds earlier today.
[01:49:37] <Bytram> I believe so.
[01:49:42] <Bytram> yay!
[01:50:04] <NCommander> Bytram, let me know when they're ready to graduate to prod. I think only me, and mrcoolbp have the necessary bits to bump the seclevel on production. TMB could do it if he talks nicely to the DB
[01:50:05] <Bytram> earlier, FatPhil got promoted to prod; and yesterday so did Charon....
[01:50:39] <NCommander> I'll get a "Welcome to the Madhouse" article up as soon as the rest graduate. Course, we only know they're serious when they survive an N-Novel
[01:50:43] <NCommander> ^.^
[01:51:02] * NCommander does like watching our editors melt everytime a NCommander post is in the queue
[01:51:03] * Deucalion only gave FatPhil an IRC Ed mask. I await instruction on any others.
[02:26:02] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
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[02:34:43] <Bytram|away> ~gnight cmn32480
[02:34:45] * exec single-handedly snatches a chest of an insult from cmn32480
[02:34:55] * Bytram|away lost
[02:35:00] <cmn32480> ~gnight Bytram|away
[02:35:01] * exec sexually throws a socket of coffee at Bytram|away
[02:35:09] <cmn32480> you win
[02:35:11] <Bytram|away> hmmm, maybe I did win!
[02:35:29] <Bytram|away> ta ta for now.
[02:35:36] <Bytram|away> see ya in the am.
[02:36:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> Caffeine, you're all edity on dev. dunno if anyone told you.
[02:37:29] <cmn32480> workign w/ him now TheMightyBuzzard
[02:37:38] <cmn32480> muchas gracias
[02:38:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good
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[02:41:14] <charon> hiyo editorial
[02:41:21] <cmn32480> ~gday charon
[02:41:23] * exec spontaneously integrates a stein of 🍆 with charon
[02:42:09] <charon> upside down lightbulb? pear with a hat?
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[02:43:08] <charon> ~gday goodie
[02:43:10] * exec scientifically reticulates a purse of caffeinated bacon for goodie
[02:43:13] <goodie> ~gday charon
[02:43:15] * exec crutchyly crossbreeds a screenshot of funding with charon
[02:43:46] <goodie> I just survived a Friday-of-meetings-hell ...
[02:44:12] <charon> sounds unpleasant. how can you get any work done if you're always in a meeting?
[02:44:48] <goodie> that's exactly the problem, you can't. HEck I did not have time to read SN today nor to try my hand at some editing on dev until now
[02:45:39] <charon> too late, we took all the good stories
[02:46:23] <cmn32480> 134 left
[02:46:26] <cmn32480> shaddap
[02:46:29] <charon> heheh
[02:47:02] <goodie> dammit now i"ll have to sub one, that's like... extra work and stuff
[02:48:26] <charon> psssh, why it only takes me a day or so per sub. easy peasy
[02:58:30] <nick> really cool to see all these new people in #editorial
[02:59:09] <GreatOutdoors> I just read in the bathroom, no one bugs me there.. I do understand the all day meeting stuff. I am booked for about half my time at work in meetings for the next 3 weeks.
[03:00:33] <chromas> Good idea. Take a cue from the woman stereotype. "A meeting? Not today; I've got diarrhea."
[03:00:51] <charon> nick: yeah. it's too bad we are all competing for attention from cmn32480, janrinok, and bytram who are already busy folks
[03:00:51] <goodie> I feel for you. I try to schedule my meetings on Friday so that I can work during the rest of the week. Next week is going to suck though because I have a bunch of other meetings, including one that will require a suit and a tie *sigh*
[03:01:05] <chromas> *goes to bathroom and edits SN*
[03:01:17] <cmn32480> #smake chromas
[03:01:17] * MrPlow smakes chromas upside the head with a footlong dong
[03:01:34] <cmn32480> charon - nick is a rather long serving editor who can most certainly answer questions
[03:01:46] <charon> oh sweet, another person to harass!
[03:01:48] <nick> yup
[03:02:21] <GreatOutdoors> I have to wear a noose (tie) daily... no getting out of it.
[03:02:57] <goodie> My career choices are partly based on whether I will have to wear a suit on a daily basis ;)
[03:03:07] <nick> GreatOutdoors, that concept scares me to be honest
[03:03:28] * nick has a hard time with dress codes
[03:03:29] <GreatOutdoors> Reading in the bathroom or wearing a tie every day?
[03:03:32] <GreatOutdoors> oh...
[03:03:33] <charon> i could have had my boss' job years ago, but i don't want to deal with middle management and meetings, so i stay where i am
[03:03:44] <nick> reading in the bathroom, i'm a professional at that.
[03:03:49] <GreatOutdoors> Yeah, I had a hard time with it too until I got my paycheck... then it wasn't so bad.
[03:04:22] <nick> is true, no tie has cost me work/money over the years.
[03:05:18] <nick> charon, it's good to be happy in your role, not everyone should to go management
[03:05:38] <goodie> yup
[03:05:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> hur hur hur. should have been an elite code slinger then. we wear t-shirts with goofy things on them.
[03:05:50] <nick> not good for you or the company, more productive to stick to your talents
[03:06:24] <charon> as it is now, i do about half of my boss' job anyway. but he protects me from the managers saying: "what does that slacker do anyway?"
[03:06:24] <goodie> I silently show my rebel side by wearing my funny/hardcore t's underneath my shirts
[03:06:38] <goodie> that's how cool I am
[03:06:40] <GreatOutdoors> I am not technically in management, but my manager had a stroke (while at a manager's meeting) and was out for several months, and many of his duties fell to me... now he doesn't want them back, lol...
[03:06:53] <nick> goodie, the cool guy.
[03:06:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> like today, mine has hot pockets on it. not a picture, actual hot pocket bits. i should shower before bed.
[03:07:40] <charon> GreatOutdoors: hah, of course he doesn't want them back, that's what caused the stroke
[03:08:15] <goodie> or change clothes
[03:08:18] <GreatOutdoors> Our director demands we wear ties... so some people wear cartoon ties, I wear ties with lego tie-clips and stuff like that... it's like a mini rebellion.
[03:08:35] <goodie> it's like Brooklyn 99 ;)
[03:09:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i'm gonna be working around the house all morning anyway. might as well shower after the work.
