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[23:29:09] <SoylentSnow> s/ward/warm
[23:28:56] <SoylentSnow> Allright ladies, I'm out for the day. I've kept my seat at work ward for the alltted time. I've read the wiki link that was sent, as well as the Story Style sections. Seems pretty sreight forward, but I'll keep practicing in dev for a while. g'nite
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[22:09:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm off reading a book. ping repeatedly if you need anything and none of the eds are handy. i'm not an ed but i can fake like i know what to do pretty well.
[22:04:27] <SoylentSnow> I don't blame you. I'm not volunteering to update it :P
[22:03:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a pretty shitty interface IMO but none of us dev types have been motivated to jump into the javascript necessary to make it better.
[22:03:53] <SoylentSnow> ahh yes, much better
[22:02:39] <SoylentSnow> Oh.... I guess that's what the -^- means? I just though it was so they stood out. I'll try that!
[22:02:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly though i think you can put the nexus and topic both in between them
[22:02:02] * TheMightyBuzzard makes no promises though
[22:01:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoylentSnow, try above them not under
[21:57:46] <SoylentSnow> So, what is the -^-Topic-^- Section of the list used for.
[21:57:18] <SoylentSnow> Question: When editing a story, there is a Topics listbox. In that listbox, there is -^-Nexus-^- and -^-Topic-^-. When should each be used. I assumed that 'Main Page' would be used under Nexus (unless breaking news...) and then Topic would exist under Topic, but when I tried that, it didn't appear that the topic was assigned correctly. When I added the topic under the nexus header, things worked as expected.
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[21:03:21] <cmn32480> mostly the "No Crisis" part
[21:01:37] <cmn32480> and we are very thankful for both of thsoe things
[21:01:01] <NCommander> cmn32480, it helps I practice fairly hands off management. Can't micromanage volunteers. The only time I get into "you will do X" is in crisis situation which is very rare for us these days and generally acceptable
[21:00:31] * NCommander is too lazy to look it up
[21:00:26] <NCommander> UID 22
[20:58:23] <cmn32480> somethign like that
[20:58:20] <cmn32480> Barabas
[20:58:10] <cmn32480> Barrabas
[20:57:55] <sea> Huh. Does that have anything to do with the island of Barbados?
[20:57:34] <sea> His name is Barbadas?
[20:57:22] <cmn32480> and the sailing has been nominally smooth ever since
[20:57:01] * exec abnormally ships a C cup of social justice with cockroach
[20:56:59] <cmn32480> ~gday cockroach
[20:56:57] <NCommander> sea, short version was that the staff basically couldn't work effectively under Barbadas, I forced a vote of no-confidence, drama happened, and ended up project leader
[20:56:24] <NCommander> Meta is relatively recent addition to the site when we added Nexuses
[20:56:16] <NCommander> sea, its not in meta, search the Soylent topic back in 2014
[20:54:53] <cockroach> hi
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[20:40:02] janrinok is now known as zz_janrinok
[20:39:54] * sea runs
[20:39:52] <sea> oshiii
[20:39:49] <sea> chromas: No! Don't tell him that!
[20:39:44] <chromas> he's not registered on irc
[20:39:40] <chromas> nah, he doesn't have that power
[20:39:28] <janrinok> well, that's me banished then ....
[20:39:25] * exec buttmagically piles a dongle of rainbow on janrinok
[20:39:23] <cmn32480> ~gnight janrinok
[20:39:10] * sea sobs
[20:39:05] * sea rips open a hole in spacetime, then kicks janrinok into it. "I BANISH YOU!"
[20:38:46] * exec fanatically cracks open a quart of disagreement for sea
[20:38:44] <janrinok> ~gnight sea
[20:38:32] <janrinok> ~gbye sea
[20:38:24] <janrinok> bye sea
[20:38:15] <sea> ciao
[20:38:09] <janrinok> OK, I'm out of here. Tomorrow guys
[20:37:31] <sea> Dont. Snort. The Spider.
[20:37:15] <janrinok> now you tell me!
[20:36:53] <sea> You eat it.
[20:36:44] <janrinok> you smoke some funny shit
[20:36:31] * sea hands TheMightyBuzzard a plastic bag containing some dead spiders
[20:36:16] <janrinok> l8r's Buzz, I've got to go
[20:36:13] * sea unzips a backpack
[20:36:02] <sea> Yo TheMightyBuzzard
[20:35:26] * TheMightyBuzzard fucks off to call his drug dealers
[20:35:09] <janrinok> but I got a 25% increase this year, so I got that going for me ...
[20:34:35] <janrinok> of course, during training it is much less than full-rate
[20:34:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> but you won't notice
[20:33:44] <janrinok> your*
[20:33:35] <janrinok> poor maths like that will adversely affect you editor's pay
[20:32:55] <janrinok> you don't remember 8 either
[20:32:31] <chromas> in the old days, ciri would count with you
[20:32:24] <sea> :(
[20:32:17] <sea> I count 1,2,3,4,5,6,9,10,...
[20:32:07] <sea> I never learned to count the number 7
[20:31:51] * janrinok realises his education is obviously lacking in many departments
[20:31:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> what're you, spallsheurgeson now?
[20:30:46] * Cmn32480_phone pills out the paddle
[20:30:27] <chromas> doesn't work with pants down
[20:29:39] <janrinok> not the 'old notebook down the trouser' trick?!
[20:28:44] * chromas covers his butt for the spanking
[20:28:39] <chromas> oh shit
[20:28:03] <janrinok> chromas, you are in line...
[20:27:53] <janrinok> added a few more stories to the queue
[20:27:46] * chromas prepares to tell him off
[20:27:26] <janrinok> I'd better be going before I get told off!
[20:26:44] <janrinok> better than usual
[20:25:45] <cmn32480> and I probably spelled most of ti right
[20:24:45] <cmn32480> my fingers have done far more typing on IRC than anywhere else today
[20:24:34] <cmn32480> blessedly so
[20:24:26] * janrinok thought it was quiet
[20:23:49] * cmn32480 notes that bytram is still hiding
[20:23:49] <sea> Right. Back to work for me. Gotta dance and un-recursionate these functions
[20:23:28] <cmn32480> correct
[20:23:16] <janrinok> but they are not all active on every channel
[20:22:52] <cmn32480> the bots are very handy once you learn their commands
[20:22:36] <sea> Nifty
[20:22:17] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6407, owned by greenlentil
[20:22:17] <cmn32480> !uid
[20:22:15] <janrinok> it took a lot of work to get where we are, and NC has driven most of that
[20:22:13] <cmn32480> !uid\
[20:22:04] <Cmn32480_phone> it was. all kinds of drama... and I was just a user at that point
[20:21:50] <sea> What's the max uid right now?
[20:21:26] <sea> Didn't look like a rocky road to me..
[20:21:06] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders out for a smoke
[20:21:02] <janrinok> it was a very rocky road at the beginning
[20:20:30] <Cmn32480_phone> sea go back to the very beginning and read it. All public. even the irc logs
[20:20:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, however you spell it, that guy
[20:19:47] * Cmn32480_phone passes the soap
[20:19:47] <janrinok> pandora's box creaks open
[20:19:45] * sea scans through the meta stuff
[20:19:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> barbarus?
[20:19:31] <sea> Who was that first guy?
[20:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's the one who made it work in the first place. not the initial "hey, we should..." guy
[20:19:20] <Cmn32480_phone> and out comes the dirty laundry
[20:19:06] <janrinok> not quite, but he has been here from the start
[20:18:47] <sea> Isn't NCommander the one who started SN in the first place?
[20:18:46] <janrinok> ooh, we might regret that ...
[20:18:46] <Cmn32480_phone> sorry am on a support session with a vendor and he has control of my pc
[20:18:32] * sea prods NCommander with a stick
[20:18:27] <sea> Bring on the NCommander
[20:18:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, copy pasta one of the how to write a dos tsr keylogger articles.
[20:18:17] <Cmn32480_phone> guaranteed to scare them off
[20:17:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[20:17:22] <janrinok> we ought to include one in our training stories for new eds!
[20:16:56] <Cmn32480_phone> only for us sea
[20:16:50] <janrinok> every time he touches a keyboard! Why use 1 word when 1000 will do?
[20:16:43] <Cmn32480_phone> not to mention heavy enough to give a concussion
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[20:16:21] <sea> NCommander writes novels?
[20:15:52] <janrinok> oh no! not an NCommander novel. That is inhumane and cruel treatment
[20:15:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> both of you, stay away from my codebase
[20:15:24] * MrPlow smakes janrinok upside the head with an NCommander novel
[20:15:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake janrinok
[20:15:23] <janrinok> ... and that was an example of it being used improperly
[20:14:58] * TheMightyBuzzard curses at sea. pauses. and then recurses at sea.
[20:14:46] <janrinok> recursion is alright when used properly, IMHO
[20:14:44] * sea splits into uncountably many copies of himself, then introduces each of himselves to all of the others
[20:13:53] <sea> Too much recursion
[20:13:46] <sea> The other devs call my code 'inception code'
[20:12:06] <janrinok> that made my eyes water
[20:06:24] * sea despromulates the frugglionator
[20:05:38] <janrinok> I'm just fruggling my spoticks
[20:05:27] <janrinok> I*'m just
[20:05:15] <cmn32480> on a webex w/ software support atm
[20:05:09] <cmn32480> thanks
[20:00:01] <CoolHand> that is my P.O.V also..
[19:59:33] <janrinok> cmn32480, that was good advice you gave to P666, by the way. He is currently more valuable as a submitter than as an editor, but I have no objection to him joining the team if he wishes
[19:53:13] <janrinok> yep - so what's new?
[19:53:02] <cmn32480> janrinok - you bastard
[19:51:12] * janrinok usually makes offers like that just before he leaves :)
[19:50:50] <sea> yep
[19:50:45] <janrinok> sea, if you have any questions, just shout out
[19:49:37] * janrinok thinks this guy fits in too well
[19:49:18] * sea licks cmn32480
[19:49:12] <sea> Again.
[19:49:11] <sea> I love to be drained.
[19:43:49] <cmn32480> that extra Tablespoon helped a lot
[19:43:35] <janrinok> cmn32480, you did a good job of draining sea ...
[19:41:33] <cmn32480> lol
[19:41:32] <janrinok> BBC voices, and adverts that are better than US programs
[19:41:11] <janrinok> with static and only 425 lines!
