#editorial | Logs for 2016-03-31

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[01:42:44] <takyon> that bash news
[01:42:54] <takyon> yeah it wasn't clear from that initial sub
[01:42:57] <takyon> i'll go over it later
[01:43:10] <takyon> "nap"
[01:46:05] <takyon> think i should put something about Bash in the headline?
[01:46:23] <takyon> The Windows Subsystem for Linux
[01:46:28] <takyon> The Windows Subsystem for Linux: Bringing Bash to Windows
[02:24:09] <Subsentient> takyon: Buzzardzzzzzy says you wanted to merge the Ubuntu and Linux-on-Windows stories?
[02:24:23] <Subsentient> https://soylentnews.org
[02:24:34] <Subsentient> (that one's mine)
[02:30:46] <Subsentient> $burrito takyon
[02:30:46] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at takyon
[02:32:21] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[02:34:30] <Bytram> the story about the linux subsysem for Windows.... take a look at: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com
[02:34:50] <Bytram> he has a lot more details as to what is included...
[02:35:54] <Bytram> especially these items he presents as an <ol>:
[02:35:55] <Bytram> Windows 10 users
[02:35:56] <Bytram> Can open the Windows Start menu
[02:35:56] <Bytram> And type "bash" [enter]
[02:35:56] <Bytram> Which opens a cmd.exe console
[02:35:56] <Bytram> Running Ubuntu's /bin/bash
[02:35:58] <Bytram> With full access to all of Ubuntu user space
[02:36:00] <Bytram> Yes, that means apt, ssh, rsync, find, grep, awk, sed, sort, xargs, md5sum, gpg, curl, wget, apache, mysql, python, perl, ruby, php, gcc, tar, vim, emacs, diff, patch...
[02:36:03] <Bytram> And most of the tens of thousands binary packages available in the Ubuntu archives!
[02:36:08] <Bytram> impressive!
[02:36:32] <takyon> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[02:36:39] <takyon> Bash
[02:36:41] <takyon> Bash on Windows
[02:36:58] <takyon> NO
[02:37:10] <takyon> I did not want to merge those two stories Subsentient
[02:37:17] <takyon> or should I say subhuman
[02:37:26] <Subsentient> takyon: I did not merge them.
[02:37:33] <takyon> wat I wanted was for this story: https://soylentnews.org to have more explicit mention of Bash
[02:37:48] <takyon> in the headline I guess
[02:37:49] * Bytram did not merge any stories today
[02:37:54] <Subsentient> takyon: I saw that one too.
[02:37:58] <takyon> no stories are merged
[02:38:03] <takyon> stop being confused
[02:38:42] <Subsentient> takyon: I was asking because Buzzard told me you were going to, which would make my story redundant.
[02:38:51] <takyon> nope
[02:38:51] <Bytram> well, you've got ME confused. I was just commenting here that there is much more to the MS announcement than *bash* running on windows...
[02:39:04] <Bytram> it's pretty much the whole userland running on windows
[02:39:11] <Subsentient> And that's why I made that separate story that is arguably a separate news item.
[02:39:19] <takyon> the stories about this framed it as about bash
[02:39:20] <takyon> http://www.anandtech.com
[02:39:30] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[02:40:35] <Bytram> and the link I provided above, from the developer who was involved with (responsible for) the implementation, pointed out it was much more than *just* bash.
[02:40:37] <Bytram> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com
[02:41:34] <Bytram> To me, bash is great, but getting pretty much the whole userland awk, sed, grep, perl, python, you name it, THAT is amazing.
[02:41:45] <takyon> so wait
[02:41:57] <Bytram> even *apt* was ported, so you can install still more packages!
[02:41:59] <takyon> can all Linux programs that would run on Ubuntu run on Windows with this
[02:42:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> what about cowsay?
[02:43:12] <Bytram> I don't know for sure. It's a short article. take a read and tell me what you think.
[02:44:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> you obviously overestimate my ability to focus on reading while drinking whiskey
[02:44:19] <Bytram> looks like it does, I quote: "And most of the tens of thousands binary packages available in the Ubuntu archives!"
[02:44:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... sounds interesting but if cowsay don't work, hell with it
[02:44:55] <takyon> daaayum
[02:45:06] <Bytram> NOW you get it.
[02:45:24] <Bytram> then again, it's built on Windows 10, whose telemetry, presumably, would still be there.
[02:45:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> say, you know what else will run any linux binaries built for ubuntu? ubuntu.
[02:46:39] <takyon> "Embrace."
[02:47:09] <Bytram> true, but for all those existing MS shops, they can still run their existing MS programs, visual studio, whatever... natively, and ALSO make use of all of the unix userland commands, too.
[02:47:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean, like, you could technically put dual turbos on a vw rabbit but why the hell would you?
