#editorial | Logs for 2015-12-31
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[02:02:39] <Bytram> cmn32480: !!
[02:03:14] <cmn32480> bytram !!
[02:03:28] <Bytram> Bon Jour, Senor!
[02:03:48] <Bytram> how's things? getting any time off?
[02:03:52] <cmn32480> nope
[02:03:55] <cmn32480> the usual
[02:04:02] <cmn32480> we'll get out early tomorrow, but that's it
[02:04:17] <Bytram> well, a bit is better than none!
[02:04:32] <cmn32480> exactly
[02:04:34] <Bytram> any chance you could fire up arthur? sub queue is looking sparse
[02:06:23] <cmn32480> I can
[02:07:36] <Bytram> would appreciate it, kind sir.
[02:07:57] <cmn32480> will do. but I have a few thigns that I have to get done first
[02:08:12] <cmn32480> litter box duty... owe my fitbit about 4000 steps for the day
[02:08:54] <Bytram> cmn32480: strap the fitbit to the kitty and start the vacuum cleaner?
[02:09:19] <cmn32480> great idea... but that doens't do my waistline any good
[02:09:40] <Bytram> then, chase after the cat
[02:09:42] <Bytram> ;)
[02:39:33] <Bytram> i'm thinking to try and write up a quick new year's story on reflections on the past year for the site and also to offer a place for people to post their resolutions... will anyone be around to 2nd it in the next hour or so?
[02:39:45] <cmn32480> yeah
[02:39:54] <cmn32480> I shoudl be back fairly soon
[02:39:59] <Bytram> kewel!!
[02:40:02] <cmn32480> an hour, 90 min
[02:40:05] <Bytram> np
[02:41:00] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|biab
[02:41:07] <Bytram> lol
[03:14:17] <Bytram> cmn32480|biab: story is in the submissions queue. It's a bit quick-n-dirty, and I'm not so sure about how well the 'resolutions' part works. Am VERY open to ideas/feedback.
[03:15:21] <Bytram> I've got the DB open atm, so if there are other stats you can think of, I'll try and see what i can do about those, too.
[03:15:32] <Bytram> break time; back in a bit
[03:16:18] <Bytram> doh! here's a link to the submission: https://soylentnews.org
[03:16:19] <problematic> ^ 03SN Submission by martyb: Reflections and Resolutions
[03:16:27] <Bytram> afk biab
[03:23:46] <Bytram> btk (back To Keyboard)
[04:01:47] <cmn32480|biab> back
[04:01:52] cmn32480|biab is now known as cmn32480
[04:01:53] <Bytram> wb
[04:02:01] <Bytram> all exercised?
[04:02:31] <cmn32480> lol
[04:02:33] <cmn32480> yeah
[04:02:37] <cmn32480> my fitbit hit 10k
[04:02:48] * Bytram might take to calling cmn32480 'The Exercist'
[04:02:52] <Bytram> ;)
[04:02:58] <cmn32480> hilarious
[04:03:19] <Bytram> hit 10k? How hard CAN you throw things? that's quite an altitude!
[04:03:40] <cmn32480> I fly a lot
[04:04:00] <Bytram> anyway, I'm not too keen on the 2nd part of the story; the 'Resolutions' part. would appreciate your candid feedback.
[04:04:05] <cmn32480> but my arms get tired from all that flapping
[04:04:12] <Bytram> LOL!!
[04:13:53] <Bytram> cmn32480: if you decide to run the 'Resolutions and Reflections' story, feel free to put it out at 05:06 and push the PA story from 05:07 to 17:06 or so.
[04:14:04] <cmn32480> 12 hours?
[04:14:06] <cmn32480> sheesh
[04:14:22] * cmn32480 needs to look at the queue before commenting
[04:14:25] <Bytram> iow, push the PA story to the end of the story queue.
[04:14:44] <cmn32480> Dad'll be mad that we pushed the PA story
[04:14:50] <cmn32480> it's about him afterall
[04:15:03] <Bytram> just seemed the easiest move to make,
[04:15:04] <cmn32480> I rather like the way the resolutions section is phrased
[04:15:10] <Bytram> feel free to rearrange as you wishj
[04:15:16] <cmn32480> Dad Pa
[04:15:19] <Bytram> awww, thanks
[04:15:22] <cmn32480> bad joke...
[04:15:24] <cmn32480> I know
[04:15:25] <Bytram> Oh.
[04:15:27] <Bytram> doh
[04:15:33] <Bytram> too late. /me is tired.