[19:41:01] <cmn32480> forgot you are still on black adn white radio
[19:40:59] <janrinok> well, that and my age
[19:40:49] <cmn32480> yes
[19:40:09] <janrinok> don't know that one - must be a TV thing
[19:39:53] <cmn32480> did you yell BAZINGA! after pressing enter?
[19:39:38] <cmn32480> ZING
[19:39:31] * CoolHand hides in the corner
[19:39:31] <janrinok> no, they appear quite competent
[19:39:22] <cmn32480> not me
[19:39:14] <janrinok> oh, someone is 2nd'ing as fast as I am editing
[19:38:38] <sea> OH GOD!
[19:38:35] <sea> Do stuff.
[19:38:34] * cmn32480 pluls the plug and drains the sea
[19:38:28] <sea> Be impolite. Lemme see
[19:38:20] * sea pokes cmn32480
[19:38:17] * sea prods cmn32480
[19:37:58] <janrinok> you've caught us on a polite day too
[19:37:55] <sea> I didn't just pop up out of the
[19:37:42] <sea> Yeah, I've seen in #Soylent
[19:37:30] <janrinok> things won't get any better here - we love to insult each other
[19:37:11] <sea> Thanks
[19:37:10] <sea> I was in a meeting. The other devs wanted to tell me how awful my code is.
[19:37:08] <janrinok> sea - good to have you join us
[19:36:56] <janrinok> my 2 tin cans and a piece of wet string doesn't help much
[19:36:45] <sea> Thanks, jan
[19:36:41] <cmn32480> yeah.. I guess your cord doesn't stretch that far
[19:36:16] <janrinok> ... and of course for Uber I would need a smart phone
[19:36:15] <CoolHand> bfe
[19:35:47] <CoolHand> the boonies...
[19:35:38] <cmn32480> tomato tomahto
[19:35:02] <janrinok> well, we call it rural
[19:34:54] <janrinok> yep
[19:34:50] <cmn32480> you live in the sticks
[19:34:47] <CoolHand> janrinok has such english sensibility... worrying about offending people offering him rides...
[19:34:46] <cmn32480> that's right
[19:34:39] <janrinok> Uber - here? doesn't exist in this part of France
[19:34:12] <janrinok> I knew him by sight, so he wasn't offended
[19:34:01] * cmn32480 is a touch surprised he didn't Uber it
[19:33:54] <janrinok> no but I did thank him profusely
[19:33:42] <CoolHand> did u take the lift?
[19:33:42] <cmn32480> be thankful it was miles!
[19:33:32] <janrinok> 1.6 times
[19:33:22] <cmn32480> just think how much further it woudl have been had you done it in kilometers
[19:33:17] <janrinok> actually got offered a lift when I was about 50 yards from my destination
[19:32:50] <janrinok> had a lot of thinking time while walking miles today
[19:32:28] <CoolHand> janrinok is full of 'em today..
[19:32:19] <CoolHand> lol.. yeah, that's a good one
[19:32:12] <cmn32480> touche...
[19:32:02] <janrinok> you have to pay for quality - which is why they have ended up with us.
[19:31:41] * cmn32480 doens't know if the budget has that kind of $$
[19:31:27] <janrinok> yeah, I saw that. Sent shivers down my spine!
[19:31:24] <cmn32480> there are potentially 4 of them...
[19:31:12] <cmn32480> and as a side note, TMB threatened to make me an admin on dev
[19:31:00] <janrinok> what rate are we starting the new guys on? Our rate - 10%?
[19:30:26] * cmn32480 demands a corresponding reduction in janrinok's editorial pay
[19:29:55] <janrinok> Just filled in my paperwork for the State Pension - which begins for me in January
[19:29:29] <cmn32480> so do I... technically it just migrated south... for the winter...
[19:29:27] <CoolHand> :)
[19:29:25] <CoolHand> I'll have to remember that for when I get 90...
[19:29:18] <CoolHand> haha, good one..
[19:29:10] <janrinok> still got a full head of hair. Keep it in a box under the bed.
[19:28:51] <cmn32480> nope.. yer hair left eons ago
[19:27:40] <exec> └─ 13Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers Needles And Pins - YouTube
[19:27:38] <CoolHand> http://www.youtube.com
[19:27:08] <janrinok> Hollies were 1960s - I think I have just blown my cover ...
[19:26:45] <CoolHand> still old though
[19:26:44] <janrinok> remake, what remake?
[19:26:34] <CoolHand> naw, the remake... Petty...
[19:26:25] <janrinok> The Hollies?
[19:26:21] <CoolHand> :)
[19:26:10] <janrinok> you are showing your age!
[19:25:58] <CoolHand> ...and so it begins.... needles and pins-ah..
[19:25:54] <cmn32480> if it was underground, I woudl have put it in a non-logged channel!
[19:25:41] <cmn32480> underground?
[19:25:34] <janrinok> and so it begins ...
[19:25:15] <CoolHand> haha
[19:25:12] <CoolHand> although to be fair, I didn't know that you were running some sort of covert underground operation here..
[19:24:14] <CoolHand> LOL, exactly :)'
[19:24:08] <cmn32480> says the guy who was tossing in his 2 cents at every turn
[19:24:06] <janrinok> you'll be next to be blamed CH
[19:24:05] <CoolHand> ;)
[19:24:03] <CoolHand> u can point here man.. I don't care if they fire me
[19:23:52] <CoolHand> somebody is good at finger pointing...
[19:23:21] <cmn32480> or credit... whatever
[19:23:11] * cmn32480 takes the lions share fo the blame
[19:22:59] <cmn32480> and my name is all over it
[19:22:48] <cmn32480> hoarding the good stuff no doubt
[19:22:42] * janrinok notes that cmn has so far blamed TMB and now bytram ...
[19:22:18] <janrinok> Unfortunately, it wasn't for me, otherwise it would have been something a little stronger ....
[19:22:05] <cmn32480> queue was sparse... and bytram and said WTH
[19:21:53] <cmn32480> we pushed it last night
[19:21:41] * cmn32480 notes that the translation of "pharmacy" is likely liquor store
[19:21:36] <janrinok> I didn't even know the story was out! But you wrote a good meta and it has started the ball rolling.
[19:20:45] <janrinok> If my world settles down, I should be good to start tomorrow pm sometime or Wednesday at the latest. If you have any spare capacity, or martyb/CH, we can walk them through and have a decision perhaps by weekend
[19:20:20] <cmn32480> then you dind't show up like planned (car trouble my ass).... and I got carried away
[19:19:54] <cmn32480> agreed
[19:19:52] <CoolHand> IMHO, the technical stuff is easy to grasp, it's the "other stuff" that's a bit trickier.. the preferred style, knowing what kind of articles, avoiding clickbait, etc, etc...
[19:18:42] <janrinok> then I'd suggest that we hand-hold them on a couple of stories to reinforce what they have learned.
[19:17:47] <janrinok> we'll let them play a bit first so that they find out what they can do, and what they don't understand
[19:16:25] * cmn32480 left the indepth stuff for janrinok
[19:16:17] * cmn32480 thoguht what he gave WAS the quick course...
[19:15:32] <janrinok> so I noticed - but at least they are set up on dev, have been given the quick intro, and (if we haven't put them off yet) they are ready to start a quick course
[19:14:43] <cmn32480> and TMB egged me on
[19:14:33] <cmn32480> thought it best to strike while the iron was hot
[19:12:27] <janrinok> intro*
[19:12:23] <janrinok> np - I just want them to read the most important docs so they know about the 'standards' that we are trying to maintain. Thanks for giving them the into
[19:11:29] <cmn32480> sorry if I usurped janrinok
[19:10:37] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[19:10:34] <janrinok> ~tell cockroach https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[19:10:28] <cmn32480> does that work for multiple peopel?
[19:10:26] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[19:10:24] <janrinok> ~tell SoylentSnow https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[19:10:17] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[19:10:09] <janrinok> ~tell sea, SoylentSnow, cockroach, https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[19:09:39] <CoolHand> yah..
[19:09:29] <cmn32480> the Editors page has the rest of the links on it
[19:09:05] <CoolHand> I think you gave wiki/Editors and jan put wiki/Editing_Process ...
[19:08:30] <CoolHand> cmn32480: that wasn't the exact URL u gave them I don't think..
[19:04:53] * janrinok spent a HUGE part of today walking to and from the shops, pharmacy and post office, which normally would have taken no more than an hour
[19:02:15] * janrinok notes the sounds of MASH starting on TV in the next room
[19:02:03] <cmn32480> ahhh
[19:01:58] <janrinok> got to plug the computer into something ...
[19:01:33] <cmn32480> golly arthur runs from a car now.. he IS pretty advanced for a pythgin script
[19:00:25] <janrinok> I'll run Arthur to provide some testing stories
[18:59:59] <janrinok> when I get my car back (tomorrow) I should be able to get back into the rhythm again
[18:59:57] <cmn32480> I thought it best to walk them through the interface on dev adn let them look at things
[18:59:44] <cmn32480> and I can' oly do so much
[18:59:32] <cmn32480> :-P
[18:59:22] <janrinok> yep, not at this very minute :)
[18:59:10] <cmn32480> but I'm at work
[18:59:01] <cmn32480> agreed
[18:58:35] <janrinok> I still think that we ought to hand-hold one-on-one for at least a story or 2
[18:57:52] <janrinok> sounds fair enough
[18:57:03] <cmn32480> told them to play adn ask questions
[18:56:55] <cmn32480> yep
[18:56:01] <janrinok> thks - I missed it
[18:55:51] <cmn32480> yes
[18:54:07] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[18:54:05] <janrinok> cmn32480, did you pass them this link? https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[18:49:40] <janrinok> I hope that was only a quick and dirty intro over the last few pages ...
[18:49:05] <janrinok> correction: you're forgiven, this time
[18:48:45] <CoolHand> yay.. I've been practicing my brown-nosing.. glad to see I'm getting better
[18:47:50] <janrinok> fair enough - you're forgiven
[18:47:34] <CoolHand> I only put down cmn.. :)
[18:47:31] <janrinok> it's no good trying to hide now CH
[18:47:17] <CoolHand> janrinok: notice I didn't take part in their delinquency
[18:47:16] <janrinok> a day like I've had, and I have to put up with people like this!
