#editorial | Logs for 2016-11-14

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[00:51:23] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[00:59:55] <Bytram> cmn32480: over here.
[01:01:05] <Bytram> wwII
[01:01:15] <cmn32480> Bytram
[01:01:17] <cmn32480> I'm here
[01:01:19] <cmn32480> now what?
[01:01:31] <Bytram> just wanted to say "Hi!" and see how you were doing.
[01:01:35] <cmn32480> if you say "Turn your head and cough" I am SO outta here!
[01:01:55] <cmn32480> I spent the day doing chorse outside.
[01:02:15] <cmn32480> the weather was pretty sweet for beginning of November, so it made sense
[01:02:29] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:02:30] <cmn32480> found out the hard way that the chainsaw needs new fuel lines
[01:02:41] <Bytram> oh oh.
[01:02:50] <cmn32480> it just woudln't run...
[01:02:53] <cmn32480> no biggie
[01:02:54] <Bytram> urgh.
[01:03:01] <cmn32480> but other than that.. pretty quiet day
[01:03:04] <Bytram> what model do you have?
[01:03:14] <cmn32480> how 'bout you? anythign interesting?
[01:03:29] <Bytram> WAY back when, my dad a 16" homelight (IIRC)
[01:03:36] <cmn32480> it is a 16" Poulan 2100(?)
[01:03:42] <Bytram> not THAT light, but we harvested many many a tree with it
[01:03:49] <cmn32480> right.
[01:04:01] <Bytram> when we got it, it was already several years old
[01:04:12] <cmn32480> I am debating on replacing the fuel lines, or just replacing it with something a little better
[01:04:12] <Bytram> my dad would sharpen the chain each year
[01:04:25] <Bytram> and once after each time we'd catch a nail in a log
[01:04:31] <cmn32480> lol
[01:04:33] <cmn32480> yep
[01:04:38] <Bytram> you know what I mean!
[01:04:55] * cmn32480 has been there, done that, bought the T-Shirt
[01:05:14] <Bytram> most got red oak, though occasionally there'd be a maple, and on rare occasion elm, birch, and pine
[01:05:19] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:05:31] <Bytram> to us kids fell most of the splitting duty.
[01:05:35] <cmn32480> mine has been used on many many things
[01:05:47] <cmn32480> mostly stuff that needs removing
[01:05:59] <cmn32480> everythign from pine, birch, oak, maple
[01:06:11] <cmn32480> mine are still too young for that
[01:06:13] <Bytram> had a splitting maul which my dad got at a garage sale with a broken handle; replaced the handle with one that was 6" longer than the original -- was a real bear to swing it around
[01:06:29] <Bytram> by the second season with it
[01:06:37] <Bytram> I was swinging it around like it was just an axe
[01:06:37] <cmn32480> mauls are the best for splitting wood
[01:06:42] <Bytram> oh!
[01:06:52] <Bytram> almost forgot, one time got a HUGE ash tree
[01:06:53] <cmn32480> unless you got a hydraulic splitter
[01:07:03] <Bytram> about 30" through
[01:07:15] <Bytram> was a JOY to split -- absolutely clear grained
[01:07:30] <cmn32480> lince
[01:07:44] <Bytram> splitting wedge on one side... tap to set it in plce, one swing with a sledgehammer... POOF split in half
[01:07:55] <cmn32480> those are the best
[01:08:08] <Bytram> a few more swings with the maul and then one more run through with an axe and lickety split
[01:08:22] <Bytram> ever split elm?
[01:08:33] <Bytram> most nastiest sinewy stuff there is
[01:08:39] <cmn32480> then no
[01:09:09] <Bytram> could only get about half-way through a 2-foot long, 10' log with the maul
[01:09:39] <Bytram> would have to swing the maul and log around together, invert in midair
[01:09:53] <Bytram> and then slam it down on the maul head to even have a hope of getting through
[01:09:58] <Bytram> and then one day
[01:10:11] <Bytram> went and got an elm at nearby gold course
[01:10:18] <Bytram> (dad was good friends with the owner)
[01:10:31] <Bytram> dropped an elm and did prelim splitting ther eon the stump
[01:10:35] <Bytram> *there on
[01:10:41] <Bytram> was easy as could be!
[01:10:45] <Bytram> the difference?
[01:10:54] <Bytram> it was frozen solid
[01:10:54] <cmn32480> fresh vs dry?
[01:11:05] <Bytram> and was about 20 degrees out
[01:11:07] <cmn32480> yes I have heard that
[01:11:17] <cmn32480> but you often have to be careful splitting frozen
[01:11:24] <Bytram> as long as it didn't thaw, it was brittle and could split it easy
[01:11:29] <Bytram> how so?
[01:11:37] <cmn32480> the pieces sometimes explode apart rather forcefully, as you are relieving all that pressure from the sce
[01:11:53] <cmn32480> s/sce/ice/
[01:11:54] <exec> <cmn32480> the pieces sometimes explode apart rather forcefully, as you are relieving all that pressure from the ice
[01:12:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:12:11] <Bytram> we practiced safe splitting
[01:12:16] <cmn32480> I do too
[01:12:18] <Bytram> keep line of sight clear
[01:12:22] <cmn32480> no kids inside a 20ft radius
[01:12:44] <Bytram> we were not quite that particular
[01:12:53] <Bytram> at least it wasn't coded like that
[01:13:03] <Bytram> but, looking back, nobody hung around too close anyway
[01:13:04] <cmn32480> some of the logs weigh more than my kids
[01:13:19] <Bytram> watching too closely meant you wanted to take a stab at splitting wood!
[01:13:30] <Bytram> which the splitter was usually more than willing to give up the tool
[01:13:33] <Bytram> nograb
[01:13:33] <cmn32480> mine are still a bit too young
[01:13:39] <Bytram> yep
[01:13:53] <Bytram> but, they ARE learning watching what you do
[01:13:59] <cmn32480> can't trust the oldest with a pocket knife.. much less an axe or maul
[01:14:10] <cmn32480> oh yes
[01:14:13] * Bytram wonders how many USians have never split a log in their life
[01:14:16] <cmn32480> and I am very careful
[01:14:29] * cmn32480 bets on the majority
[01:14:52] <Bytram> prolly... at least the city dwellers
[01:15:00] <cmn32480> that'd be the majority
[01:15:09] <Bytram> tring to remember when I got my first pocket knife
[01:15:16] <Bytram> think I had turned 13 or so
[01:15:38] <Bytram> was part of getting dressed in the morning to go to school...
[01:15:45] <Bytram> wallet, keys, comb, and knife
[01:15:48] <Bytram> check!
[01:15:52] <Bytram> and off to school I'd go
[01:15:59] <Bytram> now, they'd not let me in the door
[01:16:04] <Bytram> sad
[01:16:16] <cmn32480> noway
[01:16:19] <cmn32480> expulsion
[01:16:28] <cmn32480> but I too carried one for years at school
[01:16:37] <cmn32480> even after the crap of today started
[01:16:37] <Bytram> my dad told me of how he was on the rifle team when he was in high school
[01:16:43] <cmn32480> HA!
[01:16:47] <cmn32480> that no longer exists
[01:16:50] <Bytram> when practice day came
[01:17:04] <Bytram> they would go down to the school office, and buy their ammo there
[01:17:21] <Bytram> and bring it with them to the range at the local police dept
[01:17:48] <Bytram> When I got to rifle team
[01:18:04] <Bytram> we paid a fee of some sort (I think for each session?)
[01:18:08] <cmn32480> they gave you one run by rubber bands?
[01:18:09] <Bytram> and the ammo was provided
[01:18:30] <Bytram> nah, in a pinch I saved money and used the ones from my braces
[01:18:31] <Bytram> =)
[01:18:49] <cmn32480> lol
[01:19:02] <Bytram> my brother mastered an amazing trick
[01:19:13] <Bytram> he found a way to open his mouth "just so"
[01:19:37] <Bytram> and it would release an elastic that ran from lower molar to top front tooth
[01:19:50] <Bytram> over time, he developed pretty good aim
[01:20:07] <cmn32480> nice
[01:20:25] <Bytram> not very hygienic, mind you, but rather impressive
[01:21:36] <Bytram> oh...
[01:21:48] <Bytram> an observation on the "request for editors" story
[01:21:50] <cmn32480> spit is rarely hygenic.. but Mothers Spit is the only known universal solvent
[01:22:04] <cmn32480> yes?
[01:22:12] <cmn32480> was thinking of running it tomorrow morning
[01:22:13] <Bytram> and, by the way, it WOULD be nice to have another couple of hands to assist -- great idea to ask for help
[01:22:29] <Bytram> was thinking it might be helpful to mention benefits
[01:22:43] <Bytram> if we're asking people to give up their free time
[01:22:52] <Bytram> what motivation would they have to help out?
[01:23:05] <Bytram> besides just a sense of duty or whatever
[01:23:38] <Bytram> for me, I believe in the site and am happy to contribute to it's being an on-going concern
[01:23:56] <Bytram> I'm limited cash-wise in what I can contribute, but I can give of my tim4e.
[01:24:02] <cmn32480> the super secret handshake
[01:24:06] <Bytram> what I've gained is making some great friends
[01:24:11] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[01:24:11] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 73
[01:24:14] <cmn32480> abusing TMB
[01:24:36] <Bytram> gained some practice in my writing skills under the watchful eye of a large community
[01:24:54] <Bytram> yep
[01:24:54] <cmn32480> brb.. gotta put kids to bed
[01:24:57] <Bytram> k
[01:25:01] <Bytram> gonna make dinner
[01:25:04] <Bytram> afk; biab
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[02:15:28] Bytram is now known as Bytram|hiding
[02:25:13] <Bytram|hiding> 2nding Bone Gene
[02:26:12] <Bytram|hiding> followed link to sciencedaily
[02:26:39] <Bytram|hiding> no original materials link to copy, but did find link to abstract... copying to story
[02:27:19] <Bytram|hiding> saved
[02:27:26] <Bytram|hiding> 2nding bottlebrush
[02:27:48] * Bytram|hiding follows sciencedaily link
[02:28:17] * Bytram|hiding opens "materials" link: https://news.ncsu.edu
[02:28:21] <exec> └─ 13Page not found | NC State News | NC State University
[02:28:30] * Bytram|hiding copies same into story
[02:30:56] * Bytram|hiding copies in abstract link
[02:31:11] <cmn32480> you plugging in riginal source links?
