#editorial | Logs for 2016-11-16

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[00:10:29] <cmn32480> all new editorial volunteers reg with Nickserv to protect your nick!
[00:10:36] <cmn32480> do this: /msg NickServ REGISTER <password> <email-address>
[00:11:07] <cmn32480> charon you seem to be the only one logged in atm.
[00:11:13] <cmn32480> do the above, please.
[00:19:55] <charon> already did. i know a bit about old school IRC
[00:20:12] <cmn32480> that makes one of us
[00:20:18] <charon> lol
[00:20:18] <cmn32480> I'd never used it until I got here
[00:21:47] <charon> I am in my 40s, so I was the right age during the great age of IRC.
[00:22:05] <cmn32480> I am 36... and had never heard of it
[00:22:10] <charon> It actually surprised me that it was still commonly used.
[00:22:19] <cmn32480> only by nerds, apparently
[00:22:26] <charon> true that
[00:22:31] <cmn32480> but alas I gotta go feed my chillens
[00:23:04] <charon> Take care
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[01:40:46] <cmn32480> ~gday fnord666
[01:40:47] * exec readily throws a pair of used panties full of rations at fnord666
[01:40:57] <cmn32480> ~gday goodie
[01:40:59] * exec spontaneously connects an armpit of salt and vinegar chips to goodie
[01:41:42] <Fnord666> ~gday cmn32480
[01:41:44] * exec provocatively queefs an exchange server of clam chowder at cmn32480
[01:42:46] <goodie> ~gday good people
[01:42:48] * exec hurriedly vomits a bottle of shekels on good
[01:42:53] <goodie> lol
[01:43:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday goodie
[01:43:42] * exec $adverb deallocates a tremendouns number of teenage angst from goodie
[01:44:31] <Fnord666> well that was maybe interesting
[01:45:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> what's that, the used panties?
[01:45:40] <Fnord666> Well that too, but I meant the possible variable substitution failure with $adverb.
[01:45:57] <cmn32480> no.. that's in the list
[01:46:11] <goodie> I've always felt special
[01:46:12] <Fnord666> Thus the maybe in my statement.
[01:46:52] <Fnord666> @goodie we've always felt you were special too.
[01:47:14] <Fnord666> :-)
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[02:05:46] <cmn32480> goodie - be sure to reg w/ nickserv
[02:06:00] <cmn32480> do this: /msg NickServ REGISTER <password> <email-address>
[02:10:38] <goodie> stupid question (I get one per day): what does that do exactly and why is it necessary?
[02:11:20] <cmn32480> nickserv reserves your IRC nick
[02:12:09] <cmn32480> via password, to prevent others from acting as you
[02:12:35] <cmn32480> also required, should you decide to continue editing and join the staff, to get a staff VHost and get on ZNC
[02:12:50] <cmn32480> I'll grant several per day at this point
[02:13:08] <cmn32480> brb.. gotta kiss my kids gnight
[02:13:21] <goodie> ha! way ahead of you on that one ;)
[02:14:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> you already kissed his kids goodnight? that's kinda creepy.
[02:17:12] <goodie> lol
[02:22:09] <goodie> great, I'll be known as some sort of online predator now ;)
[02:23:09] <chromas> It comes with the job
[02:24:45] <goodie> alright gotta go finish some work stuff :(
[02:24:56] <goodie> ~gnight everybody!
[02:24:58] * exec ironically piles $container of ribs on everybody!
[02:25:14] <goodie> $container?
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[03:06:27] Bytram|hiding is now known as Bytram
[03:07:18] * Bytram notes folks have been VERY busy here today -- quickly skims through scrollback
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[03:21:18] <cmn32480> bytram is a better man than I
[03:21:26] <cmn32480> I searched for my nick and that was it!
[03:21:32] <cmn32480> ~gday Bytram
[03:21:34] * exec faithfully $action a sole datagram of whoopass $preposition Bytram
[03:22:17] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[03:22:19] * exec historically cropdusts a rar archive of slack over cmn32480
[03:22:34] <Bytram> slacker!
[03:23:10] <cmn32480> <------ This guy is prod of that title
[03:23:51] <Bytram> cmn32480: s/prod/proud/
[03:23:53] <exec> <Bytram> <cmn32480> <------ This guy is proud of that title
[03:24:15] <Bytram> if YOU are a slacker, I can't imagine what a productive worker would accomplish
[03:24:22] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[03:24:22] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 75
[03:24:33] <cmn32480> better to be called a slacker than a dog named Shithead
[03:24:56] <Bytram> me and you and a dog named boo
[03:25:34] <cmn32480> lol
[03:25:39] <cmn32480> how we doin' bytram?
[03:26:04] <Bytram> a bit better, but still draggin... thanks for askin
[03:26:10] <Bytram> you?
[03:26:26] <cmn32480> 'bout the same
[03:26:27] <Bytram> and... did I see that we have TEN new editors-in-waiting? WOWZA!
[03:26:30] <cmn32480> lef thte house bfore 6am
[03:26:35] <cmn32480> got back just before 6pm
[03:26:43] <Bytram> thas a LONG day
[03:26:53] <cmn32480> drove 277 miles.. and brought a customer site online in between
[03:28:03] <Bytram> productive, then?
[03:28:13] <cmn32480> but tiring
[03:28:28] <Bytram> is hard to be effortlessly productive
[03:28:30] <cmn32480> lunch was a Boston Creme and Chocoloate Frosted with sprinkles
[03:28:45] <Bytram> balanced diet at least... chocolate with chocolate
[03:28:45] <cmn32480> and an X-Large Coffee
[03:29:31] <Bytram> never mind a 'port-a-potty', programmers need a 'port-a-pot' for making coffee
[03:30:19] <charon> Cans of coffee with a bit of thermite on the bottom.
[03:30:32] <cmn32480> mite be a little TOO hot
[03:30:33] <Bytram> coffee with a kick, eh?
[03:32:39] * cmn32480 is 2nding prod
[03:34:01] <cmn32480> NotSanguine - I think the placement of the blockquote quite appropriate on the Gaark article, and agree with the reson stated. Good thinking
[03:34:28] <Bytram> cmn32480: story submitted about mouse sewn into a dress by an AC who quotes nearly all of a BBC article which in turn references The New York Post.
[03:34:41] <Bytram> a might bit salacious, but might provoke an interewting dicsusison
[03:34:47] <cmn32480> I saw that someplace else too.
[03:35:01] <cmn32480> interesting weekend fodder maybe
[03:35:21] <Bytram> give 'em a distraction from the election, but beware of SJW nonsense
[03:35:39] <Bytram> s/non.*/noise/
[03:35:41] <exec> <Bytram> give 'em a distraction from the election, but beware of SJW noise
[03:35:50] <Bytram> nah,I think I'll run with it.
[03:36:21] <Bytram> on second thought... wait for W/E
[03:37:21] * cmn32480 tries to 2nd his own atricle and fails miserably
[03:38:20] * Bytram chuckles having attempted the same, himself
[03:38:41] * TheMightyBuzzard inserts random typos
[03:39:07] <cmn32480> #smake TheMightyBuzzard
[03:39:07] * MrPlow smakes TheMightyBuzzard upside the head with a hashref
[03:39:10] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: s/ypo/opy/
[03:39:12] <exec> <Bytram> <TheMightyBuzzard> inserts random topys
[03:39:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite cmn32480
[03:39:38] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[03:40:00] <cmn32480> gods have smiled on Bytramm
[03:40:05] <cmn32480> git fitin' boy!
[03:41:00] <MrPlow> #fite TheMightyBuzzard falls broken at cmn32480's feet.
[03:41:06] <cmn32480> WOOT!
[03:41:09] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[03:41:09] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 76
[03:41:15] <Bytram> #fite scoreboard
[03:41:15] * MrPlow looks around but doesn't see scoreboard
[03:41:18] <cmn32480> #fitectl status
[03:41:18] <MrPlow> #fite cmn32480 level: 93, hp: 3, weapon: 'the CoC of Conformity', armor: 'exploding Note 7'
[03:41:22] <Bytram> #fitectl scoreboard
[03:41:22] <MrPlow> #fite scoreboard updated: https://sylnt.us
[03:41:28] <Bytram> #fite cmn32480
[03:41:28] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[03:41:37] <MrPlow> #fite cmn32480 falls broken at Bytram's feet.
[03:41:51] <cmn32480> rats.. I was ginn give swiss an easy win
[03:41:53] * TheMightyBuzzard laffs
[03:42:07] <Bytram> I'm prolly pretty low atm
[03:42:08] <cmn32480> ~say #fite swiss
[03:42:09] <exec> #fite swiss
[03:42:09] * MrPlow looks around but doesn't see swiss
[03:42:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> good fairy just came by a bit ago
[03:42:25] <Bytram> oh, nice.
[03:42:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> every four hours
[03:42:40] <Bytram> is that on a timer of some sort?
[03:42:58] <cmn32480> nope just a regular egg timer
[03:43:12] <cmn32480> serious hard boiling
[03:43:26] <Bytram> nah, just a wise crack
[03:43:51] <Bytram> ooops
[03:44:13] <Bytram> just noticed another story in subs about requiring electric cars make noise
[03:44:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> they should make fart noises instead of engine noises
[03:44:43] <charon> they do
[03:44:43] <Bytram> after I already pushed one out
[03:45:09] <charon> sorry, wrong channel
[03:45:23] <Bytram> "Don't Touch That Dial!"
[03:45:58] <cmn32480> is ok
[03:46:02] <cmn32480> we love you anyway
[03:48:22] * Bytram hums Barney 'song'
[03:49:19] <Bytram> thanksfully, the other sub was from an AC, so no need to kludge things so submitter gets karma
[03:50:11] <Bytram> updated
[03:51:17] <Bytram> zap head ==> fat loss
[03:52:25] <Bytram> @ 2016/11/16 22:10:00
[03:53:22] <Bytram> cmn32480: did you see there were two subs on Apple's picture book?