[03:09:26] <cmn32480> new eds, don't forget to look at Takyon's Greasemonkey script
[03:09:38] <GreatOutdoors> ?
[03:09:53] <charon> that script is the best thing since sliced bread
[03:10:10] <goodie> Thanks for the reminder, I wanna get the hang of the manual process before falling back on it
[03:12:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[03:12:41] <exec> └─ 13Journal of takyon (881)
[03:13:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> goes in greasemonkey or scriptish or whatever
[03:13:56] <charon> editing question: if a sub has a link and quotes to one article, is it ok to add link and other quotes from a different article talking about the same event?
[03:14:46] <cmn32480> thanks buzzard
[03:14:58] <cmn32480> yes charon
[03:16:03] * nick reading 'leaving the site' journal https://soylentnews.org
[03:16:06] <exec> └─ 13Journal of calzone (2181)
[03:19:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, he's kinda a whiner
[03:19:23] <charon> he's not altogether wrong
[03:20:02] <nick> charon, you are right, but there's no solution to that perception.
[03:20:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's on drugs if he thinks /. was more levelheaded than here though.
[03:21:02] <nick> if i'd been around more recently, i could be in the running for people he'd identify as a problem
[03:21:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly.
[03:21:46] <charon> i've noticed, and i'm sure y'all have too, that political stories have way more coments than anything else
[03:22:00] <nick> people have opinions on political, more subjective things
[03:22:28] <nick> the raw science stuff is usually has a limit to the discussion as only so many people are confident enough to put forward a discussion
[03:22:46] <nick> and usually in those cases the articles themselves are the leading theory or latest revelation, people in the know don't have much to add
[03:22:49] <charon> that much is true.
[03:23:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> his post basically boiled down to "i don't want much politics and the politics we do have shouldn't disagree with mine."
[03:24:30] <nick> ive stated many times before, the tone of the discussion can be an issue, but there's no agenda being pushed as you new editors will see
[03:24:53] <nick> as everyone who uses this site is on the same level in the comments section, it's up to all of us to create the site we want to be a part of
[03:25:16] <goodie> suggestion: can we have some sort of stats of comments vs views per story? We could see that although political stuff generates debates, it does not necessarily mean it's more "popular" based on the metric. I kind think it would but a story with 10 comments may still be very relevant/interesting to many ppl
[03:25:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[03:25:50] <nick> there's no good way to measure it really
[03:25:53] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[03:25:59] <nick> you can already see the comments/views
[03:26:25] <nick> as an editor, i've always tried to have a mix of topics over a period of stories i put through
[03:26:39] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[03:27:02] <goodie> true but a breakdown by category/nexus could be interesting. Anyway that's just some of the stuff I'm interested in when I think of SN
[03:27:05] <nick> there will usually be one 'political' story or something, but then there will also be more general interest stuff or pure science/tech
[03:27:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> even my loudmouthed self subs about 10x science/tech vs flamebait
[03:27:54] <nick> you might think you have an idea of where a comments section will go on a story you accept, but it can be surprising
[03:28:04] <goodie> I can only imagine
[03:28:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> underground sn motto "yet again the community defeats a carefully crafted story"
[03:28:39] <charon> lol
[03:28:40] <nick> i have been disappointed myself in how the community has approached some stories.
[03:29:34] <goodie> but there's nothing to do about that, that's part of the "game"
[03:29:40] <nick> tried to challenge the community on a few occasions, and sometimes we don't do our best work and pick the low hanging fruit.
[03:29:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> you just need to be more of a pessimist, nick. that way you get pleasantly surprised instead of unpleasantly
[03:30:23] <goodie> I should tell that to my wife, she says I'm too negative ;)
[03:30:44] <nick> i'm trying to not be so pessimistic damn it!
[03:30:56] <charon> today there was a story about Pluto's moon Charon. It's fascinating to me, but I don't know enough to intelligently comment on the science therein. I feel bad about that
[03:31:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot of stories go by like that. it's not a bad thing if they get read.
[03:32:00] <nick> that's one that i can never tell, space stories, most of them get little interest
[03:32:10] <nick> then every so often, one will be the most popular story of the day
[03:32:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram and takyon dig on them. i don't so much.
[03:32:41] <goodie> I love space stories
[03:32:43] <charon> i love them. i read all the space stories
[03:32:44] <goodie> they always have great picks
[03:32:51] <goodie> I know nothing about space
[03:32:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless it's about uranus. i love me a good pun.
[03:32:56] <goodie> but the pics...
[03:33:20] <cmn32480> #weather uranus
[03:33:20] <MrPlow> 98.6F and windy.
[03:33:28] <charon> !
[03:33:46] <charon> that's crude
[03:33:48] <goodie> like when they were pictures of Rosetta, I got chills looking at them
[03:33:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> course it is. i wrote it.
[03:34:19] <goodie> #weather TMB's bewbs
[03:34:20] <MrPlow> Unable to find weather for that location
[03:34:23] <goodie> Ha!
[03:34:56] <charon> i tried to get my kids excited about New Horizons, but they didn't get into it like I do
[03:35:40] <goodie> TBH before I did not care for it. Only now do I realize how amazing that stuff is. It's built for a 1 month mission and survives 10 years or something ;)
[03:35:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i'll quit injecting low-brow humor into you lot's fancy schmancy discussion on the finer points of journalism.
[03:35:47] * TheMightyBuzzard skips off for a smoke
[03:36:36] * nick is too lazy to move elsewhere for a smoke
[03:37:47] <charon> plus gets to its target within minutes of expectations after travelling that far
[03:38:30] <nick> we are in need of a more diverse range of interests on editorial, easier to filter stories if people have some knowledge in different areas to work out the quality of the source
[03:38:47] <goodie> I know... The whole trip planning is incredible too
[03:39:40] <goodie> question: when managing the queue do people go by interest, or is there any sort of priority, FIFO process going on?
[03:40:14] <charon> well if even a few of us new crop of editors can commit, that will be better.
