#editorial | Logs for 2016-11-18

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[00:34:44] <SoylentSnow> I posted an edited story currently in the submissions queue on dev if someone wants to review and copy/paste it over. :)
[00:34:45] <SoylentSnow> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[00:34:48] <exec> └─ 13Yellowstone Park Accident Victim Dissolved in Boiling Acidic Pool - Dev.SN
[00:36:00] <FatPhil> literally a dead pool!
[00:36:10] <SoylentSnow> haha, ya!
[00:36:27] <Bytram> SoylentSnow: I'll take a look... give me a few
[00:36:43] <Bytram> FatPhil: welcome! have you heard from JR lately?
[00:37:10] <FatPhil> this afternoon, our time.
[00:37:31] <Bytram> nice... check out things on prod =)
[00:37:44] <Bytram> SoylentSnow: /me clicks your link
[00:38:36] <SoylentSnow> how do you leave a message for a user here that is away? I got a message from janrinok, and i'd like to leave a response for him to see when he's back.
[00:38:41] <FatPhil> not till tomorrow - I'm in bed and on my phone
[00:39:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can either ~tell Bytram message or #tell Bytram message
[00:39:12] <SoylentSnow> exec /?
[00:39:16] <SoylentSnow> exec -?
[00:39:18] <SoylentSnow> exec help
[00:39:24] <SoylentSnow> @exec help
[00:39:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> exec and mrplow both have that feature
[00:39:26] <FatPhil> privmsgs work for people who never log off
[00:39:39] <Bytram> FatPhil: you've been promoted to editor on production
[00:40:00] <Bytram> thank TheMightyBuzzard for performing the intricacies of updating the DB stuff.
[00:40:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> pfft, you did that. i just bounced the servers so it'd all play nice.
[00:40:42] <Bytram> oh, rly? nice!
[00:40:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> and then paulej72 rebooted the server just to make extra sure. at least that's what we're gonna say was the reason.
[00:40:59] <FatPhil> Bytram: so I hear. I have to be in the office for some workman tomorrow, but will hopefully get bored of work early afternoon
[00:41:50] <Bytram> well, just wanted to make sure you'd been notified. So good to have you aboard, and above all, have fun while you are at it!
[00:44:41] <Bytram> SoylentSnow: am looking at your story... looking good so far!
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[00:49:33] <Bytram> SoylentSnow: I followed all of the links in the story and they worked... Yay!
[00:49:44] <SoylentSnow> hurrah!
[00:49:59] * Bytram has mistakenly posted stories with bad links, most recently today. :P
[00:50:24] * Bytram is grateful for the watchful eyes of the 2nd editor!
[00:50:59] <Bytram> I'm not sure what your 'original submission' looked like, so what follows is a 'best guess'
[00:51:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> lost the original sub link, eh?
[00:51:50] <SoylentSnow> the original submission is on prod. I was going to submit it myself,but someone else already did
[00:51:59] <Bytram> don't know if dev still has 'em?
[00:52:11] <SoylentSnow> https://soylentnews.org
[00:52:13] <exec> └─ 13Yellowstone Park accident victim dissolved in boiling acidic pool: SoylentNews Submission
[00:52:20] <Bytram> SoylentSnow++
[00:52:20] <Bender> karma - soylentsnow: 1
[00:52:21] <Bytram> thanks
[00:52:28] <Bytram> clicky
[00:52:44] <Bytram> ahhhh!
[00:53:16] <SoylentSnow> I fugured if I was going to practice, I might as well make it producive :)
[00:53:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, pictures?
[00:53:40] <Bytram> ok, when a story contains a "chunk" (two or more sentences, or so) of text from another source, we include it in blockquote tags; like this:
[00:53:59] <Bytram> <blockquote>Here is one sentence. And here's another. And yet another one.</blockquote>
[00:54:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a style thing. we think it's pretty
[00:55:11] <SoylentSnow> Okay, I think the 1+3 paragraphs are from bbc, and I took the 2nd one from yahoo
[00:55:12] <SoylentSnow> so...
[00:55:31] <Bytram> well it also covers are bottoms -- if there's typos or that ilk in the original, it's nice to be able to point out that WE didn't do it. (and if we notice a typo, we would flagg[sic] it like that <--
[00:55:40] <Bytram> s/are/our/
[00:55:42] <exec> <Bytram> well it also covers our bottoms -- if there's typos or that ilk in the original, it's nice to be able to point out that WE didn't do it. (and if we notice a typo, we would flagg[sic] it like that <--
[00:55:50] <Bytram> try it!
[00:55:56] <SoylentSnow> ahh i see
[00:55:56] <SoylentSnow> k
[00:56:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can nest blockquotes as well. like if the bbc is quoting yahoo and you're quoting the bbc.
[00:56:50] <SoylentSnow> so, if using differenct sources, like I did, then, in this example, would I use 3 sets of blockquotes?
[00:57:02] <Bytram> well...
[00:57:07] <Bytram> let's step back for a sec.
[00:57:29] <Bytram> one of our most prolific submitters likes to put his link into the quoted text, even though it was not there originally
[00:57:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> three sources, three blockquotes? sounds right but i'll leave it to edity guy there cause all i can do is spell.
[00:57:40] <Bytram> I prefer to provide the link prior to the quoted text.
[00:58:20] <SoylentSnow> just a raw link, or an a hrefed one?
[00:58:59] <Bytram> <p>The <a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38018209">BBC noted:</p><blockquote><p>Sentence 1</p><p>Sentence 2</p></blockquote>
[00:59:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> proper links are more pretty if you can find some appropriate words to pin them on
[00:59:01] <exec> └─ 13Page not found - BBC News
[00:59:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> like that
[01:00:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: btw, where in the world does the site turn "<quote>" (a made-up tag for the site) into: <div style="quote"> ?? It should just turn it into a blockquote and be done with it.
