#editorial | Logs for 2015-11-23

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[02:42:07] <cmn32480> god I hate doing expenses
[02:42:17] <cmn32480> evil necessity... but I hate it
[02:43:21] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[02:43:28] <cmn32480> night Bytram|away
[02:43:47] <Bytram|away> eyelids growing very heavy -- time for sleep.
[02:43:50] <takyon> night away|bytram
[02:43:58] <Bytram|away> cmn32480: and a goo dnight to you, too!
[02:44:02] <cmn32480> ~g'night Bytram|away
[02:45:01] <Bytram|away> got an early day tomorrow, don't know if I'll be able to check in before heading to work. :/
[02:45:09] <cmn32480> np
[02:45:10] <Bytram|away> time will tell!
[02:45:15] <cmn32480> I'll get s'more in tonight
[02:45:23] <cmn32480> get some rest
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[16:19:00] <takyon> I just love writing a full article and getting a lone troll remark
[16:19:11] <takyon> I should just re-release it
[16:27:47] <Phoenix666> hi takyon, i think that's part of the attention balance inherent in the site.
[16:28:31] <takyon> guess so
[16:28:56] <takyon> I have it better than you since your science posts inspire instant vitriol
[16:28:57] <Phoenix666> when you put that much effort into something with dubious return, the de-motivation risk is there
[16:29:05] <Phoenix666> do they?
[16:29:20] <takyon> some of them
[16:29:28] <takyon> wait
[16:31:59] <Phoenix666> my impression of the science posts i submit are that most people don't give a crap
[16:32:28] <Phoenix666> that's ok, except it's contrary to what people say they want
[16:33:40] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[16:33:41] <Linkin`Log> ^ 03SN comment by [02Anonymous Coward] (02Score:3, Insightful)
[16:33:51] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[16:33:51] <Linkin`Log> ^ 03SN comment by [02Anonymous Coward] (02Score:0)
[16:35:19] <takyon> maybe less than I thought. i remmebred it being concentrated on one day
[16:35:46] <takyon> I'll probably post more science. I think the pendulum has swung too far towards politics
[16:36:04] <takyon> including my own subs
[16:36:28] <Phoenix666> those are anonymous snipes
[16:36:50] <Phoenix666> i don't think that they count for much
[16:37:30] <Phoenix666> i'm kind of used to them because there's almost always someone that complains
[16:37:55] <Phoenix666> and then there are attempts, like yours, to provide more substance
[16:38:06] <Phoenix666> and then the only comment you get is a troll
[16:39:00] <Phoenix666> i observe that there are interstices that draw a lot of discussion
[16:39:21] <Phoenix666> code and computer hardware issues that are most of the community's bread-and-butter
[16:39:35] <Phoenix666> and lifestyle issues that surround the technologist at work
[16:39:51] <takyon> but this week is encryption/ISIS week
[16:40:17] <Phoenix666> yeah but that stuff taps into the deeper raison-d'etre of tech
[16:40:40] <Phoenix666> most of us have formed opinions on that stuff
[16:40:56] <Phoenix666> without having had to invest the time to understand, say, biochemistry
[16:42:55] <Phoenix666> anyway, i dropped in to chat because last week i was trying to take advantage of a relatively good story pipeline to help you guys bank against T-day
[16:43:18] <Phoenix666> but there's a good score of those still on HOLD
[16:43:52] <takyon> let me look at the hold
[16:44:02] <Phoenix666> so, the question I wanted to ask was, should I compose some more for that purpose, or are you guys good for the 4-day weekend?