[03:40:32] <nick> it's generally better to try and push older submissions sooner
[03:40:42] <nick> but as i said earlier, try to keep topics diverse
[03:40:57] <charon> i've been looking at stories that pique my interest, which i guess i can get away with because i'm not offically an ed
[03:41:21] <nick> it's a mix of a lot of things, but it doesn't matter that much
[03:41:39] <goodie> I think that having more people in should help
[03:42:06] <goodie> and anyway calm down some of the people bitching about the types of subs being pushed in (not that I think there is a problem personally)
[03:42:06] <cmn32480> it better
[03:42:09] <nick> time in submissions queue, your own perception of interest, time sensitivity, range of topic compared to other stories already accepted
[03:42:16] <goodie> k got it
[03:42:19] <cmn32480> or this whole exercise with you lot has been a fabulous waste of time
[03:42:19] <charon> also, sneak peek for you goodie: there are some subs that have a couple notes from different people saying, roughly, "i don't want to deal with this one"
[03:42:37] <nick> yeah, use the notes to give your 2c
[03:42:45] <cmn32480> ^^^^^^ what he said
[03:42:55] <cmn32480> somebody dubbed it "Drive by editing"
[03:43:42] <goodie> well at least it's been a mutual waste of time then ;)
[03:43:49] <charon> hah
[03:44:51] <GreatOutdoors> Out of curiosity (and due to the comment above about diverse range of interests), What are the specialties/interests that you guys/gals posess? I work in medical devices/life support maintenance, and I love anything science or nature related.
[03:46:37] <charon> i am fascinated by math, science, and space far beyond my ability to actually comprehend them. i don't have any formal training in anything, so i'm an interested layman
[03:47:16] <cmn32480> day job is wireless, mobile computers, computer networks and system admin
[03:47:42] <cmn32480> space is my go to
[03:47:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> wastingtime++
[03:47:47] <Bender> karma - wastingtime: 1
[03:47:49] <cmn32480> fascinates the living hell outta me
[03:48:02] <cmn32480> you wanna waste time? rewrite your bot .
[03:48:03] <cmn32480> again
[03:48:13] <charon> TheMightyBuzzard--
[03:48:13] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 3
[03:48:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not done playing with it yet
[03:48:17] <charon> yes!
[03:48:21] <goodie> I work in software/tech, more of an academic perspective with an emphasis on actually understanding how that's used in organizations. personal tech interest and experience: dev and databases. Personal: loving space, science and math but no training there
[03:49:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> physics, tech, security, anything that effects my liberty
[03:49:16] <nick> i'm rather meta on it, being business person of sorts for the last almost 10 years, didn't really do formal education, and bemused by the state of journalism... im a very bad nerd
[03:49:49] <GreatOutdoors> TheMightyBuzzard: You from the southern USA?
[03:49:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. so fishing stories too.
[03:50:05] <GreatOutdoors> Me too..
[03:50:09] <cmn32480> goodie -when di you post this one?
[03:50:10] <cmn32480> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[03:50:13] <exec> └─ 13Succeeding Without Big Data - Dev.SN
[03:50:21] <charon> have we had any front page stories about fishing?
[03:50:25] <goodie> just started working on it earlier
[03:50:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> TN right now. OK originally.
[03:50:36] <cmn32480> where's the orignal sub link?
[03:50:36] <GreatOutdoors> I live in OK
[03:50:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> several, yeah
[03:50:55] <cmn32480> you two need a moment alone?
[03:51:05] <nick> dont know about fishing, but any time you can get a bacon related story on the main page, i'll encourage it
[03:51:05] <goodie> I subbed it
[03:51:19] <goodie> come on those GMO salmons!
[03:51:20] <GreatOutdoors> maybe... We could do some show and tell with our Concealed Weapons...
[03:51:23] <goodie> that's SN worthy
[03:51:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> GreatOutdoors, give my love to the catfish down at arbuckle lake.
[03:51:45] <charon> mudskipper invasion
[03:52:05] <cmn32480> remember.. you aren't supposed to publish your own stuff
[03:52:12] <cmn32480> dev is ok
[03:52:27] <cmn32480> it's a pretty well done sub
[03:52:50] <GreatOutdoors> Will do when I make it down there. Been camping/hiking the Wichita Mountain Wildlife Refuge lately.
[03:52:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't have a CC license for TN yet. fortunately it's only gonna cost me like $68 on account of being a vet.
[03:53:36] <GreatOutdoors> With any luck we will have usiversal/reciprical(sp?) CC soon.
[03:53:41] <goodie> Thanks. True for the publication on the main page, my bad my finger slipped
[03:54:36] <cmn32480> typically, when we as eds sub a story, it goes throuhg the standard submission process.
[03:54:51] <cmn32480> very rarely will we post a "NEw" story directly to the story queue
[03:54:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> GreatOutdoors, oh man would some states hate that.
[03:55:05] <goodie> understood
[03:55:07] <GreatOutdoors> I don't care :)
[03:55:20] <GreatOutdoors> California would flip..
[03:55:21] <goodie> that was the "display" checkbox right?
[03:55:45] <cmn32480> it was checked
[03:55:54] <goodie> yup
[03:55:59] <goodie> my mistake
[03:56:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right, no playing favorites to eds or otherwise staff either. if i submit something with high levels of jackassery, reject it.
[03:56:10] <cmn32480> we do
[03:56:17] <charon> heh
[03:56:19] <goodie> no worries there *grin*
[03:56:20] <cmn32480> with better regularity than my colon
[03:56:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, well of course you already knew that
[03:56:23] <GreatOutdoors> Will do Buzzard
[03:56:51] <cmn32480> wow.. yer up late buzzard
[03:56:56] <cmn32480> again
[03:57:00] <cmn32480> like 5th time this week
[03:57:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i have no idea why either.