[01:01:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> it should but such is life. not worth the man hours to fix at this point.
[01:02:14] <charon> how do you paragraph break inside <blockquote>? it collapsed carriage returns when i tried. do i have to <br><br>?
[01:02:36] <Bytram> and then, when the site sees "<blockquote>" it changes it to be "<blockquote><div>" :/
[01:02:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> <blockquote><p>paragraph one</p><p>paragraph 2</p></blockquote>
[01:02:57] <Bytram> good question.... look back at my example above
[01:03:08] <Bytram> see the "<p>Sentence 1</p>"
[01:03:16] <Bytram> each of those is a "P"aragraph
[01:03:27] <charon> doh, i didn't realize <p> worked inside
[01:03:50] <Bytram> ummm, let me correct myself. the BBC is famous for using lots of paragraphs that have one sentence in each of them. :P
[01:03:54] <Bytram> yep!
[01:04:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> well sure. they get downright cranky when you <p> outside. at least in cities.
[01:04:02] <SoylentSnow> Okay, so I looked a little deeper and the 1+3 paragraph are mismashs of the bbc story. Sentances picked from here and there. How should that be handled?
[01:04:15] <Bytram> quote them in order?
[01:04:39] <SoylentSnow> like 5 additional quotes of one sentace each?
[01:04:42] <SoylentSnow> that's crazy...
[01:05:29] <Bytram> one quote which contains 5 sentences... and if they appeared on the BBC as 5 paragraphs, we are QUOTING that site, so we present it exactly as they did... but...
[01:05:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> if they're picked apart pieces, yeah. or put a <p>...</p> in between the bits of the same story. eds like the former though it seems.
[01:06:24] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders out for nicotine since nobody bothered to laugh at his <p> outside joke
[01:06:33] <SoylentSnow> hmm, I got an idea
[01:06:37] <charon> i laughed... in my head
[01:07:17] <Bytram> I'll prolly not remember, but what browser to you normally use?
[01:07:25] <Bytram> charon: !! hi
[01:07:40] <charon> so exec tells me janrinok sent me a message on dev, but i see it not? am i looking in the wrong spot?
[01:07:44] <FatPhil> house style seems to just begin the neqt quoted para with [...], noy have a standalone para for the elision
[01:07:52] <charon> hiyo Bytram
[01:07:57] <Bytram> FatPhil++ yuppers.
[01:07:57] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 1
[01:08:35] <Bytram> we are mindful that some of the people viewing the site do not have a 3084x1920, 27" monitor
[01:08:56] <Bytram> so, we make some allowances to reduce the amount of vertical white space.
[01:12:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> charon, messages on dev should show up linked over on the right by your karma if you're logged in
[01:13:30] <charon> that's where i'm looking. none on dev and no new on live
[01:14:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> check again, i just sent one
[01:15:12] <charon> nothing
[01:15:20] <SoylentSnow> okay, I redid the story a bit
[01:15:21] <charon> should be more or less instant, right?
[01:15:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, slashd had crashed. give it a few after it restarts.
[01:15:38] <SoylentSnow> I but 1+3 in one block, but added [...] to show it wasn't contigous
[01:15:57] <SoylentSnow> s/but/put/
[01:15:59] <exec> <SoylentSnow> I put 1+3 in one block, but added [...] to show it wasn't contigous
[01:16:03] * Bytram refreshes
[01:16:20] <SoylentSnow> sorry, I think I was working against somone that was trying to pretty it up
[01:16:48] <Bytram> that was probably just be looking at it.
[01:20:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> charon, message_delivery run manually. you have some now.
[01:21:35] <charon> still no
[01:21:38] <Bytram> SoylentSnow: okay, step back for a moment and then just re-read the story as it now appears... how *readable* is it? There's an art to combining accuracy of content with presentation in an enjoyable format. It comes with practice and experience...
[01:22:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm....
[01:22:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, you have messages turned off for some reason
[01:22:53] <Bytram> As a suggestion, in light of your recent efforts in writing a story, it might be illustrative to go to the prod site (prod==production, i.e. https://soylentnews.org) and scan over the main page to get a *feel* for this.
[01:22:55] <exec> └─ 13404 File Not Found
[01:22:59] <Bytram> lol
[01:23:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[01:23:05] <charon> oh hell
[01:23:05] <exec> └─ 13Dev.SN Message Center
[01:23:24] <Bytram> need to make some dinner... back in a few
[01:23:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'll definitely want Admin to User Messages
[01:24:14] <charon> i never even looked at the settings. assumed they'd default to something sane like accept messages
[01:24:43] <Bytram> charon: keep in mind that this is just part of getting up-to-speed... after editing a few stories, and getting a new "view" of how stories are presented on the site, it'll come MUCH easier.
[01:24:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> here if that other link don't work https://dev.soylentnews.org
[01:24:58] <exec> └─ 13Log In
[01:25:21] <charon> ok, messages enabled mostly. will those lost ones be delivered now or lost forever?
[01:25:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> lost forever. which is fine. Deucalion doesn't have enough to do anyway.
[01:26:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> or was it janrinok who sent you one?
[01:26:31] <Bytram> remember, ultimately we are editors, not writers, so I try to keep the gist of the original submission, correct typos and grammar errors as needed, nudge the submission into a consistent look-and-feel for the site, and then, if needed, add additional info to fill it in.
[01:26:37] <charon> it was janrinok. i'll send him a tell
[01:26:53] <Bytram> okay, tummy is growling... biab
[01:27:04] <charon> thanks, TMB
[01:28:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. you have a message again now
[01:28:19] <SoylentSnow> I moved things around, how is that?