[16:44:06] <takyon> I tend to forget they are there, and I think cmn uses the hold more often
[16:44:44] <takyon> I think we have enough in the hold. I see a bunch of your stories in there
[16:44:44] <takyon> I
[16:44:55] <takyon> I'd say do what I do and just sub whatever grabs your interest
[16:45:23] <Phoenix666> well i ask because i see a lot of you editors submitting stories
[16:45:25] <takyon> i've subbed the pfizer merger/inversion, a MIPS kickstarter, and soviet spy release so far today
[16:45:54] <Phoenix666> i'm sensitive to you guys burning out
[16:46:02] <Phoenix666> because you're the heart of the site
[16:46:18] <Phoenix666> i try to sub a lot to help you keep the pipeline full
[16:46:56] <Phoenix666> if you've made an editorial decision that my submission queue has been counter-productive
[16:47:12] <Phoenix666> or that Phoenix is over-exposed
[16:47:17] <Phoenix666> that's fine
[16:47:29] <takyon> I didn't hear anything about it
[16:47:34] <takyon> cmn32480
[16:47:56] <Phoenix666> i would actually like to help in other ways
[16:48:15] <Phoenix666> but felt that the submission pipeline was the low-hanging fruit
[16:48:45] <takyon> it depends
[16:49:02] <takyon> on weekdays we will generally get what we need from ongoing news events
[16:49:41] <takyon> but throughout the quality can vary
[16:49:52] <Phoenix666> yeah it can
[16:49:59] <takyon> we had a lot of TheMightyB*zzard SJW bait this weekend
[16:50:47] <Phoenix666> i think it's inevitable that you have that, but you have to cycle to the other side(s) if you want to keep a dynamic forum
[16:51:11] <Phoenix666> but the tech/science should remain the fulcrum, because it keeps all sides here
[16:52:20] <Phoenix666> i kind of view it like oyster cultivation: you have to introduce a bit of sand to get the pearls
[16:52:59] <cmn32480> reading backscroll
[16:53:38] <takyon> eat sand
[16:54:29] <cmn32480> and shit glass... no thanks!
[16:54:46] <Phoenix666> um, are you a balrog?
[16:55:01] <Phoenix666> because that's some impressive digestive temperatures
[16:55:09] <cmn32480> I run a little warm... and one of the guys in my dept has me flaming pissed at the moment
[16:56:45] <cmn32480> what's up?
[16:57:06] <Phoenix666> i only wanted to ask if i should bank more submissions against T-day
[16:57:12] <cmn32480> the hold question - we have been trying to give some preference to all submitters as the subs have been rolling in pretty well this week.
[16:57:25] <cmn32480> s/some/same/
[16:57:58] <Phoenix666> if you guys are good then i'll refrain
[16:58:11] <Phoenix666> but i have been seeing a lot of editor submissions
[16:58:19] <cmn32480> your stuff has been mixed in with the rest lately
[16:58:41] <Phoenix666> that's fine, if as it seems to be working, good
[16:58:45] <cmn32480> nick and takyon have been tossing in their own stuff, but not due to a low queue
[16:58:49] <Phoenix666> ok
[16:58:50] <cmn32480> I've been doing some of the same
[16:58:58] <takyon> takyon has always been a prolific submitter
[16:59:05] <takyon> takyon reached over 400 subs
[16:59:07] <cmn32480> agreed
[16:59:12] <Phoenix666> y
[16:59:33] <Phoenix666> i would actually like to help in other ways
[16:59:54] <takyon> you can be an editor without doing much editing
[16:59:58] <cmn32480> yes
[17:00:04] <takyon> I have not posted stories for a while
[17:00:07] <cmn32480> takyon knows
[17:00:09] <takyon> but a lot of subs
[17:00:25] <Phoenix666> well the thing is you guys can't burn out
[17:00:36] <Phoenix666> you're the core of the site
[17:00:40] <cmn32480> holy shit.. somebody actually cares
[17:00:49] <cmn32480> mark today on your calendars!
[17:01:00] <cmn32480> :-)
[17:01:01] <takyon> increasing our numbers is not a bad strategy
[17:01:04] <Phoenix666> :-)
[17:01:12] <takyon> I thought you were going to be made editor weeks ago
[17:01:18] <takyon> should continue that process
[17:01:25] <Phoenix666> Well I almost made the cut months ago
[17:01:34] <Phoenix666> but others got there first over a long weekend
[17:01:39] <Phoenix666> that's fine
[17:01:47] <cmn32480> I believe that you are already set up as an editor on dev, yes?