[04:15:38] <cmn32480> understood
[04:15:40] * cmn32480 is too
[04:15:48] <Bytram> {{{ cmn32480 }}}
[04:15:53] <Bytram> hugs are good for the soul.
[04:16:01] <cmn32480> amen
[04:16:08] <cmn32480> and good soles are good for the feet
[04:16:09] <Bytram> otoh, doesn't do much for the sleep. :/
[04:16:13] <Bytram> LOL!
[04:16:26] <cmn32480> {{{bytram}}}
[04:16:31] <cmn32480> yer a good man Charlie Brown
[04:16:38] <Bytram> gracias, mein freund!
[04:17:25] <cmn32480> and I will push a bunch from Arthur this evening as well to give us some fodder for the am
[04:18:41] <Bytram> might be better to wait until the AM to fire up arthur. I expect a [nearly] empty queue will prompt a few more submissions from the community.
[04:19:02] <cmn32480> yes. but I generally put them in and move to hold
[04:19:08] <cmn32480> but either way
[04:19:18] * Bytram never thinks to look in 'hold'
[04:19:29] <cmn32480> me neither...
[04:19:38] <cmn32480> unless I ahve stuff from Arthur in there
[04:20:02] <cmn32480> have posted a question in #soylent for poll topics
[04:20:17] <Bytram> do you see any changes/corrections tomake to the R&R (hey!) story?
[04:20:34] <Bytram> s/tomake/to make/
[04:20:41] <cmn32480> no
[04:20:44] <cmn32480> am timiong it now
[04:20:47] <Bytram> k
[04:21:15] <cmn32480> from the thoughts on the new year dept?
[04:21:30] * Bytram ponders
[04:21:43] <cmn32480> learn from the past to plan for the future?
[04:21:56] <Bytram> maybe something along the lines of 'failing to plan is to plan to fail'
[04:22:03] <Bytram> I like yours better
[04:23:12] <Bytram> from the 'why not R&R each day?' dept
[04:23:32] <Bytram> and change the title to: 'R&R: Reflections and Resolutions'
[04:23:45] <cmn32480> a little R&R is good for the soul
[04:23:46] <cmn32480> dept
[04:23:56] <Bytram> works.
[04:24:10] <cmn32480> both kinds!
[04:24:11] <Bytram> and a little K&R is coode for the code
[04:24:21] <Bytram> :P
[04:24:33] <Bytram> s/coode/good/
[04:24:45] <Bytram> the later it gets the better able am I to make tpoys
[04:25:04] <cmn32480> 'zactly
[04:25:08] <cmn32480> get some rest Bytram
[04:25:17] <Bytram> goose /gander ?
[04:25:23] <cmn32480> I'll second the current crop and head to bed myself
[04:25:34] <Bytram> i'll 2nd the R&R
[04:26:05] <cmn32480> k I'm out of it
[04:26:33] <Bytram> did you have any ideas for other things to count for the reflections part? I had a big bold 'WHAT ELSE?' in there.
[04:26:52] <Bytram> what else happened on our site over thepast year?
[04:28:19] <cmn32480> Editors passing thoruhg the thousand story makr
[04:28:20] <Bytram> looks like takyon is already looking at R&R
[04:28:29] <Bytram> hmm, who dat?
[04:28:44] <cmn32480> you, me, nick,
[04:28:58] <cmn32480> janrinok hit 2000, then 2500!
[04:28:58] <Bytram> nod nod
[04:35:36] <cmn32480> bytram - if we don't use gewg_'s dept line, we ought to take it out of the article
[04:36:01] <Bytram> agreed; missed that one.
[04:36:03] <Bytram> good catch!
[04:36:11] <cmn32480> teamwork++
[04:36:11] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 53
[04:36:22] <Bytram> teamwork++ indeed!
[04:36:23] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 54
[04:37:12] <cmn32480> I dont' think takyon is 2nding the R&R story
[04:37:54] <cmn32480> 'nother one from gewg_
[04:37:59] <Bytram> yeah, I think you're right. I'm adding a bit about editor's milestones, and also p666 reaching 1000 submissions
[04:38:07] <cmn32480> ok
[04:38:39] * Bytram takes one more oook/see
[04:38:44] <Bytram> *look/see
[04:39:59] <cmn32480> nice :-)
[04:40:35] <cmn32480> sheesh... I did 1000 stories in like 9 months
[04:40:57] <Bytram> offhand, how many staff support the site (besides us editors)? NC, MrCool, PJ, TMB, JGGS, audiofellow, mechanicman... any others
[04:41:01] <Bytram> ??
