#editorial | Logs for 2016-01-04

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[02:11:48] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[02:38:39] <takyon> stuff
[02:38:55] <Bytram> unpack
[02:38:58] <Bytram> ;)
[02:39:52] <takyon> fsck
[02:40:01] <cmn32480> happens?
[02:41:02] <Bytram> you could say that.. I attended a memorial service today.
[02:41:11] <cmn32480> oof
[02:41:13] <cmn32480> sorry to hear that
[02:41:14] <Bytram> yah.
[02:41:42] <Bytram> were probably 30-40 people there who could makeit.
[02:41:46] <Bytram> he touched a lot of lives.
[02:42:02] <Bytram> couldn't read very well, but new his music, sports, and cars
[02:42:18] <Bytram> always ready to lend a hand to someone who was down and out
[02:42:23] <Bytram> as he came from there, himself.
[02:43:01] <Bytram> he had little concept of shades of gray or
[02:43:15] <Bytram> even color -- most things were pretty black-or-white to him
[02:43:29] <Bytram> and once he made up his mind about something,
[02:43:36] <Bytram> you'd better get the hell out of the way or
[02:43:42] <Bytram> you'd get run over!
[02:43:55] <Bytram> but, he would listen to reason... just had
[02:44:06] <Bytram> to phrase it in the right way for him to get the point.
[02:44:13] <Bytram> as much as I tried to hepl him out,
[02:44:21] <Bytram> I got so much more out of it thanhe did.
[02:44:32] <Bytram> {{{{ paulie }}}}
[02:44:37] <takyon> are you repeating a speech you gave at the service
[02:44:44] <cmn32480> {{{{{bytram}}}}}
[02:45:19] <Bytram> not a repeat, just an off-the-cuff share of what comes to mind atm
[02:45:28] <Bytram> cmn32480: thanks. much appreciated.
[02:45:46] <takyon> what does that mean, ascii clapping
[02:45:53] <cmn32480> it's a hug
[02:46:01] <takyon> ah
[02:46:08] <cmn32480> the man sounds like he nheeds one
[02:46:18] <Bytram> I can't go much into his issues, but suffice it to say that he faced challenges that would have taken down many others, and he found the strength and will to persev4ere.
[02:46:36] <Bytram> well, he had been struggling mightily with health issues for years
[02:46:44] <Bytram> so, he is finally free of THAT.
[02:47:38] <Bytram> If there is a heaven, I can well imagine he'd be up there swimming with the polar bears -- he had a thing about bears, polar bears in particular
[02:47:46] <Bytram> and, he *liked* the cold.
[02:48:52] <Bytram> I keep telling myself: "It only hurts because I'd been blessed to have him in my life... and I want more."
[02:49:20] <cmn32480> that is the truth. If it didn't hurt, he woud'nt have mattered to you
[02:49:27] <Bytram> bingo.
[02:49:51] <cmn32480> but as it does hurt, he obviously mattered, and from the sound of things, was a pretty swell fella
[02:50:08] <Bytram> repeating that, ever time I feel sadness, slowly helps me to perceive memories in a positive (in stead of a painful) light.
[02:50:50] <Bytram> you've heard the saying 'same shit different day', I try to live by: 'Same shit, different attitude."
[02:51:04] <cmn32480> both have their place
[02:51:29] <cmn32480> for instance, my sister designs waste water transit systems
[02:51:40] <Bytram> he's still gone, either way. one perspective perpetuates self pty and a feeling of loss; theother validates the sense of loss but recognizes the good, too.
[02:51:49] <Bytram> cmn32480: really? Oh shit!
[02:51:56] <cmn32480> and a LOT of it
[02:51:58] <Bytram> I bet that stinks.
[02:52:05] <cmn32480> kind of a crappy job
[02:52:08] <Bytram> ok, just had to get that out of my 'system' proceed.
[02:52:26] <cmn32480> it's ok, brother. that's what we are here for
[02:53:03] <Bytram> didn't cramden(?) oin the honeymooners work in a sewer? or was he a bus driver?
[02:53:17] <cmn32480> Ralph Cramden was the bus driver
[02:53:25] <cmn32480> Ed Norton was the guy who worked in the sewer
[02:53:26] <Bytram> wait, I think jackie gleeson was the bus driver.