[02:31:42] <Bytram|hiding> yeah -- sciencedaily 90+% of the time is a reprint
[02:31:46] <Bytram|hiding> of materials provided to it
[02:31:55] <Bytram|hiding> I just follow the link and poijnt to the org
[02:31:59] <Bytram|hiding> *original
[02:32:11] <Bytram|hiding> also, when I can, copy the journal link
[02:32:20] <Bytram|hiding> lastly, p666 usually just copies the *text*
[02:32:30] <Bytram|hiding> so I keep an eye open for italics, bold, etc.
[02:32:40] <Bytram|hiding> done
[02:32:50] <Bytram|hiding> 2nding twitter trolls
[02:37:30] <Bytram|hiding> done
[02:37:39] <Bytram|hiding> 2nding music has lost many greats this year
[02:40:49] <Bytram|hiding> striking "&mode=nested&threshold=0" from links to SN
[02:41:31] <Bytram|hiding> adding Continues...
[02:41:40] <cmn32480> DOH
[02:42:22] <Bytram|hiding> changed <b>title</b> to <h3.title</h3>
[02:42:31] <Bytram|hiding> preview
[02:43:03] <Bytram|hiding> me finds he failed to close the <h3> ... OOPS!
[02:43:18] * Bytram|hiding clicks u<h3>Songwriter, Musician, and Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Famer Leon Russell Dead at 74<h3>date
[02:43:20] <Bytram|hiding> ugh
[02:43:24] * Bytram|hiding clicks update
[02:43:32] <Bytram|hiding> just minor stuff -- looks good!
[02:43:41] <Bytram|hiding> 2nding WWII
[02:44:05] <Bytram|hiding> umm, who is "we" in "During World War II, We Did Have Something to Hide"
[02:44:27] * Bytram|hiding clicks story link
[02:45:29] <Bytram|hiding> ahh, "the Dutch"
[02:46:12] <Bytram|hiding> how's this for a new story title:
[02:46:12] <Bytram|hiding> Dutch People: During World War II, We Did Have Something to Hide
[02:46:23] <Bytram|hiding> Dutch People: During World War II, We DID Have Something to Hide
[02:46:28] <cmn32480> the point of that one is that we all shoudl be seeing that problem in today's standards and it its correct
[02:46:48] <Bytram|hiding> yep, but that 'we' is just hanging out there...
[02:46:58] <cmn32480> no DID... the original title doenst' have it
[02:47:06] <Bytram|hiding> the note after the blockquote makes that clear
[02:47:09] <cmn32480> from 5the source
[02:47:23] <cmn32480> ok
[02:47:27] <Bytram|hiding> "During World War II, we did have something to hide"
[02:47:31] <Bytram|hiding> ^^^ orig title
[02:47:39] <cmn32480> no CAPS
[02:47:51] <cmn32480> just the first letter
[02:47:54] <cmn32480> I shoudl think
[02:47:55] <Bytram|hiding> but, presented by a dutchman in amsterdam
[02:48:09] <cmn32480> let me try this again
[02:48:17] <Bytram|hiding> wasn't trying to do <b>Did</b> but we cannot use HTML in title
[02:48:19] <cmn32480> use this one
[02:48:20] <cmn32480> Dutch People: During World War II, We Did Have Something to Hide
[02:48:53] * cmn32480 is wobbling a bit
[02:49:34] <Bytram|hiding> you should give your ankle a break... oh, wait.
[02:49:42] <cmn32480> :-p
[02:49:54] <Bytram|hiding> couldn't resist... so sorry!
[02:49:56] <cmn32480> am thinking of splitting the editorial plea for help into an extended copy
[02:50:03] <Bytram|hiding> go to bed
[02:50:05] <cmn32480> but am afraid if I do that nodboy will read the whole thing
[02:50:51] <Bytram|hiding> then don't split it... unless you have a good lede to get 'em to click to read more
[02:50:52] <cmn32480> just dropped it to run at 0800 eastern
[02:51:19] <Bytram|hiding> do you want it to display?
[02:51:25] <cmn32480> yes
[02:51:31] <cmn32480> we need to get it run
[02:51:35] <Bytram|hiding> ah, I see it now.
[02:51:40] * Bytram|hiding had to hit refresh
[02:51:49] <cmn32480> pesky websits
[02:51:51] <Bytram|hiding> clicky
[02:53:12] * Bytram|hiding wishes he could comment on a story before go-live
[02:54:06] <Bytram|hiding> k
[02:54:24] <Bytram|hiding> I'm too tired to give much thought to anything else atm.... am gonna call it a night.
[02:54:32] <Bytram|hiding> wonderful chatting with ya!
[02:54:42] <cmn32480> me too
[02:54:43] <Bytram|hiding> ~gnight cmn32480
[02:54:45] * exec cromulently terrorizes some stock footage of null terminators with cmn32480
[02:54:47] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[02:54:48] * exec crutchyly heaps an i/o stream of encouragement on bytram
[02:54:49] <cmn32480> ~gnight Bytram|hiding
[02:54:51] * exec spontaneously instantiates a teaspoonful of smell my finger for Bytram|hiding
[02:54:56] <Bytram|hiding> you win
[02:55:02] <Bytram|hiding> twice
[02:55:13] <cmn32480> encouragement wins
[02:55:17] <cmn32480> tie
[02:55:17] <Bytram|hiding> LOL!
[02:55:26] <Bytram|hiding> ciao for now, my sperical cow
[02:55:33] <Bytram|hiding> s/sp/sph/
[02:55:35] <exec> <Bytram|hiding> ciao for now, my spherical cow
[02:55:36] * cmn32480 rolls awy
[02:55:41] <Bytram|hiding> ROFL!
[02:55:52] <Bytram|hiding> laughter is the best way to prepare for sleep!
[02:55:54] <Bytram|hiding> laters
[02:55:58] <cmn32480> ~cowsay chaio for now Bytram|hiding
[02:56:00] <exec> ______________________________
[02:56:00] <exec> < chaio for now Bytram|hiding >
[02:56:00] <exec> ------------------------------
[02:56:00] <exec> \ ^__^
[02:56:00] <exec> \ (oo)\_______
[02:56:01] <exec> (__)\ )\/\
[02:56:02] <exec> ||----w |
[02:56:03] <exec> || ||
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[14:19:14] <sea> Hey all! We're still looking for new editors? I really really really wanna be an editor
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[14:19:17] <sea> puh-leeeeease
[14:19:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ping cmn32480, zz_janrinok, CoolHand, Bytram|hiding, takyon ^^
[14:20:11] <sea> Looks like they're pinged
[14:20:33] <sea> The incantation has been uttered, the spell cast and the summons made..
[14:20:47] * sea sits, hushed, and awaits the arrival of the Original Ones.
[14:21:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, they'll be around sometime between now and whenever.
[14:21:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> never can tell cause of life and such.
[14:21:25] <sea> Well at least it's not a totally open interval.
[14:24:42] <cmn32480> sea
[14:24:58] <sea> Hey
[14:25:07] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard - you cna use ~eds and exec will ping us all
[14:25:17] <cmn32480> same w/ ~dev and ~staff
[14:25:23] <cmn32480> good morning sea
[14:25:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, it's kinda dated. needs fooxed
[14:25:33] <cmn32480> ~eds was fixed last week
[14:25:34] <exec> editor ping for cmn32480 (reason: was fixed last week): janrinok n1 nick martyb Bytram mrcoolbp cmn32480 coolhand takyon bytram|away
[14:25:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg
[14:25:40] <cmn32480> DOH
[14:25:55] <cmn32480> Whoops!
[14:26:00] <cmn32480> anyway
[14:26:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> har!
[14:26:03] <sea> morning. So cmn32480, I see that you're all tired and looking for new editors. I'd like to be an editor.
[14:26:19] <cmn32480> sea - you are interested. That is an excellent first mistake
[14:26:30] <sea> Better than a terrible first mistake.
[14:26:35] <sea> I feel confident already
[14:26:38] <cmn32480> precisely!
[14:26:55] <cmn32480> whats your tz?
[14:27:17] <sea> I'm on an eastern Caribbean island, so UTC-5
[14:27:31] <cmn32480> ok
[14:27:34] <cmn32480> that works
[14:27:36] <sea> and I work during the day so yeah
[14:27:42] <sea> ie. I'm always online during the day.
[14:27:45] <cmn32480> lines up pretty well with most of the rest of us
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[14:27:58] <cmn32480> 3 of us are US eastcoast
[14:28:21] <cmn32480> janrinok is GMT
[14:28:24] <sea> Out of 9?
[14:28:36] * TheMightyBuzzard has location envy of sea
[14:28:41] <cmn32480> and CoolHand is US Central
[14:28:49] * cmn32480 offers a one way ticket
[14:28:58] <sea> I'll swap places with TheMightyBuzzard
[14:29:02] <cmn32480> ther are currentyl 5 of us taht are active
[14:29:12] <cmn32480> Podunk Tenneessee?
[14:29:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> how's the fishing and internet access there?
[14:29:47] <cmn32480> well.. this took a hard left...
[14:30:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, you wanna get him all fixeded up.
[14:30:13] <sea> Massively depleted fish stocks, don't fish. As for internet access, I'm not sure how I'd check.. is there like, a button I can press that will tell me if I'm online?
[14:30:27] <cmn32480> the big one marked "power"
[14:30:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll quit making noise
[14:30:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> for a few minutes
[14:30:49] * cmn32480 sighs
[14:30:59] <cmn32480> anyway
[14:31:36] <cmn32480> sea - what we will need to do is get you in touch with zz_janrinok as he is the editor in chief.
[14:31:53] <sea> Sure. What's his timezone?
[14:31:56] <cmn32480> he usually hops on IRC around now-ish
[14:31:59] <cmn32480> he is GMT
[14:32:04] <sea> I'll add this channel to my auto-join list.
[14:32:10] <cmn32480> that'td be great
[14:32:38] <cmn32480> what's your available time look like
[14:34:14] <sea> So, if now is time 0, I'm online on weekdays from time -2 (2 hours ago) to about 6 hours from now. I'm a programmer so I'm idle and staring at the screen most of the time.
[14:34:47] <cmn32480> ok
[14:35:24] <cmn32480> that lines up pretty well w/ both myself and janrinok. Bytram is a little more hit and miss due to his unusual work schedule, especially heading into the holidays.