[04:41:21] <cmn32480> other than eds?
[04:41:24] <Bytram> no, I mean that *I* am taking one more look/see at the story.
[04:41:24] <Bytram> yep
[04:41:47] * Bytram was trying to not ping them, but should be clear whom I was referencing
[04:41:48] <cmn32480> crutch and chroms
[04:41:51] <cmn32480> unofficially
[04:41:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[04:42:02] <Bytram> yeah, but they keep the wiki clean anfd fresh
[04:42:26] <cmn32480> p666 is coming on as a dev
[04:42:31] <cmn32480> I believe
[04:42:33] <Bytram> noice!
[04:43:02] <cmn32480> poutine
[04:43:53] <cmn32480> EF as the resident troll
[04:43:56] <Bytram> as for eds, besides you, me, niick, and JR -- the other active eds this year are? coolpalm, takyoff, and Azrrrael??
[04:44:08] <cmn32480> yep
[04:44:14] <Bytram> any others?
[04:44:18] <cmn32480> LamX
[04:44:23] <cmn32480> occassionally
[04:44:24] <Bytram> ahh!
[04:44:28] <Bytram> yuppers!
[04:44:45] <cmn32480> NotSungwhine for a while
[04:45:00] <Bytram> true
[04:45:15] <Bytram> I fear to start mention all the staff - gonna leave someone out.
[04:47:06] <cmn32480> don't
[04:47:22] <Bytram> yeah.
[04:47:23] <cmn32480> roughly XXX staff members at any given time
[04:49:40] <Bytram> thirty?
[04:50:07] <chromas> pornographic staff
[04:50:08] <cmn32480> no way
[04:50:09] <chromas> members
[04:50:17] <Bytram> as much as I want to recognize the eds, doesn't seem right to do that without also including the rest of the staff.
[04:50:27] <Bytram> I move that we strike the eds accomplishemnts
[04:50:30] <cmn32480> more like 20-25
[04:50:34] <Bytram> nod nod
[04:50:41] <chromas> You have to leave some out, that way we can bitch in the comments :)
[04:50:53] <cmn32480> that'll happen anyway
[04:52:01] <Bytram> I'm pulling part of the story; posting it here if you decide we really want it back in.
[04:52:02] <Bytram> <p> Some items of note on that page: three editors (<a href="https://soylentnews.org/~martyb">martyb</a>,
[04:52:02] <Bytram> <a href="https://soylentnews.org/~n1">n1</a>, and <a href="https://soylentnews.org/~cmn32480">cmn32480</a>) reached the milestone of over 1000 stories posted — and another editor (janrinok) surpassed 2500 stories posted. Also, user <a href="https://soylentnews.org/~Phoenix666/">phoenix666</a> submitted his 1000th story this past year.
[04:52:04] <problematic> ^ 03martyb - SoylentNews User
[04:52:23] <problematic> ^ 03n1 - SoylentNews User
[04:52:23] <problematic> ^ 03cmn32480 - SoylentNews User
[04:52:23] <problematic> ^ 03Phoenix666 - SoylentNews User
[04:52:28] <cmn32480> kill it
[04:52:51] <cmn32480> interesting... the bot recognized that there were 4 kinks in the paste
[04:52:54] <cmn32480> neat
[04:53:21] * Bytram liked listening to 'The Kinks' back in the day
[04:53:27] <cmn32480> Th Who?
[04:54:18] <Bytram> that's DOCTOR who, to you
[04:54:36] <cmn32480> Fair 'nuff
[04:54:38] <cmn32480> time for bed
[04:55:52] <Bytram> could you please do one more readthru on R&R
[04:57:01] <Bytram> cmn32480: ^^^
[04:57:14] <cmn32480> working it
[04:57:19] <Bytram> thanks!
[04:58:03] <cmn32480> well done!
[04:58:58] <Bytram> it's as much art, geting a 'feel' for the sense of the message that is being passed, as it is technically getting the grammar correct and all.
[04:59:08] <Bytram> teamwork++
[04:59:08] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 55
[04:59:12] <cmn32480> amen
[04:59:15] <cmn32480> teamwork++
[04:59:15] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 56
[04:59:18] <Bytram> and with that, bed soundslike a MARVELOUS idea!
[04:59:24] <cmn32480> now... off to bed for real!
[04:59:26] <Bytram> sleep well, my friend!
[04:59:31] <cmn32480> you too bytram
[04:59:36] <cmn32480> see you tomorrow, most likely
[04:59:56] <Bytram> 'real' is only one dimension of the complex number plane.