[02:53:33] <cmn32480> correct
[02:53:34] <Bytram> ahhh. that's right!
[02:53:46] * Bytram hasn't seen that since it was on prime time
[02:53:56] <cmn32480> Thankfully, my sister doesn't actaully work IN the sewers.
[02:54:04] <Bytram> anyway, sorry to interrupt. you were saying
[02:54:05] <cmn32480> she just designs them
[02:54:25] <Bytram> hmmm, the possibilities to *design*stink holes in the ventilation system
[02:54:36] <Bytram> little eddies wherethings 'build up'
[02:54:57] <cmn32480> in the basements of assholes....
[02:56:16] <Bytram> btw, stories 3 & 4 in the submissions queue need to be merged, and I'm just not up to it this evening.
[02:56:27] <cmn32480> on it as we speak
[02:56:33] <cmn32480> get soem rest
[02:56:37] <cmn32480> I got this covered
[02:56:41] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[02:56:41] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 28
[02:56:43] <Bytram> teamwork++
[02:56:43] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 57
[02:56:49] <cmn32480> teamwork++
[02:56:49] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 58
[02:56:58] <cmn32480> seeing as I haven't done much the rest of the weekend....
[02:57:10] <Bytram> hey! there went the Heinz 57 varieties!
[02:57:20] <Bytram> not much? Pbbbbbbbt
[02:57:35] <cmn32480> I mean yesterday adn today...
[02:57:56] <cmn32480> dept line for the merge: they hitting linode too?
[02:57:59] <takyon> n0 breaks for you
[02:58:01] <takyon> just bytram
[02:58:18] <cmn32480> brb
[02:58:21] <Bytram> well, I must confess that it seemed like I wqould notice the queue was low, push ot a few stories, and then you'd get on and clean up with whatever I left for you.
[02:58:31] <Bytram> k
[02:58:40] <Bytram> sounds like a good time for a break.
[02:58:45] <Bytram> afk biafm
[02:59:00] <Bytram> the joy of doing dishes.
[02:59:11] <takyon> i am scared of the dishwasher
[03:05:18] <cmn32480> sorry,,, had a crying kid
[03:06:05] <Bytram> not so scary when you ARE the dishwasher.;)
[03:06:20] <cmn32480> I have a dishwasher
[03:06:26] <cmn32480> been married to her for 10 years
[03:06:30] <Bytram> few sounds are worse than a kid crying; {{{ kid }}} {{{{{ parent }}}}}
[03:06:41] <Bytram> !grab cmn32480
[03:06:41] <Bender> Added quote 28
[03:06:44] * cmn32480 deletes the logs
[03:06:50] <Bytram> too late
[03:06:56] <Bytram> this is a logged channel
[03:07:00] <cmn32480> too bad ti was in two lines
[03:07:25] * Bytram edits his own logs...
[03:07:38] * cmn32480 flushes his own logs
[03:08:13] <cmn32480> though I occassionally need help from aplunger
[03:08:13] * Bytram looks for an axe to cut down more logs
[03:08:27] <Bytram> true story
[03:08:48] <Bytram> have you ever played 'Adventure'
[03:08:56] <Bytram> text based 'game'
[03:09:01] <cmn32480> no
[03:09:12] <cmn32480> games had graphics when I started on computers
[03:09:20] * cmn32480 ducks
[03:09:26] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:09:27] <problematic> ^ 03Wiki: Colossal Cave Adventure
[03:10:02] <Bytram> while writing the game, and adding more 'rooms' and characters, at one point he added a 'dward' that threw an axe at you
[03:10:14] <Bytram> one of the folks playing it said something to the effecxt of
[03:10:24] <Bytram> 'Cool! Now I can go cut down trees in the forest!'
[03:10:33] <Bytram> oops!
[03:10:40] <Bytram> he hadn't see THAT one coming!
[03:10:59] <cmn32480> :-)
[03:11:02] <Bytram> had to add that to the list of impermissible actions
[03:11:25] <Bytram> btw, if you want to play it, just load emacs and then issue: M-X advent
[03:11:41] <Bytram> (press escape, x, and then type advent)
[03:11:46] <cmn32480> you actually editing the ORegon story, or just in it?