[03:53:27] <cmn32480> yes
[03:53:31] <Bytram> k
[03:53:31] <cmn32480> and I merged them into 1
[03:53:36] * Bytram 2nds samsung
[03:53:43] <cmn32480> _I_ paid attention
[03:53:51] <Bytram> LOL!
[03:54:01] <cmn32480> I'm done
[03:54:05] <cmn32480> I need to hit the sack
[03:54:11] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[03:54:12] * exec prematurely $action a buzzfeed listicle of Uranus $preposition bytram
[03:54:18] <Bytram> ~gnight cmn32480
[03:54:21] * exec ironically irritates a buttload of lips & assholes with cmn32480
[03:54:31] <Bytram> tie
[03:54:44] <cmn32480> deal
[03:54:52] <Bytram> hmmm
[03:54:57] <Bytram> dept on that article
[03:55:07] <Bytram> Zappity doo dah
[03:55:09] <cmn32480> note it and wash up
[03:55:09] <Bytram> ?
[03:55:24] <Bytram> nah, like yours better
[03:55:25] <cmn32480> the samsung article?
[03:55:32] <Bytram> yep
[03:55:41] <Bytram> btw, chained lightening s/b lightning
[03:55:44] <cmn32480> no
[03:55:54] <cmn32480> that si the dept line
[03:56:05] <cmn32480> inreference t the exploding stuff
[03:56:07] <Bytram> Ileft dept line unchanged
[03:56:11] <cmn32480> ok
[03:56:25] <Bytram> it was p666's comment at the end that had the tupo
[03:56:28] <cmn32480> look at the dept lin on the mazda article
[03:56:28] <Bytram> *typo
[03:56:38] <Bytram> ROFL
[03:56:57] <Bytram> cept' the RX-8 came out well before sammy's caught fire
[03:57:15] <cmn32480> not relevent
[03:57:16] <Bytram> were those still using a Wankel rotary engine?
[03:57:29] <cmn32480> I think so
[03:57:40] <Bytram> 2nding apple
[03:57:48] <cmn32480> it is even funnier because the story before it was Samsung
[03:58:56] <Bytram> interest-ing "chain" of events, no doubt
[03:59:51] <cmn32480> night
[04:00:00] <Bytram> leigh-ters
[04:12:15] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[04:25:11] <chromas> Bender needs a group grab for that one
[04:36:58] <Fnord666> hello all. janrinok suggested I stop by as I was asking about possibly doing editing.
[04:39:42] <Fnord666> I already have an account on dev.soylentnews.org
[04:43:24] <Fnord666> So I was interested in finding out if you had enough new volunteers already. I saw that cmn32480 mentioned 10 volunteers already.
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[04:48:22] <Fnord666> brb
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[05:30:12] <Fnord666> ~gnight all
[05:30:14] * exec dexterously piles a stein of various oscillators on all
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[05:38:49] <GreatOutdoors1985> Well... this takes me back to my teenage years.... Lots of wasted time on IRC.
[05:39:00] <GreatOutdoors1985> Oh, and Hi.
[05:50:20] <GreatOutdoors1985> Per the instructions on the website:
[05:50:22] <GreatOutdoors1985> Hi, please abuse me
[05:53:46] <GreatOutdoors1985> I created an account on the production and dev sites, user=GreatOutdoors
[05:56:39] <GreatOutdoors1985> I have lingered around here and the "other" site for around a decade, only made a few posts in my time, but I figure for all the years of news and amusement, I could probably put in some time here and there to help out. I used my actual email to create my accounts, you can contact me that way.
[05:56:47] GreatOutdoors1985 is now known as GreatOutdoors
[07:35:06] zz_janrinok is now known as janrinok
[07:45:23] <charon> Good morning, janrinok
[07:46:53] <janrinok> ~gday charon
[07:46:55] * exec figuratively kipes a fistful of puns from charon
[07:47:33] <janrinok> I've left an answer to your question on that story on dev, but I'll repeat it here if you wish?
[07:47:53] <charon> oh, didn't see the answer. here is fine
[07:48:31] <charon> or i'm looking at it now, no need to type again
[07:48:36] <janrinok> you were correct - the [] brackets are used when we add something to quoted text to ensure that it is clear we are not attributing that text to the original quoted source
[07:49:11] <charon> yeah, my question was really though, would that case require it, or can it be assumed as common enough knowledge?
[07:49:59] <janrinok> that depends - it is better to be safe than have comments asking who the hell we are talking about. You have to make a judgement on whether someone is sufficiently well-known or not
[07:51:18] <charon> that's why I added the part about Nokia in brackets, since it was mentioned only in an earlier paragraph
[07:51:30] <janrinok> yes, good call
[07:52:05] <janrinok> are you going to be around for a while?
[07:52:31] <charon> a bit longer, need to get to bes in the next hour or so
[07:52:34] <charon> bed
[07:53:06] <janrinok> I was wondering what you were doing awake at this time (in your TZ) - it's nearly 9am here
[07:53:42] <charon> I work until 10pm, then I can't wind down until late.
[07:53:59] <janrinok> I'm just waiting to see if FatPhil can turn up and we are going to do a training session, if you are still on channel (and awake!) then by all means follow along
[07:54:14] <charon> cool
[07:54:25] <janrinok> not sure what time he will show up though
[07:54:27] <charon> otherwinse it may be we only cross paths briefly
[07:55:09] <janrinok> well, so be it. In your tz cmn32480 is probably your best contact, or Bytram|away - but he is hella busy at present
[07:56:22] <charon> I chatted with cmn earlier on for a while. s/he(?) seems like good people. As do you.
[07:57:46] <janrinok> we like to think that we are an OK team - all the guys working here are good. They wouldn't put the effort in if they didn't think it was worth it
[08:01:12] <charon> ugh, I think I just did the thing that dupes a story
[08:04:22] <janrinok> well I can only see one Ballmer story in the queue - is that the one that you are referring to?
[08:05:47] <charon> yes, but it's also on the front page
[08:05:54] <janrinok> You've got the Ballmer story selected to not display - it would not go public at the time shown, but the submitter would still get the credit for the story. Is that what you intended?
[08:06:12] <charon> oh, i see
[08:06:25] <charon> maybe i don't see
[08:07:09] <janrinok> Once it is in the story queue it will stay there for ever - so that we can refer back to stories that have already gone out. If you refresh your front page you will see that the Ballmer story has gone again
[08:07:23] <charon> so it was on the front page, then i made an edit to the note and it went back to the queue and left the front page. i didn't refresh front page and thought it was still there and duped
[08:07:52] <janrinok> The is because you have deselectedd the display option - so it doesn't go on the front page
[08:08:30] <janrinok> Open the story up for editing again
[08:08:37] <charon> now i think I do get it. undid the disply check and it how it should be again
[08:09:39] <charon> so even though it's on the front page, the entry for it stays in the queue. forever?
[08:09:47] <janrinok> just below the comments you were editing, there is a Preview / Update / Display option line
[08:10:23] <janrinok> Yes the queue contains every story ever processed unless somebody physically removes it from the database
[08:11:20] <janrinok> cmn32480 and Bytram|away have privs to remove stories from the queue forever, but it is not something that we all need or want - it is a dangerous move because it could delete every story
[08:11:37] <janrinok> ... if used incorrectly
[08:12:27] <charon> Oh yes, I can see why that power is not handed out casually
[08:13:36] <janrinok> if, as you have done, you select display again, it will take sometime to filter through the various caches and servers - so it might take 5 or more minutes to reappear on the front page
[08:14:20] <janrinok> at a quiet time like now, it only takes a few seconds or so, and a ctrl-F5 on the browser will force a refresh from your end
[08:15:51] <janrinok> https://soylentnews.org If you want a laugh - look at this link. My first cockup because it went live.
[08:15:53] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Janrinok - FOR TRAINING ONLY - do not release!
[08:16:06] <charon> So this could be done for any story, no matter when it was published? It could be un-displayed?
[08:17:31] <janrinok> yes. We have stories that are being drafted for release in a few days time which are non-displayed, and we will use it when we merge 2 stories under unusual circumstances to make sure that the submitter gets the karma points
[08:17:35] <charon> lol, a touch embarassing
[08:17:49] <janrinok> my first, but not my last ...
[08:18:09] <janrinok> that was when we only had a prod system and no dev
[08:18:37] <janrinok> they were hard rules in the early days :)
[08:18:45] <charon> no matter how many times you say "don't click this button," someone will click it
[08:19:22] <janrinok> I don't remember being told to deselect it - but of course my trainer insisted that I had and gave me a virtual hit to my head
[08:20:18] <janrinok> It still gets quoted to me from time to time when I start acting a little over confident
[08:20:24] <charon> lol
[08:22:08] <janrinok> charon, do you log this channel on your own machine?
[08:23:03] <charon> Prolly not, i am using the browser client. I have a real IRC client somewhere but haven't dug it up
[08:23:27] <charon> I'd guess the browser does not log
[08:24:34] <janrinok> ok, in which case you do not log it. When we do training at busy times we often switch to a pm, which keeps this channel clear and stops us from being interrupted. If you get your own client set up, then logging means you have a copy of everything discussed for future reference
[08:25:07] <charon> Aye, makes good sense. I'll find it
[08:25:20] <janrinok> some things will not make sense no matter how many times we discuss it, until you suddenly experience it for yourself and the penny drops
[08:25:54] <janrinok> However, everything on here is logged anyway - do you know about #logs?
[08:27:35] <janrinok> having said that I've just discovered that #logs is down, server not found!
[08:27:47] <charon> no
[08:27:58] <charon> and i guess i'll find out another day
[08:28:31] <janrinok> ~tell TheMightyBuzzard logs.sylnt.us is not working. 'server not found'
[08:29:29] <janrinok> most of the channels that we run are logged and every log since day 1 is available for anyone to read.