[18:46:55] <cmn32480> :-p
[18:45:33] <janrinok> I think you are all very rude to me!
[18:30:18] * cmn32480 passes a brace for the impending carpal
[18:28:08] <chromas> Deleting the clickstops from the wheel is the greatest thing I've ever done
[18:27:36] <cmn32480> his scroll wheel si starting to smoke
[18:27:10] <chromas> "I'm givin' it all she's got, captain! The little finger canno' take no more wheel scrollin'!"
[18:25:34] <cmn32480> we know you are old and kinda slow
[18:25:28] <cmn32480> take your time
[18:24:12] * janrinok is just trying to catch up with whatever has happened today
[18:23:31] <cmn32480> perhaps boring.. but not overly scary
[18:23:23] <cmn32480> I did ok
[18:18:54] <CoolHand> cmn32480 didn't even scare them off when he chatted with them.. pretty amazing
[18:18:36] <janrinok> thx - I'm still trying to catch up - been a busy day
[18:18:32] <cmn32480> I know... I was floored
[18:18:09] <cmn32480> w/ nicks
[18:18:04] <cmn32480> sent you an email
[18:17:53] <janrinok> wow
[18:17:48] <cmn32480> 4
[18:17:47] * exec sardonically hangs a trigger warning sign about a mouthful of mana on cmn32480
[18:17:44] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480 - still 2 volunteers?
[18:17:44] <cmn32480> see you in an hour or so
[18:17:32] * janrinok starts scrolling back ....
[18:17:31] * exec provocatively crams a lifetime supply of glowballs into janrinok
[18:17:29] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[18:17:16] <CoolHand> ah.. well, don't try to catch up on scrollback then... :)
[18:16:51] * exec romantically prepares an ntfs volume of totally legit parameters for CoolHand,
[18:16:49] <janrinok> ~gday CoolHand, nearly time for my bed, let alone be awake!
[18:16:21] <CoolHand> :) welcome janrinok
[18:16:17] <CoolHand> uh-oh... he's awake...
[18:16:02] zz_janrinok is now known as janrinok
[18:00:31] <chromas> Naked eating in the bathroom
[18:00:12] <chromas> Why not all three?
[17:59:49] <cmn32480> I think it was all the naked people
[17:58:54] <cmn32480> lol
[17:58:33] <chromas> That's why videophones didn't take off
[17:57:41] <cmn32480> that is my plan
[17:57:00] <chromas> eat during the call
[17:45:53] * exec insatiably spews a shoe of beer-brand beer on TheMightyBuzzard
[17:45:51] <cmn32480> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[17:45:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, pizza pockets are on their way to becoming a turd and i'm on my way to napland. back in a couple hours.
[17:44:38] <cmn32480> shit.. 17 min to suck down lunch before the next set of conference calls
[17:44:08] <sea> I typo all the time while on the command line! It's never caused me any prob#(*&$CANNOT FIND LIBC.SO
[17:43:57] * cmn32480 is blessed by simply being a peom
[17:43:43] <cmn32480> SoylentSnow - let me knwo if you ahve any questions.
[17:43:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> that and you don't have that kinda access, yep
[17:43:30] <cmn32480> as is evidence by his typoing
[17:43:20] * cmn32480 doesn't speak commadn line
[17:42:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i'd promote you to admin on dev but you'd still need to run three command line commands after promoting anyone to editor.
[17:40:56] <cmn32480> the log ought to make a lot more sense now
[17:40:42] <SoylentSnow> I can see the admin bar on dev now, thanks. I'll poke around!
[17:39:58] -!- cockroach has quit [Quit: back later]
[17:38:53] <cmn32480> tease
[17:38:08] * cmn32480 jumps!
[17:37:50] * TheMightyBuzzard pinches cmn32480's butt
[17:37:29] <cmn32480> 10-4 gay buddy
[17:37:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, doesn't. have him sign up on dev then give me the account name
[17:37:04] <cmn32480> we are gonna wait and see if once they play a bit they still wanna do it
[17:36:47] <cmn32480> though his acocunt is pretty new and may not exist
[17:36:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> hit up mechanicjay or audioguy later for email addresses and Deucalion for irc privs
[17:36:39] <cmn32480> can you do julian as well?
[17:36:33] <cmn32480> much obliged!
[17:36:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's hooked up
[17:35:36] <cmn32480> I deserved that
[17:35:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> lucked out, i'm chowing on some pizza pockets first
[17:34:55] * MrPlow smakes cmn32480 upside the head with a raw steak
[17:34:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake cmn32480
[17:34:21] <SoylentSnow> Okay, no worries. I'm at work anyways, so I can pop in and out pretty much all day. I might dissapear unexpectedly though...
[17:32:01] <cmn32480> SoylentSnow - janrinok is our current editor in chief
[17:31:48] <cmn32480> janrinok may try to get on a little later. he emailed me saying he was having car trouble
[17:29:52] <SoylentSnow> I see!
[17:29:43] <cmn32480> my typoing skills are famous
[17:29:27] <cmn32480> cmn typs fast and often without correcting hisself
[17:29:15] <SoylentSnow> haha, sounds good. The explanations are a little confusing without any context :)
[17:29:00] <cockroach> great timing indeed :)
[17:28:37] <cmn32480> SoylentSnow - we will get you set up on dev soon as TheMightyBuzzard wakes his ass up from a nap that lazy bastard
[17:28:10] <SoylentSnow> I just finished reading the chat log from today... cmn is a typing machine
[17:28:06] <cmn32480> your timing could NOT have been better
[17:27:53] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard,
[17:27:43] <SoylentSnow> sorry guys, my account name is Snow
[17:27:14] * cmn32480 sets a time for 15 minutes to start texting at random intervals
[17:26:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, yall on your own till a couple hours from now. going for a nap.
[17:05:45] <cockroach> haha
[17:05:19] <cmn32480> if you got questions we probably don't have the answer.. but we'll make up something plausible
[17:04:52] <cmn32480> np cockroach.
[17:04:40] <cockroach> cmn32480: thanks, will read
[17:00:23] * cmn32480 forgot they were there
[17:00:15] <cmn32480> sea and cockroach - check out the two links above for some additional guidelines and such
[16:59:57] <exec> └─ 13Editors - SoylentNews
[16:59:54] <cmn32480> https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:59:26] <exec> └─ 13Submission guidelines - SoylentNews
[16:59:23] <cmn32480> https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:45:39] <CoolHand> I'm pretty sure it's just "snow".. that's how he annouonced himself earlier and I checked out sn.org/~snow which seemed likely..
[16:40:52] <cmn32480> SoylentSnow - if we can get your account name, we cna get you set up on dev as an editor so you cna look through things
[16:39:21] * TheMightyBuzzard waits patiently
[16:37:18] <cmn32480> Thanks Bizz
[16:37:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoylentSnow, what's your account name?
[16:36:26] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard, please add SoylentSnow on dev
[16:36:09] <cmn32480> once you get access to the dev server, you should be able to look at the log adn follow along
[16:35:56] <SoylentSnow> okay
[16:35:47] <CoolHand> SoylentSnow: today, last hour
[16:35:41] <CoolHand> we have to do a lot of inane reading..
[16:35:16] <SoylentSnow> any date I should focus on?
[16:35:08] <SoylentSnow> that's a lot of reading, and I'm guesing most is inane
[16:35:00] <cmn32480> correct
[16:34:55] <SoylentSnow> okay, that link appears to be a full log of chat sorted by channel and day.
[16:34:54] <cmn32480> some stories take a few minutes, some take 20-30, it all depends on the quality of the sub
[16:34:18] <cmn32480> some require more worj than others
[16:33:59] <cmn32480> short version is that we are the ones who approve adn adjust the stories
[16:33:37] <cmn32480> that is the basics of the training I just went through
[16:33:31] <sea> oh, these are dates to select
[16:33:20] <SoylentSnow> I'll look at the link.
[16:33:15] <SoylentSnow> So what exactly does being an editor entail? I'm guessing basically approving stories and making slight adjustments to the text if needed. That and submitting stories as you come across them?
[16:33:07] <cmn32480> it is the text of what we have just done.
[16:33:02] <sea> No messages
[16:33:00] <sea> All I get are timestamps
[16:32:56] <sea> That's the most useless log I've ever seen
[16:32:53] <cmn32480> from today for the last hour or so
[16:32:25] <cmn32480> SoylentSnow - check the editorial log at the website above.
[16:32:16] <CoolHand> ..and normally may be encouraged, just not with new recruits.. ;)
[16:32:08] <cmn32480> Loggie
[16:31:56] <cmn32480> if that is the worst thing you do, you are doing a FINE job
[16:31:44] <cmn32480> is good
[16:31:35] <sea> anyways
[16:31:33] <sea> I might miss stuff sometims
[16:31:23] <sea> I don't get JOIN/PART notifications
[16:31:16] <cmn32480> :-)
[16:30:49] SoylentSnow` is now known as sea
[16:30:48] <SoylentSnow`> oh the original is here
[16:30:35] <cmn32480> sea - cutr it out
[16:30:27] <SoylentSnow> Who is this imposter?
[16:30:08] <SoylentSnow`> CoolHand: May I be an editor?
[16:29:57] <SoylentSnow`> CoolHand: I just got here
[16:29:50] <SoylentSnow> Oh, thanks. I'm at work now, but I usually have large breaks of boredom, so I though I could pitch in.
[16:29:49] <SoylentSnow`> hehehe
[16:29:07] <CoolHand> welcome snow... cmn has been training this morning, but doesn't have time now.. and I'm not sure I do either, but if you stay hanging out someone can probably work with you at some point..
[16:28:21] <CoolHand> I'm honestly nowhere near as good as cmn with all the IRC stuff...