[03:11:48] <Bytram> yes, really!
[03:12:06] <Bytram> opened it to read it, not doing anything with it.
[03:12:07] <cmn32480> and THAT is an example of the bloat of emacs
[03:12:58] <Bytram> well, I expect that it is in an external file that gets loaded when you invoke advent
[03:13:06] <Bytram> much like linux modules
[03:13:15] <Bytram> if you don't use it, it does not get loaded
[03:13:59] * Bytram has a magtape of a version of it from back in 1981
[03:14:22] <cmn32480> zoinks
[03:14:24] * Bytram also has a listing and a complete had-generated map, too.
[03:15:03] <Bytram> I think it was a high-capacity tape, too: 6250 bpi
[03:15:11] <Bytram> that's Bits Per Inch
[03:15:14] <cmn32480> lol
[03:15:20] <cmn32480> I know what it meant...
[03:15:37] <cmn32480> jsut becaseu you are talking about a tech that was in use the year I was born....
[03:17:04] <Bytram> my printers can put more dots on paper than that magtape stores on magnetic tape!
[03:18:33] <cmn32480> but we can't read it as quick
[03:18:50] <Bytram> cmn32480: for a sense of perspective, if you take all the stories that you posted, and all the stories that I posted, and then add 100 more, we would just catch up with all of the stories that JR posted by himself.
[03:19:00] <cmn32480> I know....
[03:19:08] <cmn32480> I've had that thought
[03:19:25] <Bytram> I shot a quick e-mail to him this AM; no reply yet.
[03:19:42] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[03:19:48] <problematic> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[03:19:51] <cmn32480> I sent one on New Years Day
[03:20:05] <Bytram> I'm not really liking the summary line at the end of that story
[03:20:12] <Bytram> "$46 million buys a lot of dank [strike]weed[/strike] memes xDDdddDdddddd #getnoscoped (has science gone too far?)"
[03:20:29] <cmn32480> to put things in perspective.... LTO-6 tape has 15,143 bpmm
[03:20:36] <Bytram> mostly, I suppose, cause I don't understand the haldf of it.
[03:20:50] <Bytram> bits per MILLIMETER?
[03:20:53] <Bytram> yikes
[03:21:24] <cmn32480> delete it
[03:21:29] <Bytram> that's about 384kbpi
[03:21:43] <Bytram> anyt suggestions for a replacement?
[03:21:54] <cmn32480> https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:21:54] <problematic> ^ 03Wiki: Linear Tape-Open ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[03:22:17] <cmn32480> $46 million buys a lot of WoW Gold.
[03:22:21] <Bytram> $46 million buys a lot of 'recreational supplies.'
[03:22:22] <cmn32480> I think WoW is gold, right?
[03:22:44] * Bytram has never played WoW (World of Warcraft?)
[03:22:49] <cmn32480> me neither
[03:22:52] <cmn32480> takyon
[03:22:56] <Bytram> $46 million buys a lot of 'recreational supplies.'
[03:23:03] <cmn32480> WTF does the last line of the Activision story mean?
[03:23:45] <Bytram> hmmm!!
[03:23:51] <Bytram> $46 million buys a lot of DLC.
[03:24:09] <cmn32480> DLC?
[03:24:17] <Bytram> DownLoadable Content
[03:24:28] <Bytram> what you have to pay for, to play a game, after the game comes out.
[03:25:27] <cmn32480> I think the WoW gold might be the most relevant
[03:25:36] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:25:58] <Bytram> Ragu!
[03:26:02] <Bytram> (It's in there)
[03:26:05] <cmn32480> lol
[03:26:11] <cmn32480> that'd be the poll answer
[03:26:50] * Bytram was wondering if you'd get the reference
[03:27:03] <Bytram> well done
[03:27:12] <cmn32480> I try
[03:27:22] <Bytram> it shows!
[03:27:38] <Bytram> ever play the video game 'Gorf' ??
[03:27:46] <Bytram> 'Nice try space cadet.'
[03:27:56] <cmn32480> nope
[03:28:04] <Bytram> ^^^ uttered in your best robotic-style voice.
[03:28:27] <Bytram> I'm going to need to hang up and take a call shortly.