[14:35:46] <sea> What's he do that has a weird schedule? I remember him from #soylent
[14:36:07] <cmn32480> currently in retail
[14:36:40] <cockroach> hey there. no idea if i'm really qualified for this but apparently you are looking for volunteers?
[14:36:49] <cmn32480> we are!
[14:36:58] <cockroach> so far so good :)
[14:38:03] <cmn32480> so far two people have opted to speak up,
[14:38:06] <cockroach> euhm. well, i would be interested. i quite enjoy soylentnews and if there is something i can do to help I think that would be a good thing
[14:38:11] <cmn32480> somethign for which I am eternally greatful;
[14:38:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> sea's added as an editor on dev
[14:39:10] <cmn32480> excellen
[14:39:14] <cmn32480> thanks Buzz.
[14:39:26] <sea> nifty. What's that mean? What's the setup like? I have an account..where?
[14:39:26] <cmn32480> can you see if cockroach has a dev account as well?
[14:39:33] <cmn32480> I don't know when that DB was last refreshed
[14:39:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> sea, https://dev.soylentnews.org
[14:39:40] <cmn32480> lol
[14:39:44] <exec> └─ 13Dev.SN: Dev.SN is dead developers
[14:39:46] <cmn32480> we have a developement server
[14:40:15] <cmn32480> mostly used byt TheMightyBuzzard and pj for breakings tuff before they break production
[14:40:30] <cockroach> heh
[14:40:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> cockroach added as editor on dev
[14:40:49] <sea> I see bewbs
[14:40:53] * sea is hooked
[14:40:57] <cockroach> fancy. thanks!
[14:41:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> what can i say, i like playing with bewbs.
[14:41:05] <cmn32480> as a happy happenstance, we also use it as a training and testing ground for stuff
[14:41:12] <cmn32480> we all do...
[14:41:49] <cmn32480> so the dev server is a relative mirror of the prodduction site.
[14:42:02] <cockroach> nice colours there :)
[14:42:11] <cmn32480> there are things that exist in dev that are set to be deployed in prod, but haven't been yet.
[14:42:18] <cmn32480> freel free to log in and change those.
[14:42:35] <cmn32480> I prefer OMG PONIES! for dev instead of the Geocities look
[14:43:34] <sea> editors notes?
[14:43:46] <cmn32480> our internal comments on a particular story.
[14:44:08] <cmn32480> you shoudl both see the admin bar across the top
[14:44:09] <sea> release time fastforward?
[14:44:23] * cmn32480 pulls on the reigns a touch
[14:44:29] <cmn32480> easy tiger
[14:44:34] <sea> Yeah, I see the top bar
[14:44:35] <cmn32480> we'll fget there!
[14:44:52] <cmn32480> Stories takes you to the current Story list
[14:45:25] <cmn32480> note - if you go into a story that resides in a nexus (Bewbs, Meta, etc), you will get the story list for THAT nexus until you go back to the main page
[14:45:47] <cockroach> aue, there's an admin bar
[14:45:49] <sea> oh? how do I know if I'm in a nexus?
[14:45:50] <cockroach> aye*
[14:46:57] <cmn32480> if the story list has the name of the nexus instead of Story List...
[14:47:04] <sea> so why are some stories red, some light-peach, and some..yellow/green?
[14:47:09] <cmn32480> that is incorrect
[14:47:22] <cmn32480> the colors will depend on your theme
[14:47:49] <cmn32480> it always says story list.
[14:47:59] <cmn32480> but there is a distinct difference in the content
[14:48:13] <cmn32480> the colors denote the status of the story
[14:48:28] <cmn32480> if you post a story, it will be one color
[14:48:40] <cmn32480> the color will change when the story gets a second edit from somebody else.
[14:49:30] <cmn32480> you will see a third color when someone ELSE has posted the story and it requires a second edit
[14:49:38] <cmn32480> what theme are you guys using?
[14:49:49] <cmn32480> the default is the April 1 theme
[14:49:56] <sea> Yeah, mine is all pink and white
[14:50:02] <cockroach> mine looks somewhat pinkish
[14:50:15] <cmn32480> pink is OMG PWNIES!
[14:50:29] <cockroach> sounds about right
[14:50:29] <sea> Cool. I liked the april 1st one. That was the bright yellow one
[14:50:34] <cmn32480> ugly as hell, but good to keep a different theme from production
[14:50:46] <cmn32480> yes
[14:51:01] <cmn32480> with a shitton of js and I get to watch the CPU used by my browser skyrocket
[14:51:52] <cmn32480> so in the OMG PWNIES theme, the pink stories are looking for an editorial second look.
[14:52:10] <cmn32480> this is generally preferred before a story hits the front page.
[14:52:46] <sea> I'll click on this one here..
[14:52:48] <cmn32480> green is stories that have been seconed already
[14:52:50] <sea> pfft, haha
[14:52:59] <sea> 'My two cents - I think they're quite nice'
[14:53:16] <cmn32480> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[14:53:19] <exec> └─ 13My two cents - Dev.SN
[14:53:42] <cmn32480> you see who has saved the story in the right hand slashbox at the top of the screen.
[14:53:56] <cmn32480> in the case of the link I just posted, all saves have been TMB
[14:54:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut?
[14:54:13] <cmn32480> If I sign off on the story, the color changes rto green
[14:54:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh
[14:54:30] <cmn32480> ~buzzkill
[14:54:31] <exec> .kick TheMightyBuzzard
[14:55:32] <cmn32480> if you go to the admin bar and choose the 56 submissions link
[14:55:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake cmn32480
[14:55:32] * MrPlow smakes cmn32480 upside the head with a semi-dessicated maggot-infested dead cat
[14:56:00] <CoolHand> cmn32480: I'm not central... I'm East... I can't help it my state is screwed up (in so many ways I can't count)
[14:57:03] * cmn32480 sits corrected
[14:57:28] <cmn32480> CoolHand - say good mornign to sea and cockroach. They have volunteered to look into becoming editors
[14:57:38] <sea> yo
[14:57:41] <sea> hi
[14:57:41] <cockroach> hey
[14:58:20] <cmn32480> so the submission list is exactly what is sound like
[14:58:29] <CoolHand> good mornign sea and cockroach..
[14:58:40] <CoolHand> I noticed that when back scrolling... yay! fresh meat!
[14:58:51] <cmn32480> it is the list of submissions (be they good, bad or ugly) that are what we select from to go out to the front page
[14:59:03] <sea> It's full of junk!
[14:59:03] <cmn32480> no shower threats this time, k?
[14:59:30] <cmn32480> yeah.. that isn't unusual even on prod
[14:59:30] <sea> So, hidden away behind the public-face of soylentnews, are a bunch of stories about TMB's butt
[14:59:42] <cmn32480> only on dev...
[14:59:48] <cmn32480> we already deleted them on prod
[14:59:54] <sea> lol
[15:00:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> my butt is entirely newsworthy. they're just jealous.
[15:00:35] * sea personally is a big fan of TheMightyBuzzard's butt
[15:00:40] <cmn32480> couple thigns to note in this list
[15:00:43] * sea sidles up to TheMightyBuzzard
[15:00:53] <cmn32480> sea - dont' encourage him!~
[15:00:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> it does sometimes need a good fanning, yes.
[15:01:05] <cmn32480> but it creates it's own wind
[15:01:27] <cmn32480> couple thigns to note in this list
[15:01:37] <cmn32480> 1) submissions by bots
[15:01:48] <cmn32480> x, exec, MrPlow
[15:02:01] <sea> Cool, so if I edit the notes they save automatically
[15:02:04] <cmn32480> all are bots that give us a link and a brief summary (usually 1 line)
[15:02:12] <cmn32480> only if you click upsdate
[15:02:19] <sea> There is no update button
[15:02:26] <sea> oh, it's way at the bottom
[15:02:48] <cmn32480> the above 3 come from IRC
[15:03:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, if you lot want a different account to edit from on the production server, get them created before you get officially off of training and let me know what they are.
[15:03:07] <cmn32480> Arthur T Knackerbracket is also a script
[15:03:12] <sea> Hold on
[15:03:15] <CoolHand> I saw sea is UTC-5.. didn't see where cockroach is located? is he elsewhere?
[15:03:18] <sea> How do you know the top 3 are from IRC?
[15:03:41] <cockroach> CoolHand: yeah, he's in CET
[15:03:43] <cmn32480> sea anythgin subbed by x, exec, or MrPlow came from IRC
[15:04:14] <sea> It doesn't say who submitted 'em..
[15:04:21] <sea> unless that's what the last oclumn is
[15:04:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://www.theregister.co.uk
[15:04:24] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[15:04:28] <cmn32480> that is the last column
[15:04:29] <cockroach> what's the difference between them then? x, exec and MrPlow?
[15:04:36] <exec> └─ 13Encrypted email sign-ups instantly double in wake of Trump victory • The Register
[15:04:47] <cmn32480> x is the test version of exec
[15:04:50] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[15:05:01] <cmn32480> I op exec, but crutchy is the programmer.
[15:05:22] <cmn32480> MrPLow is also a bot, written and opped by TMB
[15:05:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> different bots with different ways of handling submissions. MrPlow gives the submitter credit while exec doesn't for instance.
[15:05:33] <sea> still though..the top 3 are from jOE rANDOM uSER, mrcoolbp, and.. Anonymous Coward
[15:05:39] <cockroach> ah okay
[15:06:35] <cmn32480> yes. if you scroll down, you will see some from the bots
[15:06:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> they make for suck-ass submissions that create a fair bit of extra work for editors but it's better than not having any submissions at all.
[15:07:15] <cmn32480> Arthur T. Knackerbracket is also a script, created by janrinok he pulls the entire article (complete with links) into a sub
[15:08:17] <cockroach> ah nice
[15:08:50] <cmn32480> arthur trolls the #rss feed and can be very handy for us in dry spells
[15:08:53] <sea> would be handy if these columns were labeled..
[15:09:29] * cmn32480 never noticed that they weren't
[15:09:34] <sea> So, notes, what's this second one? Hold|Quik|Back, Nexus.., uhh..timestamp but you can tick a box?hrmm
[15:09:52] <sea> oh it's for deleting
[15:10:11] <cmn32480> the first drop from the left is for moving the queue
[15:10:28] <cmn32480> you can move the story to a hold queue to get it out of the main sub list
[15:10:41] <cmn32480> the second drop down is the nexus
[15:10:54] <cmn32480> that hasn't been implemented per say on production yet.
[15:10:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> sea, wait till you're officially on team and have an email address then harass paulej72 about it at least once a week.
