#editorial | Logs for 2015-11-14

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[00:03:31] * crutchy waits to see who they blame
[00:03:42] <crutchy> ISIS or Iran
[00:04:43] <crutchy> US voters don't want to invade Syria, so they need a bit of prodding
[00:04:58] <nick> @FKrumbmuller: Shooter in #Bataclan said to have shouted "this is for Syria" #BFMTV #parisattacks
[00:05:21] <nick> DM crowd has gone with 'jihadi john blowback'
[00:05:40] <nick> which is pretty laughable
[00:05:58] <crutchy> news @ 11: US Invades Syria, 50000 Troops Deployed
[00:06:44] <crutchy> news @ 11.01: john mccain has an orgasm for the first time in his life
[00:07:07] <nick> US needs boots on the ground to ‘occupy & govern’ Syrian territories – Air Force secretary
[00:07:07] <nick> Published time: 11 Nov, 2015 01:19
[00:07:20] <crutchy> wow that was quick
[00:07:28] <crutchy> /nick Nostrodamus
[00:07:42] <crutchy> actually it wouldn't take a nostradamus to predict this shit
[00:08:14] <nick> Gallup: 53% Against Boots on the Ground for ISIS
[00:08:14] <nick> Newsmax-12 Nov 2015
[00:08:53] <crutchy> definitely false flag then
[00:09:08] <crutchy> there's likely more to come
[00:09:37] <crutchy> US allies had better batten down the hatches
[00:10:13] <crutchy> either that or they might decide they need to kill some more US citizens to get the ball rolling
[00:10:27] <crutchy> pretty disgusting
[00:10:39] <crutchy> /tinfoil
[00:11:17] <nick> at times like these, we need to remember the wise words of a great leader, "what difference does it make?"
[00:12:21] <crutchy> at times like these we need to also remember: 'cui bono?'
[00:13:20] <nick> who profits doesn't matter, as they wont be connected to the terrorist problem
[00:14:05] <chromas> We can all profit
[00:14:11] * chromas eyes Alan Jackson
[00:14:13] <crutchy> i ask myself that to work out what's really going on
[00:14:31] <crutchy> US military industrial complex *really* wants to invade Syria
[00:14:53] <nick> one step closer to iran
[00:14:58] <crutchy> that too
[00:15:15] <crutchy> part of the 5 nation plan or whatever it was
[00:16:15] <crutchy> $deity help us when they have eventually invaded iran, cos then they'll make a new list :/
[00:16:49] <nick> be interesting to see if saudia arabia ends up on the list by then
[00:17:36] <crutchy> only when their oil runs out
[00:17:48] <crutchy> though i guess iran has lots of oil too
[00:17:51] <crutchy> yeah they might
[00:17:57] <nick> depends on the geopolitical situation
[00:18:15] <nick> saudi arabia seems willing to align more with russia and china than in previous times
[00:18:23] <crutchy> what's worrying is that apparently australia might be sitting on a shitton of oil too
[00:18:25] <nick> although russia now is obviously a bit cooler
[00:19:23] <nick> i have no clue what the long oil game is
[00:19:23] <crutchy> probably not worth exploring too much given the glut of supply and low price of oil atm
[00:19:35] <nick> the low price at the moment has to break
[00:20:05] <crutchy> seems like there are plenty of reserves. its just a question of cost to drill/mine/process and the price to market
[00:20:26] <nick> saudi arabia is bankrupting itself slowly by keeping the supply high for relative demand
[00:20:56] <crutchy> saudi arabia can afford to because they're living off all the cash that the US has been giving them for years
[00:21:19] <nick> yeah, but that cash is heavily tied up also though
[00:21:48] <crutchy> they been retiring a lot (billions of dollars worth) or US treasuries
[00:21:52] <nick> its been held and reinvested by the goldmansachs and such, propping up other economies as part of the deal
[00:21:52] <crutchy> *of
[00:22:08] <nick> the saudi oil deals are very interesting, i cant remember the specifics now
[00:22:40] <nick> their situation is not sustainable in the longer term
[00:23:52] <crutchy> http://www.tradingeconomics.com
[00:23:56] <js--> ^ 03Saudi Arabia Foreign Exchange Reserves | 2010-2015 | Data | Chart
[00:23:58] <crutchy> true
[00:24:07] <nick> that applies to any complex developed economy, and the rate of saudi growth and reliance on imported underclass of labour makes it far more risky
[00:24:19] <crutchy> when they start running out of treasuries to retire, oil price will go back up
[00:25:15] <crutchy> they're trying to kill the more costly fracking operators in the US
[00:25:24] <crutchy> (and likely succeeding))
[00:26:27] <nick> Saudi Arabia has already burned through almost $62 billion of its foreign currency reserves this year, and borrowed $4 billion from local banks in July -- its first bond issue since 2007.
