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[08:02:24] <Bytram|away> crutchy: interesting idea wrt rejected submission list/page but... ISTM it would provide permanent visibility to folks to use our site for SPAM submissions: goatse.cx / soylvertisements / link-farming / etc.
[08:03:08] <crutchy> hmm true that
[08:03:17] <crutchy> are you a wiki admin Bytram|away?
[08:07:44] <Bytram|away> nope
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[12:40:17] <CoolHand> cmn32480|away: 2nd'ing pyramid story-- missing main story link.. adding.. fyi..
[14:04:18] zz_janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
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[14:30:39] <cmn32480> thanks coolhand. I had to do the entire writeup and apparently missed it completely
[14:31:38] <cmn32480> janrinok !!
[14:32:30] <CoolHand> cmn32480: !!
[14:32:44] <cmn32480> how goes coolhand?
[14:32:49] <cmn32480> coolhand !!
[14:33:21] <janrinok> cmn32480: !! CoolHand: !!
[14:33:24] <CoolHand> ok... busy busy..
[14:33:26] <CoolHand> janrinok: !!
[14:33:31] <janrinok> Hi CH
[14:33:32] <cmn32480> I know the feeling!
[14:33:40] <janrinok> cmn32480: lo to you too
[14:33:51] <cmn32480> how goes janrinok?
[14:33:57] <cmn32480> S doing ok?
[14:34:05] <CoolHand> feeling a bit useless lately at SN since all the other editors are kicking ass and I rarely have room to squeeze a story in, so I was happy I found something useful 2nd'ing this morning.. :)
[14:34:30] <janrinok> S is doing much better, but it is a slow process. It is leaving me exhausted and not sleeping properly
[14:34:31] <cmn32480> coolhand - do what we do: Toss it at the end of the queue
[14:34:52] <cmn32480> Bytram|away was quite the machine at the end of last week.
[14:35:31] <janrinok> S has a hospita appt tomorrow for a consultation - which should give me a couple of hours break. And then an admission next Sunday for 2 weeks minimum
[14:35:46] <CoolHand> janrinok: hopefully she keeps improving and you get some sleep..
[14:36:09] <janrinok> fingers crossed! I've just put a few stories into the queue
[14:36:42] <janrinok> you guys (collectively) had one a brilliant job - thx for that
[14:36:43] <cmn32480> can't get off letting Bytram have all the fun?
[14:36:54] <janrinok> have done*
[14:37:56] <CoolHand> thanks janrinok - we learned from the best! :0
[14:37:57] <CoolHand> :)
[14:38:25] <janrinok> :) - if only that were true ...
[14:38:42] <cmn32480> well.. LaminatorX did help us out in the beginning.
[14:39:27] <cmn32480> zing
[14:39:42] <janrinok> lol
[14:40:11] <janrinok> I've got to do a quick visit to the pharmacy - will be back in 30 mins or so
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[14:40:29] <cmn32480> take your time. we are sometime tomorrow before thigns get empty!
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[18:01:15] <nick> howdy
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[18:30:17] <janrinok> nick: hi
[18:31:19] <nick> hey janrinok
[18:31:26] <janrinok> how's things with you?
[18:32:13] <nick> crazy
[18:32:15] <nick> you?
[18:32:42] <janrinok> I'm v tired but S is getting better, so I am happy
[18:37:07] <nick> glad to hear S is on the up, knowing the tired feeling myself
[18:37:26] cmn32480 is now known as zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[18:37:46] * nick waits for cmn to fall off his chair
[18:38:03] * zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thuds to the floor in a puddle of drool
[18:38:30] * zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz snores contentedly
[18:38:32] <nick> looks comfortable
[18:38:53] * zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wakes up and becomes cmn32480
[18:38:57] zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz is now known as cmn32480
[18:39:05] <janrinok> hardly a sleeping beauty!
[18:39:07] <cmn32480> hiya flellas...
[18:39:21] <cmn32480> says the pot calling the kettle black
[18:39:46] <nick> :)
[18:39:52] <nick> how goes cmn32480 ?
[18:39:54] <janrinok> fair cop
[18:40:01] <cmn32480> sleepily mostly
[18:43:22] <cmn32480> getting ready to leave town again
[18:44:28] <janrinok> where you going this time?
[18:44:41] <cmn32480> Hilton Head Island, South Carolina
[18:44:52] <cmn32480> all work not play..;. dull boy, etc
[18:45:03] <nick> :(
[18:45:25] <cmn32480> it won't be all bad.
[18:45:35] <cmn32480> I'm doing an IT visit to our office down there
[18:45:37] <nick> it's an island, so it sounds nice!
[18:45:43] <cmn32480> so at least I shall be amongst friends.