[04:59:58] <Bytram> yep.
[05:00:18] <Bytram> wanna guess how many stories will appear in the queu by, say, 0700 EST?
[05:00:28] <Bytram> nah, make it 0800
[05:00:37] <Bytram> ima guess there will be 8 stories.
[05:00:48] <Bytram> and you?
[05:00:56] <cmn32480> 8 according to the stories page
[05:01:37] <Bytram> try again, I am guess how many stories the community will submit overnight, up to an including 0800 EDT.
[05:01:40] <cmn32480> assuming 0800UTC
[05:01:47] <cmn32480> oh
[05:01:49] <cmn32480> 5
[05:01:50] <Bytram> s/guess/guessing/
[05:02:01] <cmn32480> Arthur not included
[05:02:17] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|sleepin
[05:02:20] <Bytram> right, nor anything coming from you, me, or our IPIDs, etc.
[05:02:25] <cmn32480|sleepin> ~gnight bytram
[05:02:26] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[05:02:27] * exec spontaneously poops a tinfoil hat of glowballs for bytram
[05:02:35] <Bytram|away> ~g'night cmn32480|sleepin
[05:02:37] * exec unjustifiably blows a cold can of red cordial at cmn32480|sleepin
[11:07:26] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[12:32:43] cmn32480|sleepin is now known as cmn32480
[12:35:19] <Bytram> well, with 25 minutes to go before 8am there are currently 6 submissions in the queue... nice!
[13:27:04] <Bytram> cmn32480: atm, there are 7 stories in the submission queue. Not quite the 8 that I predicted, but I went over on the guess so you win with your prediction of 5 stories!
[13:27:26] <cmn32480> what do I win???
[13:28:19] <cmn32480> and do I need to run rthur?
[13:28:30] <cmn32480> s/rthur/Arthur/
[13:28:54] <Bytram> Ijust updated the R&R story to include counts for number of journal entries made and the total number of hits on all of the stories.
[13:29:25] <cmn32480> 10-4
[13:29:35] <Bytram> I dunno about arthur, It's up to you as to whether or not you think we'll need more subs to make it through the day and night.
[13:30:00] <Bytram> atm, given that 7 stories were posted overnight, I'm thinking it will not be necessary.
[13:30:11] <Bytram> let's leave it to the community to supply for themselves as much as possible.
[13:30:16] <cmn32480> what I would LIKE, is to have us full through tomorrow mornign so I don't ahve to think abotu it tonight
[13:30:41] <cmn32480> and I'd like to do that before I leave work at 12 or 1pm
[13:30:59] <Bytram> hmmm
[13:32:09] <cmn32480> and do we give a flying fart about Bill Cosby?
[13:32:13] <Bytram> lessee.... 6 stories avail in sub queue, space 'em at 2 hours apart ==> 12 hours coverage. 18:47 + 12h ==> 06:00 posting time of last story
[13:32:30] <Bytram> and another couple hours before another story would be needed
[13:33:06] <Bytram> I'm sure some do, but I am not terribly interested. doesn't really fit our 'norm'
[13:33:38] <cmn32480> i think that is a binned submission
[13:33:40] <Bytram> so, I'm thinking that if we get, say, another 3 or 4 stories in the next few hours, we will be good to go.
[13:34:33] <cmn32480> and the upcycle christmas tree thing?
[13:34:34] <Bytram> this looks interesting: http://go.theregister.com
[13:34:36] <cmn32480> really?
[13:34:36] <problematic> ^ 03Microsoft to begin alerting users about suspected government snooping • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[13:34:46] * Bytram looks
[13:35:08] <Bytram> blegh.
[13:35:15] <cmn32480> and if you send them to a landfill, they are gonan decompose adn emit CO2
[13:35:21] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:35:28] <Bytram> ditto for mulch
[13:35:42] <Bytram> nice concept, not so good implementation
[13:35:44] <cmn32480> because if you DON'tT send them to the land fill, they will decompose and emit Unicorns and rainbowS!
[13:35:51] <Bytram> I vote to delete.
[13:35:59] <Bytram> unicorns++
[13:35:59] <Bender> karma - unicorns: 1
[13:36:04] <cmn32480> lol
[13:36:11] <cmn32480> cut down trees decompose
[13:36:19] <cmn32480> I learned that in 2nd grade science
[13:36:42] <cmn32480> methinks that both the gewg_ subs are trash
[13:37:22] <cmn32480> Christmas tree sub is deleted
[13:37:32] <Bytram> thanks
[13:37:34] <cmn32480> Bill Cosby too, yes?