[03:57:07] <goodie> time change
[03:57:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i blame quebec
[03:59:04] <GreatOutdoors> This would get some comments stirred up: http://www.guns.com
[03:59:05] <exec> └─ 13With Trump in the White House, Hearing Protection Act looks good for 2017
[04:01:16] <charon> i blame arizona
[04:01:49] <charon> eds, i need some guidance on story bias
[04:01:56] <cmn32480> ok
[04:02:28] <goodie> alright, time for bed
[04:02:29] <charon> https://soylentnews.org
[04:02:31] <exec> └─ 13Lego Group stops promoting its products in the Daily Mail: SoylentNews Submission
[04:02:34] <goodie> ~gnight everyon
[04:02:35] * exec cromulently fires a lifetime supply of battery acid at everyon
[04:02:39] <charon> night goodie
[04:02:40] <cmn32480> ~gnight goodie
[04:02:42] * exec seductively launches yo mama's asscrack of freedom toward goodie
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[04:03:54] <charon> PM cmn32480
[04:04:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> GreatOutdoors, this should keep us covered for the weekend. might even generate intelligent discussion but i'm not holding my breath. https://soylentnews.org
[04:04:08] <exec> └─ 13Crying Wolf" about Trump's "openly racist" state of being: SoylentNews Submission
[04:06:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent, excellent article but i don't think most people will read it
[04:08:10] <nick> needs a better summary
[04:08:22] <cmn32480> charon.. you make me laugh
[04:08:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, i think mechanicjay was gonna do one up but someone beat him to the sub
[04:08:40] <cmn32480> cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[04:08:43] <exec> └─ 13Donald Trump is Filling Out His Transition Team: SoylentNews Submission
[04:08:54] <cmn32480> <charon> oh my. so that's what a raw gewg looks like
[04:09:56] <cmn32480> Beanlover is the name on the article
[04:10:01] <cmn32480> !uid
[04:10:01] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6413, owned by m8
[04:11:38] <charon> TMB: i haven't gotten to that article yet, but i've read some of that guy's writing before. he is remarkably clear-headed and articulate
[04:12:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, cmn32480, i can do up a better summary for it in the morning and let you lot merge for the other guy's karma credit if you like.
[04:13:31] <cmn32480> his karma is currently 3, so that'd be swell TheMightyBuzzard
[04:14:04] * TheMightyBuzzard has karma to burn. and burn it he does.
[04:16:10] <charon> i have... 1
[04:16:22] * charon cries
[04:16:53] * cmn32480 has 50 karma and near 2400 stories in the hopper
[04:17:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> get three per accepted sub
[04:17:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrPlow even has max karma
[04:17:59] <cmn32480> so does arthur
[04:18:18] <cmn32480> oh.. new guys, on the site, nick is n1
[04:18:57] <cmn32480> he's got just over 1400 stories under his belt, so he's pretty well broken in and knows a helluva lot.
[04:19:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's a silly brit who luckily escaped before the snooper's charter let them arrest him for publishing stuff i sub.
[04:19:08] <nick> now my cover is blown...
[04:19:27] <cmn32480> there are worse thigns that could get blown...
[04:19:29] <cmn32480> and better
[04:20:52] <nick> as tfa says, 'snoopers charter' just changed some wording on the public face of the stuff they've been doing since the post office began.
[04:21:07] <nick> well it doesn't say that, but you know what i mean.
[04:21:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[04:21:41] <nick> but now it's even better because we wont have the EU saying we shouldn't be doing it quite like that, eventually.
[04:22:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> means i gotter leave my electronics at home if i ever visit. whatever shall i do in a country with a gerzillion pubs and no electronics?
[04:23:07] <charon> take a lot of naps
[04:23:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know me so well already
[04:23:31] <nick> the uk government has bigger problems now i think
[04:24:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> bigger than me?! unpossible!
[04:25:47] <nick> i don't know what they're doing, but by all appearances they don't either, i think there's a lot of shit going on deep in the government ranks and they couldn't give two shits about the people, even less than usual
[04:25:57] <charon> you're saying you're a problem to the UK gov't? lock him up, boys
[04:26:29] <nick> can't be done, TheMightyBuzzard is 'merican...
[04:27:07] <GreatOutdoors> TMB: I bet my manager $100 that Trump would win, then I bought everyone in our ship pizza with it today. My manager wouldn't even come into the breakroom with us all day. He skipped work the day after the election also, kind of a sore loser I suppose, but at least he isn't out protesting.
[04:27:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> they better at least say "you're nicked, chum" or i'll be disappointed in stereotypes for all time
[04:27:49] <GreatOutdoors> shop*
[04:29:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i don't do politics with people i gotta see offline unless they bring it up. then they realize their mistake.
[04:31:07] <GreatOutdoors> He is the only liberal in the shop. 19vs1 when he decides to talk politics.\
[04:32:09] <cmn32480> I've had enough fun for one day
[04:32:23] <cmn32480> ~gnight #editorial
[04:32:25] * exec deliciously slides a github of lua scripts to #editorial
[04:32:36] <cmn32480> I'll be back tomorrow
[04:32:39] <charon> ~gnight cmn32480
[04:32:41] * exec derisively passes a uharc archive of cookies to cmn32480
[04:32:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite man. think ima bail too. 5am comes early.
[04:32:49] <charon> thanks for the assist
[04:32:55] <cmn32480> ~gnight charon
[04:32:57] * exec dexterously spews a tub of Johnny Moo Milk Drops on charon
[04:32:59] <cmn32480> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[04:33:00] * exec prematurely irritates a shoeful of void pointers with TheMightyBuzzard
[04:33:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight cmn32480
[04:33:08] * exec dexterously scissors your mom's bra, full of coffee for cmn32480
[04:33:11] <charon> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[04:33:14] * exec diabolically mixes a thingy of caffeinated bacon with TheMightyBuzzard
[04:33:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight charon
[04:33:25] * exec derisively terrorizes a pair of perl with charon
[04:33:30] <charon> yes, caffeinated bacon so you will never sleep
[04:33:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> caffeine? pshaw. i can sleep through an entire pot of coffee.
[04:58:02] <Caffeine> Caffeine is great!! I've just processed a couple of story submissions for feedback.
[04:59:26] <GreatOutdoors> Posted my first article... Lets see how it makes it through the ed. process..
[05:14:19] <Caffeine> I can see 5 you have approved on the dev site but can't see a submission.
[05:21:01] <charon> I'm not a real editor yet, but I'm a bit further along in the training program than you. since no real eds seem to be around, I could take a look if you'd like
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[08:02:25] zz_janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[08:02:47] <janrinok> takyon, I'll leave that Trump story with you
[08:04:24] <janrinok> takyon, ping - are you editing that story or not?
[08:27:57] <janrinok> Caffeine, are you still around?
[10:12:59] <Caffeine> Yeah
[10:13:48] <janrinok> I was just looking at your stories on Dev and wondered if you wanted to chat about anything
[10:14:22] <janrinok> I'm putting some comments on each to give you some feedback but you seem comfortable with the interface and editors
[10:14:30] <Caffeine> For sure. Any feedback is welcome.