[00:26:27] <nick> Its budget deficit is expected to reach 20% of GDP in 2015. That's extraordinarily high for a country used to running surpluses. Capital Economics estimates that government revenues will fall by $82 billion in 2015, equivalent to 8% of GDP. The IMF is forecasting budget deficits through 2020.
[00:26:36] <nick> http://money.cnn.com
[00:26:37] <js--> ^ 03OPEC leader Saudi Arabia is having to borrow money - Aug. 6, 2015
[00:26:46] <nick> i copy/pasted the above
[00:26:59] <crutchy> saudi arabia is just spending money it already has in the bank
[00:27:01] <nick> crutchy: thats one part of it
[00:27:21] <nick> they're also keeping the pressure on russia and china in energy prices generally
[00:27:49] <crutchy> true
[00:28:05] <nick> it's all multi-dimensional to the point of frustration when you do look at who wins and loses
[00:28:07] <crutchy> china prolly not complaining though, cos they are a big importer of energy
[00:28:35] <crutchy> i still think china is a manipulator of commodity prices
[00:28:35] <nick> saudi arabia borrows money to a point like apple borrows money, because they cant actually use all that cash they have
[00:28:50] <crutchy> but they're still borrowing with collateral
[00:28:54] <nick> but they can borrow against it
[00:28:54] <crutchy> (unlike the US)
[00:29:41] <nick> for now, the IMF would be out of a job if they let countries run surpluses forever
[00:30:02] <nick> but you do need a little grease every once in a while to keep the wheels turning on this circus
[00:30:10] <crutchy> currency and debt is the new weapon of war
[00:30:26] <nick> not so new, but the numbers now are staggering
[00:30:32] <crutchy> nod
[00:31:21] <crutchy> china is the sleeping tiger in the currency war
[00:31:40] <crutchy> very smart (and scary) what they are doing
[00:32:51] <nick> learned from the best
[00:32:59] <crutchy> even if china ran massive deficits for years, they have so many assets they could survive for years
[00:33:09] <crutchy> merely by selling them all off
[00:34:18] <crutchy> i'm pretty sure china has majority stake in most of the aussie economy, particularly mining and agriculture
[00:34:29] <crutchy> they own bloody everything
[00:34:39] <nick> different expectations of the chinese population, more ability to manage society/poverty/equality issues
[00:35:05] <crutchy> a billion+ population is a tricky thing to manage
[00:35:16] <nick> that is also true
[00:35:48] <nick> it's still all to play for at certain levels, but i have the depressing feeling that whatever way it goes down, we lose
[00:36:49] <crutchy> no doubt :(
[00:38:16] <crutchy> apparently based on my income and household size, my standard of living is only about 39% compared to other australians
[00:39:35] <crutchy> would be up over 80% if i was on my own, but i think i take a hit because i'm the only breadwinner in the house
[00:39:53] <crutchy> lot of households have two incomes apparently
[00:40:32] <crutchy> eventually i think aussie standard of living must fall
[00:42:18] <crutchy> not much point in worrying, but i fear for my kids' future a bit
[00:46:22] <nick> the future has never been certain, you just have to help them learn the right things
[00:47:16] <nick> i can't imagine how hard it is to raise kids, especially in the world today, so please ignore me
[00:51:50] <crutchy> my kids are very very fortunate compared to a lot of other kids around the world
[00:52:00] <crutchy> for the time being anyway
[00:56:19] <nick> 140 dead now
[01:07:04] <nick> this is big
[01:21:41] <crutchy> it'll likely keep getting bigger till it reaches pearl harbor sentiment amongst american voters
[01:22:16] <crutchy> and if not the mainstream media will just artificially inflate it
[01:22:39] <crutchy> "omg isis has weapons of mass distruction!"
[01:22:41] <nick> multiple attacks, bombs and guns, 100+ dead in paris
[01:23:18] <nick> bigger than 7/7
[01:58:38] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:59:30] <nick> hi Bytram
[01:59:39] <Bytram> nick: !!