[03:28:37] <Bytram> thanks for hte chat and the suport -- much obliged.
[03:28:42] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:28:45] <cmn32480> get some rest Bytram
[03:28:49] <cmn32480> you've earned it
[03:29:04] <Bytram|away> ojne last story to 2nd
[03:29:11] <Bytram|away> done
[03:29:17] <Bytram|away> ta ta for now
[03:29:22] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[03:29:24] * exec dexterously cracks open a caravan of boogers for bytram
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[16:12:36] <Bytram|away> http://singularityhub.com
[16:12:42] <cloudshark> ^ 03This Magnetic Wand May Fix Brain Circuits Gone Wrong In Addiction - Singularity HUB
[16:33:04] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[16:33:12] <nick> hey Bender
[16:33:15] <nick> Bytram even
[16:33:30] <nick> Bender can bite my shiny metal ass
[16:33:36] <Bytram> ROFL!
[16:33:51] <Bytram> thanks for the laugh -- much appreciated!
[16:33:56] <nick> how goes
[16:34:26] <Bytram> pretty well, all-in-all. and you?
[16:35:34] <nick> yeah, doing alright
[16:35:39] <nick> booking a trip
[16:35:57] <cmn32480> you gonna take a trip on your favorite rocket ship?
[16:36:07] <cmn32480> zooming through the skies... little Einsteins!
[16:36:21] * Bytram would consider a ride on ANY rocket ship to be a favorite!
[16:37:03] <cmn32480> https://www.youtube.com
[16:37:05] <cloudshark> ^ 03Little Einsteins Theme Song - YouTube
[16:37:17] <Bytram> maybe later
[16:39:23] * mrcoolbp is doing a writeup for the new funding goal today, maybe 2pm release time
[16:39:26] <mrcoolbp> ish
[16:39:35] * mrcoolbp hasn't looked at the queue yet
[16:39:45] <cmn32480> sub it.. I'll fit it in
[16:39:58] <Bytram> yah, np with that!
[16:40:26] <cmn32480> you work today Bytram?
[16:40:36] <Bytram> rare day off
[16:40:41] <cmn32480> WOOOOO!
[16:40:54] <cmn32480> laundry and a visit to the library?
[16:41:04] <cmn32480> or just laundry adn a nap
[16:41:21] <Bytram> I'm practicing procrastinating
[16:41:35] <cmn32480> you shoudl do that later
[16:41:51] * mrcoolbp is procrastinating procrastination
[16:43:07] <Bytram> one of these days, I'll get 'a round tuit'
[16:43:32] <cmn32480> I have a square tuit. Never bothered to round the corners
[16:43:47] <Bytram> I'm sure you've been meaning to file it somewhere
[16:44:01] <cmn32480> 'ventually
[16:44:14] <Bytram> here's an interesting story: http://singularityhub.com
[16:44:14] <cloudshark> ^* 03This Magnetic Wand May Fix Brain Circuits Gone Wrong In Addiction - Singularity HUB
[16:44:46] <cmn32480> same as 30 min ago when you posted it the first time
[16:44:55] <cmn32480> procrastinating finding new material?
[16:45:14] <Bytram> nah, me likes to keep clicking things. :/
[16:45:30] <cmn32480> do it again wiht the same result and it might jsut be insanity
[16:45:30] <nick> chasing the clickbait dragon
[16:49:33] <Bytram> they're not x-ray glasses, but.... http://www.sciencedaily.com
[16:49:33] <cloudshark> ^ 03Cosmic glasses for space exploration -- ScienceDaily
[16:53:33] <cmn32480> gonna leave any for the rest of us Bytram?
[16:53:36] <cmn32480> :-)
[16:54:00] <Bytram> lol
[16:54:17] <Bytram> ima thinking nogo on the apple watch story... you?
[16:54:29] <Bytram> not that I dislike the story, but the POV is kinda 'off'
[16:55:03] <cmn32480> looks like it comes off a blog or editorial
[16:55:15] <Bytram> zactly
[16:56:15] <Bytram> I move to delete; you?
[16:56:16] <cmn32480> "So unless you want to be one of those people who hang on to their BlackBerrys forever, go ahead and get one. You won’t regret it."
[16:56:27] <cmn32480> he's speaking directly to yoU!