[13:37:40] * Bytram looks at the BC story
[13:39:51] <Bytram> story is reasonablt well-written, but not really something I'd like to see on our site... it's just too, ummm, celebrity-fodder-ish
[13:40:12] * Bytram does not want SN to start resembling People magazine, etc.
[13:40:18] <Bytram> I move to delete it.
[13:40:46] <cmn32480> agreed
[13:40:54] <cmn32480> Done.
[13:41:17] <Bytram> I'mwriting up the MS alerting story. should be done soon
[13:41:42] <cmn32480> ok
[13:42:25] <cmn32480> the donald trump one is kinda meh too
[13:44:54] * Bytram clicks preview story
[13:45:33] * Bytram clicks submit
[13:46:23] <Bytram> bah, and I just now see this: http://www.bbc.co.uk
[13:46:24] <problematic> ^ 03Microsoft to warn of nation-state hacks - BBC News ( http://www.bbc.co.uk )
[13:46:47] <cmn32480> DOH
[13:51:13] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[13:51:14] <problematic> ^ 03Five key findings from 15 years of the International Space Station • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[13:54:18] <Bytram> https://theconversation.com
[13:54:19] <problematic> ^ 03Five key findings from 15 years of the International Space Station
[13:55:35] * Bytram will use the conversation story instead of el ref
[13:55:37] <Bytram> *reg
[13:56:23] <nick> Bytram: !!
[13:56:31] <Bytram> nick: happy new year!
[13:57:15] <nick> happy to ye olde new year to you too
[13:58:08] <Bytram> merci!
[13:58:21] <nick> any plans for the evening?
[13:58:23] <cmn32480> nick !!
[13:58:35] <nick> cmn32480: !!
[13:58:43] <cmn32480> Happy New Year
[13:59:36] <nick> new happy year!
[14:07:26] * Bytram is almost done with another sotry submission
[14:07:45] * Bytram clicks submit
[14:07:53] <Bytram> ok, i gtg; hope to check back in later.
[14:08:08] <cmn32480> okie!
[14:08:11] <Bytram> have a great day,e veryone! H A P P Y N E W Y E A R ! ! !
[14:08:14] <cmn32480> be safe bytram in case I don't see you
[14:08:20] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram!
[14:08:22] * exec unjustifiably flings a wine flute of boogers at bytram!
[14:14:35] <cmn32480> damnit... if I post sotires past midnight UTC, I have to change ALL the digits of the date..
[14:27:21] <Bytram> back for a short while.
[14:27:40] <Bytram> just updated the MS warning story to add text from the BBC article... needs a 2nd
[14:28:53] <cmn32480> will do
[14:29:58] <nick> just did it
[14:30:20] <cmn32480> hehe... me too!
[14:30:38] <cmn32480> you make any changes?
[14:31:15] <Bytram> who do you mean by 'you'?
[14:31:23] <cmn32480> nick
[14:31:40] <nick> i removed the rss extras from the bbc link
[14:31:42] <nick> that was it
[14:31:49] <cmn32480> ok
[14:32:22] * Bytram is adding a footnote to the Northern Lights story
[14:32:26] <cmn32480> I musta clicked in after you saved
[14:35:20] * Bytram added a (pdf) to the wikipedia story.
[14:40:53] <Bytram> darn. http://spaceweather.com is reporting that the CME (Coronal Mass Ejection) that hit on dec 31 @ 00:30 UTC did NOT produce a geomagnetic storm. "Auroras are still possible in the hours ahead as Earth moves through the CME's turbulent wake, but so far this has not been a significant space weather event. "
[14:40:54] <problematic> ^ 03SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids
[14:45:55] <Bytram> cf: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov
[14:45:56] <problematic> ^ 03Homepage | NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center
[14:49:54] <Bytram> https://theintercept.com
[14:49:55] <problematic> ^* 03Spying on Congress and Israel: NSA Cheerleaders Discover Value of Privacy Only When Their Own Is Violated
[14:54:25] * Bytram finished 2nding all stories EXCEPT: https://soylentnews.org
[14:54:26] <problematic> ^ 03Error
[14:54:36] <Bytram> Five Key Findings From 15 Years of the International Space Station
[14:54:55] * Bytram submitted the story, so I'm not a good one to double check the submission.