[16:28:17] * cmn32480 had never used IRC before coming on staff
[16:28:16] -!- SoylentSnow [SoylentSnow!~4ac81ad4@540.04.038-02.q7.net] has joined #editorial
[16:28:03] <cmn32480> and remember.. if you have IRC questions, we can prolly answer them too
[16:27:50] <cmn32480> lol
[16:27:39] sea is now known as SoylentSnow`
[16:27:19] <CoolHand> scratch that. that was for you see
[16:27:07] <CoolHand> oops
[16:27:02] <CoolHand> SoylentSnow: somethin like that
[16:26:44] <sea> So you're as bright as said ox
[16:26:22] * CoolHand ain't real bright... but strong as an OX
[16:26:12] <CoolHand> I'll be in and out for the rest of day, can try to answer questions.. but not guaranteeing anything
[16:25:59] <sea> pfft, Pee during the phone call
[16:25:07] * cmn32480 has a phone call in 5 min and needs to pee first
[16:22:55] <cmn32480> others, may toake 20 or 30, depending on the content
[16:22:37] <cmn32480> some take 2 minutes to edit
[16:22:18] <cmn32480> I'll try to dump some actual subs from prod to the dev queue this afternoon for you
[16:21:36] <cmn32480> the bot subs require the most work
[16:21:25] <cmn32480> some require more cleanup than others
[16:21:19] <cmn32480> yes
[16:21:10] <sea> in a random thingie
[16:21:09] <cmn32480> and add a funny dept line
[16:21:07] <sea> Oh, and set the time to sometime after the latest time on the stories list in the sidebar?
[16:21:02] <cmn32480> yep
[16:20:54] <sea> So we basically just sit and watch the submissions, pick new ones, clean them up and stuff, and then hit save?
[16:20:40] * cmn32480 has 11 minnutes before he has to get on a conference call
[16:20:25] <sea> Hmm
[16:20:18] <cmn32480> any questions?
[16:19:42] <CoolHand> hah
[16:19:32] <cmn32480> thatnks
[16:19:25] <CoolHand> ~tell cmn32480 you are a butthead
[16:19:07] <cmn32480> next time that person talks, he delivers it
[16:18:57] <cmn32480> you then get a pm from exec saying that he saved the message
[16:18:35] <cmn32480> ~tell cmn32480 you are a butthead
[16:18:21] <cmn32480> the ~tell command works like this:
[16:18:15] <CoolHand> :D
[16:18:05] <cmn32480> lol
[16:17:59] <CoolHand> yeah, that's what was said last time and I could never hook up with them, and then eventually forgot..
[16:17:50] <cmn32480> or pj
[16:17:42] <cmn32480> talk to mechanicjay <--- Coolhand
[16:17:28] <cmn32480> talk to mechanicjsy
[16:17:25] <cockroach> :)
[16:17:12] <CoolHand> mine's never gotten properly setup... maybe when we get these guys setup, I can get mine... :)
[16:17:11] <cmn32480> also - the ~tell command will have exec leave us a message
[16:16:50] <cmn32480> mine woudl be cmn32480 at soylentnews . org
[16:16:31] <cmn32480> but we all have sn email addresses
[16:16:29] <cockroach> cool
[16:16:22] <cmn32480> IRC is the best way to get a hold of most of us
[16:15:57] <cmn32480> Collhand - most definetly
[16:15:46] <cmn32480> and here we watch the backscroll
[16:15:25] <CoolHand> big advice is grow a thick skin... can't take shite too personal...
[16:15:25] <cmn32480> the eds are generally available in this channel
[16:15:01] <exec> <cmn32480> play around in the interface.
[16:14:59] <cmn32480> s/terface/interface/
[16:14:52] <cmn32480> play around in the terface.
[16:14:37] <cmn32480> pretty much!
[16:14:25] <sea> So if I screw up and make a dupe, un-display it and someone will splat it
[16:14:21] <cmn32480> I'm not sying it don't happen... just that we dont' encourage it
[16:14:16] <cockroach> aye. i will do some wild clicking around later tonight on dev
[16:14:06] <sea> Right, okay
[16:13:58] <CoolHand> that's when I zeroed them out.. that's what I was told to do, but procedures apparently changed.. :)
[16:13:25] <cmn32480> I've done ti too
[16:13:18] <cmn32480> ^^^what he said
[16:13:07] <cmn32480> Bytram and mrcoolbp can delete stories from the story queue
[16:13:06] <CoolHand> I've accidentally created "the exact same sub" a few times after editing, hit backspace then save it again (instead of going in by clicing story)
[16:12:48] <cmn32480> you double click on save or hit F5 on the stories screen after posting a story, it'll happen
[16:12:21] <cmn32480> and I mean the exact same sub
[16:12:10] <cmn32480> for instance, if we post somethign twice
[16:12:02] <cmn32480> it is a good way to hide a story
[16:11:50] <cmn32480> set it for no display, and there are those above us on the admin chain that can actually delete stories
[16:11:39] <CoolHand> oh.. well, last I knew.. sorry
[16:11:29] <cmn32480> we try not to do that
[16:11:26] <cmn32480> ummmm
[16:11:15] <CoolHand> if you need to "delete" a story, u put all time and date fields with zeroes... that's a handy protip
[16:10:56] * sea hides his death ray. "Of course."
[16:10:36] <cmn32480> but we are gonna practice before we unleash you on the world
[16:10:27] <cmn32480> yes
[16:10:21] <cmn32480> so sea and cockroach, you guys have editorial privs on dev.
[16:10:20] <sea> So, same thing on prod
[16:10:14] <sea> okie
[16:10:02] <cmn32480> test his eyesite and patience?
[16:09:54] <CoolHand> it'll b good for him
[16:09:38] <CoolHand> lol
[16:09:33] <cmn32480> zz_janrinok is gonna shit when he has to read all this backscroll\
[16:09:31] <CoolHand> when finalizing, I like to do it with display off to make sure my time is right, then I'll go back in and turn display on.. (i sometimes have trouble with the times.. :) )
[16:09:24] <cockroach> thanks for all the explanations, that would have taken a while to figure out on my own
[16:09:04] * cmn32480 turns off the firehose for a moment to rest his fingers
[16:08:52] <cmn32480> that's the basics
[16:08:38] <cmn32480> hells yes
[16:08:33] <Bender> karma - preview: 1
[16:08:33] <CoolHand> preview++
[16:07:48] <cmn32480> that will post the story to the storys list
[16:07:29] <cmn32480> once you are satisfied with your changes, you click save.
[16:06:21] <cmn32480> ir any of the other bits and pieces.
[16:06:06] <cmn32480> are the <blockquote> tags in the correct place?
[16:05:53] <cmn32480> it also lets you look at the changes you made in the copy boxes to see what it is gonna look like
[16:05:33] <cmn32480> it will place the story in the time slot you've set, and you can see if adjustments are needed without actually saving to the story queue.
[16:05:01] <cockroach> :)
[16:04:55] <cmn32480> THE PREVIEW BUTTON IS YOUR BEST FRIEND!
[16:04:48] <cmn32480> let me repeat that
[16:04:42] <cmn32480> as you change things on the page, the release time, the intro copy, whatever. the Preview button is your best friend
[16:04:11] <cockroach> ah nice
[16:03:35] <cmn32480> this is where you can see where the story is gonna fall based on the time you put in the release time box
[16:03:07] <cmn32480> note the story admin slashbox on the right hand side
[16:03:03] <cockroach> indeed
[16:02:50] <cmn32480> as soon as you start doing stuff most likely
[16:02:39] <cmn32480> this is the interface where you spend most of your time as an editor
[16:02:39] <cockroach> looks reasonable so far. i'm sure more questions will come up eventually...
[16:02:22] <cmn32480> I have no idea what the media field is for
[16:01:48] <cmn32480> this is all the HTML behind the stories on the front page
[16:00:30] <cmn32480> 10-4
[16:00:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> text me if someone else wanders in needing ed privs on dev
[15:59:57] <cmn32480> finally!
[15:59:48] <cmn32480> with the brackets
[15:59:46] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders off to do other things
[15:59:43] <cmn32480> if you use the extended copy the last thing in the Intro ought to be [Continues...]
[15:59:24] <cmn32480> BINGO
[15:59:15] <sea> Ah, and the extended copy is the 'read more' stuff?
[15:59:07] <cmn32480> the intro copy is the summary that you see on the front page
[15:58:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> intro copy is the "above the fold" stuff
[15:58:50] <cmn32480> basically, we shoot for a random interval between stories
[15:58:35] <cmn32480> try to avoid releasing on the 0 and the 5
[15:58:19] <cmn32480> push stories at roughly 90 minute intervals, based on how full the queue is
[15:57:57] <cmn32480> Release time is where we lose stories most of the time
[15:57:34] <cmn32480> the comment status allows us to put a story out that does NOT allow community comments
[15:57:32] <sea> Intro Copy
[15:57:07] <cmn32480> sea - I believe you can, but I don't know that any of us ever have
[15:56:45] <cmn32480> unless you aree seconding a story, in whcih case it will have the originall publishing author's name
[15:56:43] <sea> I can set somebody else as the author?
[15:56:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless it's me. i authorize dick n fart jokes in such case.
[15:56:28] <cmn32480> the author should ahve your name in it
[15:56:14] <cockroach> aye
[15:55:51] <cmn32480> just be respectful on stories where somebody dies
[15:55:36] <cmn32480> personally, I like using a pun if possible, btu anythign funny quip, movie line, or whathaveyou will work
[15:55:08] <cmn32480> and if you put stuff in there, and use spaces, the field will auto replace them with dashes
[15:54:50] <cmn32480> the dept line is abotu the only place we get to be creative
[15:54:36] <cmn32480> the title is self explanatory
[15:54:02] <cockroach> haha
[15:54:01] <cmn32480> it's rather dry ain't it?
[15:53:57] <sea> sorry wrong chat
[15:53:53] <sea> sleepy
[15:53:44] <cmn32480> the 100% matching is when multiple people are in the story
[15:53:21] <cmn32480> a small feature, but it saves us a lot of grief
[15:52:08] <cmn32480> by unchecking that box
[15:52:02] <cmn32480> or - if we publish a dupe, and it gets picked up before it goes live, we can make it not go live
[15:51:37] <cmn32480> the editors volunteer story was in the queue for about a week before it wen out as we made changes and adjustments
[15:51:16] <cmn32480> for instance
[15:51:11] <cmn32480> the "Display" Checkcbox means that we can set the story to go out inot the queue, but make it not show up on the front page
[15:50:35] <cmn32480> unsigned, means that the story hasn't been seconded by another editor
[15:50:20] <cmn32480> sorry.. I'm trying to do my day job too!
[15:50:09] <sea> 100% matching with..?
[15:50:03] <sea> unsigned, [] display?
