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[00:36:26] <Bytram> cmn32480: welcome to the 1900 club!!! Woo Hoo!!
[00:37:09] <cmn32480> great... another club meeting... probably have to bring snacks to this one too!
[00:37:20] <Bytram> ROFLMAO!!
[00:38:07] * Bytram notes it iz a secret meeting -- no girlz aloud
[00:38:22] <Bytram> done with the cub scouts?
[00:38:35] <cmn32480> [forever?.... no
[00:38:41] <cmn32480> for the week... HELL YES
[00:38:45] <Bytram> LOL!
[00:39:02] <Bytram> hard to remember when *WE* had that much excess energy, eh?
[00:39:06] <cmn32480> I about drop kicked the littel boogers out of camp so I could leave
[00:39:28] <cmn32480> it wasn't the excess energy
[00:39:34] <Bytram> noise?
[00:39:57] <cmn32480> it was the two kids that refused to listen, whined all the time, and were generally disrespectful, disruptive, and generally assholes
[00:40:42] <cmn32480> to the point that I pulled one of their fathers aside at the end of the day and told him that if his kid's behavior didn't improve, I woudl suggest that he not come join our pack
[00:40:45] <Bytram> ahhh, splains much.
[00:41:00] <Bytram> I'm really saddened to hear that.
[00:41:16] <cmn32480> the kid is a complete little shit
[00:41:49] <cmn32480> I'm sorry I had to do it, but if I have to burn 50% of my time on him, everybody else loses out
[00:41:49] <Bytram> not that you took the father aside, but that things got to the point that you felt it necessary to speak up like that.
[00:41:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:42:04] <Bytram> not fair to the others who ARE behaving
[00:42:07] <cmn32480> and he was rather aggreesive all week
[00:42:24] <cmn32480> even smacked the other problem child in the den with the capture the flag flag pole
[00:42:31] <Bytram> actions have consequences... the more people are shielded from those, the less they become willing to change... at least in my experience
[00:42:36] <cmn32480> after I giggled for a second
[00:42:48] <cmn32480> then had to pull him out
[00:42:48] <Bytram> yikes
[00:42:57] <Bytram> LOL!
[00:43:02] <cmn32480> the second kid deserved it (a little)
[00:43:29] <cmn32480> but it's done
[00:44:02] <Bytram> bet you were tempted to say something like: "Gee, it would be a shame if that guy should get ganged up on by the rest of the pack."
[00:44:08] <cmn32480> now I have to press the troop committee chair and scoutmasters to let Jaime and I be den leaders
[00:44:18] <Bytram> oh, I need to go to the bathroom, I'll be back in a few minutes
[00:44:24] <cmn32480> heh
[00:44:27] <cmn32480> I thought about it
[00:44:32] <Bytram> I bet you did.
[00:44:33] <cmn32480> but there were too many people around
[00:44:56] <Bytram> only kids who behave can be heard...
[00:45:11] <Bytram> so feel free to ignore anyone who misbehaves
[00:45:12] <Bytram> ?
[00:45:27] <cmn32480> hehe
[00:45:29] <cmn32480> I wish
[00:45:39] <Bytram> yep
[00:45:46] <cmn32480> in the end, it comes down to no discipline at home
[00:45:49] <Bytram> kids are difficult -- specially someone else's
[00:45:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:46:04] <cmn32480> the kid rules the house, and doesn't understand how to cope when he is not getting his way
[00:46:07] <Bytram> says more about the parents than the kid, at that age
[00:46:15] <Bytram> spare the rod?
[00:46:21] <cmn32480> spoil the child
[00:46:34] <cmn32480> I'm not saying that he shoudl be beaten
[00:46:42] <Bytram> yep -- seen it many times
[00:46:55] <cmn32480> but an occassional spanking goes a long way to establishing the pecking order in the home
[00:47:02] <Bytram> discipline was firm, but fair, for the most part when I was growing up.
[00:47:07] <cmn32480> agreed
[00:47:11] <cmn32480> my house as well
[00:47:28] <cmn32480> and other then being involved in this madhouse of a project, we've turned out relatively well
[00:47:34] <Bytram> one important thing... there was ALWAYS a warning that continued misbehavior would ahve consequences
[00:47:53] <cmn32480> always
[00:48:04] <cmn32480> and if I continued... there were consequences
[00:48:22] <Bytram> that, and the three-name-invocation also had a strong effect.