[08:30:13] <janrinok> they are in text format so easily searched and you can find every training session every conducted - but it will be buried in a lot of stuff that you don't want
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[08:31:13] <janrinok> ~eds add fnord666 and greatoutdoors to the list of new potential eds
[08:31:14] <exec> editor ping for janrinok (reason: add fnord666 and greatoutdoors to the list of new potential eds): janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram mrcoolbp cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away
[08:31:25] <charon> brb
[08:31:28] <janrinok> np
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[08:32:22] <charon> ok back, or still here
[08:32:36] <janrinok> yep, I watched the fancy footwork
[08:33:22] <janrinok> has anyone talked you through the submissions and story pages yet?
[08:33:42] <charon> no, just what i've read in the wiki
[08:34:14] <janrinok> we can start whenever you wish but I might have to restart when fatphil joins us
[08:34:24] <janrinok> or you can leave it for another time
[08:35:10] <charon> another time. I should get to bed or I'll be grouchy at work
[08:35:19] <janrinok> fair point
[08:35:55] <janrinok> do you have fun-filled packed weekends or might you have a hour or two then?
[08:36:21] * janrinok hasn't really got a life, it's always groundhog day
[08:36:23] <charon> I appreciate your time, thank you very much.
[08:36:25] <charon> lol
[08:36:42] <charon> I work retail, so I don't have a weekend per se
[08:36:55] <charon> My days off are Monday and Thursday
[08:37:03] <janrinok> same as Bytram|away - he gets a day off during the week
[08:37:23] <janrinok> but running up to Christmas he is v busy all the time
[08:38:00] <charon> I'm usually up all night, so if you have any west coast or Aussie editors, their times would mesh with mine
[08:38:28] <janrinok> unfortunately not that I am aware of, certainly not of training standard anyway
[08:38:57] <janrinok> trainer* standard
[08:40:02] <charon> Well, I can figure something out, I hope. If we can set a time in advance, I can make space in my schedule
[08:40:46] <janrinok> oh, we can make it work, as long as I can plan ahead I can probably reschedule my activity times
[08:41:34] <janrinok> https://logs.sylnt.us - editorial logs is back up again
[08:41:36] <exec> └─ 13#editorial | Logs
[08:41:40] <charon> same here. but I don't want to be a burden
[08:41:53] <janrinok> ~tell TheMightyBuzzard - logs server back up - thanks to whoever fixed it
[08:42:19] <charon> wow, all the way back to the primordial days
[08:45:35] <charon> nice, browsing through monday's session with cmn32480
[08:54:20] <janrinok> sorry - I had to leave for a few minutes to help the nurse
[08:58:25] <charon> no worries
[08:58:54] <charon> i'm reading the log from onday, tons of info, plus a link to the greasemonkey script
[08:59:28] <janrinok> all good stuff
[09:00:02] <janrinok> but, as I say, there is a lot of chat and humour included which can make following the training a little difficult
[09:00:46] <charon> true, but i don't mind that. camraderie is all good, and i can filter it out
[09:01:01] <charon> the GM script is slick
[09:04:14] <janrinok> it makes things a lot easier
[09:06:36] <charon> ok, time to get some sleep. thank you again for your help
[09:06:48] <janrinok> a question for you to ponder. Imagine that you receive a comment to your Ballmer story saying that you have misspelt Ballmers name. How would you now edit the story? Are there any other things that you should do?
[09:07:06] <janrinok> get some sleep, we'll all be back here tomorrow.
[09:07:16] <charon> I have another minute for this though
[09:07:36] <janrinok> it will wait until tomorrow, let you have a think about it
[09:07:42] <charon> I'd check the story, then check source article to make triple sure I hadn't messed it up
[09:08:06] <janrinok> we'll assume that you HAVE spelt it incorrectly
[09:08:14] <charon> ok then.
[09:08:46] <charon> I think the best way would be to add an editor's not to the bottom of the story, but not change the story as originally published
[09:08:50] <charon> note
[09:09:25] <janrinok> that's the bit that I thought you might miss, but you didn't
[09:09:34] <charon> yay
[09:10:14] <janrinok> because the name is in the quoted part - and we do NOT change the quoted part - the correct action is to include [sic] after his name in the quoted part.
[09:11:32] <janrinok> you can edit from either the front page, or the story page, it makes no difference. You will end up in the same place. Once you have finished editing press the update button (there are 3 of them in various places) and in a few minutes it should have reached the front page
[09:12:07] <charon> so if it's misspelled in the source, we do not correct it; just [sic]. but if I screwed up in the title, then add a note to the end acknowledging my fault
[09:12:17] <janrinok> if YOU are the only editor on when such a thing occurs it is your job to carry out the edit - regardless of who processed it first
[09:12:35] <janrinok> yes, and making the correction if it was your fault
[09:13:07] <janrinok> we do not produce 2nd class editors - all editors have an equal say and can do the same jobs as each other
[09:13:54] <janrinok> have a good sleep!
[09:14:02] <charon> thank you, take care
[09:14:06] <janrinok> and you
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[09:16:05] <janrinok> FatPhil, ping ?
[09:32:58] <FatPhil> burp
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[09:34:47] <janrinok> how's things FatPhil ?
[09:35:01] <FatPhil> 11:34 and still in bed :|
[09:35:13] <FatPhil> is that good or bad?
[09:35:17] <janrinok> good for you
[09:35:47] <janrinok> it's probably not a nice day - it isn't nice here in France
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[09:36:11] <FatPhil> central heating isn't working properly, I'm camping under the duvet!
[09:36:36] <janrinok> sensible move - I take it you are using a small'ish device?
[09:37:34] <FatPhil> yeah. with a 46" screen
[09:37:37] <janrinok> lol
[09:38:28] <FatPhil> the convergence of TVs and monitors was the final step in tech that I was looking forward to
[09:42:05] <FatPhil> all my browser tabs are open in my laptop which is in the office,
[09:42:20] <janrinok> do you want to do any ed training with your current set up?
[09:43:42] <FatPhil> eventually, I will be doing it from this setup, this is my not-at-work relaxing place
[09:44:21] <janrinok> but if you are trying to stay warm under a duvet, is it something you think you can attempt :)
[09:45:05] <janrinok> we can wait until later today, or even the weekend if you would prefer
[09:45:30] <FatPhil> It's coming up to lunchtime, which means I'll head to the office soon.
[09:45:40] <janrinok> thought that might be the case
[09:45:46] <FatPhil> My trip to the pub was a little longer than I had planned last night
[09:46:00] <janrinok> don't tell me you have a stove and pans under the duvet too ...
[09:46:08] <FatPhil> I had a couple more 10% beers than originally planned.
[09:46:21] <janrinok> it happens
[09:49:08] <FatPhil> maybe I'll be up for some editorial training towards the end of the work day
[09:49:40] <FatPhil> you could give me a task to do, maybe, and I can get back to you when I've had a stab at it?
[09:54:11] <janrinok> have you seen the wiki about editing ?
[09:54:49] <FatPhil> I did read some of that, but my concentration was waning yesterday afternoon
[09:56:32] <janrinok> it's very dry and not really a riveting read. However, if you plough your way through that while having the sub editing page open you might begin to grok how it all fits together. Once you have done that someone (me) will talk you through the process at your own pace.
[09:57:45] <janrinok> much of it only makes sense when you actually begin to edit stories, so pick something from dev and just play with it. Don't worry about breaking the system - that is what it is for.
[09:57:51] <FatPhil> I did have a stab at editing a sub after reading what I did read
[09:58:29] <janrinok> it sounds as if you are already at the one-to-one stage, and I should be available this evening if that helps?
[09:59:07] <FatPhil> sure thing
[09:59:35] <janrinok> after a day or two it becomes almost second nature - like all things a bit of practice goes a long way
[10:01:23] <janrinok> Once you reach the stage where you are unlikely to break things, i.e. when you are comfortable, we can run through a few simple subs and then transfer you to the main system.
[10:02:30] <janrinok> you can read the wiki until you are blue in the face but, at the end of the day, most of your real learning happens at the sharp end :)
[10:44:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, musta been the good fairy that fixed it. i was asleep.
[10:45:26] <janrinok> well, as long as we have a good fairy on the site, I'll keep sending the messages to you and let them pick them up :)
[10:47:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> solid plan
[10:48:31] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[10:58:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite Hephaestus
[10:58:30] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[10:58:44] <MrPlow> #fite Hephaestus falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[11:37:15] <NotSanguine> cmn32480: Thanks for checking me and the feedback. Sorry for the delay in responding, I had to step away
[11:37:37] NotSanguine is now known as NotSanguine|abed
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[12:44:27] <FatPhil> In https://dev.soylentnews.org are rows 1 and 3 supposed to be different colours? There's something kinda different about them, but I can't be sure. Yes, I'm a dichromat.
[12:44:30] <exec> └─ 13- Dev.SN User
[12:44:48] <FatPhil> ah, those colours are probably specific to my login
[12:45:18] <FatPhil> anyway, the non-reds
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[12:52:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, in the SoylentNews theme (the red one you get as AC on the main site) one is red and one is green
[12:52:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm too lazy to check all the themes though
[12:53:49] <FatPhil> background: #ff6;
[12:54:19] <FatPhil> vs background: #66ff79;
[12:55:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can prolly do up a "my ass is colorblind" theme if it's going to be an issue going forward
[12:55:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> or takyon could include something to fix it up for ya in his userscript
[12:56:17] <FatPhil> if there's informatoin in the colour, then I'm not going to receive it.
[12:58:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, just a little css work then
[12:58:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're good with red/blue, yeah?
[13:00:07] <FatPhil> yup
[13:00:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight
[13:00:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> using the SoylentNews theme?