[17:01:49] <Phoenix666> i wanted to help by keeping the pipeline full
[17:02:04] <Phoenix666> yeah, but honestly i'd rather code
[17:02:22] <takyon> editors have side benefits
[17:02:33] <cmn32480> if you wanna code for the site, you are talking to the wrong people.
[17:02:33] <Phoenix666> babes and beer?
[17:02:39] <Phoenix666> yeah i know
[17:02:40] <cmn32480> when did those happen?
[17:02:44] <takyon> I couldn't say
[17:03:04] <cmn32480> Phoenix666 - let me talk to mrcoolbp and see that youa re set upon dev as an editor.
[17:03:13] <takyon> phoenix666 do you use my userscript
[17:03:40] <Phoenix666> ? no
[17:03:59] <cmn32480> once that is done, well drop a bunch of stuff in the queue from the main site and let you have at it so you can learn all the mistakes we make every day
[17:04:07] <cmn32480> check takyon's journal
[17:04:09] <Phoenix666> i copied the code base a while back
[17:04:11] <cmn32480> ti is very handy
[17:04:24] <takyon> the link is in my signature in my comments
[17:04:36] <Phoenix666> ok
[17:04:54] <cmn32480> to play in the code base you need to talk to pj or NC
[17:05:14] <Phoenix666> ok
[17:05:31] <Phoenix666> i wanted to first check in and make sure you guys are ok
[17:05:37] <cmn32480> for editorial, I'd wager you are still set up on dev
[17:05:42] <cmn32480> get in and play.
[17:06:05] <Phoenix666> if you feel the submission pipeline has matured and/or Phoenix is over-exposed as a submitter
[17:06:07] <cmn32480> later today I'll see if I can dump some stuff in that you can work through adn get posted there.
[17:06:08] <takyon> once you're using my script you won't look at submitting and commenting the same way
[17:07:11] <cmn32480> my concern is over exposure and opening you up to abuse as a guy who does a helluva lot to keep the site rolling, but not all people see it that way.
[17:07:31] <cmn32480> some in the community might see it as us being preferential to your subs.
[17:07:37] <cmn32480> but I can't say thta for sure
[17:07:56] <takyon> he's already getting the abuse
[17:08:21] <cmn32480> I know.
[17:08:27] <cmn32480> and I don't like it very much
[17:09:17] <Phoenix666> I drew a comment last week that made me laugh, something to the effect of "you are exercising your political clout"
[17:09:59] <Phoenix666> anyway, i don't want to over-help in a way that's counter-productive
[17:10:07] <cmn32480> like I said.. if I get abused that is one thing. I'm married and used to it
[17:10:16] <Phoenix666> hahaha
[17:10:17] <cmn32480> your help is NOT counterproductive
[17:10:19] <takyon> hah
[17:10:24] <Phoenix666> amen
[17:10:44] <cmn32480> many hands make light work or something
[17:10:52] <Phoenix666> 'fine, i'll clean the gutters if you leave me the hell alone for the next month...'
[17:11:02] <cmn32480> precisely
[17:11:08] <cmn32480> play around in dev.
[17:11:28] <Phoenix666> i'm happy to disappear behind the curtain for a while, as long as you guys don't burn yourselves out
[17:11:39] <Phoenix666> when you go, the site goes
[17:15:29] <Phoenix666> alright, so let it be written, so shall it be done. if you guys do approach burn-out, please let me know and i'll be happy to resume as a submitter or take a turn as an editor
[17:16:02] <cmn32480> back in a minuterse
[17:22:55] <cmn32480> sorry.. had to deliver aN ASS CHEWING
[17:23:07] <Phoenix666> np
[17:23:21] <cmn32480> ok - so the plan as I see it goes somethign like this:
[17:23:44] <cmn32480> 1) You continue to sub some.
[17:23:56] <cmn32480> 2) You practice editing on dev
[17:24:14] <cmn32480> 3) We get to critique and help you on dev
[17:24:41] <cmn32480> ONce we get approval from upper management, we can get you on the main site with editorial privs
[17:25:27] <cmn32480> that sound about right Phoenix666 and takyon?