[15:49:33] <cmn32480> MOST stuff goes out under "The Main Page"
[15:49:04] <cmn32480> the editor volunteer call out that you two silly suckers responded to was under "Meta" becasue it pertains to the site
[15:48:38] <cmn32480> the election winner story from last week was under BReaking news
[15:48:27] <cmn32480> for instance
[15:48:22] <cmn32480> the nexus determines where the story shows up
[15:48:06] <cmn32480> Bewbs
[15:47:58] <cmn32480> Breaking News
[15:47:55] <cmn32480> Meta
[15:47:53] <cmn32480> Main Page.
[15:47:45] <cmn32480> the nexus is an idea from NC that divides the site by major topics
[15:47:44] <sea> it does two things?
[15:47:09] <cmn32480> the Nexus adn the topic
[15:47:05] <cmn32480> two sections to that topics box
[15:46:38] <cockroach> it does look a bit ... improvised. in a good way. :)
[15:46:25] * sea adds OS to the topic list
[15:46:17] <sea> okiay
[15:46:01] <cmn32480> remember... this is basically the original code from 1997
[15:45:32] <cmn32480> lol
[15:45:10] <sea> okie. Jesus this is ugly
[15:44:55] <cmn32480> JS is required for the editorial interface
[15:44:49] <sea> I was looking the wrong place
[15:44:41] * sea fiddles with noscript
[15:44:38] <sea> Oh
[15:44:24] <cmn32480> do you block all javascript?
[15:44:16] <cmn32480> after you clicked preview, you scorll down a bit into the meat and potatoes of the editorial interface
[15:44:13] <sea> Which topics box?
[15:43:46] <cmn32480> hehehe
[15:43:43] <sea> Topics..box?
[15:43:41] <cockroach> oh, unexpected
[15:43:10] <cmn32480> hit the + next to the box for topics
[15:42:48] <cockroach> aye
[15:42:01] <cmn32480> if you learn the interface first, then put that in, you'll appreciate it a lot more
[15:41:41] <cmn32480> to streamline things
[15:41:16] <cmn32480> adds buttons for lotsa stuff
[15:41:07] <cmn32480> takyon wrote it, and it makes editing a lot easier
[15:41:03] <exec> └─ 13Journal of takyon (881)
[15:40:54] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[15:40:54] <cmn32480> here is a link ot the grease monkey script
[15:40:22] <cmn32480> bytram is a QA God
[15:39:46] <sea> Bytram reminds me of Byrus
[15:39:33] <cmn32480> took me a couple weeks to get that figured out when I started
[15:39:30] <sea> I like bytram more
[15:39:23] <cmn32480> mine too
[15:39:13] <sea> My backwards-reading skills are flaky
[15:38:34] <cmn32480> Note: bytram on IRC is Martyb on the site
[15:38:16] <cmn32480> cockroach - it is a BIG help
[15:38:04] <cockroach> yeah, seems like a good way to do a bit of drive-by editing
[15:38:03] <cmn32480> as a side note, there is a GreaseMonkey script that Takyon has written that all the Eds except bytram use
[15:37:04] <cmn32480> opinions on the story as to whether is ought to get sent to the bin or a level of interest in the topic
[15:36:43] <cmn32480> original source links
[15:36:40] <cmn32480> corrected links get posted in there
[15:36:34] <cmn32480> sometime eds will read the story, find a problem, but not have time to fix it, and it gets noted there.
[15:36:16] <cmn32480> the ed notes field is a huge help to us
[15:35:58] <cockroach> nice
[15:35:49] <cmn32480> so any notes that were there will show here
[15:35:40] <cmn32480> that is the same field as the submission list
[15:35:29] <cmn32480> Scroll down adn you see the Editors notes
[15:34:32] <cmn32480> it is the "Story Preview"
[15:34:24] <cmn32480> the Top of the page is what it will look like on the main page
[15:33:17] <cmn32480> pleae join us so that we are all looikgn at the same story
[15:33:08] <exec> └─ 13The Lazarus Effect: Saved by Linux and Cash Converters: Dev.SN Submission
[15:33:06] <cmn32480> sea - cockroach and aI are in this one: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:32:47] <cmn32480> if you click "Preview" you go inot the real editing interface
[15:32:35] <cmn32480> you may decide that it is over you head, or you can add a dept line and do basic editing in that view
[15:32:15] <cmn32480> the promote to story box, is the first look at the submission
[15:31:44] <cmn32480> that is in the "Preview" page
[15:31:38] <cockroach> why am i always about 2 seconds slower than sea?
[15:31:37] <cmn32480> ok
[15:31:04] <sea> Uhh, what does Promote to Story do?
[15:30:23] <cmn32480> what question do you ahve?
[15:29:51] <cmn32480> you guys are already poking around in stories, whcih is good
[15:29:21] <cmn32480> that's the basic interface
[15:29:13] <cmn32480> so anway...
[15:29:12] * CoolHand has one, but doesn't really "use" it.. just for junk stuff
[15:28:54] <cmn32480> <---------
[15:28:43] <cmn32480> and at least one of us still does... .
[15:28:13] <sea> Maybe someone should submit a story to SN: At least one SN editor uses yahoo mail.
[15:28:13] <cmn32480> Phoenix isn't on staff
[15:27:55] <cmn32480> his is, yes
[15:27:47] <cmn32480> so where were we?
[15:27:43] <cmn32480> ok
[15:27:42] <sea> is that a yahoo email account?
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[15:27:01] <cmn32480> your contributions have been above and beyond, and are appreications
[15:26:54] <Phoenix666> ta!
[15:26:51] <Phoenix666> np
[15:26:48] <cmn32480> Thank you
[15:26:46] <cmn32480> I will.
[15:26:38] <Phoenix666> ok, will do. send me an email dakong27 at yahoo.com if you change your mind
[15:25:56] <cmn32480> Phoenix666 - I appreciate it. We will keep you in mind, but at this point, the queu has been pretty dry, and the biggest help is keep the stories submitting, please
[15:25:40] <sea> lol, carry on
[15:25:12] <Phoenix666> alright, well i can edit if you guys need me to. i'd probably still submit something, too, but probably not as much. half a dozen would probably be my daily rate
[15:25:12] <cmn32480> sorry I got distracted
[15:24:32] <CoolHand> cmn32480: do u need to get back to training? we don't want to interrupt you?? (unless Phoenix666 is going to jump in after all)
[15:23:52] <cmn32480> that happened ONCE!
[15:23:50] <CoolHand> those are the dark days
[15:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> and once in a blue moon you all take the weekend off and i have to push a story while panicking =P
[15:23:06] <CoolHand> by "some of us" he doesn't mean CoolHand :)
[15:22:45] <cmn32480> and occassionally some of us wake in the middle of the nite and do s'more becasue we can't sleep
[15:22:26] <cmn32480> generally we are able to get the queue stuffed to 8-9am eastern before bed
[15:22:02] <CoolHand> agreee with cmn32480 though.. will take what we can get
[15:21:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy's in oz but he'd be as ornery as me at it
[15:21:53] <CoolHand> I don't thnk it's requirement, but its nice someone can keep an eye on things in the middle of our night.. and us not have to worry about stuffing the queue b4 bed...
[15:21:40] <cmn32480> it'd be nice.. but I'm happy to have any volunteers at this point
[15:21:16] <Phoenix666> i'm pretty sure there are a couple aussies too
[15:20:59] <Phoenix666> Maybe it would be good to specify that in the story thread
[15:20:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok is in france but another european wouldn't hurt
[15:20:09] <cmn32480> FatPhil is Britain I think
[15:20:07] * cockroach is in europe but has a somewhat shifted sleep cycle
[15:20:00] <Phoenix666> He's in Scandinavia
[15:19:45] <Phoenix666> FatPhil?
[15:19:31] <CoolHand> we desperately need someone in europe/asia... (IMHO)
[15:19:23] <Phoenix666> he's got the eye for detail
[15:19:00] <Phoenix666> i actually think wonkey_monkey would make an excellent editor
[15:18:32] <CoolHand> I'd vote you keep submitting then.. :) it sure makes editing easier
[15:18:32] <Phoenix666> i've got a rhythm down with submitting, but if somebody needs to be spelled on editorial i can do that
[15:18:02] <Phoenix666> i figure i generally have 1-2 cups of coffee worth of time to do stuff in in the mornings
[15:17:38] <CoolHand> although nowhere near on their levels
[15:17:29] <CoolHand> and I occasionally submit something
[15:17:20] <CoolHand> well, it IS possible to do both.. takyon does..
[15:17:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Phoenix666, hells no. keep submitting. i'd rather edit than lose you as a submitter.
[15:16:50] <Phoenix666> mining the RSS feeds is easy
[15:16:35] <cmn32480> prolific and generally very good quality stuff
[15:16:35] <cockroach> nice to meet you
[15:16:27] <Phoenix666> *bows*
[15:16:07] <cmn32480> sea and cockroach - Phoenix666 is our all time top submitter.
[15:16:07] <cockroach> hi phoenix
[15:16:01] <CoolHand> I think you'd be welcome, but don't want to lose you as a submitter :)
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[15:15:45] <Phoenix666> i saw the call for editors. should i switch hats?
[15:15:39] <CoolHand> Phoenix666: agree with cmn... thanks!
[15:15:30] <Phoenix666> no problem!
[15:15:19] <cmn32480> thatnks for all the stuff to work with Phoenix666. you make this a hella lot ewasier
[15:14:55] <cmn32480> it gets out of date pretty quick
[15:14:48] <sea> oh, nifty
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[15:14:41] <cmn32480> it is NOT foolproof
[15:14:32] <Phoenix666> hi
[15:14:27] <cockroach> ah that's nice
[15:14:19] <cmn32480> heya Phoenix666
[15:14:15] <cmn32480> heya phoenix
[15:14:05] <cmn32480> I see Cockroack in the Lazarus effect and sea in a dummy-Sat Oct. 8
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[15:13:46] <cmn32480> if you scroll all the way to the bottom of the page (whenever you are on the site) you will see what stories somebody is editing
[15:13:10] <cmn32480> and the last column is the submitter
[15:13:03] <cmn32480> and also the link ot the actual editing interface
[15:12:50] <cmn32480> the subject is the working title of the sub as put in by the submitter
[15:12:35] <cmn32480> the date time si when it was submitted
[15:12:26] <cmn32480> and a merge is when we combine multiple submissions into one story.
[15:12:09] <cmn32480> delete is self explanatory
[15:12:00] <cmn32480> updates will do things like move the queue.