[01:30:48] <charon> TheMightyBuzzard: uh. maybe i broke something. still no message. my settings for message dleivery are all "web" where possible but nothing
[01:31:05] <charon> i spoke too son, there they are
[01:31:24] <charon> s/son/soon/
[01:31:26] <exec> <charon> i spoke too soon, there they are
[01:35:10] <charon> SoylentSnow: from the darwin-award-winners dept.
[01:35:35] <SoylentSnow> haha, aren't we supposed to be sensitive when a death is involved
[01:35:35] <Bytram> lol
[01:35:42] <SoylentSnow> I was apperantly pretty terrible...
[01:35:58] <Bytram> gallows humor, I think it is called
[01:36:02] <SoylentSnow> s/i/it/
[01:36:03] <charon> aye
[01:36:05] <exec> <SoylentSnow> I was apperantly pretty territble...
[01:36:27] <SoylentSnow> territble, lol
[01:36:33] <Bytram> not to wooory aboot typoos heere
[01:37:22] <SoylentSnow> Anyways, I merged some things to improve readibility. I think it looks better and I added a bit more. I'm going for dinner, so take a peek when you have a moment
[01:37:30] <Bytram> k
[01:47:59] <cmn32480> typos prove that your mind works faster than your fingers
[01:48:28] <Bytram> SoylentSnow: is much better... for the future, be aware of paragraph breaks in the quoted original (which were NOT present in the original submission you started from) we'll call this one done for now and move on to another.
[01:48:47] <Bytram> cmn32480: !! hi
[01:49:00] <cmn32480> holy scrollback batman
[01:49:04] <charon> hiyo cmn32480
[01:49:17] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram
[01:49:19] * exec cohesively scissors your mom's bra, full of bling blong for bytram
[01:49:20] <cmn32480> ~gday charon
[01:49:22] * exec transphobically pits a C cup of brussels sprouts against charon
[01:49:23] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[01:49:26] * exec figuratively launches a gallon of BEER-brand beer toward cmn32480
[01:49:35] <cmn32480> WOO HOO!!!!!
[01:49:37] <cmn32480> I WIN!
[01:49:46] <Bytram> cmn32480: yep
[01:50:13] <charon> not sure generic beer is really a win
[01:50:53] <Bytram> FYI: I have an early day tomorrow and an engagement to attend after that, proly won't be up until my usual hour tonight, and will be mostly unavail tomorrow during the day
[01:50:55] <cmn32480> exdec said generic
[01:51:04] <cmn32480> I'm drinking sShipyard Pumpkinhead Ale
[01:51:44] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[01:51:46] * exec hideously planks a wallet of $insert_beverage_here for bytram
[01:52:01] <cmn32480> get some ret you've earned it
[01:52:09] <Bytram> well, I not gone yet... stil have dinner to eat and will prolly hang around for another hour or so.
[01:52:59] * cmn32480 starts skimming scrollback
[01:53:30] <charon> ~tell janrinok i am an idiot and has messages turned off. can you resend?
[01:56:20] <charon> great, from the typo in that message, he'll think i still have them off...
[01:57:22] <Bytram> nah, he'll understand... he's pretty sharp that way.
[01:57:30] <Bytram> =)
[01:57:42] <Bytram> afk brb
[01:57:48] <charon> i guess you have to read fluent typo around here
[01:59:40] <Bytram> comes with the territory
[02:03:27] <cmn32480> we typo a lot arond these parts
[02:03:52] * cmn32480 needs to take out the trash...
[02:03:56] <cmn32480> after this beer
[02:04:08] <charon> priorities
[02:10:40] <cmn32480> it IS a priority
[02:10:44] <cmn32480> warm beer sucks
[02:12:14] <Bytram> keep a cold mug in the freezer
[02:12:53] <Bytram> or get a beer that doesn't suck when warm aka Guiness =)
[02:13:12] <charon> why put it in a mug when a bottle of beer is a perfect drinking device?
[02:14:25] <cmn32480> charon++
[02:14:25] <Bender> karma - charon: 1
[02:15:07] <Bytram> K.I.S.S.
[02:15:59] <cmn32480> I shall reserve that for my wife
[02:16:07] * cmn32480 goes to take out the garbage
[02:16:42] * Bytram goes to do the dishes
[02:17:12] * charon ponders how to edit things
[02:26:29] <charon> how do we deal with inline quotes? it's only about 20 words, does it get a blockquote of its own, or italics, or just plain quotation marks?
[02:28:02] <cmn32480> generally any quote from the article gets a blockquote
[02:31:08] <charon> I have a story ready if any editors have a few minutes
[02:31:22] <cmn32480> linky?
[02:31:23] <Bytram> that's a good general rule. Once in a while, if the quoted part fits in with the phrasing of a paragraph, I'll just include it in quotation marks, but that is the exception as it also needs to be acknowledged as to its source, which can become problematic. So, for now, blockquotes are the way to go if at all unsure.
[02:31:55] <charon> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:31:58] <exec> └─ 13Error
[02:32:09] <charon> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[02:32:11] <exec> └─ 13Error
[02:32:36] <charon> piss off, exec
[02:32:45] <charon> it's number 1 on the queue
[02:33:42] <cmn32480> subs promoted to stories, but not yet live will always get an error
[02:33:48] <charon> ahh
[02:33:56] <cmn32480> they are in a kind of limbo
[02:34:21] <charon> the bot is persecuting me
[02:34:38] <cmn32480> better than him prosecuting you
[02:42:15] <cmn32480> charon - well done
[02:42:27] <charon> thank you
[02:42:36] <cmn32480> good dept line
[02:42:39] <cmn32480> links all work
[02:42:43] <cmn32480> quotes are placed good
[02:44:29] <cmn32480> excellent
[02:45:14] <charon> when i look at subs, i try to find ones that need more work. like a P666 sub which can mostly be put up as written gives me no experience
[02:45:43] <cmn32480> agreed
[02:47:10] * cmn32480 wishes we had a list of the worst subs to see what you trainees can do w/ them
[02:47:14] <charon> on live are there subs that sit in the sub queue because no one wants to deal with them?