[13:00:45] * cmn32480 reads a metric shitton of backscroll since 11pm last night
[13:02:10] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard: OMG PWNIES
[13:02:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh okay
[13:02:37] <FatPhil> but that's just he default
[13:03:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, i think base.css covers most of the themes. could probably edit that and confuse the crap out of everyone for a day or two
[13:04:02] <cmn32480> FatPhil - the colors signify 3 things
[13:04:09] <FatPhil> SHIT! I just accidentally said "OMG PWNIES" on the work IRC channel :(
[13:04:09] <cmn32480> 1) stories you queued
[13:04:28] <cmn32480> 2) Stories that somebody ELSE posted that need to be second edited
[13:04:37] <cmn32480> 3) Stories that have been secdond edited
[13:04:45] * cmn32480 giggles
[13:05:02] <FatPhil> Selecting vt220 theme changed nothing :/
[13:05:07] <cmn32480> green
[13:05:38] <cmn32480> I hate that theme... for some reason it drives me nuts
[13:06:41] <cmn32480> buzzard... copy a theme and change the css... don't screw up everybody
[13:08:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, muhahahahaha!
[13:09:14] <CoolHand> me uses vt220 theme for daily use on site...
[13:09:17] <FatPhil> I don't mind there being a red/green colourblind theme
[13:09:18] <CoolHand> oops /
[13:09:34] <FatPhil> I'll use a different theme for dev and live
[13:09:47] <FatPhil> I'm vt100 on live
[13:10:08] <FatPhil> easiest on the eye for me. I hate dark on light. Screens are not pieces of paper.
[13:10:32] <CoolHand> oh, yeah, vt100 is what I am.. I haven't tried the 220
[13:10:39] <CoolHand> sorry coffee not kicked in yet
[13:10:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, give a look at dev and see if that'll do for training purposes
[13:10:56] <FatPhil> it seems like sometimes the changes don't kick in immediately
[13:11:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> for live i'll do up a theme of your own
[13:12:44] <FatPhil> The yellow and green haven't changed, only the red. The yellow and green were the problem.
[13:12:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> now ya tell me
[13:13:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, i can fix that
[13:13:09] <FatPhil> 14:53 < FatPhil> background: #ff6;
[13:13:13] <FatPhil> 14:54 < FatPhil> vs background: #66ff79;
[13:14:41] <FatPhil> just making the yellow paler would probably work, #ff9 or #ffa
[13:15:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i swear to fuck, ima get me an editor one of these days and get them to tell me what all them colors mean then put a legend on that page.
[13:15:36] <cmn32480> Green - Seconded
[13:15:46] <cmn32480> Red - Posted by someone else and needs seconded
[13:15:54] <cmn32480> Yellow - Posted by you and needs seconded
[13:15:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> better?
[13:16:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> gray?
[13:16:52] * cmn32480 hands TMB new crayons
[13:17:02] <cmn32480> try not shoving these up yer nose, please
[13:17:10] * TheMightyBuzzard begins eating them
[13:17:26] <FatPhil> I can tell the difference betweem them, even if I can't put a name to the colours!
[13:17:27] * cmn32480 awaits the rainbow poop
[13:17:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> good nuff
[13:17:42] <cmn32480> ~rainbow poop
[13:17:43] <exec> 00,02p00,06o00,04o00,07p
[13:18:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll just add that to admin.css and let everyone have pale yellow since it's still yellow.
[13:19:48] <janrinok_afk> ~gday cmn32480
[13:19:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh gray is no display
[13:19:50] * exec proverbially writes a fanfic featuring a triply-linked list of young-earth creationism about cmn32480
[13:19:56] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok_afk
[13:19:58] * exec inadequately offers a sacful of social justice to janrinok_afk
[13:20:01] <cmn32480> oh yeah
[13:20:03] <cmn32480> forgot that one
[13:20:48] <cmn32480> you have bbeen a busy beaver janrinok_afk
[13:21:01] <janrinok_afk> yep - I have
[13:21:23] <cmn32480> good... I can't be doning all the work around here
[13:21:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, janrinok_afk, either of yall have a problem with making the yellow paler for all admins or you gonna make me write FatPhil up his very own theme?
[13:21:50] <janrinok_afk> so fortunately you do very little...
[13:21:52] <cmn32480> WE prolly ought to write a Colorblind theme
[13:22:03] <cmn32480> dielectric?
[13:22:09] <cmn32480> dichromastic?
[13:22:14] <cmn32480> dicromatic?
[13:22:17] <cmn32480> somethign like that
[13:22:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> die
[13:22:23] <janrinok_afk> ~nick janrinok
[13:22:30] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[13:22:35] * cmn32480 passes janrinok a slash
[13:22:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, yer doin it wrong
[13:22:50] <janrinok> I've used all mine ...
[13:22:53] * TheMightyBuzzard slashes janrinok
[13:23:06] <cmn32480> #sammich TheMightyBuzzard
[13:23:06] * MrPlow sneaks up behind TheMightyBuzzard and cuts their throat
[13:23:06] * MrPlow fixes thinly sliced TheMightyBuzzard's corpse sammiches for everyone in #editorial
[13:23:06] <janrinok> damn, look at the blood on the floor ....
[13:23:18] <cmn32480> I took care of him for ya
[13:25:32] <cmn32480> janrinok - I read some of the backscroll from yesterday... well done, sir!
[13:25:48] <janrinok> yesterday or this morning?
[13:25:52] <cmn32480> both
[13:26:00] <janrinok> oh, OK
[13:26:06] <cmn32480> for you this mornign is my yesterday as I was still asleep
[13:27:48] <janrinok> I'm losing track on who has done what with our new volunteers. But, one the plus side, if they all stick around we can get away with posting 1 story a day each!
[13:27:51] <CoolHand> janrinok always does things well
[13:28:07] <cmn32480> not true
[13:28:14] <janrinok> thank you CoolHand
[13:28:17] <cmn32480> he gave himself a haircut... that dont' go very well
[13:28:37] <CoolHand> haha pics?
[13:28:41] <janrinok> I always give myself a haircut in rl
[13:28:57] <cmn32480> that explains why you spend so much time on line
[13:29:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, that change is merged into master and will go to live next time we update the site.
[13:29:27] <cmn32480> 6-9 months from an indefinite point in the future
[13:29:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[13:30:35] <janrinok> my internet connection today is crap - I can't reach the site again.
[13:30:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually, i may annoy NCommander to get my pulls merged and roll it out soon unless paulej72 thinks he can find the time to get his stuff done.
[13:31:05] * cmn32480 pushes the site closer to janrinok so he can reach it
[13:31:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, weird... you're reaching irc
[13:31:27] * cmn32480 suggests spell check
[13:31:37] <janrinok> yep, but my message to you this morning seems like it is caused by something closer to home
[13:31:51] * cmn32480 checks backscroll again
[13:32:05] <janrinok> just keep getting 'server not found' and similar
[13:32:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> dns issues then
[13:32:17] <janrinok> I wonder if there is a DDoS going on somewhere?
[13:32:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't be a problem for irc since you never disconnect
[13:32:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> possible. you on linux or winders?
[13:32:53] <cmn32480> janrinok - I do NOT have delete privs
[13:32:54] <janrinok> linux
[13:33:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> host soylentnews.org
[13:33:10] <cmn32480> and I will gladly help charon as much as needed
[13:33:30] <janrinok> and it is not just the site. imgur.com is also flaky
[13:33:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, you can't delete stories on dev?
[13:34:03] <cmn32480> not from the story queue
[13:34:06] <cmn32480> only subs
[13:34:10] <janrinok> I thought that you did...
[13:34:18] * cmn32480 does not want to be entrusted with that sort of power
[13:34:23] * TheMightyBuzzard hereby promotes cmn32480 to uber-ed on dev
[13:34:29] <janrinok> np - I'll just keep sending them to the beginning of time
[13:34:46] <cmn32480> bytram can, mrc, and a few others.
[13:34:46] <janrinok> well sort yourself out then!
[13:35:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> thar, now you can train proper
[13:35:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can still be a noob on prod but you need powah on dev
[13:35:39] <janrinok> you have successfully chosen urine and blood combined for the new colour Buzz
[13:36:07] <cmn32480> what themer are you guys using to see these new colors?
[13:36:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> un-themed. just changed admin.css
[13:36:32] <sea> We don't get much stuff posted on dev..
[13:36:39] <cmn32480> I'm in OMG PWNIES... and they haven't changed
[13:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> on dev?
[13:36:56] <janrinok> chillax on dev
[13:36:58] <cmn32480> it's a test server Sea... so that shoudln't be very surprising
[13:37:40] <janrinok> things only get posted to dev when we post them ourselves for a specific purpose. Do you want some more stories to play with?
[13:38:25] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard, how easy would it be to copy submissions from prod to dev on demand?
[13:38:33] <cmn32480> I'll take your owords for it...
[13:38:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> um, kinda hard
[13:38:39] * cmn32480 sees no real differeence
[13:39:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, have your eyes checked. the yellow is definitely lighter.
[13:40:18] * cmn32480 will ahve to look on prd vs dev
[13:40:18] <janrinok> I'm going to have to reboot my router to see if I can shock it into action - might be away for a bit
[13:40:30] * cmn32480 passes a new 9Volt to janrinok
[13:45:42] <janrinok> hello
[13:45:58] <cmn32480> goodbye
[13:46:25] <cmn32480> you say yes.. I say no
[13:46:31] <janrinok> got imgur, but not the site yet
[13:46:31] <cmn32480> you say stop... I say go go go!
[13:46:52] <janrinok> you say goodbye, and I say hello
[13:47:07] <cmn32480> you say hi... I say low
[13:47:11] <cmn32480> anyway
[13:47:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> jan, i can dump you 15k subs from prod if you like but pulling them between has to be done manually right now.
[13:47:27] <cmn32480> I may be young.. but I know the classics
[13:47:55] <cmn32480> jebus... that'd be a hella sub queue
[13:47:56] <janrinok> can you dump them into the held queue?
[13:48:05] <janrinok> and perhaps not all of them
[13:48:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, subs are different from stories
[13:48:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, how many would you like?
[13:48:23] <janrinok> 100 for now
[13:48:31] <cmn32480> not all from P666
[13:48:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> kay. lemme figure out how.