[18:46:03] <cmn32480> we are actually just off the island, but nobody has ever heard of Bluffton
[18:46:24] <nick> i've heard of South Carolina...
[18:46:47] <janrinok> I think I've heard of America
[18:48:29] <nick> it does actually look nice, on wikipedia anyway
[18:49:05] <nick> havn't been able to see shit here with all the fog
[18:49:31] <nick> had any of it your way, janrinok?
[18:49:31] <janrinok> clear as a bell here, but looking like it might get a bit worse over the next day or two
[18:49:33] <nick> heh
[18:50:11] <cmn32480> I will be sure to send pictures and a jar of warm air to you guys
[18:50:21] <nick> it's been quite strange, all last night and this morning. it cleared up during the day but then came back this evening.
[18:50:23] <janrinok> that would be appreciated
[18:50:35] <janrinok> cold temperatures and clear skies
[18:50:36] <cmn32480> will do what I can
[18:50:39] <nick> last night i kept expecting to drive through it, but it just seemed endless
[18:51:11] <nick> a jar of fresh air or two would be nice
[18:51:30] <nick> i have inhaled so much bad stuff on this job
[18:51:58] <janrinok> how's the 'project management' side going?
[18:52:09] <cmn32480> I make no guaranttes on temperature by the time it reaches you.
[18:52:50] <nick> aside from inhaling all the bad stuff, it's been good
[18:53:33] <nick> where things need to be, i'll be able to step back a little after this week and not be there all day
[18:54:19] <janrinok> no doubt you will have another job lined up to keep yourself too busy for your own good :)
[18:54:34] <nick> everyone else is happy so, and i'll just be taking up space when too many trades are on site
[18:55:12] <nick> back to the most regular day job, which naturally lots is going on just as i start this project
[18:58:49] <nick> believe it or not, i checked out one of my other projects today, and cables have been run, i was shocked.
[18:59:42] <janrinok> lol
[19:01:31] <nick> not something you see every day
[19:02:21] <janrinok> better than cmn's experience a few weeks back - went to inspect a site and they had taken stuff _out_
[19:02:46] <nick> deliveries of cable arriving on time and people actually dealing with it as instructed, should write that on my whiteboard as something that did happen.
[19:03:10] <nick> hardware removed from site?
[19:03:15] <janrinok> that'll be a pretty clean whiteboard then - just the one comment
[19:03:41] <nick> the one good comment, the rest are to-do and associated issues
[19:04:00] <cmn32480> I have had that happen.
[19:04:10] <cmn32480> hardware gettgin shipped to a site adn going mia
[19:04:30] <cmn32480> or stuff that was supposed to be there in the ceilings no longer being there.
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[19:04:36] <nick> i usually take things to site myself
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[19:05:09] <cmn32480> when you have to fly to get there, it is generally better to send via UPS/Fed Ex.
[19:05:10] <nick> i usually only get that with cables
[19:05:21] <nick> "it was there... last month, a cable, right there."
[19:05:41] <cmn32480> we try top schedule the shipments where they arrive a day or so before we do.
[19:05:51] <cmn32480> not always successful
[19:05:54] <nick> yeah
[19:06:31] <nick> depends what you're doing, it's a luxury to be able to check a shipment before it arrives on site
[19:08:05] <nick> stuff goes mia on big sites all the time though
[19:09:51] <nick> some of the time it was just me losing stuff though.
[19:10:01] <nick> people have done well from all the tools i left up in ceilings.
[19:22:01] <cmn32480> dsorry.. got pulled by a tech to look at somethign
[19:22:30] <cmn32480> we generally bring all the stuff to our office, check adn configure, repack with whatever bits we are providing out of our stock and ship to the site.
[19:22:38] <cmn32480> depending on location
[19:22:53] <cmn32480> if it si driving distance, we load it all up in the van and carry it all with us\
[19:30:13] <nick> when i started working for myself, config at home or the office is nearly always a win
[19:30:27] <janrinok> what's the most expensive thing that you have had go missing?
[19:30:37] <cmn32480> we havce bene doing it that way for years, has saved us MANY days on site
[19:30:53] <cmn32480> the single individual thing?
[19:31:06] <cmn32480> we had a fluke cable tester get stolen 2 weeks ago
[19:31:15] <cmn32480> gonna cost abotu $1000 to replace
[19:31:19] <janrinok> ouch
[19:31:29] <cmn32480> boxes of Cat5e
[19:31:38] <cmn32480> minor crap liek that
[19:31:43] <nick> i didnt think anyone wanted them!
[19:31:53] <cmn32480> we had a cpuple cameras get stolen at one job
[19:32:10] <cmn32480> it was a government job, and they paid for it.
[19:32:23] <cmn32480> boxes of Cat5e?
[19:32:33] <nick> years ago i ended up with 1km of cat5e, needed 10 run 100m, got 10 boxes.
