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[01:51:43] <takyon> ~eds
[01:51:45] <exec> editor ping for takyon: janrinok LaminatorX n1 nick martyb Bytram Azrael mrcoolbp cmn32480 coolhand takyon cmn32480|away bytram|away
[01:51:54] <mrcoolbp> whatup takyon
[01:52:05] <takyon> do you think it would be appropriate to do a meta comment on the upcoming Tiwtter story
[01:52:15] <takyon> about the validity of thestack.com anonymous submitter
[01:52:22] <takyon> or do you want to keep that in-house
[01:52:39] <takyon> I decided to post one story from thestack.com submitter, and that is the one, coming in about 30m
[01:53:11] <mrcoolbp> something like: "Note: we keep getting these, what do you lot think?" you mena/
[01:53:24] <mrcoolbp> er uh "you mena?"*
[01:53:28] <mrcoolbp> damnit
[01:53:31] * mrcoolbp can't type
[01:53:37] <mrcoolbp> mean*
[01:53:43] <takyon> yeah like I'd even link to the all of the submissions, which are now about 10+ in number
[01:53:58] <takyon> and I would note that it appears to be an automated submission to both slashdot and here
[01:54:18] <mrcoolbp> would be interesting to crowdsource the discussion on it, but we don't know if it's bot, employee, or weirdo
[01:54:20] <takyon> bytram: I know what you mean about journal article links taking you to the user's journal rather than the entry
[01:54:23] * Deucalion glances in on editorial discussion.... how're the assault troops fairing?
[01:54:29] <takyon> read up
[01:54:35] <takyon> well
[01:54:40] <mrcoolbp> Deucalion: they are doing great IMO
[01:54:53] <takyon> read down: we had some kind of shit stories earlier today IMO.
[01:54:53] <mrcoolbp> takyon: do we know if he's writing the summaries yet?
[01:55:03] <mrcoolbp> takyon: happens my man
[01:55:24] <mrcoolbp> takyon: back in my day, people complained about every other story
[01:55:35] * mrcoolbp goes to find dentures
[01:55:41] <takyon> well one thing I noticed is that the submission had a seemingly correct topic picked. although since Slashdot uses the same topics (...?) it would be a simple matter of making it work on both
[01:55:56] <mrcoolbp> takyon: but as far as the content of the summary
[01:56:01] <mrcoolbp> that's what I'm interested int
[01:56:02] <mrcoolbp> in
[01:56:05] <takyon> hang on
[01:56:07] <mrcoolbp> k
[01:57:40] <takyon> it appears to be a human written summary of the article, with some direct text lift... but possibly more original than a hugh pickens article
[01:57:44] <takyon> maybe I can do a DIFF on this
[01:58:18] <mrcoolbp> if that would help
[01:58:32] <mrcoolbp> my thing was if it was a bot, there's no way it could write a decent summary
[01:58:42] <mrcoolbp> (without copying text)
[01:59:07] <takyon> https://www.diffchecker.com
[01:59:09] <snowfire> ^ 03Saved diff kofcvevy - Diff Checker
[01:59:27] <takyon> that's the summary submitted to us and the actual article
[02:03:47] <takyon> the text that isn't highlighted appears to be the same. As you can see, it looks like some human brainpower was put into creating something that could be submitted to multiple slashsites
[02:04:05] <takyon> although in the age of summly and machine learning, who the hell even knows anymore
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[02:10:51] <NotSanguine> Hey TMB, I noticed some odd behavior (that is, not being honored) with the <strike> tag in a comment. Is this most likely an issue with my browser, or should I open a bug report?
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[02:42:38] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: I'll invite you
[02:42:40] <mrcoolbp> hang on
[02:42:49] <NotSanguine> thank you sir
[02:43:25] <takyon> the strike tag is not allowed any more
[02:43:51] <takyon> somebody did an open ended strike tag, a friendly message was made not to abuse the bug, and then someone did it and ruined it for everyone
[02:43:58] <takyon> at least, that was my recollection
[02:44:37] <takyon> oh and TMB doesn't summon the demon. you need to use his full name, TheMightyBuzzard. Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.
[02:48:23] <NotSanguine> takyon: thanks for the info. that's a shame, as it would make the comment I'm about to post much more understandable.
[02:48:36] <takyon> you could use that ^W
[02:48:50] <takyon> i would like to strike fixed though, it's very useful
[02:48:55] <takyon> *see
[02:49:39] <paulej72> ha ha that is funny, fixing rehashes html parsing code
[02:49:42] <mrcoolbp> we can use strike on stories, just not comments right takyon?
[02:49:50] <takyon> that's right
[02:49:50] <NotSanguine> true enough, but I wanted to show the text as it exists in the Michigan senate bill just passed: http://www.legislature.mi.gov(S(3msw1yny54bbx0rxto3wcgdv))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=2015-SB-0219
[02:49:52] <snowfire> ^ 03Michigan Legislature - Senate Bill 0219 (2015)
[02:50:04] <NotSanguine> It's all the way at the end.
[02:50:11] <takyon> you could bold it or something
[02:50:18] <takyon> or link to a diff
[02:50:29] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: are you talking about a comment?