[02:48:00] <Bytram> in one fell swoop, pretty much anyhitng you could do on Ubuntu, you can also do on Windows... AND you can do all of your Windows stuff, too.
[02:48:59] <takyon> the question is how rock solid will this compatability be
[02:49:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> except for like the major selling points of linux, ease of administration and security
[02:49:50] <Bytram> but, what I do NOT see is the use of BOTH environments together. Seems to be *either* open a cmd.exe window *or* a bash window; cannot mix between them, AFAICT.
[02:50:04] <Bytram> well, youcould have both kinds of windows open at once,
[02:50:14] <Bytram> but could not do, say:
[02:50:29] <Bytram> dir c:\ /s/od | grep *.exe | wc
[02:50:49] <Bytram> what I *could* do, though, is:
[02:51:16] <Bytram> dir c:\ /s/od > c:\temp.txt
[02:51:23] <Bytram> and then in a bash window
[02:51:25] <Bytram> cd /mnt/c
[02:51:38] <Bytram> grep "*.exe temp.txt | wc
[02:51:57] <Bytram> horrible example, but you get the idea.
[02:54:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do not and you can't make me
[02:56:31] <Bytram> IOW, if you cannot pipe, natively, between linux and windows commands, a lot can still be accomplished by using an actual file as a go-between
[02:56:39] <Bytram> and, with that, I am *exhausted*
[02:56:45] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[02:56:53] <takyon> byetram
[02:57:23] <Bytram|away> that's GREAT! made me laugh -- much needed and appreciated!
[02:57:34] <Bytram|away> and a good night to you, as well!
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[05:04:11] <Deucalion> cmn32480, you pinged me... admittedly a day or so ago, sup?
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[11:32:48] <CoolHand> hello?
[11:32:50] <CoolHand> anyone here?
[11:32:59] <CoolHand> Subsentient: u here specifically?
[11:33:16] <Subsentient> CoolHand: I am omniscient and omnipresent.
[11:33:32] <CoolHand> lol
[11:33:33] <CoolHand> I'm sure
[11:34:05] <CoolHand> n/m anyway... I saw the Canonical/Ubuntu story which I think of as a dupe, but saw the editors note...
[11:34:13] <CoolHand> so I guess if you and marty think its ok, then run it
[11:36:04] <CoolHand> (the ZDNet article linked at the bottom of original story mentions the Canonical/Ubuntu relationship - which the editors note of the new story says is why its being ran).. anyway,the original hasn't garnered any comments for some reason, although a decent amount of views for middle of night
[11:38:03] <CoolHand> backscrolling I see several of ya'll discussed it, so, cool...
[11:38:04] <CoolHand> :)
[11:40:31] <takyon> nljnj
[11:56:57] <CoolHand> nljnj huh?
[11:57:25] <takyon> announcing my presence
[11:57:31] <takyon> shorthand
[11:58:00] <CoolHand> is it an acronym? or just a made up takyon thing? good morning in any case, sir
[12:02:03] <takyon> how cool is your hand anyway
[12:06:11] <CoolHand> 98.6 degrees farenheit or so... very cool compared to the surface of the sun..
[12:09:27] <takyon> i'll take a neutron star anyday
[12:11:46] <CoolHand> I dunno... they're pretty dangerous..
[12:12:44] <takyon> It's very nutrient dense though
[12:25:00] <CoolHand> yeah, that's a bonus
[12:25:41] <takyon> site is still pretty broken
[12:26:17] <CoolHand> I saw you mentioning that.. I haven't seen any errors this morning..
[12:26:18] <CoolHand> strange
[12:32:43] <takyon> my last journal entry doesn't appear on my user page
[12:32:58] <takyon> pages time out, including loading a story, or submitting a submission
[12:34:04] <takyon> one story doesn't show comment counter
[12:34:22] <takyon> page loads are slow even when it does work
[12:34:29] <takyon> it's chaos. there's probably more I missed
[12:42:57] <cmn32480> Deucalion - when I pinged te IRC server was going fuck-all crazy. Everybody not on SN's ZNC got dropped. seems stable now
[12:53:53] <CoolHand> ahh, so THATS why the MS/Linux story was showing 0 comments
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[13:43:04] <cmn32480> sorry kids.. I got one in the queue but I gotta get to my customer site. Will see if I get some time later to push a b unch
[13:43:12] <cmn32480> ~gday #editorial
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[20:01:31] <Bytram> https://www.sciencedaily.com
[21:42:18] <takyon> got a bit of a breaking story
[21:42:26] <takyon> it's a deadline to comment about DMCA
[21:42:49] <takyon> bytram
[21:43:33] <Bytram> takyon: go for it!
[21:43:38] <takyon> i submitted it
[21:43:57] * Bytram accidentally misentered a story's release date/time and lost it somewhere
[21:44:06] <Bytram> on it
[21:44:11] <takyon> k
[21:44:23] <takyon> i guess you can find that by searching the title?