[10:15:05] <janrinok> Let me open hexchat on my other computer - then I can have both screens open at once - 2 minutes max
[10:15:14] <Caffeine> Happy with the interface. All seems quite logical. The challenge is knowing how much to edit and what to let pass.
[10:15:29] <Caffeine> no problem.
[10:15:58] <janrinok> pm
[10:16:52] <janrinok> I've pm'd you - don't get interrupted - or laughed at - like that :)
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[12:28:25] <cmn32480> janrinok_afk - I reselmble that remark!
[12:28:31] <cmn32480> as the Interruptor!
[12:29:14] <janrinok_afk> cmn32480, not aimed at you in particular, but if the cap fits ....
[12:29:42] <janrinok_afk> did a training session with caffeine this am
[12:29:44] <cmn32480> and I need a hat this time of year
[12:29:53] <cmn32480> I did one last night to give the basics
[12:30:01] <cmn32480> also took GreatOutdoors through it
[12:30:20] <cmn32480> now we get into the stlye adn content part of things
[12:30:34] <cmn32480> much obliged for you fixed anythign I screwed up
[12:30:39] <janrinok_afk> he is doing OK, GO too. I've left some editor's comments on his stories - feel free to change them if you do not agree
[12:30:54] <cmn32480> no changes.. additions
[12:31:06] <cmn32480> I won't chagen what another has suggested, but toss in my own opinion
[12:31:17] <cmn32480> you gonna make me seclev 500 boss?
[12:31:22] <cmn32480> I'll be good I promise
[12:31:24] <janrinok_afk> yeah, they all seem to have got the mechanics squared away - as you say it is now time to show them how we use that knowledge
[12:31:29] <cmn32480> I'll only delet all the stories once in a while!
[12:31:47] <cmn32480> charon posted a couple to prod last night while I was on w/ caffeine
[12:31:53] <janrinok_afk> you already are. You. me and bytram, although martyb is already 10000 or something
[12:31:56] <cmn32480> made a pretty good job of it too
[12:32:06] * cmn32480 blushes
[12:32:15] <janrinok_afk> yes, I seconded one of charons, I think you did the other?
[12:32:20] * cmn32480 starts deleting everythign is sight
[12:32:25] <cmn32480> I did
[12:32:48] <cmn32480> this new crop seems to ask some pretty smart questions so far.
[12:32:50] <janrinok_afk> seclev 100 will not see moderations in future, so we might have to up takyon and CH too
[12:32:51] <cmn32480> I'm rather pleased
[12:33:05] <cmn32480> if that change is coming, it'd be a good idea
[12:33:07] <janrinok_afk> so am I - enthusiastic and bright
[12:33:13] <cmn32480> very
[12:33:18] <janrinok_afk> seclev 500 will see them
[12:33:28] <cmn32480> nod nod
[12:33:35] <cmn32480> I gotta run
[12:33:39] <janrinok_afk> so have I
[12:33:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok_afk, that's not a done deal on the 100s yet. i was just asking for input cause one of the noobs requested it.
[12:33:43] <cmn32480> we have a fund raiser to go to for CubScoutrs
[12:33:53] <janrinok_afk> np Buzz, if it happens it happens
[12:34:06] * TheMightyBuzzard tips hat
[12:34:15] <janrinok_afk> it makes sense but only if you have the resources to do it
[12:34:32] * cmn32480 kisses janrinoks bald spot and runs for the car
[12:34:43] <janrinok_afk> that's on my bum!
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[13:41:41] <Bytram> ~tell charon Looks like your first story went live... congrats!
[13:43:13] <Bytram> ~tell charon Did you know there is an Author's Page? ( https://soylentnews.org ) Please go to your preferences page ( https://soylentnews.org ) and provide something in the "Bio" field and that will, eventually (after a day I think) appear on the author's page next to your name.
[13:43:17] <exec> ├─ 13SoylentNews: Authors
[13:43:17] <exec> └─ 13- SoylentNews User
[14:09:36] <Bytram> break time -- afk; biab
[14:14:21] <Bytram> oooops, gtg. biab
[14:37:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok_afk, cmn32480, upon further consideration yall are on yer own on making something useful outa the trump story. i touch it and everyone gonna lose their shit like they normally do when i sub politics.
[14:39:09] <janrinok_afk> TheMightyBuzzard, OK, I think the version in the queue will give you the opportunity to make your points in the comments
[14:39:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[14:42:41] <GreatOutdoors|afk> Which Trump story? The one I subbed?
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[14:43:30] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[14:43:49] <janrinok> no, GO, it's a different one due out in an hour or two
[14:43:59] <GreatOutdoors> aha
[14:44:20] <janrinok> .... heaven knows there is no shortage of Trump stories :)
[14:45:04] <janrinok> GreatOutdoors, I've left notes on each of your stories
[14:45:33] <GreatOutdoors> And depending on your political views, most people love or hate him, no relly much in between.
[14:45:46] <GreatOutdoors> I just logged in to look at them.
[14:45:58] <janrinok> it will get lots of comments but not much intelligent discussion, I suspect
[14:46:34] <janrinok> but if it goes quiet we can rely on TMB to add another comment to keep the pot boiling :)
[14:47:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is a shame cause it's a very well written article
[14:47:58] <janrinok> I agree - but I suspect approx 50% of usians won't.
[14:48:26] <janrinok> hey, since when did people start reading TFS?
[14:48:38] <GreatOutdoors> janrinok: Do you want me to make corrections, or just review the notes for future use?
[14:49:22] <janrinok> whatever you fancy. Going back and making the corrections will probably make things stick a little more, but you can start new stories if you prefer
[14:49:29] <GreatOutdoors> k
[15:16:00] <janrinok> ~tell charon Two stories on the front page - congratulations
[15:19:39] <janrinok> ~eds a 2nd ed is required on the next story out please
[15:19:40] <exec> editor ping for janrinok (reason: a 2nd ed is required on the next story out please): janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram mrcoolbp cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away
[15:21:02] <n1> i'll get to it in a minute
[15:23:46] <n1> had to write a comment on the DM/Lego story
[15:25:04] <GreatOutdoors> Is there a command llist for the bots?