[02:47:31] <charon> and that would be fun
[02:47:31] <cmn32480> yep
[02:47:42] <chromas> They're being aged to perfection
[02:47:45] <cmn32480> it has been known to happen
[02:47:47] <charon> lol
[02:48:15] <cmn32480> it is generally that we don't ahve the time to devote to a single sub becasue the queu needs to get stuffed and we need to go to bed
[02:48:45] <cmn32480> like right now, I'm putting somethign in the queue just to stop a day of bytram from happeneing
[02:48:45] <charon> challenge accepted!
[02:49:26] <Bytram> cmn32480: you could post my submission. =)
[02:49:35] <cmn32480> i was thinking the same thing
[02:49:36] <Bytram> and I'm working on another one atm
[02:49:46] <cmn32480> the irony comples you!
[02:52:06] <Bytram> comples?
[02:52:34] <Bytram> oh. compels. =)
[02:52:44] <chromas> compiles
[02:52:52] <charon> completes?
[02:53:30] <Bytram> complicates
[02:53:41] * cmn32480 has this astounding urge to put a rickroll link in a story
[02:53:56] <Bytram> save it for 4/a
[02:54:02] <Bytram> ugh. 4/1
[02:54:12] <charon> after being fooled too many times, i recognize the youtube hash
[02:54:42] <cmn32480> I betcha there is another vidya of it
[02:55:29] <cmn32480> #yt rickroll
[02:55:30] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[02:55:59] <cmn32480> #yt rick ainsley rickroll
[02:56:00] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[02:56:19] <cmn32480> #yt rick astley rickroll
[02:56:20] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[02:56:26] <charon> ~report
[02:57:15] <cmn32480> exec ignores mrplow
[02:58:20] <Bytram> darn, we just lost another computer pioneer: http://mobile.nytimes.com
[02:58:46] <cmn32480> ???
[03:00:09] <Bytram> ~title on
[03:00:10] <exec> titles already enabled for 10#editorial
[03:00:15] <Bytram> oh.
[03:00:24] <cmn32480> exec ignores mrplow
[03:00:49] <cmn32480> if he doesnt'.. it gets rather ugly
[03:01:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> need content-specific ignoring
[03:01:28] <cmn32480> you tell that to his mia programmer
[03:02:18] <cmn32480> gents.. I'm spent.
[03:02:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, ditto
[03:02:30] <cmn32480> timne for me to go to bed unless there is somethinhg else that I need to handle here
[03:02:39] <Bytram> Dr. Forrester: He was also one of the inventors of magnetic core memory, an efficient form of computer memory that dominated the computer industry for more than two decades.
[03:02:47] <cmn32480> I read that as "yar, dildo" and was confused
[03:03:00] <charon> gnight cmn32480
[03:03:16] <charon> ~gnight cmn32480
[03:03:18] * exec abrasively hallucinates a udf volume of poutine-- with cmn32480
[03:03:23] <cmn32480> ~gnight charon.
[03:03:25] * exec cromulently liberates a buttcrack of onion dip from charon.
[03:03:28] <cmn32480> and good job
[03:03:37] <charon> thank you
[03:03:41] * charon bows
[03:03:46] <Bytram> ~gnight cmn32480
[03:03:48] * exec casually bitchslaps an exabyte of potato salad with cmn32480
[03:04:09] * cmn32480 puts a boot in charon's ass when he is looking at his shoes
[03:04:17] <cmn32480> ~gngiht bytram
[03:04:25] <Bytram> easy for you to say
[03:04:32] <Bytram> hmm
[03:04:33] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[03:04:35] * exec diabolically sodomizes a shot of hatred with bytram
[03:04:40] <Bytram> urk?
[03:04:52] <cmn32480> i got potato salad.
[03:04:53] <Bytram> I think the potatosalad wins on that one
[03:04:54] <cmn32480> I'm good
[03:05:02] * cmn32480 thinks about having a
[03:05:05] <Bytram> darn tootin!
[03:05:05] <cmn32480> #sammich
[03:05:05] * MrPlow whips up a #:;!.`~'",<>?()[]{}|\+=*&^%$#@ sammich for cmn32480
[03:05:12] <charon> i do not have onion dip in my butcrack
[03:05:15] <Bytram> tasty!
[03:05:16] <cmn32480> #smake chromas
[03:05:16] * MrPlow smakes chromas upside the head with diego
[03:05:29] <Bytram> #sammich
[03:05:29] * MrPlow whips up a smoked cat nipple jerky sammich for Bytram
[03:05:40] <Bytram> meoooow???
[03:05:46] <Bytram> no thanks.
[03:05:50] <cmn32480> yeah
[03:05:57] <Bytram> is time for me to hit the hay, too.
[03:06:02] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:07:34] <Bytram|away> Quote of the week from http://mobile.nytimes.com
[03:07:44] <Bytram|away> In the seven decades he was at M.I.T., Professor Forrester retained an engineer’s curiosity about how things work, and occasionally voiced dismay that his students were not always so inclined.
[03:07:44] <Bytram|away> He recalled in 2011 that he once asked students in an engineering class if they understood how the feedback mechanism in a toilet’s water tank maintained the water level.