[00:48:43] <Bytram> 1.) nickname in a firm voice
[00:48:46] <cmn32480> counting is the clue in my house
[00:48:51] <Bytram> 2.) full first name in a firm voice
[00:49:05] <Bytram> 3.) first name, middle name, last name ... better look out
[00:49:25] <cmn32480> they get 1 (5 second pause), 2 (5 second pause)
[00:49:47] * Bytram knows that cadence
[00:50:00] <cmn32480> and before I get to 3, they better be doing what I told them... or stop doing what I told them to stop
[00:50:10] * Bytram seems to recall hearing it used on his sibs... yah, that's it.
[00:50:24] <cmn32480> i remember hearing it on my sibs...
[00:50:26] <cmn32480> and me
[00:50:31] <cmn32480> and now my kids
[00:50:44] <Bytram> seeing others get consequences... does have an 'impact'
[00:51:09] <cmn32480> on their but.. not mine
[00:51:11] <cmn32480> usually
[00:51:30] <Bytram> my folks were fond of timeouts -- stand five minutes facing the corner of a room, with both hands behind my back.
[00:51:45] * cmn32480 remembers those fondly
[00:51:59] <cmn32480> right up to the time that I fell asleep with my head in the corner...
[00:52:10] <Bytram> they'd set up a kitchen timer... so that we wouldn't ask how much longer.
[00:52:12] <cmn32480> that did not go over well
[00:52:15] <Bytram> LOL!
[00:52:22] <Bytram> don't think I ever did THAT
[00:52:29] <Bytram> I get it didn't!
[00:52:31] <Bytram> *bet
[00:52:31] <cmn32480> dear God... Dad was PISSED
[00:52:45] <cmn32480> hindsight... completely hilarious
[00:52:54] <cmn32480> at the time... not so much
[00:53:14] <Bytram> sounds like HE might have needed a timeout at that point!
[00:53:30] <cmn32480> I thought I was a dead man
[00:54:05] <Bytram> There is a certain non-reciprocity to the parental administration of punishment to their child.
[00:54:21] <Bytram> "Dad? You need a timeout."
[00:54:31] * Bytram never dared to try that!
[00:54:43] <cmn32480> yeah... only in our dreams as kids... and our nightmares as parents
[00:54:53] <cmn32480> I was not that brave either
[00:55:18] <Bytram> self-preservation has its merits
[00:55:31] <cmn32480> lol
[00:56:17] <cmn32480> my favorite was standing in a corner until we were told to move
[00:56:23] <cmn32480> that was usually 10-15 minutes
[00:56:36] <Bytram> oooooh (O_O)
[00:56:51] <Bytram> gave the folks enough time to get *their* head together
[00:57:11] <cmn32480> brb
[00:57:25] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:00:00] <cmn32480> back
[01:00:11] * Bytram downloads newer version of hexchat
[01:00:18] <cmn32480> neighbor is going on vacation, and dropped off the remnants of this weeks' CSA pickup
[01:00:28] <Bytram> CSA?
[01:00:37] <cmn32480> Community Supported Agriculture
[01:00:57] <Bytram> ahhh, veggies and such
[01:01:02] <cmn32480> you kick in cash in the spring, and you get a share of the produce that gets grown
[01:01:22] <Bytram> nod nod -- heard of it -- just didn't recognize the acronym
[01:01:24] <cmn32480> works pretty well... there are a ton of them around here
[01:01:30] <Bytram> nice!
[01:01:42] <Bytram> we always had our own vegetable garden growing up
[01:01:57] <Bytram> pretty amazing how much food can come out of a 30' x 30' plot
[01:02:03] <cmn32480> yeah
[01:02:09] * cmn32480 doenst' ahve a 30x30 plot
[01:02:11] <Bytram> some of which I actually *liked*
[01:02:23] <cmn32480> but next year I am hoping to get a 10x10 going
[01:02:23] * Bytram still gags at asparagus
[01:02:31] * cmn32480 LOVES asparagus
[01:02:40] <Bytram> that'll still do a lot; specially if you time things right
[01:02:45] <cmn32480> sauteed... with a little olive oil and seasoned salt
[01:03:01] <cmn32480> eaten crispy... not limp
[01:03:15] <Bytram> early: radishes & baby carrots
[01:03:34] <Bytram> plant 'em in between tomato & cukes
[01:03:41] <Bytram> beets, too
[01:03:57] <Bytram> by the time the vines start spreading, you can harvest the early stuff
[01:03:58] <cmn32480> not a beets guy
[01:04:03] <cmn32480> yep
[01:04:10] <Bytram> is an acquired taste
[01:04:22] <cmn32480> mine will be mostly hot peppers
[01:04:23] <chromas> how anyone can eat them beets me
[01:04:24] <Bytram> I actually liked peas, green beans, and wax beans.