[13:48:36] <cmn32480> that'd be too easy\
[13:48:44] <janrinok> no rush - have you finished yet?
[13:48:51] <cmn32480> done yet TheMightyBuzzard ?
[13:48:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, you'll get what you get and like it!
[13:49:06] * cmn32480 makes sure to gerab the lube
[13:50:20] <janrinok> I can get to dev, but I can't reach the site. and my connections are as flaky as hell
[13:50:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> funkay.
[13:50:52] <janrinok> I can also get to this side of the pond, but not yours
[13:50:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly a different route. our servers aren't located in the same physical locations
[13:51:04] <cmn32480> hell woud provide enough heat to bake a good flaky crust
[13:51:43] <janrinok> which reminds me - I have to bake a loaf of bread today...
[13:52:25] <FatPhil> nah - makea pizza base instead
[13:52:29] <janrinok> I think I have ended up in Hell, living in France but no decent internet connection
[13:52:45] <janrinok> FatPhil, that's tomorrow night
[13:53:30] <janrinok> perhaps the French are having problems recording everyone's internet traffic... That'll teach 'em
[13:53:48] <sea> Problems recording internet traffic? Shit
[13:53:54] * sea rushes to the datacenter to figure it out
[13:54:04] * sea gives janrinok a thumbs up for alerting
[13:54:07] <FatPhil> can you download the internet onto a floppy for me?
[13:54:26] <sea> Pfft, I get that often. Hold on, I have last week's internet right here
[13:54:32] * sea hands over a floppy disk
[13:54:35] <sea> Be careful with it
[13:54:58] <sea> I need that disk back so I can write this week's internet on
[13:55:03] <sea> We could only afford one disk
[13:56:05] <janrinok> managed to get back on the site...
[13:56:13] <cmn32480> for now
[13:56:18] <janrinok> but for how long? no-one can say
[13:56:44] * janrinok decides to celebrate by having a cup of tea
[13:58:08] * cmn32480 passes the booze
[13:59:29] <janrinok> one does not ruin good tea by adding booze - perhaps a little salt water for old times sake, but never booze
[14:00:20] <cmn32480> will you ruin crummy tea by adding booze
[14:00:25] <cmn32480> ?
[14:00:26] <janrinok> I love how #soylent is filled with people fite'ing and wishing each other gday!
[14:01:05] <cmn32480> it's a different beast
[14:01:09] <janrinok> one would never buy crummy tea, that is reserved for biscuits
[14:01:28] <cmn32480> so you buy crumby biscuits?
[14:01:38] <janrinok> often
[14:02:20] <janrinok> my favourites are milk chocolate hobnobs - but you will not have then on your side of the great wetness
[14:02:27] * cmn32480 makes additional notes in janrinok's file
[14:04:43] * janrinok notes that cmn32480 is planning to send me presents for Christmas
[14:05:23] <cmn32480> the crumbs off the biscuits.. maybe
[14:05:36] <janrinok> anyone want any training? excluding cmn32480 who needs it but doesn't want it
[14:05:42] <cmn32480> although, I suppose if I address it to Janrinok, France... you prolyl shoudl get it
[14:06:00] * cmn32480 removes janrinok from his chritmas card list
[14:06:01] <janrinok> just don't send anything perishable
[14:06:14] <cmn32480> the kids shoudln't perish in the journey.
[14:06:24] <cmn32480> I'll put airholes and food and a hamster bottle in the box
[14:06:39] <janrinok> what do they want a bottle of hamster for?
[14:07:04] * janrinok wonders at the ingenuity of 'muricans
[14:07:24] <cmn32480> #smake janrinok
[14:07:24] * MrPlow smakes janrinok upside the head with an ugly stick
[14:07:35] <janrinok> ouch - again
[14:07:46] <cmn32480> hmmm.. he got better lookikng.. that simply won't do
[14:07:59] <janrinok> that was almost inevitable
[14:08:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg, yall been adding subs to dev while i was doing this
[14:08:44] <janrinok> I haven't
[14:08:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> something has
[14:09:04] <cmn32480> no me chief
[14:09:18] <cmn32480> the couple fr4om Arthur are from 6 hours ago
[14:09:46] <janrinok> yesterday
[14:10:05] <janrinok> cmn32480, has lost a day
[14:10:24] <cmn32480> and his mind
[14:15:55] <janrinok> cmn32480, help me with my lack of editing knowledge. When NC, for example, begins one of his epic stories, does he make a sub first and then promote it, or is there a quick way of starting a story another way?
[14:16:17] <janrinok> I feel I'm missing something in this area
[14:16:29] <paulej72> there is a new story command from the admin pages
[14:17:04] <janrinok> ah, straight from the top admin menu
[14:17:10] <paulej72> yes
[14:17:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ok, apparently we've designed the submissions table in such a way as it's a huge pain in the ass to import from one db to another unless you want to drop all the current subs.
[14:17:31] <paulej72> sorry I have not been arrond, i had a cold and was brain numb
[14:17:35] <janrinok> never used that - I've always had a sub to play with
[14:18:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, s'okay. we saved all the work you missed for you.
[14:18:21] <janrinok> nice to hear that you are better (?) and glad to see you back here where you belong. Buzz has been claiming that he has been waiting for you because he has no work to do
[14:18:57] <paulej72> yeah, I have a bit of coding todo, but my motivation has up and gone missing
[14:19:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i have work to do it's just making it harder for pj to catch up everything more i do.
[14:19:41] <janrinok> we have been inundated with volunteers to be editors after cmn32480's pleading story a few day ago. 10 people waiting to be trained
[14:20:04] <paulej72> even at work i have been working on a important poject that has me working with Autocad rather than my normal computer setup and mainteance routiens
[14:20:53] <janrinok> I see you have recently graduated from cmn's school of typing too
[14:21:44] <janrinok> was it fun working with autocad?
[14:22:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, well that added a few to the queue
[14:23:07] <janrinok> on dev?
[14:23:16] <paulej72> not too bad, after i learned the Autocad way. I am only doing 2D drawings though. no 3d or projections. I was designing parts for an experiment in our teaching lab that is getting an upgrade.
[14:23:59] <janrinok> sounds interesting
[14:23:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> there we go, dev has 144 now.
[14:24:53] <janrinok> thx TMB
[14:24:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[14:25:14] <paulej72> we started building it during the summer of 15, but it required more machined parts than we had time to build to get it ready for the Spring 16 semester.
[14:25:16] <janrinok> I think I might move some of them to 'Hold' before the new trainees have a fit!
[14:25:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, let em have a fit
[14:25:46] <paulej72> So we had to continue working on it this summer.
[14:25:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> they need subs not stories in hold
[14:26:16] <janrinok> paulej72, and you expect it to be finished when?
[14:26:24] <paulej72> February
[14:26:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> brutal
[14:27:16] <janrinok> well, it's nice to have an end in sight
[14:27:22] <paulej72> the final functional bits will be ready by next week
[14:27:53] * TheMightyBuzzard steps out for nicotine
[14:28:11] <paulej72> it is not like I am spending 100% of my time on this, but it is nice to have something different to work on.
[14:28:30] <janrinok> that's a good selection of stories TheMightyBuzzard - some almost current and some going back ages
[14:28:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, ima see if i can save you some headache/time and get NCommander to read through some of the simpler pull requests n merge them
[14:29:11] <paulej72> ok
[14:29:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> will leave the insanely complex one for you though cause i know you lurve them.
[14:29:50] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard is getting soft as the months roll by
[14:30:11] * TheMightyBuzzard looks down at his gut and decides to do some sit-ups
[14:30:46] <sea> I love sit-ups!
[14:30:48] <sea> Crunches are more fun
[14:30:51] <paulej72> my body does not bend that way anymore
[14:30:53] * sea does 7 crunches, then collapses
[14:30:58] * sea groans
[14:31:06] * sea suffers
[14:31:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's about the only exercise i can do anymore. most of the rest of my bits don't put up with the strain of exercise well
[14:31:49] <janrinok> too much implied detail
[14:32:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> bad shoulder, bad knees
[14:32:58] <janrinok> and the in between bits?
[14:33:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh they're fine but try doing anything besides sit-ups/crunches without putting strain on your shoulder or knees
[14:34:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> skateboarding was not my friend
[14:34:19] <janrinok> I'm now pouring bleach into my eyes
[14:34:50] <janrinok> can you still board?
[14:34:52] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders off for a smoke to celebrate a job well done
[14:41:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> technically yes but either me or the skateboard is going to break.
[14:41:49] <janrinok> lol - hopefully it will not be you
[14:42:14] <janrinok> best you continue to battle with the keyboard
[14:42:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed
[14:45:56] <cmn32480> sorry.. the day job got in the way of my IRC'ing
[14:46:16] <janrinok> np - we were only insulting you as usual
[14:46:40] <janrinok> got 100 new subs on dev for the guys to play with!
[14:48:08] <cmn32480> woot
[14:52:00] <janrinok> I've sent user messages to those who've put stories onto the story page giving a few pointers. (goodie, snow, charon) They seem to have got the hang of the interface so I have asked them to try a full story with correct layout. Just so you know where we are in the training.
[14:52:06] <janrinok> cmn32480, ^
[14:52:16] <cmn32480> 10-4
[14:52:54] <janrinok> I haven't talked through the interface yet with FatPhil so I'll let him have a bit more time to play with it
[14:57:26] <janrinok> Once they can produce an edited story, we need to make sure that they know how to decline a story with feedback to the submitter, how to correct a story that has already been released, and how to pull a story that shouldn't have gone out, etc
[14:58:17] <janrinok> Can you think of any more critical skills that they MUST have before moving on?
[15:06:33] <cmn32480> ability to cover so the 3 of us can take a vacation?
[15:06:41] <CoolHand> IMHO.. I think the technical side of things is pretty easy to grasp for most people that frequent our site.. I think more pointers on what to look out for concerning spam, slanted submissions, other things that readers crucify us for, would be pretty useful...
