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[10:38:57] <Bytram> takyon: notsanguine: I see you are both in the bitcoin story... are you planning to push it out or just looking?
[10:41:19] <Bytram> I'm going to assume that since the story is still not in the story queue, and is still avail in the submission queue, and it looks like notsanguine loaded it nearly a half-hour ago, that it is still 'up for grabs'... I'm pushing it out now.
[10:48:18] <Bytram> story is out.
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[12:08:57] <CoolHand> hello peeps
[12:09:14] <takyon> hi
[12:09:26] <CoolHand> takyon: !!
[12:09:56] <CoolHand> it just so happens you're one of the ones I was hoping might be here.. I was 2nd'ing your story that marty posted about the bitcoin guy..
[12:10:09] <takyon> are you in the other channel coolhand
[12:10:28] <CoolHand> ? I'm logged into a few
[12:11:11] <CoolHand> oh, do you mean THE other channel?.. I'll have to check if I am
[12:11:26] <takyon> exactly
[12:11:40] <CoolHand> I wasn't.. just joined
[12:11:52] <takyon> did you want to talk about the Bitcoin man?
[12:12:01] <takyon> the Bitman
[12:12:54] <CoolHand> yeah.. you have a link towards the end to a pdf for demorgan.. that link is no good anymore, but there is a google cache for it that is still good..
[12:12:59] <CoolHand> should we include that instead?
[12:13:48] <CoolHand> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com
[12:14:51] <takyon> one sec
[12:15:50] <takyon> yes plz, thanks for the catch
[12:15:59] <takyon> i'll email the El Reg reporter
[12:17:53] <takyon> there's some cruft at the end of your link that you can chop off
[12:17:53] <CoolHand> ok, I updated it..
[12:18:00] <takyon> Identifying you as an Ubuntu user and such
[12:18:55] <CoolHand> ah.. didn't notice that (although not actually ubuntu)... is there a way to clean up?
[12:19:15] <takyon> chop off everything after .pdf
[12:19:23] <takyon> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com
[12:20:19] <CoolHand> ok, updated to that (although my cache hasn't updated yet0
[12:26:30] <takyon> coolhand
[12:26:47] <takyon> make sure the Google/D-Wave copy you are editing has the update I just added
[12:29:49] <CoolHand> hmmph... out of it now b4 I saw that
[12:29:56] <takyon> i think it's fine
[12:30:08] <takyon> check out the bug I just found
[12:30:48] <CoolHand> the "not impressed" link? honestly most of this article is above my head.. but I'll check.. :)
[12:31:08] <takyon> no the bug i'm talking aobut in the othe rchannel
[12:31:10] <takyon> unrelated
[12:31:13] <CoolHand> ah
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[17:10:14] <nick> hey Bytram
[17:10:29] <Bytram> ahoy!
[17:11:51] <Bytram> nick: what's up?
[17:14:32] <nick> everything
[17:14:37] <nick> how about you?
[17:15:31] <Bytram> trying to take it easy during my one day off this week.
[17:15:52] <Bytram> did a load of laundry and am running out of steam, already. :/
[17:17:55] <nick> i know the feeling
[17:18:15] <nick> i'm pretty much burned out in general
[17:19:16] <Bytram> I find it helpful to look beyond the immediate task and envision seeing the result of it being completed -- helps with my motivation
[17:19:32] <Bytram> speaking of which, I'm getting hungry... really should prepare something for lunch!
[17:19:53] <Bytram> baib
[17:19:57] <Bytram> bah
[17:19:58] <nick> i'm always thinking beyond the immediate task, because it's usually a waste of my time
[17:20:05] <Bytram> LOL!
[17:20:12] <Bytram> sense of humor always helps!
[17:20:31] <nick> sadly not trying to be funny
[17:20:44] <Bytram> in that case, you are a natural!
[17:21:25] <nick> is the consequences of running a couple of small businesses, trying to expand, reinvest etc and also filling in the gaps in the wallet with shit and low paid work
[17:22:10] <Bytram> yeah, walking a tightrope on that one.