[19:32:36] <cmn32480> not too many people do... unless they are installers of other products
[19:33:23] <nick> i cant actually remember how much it was, but it was a lot, the company had no use for it after that
[19:33:34] <nick> the guy i was working with at the time was just going to leave it behind
[19:33:44] <cmn32480> I keep a partial box at home... never know when I'll need ti
[19:33:50] <cmn32480> zoinks
[19:33:53] <janrinok> I wish I could find cable left over like that!
[19:34:05] <nick> i miss those days
[19:34:09] <nick> for that reason only
[19:34:17] <nick> never ran out of cable back then
[19:34:19] <cmn32480> Cat5e runs about $55/box from the right suppliers
[19:34:34] <nick> i need those suppliers lol
[19:34:42] <cmn32480> sewelldirect.com
[19:34:50] <cmn32480> http://www.sewelldirect.com
[19:34:51] <jarvis> ^ 03Connect Anything - SewellDirect.com ( https://sewelldirect.com )
[19:34:58] <cmn32480> though I don't knwo if they ship to the UK
[19:35:14] <janrinok> I suspect that the mail costs would outweigh the savings...
[19:35:17] <nick> mhm
[19:35:53] <nick> it's not too expensive really, but $55 sounds nice
[19:36:19] <cmn32480> that is all CCA though
[19:36:42] <nick> oh well you can keep it
[19:36:45] <nick> :p
[19:37:01] <cmn32480> they sell pure Copper stuff, but it is about $80(?) a box
[19:37:04] <cmn32480> maybe more
[19:37:10] <cmn32480> we''ve never had issue with the CCA
[19:37:47] <nick> i bought some i think last year?
[19:37:50] <nick> never again
[19:38:04] <nick> i sent it all back
[19:38:42] <nick> i pay about $80 for pure copper, by the time it's delivered.
[19:40:07] <nick> some CCA is usable no doubt, but what i got was not. most cable i'm not fussed with, but i really dislike some of the poor quality cat5e ive had to deal with
[19:42:55] <cmn32480> I've not had an issue with the CCA from Sewell
[19:43:02] <cmn32480> nad it keeps my cost down.
[19:43:11] <cmn32480> if they want Cat6, that is a different part number.
[19:46:09] <nick> never had to buy it
[20:04:29] <janrinok> gtg guys - it's that time already
[20:04:37] * nick hat tip
[20:04:41] <nick> take care janrinok
[20:04:49] <cmn32480> night janrinok
[20:04:54] <cmn32480> give S my best, please
[20:09:48] <janrinok> I will, thx. Hopefully, I will be back on here tomorrow
[20:09:59] <cmn32480> little luck!
[20:10:09] <janrinok> take care, both of you!
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[21:06:44] <nick> 19 cigarettes in a pack, since when is that a ting
[21:06:46] <nick> thing*
[21:07:04] <cmn32480> you got shorted 1
[21:07:43] <nick> it says 19 on the side
[21:07:51] <cmn32480> pssshhhhttt
[21:07:53] <cmn32480> you got shorted 1
[21:08:03] <cmn32480> same price as a pack of 20?
[21:08:30] <nick> this happened when i thought i was buying half an ounce of tobacco, expecting 12.5g because, and i actually got 9g
[21:08:48] <nick> they're being very crafty with it these days
[21:09:00] <crutchy> cig exec: "how can we make more monies?" accountant: "we could charge the same price but gradually reduce the number of cigs" exec: "genius!"
[21:09:12] <cmn32480> you need this
[21:09:14] <cmn32480> http://www.amazon.com
[21:09:16] <jarvis> ^ 03Amazon.com : ELEMENTS 12inch GIANT ROLLER : Other Products : Everything Else
[21:09:34] <nick> lol
[21:09:37] <cmn32480> http://www.amazon.com
[21:09:38] <jarvis> ^ 03Amazon.com: Raw Foot Long Rolling Paper (One Pack): Health Personal Care
[21:09:55] <nick> i usually roll my own, and i do recommend raw papers in general.
[21:11:09] <nick> i have never seen that before though, foot long papers.
[21:11:30] <cmn32480> me thinks that is for a "party"
[21:11:44] <crutchy> tama would normally recommend a foot long dong at this point
[21:11:51] <nick> i remember, in my youth sticking many papers together :p
[21:11:52] <cmn32480> I stumbled on them today while looking for somethign else
[21:12:36] <nick> tama?
[21:13:22] <cmn32480> I was looking for a 12" roll adapter for a thermal printer... and that came up
[21:13:35] <cmn32480> we got a good laugh out of it
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[23:26:10] <CoolHand> when 2nd editing, I think the NTP story is dupe.. took it off display.. someone else double check me..