[15:27:54] <janrinok> ~gday n1 - nice to see you back on here again. Like old times!
[15:27:55] * exec hurriedly penetrates a bottle of activex plugins with n1
[15:28:46] <n1> heh, something like that
[15:30:11] <n1> need to make some kind of breakfast/lunch
[15:45:00] <janrinok> I forgot you had changed tz - I was thinking that you should be looking for something more substantial for dinner!
[15:59:09] <n1> yup
[15:59:42] <n1> but nothing makes me more exhausted halfway through the day than a daily mail story
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[17:20:33] <Fnord666> @cmn32480 @Bytram Hello - I wanted to check in and see if anyone was at a point where they could do some editor training?
[17:23:21] <n1> ooo, another one
[17:23:27] <Fnord666> Lol
[17:23:57] <n1> im liking all this fresh meat turning up >:D
[17:23:59] <Fnord666> yep
[17:24:26] * n1 pokes cmn32480 janrinok_afk Bytram
[17:26:03] <n1> i'd help you out but i'm really bad at the training thing, if you have questions though i'll be happy to answer
[17:26:34] <Fnord666> ok thanks
[17:29:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> got at least one good comment on the trump story so far. ima go clean some more and check back in a half hour or so see if there's more.
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[17:39:38] <cmn32480> Fnord666 - What's your schedule look like the rest of the day?
[17:39:43] <cmn32480> and what is your tz?
[17:40:23] <cmn32480> n1 is not alone in his feelings about the fresh meat
[17:40:39] <Fnord666> I am in EST
[17:40:51] <Fnord666> and my schedule is pretty much open today
[17:50:59] <cmn32480> I'm getting a boat load of chorses done today
[17:51:03] <cmn32480> can we try this eveing?
[17:51:13] <cmn32480> say after 8:30?
[17:51:43] <cmn32480> and if I start a new training, I think the wife will kill me
[17:54:31] <cmn32480> Fnord666 ^^^
[17:54:51] <Fnord666> That would be fine
[17:54:58] <Fnord666> 8:30 EST?
[17:55:02] <cmn32480> excellent
[17:55:06] <cmn32480> sounds good
[17:55:21] <cmn32480> might be a fe late or have to drop out for a copuple to put my kids in bed around that time
[17:55:34] <Fnord666> Wouldn't want to get you in trouble with the missus
[17:55:56] <cmn32480> I don't wanna get in trouble with the missus euther
[17:55:58] <Fnord666> No problem on time. You're helping me out here
[17:56:07] <cmn32480> it's amutual help thing
[17:56:15] <Fnord666> ok true
[17:56:19] <cmn32480> long term, you are keeping me sane
[17:56:48] <Fnord666> AT just a tiny sacrifice of my own sanity? :-)
[17:57:12] <cmn32480> correct
[17:57:23] <cmn32480> see.. yer learning already
[17:57:24] <Fnord666> at any rate I'll talk to you around 8:30 then.
[17:57:30] <Fnord666> :-)
[17:57:30] <cmn32480> sounds good
[17:57:32] <cmn32480> see you then
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[18:14:47] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[18:15:22] <janrinok> I think I'll be fast asleep by 0830 EST
[18:16:21] <cmn32480> depending.. I may be too
[18:16:29] * cmn32480 gets extra coffee
[18:16:59] <cmn32480> and I was referring to the bald spot on your head.. not the one on your bum
[18:20:54] <janrinok> I haven't got one on my head....
[18:21:31] <janrinok> I have plenty of hair - geriatric blond colour (AKA greying)
[18:28:09] <cmn32480> S told me that there is tonsure starting
[18:28:28] <cmn32480> ~define tonsure
[18:28:29] <exec> tonsure: unable to find definition
[18:28:34] <cmn32480> ~g tonsure
[18:28:36] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org
[18:30:11] <janrinok> she fibs - maybe
[18:30:43] <Fnord666> janrinok - cmn32480 once mentioned that you were the curator of the StoryBot code. I was curious what it looked like and was condering if it was on a repo like github.
[18:30:49] <cmn32480> that sainted woman??? UNLIKELY!
[18:33:21] <janrinok> Fnord666, I'm tutoring at present, but I can send you a copy of the tarball if you wish
[18:33:49] <Fnord666> yes, that would be much appreciated.
[18:33:53] <Fnord666> When yo uahve the time.
[18:34:11] <cmn32480> janrinok - Fnord666 and I are set for 830pm Eastern this evening
[18:34:21] <cmn32480> I'll unteach everythgin you want them taught if that works
[18:35:02] <janrinok> lol - OK
[18:35:56] * cmn32480 consolidates his empire with one more minion
[18:36:33] <cmn32480> derp
[18:36:43] * cmn32480 consolidates janrinoks empire with one more minion
[18:37:00] * cmn32480 hopes nobody noticed that first one
[18:40:43] * Fnord666 didn't see anything.
[18:41:27] * cmn32480 notes that Fnord666 is already learning well
[18:50:33] <n1> got to find the perfect balance of whipping and berating
[18:51:32] <cmn32480> just enough to break their spirit... but not enough to make them go away?
[18:51:39] <n1> you got it
[18:52:34] <Fnord666> so basic training all over again?
[18:52:52] <cmn32480> without the pushups
[18:53:09] <n1> 'just enough to break their spirit... but not enough to make them go away' should be the motto for editorial
[18:55:41] <cmn32480> submit that to JR for approval
[18:56:04] <cmn32480> he is the EiC
[18:57:55] <n1> i think it still needs proving with the new crop of editors
[19:37:34] <Greatoutdoors8> I love how we are talked about like a renewable resource, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside
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[19:47:52] <cmn32480> Greatoutdoors, is it kinda like we talk about you like you aren't even here?
[19:47:58] <cmn32480> we do it to each other too.
[19:48:25] <cmn32480> it is a touch disconcerting until you get used to it
[19:50:29] <cmn32480> but remember... we talk about you the same way in front of you that we do when you aren't here.
[19:50:49] <Greatoutdoors> Thats what counts.
[19:51:14] <cmn32480> we treat everybody on the team the same way
[19:51:47] <cmn32480> and if we quit busting your chops, it probably means we don't love you anymore
[19:52:54] <Greatoutdoors> May that never happen...