[17:23:02] <nick> it's what ive been doing for a while, i dont have much option
[17:23:08] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:23:41] <Bytram> my productivity definitely improves when I can afford to pay my rent and buy food!
[17:23:47] <nick> i try not to bitch, but it's very frustrating, feeling ever more trapped by circumstance
[17:24:14] <Bytram> it is helpful to vent frustrations instead of keeping them pent up inside.
[17:24:28] <Bytram> "If you have a problem, share it and then you halve your problem."
[17:24:37] <nick> working 12-16hrs a day, pretty much every day, not really getting anywhere, everyone wants more for less all the time
[17:25:02] <Bytram> ugh -- those are some LONG days!
[17:25:03] <nick> the noose is getting tighter, clients are continuing to roll back, money is vanishing because credit lines are being squeezed
[17:25:41] <nick> shit is going to hit the fan soon, i've seen the writing on the wall from some of my clients
[17:26:09] <Bytram> what, that they will be going under financially?
[17:26:18] <nick> the type of people who have a million dollars in cars on the driveway, suddenly things are getting tight since august/september
[17:26:53] <nick> some might, i doubt they all will, but the point is, all the stuff they're upto is being scaled back, margins are being squeezed
[17:26:59] <nick> money is not coming in like it used to for these people
[17:27:06] <Bytram> I get it now. thanks for the explanation.
[17:27:17] <nick> and these are people in all sorts of industries too
[17:27:36] <nick> from entertainment to property development and professional services
[17:27:52] <Bytram> across the board, then.
[17:27:57] <nick> yup
[17:28:31] <Bytram> hate to say it, but what would help you a lot is if there were a high-profile theft that could have been prevented if they only had a GOOD security system
[17:28:51] <nick> if shit doesn't hit the fan over the next few months and we go back to 2008 and worse economies, i will be amazed.
[17:28:57] <Bytram> people who are afraid of losing what they already have become willing to protect it, if they value it enough.
[17:29:15] <nick> oh they happen all the time, but people are still not willing to pay for it, and generally my profits dont change all that much
[17:29:20] <nick> all the extra goes to the manufacturers
[17:29:21] <Bytram> but they have to perceive the potential loss of being relistic.
[17:29:36] <Bytram> s/of/as being/
[17:29:41] <nick> the competition does a much better job of scaring people
[17:29:44] <Bytram> you know what I mena
[17:29:49] <Bytram> *mean
[17:29:58] <nick> i'm still in the process of diversifying, but it's a lot to manage
[17:30:38] <Bytram> yeah, juggling too many balls at once
[17:30:43] <Bytram> nograb
[17:30:54] <nick> had some other stuff going on with another major client, after the company was taken over, there's been a lot changing and we're trying to not lose it
[17:31:37] <nick> pretty much all the previous management has gone, the company has no direction after being taken over, but still run separately
[17:31:49] <Bytram> ouch.
[17:32:04] <nick> this is multinational bs too
[17:32:09] <Bytram> do you have a handle on where the 'previous management' went?
[17:32:16] <nick> yup
[17:32:29] <Bytram> they liked you once, might be interested in bringing you in to the 'new place'
[17:32:30] <nick> there is strong evidence to suggest, the people who sold the company, waited a year or so
[17:32:32] <nick> and have started up again
[17:32:40] <Bytram> interesting
[17:32:46] <nick> getting all their old clients and management back
[17:32:55] <nick> after the new company fucked it all up
[17:33:41] <Bytram> VERY intersting... kind of like a re-org, but starting fresh with all the 'baggage' jetisoned
[17:33:42] <nick> went from being a family run business to a subsidiary of an international corporation
[17:34:00] <Bytram> so, it's back to 'family run' again?
[17:34:15] <nick> well, where all the old management has gone anyway
[17:34:39] <nick> we havn't been asked to join the new venture yet, but it's still early from what i know
[17:35:13] <Bytram> so, they're still getting things set up at the 10,000' level
[17:35:31] <Bytram> and when they get that straightened out, then they'll be calling on you.
[17:35:36] <Bytram> something nice to look forward to.
[17:36:00] <Bytram> can't beat word-of-mouth when you are known to do a good job at a good price.