[01:04:34] <Bytram> carrots and beets, too.
[01:04:55] <Bytram> never was much of a fan of onions, but I like hot & spicy szechaun food, now. go figure!
[01:05:05] <cmn32480> chromas - I beet you are pickled tink
[01:05:27] <cmn32480> that spicy is peppers, not oniions
[01:06:51] * Bytram did not like green peppers or squash -- except, on occasions, I could tolerate butternut squash
[01:07:11] * cmn32480 loves squash
[01:07:38] <Bytram> all this talk about food... I should make dinner soon
[01:07:54] <Bytram> =)
[01:08:25] <cmn32480> good plan
[01:08:39] <Bytram> heh: http://arstechnica.com
[01:08:40] <Wesley> ^ 03Adam Savage thinks NASA should get working on a backup plan for Earth | Ars Technica
[01:08:42] <exec> └─ 13Adam Savage thinks NASA should get working on a backup plan for Earth | Ars Technica
[01:08:47] <Bytram> where do you think he plans to put it?
[01:08:57] <chromas> in the cloud
[01:09:03] <Bytram> ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
[01:09:16] <Bytram> oh man... I needed that!
[01:09:20] <cmn32480> ~title off
[01:09:21] <exec> titles disabled for 10#editorial
[01:09:21] <Bytram> chromas++ wit
[01:09:21] <Bender> karma - chromas: 8
[01:09:58] <cmn32480> I'm sorry... as much as I loved Mythbusters, Adam Savage has no sciene credibility
[01:09:59] <Bytram> food time; biab
[01:10:11] <Bytram> agreed
[01:10:25] <Bytram> then again, we've had actors as POTUS...
[01:10:38] * Bytram loks around to where THAT got us.
[01:10:42] <Bytram> *looks
[01:10:46] <cmn32480> and as governator
[01:11:20] * Bytram just finished a D/L of: https://dl.hexchat.net
[01:11:37] <Bytram> can't find a single checksum on the net... tried md5 and sha256
[01:12:40] <Bytram> no joy on sha1 either
[01:13:14] <cmn32480> windows or linux?
[01:13:31] <Bytram> windows
[01:14:02] <Bytram> note the filename: HexChat02.12.1-20x86.exe
[01:14:08] <Bytram> could not wget it
[01:14:22] <Bytram> had to go to the web site and do a save as from: http://hexchat.github.io
[01:14:23] <Wesley> ^ 03Downloads – HexChat
[01:14:32] <cmn32480> huh
[01:14:33] <Bytram> from the "x86" link
[01:14:42] <cmn32480> dunno why they don't ahve a checksum available
[01:14:49] <cmn32480> why not the x64 link?
[01:14:54] <chromas> if you waint' usin' sic you ain'tn't no nerd
[01:15:12] <Bytram> cause I installed the x86 stuff back on my old XP box, and copied things along from there
[01:15:39] <cmn32480> 10-4
[01:16:02] <Bytram> have already had a couple hiccups with logs files... would rather not go through that again -- is set up pretty much the way I like it...
[01:16:09] <Bytram> don't want to have to recover from 'fixing' it, yanno?
[01:16:29] <cmn32480> \understood
[01:16:47] <chromas> can't find sums anywhere on the server ( https://dl.hexchat.net )
[01:16:48] <Wesley> ^ 03Index of /
[01:16:53] <Bytram> at some point, I'm gonna get me a box to run linux straight up and port everything over to that, but it is still in the indefinite future at this point.
[01:16:58] <chromas> You'll just have to build from source :D
[01:17:29] <cmn32480> people don't actually do that... do they?
[01:17:41] <Bytram> I suspect they think the comm link is so safe that there's no *need* for a checksum? or that any that they posted there would be just as easily compromised as the executable, too.