[15:09:19] <FatPhil> I'm bored of work, I can do some editorial stuff now if that's OK
[15:09:49] <janrinok> yep is good for me
[15:10:03] <FatPhil> Cool, let's fuck shit up!
[15:10:27] <CoolHand> haha.. gotta love the new editor's attitudes... :)
[15:10:48] <janrinok> FatPhil, I've pm'd you
[15:11:43] <cmn32480> same as ours and we been here 18 months Coolhand
[15:12:48] <cmn32480> janrinok - that prevents the rest of us from chiming in and confusing him!
[15:12:51] <cmn32480> you are NO FUN!
[15:16:52] <CoolHand> stodgy old Brit..
[15:17:20] <cmn32480> I was thinking crumbly
[15:38:28] <FatPhil> flaky?
[15:38:56] <cmn32480> like the crust on a good pot pie
[15:46:09] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard: new colours are good - thanks!
[15:46:33] <cmn32480> great.. you told him they work.. now he is gonna take them out
[15:47:03] * TheMightyBuzzard switches all the colors to #fff
[15:47:25] <cmn32480> black like his heart
[15:49:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> das rasis
[15:49:41] <cmn32480> not if it is an accurate description
[15:50:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> also incorrect on account of black would be #000 =P
[15:50:52] <cmn32480> funny how you color them all to the oppostie of your heart
[15:51:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> das rasis. why you gotta be keepin a heart down?
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[15:51:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> it dindunuffin
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[16:28:12] <FatPhil> are there rules regarding smart-quotes?
[16:32:03] <cmn32480> smart quotes?
[16:32:43] <cmn32480> FatPhil - what's the question, I'm not following
[16:33:04] <FatPhil> Do we prefer ASCII to newfangled unicode bollocks?
[16:33:17] <cmn32480> Ascii
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[16:33:34] <FatPhil> not trying to influence anyone with the wording of that question at all
[16:35:02] <cmn32480> lol
[16:49:46] <FatPhil> OK, I've had an attempt at editting a submission on dev.
[16:51:20] <cmn32480> epic fail?
[16:53:26] <FatPhil> you tell me!
[16:53:52] <cmn32480> was the merge already there or did you merge them?
[16:54:04] <FatPhil> I did a merge earlier
[16:54:09] <cmn32480> ok
[16:54:30] <cmn32480> <blockquote> is your firned
[16:54:41] <cmn32480> s/firned/friend/
[16:54:42] <exec> <cmn32480> <blockquote> is your friend
[16:55:14] <FatPhil> yeah, the merge isn't the one I actually "edited". I was just playing with the merge button
[16:55:27] <cmn32480> oh
[16:55:30] <cmn32480> well then
[16:55:42] * cmn32480 goes looking deeper
[16:56:03] <FatPhil> see the note I left for info on how much effort went into that one!
[16:56:17] <cmn32480> Atari?
[16:56:20] <FatPhil> yup
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[16:56:48] <cmn32480> ok
[16:56:50] <cmn32480> I'm in it.
[16:56:52] <cmn32480> give me a sec.
[16:56:58] <cmn32480> I will put thoughts in the ed notes field
[16:57:06] <FatPhil> thanks
[16:58:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> Can someone edit the "BLU Phones Secretly Sent Personal Data to China" to point out that the affected BLU phones were 120K out of potnetially up to 700M?
[16:58:52] <cmn32480> is that in the article?
[16:59:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> It's in this article: https://consumerist.com
[16:59:11] <exec> └─ 13Some Android Phones Might Be Sending All Your Texts To China – Consumerist
[16:59:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> And this one: https://consumerist.com
[16:59:46] <exec> └─ 13Some Android Phones Might Be Sending All Your Texts To China – Consumerist
[16:59:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> whoops, wrong link...
[17:00:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> http://www.androidauthority.com
[17:00:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> errr...shit.
[17:00:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yeah, it's in the article.
[17:01:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> Sorry, I got linked to the same info on three different sites, got confused about what was in which source.
[17:01:56] <cmn32480> it's in the SUMMARY
[17:02:01] <cmn32480> #smake AndyTheAbsurd
[17:02:01] * MrPlow smakes AndyTheAbsurd upside the head with a stack frame
[17:02:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> yeah I deserved that
[17:02:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> but the title makes it sound like 100% of BLU phones are sending data to China
[17:02:37] * cmn32480 shakes his head
[17:02:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> which does not appear to be true
[17:02:48] * AndyTheAbsurd poofs back to #soylent
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[17:04:55] <cmn32480> FatPhil - take a lookie at the notes
[17:05:04] <FatPhil> will do
[17:07:35] <cmn32480> questions?
[17:08:01] <FatPhil> nope, alle ist gutt
[17:08:16] * cmn32480 only speaks English
[17:08:23] <cmn32480> and only just manages that
[17:09:14] <FatPhil> ah, point 4, what should I have done?
[17:10:22] * cmn32480 goes to look at the notes
[17:10:54] <FatPhil> I've edited to fix the other 3
[17:10:55] <SoylentSnow> I have a question: What does this mean : in the blockquote - [...] <text> - no paragraph break
[17:11:24] <cmn32480> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[17:11:27] <exec> └─ 13Error
[17:11:35] <cmn32480> I added the text at the bottom under a double line
[17:11:42] <cmn32480> as an example
[17:11:43] <SoylentSnow> got it
[17:12:14] <cmn32480> make sense?
[17:12:26] <FatPhil> hahah- that's what I first did, and then I decided to do it the other way!
[17:12:54] <SoylentSnow> It certainly does with the provided example! Thanks.
[17:13:04] <cmn32480> if you look at most of the blockquotes we use on the site, if they pull from multiple spots in an article, that is how we do them
[17:13:10] <cmn32480> mostly it is an information density thing
[17:14:01] <cmn32480> it is far easier to see it with an example
[17:16:11] <FatPhil> In general, when there are just minor tweaks, would the reviewer just fix them himself?
[17:17:02] <cmn32480> the reviewer?
[17:17:06] <cmn32480> the guy who seconds?
[17:17:13] <FatPhil> yes
[17:17:41] <FatPhil> how does one "second" a storyA
[17:17:44] <FatPhil> ?
[17:17:56] <cmn32480> yes, we woudl normally just fix them. In this instance, you are learning, and it is far better for you to hear what the adjustments shoudl be and make them yourself than for me to fix it and say "Here, figure out what I did"
[17:18:36] <cmn32480> you open a story in the story queue (that has already been set for being sent to the front page) that you did NOT post, and edit it again.
[17:19:11] <FatPhil> So even if you think it's an abomination, it counts as seconding?
[17:20:12] <cmn32480> if it is an abomination, we will set to not display, put another article in it's place and come here to rant and rave about it until a consensus is reached.
[17:20:32] <cmn32480> depends what's realyl bad
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[17:21:25] <cmn32480> ~gday goodie
[17:21:26] * exec deliciously blows a smidgen of gasoline at goodie
[17:21:38] <goodie> ~gday cmn32480
[17:21:40] * exec cohesively piles a safe space of HP on cmn32480
[17:22:01] goodie is now known as SoyGuest77395
[17:22:18] <cmn32480> somebody dind't put their password in fast enough for nickserv!
[17:22:28] <SoyGuest77395> huh?
[17:22:48] <SoyGuest77395> what just happened to me?
[17:22:58] <SoyGuest77395> /msg NickServ help
[17:23:06] <FatPhil> how do you decide who does what next?
[17:23:42] <cmn32480> no space at the beginning of the line
[17:23:47] <cmn32480> what do you mean?
[17:24:21] <cmn32480> as far as moving to prod? or who seconds? who drops the next batch of crap in the queue?
[17:24:41] <cmn32480> s/crap/wonderfully esubmitted and edited articles/
[17:24:43] <exec> <cmn32480> as far as moving to prod? or who seconds? who drops the next batch of wonderfully esubmitted and edited articles in the queue?
[17:25:13] <FatPhil> cmn32480: all that
[17:25:39] <cmn32480> if there are stories in the queue that need seconding - do it
[17:25:54] <cmn32480> if the story queue needs some help - do it
[17:26:09] <cmn32480> moving you to production - janrinok_afk is the only one making that decision
[17:26:09] <FatPhil> that's racey
[17:28:53] <FatPhil> Can the stories page distinguish between stories that have actually been posted and ones that haven't
[17:31:26] <FatPhil> stories that have gone out and stories that are in the queue are very different beasts.
[17:32:24] <cmn32480> that is all by time
[17:32:55] <FatPhil> Even splitting the table into past and future would be useful
[17:33:30] <cmn32480> generally, you are not going to be concerned with stuff that has already gone out, unless it needs a second
[17:33:31] <FatPhil> Or adding a column that says "3 days ago" or "in 80 minutes"
[17:33:49] <FatPhil> so stuff can go out without a second?
[17:34:01] <cmn32480> it can.. though we prefer that it not
[17:34:15] <cmn32480> it happens
[17:35:11] <cmn32480> oh
[17:35:18] <cmn32480> title case: Atari to Enter the IoT Market
[17:35:31] <cmn32480> vs: Atari to enter the IoT market
[17:35:45] <FatPhil> I edited that
[17:35:57] <cmn32480> FatPhil - normally we are adding to the end of the story queue and may be 12 hours or more out
[17:36:06] <cmn32480> then it hasn't updated on the page yet
[17:36:21] <cmn32480> did you save it?
[17:36:48] <FatPhil> must have just done preview with no update
[17:36:54] <cmn32480> it dind't update. probably because there are 14 of us in that story
[17:37:00] <cmn32480> :-)
[17:37:09] <SoyGuest77395> I just like to watch
[17:37:43] <cmn32480> voyeuristic editing....
[17:41:07] * FatPhil -> home
[17:41:53] <cmn32480> ~gnight FatPhil
[17:41:54] * exec abnormally flings a floccinaucinihilipilificator of chew spit at FatPhil
[18:15:57] <cmn32480> FatPhil - the Atari story looks very nice with the adjustments. Well done :-)
[18:16:03] <FatPhil> ah, smoked turkey...