[14:55:10] <Bytram> nick: any chance you could 2nd that story? ^^^
[15:04:29] <nick> yup
[15:04:41] <nick> just went to the store
[15:05:42] <nick> taking a look now
[15:15:59] <Bytram> much obliged
[15:25:33] <cmn32480> sorry... had to pull an order for shipment
[15:26:09] <Bytram> np
[15:26:40] <Bytram> I just submitted a GREAT story on privacy... too bad it'll likely go out when fewer people will be looking at it here.
[15:26:52] <Bytram> then again, you never know.
[15:28:41] * Bytram notes they are doing blasting nearby and every 30-60 minutes they sound some horns, pause, more horn sounding, ... KA BOOM!, and another horn.
[15:28:57] <nick> the spying story is an interesting one
[15:29:36] <Bytram> thanks!
[15:29:36] <cmn32480> mendax is kicking some goosd stuff in today
[15:29:50] <Bytram> it's too late for Ian, but this could be a really good stroy, too: http://nautil.us
[15:29:52] <problematic> ^ 03Could Ketamine Be Used to Vaccinate for Depression or PTSD?
[15:29:54] <cmn32480> the stuff from that martyb guy is rubbish
[15:29:56] <nick> the intelligence services snake eating itself, it appears
[15:30:16] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:30:33] <nick> not going to rtfa
[15:30:42] <nick> k-holes and depression, sounds lovely
[15:30:53] <cmn32480> neither will anybody else nick
[15:31:17] <nick> well i will, just after making the broad observation :p
[15:31:32] <Bytram> actually, it points out the LACK of efficacy with conventional SSRIs, etc. and how there are almost immediate beneficial effects from using ketamine (in controlled doses).
[15:31:50] <nick> i don't disagree as such
[15:31:57] <Bytram> and, the results persist after the initial dose.
[15:32:03] <nick> but i'm also concerned about the idea of a 'vaccination' for depression
[15:32:18] <Bytram> yeah, that's a bit excessive.
[15:32:24] <cmn32480> anybody think that, despite convention, the giant from the deep story shoudl have a dept line of: GODZILLA!!!!!!!
[15:32:38] <Bytram> not *entirely* wrong, but in a kind-of you don't really understand this, do you? kind of way.
[15:32:52] <Bytram> works for me.
[15:33:32] <cmn32480> "Hopefully, this noble creature is not turned into sashimi."
[15:33:36] <cmn32480> ncie!
[15:33:57] * Bytram needs one more story posted to break 1300.
[15:33:59] <nick> Bytram: it's more the quest to do away with emotion, depression has a lot of forms, but i really dont believe drugs are the best solution for most people in the situation
[15:34:43] <cmn32480> bytram - currently pushing out at a shade over 2 hours
[15:34:56] <cmn32480> no
[15:35:03] <Bytram> drugs alone, no, but there is a bit of a chemical balance to maintain and when it is off, meds can help. Not entirely sufficent on their own, mind you, but they can help. psychotherapy is also beneficial, but works best when combining both.
[15:35:35] * Bytram has a msg he needs to check; may lose his connectin.
[15:35:39] <cmn32480> the kohlinahr is much mroe effective nick
[15:35:59] <nick> i don't disagree at all, but it is a very subjective and individual thing, anyone i know, including myself that has suffered from depression, has not been going through the same thing in the same way
[15:36:16] <cmn32480> s/kohlinahr/kolinahr/
[15:36:16] <Bytram> true that.
[15:37:03] <cmn32480> .op
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[15:37:08] <nick> i'm concerned about the reliance on medication to control depression, i have myself gone through phases and attempts to just stop myself feeling things, becoming generally apathetic
[15:37:24] <cmn32480> .deop
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[15:37:38] <nick> and the sad thing is, it's possible, and the drugs prescribed can help you on that road
[15:37:43] <Bytram> otoh, likewise having experienced it, there is an understanding between fellow sufferers that exists which health care providers don't really understand. At least not that I have seen.
[15:38:17] <nick> healthcare systems in general are not designed for such problems
[15:38:29] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:38:30] <nick> and are more prone to manipulation than more physical conditions
[15:38:44] <Bytram> yep
[15:39:05] <cmn32480> ~sed
[15:39:09] <cmn32480> ~sed on
[15:39:10] <exec> sed enabled for 10#editorial
[15:39:25] <nick> so, like one time, when i went to seek help from some professionals, i was given some SSRI's and told to let them know how to goes in a couple weeks.
[15:39:28] <Bytram> there's a 'critical point' beyond which getting motvated becomes well-nigh impossible. at that point, meds can be most helpful.