[15:11:19] * sea adds to the todo list
[15:11:50] <cmn32480> the checkbox, allows for updates, merges and deletions.
[15:11:54] <CoolHand> cmn32480: per se... :)
[15:12:00] <cmn32480> updates will do things like move the queue.
[15:12:09] <cmn32480> delete is self explanatory
[15:12:26] <cmn32480> and a merge is when we combine multiple submissions into one story.
[15:12:35] <cmn32480> the date time si when it was submitted
[15:12:50] <cmn32480> the subject is the working title of the sub as put in by the submitter
[15:13:03] <cmn32480> and also the link ot the actual editing interface
[15:13:10] <cmn32480> and the last column is the submitter
[15:13:46] <cmn32480> if you scroll all the way to the bottom of the page (whenever you are on the site) you will see what stories somebody is editing
[15:13:49] -!- Phoenix666 [Phoenix666!~Phoenix66@2604:2000:7002:lqot:kmnj:zuoo:psxw:hkih] has joined #editorial
[15:14:05] <cmn32480> I see Cockroack in the Lazarus effect and sea in a dummy-Sat Oct. 8
[15:14:15] <cmn32480> heya phoenix
[15:14:19] <cmn32480> heya Phoenix666
[15:14:27] <cockroach> ah that's nice
[15:14:32] <Phoenix666> hi
[15:14:41] <cmn32480> it is NOT foolproof
[15:14:42] -!- MrPlow has quit [Quit: Powered by Rust.]
[15:14:48] <sea> oh, nifty
[15:14:55] <cmn32480> it gets out of date pretty quick
[15:15:19] <cmn32480> thatnks for all the stuff to work with Phoenix666. you make this a hella lot ewasier
[15:15:30] <Phoenix666> no problem!
[15:15:39] <CoolHand> Phoenix666: agree with cmn... thanks!
[15:15:45] <Phoenix666> i saw the call for editors. should i switch hats?
[15:15:59] -!- MrPlow [MrPlow!MrPlow@nsa.gov] has joined #editorial
[15:16:01] <CoolHand> I think you'd be welcome, but don't want to lose you as a submitter :)
[15:16:07] <cockroach> hi phoenix
[15:16:07] <cmn32480> sea and cockroach - Phoenix666 is our all time top submitter.
[15:16:27] <Phoenix666> *bows*
[15:16:35] <cockroach> nice to meet you
[15:16:35] <cmn32480> prolific and generally very good quality stuff
[15:16:50] <Phoenix666> mining the RSS feeds is easy
[15:17:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Phoenix666, hells no. keep submitting. i'd rather edit than lose you as a submitter.
[15:17:20] <CoolHand> well, it IS possible to do both.. takyon does..
[15:17:29] <CoolHand> and I occasionally submit something
[15:17:38] <CoolHand> although nowhere near on their levels
[15:18:02] <Phoenix666> i figure i generally have 1-2 cups of coffee worth of time to do stuff in in the mornings
[15:18:32] <Phoenix666> i've got a rhythm down with submitting, but if somebody needs to be spelled on editorial i can do that
[15:18:32] <CoolHand> I'd vote you keep submitting then.. :) it sure makes editing easier
[15:19:00] <Phoenix666> i actually think wonkey_monkey would make an excellent editor
[15:19:23] <Phoenix666> he's got the eye for detail
[15:19:31] <CoolHand> we desperately need someone in europe/asia... (IMHO)
[15:19:45] <Phoenix666> FatPhil?
[15:20:00] <Phoenix666> He's in Scandinavia
[15:20:07] * cockroach is in europe but has a somewhat shifted sleep cycle
[15:20:09] <cmn32480> FatPhil is Britain I think
[15:20:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok is in france but another european wouldn't hurt
[15:20:59] <Phoenix666> Maybe it would be good to specify that in the story thread
[15:21:16] <Phoenix666> i'm pretty sure there are a couple aussies too
[15:21:40] <cmn32480> it'd be nice.. but I'm happy to have any volunteers at this point
[15:21:53] <CoolHand> I don't thnk it's requirement, but its nice someone can keep an eye on things in the middle of our night.. and us not have to worry about stuffing the queue b4 bed...
[15:21:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy's in oz but he'd be as ornery as me at it
[15:22:02] <CoolHand> agreee with cmn32480 though.. will take what we can get
[15:22:26] <cmn32480> generally we are able to get the queue stuffed to 8-9am eastern before bed
[15:22:45] <cmn32480> and occassionally some of us wake in the middle of the nite and do s'more becasue we can't sleep
[15:23:06] <CoolHand> by "some of us" he doesn't mean CoolHand :)
[15:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> and once in a blue moon you all take the weekend off and i have to push a story while panicking =P
[15:23:50] <CoolHand> those are the dark days
[15:23:52] <cmn32480> that happened ONCE!
[15:24:32] <CoolHand> cmn32480: do u need to get back to training? we don't want to interrupt you?? (unless Phoenix666 is going to jump in after all)
[15:25:12] <cmn32480> sorry I got distracted
[15:25:12] <Phoenix666> alright, well i can edit if you guys need me to. i'd probably still submit something, too, but probably not as much. half a dozen would probably be my daily rate
[15:25:40] <sea> lol, carry on
[15:25:56] <cmn32480> Phoenix666 - I appreciate it. We will keep you in mind, but at this point, the queu has been pretty dry, and the biggest help is keep the stories submitting, please
[15:26:38] <Phoenix666> ok, will do. send me an email dakong27 at yahoo.com if you change your mind
[15:26:46] <cmn32480> I will.
[15:26:48] <cmn32480> Thank you
[15:26:51] <Phoenix666> np
[15:26:54] <Phoenix666> ta!
[15:27:01] <cmn32480> your contributions have been above and beyond, and are appreications
[15:27:14] -!- Phoenix666 has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[15:27:42] <sea> is that a yahoo email account?
[15:27:43] <cmn32480> ok
[15:27:47] <cmn32480> so where were we?
[15:27:55] <cmn32480> his is, yes
[15:28:13] <cmn32480> Phoenix isn't on staff
[15:28:13] <sea> Maybe someone should submit a story to SN: At least one SN editor uses yahoo mail.
[15:28:43] <cmn32480> and at least one of us still does... .
[15:28:54] <cmn32480> <---------
[15:29:12] * CoolHand has one, but doesn't really "use" it.. just for junk stuff
[15:29:13] <cmn32480> so anway...
[15:29:21] <cmn32480> that's the basic interface
[15:29:51] <cmn32480> you guys are already poking around in stories, whcih is good
[15:30:23] <cmn32480> what question do you ahve?
[15:31:04] <sea> Uhh, what does Promote to Story do?
[15:31:37] <cmn32480> ok
[15:31:38] <cockroach> why am i always about 2 seconds slower than sea?
[15:31:44] <cmn32480> that is in the "Preview" page
[15:32:15] <cmn32480> the promote to story box, is the first look at the submission
[15:32:35] <cmn32480> you may decide that it is over you head, or you can add a dept line and do basic editing in that view
[15:32:47] <cmn32480> if you click "Preview" you go inot the real editing interface
[15:33:06] <cmn32480> sea - cockroach and aI are in this one: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:33:08] <exec> └─ 13The Lazarus Effect: Saved by Linux and Cash Converters: Dev.SN Submission
[15:33:17] <cmn32480> pleae join us so that we are all looikgn at the same story
[15:34:24] <cmn32480> the Top of the page is what it will look like on the main page
[15:34:32] <cmn32480> it is the "Story Preview"
[15:35:29] <cmn32480> Scroll down adn you see the Editors notes
[15:35:40] <cmn32480> that is the same field as the submission list
[15:35:49] <cmn32480> so any notes that were there will show here
[15:35:58] <cockroach> nice
[15:36:16] <cmn32480> the ed notes field is a huge help to us
[15:36:34] <cmn32480> sometime eds will read the story, find a problem, but not have time to fix it, and it gets noted there.
[15:36:40] <cmn32480> corrected links get posted in there
[15:36:43] <cmn32480> original source links
[15:37:04] <cmn32480> opinions on the story as to whether is ought to get sent to the bin or a level of interest in the topic
[15:38:03] <cmn32480> as a side note, there is a GreaseMonkey script that Takyon has written that all the Eds except bytram use
[15:38:04] <cockroach> yeah, seems like a good way to do a bit of drive-by editing
[15:38:16] <cmn32480> cockroach - it is a BIG help
[15:38:34] <cmn32480> Note: bytram on IRC is Martyb on the site
[15:39:13] <sea> My backwards-reading skills are flaky
[15:39:23] <cmn32480> mine too
[15:39:30] <sea> I like bytram more
[15:39:33] <cmn32480> took me a couple weeks to get that figured out when I started
[15:39:46] <sea> Bytram reminds me of Byrus
[15:40:22] <cmn32480> bytram is a QA God
[15:40:54] <cmn32480> here is a link ot the grease monkey script
[15:40:54] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[15:41:03] <exec> └─ 13Journal of takyon (881)
[15:41:07] <cmn32480> takyon wrote it, and it makes editing a lot easier
[15:41:16] <cmn32480> adds buttons for lotsa stuff
[15:41:41] <cmn32480> to streamline things
[15:42:01] <cmn32480> if you learn the interface first, then put that in, you'll appreciate it a lot more
[15:42:48] <cockroach> aye
[15:43:10] <cmn32480> hit the + next to the box for topics
[15:43:41] <cockroach> oh, unexpected
[15:43:43] <sea> Topics..box?
[15:43:46] <cmn32480> hehehe
[15:44:13] <sea> Which topics box?
[15:44:16] <cmn32480> after you clicked preview, you scorll down a bit into the meat and potatoes of the editorial interface
[15:44:24] <cmn32480> do you block all javascript?
[15:44:38] <sea> Oh
[15:44:41] * sea fiddles with noscript
[15:44:49] <sea> I was looking the wrong place
[15:44:55] <cmn32480> JS is required for the editorial interface
[15:45:10] <sea> okie. Jesus this is ugly
[15:45:32] <cmn32480> lol
[15:46:01] <cmn32480> remember... this is basically the original code from 1997
[15:46:17] <sea> okiay
[15:46:25] * sea adds OS to the topic list
[15:46:38] <cockroach> it does look a bit ... improvised. in a good way. :)
[15:47:05] <cmn32480> two sections to that topics box
[15:47:09] <cmn32480> the Nexus adn the topic
[15:47:44] <sea> it does two things?