[03:07:44] <Bytram|away> “I asked them, ‘How many of you have ever taken the lid off a toilet tank to see how it works?’” he recalled. “None of them had. How do you get to M.I.T. without having ever looked inside a toilet tank?”
[03:08:04] <charon> lol, i thought that was a great line too
[03:08:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't read the nyt. they haven't had good journalism there in a long time.
[03:09:34] <Bytram|away> #submit http://mobile.nytimes.com
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[03:09:40] <Bytram|away> okay...
[03:09:43] <Bytram|away> ~submit http://mobile.nytimes.com
[03:09:45] <exec> error: title not found or empty
[03:09:48] <Bytram|away> heh.
[03:09:52] <Bytram|away> alrighty then.
[03:10:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> gak you broke the bot
[03:10:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, some kinda utf8 error in the curl lib looks like
[03:11:25] <Bytram|away> I broke... curl ???
[03:11:28] <Bytram|away> !woop
[03:11:28] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[03:11:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll debug it tomorrow. don't break the bot till then.
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[03:11:44] <charon> some serious skill there
[03:11:46] <Bytram|away> not a problem... bed time for me
[03:11:58] <charon> ~gnight Bytram|away
[03:12:00] * exec clumsily stuffs a kilobyte of IOUs into Bytram|away
[03:12:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|away can break anything
[03:12:06] <Bytram|away> I've broken compilers, operating systems, DBs, and a few other applications, as well.
[03:12:31] <Bytram|away> and that's just the software
[03:12:34] <Bytram|away> =)
[03:13:03] * Bytram|away remembers seeing magic smoke and thinking "oh, no!!!!"
[03:13:03] <charon> more the fool me, i try NOT to break things
[03:13:20] <Bytram|away> ok, early day for me on the morrow.
[03:13:22] <Bytram|away> laters!
[03:13:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> never avoid doing something you're good at
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[06:07:19] <GreatOutdoors> Any thoughts on the bill to end the Electoral college?
[06:22:45] <GreatOutdoors> Also, if there is an actual training document, feel free to email it to the address attached to my nickname, or message me with a link.
[06:28:04] <charon> GreatOutdoors: I'm not an editor (yet) but the wiki training doc you can look at is https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[06:28:07] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[06:28:43] <charon> but before most of that info is useful, you have to have editing privileges set up on the dev server
[06:39:43] <GreatOutdoors> Thanks charon
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[11:12:47] <janrinok_afk> ~tell Bytram|away I'm happy with the work you and cmn have done with charon and snow - transfer them to prod if they are content and ready to take the next step
[11:13:25] <janrinok_afk> ~tell cmn32480 I'm happy with the work you and bytram have done with charon and snow - transfer them to prod if they are content and ready to take the next step
[12:32:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> GreatOutdoors, you now have editor privs on https://dev.soylentnews.org
[12:32:32] <exec> └─ 13Dev.SN: Dev.SN is dead developers
[13:18:49] <GreatOutdoors> Thanks TheMightyBuzzard
[13:20:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not an editor but the short version of what they're going to tell you is read the wiki page that charon linked earlier and practice on dev.
[13:21:05] <GreatOutdoors> Sounds good.
[13:21:51] <GreatOutdoors> I am off to work now.. gotta make a few pennies.
[13:22:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, enjoy
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[13:40:50] <janrinok_afk> just missed him
[13:41:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know. it's like you lot have lives outside editing or something. get with the program, slackers.
[13:46:52] <cmn32480> ~buzzkill
[13:46:53] <exec> .kick TheMightyBuzzard
[13:48:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> oi, you two, if me or mechanicjay managed to get this subbed today, can we get it out by tonight or tomorrow morning? it's one hell of a well written/researched piece http://slatestarcodex.com
[13:48:44] <exec> └─ 13You Are Still Crying Wolf | Slate Star Codex
[13:49:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> would be something interesting that could actually spark intelligent debate over the weekend.
[13:50:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> not going to hold my breath, mind you, but i do still have some hope
[13:50:48] * cmn32480 heads out for a customer site.
[14:49:44] <janrinok_afk> TheMightyBuzzard, what time do you want it to go out?
[14:50:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> not particular. any old time'll do.
[14:50:38] <janrinok_afk> sat or sun?
[14:51:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> sat prolly. keep the weekend more active.
[14:51:39] <janrinok_afk> OK, I can put it out evening my time - about early afternoon-early eve in USA?
[14:52:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> works for me. i'll give ya a heads up when either me or mechanicjay gets it done.
[14:52:22] <janrinok_afk> OK, I'll do my best
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[15:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://mobile.nytimes.com
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[16:15:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|away, turns out the NYT sends garbage data when you use curl on it. that's why it crashed MrPlow, because it was binary data not valid utf-8.
[16:18:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> something's screwy in their implementation of gzip encoding
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[17:59:40] <mrpg> Hello, I'm ready for my training and I created my dev account. I'm reading the wiki right now.
[18:04:02] <nick> new editor?
[18:04:13] <janrinok> mrpg, give me 10 minutes and I'll be with you
[18:04:16] <janrinok> ~gday nick
[18:04:18] * exec casually passes a +1 mace of boiled dog stuffed with rice to nick
[18:04:26] <nick> hi janrinok
[18:04:41] <janrinok> we are currently training 10 yes 10 volunteers!
[18:06:10] <mrpg> Yes new editor, I'll wait thanks.
[18:06:49] <nick> well that is something
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[18:09:50] <janrinok> how's things been nick?
[18:10:27] <janrinok> ~gday hazuki
[18:10:29] * exec dexterously sodomizes a stein of red cordial with hazuki
[18:10:54] <nick> was very busy, not in the UK any more, doing some travelling and remote working
[18:11:07] <janrinok> so I guessed
[18:11:29] <nick> how about for you?