[15:39:31] <nick> i never went back
[15:39:59] <nick> because every time, you just start a process again, they treat it like a viral infection
[15:40:04] <Bytram> yah, it's a lot of guessing to find out what works for any given person. no clear indications as to which will be most effective ahead of time.
[15:40:51] <nick> i was desperate, and it would have been months of different SSRI's before i'd be referred to a specialist of anything
[15:41:42] <Bytram> at least we have moved past the eras of fixing everything with either a lobotomy or electroshock
[15:41:56] <Bytram> waiting is hard whenit feels like life sucks.
[15:42:03] <nick> thankfully, i was able to help myself, and decided i had nothing to lose, so i left it all behind and saw the world on my own terms
[15:42:25] <Bytram> good for YOU!
[15:42:37] <Bytram> I am so glad it worked out.
[15:42:40] <nick> luckily i was in the financial situation to be able to just cash out and go wandering for a while
[15:43:02] <Bytram> takes constant awareness of symptoms arising and taking immediate steps, but so far so good for me.
[15:43:11] <Bytram> ok, I really gtg
[15:43:13] <Bytram> sry
[15:43:16] <Bytram> afk
[15:43:20] <nick> well, if you recall, you helped me out a good bit some time ago Bytram
[15:43:25] * nick hat tip
[15:43:32] <nick> take care
[15:43:54] <cmn32480> it takes a strong person to haul themselves out of depression
[15:44:24] <cmn32480> by their boot straps, I mean
[15:45:01] <nick> it's something i've learned to live with in general, i don't let it control me anymore, at least not as much
[15:45:27] <cmn32480> good
[15:45:53] <cmn32480> knowing it and understanding it are the steps to pulling yourself out of it and dealing wiht it
[15:46:09] <cmn32480> I am glad that you ahve been able to do it
[15:48:44] <nick> i wouldn't wish it on anyone
[15:49:03] <cmn32480> no
[15:49:06] <cmn32480> me neither
[15:49:07] <Bytram> back, noerr would I
[15:49:16] <Bytram> *nor
[15:49:27] <cmn32480> I watched it from the outside when J miscarried about 10 years ago
[15:49:38] <Bytram> ouch.
[15:49:47] <cmn32480> it was awful
[15:50:09] <cmn32480> and that's all about that subject I'd like to talk about
[15:50:11] <Bytram> nothing has been more difficult in my life than watching someone I love suffer, and being absolutely powerless to do anything about it.
[15:50:14] <nick> cmn32480: i'd imagine it can be almost as bad seeing it from the outside, especially someone so close to you
[15:50:19] <Bytram> {{{ cmn32480 }}}
[15:51:21] <cmn32480> thanks
[15:55:54] <nick> anyone got anything planned for this evening?
[15:56:18] <cmn32480> XBox... fallin asleep on the couch before midnight
[15:56:44] <nick> if it wasn't for the xbox, i'd be proud of you
[15:56:45] <nick> :p
[15:57:07] <cmn32480> the kids got it for christmas
[15:57:16] <cmn32480> so it'll be family time
[15:57:54] <cmn32480> until they fall asleep... then Dad gets to play the really GOOD games
[15:58:11] <cmn32480> Gears of war... Fallout
[15:58:39] <nick> good times
[15:58:44] <cmn32480> yeah
[15:58:54] <cmn32480> but first I have to let them beat me up in Disney infinity
[15:59:19] <nick> i only get as far as thinking about playing games, except when someone else in the house is playing eurotrucksim2
[15:59:52] <cmn32480> up sid eto disney infinity is that I get to be Chewbacca
[16:01:33] <nick> https://en.wikipedia.org
[16:01:33] <problematic> ^ 03Wiki: Disney Infinity 3.0
[16:01:35] <nick> that?
[16:01:41] <cmn32480> that
[16:02:05] <nick> interesting
[16:02:13] <cmn32480> it is rather neat
[16:02:35] <cmn32480> different adventures, based on the characters you play and the mission statue that you choose
[16:03:14] <nick> not something i'd heard of, or would normally care for, but as a sandbox game it does seem like a good time
[16:03:21] <cmn32480> it is neat
[16:03:34] <cmn32480> I think you can build your own worlds and such too, but my kids are a bit yong for that
[16:04:02] <nick> seems like there's a lot of replay value, keep the kids entertained for a good time
[16:04:41] <cmn32480> yup
[16:04:53] <cmn32480> and if you dont' want to play the "missions" you run around and blow shit up
[16:06:14] <cmn32480> race in star fighters
[16:06:30] <cmn32480> Tie, X-Wing, Millenium Falcon
[16:06:41] <cmn32480> and if you die, you respawn and keep playing
[16:07:12] <cmn32480> and I get to play with the kids. even my 3 year old likes it
[16:07:16] <nick> i've been kind of mean, some of the familys kids want to play games, i only point them to 'simulator' games.