[16:56:47] <Bytram> I have still have a little while before I reach forever... I'm not THAT old!
[16:56:59] <cmn32480> it is interesting, but I'm thinking that the snippet isn't right
[16:57:13] <Bytram> excellent point.
[16:57:20] <Bytram> given the watch's popularity,
[16:57:39] <Bytram> there must be quite a few stories out there, and I'm sure there must be one better written that this one
[16:57:47] <Bytram> now, finding it otoh....
[17:00:01] <cmn32480> correct
[17:01:58] <Bytram> cmn32480: btw, unrelated but I have a friend that just got 4 new Dell PCs for their company (desktops) and they have a problem with the system's clock just spntaneous changing
[17:02:07] <Bytram> ever run into anything like that?
[17:02:19] <Bytram> he's tied into one of the NIST servers for NTP
[17:02:48] <Bytram> after I asked a few questions, I was told he disabled a bunch of Dell stuff, so that could be the culprit, too.
[17:04:43] <cmn32480> Assuming Active Directory, make sure the time zones are set properly in the domain and on the PC
[17:05:24] <Bytram> no AD; just a small office with, as far as I know, these 4 PCs and maybe another couple(?)
[17:10:56] <cmn32480> are tehy cahnging minutes or just hours?
[17:12:01] <Bytram> minutes hours days, you name it.
[17:12:11] <Bytram> this is all 2nd hand from a conversation a couple days ago.
[17:12:16] <Bytram> i dont have access to the machines
[17:12:29] <Bytram> i suggested writing a short program
[17:12:53] <Bytram> to loop through getting a timestamp; printing it out, sleeping a few minutes, and repeating
[17:12:57] <Bytram> sending the log to a file
[17:12:58] <cmn32480> check the clock in the Bios. then check that NTP is enabled and functional, making sure that the tz is correct
[17:13:10] <Bytram> at least then there would be an idea of WHEN it happened
[17:13:16] <cmn32480> win 7 or 10
[17:13:20] <Bytram> siad the TZ was correect
[17:13:27] <Bytram> I dunno about the BIOS; good suggestions
[17:13:39] <Bytram> hmmm, I think it was Win 7
[17:13:49] <cmn32480> ok
[17:13:51] <Bytram> I would have screamed bloody murder if it were win 10
[17:13:57] <cmn32480> lol
[17:14:14] <Bytram> it's at an accountant's office
[17:14:22] <cmn32480> yick
[17:14:23] <cmn32480> even worse
[17:14:30] <Bytram> last thing they need is MS telemetry getting hold of any of their info
[17:14:39] <Bytram> my thoughts, exactlyt.
[17:17:52] * mrcoolbp is almost done assessing financials
[17:18:53] * cmn32480 calls dibs
[17:19:10] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[17:19:10] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 29
[17:19:58] <cmn32480> ooooo looks liek I broke VMware....
[17:20:03] <cmn32480> nice!
[17:21:17] <Bytram> cmn32480: is growing in breaking-things skills!
[17:21:30] <cmn32480> I have learned at the feet of the amster
[17:21:41] <cmn32480> s/amster/hamster/
[17:21:42] <Bytram> of the hamster?
[17:21:43] <exec> <cmn32480> I have learned at the feet of the hamster
[17:21:54] <cmn32480> ninja'd!
[17:21:54] <Bytram> beat ya to it
[17:21:58] <Bytram> again!
[17:22:01] <cmn32480> lol
[17:22:10] <cmn32480> we're sick
[17:22:14] <cmn32480> very very sick
[17:22:18] <Bytram> my hamster wheel must have a smaller diameter than yours.
[17:24:00] <cmn32480> or it got greased
[17:24:26] <Bytram> grease is the word is the word is the word
[17:24:44] <cmn32480> b b b bird bird bird b b b bird is the word
[17:25:19] <Bytram> ??? big bird?