[18:11:57] <janrinok> ups and downs, particularly with S. But she is fighting on and doing OK at present
[18:12:31] <nick> give her my regards, glad to hear she's OK at the minute
[18:12:36] <janrinok> we have a few eds who are close to burn out, so we are recruiting so that we can spread the workload
[18:13:05] <janrinok> will do. I'm going to have to close this connection and change computers for the training with mrpg. will you be on over the w/e?
[18:13:19] <nick> yeah, i should be around
[18:13:41] <janrinok> I'll catch up with you then. sry - but 10 trainees is quite a handful!
[18:13:47] <nick> indeed
[18:13:49] <nick> take care
[18:13:52] <janrinok> and you
[18:13:55] <nick> glad to see some more people helping out
[18:14:01] <janrinok> we all will be!
[18:15:29] <janrinok> mrpg, I've pm'd you because I lost your connection with the reboot
[18:15:49] <mrpg> ok
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[18:35:39] <charon> janrinok: you there?
[18:36:09] <janrinok> busy training on a pm with mrpg
[18:36:37] <charon> ok, cheers then. got your messages
[18:37:56] <janrinok> thanks, take a look around the real thing :)
[18:42:02] <janrinok> charon - you will see that we have stories queued well into saturday
[18:44:08] <charon> looking at live. should I have the same top bar as dev? not seeing it
[18:46:37] <janrinok> yes you should have - I'm just waiting for Buzzard to appear to change some privs so I will ask him to do yours - although I thought it had been done...
[18:49:50] <charon> TheMightyBuzzard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.
[18:52:29] <mrpg> like debian :-)
[18:52:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, mrpg is set on dev. charon needs privs on live?
[18:54:03] <janrinok> yes please - charon on lie
[18:54:05] <janrinok> live*
[18:54:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> done
[18:54:43] <charon> thanks TMB
[18:54:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[18:55:11] <charon> my god, it's full of stars
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[18:57:55] <goodie> ~gday janrinok
[18:57:56] * exec figuratively integrates a spankbank of donuts with janrinok
[18:58:04] <goodie> I just saw your message for requets for editing. I will take care of it tonight, sorry work has been pretty hectic the past 24hrs.
[19:00:11] <charon> ~gday goodie
[19:00:12] * exec inadequately postulates an assload of breakfast cake towards goodie
[19:05:50] <janrinok> goodie - np thanks. In your own time, there is no rush. I'm just on a pm training mrpg at the moment
[19:10:19] <AzumaHazuki> okay, dumb question time: i am logged in to dev.sn.org
[19:10:25] <AzumaHazuki> where/how do i edit stuff that's in queue?
[19:13:21] <janrinok> AzumaHazuki, I'm currently training mrpg, can you hang on for a short while and I can talk you through it?
[19:16:22] <charon> AzumaHazuki: If you haven't seen this page, it gives a decent account of how to do the basics. https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[19:16:24] <AzumaHazuki> sure, no rush
[19:16:25] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[19:16:53] <AzumaHazuki> this can wait as long as needed; i'm just making sure we're not down to critical levels
[19:23:48] * TheMightyBuzzard steps back in for a moment
[19:24:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, the "Crying Wolf" sub is the one I was talking about. looks like someone beat mechanicjay to it.
[19:25:14] <janrinok> OK, I'll give it a look later
[19:27:35] <AzumaHazuki> jeez, that JMorris guy is nuts...
[19:29:25] <goodie> ok thanks
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[20:22:41] <janrinok> phew - I need a cup of tea!
[20:50:30] <nick> i bet
[21:11:34] <janrinok> wow - that was a long session, but well worth it
[21:12:42] <SoylentSnow> I hear that from my wife a lot
[21:13:01] <charon> janrinok: I'm about to log off for a while, but since you're here, I have a question.
[21:13:45] <janrinok> go ahead
[21:13:51] <charon> I have powers on live now, but should I wait to use them under someone's guidance?
[21:14:17] <janrinok> I had left a handful of stories to be 2nd'ed but someone beat you too it!
[21:14:22] <charon> i know
[21:14:43] <charon> you guys work hard
[21:14:48] <charon> and fast
[21:14:52] <janrinok> have a look at the kind of subs we are getting. Some need a lot of work, others are almost ready to go.
[21:15:25] <janrinok> I'll be around tomorrow and happy to watch over you all while you each process a story if you want
[21:16:05] <charon> your TZ is GMT?
[21:16:08] <janrinok> alternatively, do a story and put it in the queue but the the display option DESELECTED. Another ed can have a look at it before either helping you
[21:16:13] <janrinok> or releasing ti
[21:16:29] <janrinok> GMT+1 but close enough
[21:16:43] <charon> ah, that's a good idea. i have a couple subs that i wanted to try my hand at
[21:17:33] <janrinok> the queues are good for another 12 hours at least, so I should be able to look at them before we have to make a decision
[21:18:06] <charon> ok, I will do a couple tonight and set them to not display
[21:18:09] <janrinok> P666's and takyon's subs are usually the easiest - very little to do with them normally
[21:18:14] <charon> boring
[21:18:16] <janrinok> np
[21:18:38] <janrinok> lol - go for one from MrPlow or exec then - that'll give you something to do
[21:19:54] <nick> i like the enthusiasm
[21:20:26] <janrinok> so do I - it'll be nice to not have to fill 6-8 hours worth of queue everyday too!
[21:20:58] <janrinok> nick, are you back in the UK now or still travelling the globe?
[21:21:15] <nick> still travelling, plan on doing so for a while
[21:21:35] <janrinok> good, and good for business too, I assume?