[01:17:57] <Bytram> "Use the source, Luke!"
[01:18:24] * Bytram scurries off to make some dinner -- will return soonish
[01:18:51] * chromas doesn't find that particular exe on the server
[01:23:56] * cmn32480 fires up netflix
[01:24:38] <Bytram> chromas: load this page: http://hexchat.github.io
[01:24:38] <Wesley> ^✓* 03Downloads – HexChat
[01:24:46] <Bytram> right near the top there is:
[01:24:57] <Bytram> Windows 7/8/10
[01:24:57] <Bytram> HexChat 2.12.1 ( x86 / x64 )
[01:25:08] <Bytram> I downloaded from the link at the "x86"
[01:25:23] <Bytram> which should resolve to: https://dl.hexchat.net
[01:25:55] <chromas> sure but I get HexChat 2.12.1-2 x86.exe
[01:26:10] <chromas> oh maybe you cleaned up the %20s but missed the 0 :)
[01:26:42] <chromas> for sha1 I get 0e232d5a0820841ebf18c4fde1d22c97e9abd8a9
[01:26:49] <Bytram> just a sec
[01:27:03] <chromas> so you at least can check for consistency :D
[01:27:05] <Bytram> 0e232d5a0820841ebf18c4fde1d22c97e9abd8a9
[01:27:41] <Bytram> yep, same
[01:27:41] <Bytram> =)
[01:27:42] <chromas> is it digitally signed?
[01:27:52] <Bytram> so either we are both clear.. or screwed
[01:28:10] <Bytram> could not wget it -- had to right click, save as.
[01:28:14] <chromas> windows PEs often have a slot for digital signature and stuff. If it doesn't then windows would probably complain
[01:28:39] <Bytram> but, it was over an HTTPS connection, so I'm assuming it is *relatively* safe
[01:28:51] <Bytram> huh? oh!
[01:28:53] <Bytram> hmmm
[01:29:09] * chromas sneaks linux into Bytram's back door
[01:29:34] * Bytram already has Mate in a Vm
[01:30:50] * Bytram has right-clicked file in explorer and views vertificate
[01:34:14] <Bytram> well, from what little I know, it looks like the digital signatures on the file are okay.
[01:34:52] <Bytram> "This digital signature is OK."
[01:34:55] <Bytram> works for me!
[01:35:50] <Bytram> now or never...
[01:37:00] <Bytram> Closing this hexchat window and installing the new version... wish me luck (upgrading hexchat x86 from 2.12.0 to 2.12.1-2)
[01:37:09] <Bytram> afk brb
[01:37:16] <cmn32480> good luck
[01:39:50] <Bytram> looks like it worked... yay!
[01:39:58] * Bytram remembers to exhale
[01:40:08] <Bytram> oops phone... gtg
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[01:46:48] <Bytram> back
[03:53:43] <takyon> bytram
[03:53:55] <takyon> I have a story in there intended to be merged with any clinton stuff
[03:54:03] <takyon> did it on my phone
[03:54:14] <Bytram> oh, yeah, now tha tyou mention it...
[03:54:28] <Bytram> hold on
[03:54:34] <takyon> I was just SPYING ON YOU in the admin sessions
[03:55:07] <Bytram> I saw you looking... noticed you also 2nded a story I'd pushed through, too
[03:55:20] <takyon> yeah I'll do some more
[03:55:28] <takyon> that cluster of 3 anon stories was me on my phone earlier
[03:55:40] <Bytram> ahhh
[03:56:10] <Bytram> btw, any stories in the submission queue that you think that we could bin? (I think there are several, but want independent assessment)
[03:56:59] <takyon> my assessment has been that shitty MrPlow stories should be nuked
[03:57:11] <takyon> there
[03:57:13] <Bytram> yeah, but which ones are shitty?
[03:57:24] <takyon> Idk, I have deleted a couple already in the past days
[03:57:42] <takyon> I think this is too old for us to care: Russia: Turkish president 'sorry' for shoot-down of Russian military jet | Fox News
[03:57:53] <Bytram> agreed
[03:58:00] <takyon> kind of completely outdated given the terror attack that occurred
[03:58:00] <Bytram> you want to nuke em?
[03:58:04] <Bytram> yep
[03:58:15] <takyon> done
[03:58:35] <Bytram> merci
[03:58:44] <takyon> the first 2 after Gaark are too old
[03:58:53] <takyon> flash exploit and Orlando massacre bait
[03:59:06] <Bytram> doesn't matter for non-nick posts, but we do have a delete reason field.