[17:27:25] <cmn32480> The Trashmen - Surfin Bird
[17:27:35] <cmn32480> early 1960's sometime, I think
[17:27:45] * cmn32480 googles
[17:28:04] <cmn32480> https://www.youtube.com
[17:28:09] <cloudshark> ^ 03The Trashmen - Surfin Bird - Bird is the Word 1963 (RE-MASTERED) (ALT End Video) (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube
[17:28:27] <cmn32480> far funnier on Family guy
[17:28:33] <cmn32480> https://www.youtube.com
[17:28:34] <cloudshark> ^ 03FAMILY GUY | Bird is the Word! | FOX BROADCASTING - YouTube
[17:29:05] <Bytram> ahhh, I get the idea now. /me hasn't watched TV since last super bowl
[17:29:27] <Bytram> speaking of supper... ;) time for lunch... biab
[17:29:27] <Bytram> afk
[17:29:34] <cmn32480> good thought
[18:06:38] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: http://www.bbc.co.uk
[18:06:41] <cloudshark> ^ 03Pre-orders for Oculus Rift begin on 6 January - BBC News ( http://www.bbc.co.uk )
[18:06:47] <Bytram> =)
[18:07:03] <mrcoolbp> WTF REally?!?!?
[18:07:35] <Bytram> yuppers!
[18:07:41] <mrcoolbp> holy shit yeah
[18:07:45] <Bytram> thought you might be, ummm, 'interested'
[18:07:49] <Bytram> =)
[18:08:10] <Bytram> https://www.oculus.com
[18:08:11] <cloudshark> ^ 03Blog — Oculus Rift Pre-Orders to Open on January 6
[18:08:27] <mrcoolbp> wow, that was posted after I checked my VR sources when I woke up, and during my financial goal calculations!
[18:08:44] <Bytram> In May, Oculus boss Brendan Iribe said a Rift and a PC capable of powering it should cost $1,500 (£1,000) in total. The firm has said the finished consumer-ready headset should be in the "same ballpark" as the $350 cost of its earlier prototypes.
[18:15:48] <mrcoolbp> Breaking news anyone?
[18:16:19] <cmn32480> only for you!
[18:18:35] <mrcoolbp> takyon: ping
[18:18:40] <mrcoolbp> and him ^
[18:19:32] <mrcoolbp> takyon: oculus pre-orders start Jan 6th
[18:23:33] <nick> so not breaking news
[18:23:40] <nick> but news, i'll give you that
[18:36:50] <mrcoolbp> = (
[18:37:16] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: I have to run some errands, won't be able to finish story for at least 2 hours, let me know if you will still be around
[18:37:24] <mrcoolbp> maybe 1.5 hours = )
[18:37:33] <cmn32480> I'll be here until about 5: or 5:30
[18:39:22] <mrcoolbp> k
[19:25:27] Bytram is now known as Byttam|away
[19:26:03] <Byttam|away> sleep calls; had too short a night and too large a lunch.
[19:26:07] <Byttam|away> catch you all later!
[19:26:18] <Byttam|away> hopefully tonight, but hard to say for sure.
[19:26:40] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[19:26:42] * exec accidentally offers a caravan of g'day juice to bytram
[19:26:51] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram|away
[19:26:54] * exec fanatically postulates a buzz saw of vibrating rooster sammich towards bytram|away
[20:09:51] <nick> ahoy, cmn32480
[20:10:03] <cmn32480> chips, nick!
[20:10:16] * cmn32480 thinsk we got that backerds
[20:10:50] <nick> lol
[20:13:42] <nick> so the good(?) news is i should be around doing a bit more editing over the next couple weeks
[20:14:14] <cmn32480> WOO HOO!
[20:14:28] * cmn32480 waits for the other shoe to drop
[20:14:47] <nick> the bad news?
[20:15:00] <cmn32480> yep
[20:15:05] <cmn32480> there is always somethign
[20:15:20] <cmn32480> "you won $200 Million in the lottery"
[20:15:26] <cmn32480> YOu have 48hrs to linve
[20:15:40] <nick> well, i'm going on a trip in a couple months, so the editing might suffer again then
[20:15:46] <cmn32480> "We are having a baby!"
[20:15:52] <cmn32480> "It's twins!"
[20:16:01] <nick> lol
[20:16:02] <cmn32480> see... shit like that!
[20:16:13] <cmn32480> cool
[20:16:15] <cmn32480> wher you going?