[19:53:15] <cmn32480> and the reality of things is that we curernt eds are pretty pleased with the progress, intelligence, and enthusiasm of you new lot
[19:53:18] <Greatoutdoors> I am sure to dish out enough to even things up over time.
[19:54:53] <Greatoutdoors> When I originally decided to try this out, I was worried there would be a ton of immature kids showing up to "play editor for big news site", but it seems to be going good so far from my point of view as well.
[19:55:18] <cmn32480> you calling me an immature kid?
[19:55:25] * cmn32480 revokes all Greatoutdoors perms
[19:55:38] <cmn32480> :-)
[19:56:05] <cmn32480> the average age of the community is rather a bit older than the immature kid phase of life
[19:56:39] <cmn32480> if I had to guess
[19:57:33] <n1> i think the site pulls an older crowd, the site wouldn't exist without that reflex resistance to change ;)
[19:57:55] * Greatoutdoors notes that cmn32480 just revoked perms on a dev site that has no impact on the real world
[19:58:29] <cmn32480> lol
[20:00:16] <n1> i would guess most of the community are in their 30s-40s with a significant portion more senior than that
[20:00:24] <Greatoutdoors> That would be a good poll, What is the average age of our readership?
[20:00:37] <Greatoutdoors> Broken into 10-year groupings
[20:01:30] <Greatoutdoors> And a "you never ask a lady her age" option as well.
[20:01:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> or break it down by what kind of music was popular in your teens
[20:02:16] <Greatoutdoors> Spice girls, lol
[20:02:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads, i remember those days
[20:02:26] <chromas> or what the current nerd flamewar was
[20:02:45] <Greatoutdoors> Who has the best IRC channel with most users
[20:02:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> same as it's always been, vi or emacs
[20:03:27] <n1> favorite computer game generations
[20:03:36] <Greatoutdoors> I remember eminem rapping about which spice girl he wanted to impregnate
[20:04:07] <n1> ok now i can hear that song in my head...
[20:04:12] <Greatoutdoors> https://www.youtube.com
[20:04:14] <exec> └─ 13Eminem - My name is (with Lyrics) - YouTube
[20:04:54] <Greatoutdoors> I remember playing DOOM, but Nintendo is by far the best colsole ever.
[20:05:11] <Greatoutdoors> Sega Saturn was awesome because it used CD's
[20:05:41] <Greatoutdoors> ./nostalgia
[20:06:01] <n1> my first console was an original playstation, but before that i had played a friend's SNES
[20:06:12] <Greatoutdoors> mid to young 20s?
[20:06:36] <n1> think i'm just hitting the bridge from mid to late 20s
[20:06:53] <Greatoutdoors> I am 31, I remember playing Atari with my grandma on a 13" black and white CRT TV
[20:07:04] <Greatoutdoors> Those were good times
[20:08:05] <n1> yeah, i never had those... friends of mine have atari as reference because older siblings had them
[20:08:17] <Greatoutdoors> Orig PS I played Diablo.
[20:08:45] <n1> so many good games on the PSX
[20:08:53] <Greatoutdoors> I spent a lot of my life in front of a screen.... now they pay me to do it :) (I assume the same for you guys too)
[20:09:23] <n1> sometimes... there's a pretty varied work history around these parts from what i know.
[20:09:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Atari, you pups you.
[20:10:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think Bytram played pong on an oscilloscope and was glad of it though.
[20:10:10] <Greatoutdoors> Technically I work with my hands on equipment, but I spent half my day filling out paperwork and planning major installations/meetings.
[20:10:15] <n1> lol tmb
[20:10:51] <n1> ive been self employed since i was about 20, and have done a lot of shit in the last few years.
[20:11:16] <Greatoutdoors> I still have a TI30x calculator that I use at work. Still running on the original battery too.
[20:12:09] <n1> don't make 'em like they used to..
[20:13:16] <Greatoutdoors> Nope. They say battery technology is better now too, but I don't think you can buy a calculator nowdays that still has batt life after 16 years.
[20:13:36] <Greatoutdoors> not for $20 like mine was anyway
[20:13:45] <n1> batteries are better, for the manufacturers of batteries!
[20:14:35] <n1> i still don't think i'm imagining the decline in quality control/standards in electronics manufacturing in the last 6 years
[20:17:04] <Greatoutdoors> The world is in a bit of a recession, mix that with corporate greed and you get crap products built by the cheapest labor possible. Soon, the advanced countries of the world will start producing quality products again and we will be on the rebound.
[20:19:09] <n1> i hope you're right
[20:19:21] <Greatoutdoors> I hope I am too.
[20:20:36] <Greatoutdoors> I am not trying to get political, but if Trump follows through and brings manufacturing jobs back to the USA, then there will be less work available for the cheap labor countries, and overall quality will go up.
[20:21:31] <janrinok> cmn32480, Bytram, just finished the introduction to dev with julian - he is on UTC-8 so you will probably see him more than I do
[20:22:02] <Greatoutdoors> janrinok: How do you pronounce your nick? It confuses me...lol
[20:22:39] <janrinok> jan rinok - it is sort of 'joe soap' or 'joe sixpack' in some places
[20:22:50] <janrinok> or jan for short
[20:23:32] <Greatoutdoors> ok
[20:23:43] <janrinok> n1 - I am discovering that there are more of us in our 50s and 60s than I would have initially imagined
[20:23:59] <n1> Greatoutdoors, i don't think 'where' the manufacturing happens really makes a difference, it's how the products are designed and with what lifespan and tolerances in mind.
[20:24:37] <n1> especially now when we're ever more in the rental/lease territory for goods like cars and phones, there's no intent to make them last longer than 5 years because that's not the market they want to service
[20:24:56] * janrinok notes that he has just filled in his paper work for the state pension. I feel old, very very old ....
[20:25:01] <n1> 5 years is a stretch for plenty of things now. it's no good to build something that lasts a lifetime, no repeat customers.
[20:26:01] <n1> generalization, but that's where i think it's really at. the manufacturing processes are now at a point where we can engineer tolerances to save money and for planned obsolescence, and i don't see that attitude changing when it's so profitable.
[20:26:11] <Greatoutdoors> I am generally willing to pay more for a quality product though, I think that mentality is needed in more places. I end up making a lot of things myself (tools, etc..) that are better than I can buy.