[03:59:18] <Bytram> agreed
[03:59:20] <takyon> I always use delete field on nick posts
[03:59:25] <Bytram> great
[03:59:38] <Bytram> was a [releatively] recent addition
[03:59:50] <Bytram> sometimes things don't get communicated, yanno
[03:59:56] <takyon> i remember the rollout
[04:00:07] <takyon> gewg's message about obvious spam on homepage
[04:00:13] <Bytram> bin it
[04:00:16] <takyon> has that message been fully comprehended?
[04:00:24] <takyon> like I guess we aren't going to do anything about it
[04:00:26] <Bytram> I believe so...
[04:00:56] <Bytram> it's a repeat of the SD lawyer posting a journal story on the main page
[04:01:09] <Bytram> we had a bg discussion about it a couple months ago
[04:01:30] <Bytram> decision (IIRC) was that one needed aat least 5 (?) karma for a story to appear on the main page,
[04:01:41] <Bytram> but IDK if that was actually coded/implemented
[04:01:57] <takyon> not implemented bro
[04:02:17] <Bytram> I'm thinking the vars we need should be around at the time the template is being processed, but would have to look more closely at the code.
[04:02:23] <Bytram> yeah, I thought it was not
[04:02:55] <Bytram> FOSSGIS -- bin it?
[04:03:03] <takyon> i'm done binning for a sec, i'm going to publish
[04:03:08] <Bytram> k
[04:03:15] * Bytram refreshes
[04:06:42] <Bytram> hawking @ 1653
[04:07:07] <takyon> no
[04:07:15] <takyon> i came in there :(
[04:07:24] <Bytram> bin it!
[04:07:25] <Bytram> ;-)
[04:07:32] <takyon> l e l
[04:07:46] <takyon> i put the neuroscientist fortune story around that exact time
[04:07:48] <Bytram> 1827
[04:07:57] <takyon> yo
[04:08:12] <Bytram> ho ho?
[04:08:20] <takyon> i put my story at 18:27?
[04:08:32] <Bytram> no, I moved mine to 18:27
[04:08:40] <takyon> ok
[04:10:39] <Bytram> Apple Patent story
[04:13:21] <takyon> make sure to lowercase the I
[04:13:45] <Bytram> Apple @ 20:11
[04:15:47] <Bytram> takyon: btw, do you plan to do something with that petticoat rebellion story that has been floating along for a few days?
[04:16:00] <takyon> look at it carefully
[04:16:10] <Bytram> I read it when it was first posted
[04:16:14] <takyon> it's set to go out in December 5th, the 100th anniversary of the events mentioned in the story
[04:16:17] <Bytram> did you cange it?
[04:16:20] <Bytram> *change
[04:16:36] <Bytram> google /warren
[04:17:01] <Bytram> I thought the petticoat story noted a fascinating way to upend the status quo
[04:17:25] <takyon> do you disagree with keeping it lingering in the story list for the next 5 months?
[04:17:36] <takyon> I made the decision myself, consulted nobody
[04:18:41] <Bytram> well, was just wondering what the thinking was...it is, umm, unusual... unless for a specific date in the future (e.g. 4/1, site anniveresary)
[04:20:49] <Bytram> oh... missed your note.
[04:20:58] <Bytram> my bad
[04:21:25] <Bytram> hmmm, makes sense, then
[04:22:18] <Bytram> Elizabeth Warren @ 21;49
[04:22:19] <takyon> i mean, it's very random for such a story to come out in june when the 100th anniversary is in december. that's my thinking
[04:22:41] <takyon> i guess mentalfloss.com and whomever decided to get ready for that story 6 months early
[04:23:16] <Bytram> well, I thought it was more along the lines of showing how times have changed since the time when women had barely won the right to vote and now there is a [potential] woman candidate for POTUS
[04:23:35] <Bytram> kind of a reminder of where we came from, how far we've come, and don't be lulled intoa false sense of confidence
[04:24:09] <Bytram> and, with that, I think it's time for me to head to bed. it's now tomorrow and a work day for me, too. :/
[04:24:27] <Bytram> has been nice chatting with you -- been too long since the last time.
[04:25:56] <takyon> later
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