[01:59:54] <Bytram> brb
[02:00:01] <nick> ok
[02:00:16] <nick> i'm about to lay down anyways
[02:00:23] <Bytram> back
[02:00:29] <Bytram> how's things?
[02:00:41] <Bytram> busy time of year for you?
[02:01:06] <nick> things come and go, right now is very busy
[02:01:37] <nick> trying to get my head around this paris event, which is quite concerning
[02:01:41] <Bytram> hope that is a "good" busy as in productive, as opposed to working your butt off trying to line up work!
[02:02:48] <nick> productive, things are moving, productive is hard to tell.
[02:03:01] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:03:07] <Bytram> sad news from paris
[02:03:25] <Bytram> makes me think of JR... don't think he's in Paris, proper, but this has got to be hard on him, notheless
[02:03:40] <nick> this is going to be a turning point for the EU. Syria, Refugees/Migrants
[02:03:57] <Bytram> depends on whether cooler heads prevail
[02:04:03] <nick> paris is only a train ride away from london
[02:04:13] <nick> can go there for lunch, have done
[02:04:30] <nick> but yeah, JR would be a long way from Paris i'd assume
[02:04:30] <Bytram> interesting... I'd never have thought of that!
[02:04:56] <Bytram> and with S recovering from an operation, it's already quite the load on him
[02:05:02] <nick> indeed
[02:05:20] <nick> he might not know, it started quite late this evening
[02:06:01] <Bytram> that could be... we can hope that he is unawares for now and can get a good night's sleep
[02:06:10] <Bytram> though, there's probably an even chance thart someone rang him up to discuss it?
[02:06:15] <Bytram> s/thart/that/
[02:06:15] <sedctl> <Bytram> though, there's probably an even chance that someone rang him up to discuss it?
[02:06:17] <exec> <Bytram> though, there's probably an even chance that someone rang him up to discuss it?
[02:06:25] <Bytram> lol
[02:07:42] <nick> and now the puppy is going insane
[02:07:48] <nick> at 2am
[02:08:23] <Bytram> oh gee! any idea why?
[02:08:57] <nick> just doing what she does, very young still, just got a burst of energy
[02:09:14] <nick> im not helping by still being down here
[02:09:15] <Bytram> nod nod.what breed?
[02:09:40] <nick> staff
[02:09:56] <Bytram> huh?
[02:10:05] <Deucalion> You guys need any help covering the paris thing or do you have it covered?
[02:10:11] <nick> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:10:12] <js--> ^ 03Wiki: Staffordshire Bull Terrier
[02:10:12] * Bytram has heard of a bull mastiff
[02:10:16] <Bytram> Deucalion: already on the main page
[02:10:22] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[02:10:22] <js--> ^ 03SN article:  Breaking News: Paris Attacks: Dozens Dead and Hostages Held at Bataclan [UPDATED] 04(79 comments)
[02:10:24] <nick> i'm keeping on it
[02:10:44] <Bytram> is approaching 80 comments already
[02:10:49] <nick> for the next hour or two anyway, im not going to be able to sleep while i let this digest anyway
[02:10:58] <nick> so if any major updates come through, i'll update the story
[02:11:24] <Bytram> nick: you've done a heck of a job keeping up with things and keeping the story updated!
[02:11:26] <Bytram> nick++
[02:11:26] <Bender> karma - nick: 1
[02:11:31] <Bytram> huh?
[02:11:33] <Bytram> nick++
[02:11:33] <Bender> karma - nick: 2
[02:11:34] <Bytram> nick++
[02:11:34] <Bender> karma - nick: 3
[02:11:34] <Bytram> nick++
[02:11:34] <Bender> karma - nick: 4
[02:11:37] <Bytram> n1++
[02:11:37] <Bender> karma - n1: 21
[02:11:45] <Bytram> ahh, thas better!
[02:11:47] <Bytram> n1++
[02:11:47] <Bender> karma - n1: 22
[02:11:48] <Bytram> n1++
[02:11:48] <Bender> karma - n1: 23
[02:12:14] <nick> lol
[02:12:35] <Bytram> we just hit 80 comments on the story
[02:12:43] <Deucalion> Paris again - not long after the Charlie Hebdo affair... have to wonder if the French trend toward Nationalism over recent years is not stirring up some of the malcontent.
[02:13:09] cmn32480|away is now known as cmn32480
[02:13:13] <Bytram> could it also simply be a case of post hoc ergo proctor hoc?