[15:47:45] <cmn32480> the nexus is an idea from NC that divides the site by major topics
[15:47:53] <cmn32480> Main Page.
[15:47:55] <cmn32480> Meta
[15:47:58] <cmn32480> Breaking News
[15:48:06] <cmn32480> Bewbs
[15:48:22] <cmn32480> the nexus determines where the story shows up
[15:48:27] <cmn32480> for instance
[15:48:38] <cmn32480> the election winner story from last week was under BReaking news
[15:49:04] <cmn32480> the editor volunteer call out that you two silly suckers responded to was under "Meta" becasue it pertains to the site
[15:49:33] <cmn32480> MOST stuff goes out under "The Main Page"
[15:50:03] <sea> unsigned, [] display?
[15:50:09] <sea> 100% matching with..?
[15:50:20] <cmn32480> sorry.. I'm trying to do my day job too!
[15:50:35] <cmn32480> unsigned, means that the story hasn't been seconded by another editor
[15:51:11] <cmn32480> the "Display" Checkcbox means that we can set the story to go out inot the queue, but make it not show up on the front page
[15:51:16] <cmn32480> for instance
[15:51:37] <cmn32480> the editors volunteer story was in the queue for about a week before it wen out as we made changes and adjustments
[15:52:02] <cmn32480> or - if we publish a dupe, and it gets picked up before it goes live, we can make it not go live
[15:52:08] <cmn32480> by unchecking that box
[15:53:21] <cmn32480> a small feature, but it saves us a lot of grief
[15:53:44] <cmn32480> the 100% matching is when multiple people are in the story
[15:53:53] <sea> sleepy
[15:53:57] <sea> sorry wrong chat
[15:54:01] <cmn32480> it's rather dry ain't it?
[15:54:02] <cockroach> haha
[15:54:36] <cmn32480> the title is self explanatory
[15:54:50] <cmn32480> the dept line is abotu the only place we get to be creative
[15:55:08] <cmn32480> and if you put stuff in there, and use spaces, the field will auto replace them with dashes
[15:55:36] <cmn32480> personally, I like using a pun if possible, btu anythign funny quip, movie line, or whathaveyou will work
[15:55:51] <cmn32480> just be respectful on stories where somebody dies
[15:56:14] <cockroach> aye
[15:56:28] <cmn32480> the author should ahve your name in it
[15:56:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless it's me. i authorize dick n fart jokes in such case.
[15:56:43] <sea> I can set somebody else as the author?
[15:56:45] <cmn32480> unless you aree seconding a story, in whcih case it will have the originall publishing author's name
[15:57:07] <cmn32480> sea - I believe you can, but I don't know that any of us ever have
[15:57:32] <sea> Intro Copy
[15:57:34] <cmn32480> the comment status allows us to put a story out that does NOT allow community comments
[15:57:57] <cmn32480> Release time is where we lose stories most of the time
[15:58:19] <cmn32480> push stories at roughly 90 minute intervals, based on how full the queue is
[15:58:35] <cmn32480> try to avoid releasing on the 0 and the 5
[15:58:50] <cmn32480> basically, we shoot for a random interval between stories
[15:58:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> intro copy is the "above the fold" stuff
[15:59:07] <cmn32480> the intro copy is the summary that you see on the front page
[15:59:15] <sea> Ah, and the extended copy is the 'read more' stuff?
[15:59:24] <cmn32480> BINGO
[15:59:43] <cmn32480> if you use the extended copy the last thing in the Intro ought to be [Continues...]
[15:59:46] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders off to do other things
[15:59:48] <cmn32480> with the brackets
[15:59:57] <cmn32480> finally!
[16:00:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> text me if someone else wanders in needing ed privs on dev
[16:00:30] <cmn32480> 10-4
[16:01:48] <cmn32480> this is all the HTML behind the stories on the front page
[16:02:22] <cmn32480> I have no idea what the media field is for
[16:02:39] <cockroach> looks reasonable so far. i'm sure more questions will come up eventually...
[16:02:39] <cmn32480> this is the interface where you spend most of your time as an editor
[16:02:50] <cmn32480> as soon as you start doing stuff most likely
[16:03:03] <cockroach> indeed
[16:03:07] <cmn32480> note the story admin slashbox on the right hand side
[16:03:35] <cmn32480> this is where you can see where the story is gonna fall based on the time you put in the release time box
[16:04:11] <cockroach> ah nice
[16:04:42] <cmn32480> as you change things on the page, the release time, the intro copy, whatever. the Preview button is your best friend
[16:04:48] <cmn32480> let me repeat that
[16:05:01] <cockroach> :)
[16:05:33] <cmn32480> it will place the story in the time slot you've set, and you can see if adjustments are needed without actually saving to the story queue.
[16:05:53] <cmn32480> it also lets you look at the changes you made in the copy boxes to see what it is gonna look like
[16:06:06] <cmn32480> are the <blockquote> tags in the correct place?
[16:06:21] <cmn32480> ir any of the other bits and pieces.
[16:07:29] <cmn32480> once you are satisfied with your changes, you click save.
[16:07:48] <cmn32480> that will post the story to the storys list
[16:08:33] <CoolHand> preview++
[16:08:33] <Bender> karma - preview: 1
[16:08:38] <cmn32480> hells yes
[16:08:52] <cmn32480> that's the basics
[16:09:04] * cmn32480 turns off the firehose for a moment to rest his fingers
[16:09:24] <cockroach> thanks for all the explanations, that would have taken a while to figure out on my own
[16:09:31] <CoolHand> when finalizing, I like to do it with display off to make sure my time is right, then I'll go back in and turn display on.. (i sometimes have trouble with the times.. :) )
[16:09:33] <cmn32480> zz_janrinok is gonna shit when he has to read all this backscroll\
[16:09:38] <CoolHand> lol
[16:09:54] <CoolHand> it'll b good for him
[16:10:02] <cmn32480> test his eyesite and patience?
[16:10:14] <sea> okie
[16:10:20] <sea> So, same thing on prod
[16:10:21] <cmn32480> so sea and cockroach, you guys have editorial privs on dev.
[16:10:27] <cmn32480> yes
[16:10:36] <cmn32480> but we are gonna practice before we unleash you on the world
[16:10:56] * sea hides his death ray. "Of course."
[16:11:15] <CoolHand> if you need to "delete" a story, u put all time and date fields with zeroes... that's a handy protip
[16:11:26] <cmn32480> ummmm
[16:11:29] <cmn32480> we try not to do that
[16:11:39] <CoolHand> oh.. well, last I knew.. sorry
[16:11:50] <cmn32480> set it for no display, and there are those above us on the admin chain that can actually delete stories
[16:12:02] <cmn32480> it is a good way to hide a story
[16:12:10] <cmn32480> for instance, if we post somethign twice
[16:12:21] <cmn32480> and I mean the exact same sub
[16:12:48] <cmn32480> you double click on save or hit F5 on the stories screen after posting a story, it'll happen
[16:13:06] <CoolHand> I've accidentally created "the exact same sub" a few times after editing, hit backspace then save it again (instead of going in by clicing story)
[16:13:07] <cmn32480> Bytram and mrcoolbp can delete stories from the story queue
[16:13:18] <cmn32480> ^^^what he said
[16:13:25] <cmn32480> I've done ti too
[16:13:58] <CoolHand> that's when I zeroed them out.. that's what I was told to do, but procedures apparently changed.. :)
[16:14:06] <sea> Right, okay
[16:14:16] <cockroach> aye. i will do some wild clicking around later tonight on dev
[16:14:21] <cmn32480> I'm not sying it don't happen... just that we dont' encourage it
[16:14:25] <sea> So if I screw up and make a dupe, un-display it and someone will splat it
[16:14:37] <cmn32480> pretty much!
[16:14:52] <cmn32480> play around in the terface.
[16:14:59] <cmn32480> s/terface/interface/
[16:15:01] <exec> <cmn32480> play around in the interface.
[16:15:25] <cmn32480> the eds are generally available in this channel
[16:15:25] <CoolHand> big advice is grow a thick skin... can't take shite too personal...
[16:15:46] <cmn32480> and here we watch the backscroll
[16:15:57] <cmn32480> Collhand - most definetly
[16:16:22] <cmn32480> IRC is the best way to get a hold of most of us
[16:16:29] <cockroach> cool
[16:16:31] <cmn32480> but we all have sn email addresses
[16:16:50] <cmn32480> mine woudl be cmn32480 at soylentnews . org
[16:17:11] <cmn32480> also - the ~tell command will have exec leave us a message
[16:17:12] <CoolHand> mine's never gotten properly setup... maybe when we get these guys setup, I can get mine... :)
[16:17:25] <cockroach> :)
[16:17:28] <cmn32480> talk to mechanicjsy
[16:17:42] <cmn32480> talk to mechanicjay <--- Coolhand
[16:17:50] <cmn32480> or pj
[16:17:59] <CoolHand> yeah, that's what was said last time and I could never hook up with them, and then eventually forgot..
[16:18:05] <cmn32480> lol
[16:18:15] <CoolHand> :D
[16:18:21] <cmn32480> the ~tell command works like this:
[16:18:35] <cmn32480> ~tell cmn32480 you are a butthead
[16:18:57] <cmn32480> you then get a pm from exec saying that he saved the message
[16:19:07] <cmn32480> next time that person talks, he delivers it
[16:19:25] <CoolHand> ~tell cmn32480 you are a butthead
[16:19:32] <cmn32480> thatnks
[16:19:42] <CoolHand> hah
[16:20:18] <cmn32480> any questions?
[16:20:25] <sea> Hmm
[16:20:40] * cmn32480 has 11 minnutes before he has to get on a conference call
[16:20:54] <sea> So we basically just sit and watch the submissions, pick new ones, clean them up and stuff, and then hit save?
[16:21:02] <cmn32480> yep
[16:21:07] <sea> Oh, and set the time to sometime after the latest time on the stories list in the sidebar?