[21:44:34] <Bytram> tried, no joy yet.
[21:44:42] <Bytram> may have to do a direct DB query
[21:44:44] <Bytram> :(
[21:45:18] <Bytram> title was something like: Scientists want to know how Earth got its Gold
[21:45:26] <takyon> right
[21:45:40] <Bytram> hmmm
[21:46:11] <takyon> i doubt goog will have it
[21:46:21] <Bytram> nope, we havenb't even published it yet.
[21:46:27] <takyon> nope got it
[21:46:31] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[21:46:33] <systemd> ^ 03SN article:  Scientists want to Know how Earth got its Gold 04(0 comments)
[21:46:36] <takyon> how did I do it?
[21:46:44] <Bytram> searched thruogh subids ?
[21:46:53] <Bytram> or...
[21:46:53] <takyon> I used Google to find the submission, since submissions can be found by google
[21:47:00] <takyon> then I clicked "Link to story"
[21:47:03] <Bytram> nice
[21:47:24] <takyon> nice release date
[21:48:56] <Bytram> ummm, your title says 11:59pm EST
[21:49:02] <Bytram> shouldn'yt that be EDT ??
[21:49:07] <takyon> idk
[21:49:15] <takyon> idk
[21:49:17] <takyon> http://tycho.usno.navy.mil
[21:49:18] <systemd> ^ 03What time is it?
[21:49:26] <Bytram> make it ET and let the reader figure it out?
[21:49:44] <takyon> looks like EDT
[21:49:46] <Bytram> thats what I'm going with
[21:49:52] <takyon> you can use EDT
[21:50:04] <takyon> or whatever the regulations.gov link says
[21:50:12] <takyon> I got the info from a youtube video
[21:50:51] * Bytram just rescheduled the story which this one replaced
[21:51:31] <takyon> k
[21:53:06] <Bytram> if, for whatever reason, there's something wrong with the date/time for a submission to go out, it gets 'corrected' to Unix Epoch 0: i.e. 1970-01-01 00:00:00
[21:53:52] <takyon> i'm aware
[21:53:58] <Bytram> I see you are in the scientists' gold story, too.
[21:54:06] <takyon> no
[21:54:09] <Bytram> oh, k
[21:54:14] <Bytram> I'll finish it up, then
[21:55:41] <Bytram> earth gold saved; 4/1 04:22
[21:56:07] <takyon> earth gold for all!
[21:58:42] <Bytram> erth goaled four awl?
[21:59:35] <takyon> earl gourd thrall
[22:00:06] <Bytram> ROFL!!!!
[22:00:15] <Bytram> earl grey hot
[22:01:07] <Bytram> peas porridge cold
[22:03:13] <takyon> bytram amused
[22:03:24] <Bytram> easily, yes.
[22:03:38] * Bytram is very tired... more things seem funny that way
[22:03:59] <Subsentient> My sense of humor diminishes the more exhausted I get.
[22:04:10] <Subsentient> Interestingly, my ability to make jokes does not.
[22:04:52] <takyon> when you embrace the humor of pity, you can become the joke
[22:13:04] <paulej72> hello all
[22:14:57] <Bytram> paulej72: hola
[22:15:13] <paulej72> are we on for 4/1
[22:15:22] <Bytram> I don't know.
[22:15:40] <Bytram> having heard nothing all day, I just started pushing out a few stories so the queue di not run dry
[22:15:53] <Bytram> s/di /did /
[22:15:55] <exec> <Bytram> having heard nothing all day, I just started pushing out a few stories so the queue did not run dry
[22:17:09] <paulej72> are they normal stories?
[22:17:30] <Bytram> so far, yes, but a little less normal than normal
[22:17:53] <paulej72> should we do the theme shit?
[22:18:26] <Bytram> why not? My thoughts, fwiw, do the theme, maybe have ONE story that is weird...
[22:18:31] <Bytram> late in the day...
[22:18:40] <Bytram> leave em' guessing which one is the 'joke'
[22:18:46] <Bytram> btw...
[22:19:03] <Bytram> might want to add this to the css:
[22:19:05] <Bytram> .btmnav ul li a:hover {color: black}
[22:19:12] <Bytram> and
[22:19:45] <Bytram> .btmnav ul li a {color: #FFEE00}
[22:20:14] <Bytram> makes the bottom links stand out, until you try to click on one and then it fades into background. ;)
[22:20:28] <Bytram> and with that, Igtg
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[22:20:49] <Bytram|away> *hope* to check in later,
[22:20:58] <Bytram|away> time will tell
[22:24:09] <takyon> we have nothing but the theme shit yet
[22:24:17] <takyon> and we have a lot of not-fake subs we can run
[22:24:21] <takyon> I might do the dept thing
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