[21:22:47] <nick> remains to be seen. i'm considering new opportunities and changing approaches. i didn't feel there was any more progress to be made on my current path without ever increasing sacrifices
[21:23:16] <janrinok> understood. Nice to hear from you again though, I was hoping you hadn't just faded away
[21:25:42] <nick> things had been in a pretty bad situation in recent months, which made me made the final decision to try something new... as i mentioned in my journal reply to takyon... i was not surprised but disappointed that a couple of my submissions here that i spent time and effort on got rejected with no reason given... i ran out of energy to contribute to the site
[21:27:16] <janrinok> I make an effort to give a reason for rejections, not quite sure what happened with yours. Sorry that fell through the cracks.
[21:27:30] <nick> my contributions were not adding the value i hoped, not been great to keep an eye on the RSS feed for here and be kind of 'meh' at the stories.
[21:27:48] <janrinok> however, you are always welcome back here, you know that I hope?
[21:28:52] <janrinok> if you are really bored, we have a handful of enthusiastic new bloods who need managing!
[21:29:59] <nick> i know it wasn't anything personal, and i wasn't surprised about the rejections, i was disappointed no one brought up their concerns with me though and just let them sit in the queue for a month.
[21:30:37] <nick> as before, i'm happy to help, and i can hopefully be more constructive now i'm in a better place and not stressed constantly
[21:31:07] <janrinok> I don't remember them - but I've had ups and downs with S as I mentioned earlier - but that's no excuse of course.
[21:31:45] <janrinok> I think you were fortunate to miss the silly political season - I'm not sorry to see the back of that
[21:32:56] <nick> my stories were related to that, but i could also see the growing atmosphere around those kind of stories, didn't feel like it was a good environment for nuanced discussion
[21:33:00] <nick> which is sad in itself
[21:33:14] <janrinok> You had every right to be disappointed with your treatment - you have put a lot of effort in here. However, nobody deserves to be ignored like that
[21:34:05] <janrinok> most of those stories - IMO - resulting in mud slinging rather than an intelligent discussion. There were good moment too of course, but far too much noise that the signal was being lost
[21:34:37] <nick> got to pick your battles, for all the disappointment, it was still good to prove that editors don't get special treatment ;)
[21:34:51] <nick> even if it came at the cost of my 100% accepted submissions record!
[21:35:02] <janrinok> I'll use this as a teaching point for the new guys too - show them how mistakes have been made and the cost that it has
[21:36:38] <nick> please be sure that i'm not blaming anyone or anything like that... i know you guys as much as me have so much shit going on, doing what you can with the time you can find
[21:37:35] <janrinok> but it is in nobody's interest to piss of people who are making submissions - that is counter-productive and we cannot afford to behave that way, as well as being simply rude
[21:39:14] <janrinok> we've got a lesson there that we need to take on board.
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[21:40:57] <janrinok> I'm going to have to stack soon - it is late for me and I have a feeling that I have a busy weekend ahead of me with matters domestic and on here - I'm enjoying it though!
[21:42:13] <nick> thanks for taking the time to see where i'm coming from with that stuff, as you know i take the work ive done here very seriously, i dont want to see opportunity squandered or anyone have their time wasted with the platform we have here
[21:42:37] <nick> get some rest, must be getting very late for you
[21:42:58] <nick> give my regards to S, and great to chat with you again :)
[21:43:11] <janrinok> you have processed over 1400 stories and made numerous comments, in addition to your submissions. we are all grateful for that
[21:43:48] <janrinok> I'm glad we have met up again, I'm here for the foreseeable future and have always got time to chat to you
[21:43:59] * nick hat tip
[21:44:10] * janrinok tips hat back
[21:44:59] <janrinok> be safe nick - whatever you choose to do next
[21:50:13] <janrinok> time for me to go
[21:50:26] <janrinok> ~gnight #editorial
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[22:26:51] <mrpg> Hi, what's the time zone in dev?
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[22:55:41] <nick> mrpg, i would assume it's GMT
[22:56:39] <nick> indeed it is
[22:57:08] <mrpg> ok thanks
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[23:05:08] <cmn32480> NICK!
[23:05:14] <cmn32480> mrpg - it is UTC
[23:05:31] <cmn32480> which can be different from GMT if I understand it correctly
[23:05:31] <mrpg> thank you.
[23:05:48] <cmn32480> or whatever Tz you have specified
[23:06:00] <nick> GMT==UTC=/=BST
[23:06:03] <cmn32480> you will see both utc adn your tz listed in the editorial interface
[23:06:03] <nick> and hey cmn32480 :)
[23:06:16] <cmn32480> long time no see
[23:06:20] <cmn32480> all been ok>?
[23:06:25] <cmn32480> we were getting worried about you
[23:07:02] <nick> things are better now, had a lot of shit going on. back on the road again, change of pace.
[23:07:07] * cmn32480 reads the backscroll incase these questions are already asked and answered
[23:07:18] <cmn32480> still in the UK?
[23:07:22] <nick> yeah, i talked with janrinok earlier
[23:07:26] <nick> no
[23:07:40] <nick> back in south america for the moment, but options are open
[23:07:53] <cmn32480> semi-permanent in SA?
[23:08:52] <nick> probably going to use it as a base, but i hope to do some more travelling for a few months
[23:09:22] <cmn32480> excellent
[23:09:26] <nick> trying not to do too much of the working and stressing
[23:09:43] <cmn32480> sounds like thigns are finally coming together
[23:09:44] <nick> how have you been?
[23:09:59] * cmn32480 is glad to hear it. and glad to see you coming back around
[23:10:03] <cmn32480> busy as hell
[23:10:11] <cmn32480> the proverbial 1-armed paper hanger
[23:10:54] <nick> being kept on the road yourself still?