[02:14:09] <nick> i'm going off irc now, but i'll still be on that story for the next couple hours
[02:14:11] * nick hat tip
[02:14:23] <nick> g'night ya'll
[02:14:43] <Deucalion> night
[02:15:46] <cmn32480> night nick
[02:17:34] <Bytram> nick: g'night!
[02:17:39] <Bytram> cmn32480: !!
[02:17:48] <cmn32480> heya Bytram!
[02:17:53] <cmn32480> bytram !!
[02:17:54] <crutchy> ~sed off
[02:17:55] <exec> sed disabled for 10#editorial
[02:18:39] <cmn32480> how goes gentlemen?
[02:18:47] <Bytram> cmn32480: thanks for pointing out that EF got a +5 Troll
[02:19:01] <crutchy> only e-f could manage that
[02:19:04] <cmn32480> it is a rare accomplishment
[02:19:13] * Bytram just finished a large bowl of mashed potatoes and the carbohydrates are catching up with me... am getting very sleepy
[02:19:37] <Bytram> and it happened on Friday the 13th!
[02:19:48] <cmn32480> I was sitting on the couch with my daughter... sleeping while she cuddled and watched TV
[02:20:04] <Bytram> that was in reference to EF's +5 Troll (not me eating potatoes!)
[02:20:09] <Bytram> nice
[02:20:13] <Bytram> VERY nice
[02:22:00] <crutchy> tatos are nice
[02:22:09] * crutchy misses mash
[02:22:18] <crutchy> wifey dont like it, so we dont eat it
[02:22:26] <cmn32480> try tater tots insteads
[02:22:46] <crutchy> sounds fast-food'ish
[02:22:53] <cmn32480> you can cook just enough for you and the kids... wifey doens't need to eat'em
[02:22:53] <crutchy> ~g tater tots
[02:22:57] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:23:04] <cmn32480> oh
[02:23:14] <cmn32480> that's an American thing only?
[02:23:22] <crutchy> oh er
[02:23:33] <crutchy> we call them potato fritters
[02:23:49] <crutchy> with grated potato, egg and some flour
[02:23:59] <crutchy> can do them with just egg too
[02:24:22] <cmn32480> mine come from a bag.
[02:24:25] <crutchy> hmm actually tater tots are different
[02:24:41] <crutchy> we call those potato gems
[02:24:43] <crutchy> lol\
[02:24:53] <crutchy> we all have to be different :p
[02:25:00] <cmn32480> sigh.... separated by a comman language
[02:25:56] * Bytram just took five big russet potatoes, sliced real thin, nuked in water for about 22 minutes; tossed in the mixer for a couple minutes along with some milk and margarine and a little bit of salt/pepper... yum!
[02:26:16] <Bytram> didn't even bother to peel 'em -- new potatoes are nice that way and much more nutritious!
[02:27:36] <crutchy> when i was a kid mum used to peel em, cut em up into chunks and mash them manually so that it was still chunky
[02:27:44] <crutchy> chunky mash is awesome
[02:28:25] <crutchy> bit of milk, marg and a shitton of pepper
[02:28:55] <crutchy> dammit. now i wants mash :/
[02:28:58] <cmn32480> it shitton metric or Imperial?
[02:29:05] <Bytram> when I think back to how much time we wasted as kids peeling potatoes -- intentionally removing the most nutritious part of the spud!
[02:29:11] <crutchy> ~convert 1 kg shitton
[02:29:12] <exec> 031 kg = 0.024 shitton
[02:29:13] <Bytram> cmn32480: it's passe
[02:29:42] <Bytram> cmn32480: it's passé
[02:29:45] <Bytram> ;)
[02:30:02] <Bytram> okay, I'm spent... time to hit the hay.
[02:30:06] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[02:30:18] <cmn32480> !g'night bytram
[02:30:21] <crutchy> gnight Bytram|away
[02:30:24] <cmn32480> ~g'night bytram
[02:30:26] * exec accidentally hurls an anvil of milo at bytram
[02:30:50] <Bytram|away> crutchy: gnight? is that like gnights of the ground table?
[02:31:09] <cmn32480> yes
[02:31:11] <crutchy> works for me, sir Bytram :)
[02:31:18] <Bytram|away> thot so, just checkin'
[02:31:19] <Bytram|away> =)
[02:31:33] <cmn32480> I dub thee.... Sir Bytram|away The Sleeper!