[20:16:35] <nick> south america
[20:16:43] <nick> some research
[20:16:44] <cmn32480> nifty
[20:16:56] <cmn32480> wave to my parents if you see them
[20:16:57] <nick> not much of a vacation, but i intend to enjoy it
[20:17:31] <cmn32480> they'll be down around Tierra del Fuego early next year
[20:17:35] <cmn32480> very nice
[20:17:41] <cmn32480> sounds like a good time
[20:17:55] <nick> i'm starting in Uruguay and going to try and do Argentina and Brazil as excursions.
[20:18:28] <cmn32480> with a tour group?
[20:18:42] <cmn32480> SA can be dangerous
[20:19:16] <nick> indeed, i'm going to take precautions. but i will be by myself, i have arranged a place to stay for the duration, but am flexible depending on what comes up
[20:19:31] <nick> i have made a couple of contacts to help me out
[20:19:48] <cmn32480> very nice!
[20:20:01] <cmn32480> jsut be careful
[20:20:04] <nick> hire car is more expensive than i'd like
[20:20:19] <cmn32480> I assume you speak spanish and/or Portugese?
[20:21:05] <nick> i used to speak a little, but not anymore, will be trying to learn a little. but the contacts i have speak english or expats, so i'm going to have a degree of help
[20:21:32] <cmn32480> very cool
[20:21:39] <cmn32480> what's the research into?
[20:23:05] <nick> considering business opportunities and investing in land
[20:23:15] <cmn32480> excelletn
[20:23:33] <cmn32480> thinking about getting the hell out and becoming an expat yourself, eh?
[20:23:39] <nick> well, doing it again
[20:23:56] <nick> learning from mistakes, different approach, better environment
[20:24:09] <cmn32480> that';s right.. you live in Australia(?) for a time, didn't you?
[20:24:59] <nick> i spent almost a year in australia and then moved to the caribbean to see what that was like, as the parents retired out there
[20:25:28] <cmn32480> apparently my memory is not as faulty as I thought! :-)
[20:25:37] <nick> planned to go back to australia, but the investment is not worth it after due consideration and the moving goalposts of immigration
[20:26:00] <cmn32480> south america tends to be a little more cash friendly too
[20:26:17] <cmn32480> the dollar buying a lot more there than here or the UK
[20:26:41] <nick> Uruguay specifically is not very cheap, for consumer goods
[20:27:43] <nick> but quality and availability of land, stable democracy, a just about viable economy, low population
[20:28:34] <cmn32480> if it is gonna make you happy, I wish you the best of luck on it
[20:28:46] <nick> time will tell, that's what the trip is for
[20:29:29] <nick> there's never a perfect time to do these things, i'd like to take some chances instead of getting into a $500k mortgage
[20:30:57] <cmn32480> take the chance BEFORE you have a shitload of money on the line.
[20:31:03] <cmn32480> sounds like a good choice
[20:31:09] <nick> yup
[20:31:38] <nick> couldn't buy a studio apartment in the worst part of town for the money involved.
[20:31:52] <cmn32480> before a wife adn kids (if that is in the cards)
[20:32:01] <cmn32480> maybe find yourself a nice little senorita
[20:34:38] <cmn32480> or a senor if that is your preference
[20:35:17] <nick> if we ever did decide to have kids, i would want to be able to provide for them a better life than i have had... and i feel there's not a way to do that here
[20:36:06] <cmn32480> you gotta follw your heart
[20:36:19] <cmn32480> no other way.
[20:36:57] <nick> i never came back to the UK wanting to stay, just a means to and end
[20:37:01] <nick> an*
[20:38:24] <nick> weirdly today, i heard a 'colleague' of mine is in Brazil, but on far less reasoned grounds one could say...
[20:40:12] <cmn32480> he have the money he owes yoU?
[20:41:13] <nick> he doesn't owe me any money, but he did leave with a few jobs i was supposed to get
[20:41:29] <nick> not surprised by it though
[20:41:48] <cmn32480> my next question was if you got him pregnant with twins
[20:42:25] <nick> thats not how i recall things happening
[20:42:50] <cmn32480> he got you pregnant with twins?
[20:43:45] <nick> not that i remember, but it could explain the bump...
[22:24:42] <mrcoolbp> finally back
[22:25:17] <mrcoolbp> phew
[22:25:29] * mrcoolbp tries to bang out a quick article