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[18:16:53] * janrinok notes that he has been called crumbly, flaky and other undeserved names in his absence, he glares at cmn32480
[18:17:41] <janrinok> FatPhil, good work, after changes implemented. And they are still doing that to mine too ...
[18:23:36] <cmn32480> undeserved?????
[18:23:38] <cmn32480> really???
[18:23:44] <cmn32480> Undeserved??????
[18:24:00] * cmn32480 notes that janrinok might be reality challenged
[18:24:32] <janrinok> well, a bit undeserved
[18:24:51] * cmn32480 notes that janrinok might be a bit reality challenged
[18:25:13] <cmn32480> How's S doing today?
[18:25:21] <cmn32480> getting her strength back?
[18:26:03] <janrinok> she's much better than she was a week ago. Still not as strong, but that might take several months to recover. When the immune system stops playing - shit gets serious
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[18:27:04] <janrinok> But we have managed to have a laugh at least once a day, and she is enjoying herself much more that she was only a few days agoi
[18:27:12] <cmn32480> excellent
[18:27:38] <cmn32480> I';m sure watching your gyrations trying to manage 4 pugnacious editors and a dozen new recruits is fodder for giggles
[18:27:46] <janrinok> are you still limping, or are you ready to go out and hurt yourself again?
[18:27:55] <cmn32480> little of both actually
[18:27:58] * AzumaHazuki waves "pugnacious editor" badge :D
[18:28:05] <AzumaHazuki> i'll be professional, i promise
[18:28:15] <cmn32480> nononononononononono
[18:28:31] <cmn32480> the folks on staff EARNED that "Pugnacious" title!
[18:28:42] <cmn32480> you woudl fall under new recruit
[18:28:51] <AzumaHazuki> sir yes sir *salute
[18:28:53] <janrinok> we don't give these accolades away lightly you know
[18:29:07] <cmn32480> s/accolades/insults/
[18:29:13] <cmn32480> janrinok: s/accolades/insults/
[18:29:15] <exec> <cmn32480> <janrinok> we don't give these insults away lightly you know
[18:29:26] <AzumaHazuki> cmn32480: that's what SHE sed
[18:29:36] <janrinok> we've also earned the titles incompetent, uneducated and overpaid
[18:29:48] * cmn32480 always assumes that exec was a he...
[18:30:01] <cmn32480> and pugnacious
[18:30:04] <janrinok> Oh, shouldn't I be proud of all the names that the community keeps calling me?
[18:30:11] <cmn32480> bafoonish, illiterate
[18:30:11] * AzumaHazuki is sure as hell not getting called "overpaid" anytime soon...
[18:30:37] <cmn32480> speelingly challenged
[18:30:51] <janrinok> well, that is your own particular niche
[18:31:21] <cmn32480> I can typo with the best of them!
[18:31:27] <janrinok> and you do!
[18:31:37] <janrinok> frequently
[18:31:39] <cmn32480> yeah.. the rest of the editorial staff
[18:32:08] <janrinok> any more of the new guys appeared for more abuse yet?
[18:33:05] <janrinok> we might be able to get a couple up and running on prod by the weekend if things go well. They will still need hand-holding but it is not an impossibility
[18:33:21] <cmn32480> agreed
[18:33:40] <cmn32480> no additionals other than AzumaHazuki who has jsut arrived.
[18:33:46] <janrinok> It just means that one of the current qualified eds needs to be around just in case
[18:33:49] <SoyGuest77395> btw figuring out a dept line is tough, is there an auto generator of some sort ;) ?
[18:34:07] <AzumaHazuki> i'm good at this sort of thing...always was a good writer
[18:34:07] <janrinok> unfortunately not - it is not something I enjoy doing
[18:34:08] <cmn32480> SoyGuest77395 - yes. it resides between your ears
[18:34:10] <AzumaHazuki> speaker, not so much
[18:34:44] <janrinok> cmn32480, are you running with AH? I haven't got the name on my list
[18:35:18] <AzumaHazuki> I only asked if they needed more editors like 2 days ago, and was never in here before
[18:35:24] <cmn32480> running??? really??? with my ankle???
[18:35:35] <cmn32480> YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!
[18:35:40] <janrinok> well, that doesn't automatically debar you AH
[18:36:39] <AzumaHazuki> I write well, though, and can maintain "professional demeanor" even though featherface up there is pretty sure i can't =P
[18:36:42] <cmn32480> given that AH just got here, this si the first I've heard. the comments on the page were a fair bit of back and forth w/ TMB
[18:36:46] <CoolHand> SoyGuest77395: it is my understanding that dept line is not stricly required, (although we usually try to include it), so if you absolutely can't figurue one out... can also leave a note for person 2ndi'ing and maybe they can figger one out
[18:36:52] <janrinok> I've got several (4/5?) under training at present so I'm pretty maxed out - but give us a few more days and we might be able to catch up with ourselves
[18:37:22] <cmn32480> AzumaHazuki - what's your actual available time?
[18:37:44] <AzumaHazuki> usually midnight to 2 AM CST/CDT, though I can sometimes make it in in the afternoone, as now
[18:37:50] <cmn32480> I know from what I saw in the comments that you are workign 2 jobs, and some other really worthwhile stuff regarding anti-humna trafficing (if I remember right)
[18:37:56] <AzumaHazuki> yes
[18:38:01] <janrinok> SoyGuest77395, can you change your nick to something that is a bit closer to your real nick - I've got several SGs showing at the moment?
[18:38:14] <AzumaHazuki> i also consume enough caffeine to give sonic the hedgehog an aortic aneurysm, so...
[18:38:17] <cmn32480> go to goodie_
[18:38:24] <SoyGuest77395> yep just need to look up the command, I had registered a nick yesterday
[18:38:36] <cmn32480> /nick <nick>
[18:38:41] <janrinok> ah, thanks goodie
[18:39:00] SoyGuest77395 is now known as goodie
[18:39:22] <janrinok> excellent, that helps descramble my pitifully powered brain
[18:39:33] <goodie> test
[18:39:36] <goodie> woot!
[18:39:48] <janrinok> yes test, we hear you
[18:40:09] * cmn32480 waits for nick serv to rename him again
[18:40:31] <janrinok> I was just thinking the same thing :)
[18:41:14] <cmn32480> AzumaHazuki - my only concern would be stretching yourself too thin. Burnout sucks. I've been there, and so have others here, and we like to encourage people to avoid it.
[18:41:34] <cmn32480> but if you wanna give it a go, we will happily run you through
[18:41:44] <cmn32480> the training, not with a sword
[18:42:55] <AzumaHazuki> thanks for clarifying that :D
[18:43:09] <AzumaHazuki> if it helps i have a bunch of Linux/BSD experience
[18:43:30] <janrinok> your expertise might be useful, but essentially we are here to process other peoples stories, not our own. We don't get to choose what we cover. I wouldn't want you to start training under a misapprehension.
[18:43:48] <AzumaHazuki> i figured, yes. that makes it easier on me actually
[18:44:16] <cmn32480> that is a point I forgot to make with the rest of the NKOTB
[18:44:18] <janrinok> Happy to give you a try then, but it might be a few more days before we can dedicate significant time to you.
[18:44:42] <AzumaHazuki> sure, no rush :)
[18:45:01] <AzumaHazuki> oh, call me Hazuki, or Marissa. "Azuma" would be the surname here
[18:45:42] <janrinok> you will get called all sort of things I'm afraid, but we will try to be reasonably polite
[18:45:44] <cmn32480> pick a nick, and register it w/ nickserv for IRC purposes, please
[18:45:53] <cmn32480> speak for youreself
[18:45:56] <AzumaHazuki> already done
[18:46:02] <cmn32480> excellent
[18:46:06] <cmn32480> what is your UID?
[18:46:12] <AzumaHazuki> 5086 IIRC
[18:46:30] <cmn32480> did you create an account on dev.soylentnews.oeg yet?
[18:46:41] <janrinok> that just rolled off , and she then followed it with IIRC!
[18:46:58] <AzumaHazuki> i don't think i did yet -- have to go do that
[18:47:00] <cmn32480> mine is 443 and I am certain IRC
[18:47:08] <AzumaHazuki> 443 is https, not irc
[18:47:14] <cmn32480> smartass
[18:47:22] <janrinok> you don't even remember what your name is some days...
[18:48:07] <AzumaHazuki> huhhh...i never knew there was a dev.soylentnews.org domain. need to make a new account or can i use my existing one?
[18:48:21] <janrinok> Does Hazuki get shortened to anything?
[18:48:24] <cmn32480> create a new one
[18:48:41] <cmn32480> your account isn't in the old DB dump that it has
[18:48:48] <cmn32480> that topped out at lik 4400
[18:49:06] <cmn32480> once that is done, we will get TMB to give you ed privs
[18:49:35] <janrinok> then you learn the secret handshake, and get half of the password to our log den
[18:49:52] <AzumaHazuki> janrinok: not usually. You can't end a Japanese syllable on any consonant but N, so...
[18:49:54] <cmn32480> secret handshake comes when we let them on prod
[18:50:08] <cmn32480> brb
[18:51:26] <cmn32480> sstupid day job
[18:53:20] <janrinok> how did the nick Marissa come about?
[18:53:40] <janrinok> sorry - just being nosey. Tell me to clear off if I am asking too much
[18:54:09] <AzumaHazuki> okay, done
[18:54:13] <AzumaHazuki> Marissa is my actual name
[18:54:59] <janrinok> yep, I've just discover the Anime link
[18:55:09] <janrinok> discovered*
[18:55:14] <AzumaHazuki> time-jumping lesbian at your service *bow
[18:55:24] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard, please give AzumaHazuki (UID 4061) ed privs on dev, please.
[18:55:33] <janrinok> welcome - you might come to regret your decision
[18:55:38] <AzumaHazuki> seriously, Carnelian or whoever was rooting through my head for plot ideas. and character design.