[17:36:38] <nick> yeah, there's opportunity around, i need to get back to working on new leads and developing the new services we're offering
[17:36:57] <Bytram> all in your copious amounts of spare time, of course. :/
[17:37:06] <nick> indeed
[17:37:40] <Bytram> sound slike you could use an angel investor to get you some breathing space to really grow the business.
[17:38:07] <nick> there are certain things i'm doing wrong, or we're doing wrong, but i'm not a good business person, don't play the game or do the bullshitting
[17:38:20] <Bytram> cover the current day-to-day stuff while you leverage things to the next level
[17:38:29] <Bytram> gameplaying--
[17:38:29] <Bender> karma - gameplaying: -1
[17:38:33] <nick> pretty much would be the ideal
[17:39:12] <Bytram> of course, the angel would want some kind of cut in the enterprise
[17:39:33] <nick> indeed
[17:40:15] <Bytram> then again, a person at that level would probably have connections and act as a lead generator 'par excellant' and could prolly close sales, too.
[17:40:22] <Bytram> that would be REALLY nice!
[17:40:25] <nick> getting an investment isn't so much the issue, it's the bullshit to get there
[17:40:42] <Bytram> nodnod
[17:41:21] <nick> creating meaningless projections and business plans, playing the game
[17:42:05] <Bytram> meaningless to you, but if *I* were asked to kick in a large chunk of change, I'd kinda like to know what I'd get for my investment aka ROI
[17:42:17] <nick> can only watch so much of how the market moves anyway, the difficulty of playing in the same ballpark as the multinationals and other big players
[17:42:26] <Bytram> yup
[17:42:29] <nick> who can easily dump millions into potential markets to see what floats
[17:43:05] <Bytram> yikes!
[17:43:08] <Bytram> BIG fish.
[17:43:32] <nick> having a real legal team to fight a corner you created is not something i can ever see my business being able to do
[17:43:57] <Bytram> so what are your strengths compared to theirs? Agility? Flexibility? Customization? personal touch?
[17:44:38] <nick> seriously though, i've worked in enough places, i dont care what industry or type of work, i just want to be tangibly productive
[17:45:28] <Bytram> do you get to hear of the times when your systems actually DO protect the owners? Sounds like that would be positive feedback that is currenytly lacking.
[17:47:09] <nick> the security stuff is not so much an issue, it's just where i started, i have been involved in many industries in recent years
[17:49:11] <Bytram> sry, my connection dropped, again.
[17:49:13] <Bytram> :(
[17:49:17] <Bytram> http://www.forbes.com
[17:49:18] <PointerCache> ^ 03Forbes Welcome ( http://www.forbes.com )
[17:51:46] <nick> i can 'make a living' and pay the bills, i have the opportunity to actually turn it into something useful, but there's a serious lack of direction.
[17:53:09] <Bytram> hard to know which way to head when the market is swaying in the breeze of the economy
[17:54:01] <nick> i see all markets swaying down the shithole for varying reasons
[17:54:14] <nick> all the ones i have exposure to anyway
[17:54:52] <Bytram> so, who does well in a down market? Pawn shops, liquor stores, and tobacco. Any others and any possibilities there?
[17:55:05] <Bytram> not just hte store fronts, but hte distributors, too.
[17:55:35] <Bytram> gonna make lunch, back in a few
[17:55:44] <nick> enjoy
[17:55:57] <Bytram> gottta make the tummy stop growling!
[17:56:06] <Bytram> I shall return!
[19:57:30] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[19:57:31] <PointerCache> ^ 03Quantum physics problem proved unsolvable: Godel and Turing enter quantum physics
[20:01:08] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[20:01:09] <PointerCache> ^ 03The amazing camera that can see around corners (w/ video)
[20:02:26] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[20:02:26] <PointerCache> ^ 03Nobel laureates receive prizes in Stockholm
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[20:10:31] <Bytram|away> am exhausted and gonna take a nap... c u all laters
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[21:52:45] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[21:52:47] <PointerCache> ^ 03SpaceX starts nine-day countdown to first flight of the new Falcon • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
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