[16:21:09] <cmn32480> and add a funny dept line
[16:21:10] <sea> in a random thingie
[16:21:19] <cmn32480> yes
[16:21:25] <cmn32480> some require more cleanup than others
[16:21:36] <cmn32480> the bot subs require the most work
[16:22:18] <cmn32480> I'll try to dump some actual subs from prod to the dev queue this afternoon for you
[16:22:37] <cmn32480> some take 2 minutes to edit
[16:22:55] <cmn32480> others, may toake 20 or 30, depending on the content
[16:25:07] * cmn32480 has a phone call in 5 min and needs to pee first
[16:25:59] <sea> pfft, Pee during the phone call
[16:26:12] <CoolHand> I'll be in and out for the rest of day, can try to answer questions.. but not guaranteeing anything
[16:26:22] * CoolHand ain't real bright... but strong as an OX
[16:26:44] <sea> So you're as bright as said ox
[16:27:02] <CoolHand> SoylentSnow: somethin like that
[16:27:07] <CoolHand> oops
[16:27:19] <CoolHand> scratch that. that was for you see
[16:27:39] sea is now known as SoylentSnow`
[16:27:50] <cmn32480> lol
[16:28:03] <cmn32480> and remember.. if you have IRC questions, we can prolly answer them too
[16:28:16] -!- SoylentSnow [SoylentSnow!~4ac81ad4@540.04.038-02.q7.net] has joined #editorial
[16:28:17] * cmn32480 had never used IRC before coming on staff
[16:28:21] <CoolHand> I'm honestly nowhere near as good as cmn with all the IRC stuff...
[16:29:07] <CoolHand> welcome snow... cmn has been training this morning, but doesn't have time now.. and I'm not sure I do either, but if you stay hanging out someone can probably work with you at some point..
[16:29:49] <SoylentSnow`> hehehe
[16:29:50] <SoylentSnow> Oh, thanks. I'm at work now, but I usually have large breaks of boredom, so I though I could pitch in.
[16:29:57] <SoylentSnow`> CoolHand: I just got here
[16:30:08] <SoylentSnow`> CoolHand: May I be an editor?
[16:30:27] <SoylentSnow> Who is this imposter?
[16:30:35] <cmn32480> sea - cutr it out
[16:30:48] <SoylentSnow`> oh the original is here
[16:30:49] SoylentSnow` is now known as sea
[16:31:16] <cmn32480> :-)
[16:31:23] <sea> I don't get JOIN/PART notifications
[16:31:33] <sea> I might miss stuff sometims
[16:31:35] <sea> anyways
[16:31:44] <cmn32480> is good
[16:31:56] <cmn32480> if that is the worst thing you do, you are doing a FINE job
[16:32:08] <cmn32480> Loggie
[16:32:16] <CoolHand> ..and normally may be encouraged, just not with new recruits.. ;)
[16:32:25] <cmn32480> SoylentSnow - check the editorial log at the website above.
[16:32:53] <cmn32480> from today for the last hour or so
[16:32:56] <sea> That's the most useless log I've ever seen
[16:33:00] <sea> All I get are timestamps
[16:33:02] <sea> No messages
[16:33:07] <cmn32480> it is the text of what we have just done.
[16:33:15] <SoylentSnow> So what exactly does being an editor entail? I'm guessing basically approving stories and making slight adjustments to the text if needed. That and submitting stories as you come across them?
[16:33:20] <SoylentSnow> I'll look at the link.
[16:33:31] <sea> oh, these are dates to select
[16:33:37] <cmn32480> that is the basics of the training I just went through
[16:33:59] <cmn32480> short version is that we are the ones who approve adn adjust the stories
[16:34:18] <cmn32480> some require more worj than others
[16:34:54] <cmn32480> some stories take a few minutes, some take 20-30, it all depends on the quality of the sub
[16:34:55] <SoylentSnow> okay, that link appears to be a full log of chat sorted by channel and day.
[16:35:00] <cmn32480> correct
[16:35:08] <SoylentSnow> that's a lot of reading, and I'm guesing most is inane
[16:35:16] <SoylentSnow> any date I should focus on?
[16:35:41] <CoolHand> we have to do a lot of inane reading..
[16:35:47] <CoolHand> SoylentSnow: today, last hour
[16:35:56] <SoylentSnow> okay
[16:36:09] <cmn32480> once you get access to the dev server, you should be able to look at the log adn follow along
[16:36:26] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard, please add SoylentSnow on dev
[16:37:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoylentSnow, what's your account name?
[16:37:18] <cmn32480> Thanks Bizz
[16:39:21] * TheMightyBuzzard waits patiently
[16:40:52] <cmn32480> SoylentSnow - if we can get your account name, we cna get you set up on dev as an editor so you cna look through things
[16:45:39] <CoolHand> I'm pretty sure it's just "snow".. that's how he annouonced himself earlier and I checked out sn.org/~snow which seemed likely..
[16:59:23] <cmn32480> https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:59:26] <exec> └─ 13Submission guidelines - SoylentNews
[16:59:54] <cmn32480> https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[16:59:57] <exec> └─ 13Editors - SoylentNews
[17:00:15] <cmn32480> sea and cockroach - check out the two links above for some additional guidelines and such
[17:00:23] * cmn32480 forgot they were there
[17:04:40] <cockroach> cmn32480: thanks, will read
[17:04:52] <cmn32480> np cockroach.
[17:05:19] <cmn32480> if you got questions we probably don't have the answer.. but we'll make up something plausible
[17:05:45] <cockroach> haha
[17:26:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, yall on your own till a couple hours from now. going for a nap.
[17:27:14] * cmn32480 sets a time for 15 minutes to start texting at random intervals
[17:27:43] <SoylentSnow> sorry guys, my account name is Snow
[17:27:53] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard,
[17:28:06] <cmn32480> your timing could NOT have been better
[17:28:10] <SoylentSnow> I just finished reading the chat log from today... cmn is a typing machine
[17:28:37] <cmn32480> SoylentSnow - we will get you set up on dev soon as TheMightyBuzzard wakes his ass up from a nap that lazy bastard
[17:29:00] <cockroach> great timing indeed :)
[17:29:15] <SoylentSnow> haha, sounds good. The explanations are a little confusing without any context :)
[17:29:27] <cmn32480> cmn typs fast and often without correcting hisself
[17:29:43] <cmn32480> my typoing skills are famous
[17:29:52] <SoylentSnow> I see!
[17:31:48] <cmn32480> janrinok may try to get on a little later. he emailed me saying he was having car trouble
[17:32:01] <cmn32480> SoylentSnow - janrinok is our current editor in chief
[17:34:21] <SoylentSnow> Okay, no worries. I'm at work anyways, so I can pop in and out pretty much all day. I might dissapear unexpectedly though...
[17:34:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake cmn32480
[17:34:55] * MrPlow smakes cmn32480 upside the head with a raw steak
[17:35:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> lucked out, i'm chowing on some pizza pockets first
[17:35:36] <cmn32480> I deserved that
[17:36:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's hooked up
[17:36:33] <cmn32480> much obliged!
[17:36:39] <cmn32480> can you do julian as well?
[17:36:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> hit up mechanicjay or audioguy later for email addresses and Deucalion for irc privs
[17:36:47] <cmn32480> though his acocunt is pretty new and may not exist
[17:37:04] <cmn32480> we are gonna wait and see if once they play a bit they still wanna do it
[17:37:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, doesn't. have him sign up on dev then give me the account name
[17:37:29] <cmn32480> 10-4 gay buddy
[17:37:50] * TheMightyBuzzard pinches cmn32480's butt
[17:38:08] * cmn32480 jumps!
[17:38:53] <cmn32480> tease
[17:39:58] -!- cockroach has quit [Quit: back later]
[17:40:42] <SoylentSnow> I can see the admin bar on dev now, thanks. I'll poke around!
[17:40:56] <cmn32480> the log ought to make a lot more sense now
[17:42:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i'd promote you to admin on dev but you'd still need to run three command line commands after promoting anyone to editor.
[17:43:20] * cmn32480 doesn't speak commadn line
[17:43:30] <cmn32480> as is evidence by his typoing
[17:43:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> that and you don't have that kinda access, yep
[17:43:43] <cmn32480> SoylentSnow - let me knwo if you ahve any questions.
[17:43:57] * cmn32480 is blessed by simply being a peom
[17:44:08] <sea> I typo all the time while on the command line! It's never caused me any prob#(*&$CANNOT FIND LIBC.SO
[17:44:38] <cmn32480> shit.. 17 min to suck down lunch before the next set of conference calls
[17:45:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, pizza pockets are on their way to becoming a turd and i'm on my way to napland. back in a couple hours.
[17:45:51] <cmn32480> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[17:45:53] * exec insatiably spews a shoe of beer-brand beer on TheMightyBuzzard
[17:57:00] <chromas> eat during the call
[17:57:41] <cmn32480> that is my plan
[17:58:33] <chromas> That's why videophones didn't take off
[17:58:54] <cmn32480> lol
[17:59:49] <cmn32480> I think it was all the naked people
[18:00:12] <chromas> Why not all three?
[18:00:31] <chromas> Naked eating in the bathroom
[18:16:02] zz_janrinok is now known as janrinok
[18:16:17] <CoolHand> uh-oh... he's awake...
[18:16:21] <CoolHand> :) welcome janrinok
[18:16:49] <janrinok> ~gday CoolHand, nearly time for my bed, let alone be awake!
[18:16:51] * exec romantically prepares an ntfs volume of totally legit parameters for CoolHand,
[18:17:16] <CoolHand> ah.. well, don't try to catch up on scrollback then... :)
[18:17:29] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[18:17:31] * exec provocatively crams a lifetime supply of glowballs into janrinok
[18:17:32] * janrinok starts scrolling back ....
[18:17:44] <cmn32480> see you in an hour or so
[18:17:44] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480 - still 2 volunteers?
[18:17:47] * exec sardonically hangs a trigger warning sign about a mouthful of mana on cmn32480
[18:17:48] <cmn32480> 4
[18:17:53] <janrinok> wow
[18:18:04] <cmn32480> sent you an email
[18:18:09] <cmn32480> w/ nicks
[18:18:32] <cmn32480> I know... I was floored
[18:18:36] <janrinok> thx - I'm still trying to catch up - been a busy day
[18:18:54] <CoolHand> cmn32480 didn't even scare them off when he chatted with them.. pretty amazing
[18:23:23] <cmn32480> I did ok
[18:23:31] <cmn32480> perhaps boring.. but not overly scary
[18:24:12] * janrinok is just trying to catch up with whatever has happened today
[18:25:28] <cmn32480> take your time
[18:25:34] <cmn32480> we know you are old and kinda slow
[18:27:10] <chromas> "I'm givin' it all she's got, captain! The little finger canno' take no more wheel scrollin'!"