[02:32:10] <Bytram|away> Snnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
[02:32:21] <cmn32480> and he snores.....
[02:32:23] <cmn32480> grand
[02:32:32] <cmn32480> that'll keep the rest of us awake!
[02:32:44] <Deucalion> Baked potato - rubbed with olive oil and a sprinkle of sea salt... this is what winter is for :D Crispy nutritious skins... nom nom nom....
[02:32:45] <Bytram|away> thas nothin... I also grinds me teeth.
[02:33:05] * crutchy had potato cakes for dinner last night
[02:33:17] <crutchy> they were a bit oilier than usual
[02:33:27] <crutchy> prolly busy night at the fish n chip shop
[02:33:29] <Bytram|away> Deucalion: sliced open with a dollop of butter and, uummm,
[02:33:30] <cmn32480> dinner was sponsored by Exxon-Mobil?
[02:33:41] <crutchy> cmn32480, must've been
[02:33:43] * Bytram|away can't remember what the 'white stuff' was called.
[02:33:51] <Bytram|away> cream cheese? nope.
[02:33:57] <cmn32480> sour cream
[02:33:59] <crutchy> ask ethanol-fueled
[02:34:00] <Bytram|away> nod nod!!!
[02:34:12] <Bytram|away> no, that's not it either.
[02:34:31] <crutchy> we have baked spuds with sour cream
[02:34:32] <Bytram|away> hmmm, maybe it is.
[02:34:34] <crutchy> yummm
[02:34:52] <Bytram|away> has a bit of a tangy bite to it.
[02:35:03] <Deucalion> Bytram|away, with butter mashed into the inside or topped with pretty much anything... tuna/mayo, coronation chicken.. whatever... the crispy skinned baked potato is an underrated tuber when it comes to cheap dining.
[02:35:13] <Bytram|away> add a few bacon bits and some shredded chedder... YUM!
[02:35:25] <crutchy> i was lucky enough to live near a bunch of spud farms, so we were able to buy direct
[02:35:30] <cmn32480> sweet potatos with cinammon and sugar and lots of butter
[02:35:48] <Bytram|away> there's no shortage of spud farms round these parts.
[02:35:56] <crutchy> a nearby town was affectionately known as 'spud city'
[02:36:00] <Bytram|away> fall harvest should be coming in rather well 'bout now.
[02:36:47] <Bytram|away> okay, this time for sure... laters!
[02:36:48] <crutchy> my parents live across the road from one. sadly i moved down to 'pollution valley' to be close to work :/
[02:43:16] Deucalion is now known as juggs
[02:43:52] juggs is now known as Deucalion
[03:52:34] <cmn32480> queue is good out to 0100 Sunday (Eastern) and 0600 UTC. I'm go to bed now.
[03:53:10] <cmn32480> Bytram|away Nick CoolHand ^^^
[03:53:25] <cmn32480> If somebody could second, that'd be swell.
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[10:21:01] <crutchy> nick, http://www.bbc.com
[10:21:01] <js--> ^ 03Paris attacks were 'act of war by IS' - BBC News
[10:21:26] <crutchy> the false flag suspicion is getting freaky real
[12:24:38] -!- Phoenix666 [Phoenix666!~Phoenix66@qbdb-64-293-838-329.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #editorial
[12:25:44] <Phoenix666> Hi guys, just popping in to say the story, "Stanford Researchers Develop New Way to Measure Crop Yields From Space," is a dupe from one run last week
[13:21:29] <cmn32480|away> shit. thatnks for catchign that Phoenix666.. I've made the adjustments
[13:21:43] <Phoenix666> cool, cheers!
[13:23:21] <cmn32480|away> if you look at that page, it is a whole day of cmn32480, almost
[13:24:28] <cmn32480|away> back later... I gotta got o soccer teardown and then get the shingle son the shed (left over from last weekend).
[13:28:12] <Phoenix666> cool, good luck!
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[14:42:08] <Bytram> hey folks!
[14:42:17] <Bytram> does anyone see a reason why this story:
[14:42:17] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[14:42:18] <js--> ^ 03SN article:  Android OEM Using Rogue Fork of Device-Mapper Code for Device Encryption 04(0 comments)
[14:42:24] <Bytram> is marked as 'Breaking News' ??