[02:50:35] <takyon> wow thanks for screwing up the link Michigan, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT
[02:50:48] <mrcoolbp> lol
[02:51:04] <NotSanguine> My comment: https://soylentnews.org shows this
[02:51:05] <snowfire> ^ 03SN comment by [02NotSanguine (285)] (02Score:2)
[02:51:06] <NotSanguine> Yop
[02:51:43] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: any reason why strike works on stories but not comments?
[02:51:48] <mrcoolbp> just curious
[02:52:06] <takyon> it works on stories because it always did. and we editors don't abuse the strike tag. at least not on purpose
[02:52:11] <cmn32480> I think takyon was right...
[02:52:27] <takyon> abuse meaning, leaving the closing tag out
[02:52:35] <NotSanguine> If you could see the strikeouts right next to the existing text, it clearly shows that this is just clickbait.
[02:52:39] <paulej72> we have two lists for what we block one for comments and one for the eds and admin pages
[02:52:41] <takyon> causing the entire page to be striked out and much hilarity
[02:52:45] <cmn32480> somebody purposefully left an open strike tag repeatedly and screwed it up for all
[02:53:09] <NotSanguine> Oh well. I guess I'll get over it.
[02:53:11] <takyon> NotSanguine: what do you mean it's clickbait?
[02:53:27] <takyon> I saw the version with strikeouts on one of the articles
[02:54:05] <NotSanguine> Since Lawrence v. Texas, sodomy laws are unconstitutional, causing the 1931 statute to only apply to non-humans, even though the text says "mankind"
[02:54:22] <takyon> that's acknowledged in TFA
[02:54:32] <takyon> the story is that they are going forward with it anything
[02:54:35] <takyon> *anyway
[02:54:36] <NotSanguine> The changes to the text of the statute passed by the senate do not remove the word "mankind" but it's irrelevant
[02:54:41] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: PM
[02:54:52] <takyon> and that the way they have it configured, the whole law will have to be struck down I guess
[03:02:56] <NotSanguine> takyon: Or not. As long as they don't enforce this against human-human conduct, there's no reason for anyone to bring suit and challenge the law. Presumably that hasn't happened to date, as the law is still on the books.
[03:03:31] <NotSanguine> Takyon: then again, IANAL. I'll ask my niece (who is) when I see her later this week.
[03:04:03] <takyon> Yeah I did think about that, but I find that really distasteful. Just a slap in the face that they will put a bad law on the books, refuse to reconsider the language, and it will probably stay there because nobody has standing to challenge if it isn't enforced
[03:04:22] <takyon> I find that to be trashy, typical of the god-fearing that run america
[03:06:22] <cmn32480> pardon the interruption, gents, but what are we doing wiht the stack of subs from both "The Stack" and from "The New Stack"
[03:06:35] <mrcoolbp> takyon^
[03:06:43] <takyon> did you read what I said earlier?
[03:06:46] <mrcoolbp> lol
[03:06:58] <takyon> basically I gave in and posted the Twitter one that just ran
[03:07:02] <cmn32480> i don't read backscroll....
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[03:07:11] <cmn32480> timing is impecable bytram
[03:07:17] <takyon> I was thinking of making a comment about it on the story
[03:07:19] <cmn32480> wanna weigh in on the stack articles?
[03:07:19] <takyon> should I?
[03:07:23] * Bytram would have been here earlier but absentmindedly left his phone at work. :(
[03:07:27] <cmn32480> they are actually pretty well done
[03:07:29] <takyon> should I ask the plebs?
[03:07:45] <Bytram> hi gang! Whats up?
[03:07:54] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: the idea was to add a note to the story that's (about to go out???) in the queue
[03:08:03] <cmn32480> forgot your backpackberry, huh?
[03:08:04] <takyon> it went out
[03:08:09] <takyon> it has 5+ comments
[03:08:26] <mrcoolbp> oh lol
[03:08:51] <cmn32480> I think we use them... same way we are using p666's stories
[03:09:04] <cmn32480> some are good, some are bad... some get kept, some get binned
[03:09:07] <Bytram> cmn32480: pretty much; noticed the battery was getting low and plugged it into my charger at work, and then forgot about it.
[03:09:07] <takyon> If mrcoolbp and cmn32480 have no objection, then I will stop caring or quarantining the stories
[03:09:26] <mrcoolbp> takyon: now that the stories out, maybe post a follow-up meta story with a quick blurb about it?
[03:09:44] <mrcoolbp> I thought we were going to include a note on that story but the discussion of the story is already underway
[03:09:52] <takyon> no, let's just see if anybody complains. chances are they won't even notice the url around the anon's name
[03:09:53] <mrcoolbp> might as well have it as a new discussion in META
[03:10:04] <mrcoolbp> takyon: probably won't notice, I agree
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[03:10:11] <takyon> THE PEONS KNOW NOTHNG
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[03:10:48] <cmn32480> I don't know if that is QUITE the direction we wanna have for this
[03:11:25] <takyon> the plebs have been hoodwinked
[03:11:39] <takyon> let them taste the bot-driven news
[03:11:41] <cmn32480> the editors being the plebes?
[03:12:01] <takyon> readers
[03:12:35] <cmn32480> meh... if they see a problem, they will be rather vocal about it
[03:12:44] <cmn32480> we can pretty well count on that
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[23:58:03] <Bytram> whereto: http://go.theregister.com
[23:58:05] <snowfire> ^ 03Japanese boffins fire up 100Gbps wireless broadband connection • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[23:58:23] <Bytram> cmn32480: !!