[18:27:36] <cmn32480> his scroll wheel si starting to smoke
[18:28:08] <chromas> Deleting the clickstops from the wheel is the greatest thing I've ever done
[18:30:18] * cmn32480 passes a brace for the impending carpal
[18:45:33] <janrinok> I think you are all very rude to me!
[18:46:55] <cmn32480> :-p
[18:47:16] <janrinok> a day like I've had, and I have to put up with people like this!
[18:47:17] <CoolHand> janrinok: notice I didn't take part in their delinquency
[18:47:31] <janrinok> it's no good trying to hide now CH
[18:47:34] <CoolHand> I only put down cmn.. :)
[18:47:50] <janrinok> fair enough - you're forgiven
[18:48:45] <CoolHand> yay.. I've been practicing my brown-nosing.. glad to see I'm getting better
[18:49:05] <janrinok> correction: you're forgiven, this time
[18:49:40] <janrinok> I hope that was only a quick and dirty intro over the last few pages ...
[18:54:05] <janrinok> cmn32480, did you pass them this link? https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[18:54:07] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[18:55:51] <cmn32480> yes
[18:56:01] <janrinok> thks - I missed it
[18:56:55] <cmn32480> yep
[18:57:03] <cmn32480> told them to play adn ask questions
[18:57:52] <janrinok> sounds fair enough
[18:58:35] <janrinok> I still think that we ought to hand-hold one-on-one for at least a story or 2
[18:59:01] <cmn32480> agreed
[18:59:10] <cmn32480> but I'm at work
[18:59:22] <janrinok> yep, not at this very minute :)
[18:59:32] <cmn32480> :-P
[18:59:44] <cmn32480> and I can' oly do so much
[18:59:57] <cmn32480> I thought it best to walk them through the interface on dev adn let them look at things
[18:59:59] <janrinok> when I get my car back (tomorrow) I should be able to get back into the rhythm again
[19:00:25] <janrinok> I'll run Arthur to provide some testing stories
[19:01:33] <cmn32480> golly arthur runs from a car now.. he IS pretty advanced for a pythgin script
[19:01:58] <janrinok> got to plug the computer into something ...
[19:02:03] <cmn32480> ahhh
[19:02:15] * janrinok notes the sounds of MASH starting on TV in the next room
[19:04:53] * janrinok spent a HUGE part of today walking to and from the shops, pharmacy and post office, which normally would have taken no more than an hour
[19:08:30] <CoolHand> cmn32480: that wasn't the exact URL u gave them I don't think..
[19:09:05] <CoolHand> I think you gave wiki/Editors and jan put wiki/Editing_Process ...
[19:09:29] <cmn32480> the Editors page has the rest of the links on it
[19:09:39] <CoolHand> yah..
[19:10:09] <janrinok> ~tell sea, SoylentSnow, cockroach, https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[19:10:17] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[19:10:24] <janrinok> ~tell SoylentSnow https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[19:10:26] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[19:10:28] <cmn32480> does that work for multiple peopel?
[19:10:34] <janrinok> ~tell cockroach https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[19:10:37] <exec> └─ 13Editing Process - SoylentNews
[19:11:29] <cmn32480> sorry if I usurped janrinok
[19:12:23] <janrinok> np - I just want them to read the most important docs so they know about the 'standards' that we are trying to maintain. Thanks for giving them the into
[19:12:27] <janrinok> intro*
[19:14:33] <cmn32480> thought it best to strike while the iron was hot
[19:14:43] <cmn32480> and TMB egged me on
[19:15:32] <janrinok> so I noticed - but at least they are set up on dev, have been given the quick intro, and (if we haven't put them off yet) they are ready to start a quick course
[19:16:17] * cmn32480 thoguht what he gave WAS the quick course...
[19:16:25] * cmn32480 left the indepth stuff for janrinok
[19:17:47] <janrinok> we'll let them play a bit first so that they find out what they can do, and what they don't understand
[19:18:42] <janrinok> then I'd suggest that we hand-hold them on a couple of stories to reinforce what they have learned.
[19:19:52] <CoolHand> IMHO, the technical stuff is easy to grasp, it's the "other stuff" that's a bit trickier.. the preferred style, knowing what kind of articles, avoiding clickbait, etc, etc...
[19:19:54] <cmn32480> agreed
[19:20:20] <cmn32480> then you dind't show up like planned (car trouble my ass).... and I got carried away
[19:20:45] <janrinok> If my world settles down, I should be good to start tomorrow pm sometime or Wednesday at the latest. If you have any spare capacity, or martyb/CH, we can walk them through and have a decision perhaps by weekend
[19:21:36] <janrinok> I didn't even know the story was out! But you wrote a good meta and it has started the ball rolling.
[19:21:41] * cmn32480 notes that the translation of "pharmacy" is likely liquor store
[19:21:53] <cmn32480> we pushed it last night
[19:22:05] <cmn32480> queue was sparse... and bytram and said WTH
[19:22:18] <janrinok> Unfortunately, it wasn't for me, otherwise it would have been something a little stronger ....
[19:22:42] * janrinok notes that cmn has so far blamed TMB and now bytram ...
[19:22:48] <cmn32480> hoarding the good stuff no doubt
[19:22:59] <cmn32480> and my name is all over it
[19:23:11] * cmn32480 takes the lions share fo the blame
[19:23:21] <cmn32480> or credit... whatever
[19:23:52] <CoolHand> somebody is good at finger pointing...
[19:24:03] <CoolHand> u can point here man.. I don't care if they fire me
[19:24:05] <CoolHand> ;)
[19:24:06] <janrinok> you'll be next to be blamed CH
[19:24:08] <cmn32480> says the guy who was tossing in his 2 cents at every turn
[19:24:14] <CoolHand> LOL, exactly :)'
[19:25:12] <CoolHand> although to be fair, I didn't know that you were running some sort of covert underground operation here..
[19:25:15] <CoolHand> haha
[19:25:34] <janrinok> and so it begins ...
[19:25:41] <cmn32480> underground?
[19:25:54] <cmn32480> if it was underground, I woudl have put it in a non-logged channel!
[19:25:58] <CoolHand> ...and so it begins.... needles and pins-ah..
[19:26:10] <janrinok> you are showing your age!
[19:26:21] <CoolHand> :)
[19:26:25] <janrinok> The Hollies?
[19:26:34] <CoolHand> naw, the remake... Petty...
[19:26:44] <janrinok> remake, what remake?
[19:26:45] <CoolHand> still old though
[19:27:08] <janrinok> Hollies were 1960s - I think I have just blown my cover ...
[19:27:38] <CoolHand> http://www.youtube.com
[19:27:40] <exec> └─ 13Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers Needles And Pins - YouTube
[19:28:51] <cmn32480> nope.. yer hair left eons ago
[19:29:10] <janrinok> still got a full head of hair. Keep it in a box under the bed.
[19:29:18] <CoolHand> haha, good one..
[19:29:25] <CoolHand> I'll have to remember that for when I get 90...
[19:29:27] <CoolHand> :)
[19:29:29] <cmn32480> so do I... technically it just migrated south... for the winter...
[19:29:55] <janrinok> Just filled in my paperwork for the State Pension - which begins for me in January
[19:30:26] * cmn32480 demands a corresponding reduction in janrinok's editorial pay
[19:31:00] <janrinok> what rate are we starting the new guys on? Our rate - 10%?
[19:31:12] <cmn32480> and as a side note, TMB threatened to make me an admin on dev
[19:31:24] <cmn32480> there are potentially 4 of them...
[19:31:27] <janrinok> yeah, I saw that. Sent shivers down my spine!
[19:31:41] * cmn32480 doens't know if the budget has that kind of $$
[19:32:02] <janrinok> you have to pay for quality - which is why they have ended up with us.
[19:32:12] <cmn32480> touche...
[19:32:19] <CoolHand> lol.. yeah, that's a good one
[19:32:28] <CoolHand> janrinok is full of 'em today..
[19:32:50] <janrinok> had a lot of thinking time while walking miles today
[19:33:17] <janrinok> actually got offered a lift when I was about 50 yards from my destination
[19:33:22] <cmn32480> just think how much further it woudl have been had you done it in kilometers
[19:33:32] <janrinok> 1.6 times
[19:33:42] <cmn32480> be thankful it was miles!
[19:33:42] <CoolHand> did u take the lift?
[19:33:54] <janrinok> no but I did thank him profusely
[19:34:01] * cmn32480 is a touch surprised he didn't Uber it
[19:34:12] <janrinok> I knew him by sight, so he wasn't offended
[19:34:39] <janrinok> Uber - here? doesn't exist in this part of France
[19:34:46] <cmn32480> that's right
[19:34:47] <CoolHand> janrinok has such english sensibility... worrying about offending people offering him rides...
[19:34:50] <cmn32480> you live in the sticks
[19:34:54] <janrinok> yep
[19:35:02] <janrinok> well, we call it rural
[19:35:38] <cmn32480> tomato tomahto
[19:35:47] <CoolHand> the boonies...
[19:36:15] <CoolHand> bfe
[19:36:16] <janrinok> ... and of course for Uber I would need a smart phone
[19:36:41] <cmn32480> yeah.. I guess your cord doesn't stretch that far
[19:36:45] <sea> Thanks, jan
[19:36:56] <janrinok> my 2 tin cans and a piece of wet string doesn't help much
[19:37:08] <janrinok> sea - good to have you join us
[19:37:10] <sea> I was in a meeting. The other devs wanted to tell me how awful my code is.
[19:37:11] <sea> Thanks
[19:37:30] <janrinok> things won't get any better here - we love to insult each other
[19:37:42] <sea> Yeah, I've seen in #Soylent
[19:37:55] <sea> I didn't just pop up out of the
[19:37:58] <janrinok> you've caught us on a polite day too
[19:38:17] * sea prods cmn32480
[19:38:20] * sea pokes cmn32480
[19:38:28] <sea> Be impolite. Lemme see
[19:38:34] * cmn32480 pluls the plug and drains the sea
[19:38:35] <sea> Do stuff.
[19:38:38] <sea> OH GOD!
[19:39:14] <janrinok> oh, someone is 2nd'ing as fast as I am editing
[19:39:22] <cmn32480> not me
[19:39:31] <janrinok> no, they appear quite competent
[19:39:31] * CoolHand hides in the corner
[19:39:38] <cmn32480> ZING
[19:39:53] <cmn32480> did you yell BAZINGA! after pressing enter?