[14:42:41] <Bytram> I'm going to change it to 'normal'
[14:45:39] <Bytram> Done. Nexus is now "The Main Page" and Topic is "OS"
[14:56:47] <Bytram> cmn32480|away: nice run of stories you put up! So, of course, I just *had* to put one up for Sunday. ;)
[15:15:39] <Bytram> afk, biab
[16:27:45] <nick> ahoy
[16:30:03] <Bytram> hi! and I gtg. :(
[16:30:15] <Bytram> nick: btw, your Paris story just hit the Hall of Fame!
[16:30:18] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[16:30:18] <js--> ^✓ 03SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[16:30:24] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[16:30:47] <Bytram|away> away
[16:30:54] <nick> take care Bytram|away
[16:30:56] * nick hat tip
[16:31:11] <takyon> the comments on that story were predictably bad
[16:32:02] <nick> far worse than i would have expected
[16:32:13] <nick> seriously disappointed
[16:32:34] <takyon> cynicism grows and grows these days
[16:33:37] <nick> not sure about the cynicism, but a fairly broad brush used to stereotype people who identify as muslim
[16:34:12] <nick> some reasonable comments but it appeared too easy to go to some muslims evil bye default reflex
[16:34:22] <nick> by*
[16:37:14] <nick> the division and isolation is growing, we see so many enemies in the shadows
[16:38:52] <takyon> attacks are easy to pull off
[16:39:27] <takyon> even with France converting itself into a surveillance state and shedding liberte
[16:39:35] <nick> yup
[16:39:57] <nick> as i said last night in various ways, regard the who/what/why/how
[16:40:01] <nick> "what difference does it make?"
[16:40:16] <nick> if only that suviellance state had just been a little bigger
[16:40:26] <nick> a little more funding, we'd have been able to prevent it
[16:40:46] <nick> i'm sure it will come out soon that they had files on the people involved, but didnt have the man-power and funding to follow up
[16:41:07] <takyon> the surveillance state will probably breed contempt and further attacks anyway
[16:41:31] <nick> and look forward to more security checkpoints and body scanners in transport hubs and entertainment venues
[16:41:35] <takyon> those that can withstand the panopticon will be able to avoid informants by playing it safe
[16:41:51] <takyon> well that's when you attack the mcdonald's instead
[16:41:59] <takyon> just find a crowded mcdonald's
[16:42:12] <nick> well, as many have noted, at airports now, if they were serious
[16:42:21] <nick> they'd be attacking the hundred of people stuck in the queues
[16:42:35] <takyon> right
[16:42:40] <takyon> like in Russia
[16:42:46] <nick> ive been in them, massive rooms of lines, hundreds of not thousands of people with no exit
[16:42:57] <nick> but thats the security procedure, so it's safe
[16:43:05] <nick> or it wouldnt be written in the training manual
[16:43:26] <takyon> the luck is that a significant amount of the people who would commit terrorist attacks or mass shootings are mentally ill
[16:43:43] <nick> it just concerns me i was looking at some stuff and google trends last night and literally thinking "we are due for an event"
[16:43:55] <nick> i change screen and saw the news in #Soylent about paris
[16:43:56] <takyon> that's why the FBI has had such good luck in "capturing terrorists" lately. They just get their informants to prod a mentally ill person into purchasing fertilizer from them
[16:44:22] <takyon> what did you see in Google Trends that made you think we were due? pop culture stuff?
[16:44:27] <nick> aye, all those success cases where everyone else involved wasn't prosecuted, because they were all agents and informants
[16:45:31] <nick> trends of global events and terrorism, ISIS and related things had been on a downward trend
[16:46:36] <nick> people were perhaps getting a little too comfortable and this year has been rather quiet as far as spectacle
[16:46:54] <nick> no major terrorist attacks on the west, no dictators overthrown
[16:47:28] <nick> stagnation, but no doubt it's come at a good time when various parts of the EU are working on their new cyber-security laws and strategy
[16:48:03] <nick> could also work a tipping point for the UK exiting the EU for the populist farce that it will be
[16:48:22] <takyon> a more cynical person would claim that the security services let one happen based on google/media trends
[16:49:12] <nick> a cynical person could claim that
[16:49:19] <nick> good reason we have no need to be cynical
[16:50:08] <nick> found it interesting in the comments on paris, i cant remember the comment, but it was regarding NORAID
[16:50:18] <takyon> NORAD?
[16:50:23] <nick> someone else replied essentially "put down the reefer dude"
[16:50:46] <nick> NORAID was Irish-American communities funding the IRA
[16:51:59] <nick> americans funding the IRA (with support from mid level politicians) coincidentally stopped on sept 11th sometime in the eary 2000's, i forget the year...