[15:11:54] <CoolHand> cmn32480: per se... :)
[15:11:50] <cmn32480> the checkbox, allows for updates, merges and deletions.
[15:11:19] * sea adds to the todo list
[15:10:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> sea, wait till you're officially on team and have an email address then harass paulej72 about it at least once a week.
[15:10:54] <cmn32480> that hasn't been implemented per say on production yet.
[15:10:41] <cmn32480> the second drop down is the nexus
[15:10:28] <cmn32480> you can move the story to a hold queue to get it out of the main sub list
[15:10:11] <cmn32480> the first drop from the left is for moving the queue
[15:09:52] <sea> oh it's for deleting
[15:09:34] <sea> So, notes, what's this second one? Hold|Quik|Back, Nexus.., uhh..timestamp but you can tick a box?hrmm
[15:09:29] * cmn32480 never noticed that they weren't
[15:08:53] <sea> would be handy if these columns were labeled..
[15:08:50] <cmn32480> arthur trolls the #rss feed and can be very handy for us in dry spells
[15:08:17] <cockroach> ah nice
[15:07:15] <cmn32480> Arthur T. Knackerbracket is also a script, created by janrinok he pulls the entire article (complete with links) into a sub
[15:06:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> they make for suck-ass submissions that create a fair bit of extra work for editors but it's better than not having any submissions at all.
[15:06:35] <cmn32480> yes. if you scroll down, you will see some from the bots
[15:05:39] <cockroach> ah okay
[15:05:33] <sea> still though..the top 3 are from jOE rANDOM uSER, mrcoolbp, and.. Anonymous Coward
[15:05:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> different bots with different ways of handling submissions. MrPlow gives the submitter credit while exec doesn't for instance.
[15:05:22] <cmn32480> MrPLow is also a bot, written and opped by TMB
[15:05:01] <cmn32480> I op exec, but crutchy is the programmer.
[15:04:50] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[15:04:47] <cmn32480> x is the test version of exec
[15:04:36] <exec> └─ 13Encrypted email sign-ups instantly double in wake of Trump victory • The Register
[15:04:29] <cockroach> what's the difference between them then? x, exec and MrPlow?
[15:04:28] <cmn32480> that is the last column
[15:04:24] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[15:04:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://www.theregister.co.uk
[15:04:21] <sea> unless that's what the last oclumn is
[15:04:14] <sea> It doesn't say who submitted 'em..
[15:03:43] <cmn32480> sea anythgin subbed by x, exec, or MrPlow came from IRC
[15:03:41] <cockroach> CoolHand: yeah, he's in CET
[15:03:18] <sea> How do you know the top 3 are from IRC?
[15:03:15] <CoolHand> I saw sea is UTC-5.. didn't see where cockroach is located? is he elsewhere?
[15:03:12] <sea> Hold on
[15:03:07] <cmn32480> Arthur T Knackerbracket is also a script
[15:03:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, if you lot want a different account to edit from on the production server, get them created before you get officially off of training and let me know what they are.
[15:02:48] <cmn32480> the above 3 come from IRC
[15:02:26] <sea> oh, it's way at the bottom
[15:02:19] <sea> There is no update button
[15:02:12] <cmn32480> only if you click upsdate
[15:02:04] <cmn32480> all are bots that give us a link and a brief summary (usually 1 line)
[15:02:01] <sea> Cool, so if I edit the notes they save automatically
[15:01:48] <cmn32480> x, exec, MrPlow
[15:01:37] <cmn32480> 1) submissions by bots
[15:01:27] <cmn32480> couple thigns to note in this list
[15:01:05] <cmn32480> but it creates it's own wind
[15:00:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> it does sometimes need a good fanning, yes.
[15:00:53] <cmn32480> sea - dont' encourage him!~
[15:00:43] * sea sidles up to TheMightyBuzzard
[15:00:40] <cmn32480> couple thigns to note in this list
[15:00:35] * sea personally is a big fan of TheMightyBuzzard's butt
[15:00:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> my butt is entirely newsworthy. they're just jealous.
[14:59:54] <sea> lol
[14:59:48] <cmn32480> we already deleted them on prod
[14:59:42] <cmn32480> only on dev...
[14:59:30] <sea> So, hidden away behind the public-face of soylentnews, are a bunch of stories about TMB's butt
[14:59:30] <cmn32480> yeah.. that isn't unusual even on prod
[14:59:03] <cmn32480> no shower threats this time, k?
[14:59:03] <sea> It's full of junk!
[14:58:51] <cmn32480> it is the list of submissions (be they good, bad or ugly) that are what we select from to go out to the front page
[14:58:40] <CoolHand> I noticed that when back scrolling... yay! fresh meat!
[14:58:29] <CoolHand> good mornign sea and cockroach..
[14:58:20] <cmn32480> so the submission list is exactly what is sound like
[14:57:41] <cockroach> hey
[14:57:41] <sea> hi
[14:57:38] <sea> yo
[14:57:28] <cmn32480> CoolHand - say good mornign to sea and cockroach. They have volunteered to look into becoming editors
[14:57:03] * cmn32480 sits corrected
[14:56:00] <CoolHand> cmn32480: I'm not central... I'm East... I can't help it my state is screwed up (in so many ways I can't count)
[14:55:32] * MrPlow smakes cmn32480 upside the head with a semi-dessicated maggot-infested dead cat
[14:55:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake cmn32480
[14:55:32] <cmn32480> if you go to the admin bar and choose the 56 submissions link
[14:54:31] <exec> .kick TheMightyBuzzard
[14:54:30] <cmn32480> ~buzzkill
[14:54:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh
[14:54:13] <cmn32480> If I sign off on the story, the color changes rto green
[14:54:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut?
[14:53:56] <cmn32480> in the case of the link I just posted, all saves have been TMB
[14:53:42] <cmn32480> you see who has saved the story in the right hand slashbox at the top of the screen.
[14:53:19] <exec> └─ 13My two cents - Dev.SN
[14:53:16] <cmn32480> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[14:52:59] <sea> 'My two cents - I think they're quite nice'
[14:52:50] <sea> pfft, haha
[14:52:48] <cmn32480> green is stories that have been seconed already
[14:52:46] <sea> I'll click on this one here..
[14:52:10] <cmn32480> this is generally preferred before a story hits the front page.
[14:51:52] <cmn32480> so in the OMG PWNIES theme, the pink stories are looking for an editorial second look.
[14:51:01] <cmn32480> with a shitton of js and I get to watch the CPU used by my browser skyrocket
[14:50:46] <cmn32480> yes
[14:50:34] <cmn32480> ugly as hell, but good to keep a different theme from production
[14:50:29] <sea> Cool. I liked the april 1st one. That was the bright yellow one
[14:50:29] <cockroach> sounds about right
[14:50:15] <cmn32480> pink is OMG PWNIES!
[14:50:02] <cockroach> mine looks somewhat pinkish
[14:49:56] <sea> Yeah, mine is all pink and white
[14:49:49] <cmn32480> the default is the April 1 theme
[14:49:38] <cmn32480> what theme are you guys using?
[14:49:30] <cmn32480> you will see a third color when someone ELSE has posted the story and it requires a second edit
[14:48:40] <cmn32480> the color will change when the story gets a second edit from somebody else.
[14:48:28] <cmn32480> if you post a story, it will be one color
[14:48:13] <cmn32480> the colors denote the status of the story
[14:47:59] <cmn32480> but there is a distinct difference in the content
[14:47:49] <cmn32480> it always says story list.
[14:47:22] <cmn32480> the colors will depend on your theme
[14:47:09] <cmn32480> that is incorrect
[14:47:04] <sea> so why are some stories red, some light-peach, and some..yellow/green?
[14:46:57] <cmn32480> if the story list has the name of the nexus instead of Story List...
[14:45:50] <cockroach> aye*
[14:45:49] <sea> oh? how do I know if I'm in a nexus?
[14:45:47] <cockroach> aue, there's an admin bar
[14:45:25] <cmn32480> note - if you go into a story that resides in a nexus (Bewbs, Meta, etc), you will get the story list for THAT nexus until you go back to the main page
[14:44:52] <cmn32480> Stories takes you to the current Story list
[14:44:35] <cmn32480> we'll fget there!
[14:44:34] <sea> Yeah, I see the top bar
[14:44:29] <cmn32480> easy tiger
[14:44:23] * cmn32480 pulls on the reigns a touch
[14:44:09] <sea> release time fastforward?
[14:44:08] <cmn32480> you shoudl both see the admin bar across the top
[14:43:46] <cmn32480> our internal comments on a particular story.
[14:43:34] <sea> editors notes?
[14:42:35] <cmn32480> I prefer OMG PONIES! for dev instead of the Geocities look
[14:42:18] <cmn32480> freel free to log in and change those.
[14:42:11] <cmn32480> there are things that exist in dev that are set to be deployed in prod, but haven't been yet.
[14:42:02] <cockroach> nice colours there :)
[14:41:49] <cmn32480> so the dev server is a relative mirror of the prodduction site.
[14:41:12] <cmn32480> we all do...
[14:41:05] <cmn32480> as a happy happenstance, we also use it as a training and testing ground for stuff
[14:41:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> what can i say, i like playing with bewbs.
[14:40:57] <cockroach> fancy. thanks!
[14:40:53] * sea is hooked
[14:40:49] <sea> I see bewbs
[14:40:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> cockroach added as editor on dev
[14:40:30] <cockroach> heh
[14:40:15] <cmn32480> mostly used byt TheMightyBuzzard and pj for breakings tuff before they break production
[14:39:46] <cmn32480> we have a developement server
[14:39:44] <exec> └─ 13Dev.SN: Dev.SN is dead developers
[14:39:40] <cmn32480> lol
[14:39:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> sea, https://dev.soylentnews.org
[14:39:33] <cmn32480> I don't know when that DB was last refreshed
[14:39:26] <cmn32480> can you see if cockroach has a dev account as well?
[14:39:26] <sea> nifty. What's that mean? What's the setup like? I have an account..where?
[14:39:14] <cmn32480> thanks Buzz.
[14:39:10] <cmn32480> excellen
[14:38:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> sea's added as an editor on dev
[14:38:11] <cmn32480> somethign for which I am eternally greatful;
[14:38:06] <cockroach> euhm. well, i would be interested. i quite enjoy soylentnews and if there is something i can do to help I think that would be a good thing
[14:38:03] <cmn32480> so far two people have opted to speak up,
[14:36:58] <cockroach> so far so good :)
[14:36:49] <cmn32480> we are!