[16:08:01] <nick> these kids are too smart for their own good sometimes
[16:08:06] <nick> the game is local-multiplayer?
[16:08:10] <Bytram> kaboom (again)
[16:08:14] <cmn32480> yes
[16:08:25] <cmn32480> local 2 player
[16:08:28] <nick> wow, that's a rarity in these days it seems
[16:08:58] <nick> i think i might have a birthday present for someone figured out, heh
[16:09:03] <cmn32480> J and I are pretty careful about what we let them play, as far as age appropriateness
[16:09:22] <cmn32480> the kids don't play the FPS stuff that I like
[16:09:29] <cmn32480> Fallout Gears of War etc.
[16:09:44] <nick> yeah, that's sensible
[16:09:58] <nick> i've been concerned seeing young kids playing gta and the like
[16:10:07] <cmn32480> it is a lot of fun. and you can find entire sets on Amazon of 5 characters adn the mission statue for about $45
[16:10:26] <nick> hearing the discourse of some of the kids also, with the voice chat in fps
[16:10:27] <cmn32480> instead of $35 for 2 characters anc the mission statue and $14 each additional
[16:10:47] <cmn32480> online multiplayer is not even a thought at this point
[16:10:54] <cmn32480> I azm not ready to expose my kids to that
[16:11:00] <nick> your kids are a bit young for all that anyway
[16:11:12] <cmn32480> definetly
[16:11:16] <nick> but having been around young teenagers playing fps games online
[16:12:18] <nick> any sensible kid would stay away from it after stumbling across it, not engage in it
[16:12:25] <cmn32480> right
[16:12:29] <cmn32480> but not all kids aree sensible
[16:12:35] <cmn32480> the jury is still out on mine
[16:12:40] <nick> lol
[16:12:56] <cmn32480> at 3, 5, and 7? no way to know for a while yet
[16:13:41] <nick> i was still a good kid at 7, so yeah, good luck!
[16:13:49] <cmn32480> we need to merge Bytram and p666 on the NSA subs
[16:13:54] <cmn32480> so was I
[16:14:08] * Bytram is STILL a good kid! =)
[16:14:10] <cmn32480> I am handling ti
[16:14:43] <nick> you are Bytram, just a little clumsy with the breaking things.
[16:15:20] <Bytram> I appreciate the kind thoughts, but the breaking things is actually a gift that I have worked to cultivate. =)
[16:15:20] <cmn32480> bytram - you care about sharing the byline w/ p666?
[16:15:26] <Bytram> np
[16:15:29] <cmn32480> good
[16:15:40] <cmn32480> same source, and almost exact same <blockquote>
[16:15:52] <Bytram> I guess I must be doing something right!
[16:16:04] <cmn32480> or he is
[16:16:20] <cmn32480> or.... you are both blockheads
[16:16:26] <Bytram> supertwin powers, activate!
[16:16:38] <cmn32480> GO PLANET!
[16:16:50] * Bytram looks around for a super power ring...
[16:16:59] * Bytram no joy.
[16:17:04] <cmn32480> alls I got is my wedding bands
[16:17:27] <Bytram> more than I've got.
[16:19:03] <Bytram> just saw this in #rss-bot:
[16:19:04] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[16:19:10] <problematic> ^ 03US Spying on Netanyahu Communications: Report | SecurityWeek.Com ( http://www.securityweek.com )
[16:19:50] <Bytram> might tie in with the j'Spying on congress and israel' story
[16:20:09] <cmn32480> checking
[16:21:50] <cmn32480> relevant, but I don't think it adds a ton
[16:22:35] <Bytram> good to know; thanks!
[16:34:01] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[16:34:02] <problematic> ^ 03Supermicro's ability to enable should worry IBM and Lenovo • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[16:47:28] <cmn32480> ~define bye felicia
[16:47:29] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03bye felicia: When someone says that they're leaving and you could really give two shits less that they are. Their name then becomes "felicia", a random bitch that nobody is sad to see go. They're...
[17:04:41] <cmn32480> Happy New Year everybody!
[17:04:53] <cmn32480> I;'m leaving work, and will maybe be back later... maybe not
[17:05:28] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|away