[23:11:26] <cmn32480> oh yeah
[23:11:31] <cmn32480> most of the last 3-4 months
[23:11:45] <cmn32480> but I got a "break" when I busted my ankle
[23:12:08] <nick> now you get to catch up!
[23:12:29] <nick> not fun breaking an ankle though :( healing up ok?
[23:13:37] <cmn32480> it's been about 9 weeks... and so far so good
[23:13:49] <cmn32480> I'm out of the fracture boot.
[23:14:02] <cmn32480> wore sneakers for the first time since Sept. 3 the other day
[23:14:10] <cmn32480> that was almost reason to party
[23:15:21] <nick> yeah i bet
[23:15:36] <cmn32480> tehy say 3-6 months before being 100%... I'm hoping for the shorter
[23:16:08] <nick> the wife and kids cut you some slack?
[23:16:23] <cmn32480> hell no
[23:16:26] <nick> heh
[23:16:43] <cmn32480> worst wa that I broke it on a hike w/ the cub scouts
[23:16:51] <cmn32480> I've been receiving no end of crap
[23:17:03] <SoylentSnow> What?! You are practically a hero!
[23:17:37] <cmn32480> #smake SoylentSnow
[23:17:37] * MrPlow smakes SoylentSnow upside the head with a plate of chicken n waffles
[23:18:56] <nick> ok, that is as funny as breaking an ankle can be
[23:19:09] <cmn32480> yeah
[23:19:10] <SoylentSnow> I'm just saying... It could have been falling off the roof or doing something stupid. But breaking while helping kids....
[23:19:12] <cmn32480> but I got lucky
[23:19:26] <nick> SoylentSnow, not so much helping kids when he's the liability...
[23:19:36] <SoylentSnow> I guess, heh
[23:19:42] <cmn32480> Dr says that if I broke it abot a hlaf inch further up, I'd ahve been in plaster and crutches for 8 weeks
[23:20:59] <nick> that is pretty lucky
[23:21:13] <cmn32480> all things considered.. I'd say so
[23:21:44] <nick> glad you're ok and the family isn't giving you a break ;)
[23:22:11] GreatOutdoors|afk is now known as GreatOutdoors
[23:22:28] <cmn32480> thanks
[23:22:28] <mrpg> Is this a good submission? Music Group Confirms What.CD Raid, Claims Millions in Losses
[23:22:57] <cmn32480> on dev?
[23:22:58] <cmn32480> prod?
[23:23:02] <cmn32480> limbo?
[23:23:05] <cmn32480> Jupiter?
[23:23:15] <cmn32480> or just the topic in general?
[23:23:39] <mrpg> prod
[23:25:20] <cmn32480> the mrplow sub?
[23:25:47] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[23:25:49] <exec> └─ 13What.cd Shuts Down Following Reported Raids in France - TorrentFreak: SoylentNews Submission
[23:26:24] <mrpg> I don't have access to prod yet, I saw it in torrentfreak.
[23:26:54] <mrpg> So it is already in, ok :)
[23:27:08] <cmn32480> i think it is already ther.. but it is a mrplow subu
[23:27:27] <cmn32480> so if you like it and want to write it up, that's always better than a mrplow/exec sub with jsut a link in them
[23:27:44] <cmn32480> and yes the topic is good
[23:27:46] <GreatOutdoors> I am present if anyone has anything that needs to be gone over with a new guy. I have been in contact with janrinok a bit already, but we are never online at the same time.
[23:28:05] <cmn32480> how much do you already know?
[23:28:12] <cmn32480> 1) A lot
[23:28:18] <cmn32480> 2) virtually nothing
[23:28:28] <cmn32480> 3) I can read, but this about it
[23:28:47] * cmn32480 is feeling rather snarky tonight
[23:28:57] <nick> lol
[23:29:12] <cmn32480> starting a vacation will do that to ya
[23:29:25] <nick> i'm getting all nostalgic now for when you first started out ;)
[23:29:25] <GreatOutdoors> 3.5?
[23:29:34] <cmn32480> you can read big words?
[23:29:50] <nick> use all caps.
[23:29:55] <GreatOutdoors> hellifiknow :)
[23:30:25] * cmn32480 finds nick's nostalgia highly unlikely
[23:30:58] <nick> i remember my own snarky relief at having some fresh meat to grind down
[23:32:07] <SoylentSnow> Well gentlemen... It's 4:30 in my part of the world, so I'm heading home. I've enjoyed lurking here today. Until next time!
[23:32:20] <GreatOutdoors> Adios
[23:32:29] * nick hat tip to SoylentSnow
[23:32:30] * SoylentSnow Trots off into the sunset riding his white horse
[23:32:50] <nick> i need to go to the store and find something to make for dinner
[23:32:50] -!- SoylentSnow has quit [Quit: Web client closed]
[23:33:20] <nick> if my horrible little chinese rental car can make it that far...
[23:33:37] <GreatOutdoors> Really though, I have the wiki link to the editing process and I believe that janrinok has me setup on the dev server with permissions.
[23:34:15] <cmn32480> ~gnight soy
[23:34:17] * exec abrasively allocates a teaspoon of doughnuts and/or donuts for soy
[23:34:49] <cmn32480> have a good night nick
[23:34:53] <cmn32480> nice to see you around again
[23:35:01] <cmn32480> your presence has been missed
[23:35:14] <cmn32480> ok
[23:35:21] <cmn32480> GreatOutdoors, pm"\
[23:35:39] <nick> i'll be lurking... and it's always a pleasure to chat to you, cmn32480 :)
[23:36:01] <nick> and now, to get foodings!
[23:36:12] * nick hat tip to all
[23:37:01] * cmn32480 hat tips
[23:59:16] <Deucalion> greets nick - long time no see