[14:36:40] <cockroach> hey there. no idea if i'm really qualified for this but apparently you are looking for volunteers?
[14:36:07] <cmn32480> currently in retail
[14:35:46] <sea> What's he do that has a weird schedule? I remember him from #soylent
[14:35:24] <cmn32480> that lines up pretty well w/ both myself and janrinok. Bytram is a little more hit and miss due to his unusual work schedule, especially heading into the holidays.
[14:34:47] <cmn32480> ok
[14:34:14] <sea> So, if now is time 0, I'm online on weekdays from time -2 (2 hours ago) to about 6 hours from now. I'm a programmer so I'm idle and staring at the screen most of the time.
[14:32:38] <cmn32480> what's your available time look like
[14:32:10] <cmn32480> that'td be great
[14:32:04] <sea> I'll add this channel to my auto-join list.
[14:31:59] <cmn32480> he is GMT
[14:31:56] <cmn32480> he usually hops on IRC around now-ish
[14:31:53] <sea> Sure. What's his timezone?
[14:31:36] <cmn32480> sea - what we will need to do is get you in touch with zz_janrinok as he is the editor in chief.
[14:30:59] <cmn32480> anyway
[14:30:49] * cmn32480 sighs
[14:30:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> for a few minutes
[14:30:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll quit making noise
[14:30:27] <cmn32480> the big one marked "power"
[14:30:13] <sea> Massively depleted fish stocks, don't fish. As for internet access, I'm not sure how I'd check.. is there like, a button I can press that will tell me if I'm online?
[14:30:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, you wanna get him all fixeded up.
[14:29:47] <cmn32480> well.. this took a hard left...
[14:29:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> how's the fishing and internet access there?
[14:29:12] <cmn32480> Podunk Tenneessee?
[14:29:02] <cmn32480> ther are currentyl 5 of us taht are active
[14:28:58] <sea> I'll swap places with TheMightyBuzzard
[14:28:49] * cmn32480 offers a one way ticket
[14:28:41] <cmn32480> and CoolHand is US Central
[14:28:36] * TheMightyBuzzard has location envy of sea
[14:28:24] <sea> Out of 9?
[14:28:21] <cmn32480> janrinok is GMT
[14:27:58] <cmn32480> 3 of us are US eastcoast
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[14:27:45] <cmn32480> lines up pretty well with most of the rest of us
[14:27:42] <sea> ie. I'm always online during the day.
[14:27:36] <sea> and I work during the day so yeah
[14:27:34] <cmn32480> that works
[14:27:31] <cmn32480> ok
[14:27:17] <sea> I'm on an eastern Caribbean island, so UTC-5
[14:26:55] <cmn32480> whats your tz?
[14:26:38] <cmn32480> precisely!
[14:26:35] <sea> I feel confident already
[14:26:30] <sea> Better than a terrible first mistake.
[14:26:19] <cmn32480> sea - you are interested. That is an excellent first mistake
[14:26:03] <sea> morning. So cmn32480, I see that you're all tired and looking for new editors. I'd like to be an editor.
[14:26:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> har!
[14:26:00] <cmn32480> anyway
[14:25:55] <cmn32480> Whoops!
[14:25:40] <cmn32480> DOH
[14:25:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg
[14:25:34] <exec> editor ping for cmn32480 (reason: was fixed last week): janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram mrcoolbp cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away
[14:25:33] <cmn32480> ~eds was fixed last week
[14:25:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, it's kinda dated. needs fooxed
[14:25:23] <cmn32480> good morning sea
[14:25:17] <cmn32480> same w/ ~dev and ~staff
[14:25:07] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard - you cna use ~eds and exec will ping us all
[14:24:58] <sea> Hey
[14:24:42] <cmn32480> sea
[14:21:25] <sea> Well at least it's not a totally open interval.
[14:21:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> never can tell cause of life and such.
[14:21:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, they'll be around sometime between now and whenever.
[14:20:47] * sea sits, hushed, and awaits the arrival of the Original Ones.
[14:20:33] <sea> The incantation has been uttered, the spell cast and the summons made..
[14:20:11] <sea> Looks like they're pinged
[14:19:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ping cmn32480, zz_janrinok, CoolHand, Bytram|hiding, takyon ^^
[14:19:17] <sea> puh-leeeeease
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[14:19:14] <sea> Hey all! We're still looking for new editors? I really really really wanna be an editor
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[02:56:01] <exec> (__)\ )\/\
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[02:56:00] <exec> < chaio for now Bytram|hiding >
[02:56:00] <exec> ______________________________
[02:55:58] <cmn32480> ~cowsay chaio for now Bytram|hiding
[02:55:54] <Bytram|hiding> laters
[02:55:52] <Bytram|hiding> laughter is the best way to prepare for sleep!
[02:55:41] <Bytram|hiding> ROFL!
[02:55:36] * cmn32480 rolls awy
[02:55:35] <exec> <Bytram|hiding> ciao for now, my spherical cow
[02:55:33] <Bytram|hiding> s/sp/sph/
[02:55:26] <Bytram|hiding> ciao for now, my sperical cow
[02:55:17] <Bytram|hiding> LOL!
[02:55:17] <cmn32480> tie
[02:55:13] <cmn32480> encouragement wins
[02:55:02] <Bytram|hiding> twice
[02:54:56] <Bytram|hiding> you win
[02:54:51] * exec spontaneously instantiates a teaspoonful of smell my finger for Bytram|hiding
[02:54:49] <cmn32480> ~gnight Bytram|hiding
[02:54:48] * exec crutchyly heaps an i/o stream of encouragement on bytram
[02:54:47] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[02:54:45] * exec cromulently terrorizes some stock footage of null terminators with cmn32480
[02:54:43] <Bytram|hiding> ~gnight cmn32480
[02:54:42] <cmn32480> me too
[02:54:32] <Bytram|hiding> wonderful chatting with ya!
[02:54:24] <Bytram|hiding> I'm too tired to give much thought to anything else atm.... am gonna call it a night.
[02:54:06] <Bytram|hiding> k
[02:53:12] * Bytram|hiding wishes he could comment on a story before go-live
[02:51:51] <Bytram|hiding> clicky
[02:51:49] <cmn32480> pesky websits
[02:51:40] * Bytram|hiding had to hit refresh
[02:51:35] <Bytram|hiding> ah, I see it now.
[02:51:31] <cmn32480> we need to get it run
[02:51:25] <cmn32480> yes
[02:51:19] <Bytram|hiding> do you want it to display?
[02:50:52] <cmn32480> just dropped it to run at 0800 eastern
[02:50:51] <Bytram|hiding> then don't split it... unless you have a good lede to get 'em to click to read more
[02:50:05] <cmn32480> but am afraid if I do that nodboy will read the whole thing
[02:50:03] <Bytram|hiding> go to bed
[02:49:56] <cmn32480> am thinking of splitting the editorial plea for help into an extended copy
[02:49:54] <Bytram|hiding> couldn't resist... so sorry!
[02:49:42] <cmn32480> :-p
[02:49:34] <Bytram|hiding> you should give your ankle a break... oh, wait.
[02:48:53] * cmn32480 is wobbling a bit
[02:48:20] <cmn32480> Dutch People: During World War II, We Did Have Something to Hide
[02:48:19] <cmn32480> use this one
[02:48:17] <Bytram|hiding> wasn't trying to do <b>Did</b> but we cannot use HTML in title
[02:48:09] <cmn32480> let me try this again
[02:47:55] <Bytram|hiding> but, presented by a dutchman in amsterdam
[02:47:54] <cmn32480> I shoudl think
[02:47:51] <cmn32480> just the first letter
[02:47:39] <cmn32480> no CAPS
[02:47:31] <Bytram|hiding> ^^^ orig title
[02:47:27] <Bytram|hiding> "During World War II, we did have something to hide"
[02:47:23] <cmn32480> ok
[02:47:09] <cmn32480> from 5the source
[02:47:06] <Bytram|hiding> the note after the blockquote makes that clear
[02:46:58] <cmn32480> no DID... the original title doenst' have it
[02:46:48] <Bytram|hiding> yep, but that 'we' is just hanging out there...
[02:46:28] <cmn32480> the point of that one is that we all shoudl be seeing that problem in today's standards and it its correct
[02:46:23] <Bytram|hiding> Dutch People: During World War II, We DID Have Something to Hide
[02:46:12] <Bytram|hiding> Dutch People: During World War II, We Did Have Something to Hide
[02:46:12] <Bytram|hiding> how's this for a new story title:
[02:45:29] <Bytram|hiding> ahh, "the Dutch"
[02:44:27] * Bytram|hiding clicks story link
[02:44:05] <Bytram|hiding> umm, who is "we" in "During World War II, We Did Have Something to Hide"
[02:43:41] <Bytram|hiding> 2nding WWII
[02:43:32] <Bytram|hiding> just minor stuff -- looks good!
[02:43:24] * Bytram|hiding clicks update
[02:43:20] <Bytram|hiding> ugh
[02:43:18] * Bytram|hiding clicks u<h3>Songwriter, Musician, and Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Famer Leon Russell Dead at 74<h3>date
[02:43:03] <Bytram|hiding> me finds he failed to close the <h3> ... OOPS!
[02:42:31] <Bytram|hiding> preview
[02:42:22] <Bytram|hiding> changed <b>title</b> to <h3.title</h3>
[02:41:40] <cmn32480> DOH
[02:41:31] <Bytram|hiding> adding Continues...
[02:40:49] <Bytram|hiding> striking "&mode=nested&threshold=0" from links to SN
[02:37:39] <Bytram|hiding> 2nding music has lost many greats this year
[02:37:30] <Bytram|hiding> done
[02:32:50] <Bytram|hiding> 2nding twitter trolls
[02:32:40] <Bytram|hiding> done
[02:32:30] <Bytram|hiding> so I keep an eye open for italics, bold, etc.
[02:32:20] <Bytram|hiding> lastly, p666 usually just copies the *text*
[02:32:11] <Bytram|hiding> also, when I can, copy the journal link
[02:31:59] <Bytram|hiding> *original
[02:31:55] <Bytram|hiding> I just follow the link and poijnt to the org
[02:31:46] <Bytram|hiding> of materials provided to it
[02:31:42] <Bytram|hiding> yeah -- sciencedaily 90+% of the time is a reprint
[02:31:11] <cmn32480> you plugging in riginal source links?