[16:53:26] <nick> that is all naturally quite simplistic, but it's a relevant part of history when it comes to terrorism
[16:54:54] <takyon> now we call attacks "terror" or not based on politics
[16:55:05] <takyon> terror vs. mass shooting
[16:55:42] <nick> IRA was terrorism according to the UK, which enabled the UK to have terrorism provisions in place before the new era of islamic terrorism
[16:56:04] <nick> to people in america though, IRA were freedom fighters, protecting their homeland against colonial invaders and religious persecution
[16:56:41] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[16:56:41] <js--> ^ 03French High-Speed Train Derails Close To German Border : The Two-Way : NPR
[16:56:48] <takyon> (test, not terror)
[16:56:59] <nick> interestingly, the 'the troubles' ended the same year Osama Bin Laden was involved in the US Embassy Bombings
[16:57:10] <nick> terrorism-transitions
[16:57:31] <takyon> yes
[16:57:52] <takyon> but we'll still have reruns of MI5 for IRA terror nostalgia
[16:58:15] <nick> had to set the new narrative cleanly after the fall of the soviet union, wouldn't want to get islamic terror confused with irish struggles
[16:58:16] <takyon> (the Beeb show that inspired 24)
[16:58:25] <nick> oh, spooks?
[16:58:32] <takyon> yeah
[16:58:40] <takyon> forgot it was renamed for america
[16:59:09] <nick> interesting stuff in spooks/MI5
[16:59:54] <nick> i used to enjoy it, but the propaganda is strong, as with most shows involving secret agents and the like
[17:01:10] <nick> takyon: you might be interested in: http://www.spyculture.com
[17:01:11] <js--> ^ 03CIA Inspector General?s Report on Engagement with the Entertainment Industry | Spy Culture
[17:01:29] <takyon> hmm
[17:01:52] <takyon> I'm blowing up gewg's Sanders hard-on in the latest soylent story
[17:02:38] <nick> lol
[17:04:01] <takyon> and i'm making some bread today: http://www.food.com
[17:04:02] <js--> ^ 03Crusty French Bread Recipe - Food.com
[17:04:16] <takyon> shit I didn't even think about how it was french bread either
[17:04:24] <takyon> I just started making it this morning
[17:04:38] <takyon> bread solidarity
[17:05:16] <nick> nice, home made bread is one of the greatest things
[17:06:00] <takyon> that's why i'm going to post it on the terror attack story
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[22:30:48] <crutchy> gewg_'s on fire is he?
[22:31:06] <cmn32480> Ggod I hope so
[22:31:47] <cmn32480> you mean subs? comments? actually in flames?
[22:31:59] * cmn32480 crosses his fingers in hope of the last choice
[22:33:00] <cmn32480> crutchy ^^
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[23:12:27] <nick> ahoy
[23:12:37] <cmn32480> chips ahoy?
[23:12:50] <cmn32480> I prefer Girl Scout Cookies
[23:13:42] <nick> http://theantimedia.org
[23:13:43] <js--> ^ 03Senate Quietly Passes Bipartisan Bill to Allow Conquest of Space
[23:14:29] <nick> i prefer hello panda chocolate biscuits
[23:14:44] <nick> https://en.wikipedia.org
[23:14:45] <js--> ^ 03Wiki: Hello Panda
[23:14:59] <cmn32480> excellent
[23:15:05] <cmn32480> but I don't think they are sold here
[23:15:20] * cmn32480 adds them to the list of foods he needs to try
[23:15:54] <nick> have we run anything on the 'space act of 2015'
[23:16:37] <cmn32480> I don't think so... but I've been rather not good at picking them out of late
[23:16:45] <nick> dupes?
[23:16:50] <cmn32480> yes
[23:17:21] <cmn32480> except this one that I jsut found that Coolhand was publishing for tomorrow
[23:17:31] <cmn32480> adn I only know it becaseu I published it yesterday
[23:17:45] <cmn32480> er... today
[23:17:54] <cmn32480> 12 minutes ago in fact
[23:18:20] <nick> can be tricky to keep up with it, i struggle to find the flow after a break from editing
[23:18:27] <cmn32480> uh huh
[23:18:31] <cmn32480> can't be helped
[23:18:50] <cmn32480> p666 caught one that I was putting out as a dupe from a week ago
[23:18:52] <nick> as if i'm not editing, not following the site, lose track of events
[23:18:59] <cmn32480> truth
[23:19:04] <nick> lots can happen in a week, nothing can happen in a month
[23:20:08] <cmn32480> absolutely
[23:20:12] <nick> housemate is coughing and choking somewhat, told him to die quietly as i couldn't hear myself think.