[20:27:11] <n1> you can of course still do that, but it's like my chinese car.... it's not built to last 100,000km.... so i could buy a mercedes that will last 300,000km for a lot more
[20:27:24] <n1> but it doesn't stop the mercedes from 1970's and 80's lasting 500,000km+
[20:28:19] <n1> janrinok, is it really state pension time for you?
[20:29:05] <Greatoutdoors> I have a 1995 Dodge ram 2500 with a 5.9 cummins diesel. It has 330,000mi (500,000km).
[20:29:27] <n1> before i left the UK on my current travels, i tried to sell my 7 year old car with 150,000 on it, diesel blah blah....
[20:29:39] <n1> best offer i had was £1000
[20:29:47] <Greatoutdoors> interesting.
[20:29:57] <n1> why is someone going to pay decent money for an old car with miles on it
[20:29:57] <janrinok> yep in about 2 months time
[20:30:07] <n1> when you can lease a new one for £150 a month
[20:30:09] <Greatoutdoors> Here in oklahoma, if a car runs and looks decent it brings at least $2000
[20:30:44] <n1> people don't care if things last, they want quality too
[20:30:49] <n1> but they still want a new one in 3-5 years
[20:31:34] <n1> sorry for generalizing, but i've found it hard to ignore how generally we're encouraging the manufacturing of shit
[20:31:55] <Greatoutdoors> I guess I am a bit different. I have things I buy or build that I expect to last for the rest of my life. Example: I am building a welding table outside right now, and I should never need to replace it.
[20:32:05] <Greatoutdoors> true
[20:32:30] <n1> yeah, it's not everyone, but it is the larger segment and the 'active consumers' that companies want
[20:32:40] <Greatoutdoors> I live in tornado alley, and they still build houses out of wood..
[20:32:47] <n1> ive said to my business partner before... "if we treat ourselves as the target market, we'll never make any money"
[20:33:17] <Greatoutdoors> What is your product?
[20:34:00] <n1> the main bulk of my work has been in design and commissioning of CCTV and other electronic security systems.
[20:35:44] <Greatoutdoors> nice.. Any recommendations on a home system? Might be too broad of a question, but I am looking at around 8 cameras, and able to be programmed to notify me of any intrusion via phone app. I don't want any monthly contract, just build and install it myself.
[20:36:17] <n1> but i've also had forays into telecoms and 'IT' consultancy things, construction project management, try to make the most of opportunities happen... a lot of stuff in a short time, i've tried to gain experience in many different fields and levels
[20:37:35] <Greatoutdoors> I have worked IT (desktop), component level PCB repair, Control systems engineering for power substations, power grid design, and medical device repair/project management
[20:37:55] <n1> depends on your budget, if you want an IP system i'd suggest ACTi as a manufacturer to look at, they have a very good range of cameras.
[20:37:56] <Greatoutdoors> and I delivered bottled water as a yung pup
[20:38:08] <Greatoutdoors> POE
[20:38:22] <n1> a cheaper option would be an HIKVISION AHD system
[20:38:41] <Greatoutdoors> I don't have power avail, and don't like batts, so POE i think would be the best unless there is another option.
[20:39:05] <n1> well with AHD you can run it on cat5e still and power from the recorder location
[20:39:18] <Greatoutdoors> cool
[20:39:23] <n1> you will need baluns probably, but it's cheaper than running coax and a power pair
[20:39:52] <n1> never worth using coax anymore really
[20:41:07] <n1> you can probably get some decent wide angle lens cameras which will cut down the need for 8 perhaps, but it depends how far you want to go with coverage
[20:41:12] <Greatoutdoors> I don't care for coax for anything other than my internet. It's the best option here
[20:41:52] <Greatoutdoors> 7 is the minimum to cover all angles and entry points on my house (including one at the front door so I can get a close up)
[20:42:04] <n1> ACTi does a free version of their NVR software too, but you will need a windows machine for it to run on.
[20:42:22] <Greatoutdoors> cool.
[20:42:39] <n1> saves on buying a standalone recorder
[20:43:57] <Greatoutdoors> nice.
[20:44:06] <Greatoutdoors> I'll read up more later.
[20:44:15] <Greatoutdoors> Gonna go do some welding..
[20:44:27] <Greatoutdoors> Thanks for the info
[20:45:00] <n1> no worries, it's one of those things there's no good solutions, but that's the best direction i can suggest
[20:45:07] <n1> have fun with the welding :)
[20:45:11] <Greatoutdoors> will do
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[23:09:49] <charon> ~gday editorial
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[23:41:11] <n1_> hey charon
[23:41:35] <n1_> ahoy mrpg and Caffeine
[23:41:51] <mrpg> Hi good night.
[23:42:49] * n1_ hat tip
[23:43:53] <n1_> charon, if you're available it would be good if you could look at signing off on the stories I have pending. let me know if you change anything, been a while since i've done stories so i'm sure there's mistakes.
[23:44:20] <Caffeine> hi
[23:45:22] <charon> hiyo all
[23:45:35] <charon> i'll take a look at them now, nick
[23:45:52] <n1_> thanks :)
[23:45:55] n1_ is now known as nick
[23:50:52] <nick> was just wondering 'how am i going to watch first episode of 'the grand tour'' ... then remembered, i actually have amazon prime after forgetting to cancel the trial.
[23:52:36] <charon> paying every month for something you forgot about. tsk tsk
[23:53:32] <nick> it's easy to forget
[23:53:40] <nick> it took it for the year
[23:53:55] <nick> and i have the account on amazon.com in prime, my amazon.co.uk account does not
[23:53:58] <nick> same email address.
[23:54:12] <charon> nick: is there any hard and fast rule about how far into the story the link should be? I'd say as soon as possible, but what if there's a really good hook line to make into the link?
[23:55:32] <charon> specifically, on your story about wireshark, it strikes me the the words "Session Key Logging to the Rescue!" would be a perfect place to have the link to the source article
[23:55:32] <nick> If the story is just a blockquote from an article, i prefer a "blah blah reports:" than putting it within the quote.
[23:55:50] <nick> ill look at the story again
[23:56:28] <nick> if you want to move it, i'm not opposed
[23:59:15] <charon> what does the checkbox marked "fastforward" do?