[02:30:56] * Bytram|hiding copies in abstract link
[02:28:30] * Bytram|hiding copies same into story
[02:28:21] <exec> └─ 13Page not found | NC State News | NC State University
[02:28:17] * Bytram|hiding opens "materials" link: https://news.ncsu.edu
[02:27:48] * Bytram|hiding follows sciencedaily link
[02:27:26] <Bytram|hiding> 2nding bottlebrush
[02:27:19] <Bytram|hiding> saved
[02:26:39] <Bytram|hiding> no original materials link to copy, but did find link to abstract... copying to story
[02:26:12] <Bytram|hiding> followed link to sciencedaily
[02:25:13] <Bytram|hiding> 2nding Bone Gene
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[01:25:04] <Bytram> afk; biab
[01:25:01] <Bytram> gonna make dinner
[01:24:57] <Bytram> k
[01:24:54] <cmn32480> brb.. gotta put kids to bed
[01:24:54] <Bytram> yep
[01:24:36] <Bytram> gained some practice in my writing skills under the watchful eye of a large community
[01:24:14] <cmn32480> abusing TMB
[01:24:11] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 73
[01:24:11] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[01:24:06] <Bytram> what I've gained is making some great friends
[01:24:02] <cmn32480> the super secret handshake
[01:23:56] <Bytram> I'm limited cash-wise in what I can contribute, but I can give of my tim4e.
[01:23:38] <Bytram> for me, I believe in the site and am happy to contribute to it's being an on-going concern
[01:23:05] <Bytram> besides just a sense of duty or whatever
[01:22:52] <Bytram> what motivation would they have to help out?
[01:22:43] <Bytram> if we're asking people to give up their free time
[01:22:29] <Bytram> was thinking it might be helpful to mention benefits
[01:22:13] <Bytram> and, by the way, it WOULD be nice to have another couple of hands to assist -- great idea to ask for help
[01:22:12] <cmn32480> was thinking of running it tomorrow morning
[01:22:04] <cmn32480> yes?
[01:21:50] <cmn32480> spit is rarely hygenic.. but Mothers Spit is the only known universal solvent
[01:21:48] <Bytram> an observation on the "request for editors" story
[01:21:36] <Bytram> oh...
[01:20:25] <Bytram> not very hygienic, mind you, but rather impressive
[01:20:07] <cmn32480> nice
[01:19:50] <Bytram> over time, he developed pretty good aim
[01:19:37] <Bytram> and it would release an elastic that ran from lower molar to top front tooth
[01:19:13] <Bytram> he found a way to open his mouth "just so"
[01:19:02] <Bytram> my brother mastered an amazing trick
[01:18:49] <cmn32480> lol
[01:18:31] <Bytram> =)
[01:18:30] <Bytram> nah, in a pinch I saved money and used the ones from my braces
[01:18:09] <Bytram> and the ammo was provided
[01:18:08] <cmn32480> they gave you one run by rubber bands?
[01:18:04] <Bytram> we paid a fee of some sort (I think for each session?)
[01:17:48] <Bytram> When I got to rifle team
[01:17:21] <Bytram> and bring it with them to the range at the local police dept
[01:17:04] <Bytram> they would go down to the school office, and buy their ammo there
[01:16:50] <Bytram> when practice day came
[01:16:47] <cmn32480> that no longer exists
[01:16:43] <cmn32480> HA!
[01:16:37] <Bytram> my dad told me of how he was on the rifle team when he was in high school
[01:16:37] <cmn32480> even after the crap of today started
[01:16:28] <cmn32480> but I too carried one for years at school
[01:16:19] <cmn32480> expulsion
[01:16:16] <cmn32480> noway
[01:16:04] <Bytram> sad
[01:15:59] <Bytram> now, they'd not let me in the door
[01:15:52] <Bytram> and off to school I'd go
[01:15:48] <Bytram> check!
[01:15:45] <Bytram> wallet, keys, comb, and knife
[01:15:38] <Bytram> was part of getting dressed in the morning to go to school...
[01:15:16] <Bytram> think I had turned 13 or so
[01:15:09] <Bytram> tring to remember when I got my first pocket knife
[01:15:00] <cmn32480> that'd be the majority
[01:14:52] <Bytram> prolly... at least the city dwellers
[01:14:29] * cmn32480 bets on the majority
[01:14:16] <cmn32480> and I am very careful
[01:14:13] * Bytram wonders how many USians have never split a log in their life
[01:14:10] <cmn32480> oh yes
[01:13:59] <cmn32480> can't trust the oldest with a pocket knife.. much less an axe or maul
[01:13:53] <Bytram> but, they ARE learning watching what you do
[01:13:39] <Bytram> yep
[01:13:33] <cmn32480> mine are still a bit too young
[01:13:33] <Bytram> nograb
[01:13:30] <Bytram> which the splitter was usually more than willing to give up the tool
[01:13:19] <Bytram> watching too closely meant you wanted to take a stab at splitting wood!
[01:13:04] <cmn32480> some of the logs weigh more than my kids
[01:13:03] <Bytram> but, looking back, nobody hung around too close anyway
[01:12:53] <Bytram> at least it wasn't coded like that
[01:12:44] <Bytram> we were not quite that particular
[01:12:22] <cmn32480> no kids inside a 20ft radius
[01:12:18] <Bytram> keep line of sight clear
[01:12:16] <cmn32480> I do too
[01:12:11] <Bytram> we practiced safe splitting
[01:12:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:11:54] <exec> <cmn32480> the pieces sometimes explode apart rather forcefully, as you are relieving all that pressure from the ice
[01:11:53] <cmn32480> s/sce/ice/
[01:11:37] <cmn32480> the pieces sometimes explode apart rather forcefully, as you are relieving all that pressure from the sce
[01:11:29] <Bytram> how so?
[01:11:24] <Bytram> as long as it didn't thaw, it was brittle and could split it easy
[01:11:17] <cmn32480> but you often have to be careful splitting frozen
[01:11:07] <cmn32480> yes I have heard that
[01:11:05] <Bytram> and was about 20 degrees out
[01:10:54] <cmn32480> fresh vs dry?
[01:10:54] <Bytram> it was frozen solid
[01:10:45] <Bytram> the difference?
[01:10:41] <Bytram> was easy as could be!
[01:10:35] <Bytram> *there on
[01:10:31] <Bytram> dropped an elm and did prelim splitting ther eon the stump
[01:10:18] <Bytram> (dad was good friends with the owner)
[01:10:11] <Bytram> went and got an elm at nearby gold course
[01:09:58] <Bytram> and then one day
[01:09:53] <Bytram> and then slam it down on the maul head to even have a hope of getting through
[01:09:39] <Bytram> would have to swing the maul and log around together, invert in midair
[01:09:09] <Bytram> could only get about half-way through a 2-foot long, 10' log with the maul
[01:08:39] <cmn32480> then no
[01:08:33] <Bytram> most nastiest sinewy stuff there is
[01:08:22] <Bytram> ever split elm?
[01:08:08] <Bytram> a few more swings with the maul and then one more run through with an axe and lickety split
[01:07:55] <cmn32480> those are the best
[01:07:44] <Bytram> splitting wedge on one side... tap to set it in plce, one swing with a sledgehammer... POOF split in half
[01:07:30] <cmn32480> lince
[01:07:15] <Bytram> was a JOY to split -- absolutely clear grained
[01:07:03] <Bytram> about 30" through
[01:06:53] <cmn32480> unless you got a hydraulic splitter
[01:06:52] <Bytram> almost forgot, one time got a HUGE ash tree
[01:06:42] <Bytram> oh!
[01:06:37] <cmn32480> mauls are the best for splitting wood
[01:06:37] <Bytram> I was swinging it around like it was just an axe
[01:06:29] <Bytram> by the second season with it
[01:06:13] <Bytram> had a splitting maul which my dad got at a garage sale with a broken handle; replaced the handle with one that was 6" longer than the original -- was a real bear to swing it around
[01:06:11] <cmn32480> mine are still too young for that
[01:05:59] <cmn32480> everythign from pine, birch, oak, maple
[01:05:47] <cmn32480> mostly stuff that needs removing
[01:05:35] <cmn32480> mine has been used on many many things
[01:05:31] <Bytram> to us kids fell most of the splitting duty.
[01:05:19] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:05:14] <Bytram> most got red oak, though occasionally there'd be a maple, and on rare occasion elm, birch, and pine
[01:04:55] * cmn32480 has been there, done that, bought the T-Shirt
[01:04:38] <Bytram> you know what I mean!
[01:04:33] <cmn32480> yep
[01:04:31] <cmn32480> lol
[01:04:25] <Bytram> and once after each time we'd catch a nail in a log
[01:04:12] <Bytram> my dad would sharpen the chain each year
[01:04:12] <cmn32480> I am debating on replacing the fuel lines, or just replacing it with something a little better
[01:04:01] <Bytram> when we got it, it was already several years old
[01:03:49] <cmn32480> right.
[01:03:42] <Bytram> not THAT light, but we harvested many many a tree with it
[01:03:36] <cmn32480> it is a 16" Poulan 2100(?)
[01:03:29] <Bytram> WAY back when, my dad a 16" homelight (IIRC)
[01:03:14] <cmn32480> how 'bout you? anythign interesting?
[01:03:04] <Bytram> what model do you have?
[01:03:01] <cmn32480> but other than that.. pretty quiet day
[01:02:54] <Bytram> urgh.
[01:02:53] <cmn32480> no biggie
[01:02:50] <cmn32480> it just woudln't run...
[01:02:41] <Bytram> oh oh.
[01:02:30] <cmn32480> found out the hard way that the chainsaw needs new fuel lines
[01:02:29] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:02:15] <cmn32480> the weather was pretty sweet for beginning of November, so it made sense
[01:01:55] <cmn32480> I spent the day doing chorse outside.
[01:01:35] <cmn32480> if you say "Turn your head and cough" I am SO outta here!
[01:01:31] <Bytram> just wanted to say "Hi!" and see how you were doing.
[01:01:19] <cmn32480> now what?
[01:01:17] <cmn32480> I'm here
[01:01:15] <cmn32480> Bytram
[01:01:05] <Bytram> wwII
[00:59:55] <Bytram> cmn32480: over here.
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