[23:20:20] <cmn32480> lol
[23:20:59] <nick> maybe that was cruel
[23:21:06] <cmn32480> nah
[23:21:13] <cmn32480> I've said it to people
[23:21:22] <cmn32480> I get a laugh
[23:21:27] <cmn32480> they give me the stink eye
[23:21:42] <cmn32480> and on a totally different subject... WTF shoudl I make for dinner?
[23:21:50] <cmn32480> my brain is mush
[23:21:54] <nick> he got a laugh too, but it didnt help his situation...
[23:22:14] <cmn32480> I am thinking pancakes laced with crumbled bacon
[23:22:23] <cmn32480> the kids will certainly eat them
[23:22:49] <nick> with maple syrup i assume
[23:22:55] <cmn32480> and you got a double laugh out of it? EXCELLENT
[23:22:56] <nick> or maple style syrup
[23:23:11] <nick> or just pancake syrup i guess?
[23:23:12] <cmn32480> correct... my kids can't tell the difference... why waste the good stuff on them?
[23:23:28] <cmn32480> it is sweet and sticky... they love it
[23:23:42] <nick> i dont waste the good stuff on myself, the fake stuff i can get from poundland
[23:23:50] <nick> the real stuff is hard to find and 4x the price
[23:24:11] <cmn32480> not as hard to find here... but almost certainly 2x or 3x the cost
[23:24:39] <nick> only place you really get pancakes and syrup here is mcdonalds breakfast
[23:24:47] <cmn32480> ick
[23:24:57] <nick> it's not on the menu for most brits
[23:24:58] <cmn32480> you don't ahve IHOP?
[23:25:13] <nick> i only really found out about it from Las Vegas buffet breakfasts
[23:25:22] <cmn32480> wiw
[23:25:32] <cmn32480> s/wiw/wow/
[23:25:32] <sedctl> <cmn32480> wow
[23:25:37] <cmn32480> how sad
[23:25:44] <nick> no ihop for sure
[23:25:47] <cmn32480> you poor deprived bastard
[23:26:02] <nick> yup, that's me
[23:26:43] <nick> even the 'merican stuff that is imported over here, is generally lies
[23:26:56] <nick> easy ones on that are kool-aid, poptarts and mtn dew.
[23:26:59] <cmn32480> same with the British stuff here
[23:27:21] <nick> they now sell it all here as normal, but it's quite different from the USDM stuff
[23:27:27] <cmn32480> hmmm
[23:27:29] <cmn32480> interesting
[23:27:35] <nick> what sort of british stuff?
[23:27:48] <nick> bovril?
[23:27:49] <cmn32480> mostly people claiming to be scots
[23:28:06] <cmn32480> EVERYTHIGN here gets Americanized
[23:28:18] <cmn32480> Cadbury eggs are one that comes immediately to mind
[23:28:46] <cmn32480> the chocolate is different, the center is different
[23:28:54] <cmn32480> not the same animal
[23:29:13] <nick> i have a friend in the US who i send chocolate to on occasion, foreign aid.
[23:29:26] <nick> quality chocolate being so scarce and expensive over there
[23:29:58] <cmn32480> relatively non-existent unless you know somebody who will send it to you from Europe
[23:30:20] <nick> even fairly regular chocolate here seems to be a treat
[23:31:53] <cmn32480> it is much sweeterm and almost milkier
[23:32:00] <cmn32480> does that make sense?
[23:32:16] <nick> yeah it does
[23:32:27] <nick> mainly because it is
[23:32:44] <cmn32480> British chocolate is excellent
[23:32:59] <nick> american chocolate is quite bitter and always seems like it has grit in it
[23:33:14] <cmn32480> in comparison, i would agree
[23:33:16] <nick> from my limited experience
[23:33:25] <cmn32480> mine is pretty limited too
[23:33:41] <nick> https://en.wikipedia.org
[23:34:26] <cmn32480> ok
[23:34:32] <cmn32480> time for me to feed the monsters
[23:34:44] <nick> have fun :p
[23:34:50] <cmn32480> if I don't, they will get restless and probably start gnawing on my leg or something
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