[17:25:55] <takyon> I guess I can stop on dev and offer some critiques
[17:26:00] <Phoenix666> well, i'd rather be more purely back-end, with some submissions, if that works
[17:26:13] <Phoenix666> unless you guys need to tap out on editorial
[17:26:25] <cmn32480> define back-end for me, please.
[17:26:27] <cmn32480> code?
[17:26:29] <Phoenix666> yes
[17:26:29] <cmn32480> editing?
[17:26:32] <Phoenix666> code
[17:26:34] <cmn32480> ok
[17:27:02] <cmn32480> TMB - we got a coding volunteer
[17:27:03] <Phoenix666> if you guys have a good core of eds now
[17:27:12] <Phoenix666> then i'd rather help with code
[17:27:18] <cmn32480> we can always use help. :-)
[17:27:30] <cmn32480> a good psychiatrist woudl go a long way
[17:27:36] <Phoenix666> ? why
[17:27:46] <Phoenix666> i drop in and out on this channel
[17:27:53] <cmn32480> obviously, workign on this project, we are all freaking nuts
[17:27:57] <Phoenix666> yes
[17:28:02] <Phoenix666> it's a labor of love
[17:28:08] <cmn32480> yes
[17:28:20] <cmn32480> occassionally more labor than love though
[17:28:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> who dares interrupt my nap?!
[17:28:33] <cmn32480> 'tis I, the Bogeyman
[17:28:44] <cmn32480> Phoenix666 would like to help in the code.
[17:28:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, well that's fine then
[17:29:00] <cmn32480> and we is the wrong people to help in that effort
[17:29:03] <Phoenix666> i want to help in the way that would be most helpful
[17:29:16] <Phoenix666> i have been a story submitting fool
[17:29:31] <Phoenix666> and could be an editor
[17:29:42] <Phoenix666> but i kind of want to disappear behind the curtain
[17:30:35] <Phoenix666> but if providing 3rd party input to the editors would help...
[17:31:25] <Phoenix666> in the end, i think SN is valuable, and i would like to help it
[17:31:43] <cmn32480> we agree
[17:31:44] <takyon> your request is being processed by the system
[17:31:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Phoenix666, coding's currently me + the occasional appearance by pj and eventually the return on NC
[17:31:52] <cmn32480> and we will take all the help you can provide.
[17:32:18] <cmn32480> dear god, please assist the buzzard,., he needs all the helphe can get
[17:32:30] <Phoenix666> ok, so if you eds feel you're good for the time being, then i will return to the code base
[17:32:51] <cmn32480> ok
[17:32:56] <cmn32480> no problem.
[17:33:04] <cmn32480> we'll let you know if we run into need.
[17:33:16] <Phoenix666> it will be balm to my soul to not have wonkey_monkey busting my ass all the time
[17:33:17] <cmn32480> and we all appreciate the help you give. :-)
[17:33:29] <cmn32480> it cna still be arranged
[17:33:43] <Phoenix666> yup, lemme know if you need subs. i got a system...
[17:33:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're all working off the dev server right now, no vm, so we'll have to get you set up with login credentials for staff.soylentnews.org(boron) and get you in the ldap db so you can log into dev.soylentnews.org(lithium)
[17:34:17] <Phoenix666> ok
[17:34:39] <Phoenix666> i'll switch over to that channel
[17:35:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you like. i don't mind spamming up the eds =P
[17:35:01] <cmn32480> the channel here is #dev
[17:35:14] <cmn32480> thanks buzzard...
[17:35:27] <takyon> #dev is one such channel
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[18:35:17] <nick> evening
[18:45:28] <cmn32480> heya nick
[19:15:50] <nick> how goes
[19:16:08] <cmn32480> usual
[19:16:24] <cmn32480> peopel don't listen adn then wonder why I get pissed
[19:18:19] <nick> :(
[19:20:56] <cmn32480> yeah... jsut one of those thigns
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