[18:55:48] <cmn32480> but that is one helluzvan introduction!
[18:55:57] <AzumaHazuki> the "real" hazuki looks soooo much like me it's not funny. I'm taller, heavier, and have glasses and brown eyes
[18:56:00] <AzumaHazuki> but otherwise, wow
[18:56:15] <AzumaHazuki> jeez, i even sound a lot like her
[18:59:19] <cmn32480> AzumaHazuki - once the buzzard wakes up and makes the change to give you ed privs on dev, we can start.
[18:59:46] <cmn32480> I'd suggest looking at the #editorial logs from the last few days to get a handle on the interface.
[19:00:09] <cmn32480> the logs from 11/14 start at around 9am, not sure about time from yesterday.
[19:00:22] <cmn32480> Loggs can be found here: Loggie
[19:00:30] <cmn32480> Loggie
[19:00:40] <cmn32480> silly bot.
[19:01:36] <AzumaHazuki> huh, lxterminal doesn't have an "open URL" menu option...
[19:01:45] <AzumaHazuki> xfce terminal does but they've gone GTK3 ><
[19:05:39] <AzumaHazuki> I swear the entire GTK world is pushing me closer and closer to Plasma every day
[19:05:58] <AzumaHazuki> once 5.9 drops with proper global menu support I am gone like campaign promises in late January
[19:10:15] <goodie> You sure you want her to read the logs? You know people might change their mind after that. Mind you, it might help make sure you have a good fit ;)\
[19:10:55] <AzumaHazuki> too late. i'm almost done with the one from 14 Nov
[19:11:00] <AzumaHazuki> i read very very very fast
[19:15:09] <cmn32480> it is the first challenge
[19:15:24] <cmn32480> but a lot of it won't make sense until she looks at the interface on dev
[19:16:04] <AzumaHazuki> it can't be any worse than the mysql> command prompt...riiiight? D:
[19:16:20] <cmn32480> nah.. it is slightly better than that
[19:16:25] <cmn32480> but it does require JS
[19:16:51] <goodie> I dunno, sometimes a prompt is better because it's a single place to enter stuff. the site on the other hand.. :D
[19:17:09] <cmn32480> the term you are looking for is clusterfuck goodie.
[19:17:41] <AzumaHazuki> ugh, ECMAScript...
[19:17:46] <AzumaHazuki> the only actual code I know is a little C
[19:18:00] <cmn32480> welcome to the club
[19:18:04] * cmn32480 is NOT a coder
[19:18:06] <AzumaHazuki> ...i can write a console program which swears at you. the swears are hardcoded as i have not figured out file i/o yet :(
[19:18:42] <AzumaHazuki> took a C 101 class in college, got as far as linked lists and promptly forgot the lot
[19:19:13] <cmn32480> exec uses that, but it is all from file I/o
[19:19:19] <cmn32480> ~gday AzumaHazuki
[19:19:20] * exec covertly pits the last copy of the truth against AzumaHazuki
[19:19:40] <AzumaHazuki> you want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH
[19:19:54] <cmn32480> nope.. that's why I live in a bubble
[19:20:01] <cmn32480> and own guns
[19:20:04] <cmn32480> and eat red meat
[19:20:25] * AzumaHazuki thinks her positions on guns and such would surprise several people who think they have her pinned down...
[19:20:51] <AzumaHazuki> basically, i get called liberal and i'm more of a left-libertarian than anything
[19:20:53] * cmn32480 doesn't care a lick what your positions are.
[19:21:08] <cmn32480> a left-librarian... amazing
[19:21:24] <AzumaHazuki> no, no, Lilith and Hatsumi are the librarians. though Hatsumi doesn't do her damn job
[19:21:43] * cmn32480 hears a very loud WOOSHing sound
[19:23:32] * janrinok is feeling terribly lost ...
[19:23:56] * cmn32480 hands janrinok a map
[19:24:30] * janrinok looks at blank page, then tries turning it over
[19:24:42] <cmn32480> upside down, buddy
[19:26:37] * janrinok pretends it was always the right way up, but slowly turns it the correct way ...
[19:27:37] * cmn32480 notes that the paper moved but the image didn't
[19:29:16] <AzumaHazuki> mischief unmanaged :D
[19:41:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you're all dev-powered up. have fun breaking stuff.
[19:42:11] <AzumaHazuki> muhuwahahahahahahaaa~!
[19:42:18] <AzumaHazuki> ...i mean, thanks, i'll behave
[19:43:14] <janrinok> you have a toolbar at the top of each page, concentrate on 'Stories' and 'Submissions' along with your wiki link - you have got the wiki link haven't you?
[19:43:44] <AzumaHazuki> not yet, no. i'm going to eat the wiki before attempting to actually change anything
[19:43:54] <janrinok> https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[19:43:57] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[19:44:25] <janrinok> it is a very dry read - don't try to absorb it in one sitting unless you suffer from insomnia
[19:44:44] * cmn32480 passes the tumbleweed salad
[19:46:03] <janrinok> just found a submission that was supposedly about Facebook but links to Trump forming his government. Can't decide if it was a genuine mistake or an attempt to get something past us
[19:46:13] <janrinok> 2nd from bottom currently
[19:46:32] <cmn32480> checking
[19:47:06] <cmn32480> coudl be either one
[19:47:54] <janrinok> the link clearly states that it is about Trump, so I find it a bit suspicious. However, it isn't going anywhere.
[19:50:26] <AzumaHazuki> man, there's all sorts of creepy nepotism and mafia-style internal politicking going on, on that score
[19:50:28] <janrinok> cmn32480, pm for you
[19:50:54] <AzumaHazuki> i am Sicilian enough to recognize the La Famiglia dynamic when i see it (yes, despite being a van Eck)
[19:52:40] <janrinok> I'm going to be stacking soon, had a long day. Story queue is good for 12 hours
[19:52:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, http://www.wsj.com
[19:52:56] <exec> └─ 13Facebook Says It Found More Miscalculated Metrics - WSJ
[19:53:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's the proper link
[19:53:17] <cmn32480> I'll kick the queue janrinok
[19:53:20] <cmn32480> no worries
[19:53:25] <AzumaHazuki> janrinok: it's going to be a couple days before i feel confident enough to actually touch anything live. wanna make sure i get this all...
[19:53:41] <cmn32480> it's gonna be more than a couple days. :-)
[19:54:21] <AzumaHazuki> okay, so long as you guys aren't hurting too badly for active editors i'm going to take my time absorbing the wiki
[19:54:29] <janrinok> np - do it in your own time and at your own pace. Normally we would walk you through it but be are pleased by the response that we have had for volunteers.
[19:54:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly bad copy pasta unless it happens again
[19:54:34] <cmn32480> we aren't going to unleash a boatload of new editors on the site all at once.... it woudl be ugly
[19:54:50] * TheMightyBuzzard heads over to fluorine and starts handing out privs
[19:55:17] <cmn32480> that sounds reasonable buzzard
[19:55:33] <janrinok> thx for the link
[19:55:37] <AzumaHazuki> oh, the servers (VPSes?) are named after elements, right?
[19:55:40] <cmn32480> take your time. We are here to answer questions.
[19:55:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup yup
[19:56:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> somewhere on the wiki there's a list of what they're named and what they do but i keep losing it.
[19:56:29] <AzumaHazuki> my setup's usually been planet names
[19:56:43] <AzumaHazuki> ...okay, sailor-senshi names, but they're called after planets anyway so
[19:57:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i normally go with Trek ship names. never run out of those as long as i don't go over a hundred or so boxes on the network.
[19:58:27] <janrinok> I use capital cities
[20:03:44] <janrinok> Hazuki - dev isn't live. dev is just a server that we use for testing and training. It is actually slightly ahead of the main server because it has some new software under test running on it.
[20:04:42] <janrinok> nothing that you do on there should reach the real world - and you shouldn't be able to break it by using the interface. Do not be intimidated by it.
[20:04:52] <janrinok> AzumaHazuki, ^
[20:05:39] <AzumaHazuki> okay, good to know :) thanks
[20:05:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> and don't play with my bewbs (this will make sense later)
[20:06:16] <AzumaHazuki> i believe i get the reference already from reading the logs
[20:06:28] <janrinok> time for me to go
[20:06:35] <janrinok> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[20:06:36] * exec casually experiences 40 gallons worth of cheese with TheMightyBuzzard
[20:06:39] <janrinok> ~gnight cmn32480
[20:06:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight janrinok
[20:06:41] * exec prematurely inserts a scrote of lube into cmn32480
[20:06:42] * exec presumably liberates a fat32 volume of tofurkey from janrinok
[20:06:49] <cmn32480> ~gnight janrinok
[20:06:51] * exec explicitly runs the Installshield Wizard to set up a tower of the Gilligan's Island theme song for janrinok
[20:06:51] <janrinok> ~gnight #editorial
[20:06:53] * exec defiantly terrorizes a pair of used panties full of cheddarwurst with #editorial
[20:06:55] <cmn32480> my best to S, please
[20:06:57] <janrinok> ~gnight jimbob
[20:06:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheese > tofurkey
[20:06:59] * exec unnecessarily shoves a recycle bin of materia in jimbob
[20:07:15] <janrinok> cmn32480, will do, thx. And mine to J too please
[20:07:21] <cmn32480> I shall, sir
[20:08:52] <goodie> ~gnight those leaving, I'm signing off for now, might be back a bit tonight
[20:08:54] * exec skeptically hucks a linked list of your grandmother's queefs at those
[20:09:21] janrinok is now known as zz_janrinok
[20:09:34] <cmn32480> ~gnight goodie
[20:09:36] * exec romantically formulates an amulet of male privilege for goodie
[20:09:38] <cmn32480> c-ya later
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[23:54:23] <charon> Holy cow; a ton of new submissions to practice with on dev. Thanks, TheMightyBuzzard
[23:56:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yarp. enjoy