[19:40:09] <janrinok> don't know that one - must be a TV thing
[19:40:49] <cmn32480> yes
[19:40:59] <janrinok> well, that and my age
[19:41:01] <cmn32480> forgot you are still on black adn white radio
[19:41:11] <janrinok> with static and only 425 lines!
[19:41:32] <janrinok> BBC voices, and adverts that are better than US programs
[19:41:33] <cmn32480> lol
[19:43:35] <janrinok> cmn32480, you did a good job of draining sea ...
[19:43:49] <cmn32480> that extra Tablespoon helped a lot
[19:49:11] <sea> I love to be drained.
[19:49:12] <sea> Again.
[19:49:18] * sea licks cmn32480
[19:49:37] * janrinok thinks this guy fits in too well
[19:50:45] <janrinok> sea, if you have any questions, just shout out
[19:50:50] <sea> yep
[19:51:12] * janrinok usually makes offers like that just before he leaves :)
[19:53:02] <cmn32480> janrinok - you bastard
[19:53:13] <janrinok> yep - so what's new?
[19:59:33] <janrinok> cmn32480, that was good advice you gave to P666, by the way. He is currently more valuable as a submitter than as an editor, but I have no objection to him joining the team if he wishes
[20:00:01] <CoolHand> that is my P.O.V also..
[20:05:09] <cmn32480> thanks
[20:05:15] <cmn32480> on a webex w/ software support atm
[20:05:27] <janrinok> I*'m just
[20:05:38] <janrinok> I'm just fruggling my spoticks
[20:06:24] * sea despromulates the frugglionator
[20:12:06] <janrinok> that made my eyes water
[20:13:46] <sea> The other devs call my code 'inception code'
[20:13:53] <sea> Too much recursion
[20:14:44] * sea splits into uncountably many copies of himself, then introduces each of himselves to all of the others
[20:14:46] <janrinok> recursion is alright when used properly, IMHO
[20:14:58] * TheMightyBuzzard curses at sea. pauses. and then recurses at sea.
[20:15:23] <janrinok> ... and that was an example of it being used improperly
[20:15:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake janrinok
[20:15:24] * MrPlow smakes janrinok upside the head with an NCommander novel
[20:15:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> both of you, stay away from my codebase
[20:15:52] <janrinok> oh no! not an NCommander novel. That is inhumane and cruel treatment
[20:16:21] <sea> NCommander writes novels?
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[20:16:43] <Cmn32480_phone> not to mention heavy enough to give a concussion
[20:16:50] <janrinok> every time he touches a keyboard! Why use 1 word when 1000 will do?
[20:16:56] <Cmn32480_phone> only for us sea
[20:17:22] <janrinok> we ought to include one in our training stories for new eds!
[20:17:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[20:18:17] <Cmn32480_phone> guaranteed to scare them off
[20:18:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, copy pasta one of the how to write a dos tsr keylogger articles.
[20:18:27] <sea> Bring on the NCommander
[20:18:32] * sea prods NCommander with a stick
[20:18:46] <Cmn32480_phone> sorry am on a support session with a vendor and he has control of my pc
[20:18:46] <janrinok> ooh, we might regret that ...
[20:18:47] <sea> Isn't NCommander the one who started SN in the first place?
[20:19:06] <janrinok> not quite, but he has been here from the start
[20:19:20] <Cmn32480_phone> and out comes the dirty laundry
[20:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's the one who made it work in the first place. not the initial "hey, we should..." guy
[20:19:31] <sea> Who was that first guy?
[20:19:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> barbarus?
[20:19:45] * sea scans through the meta stuff
[20:19:47] <janrinok> pandora's box creaks open
[20:19:47] * Cmn32480_phone passes the soap
[20:20:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, however you spell it, that guy
[20:20:30] <Cmn32480_phone> sea go back to the very beginning and read it. All public. even the irc logs
[20:21:02] <janrinok> it was a very rocky road at the beginning
[20:21:06] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders out for a smoke
[20:21:26] <sea> Didn't look like a rocky road to me..
[20:21:50] <sea> What's the max uid right now?
[20:22:04] <Cmn32480_phone> it was. all kinds of drama... and I was just a user at that point
[20:22:13] <cmn32480> !uid\
[20:22:15] <janrinok> it took a lot of work to get where we are, and NC has driven most of that
[20:22:17] <cmn32480> !uid
[20:22:17] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6407, owned by greenlentil
[20:22:36] <sea> Nifty
[20:22:52] <cmn32480> the bots are very handy once you learn their commands
[20:23:16] <janrinok> but they are not all active on every channel
[20:23:28] <cmn32480> correct
[20:23:49] <sea> Right. Back to work for me. Gotta dance and un-recursionate these functions
[20:23:49] * cmn32480 notes that bytram is still hiding
[20:24:26] * janrinok thought it was quiet
[20:24:34] <cmn32480> blessedly so
[20:24:45] <cmn32480> my fingers have done far more typing on IRC than anywhere else today
[20:25:45] <cmn32480> and I probably spelled most of ti right
[20:26:44] <janrinok> better than usual
[20:27:26] <janrinok> I'd better be going before I get told off!
[20:27:46] * chromas prepares to tell him off
[20:27:53] <janrinok> added a few more stories to the queue
[20:28:03] <janrinok> chromas, you are in line...
[20:28:39] <chromas> oh shit
[20:28:44] * chromas covers his butt for the spanking
[20:29:39] <janrinok> not the 'old notebook down the trouser' trick?!
[20:30:27] <chromas> doesn't work with pants down
[20:30:46] * Cmn32480_phone pills out the paddle
[20:31:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> what're you, spallsheurgeson now?
[20:31:51] * janrinok realises his education is obviously lacking in many departments
[20:32:07] <sea> I never learned to count the number 7
[20:32:17] <sea> I count 1,2,3,4,5,6,9,10,...
[20:32:24] <sea> :(
[20:32:31] <chromas> in the old days, ciri would count with you
[20:32:55] <janrinok> you don't remember 8 either
[20:33:35] <janrinok> poor maths like that will adversely affect you editor's pay
[20:33:44] <janrinok> your*
[20:34:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> but you won't notice
[20:34:35] <janrinok> of course, during training it is much less than full-rate
[20:35:09] <janrinok> but I got a 25% increase this year, so I got that going for me ...
[20:35:26] * TheMightyBuzzard fucks off to call his drug dealers
[20:36:02] <sea> Yo TheMightyBuzzard
[20:36:13] * sea unzips a backpack
[20:36:16] <janrinok> l8r's Buzz, I've got to go
[20:36:31] * sea hands TheMightyBuzzard a plastic bag containing some dead spiders
[20:36:44] <janrinok> you smoke some funny shit
[20:36:53] <sea> You eat it.
[20:37:15] <janrinok> now you tell me!
[20:37:31] <sea> Dont. Snort. The Spider.
[20:38:09] <janrinok> OK, I'm out of here. Tomorrow guys
[20:38:15] <sea> ciao
[20:38:24] <janrinok> bye sea
[20:38:32] <janrinok> ~gbye sea
[20:38:44] <janrinok> ~gnight sea
[20:38:46] * exec fanatically cracks open a quart of disagreement for sea
[20:39:05] * sea rips open a hole in spacetime, then kicks janrinok into it. "I BANISH YOU!"
[20:39:10] * sea sobs
[20:39:23] <cmn32480> ~gnight janrinok
[20:39:25] * exec buttmagically piles a dongle of rainbow on janrinok
[20:39:28] <janrinok> well, that's me banished then ....
[20:39:40] <chromas> nah, he doesn't have that power
[20:39:44] <chromas> he's not registered on irc
[20:39:49] <sea> chromas: No! Don't tell him that!
[20:39:52] <sea> oshiii
[20:39:54] * sea runs
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[20:54:53] <cockroach> hi
[20:56:16] <NCommander> sea, its not in meta, search the Soylent topic back in 2014
[20:56:24] <NCommander> Meta is relatively recent addition to the site when we added Nexuses
[20:56:57] <NCommander> sea, short version was that the staff basically couldn't work effectively under Barbadas, I forced a vote of no-confidence, drama happened, and ended up project leader
[20:56:59] <cmn32480> ~gday cockroach
[20:57:01] * exec abnormally ships a C cup of social justice with cockroach
[20:57:22] <cmn32480> and the sailing has been nominally smooth ever since
[20:57:34] <sea> His name is Barbadas?
[20:57:55] <sea> Huh. Does that have anything to do with the island of Barbados?
[20:58:10] <cmn32480> Barrabas
[20:58:20] <cmn32480> Barabas
[20:58:23] <cmn32480> somethign like that
[21:00:26] <NCommander> UID 22
[21:00:31] * NCommander is too lazy to look it up
[21:01:01] <NCommander> cmn32480, it helps I practice fairly hands off management. Can't micromanage volunteers. The only time I get into "you will do X" is in crisis situation which is very rare for us these days and generally acceptable
[21:01:37] <cmn32480> and we are very thankful for both of thsoe things
[21:03:21] <cmn32480> mostly the "No Crisis" part
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[21:57:18] <SoylentSnow> Question: When editing a story, there is a Topics listbox. In that listbox, there is -^-Nexus-^- and -^-Topic-^-. When should each be used. I assumed that 'Main Page' would be used under Nexus (unless breaking news...) and then Topic would exist under Topic, but when I tried that, it didn't appear that the topic was assigned correctly. When I added the topic under the nexus header, things worked as expected.
[21:57:46] <SoylentSnow> So, what is the -^-Topic-^- Section of the list used for.
[22:01:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoylentSnow, try above them not under
[22:02:02] * TheMightyBuzzard makes no promises though
[22:02:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly though i think you can put the nexus and topic both in between them
[22:02:39] <SoylentSnow> Oh.... I guess that's what the -^- means? I just though it was so they stood out. I'll try that!
[22:03:53] <SoylentSnow> ahh yes, much better
[22:03:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a pretty shitty interface IMO but none of us dev types have been motivated to jump into the javascript necessary to make it better.
[22:04:27] <SoylentSnow> I don't blame you. I'm not volunteering to update it :P
[22:09:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm off reading a book. ping repeatedly if you need anything and none of the eds are handy. i'm not an ed but i can fake like i know what to do pretty well.
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[23:28:56] <SoylentSnow> Allright ladies, I'm out for the day. I've kept my seat at work ward for the alltted time. I've read the wiki link that was sent, as well as the Story Style sections. Seems pretty sreight forward, but I'll keep practicing in dev for a while. g'nite
[23:29:09] <SoylentSnow> s/ward/warm
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