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[00:39:04] <takyon> for the dog story
[00:39:09] <takyon> "Dog" or "Dogs" in the headline
[00:40:55] <nick> well i changed it from Doggie and Fido
[00:41:05] <nick> so whatever you think works ;)
[00:41:16] <takyon> lol
[00:41:56] <nick> it was 'Doggie DNA Study Says Fido..."
[00:42:17] <nick> i thought that wasn't the right kind of language for a headline on this site
[00:47:05] <nick> are you ok with what i did on the WD story?
[00:47:29] <takyon> absolutely
[00:48:07] <takyon> are we using <hr> to separate submissions these days? I haven't really done that but it seems to be a good idea
[00:48:52] <nick> i have not done it like that before
[00:49:00] <nick> but it made sense in that specific context
[00:49:39] <nick> i usually try and merge the submissions completely, but with yours being original and covering a wider topic it keeps the flow of the article
[00:51:08] <nick> its nice to have an informative and well sourced article
[00:53:59] <nick> have a thing for running parallel stories, the perceived good news and the bad news of a single or closely related story, covered by different media
[00:56:15] <Yog-Yogguth> link domains don't show after links in the submission preview but I guess tehy'll still show up if the submission is accepted?
[00:57:26] <nick> ?
[00:58:09] <Yog-Yogguth> I'm talking about the square brackets after a link that show the domain of the link
[00:58:52] <Yog-Yogguth> for example [wikipedia.org after a wikipedia link
[00:59:14] <Yog-Yogguth> [wikipedia.org]
[00:59:24] <chromas> it's okay; we don't expect the editors to sneak in goatse links
[00:59:37] <chromas> which is why they should do it ;)
[01:00:19] <Yog-Yogguth> so it has been removed? it's helpful whenthere are different links folowing each other
[01:00:43] <nick> they only show up in submissions normally, and in comments
[01:00:58] <nick> when editing and in published they do not appear
[01:01:31] <Yog-Yogguth> ah okay, thanks, don't mind me I was just a bit confused again (I've been working on this story far too long)
[01:01:33] <nick> sometimes they are added in manually by editor or submitter
[01:02:46] <Yog-Yogguth> honestly I'd like someone to have a look at it before even submitting it, is there any way I/you can do that?
[01:04:00] <Yog-Yogguth> or maybe I need to sleep on this one, it feels incomplete
[01:04:34] <nick> do what needs to be done, submit it, and then i'll ruin it
[01:06:08] <nick> i'm about to crash, but if you sleep on it im sure someone will give it a look tomorrow
[01:06:59] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah I've already talked with janrinok and bytram and others, has been working on it for many hours (it's the Data Science Machine story in case they check and read this)
[01:08:13] <nick> http://www.cbronline.com
[01:08:14] <knack> ^ 03AI machine outsmarts human competition - Computer Business Review
[01:08:16] <nick> to do with that?
[01:08:38] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah but almost all the reporting is stupid and misses the point, it's a much bigger story than they realize
[01:08:48] <nick> for sure
[01:09:04] <nick> i am now waiting with great interest on your submission
[01:09:09] <Yog-Yogguth> :D
[01:09:40] <nick> there are so many important things people are really not writing about, from what i see
[01:09:59] <Yog-Yogguth> yes, true enough
[01:10:59] <nick> i've found it very hard to know where to begin, see new stories every day not getting the proper coverage
[01:11:27] <Yog-Yogguth> yes, I have another one too but then this one came along and was bigger
[01:11:59] <Yog-Yogguth> (the other one is about US & Twitter collaborating on censorship)
[01:12:04] <takyon> not reading this hwole block of text but
[01:12:08] <Yog-Yogguth> very underreported as far as I know
[01:12:19] <takyon> the link domain doesn't show in actual stories unless a default setting is changed by users
[01:12:27] <takyon> that's my understanding
[01:12:32] <Yog-Yogguth> oh okay
[01:13:02] <nick> Yog-Yogguth: i assume the us/twitter collaboration is to 'root out extremists'?
[01:13:56] <Yog-Yogguth> the US/Twitter one is about making Twitter users believe that their messages are being ignored by other Twitter users i.e. to silence topics etc. and has been proven by among others Appelbaum
[01:14:01] <Yog-Yogguth> by coincidence
[01:14:15] <Yog-Yogguth> and only affects US IP addresses
[01:14:22] <Yog-Yogguth> i.e. only in the US
[01:14:28] <nick> got them some gchq tools
[01:15:28] <nick> all these things have kind of blurred into one, after reading a few dozen stories about the various tools they have
[01:15:50] <nick> https://soylentnews.org
[01:15:51] <knack> ^ 03Error
[01:15:58] <chromas> "making Twitter users believe that their messages are being ignored"
[01:16:00] <Yog-Yogguth> however I was planning on tying it in with the censorship of "extremists" by Facebook on orders from Merkel (if you've heard about that slip-up)
[01:16:01] <nick> http://spectrum.ieee.org
[01:16:02] <chromas> reverse hellbanning?
[01:16:03] <knack> ^ 03IARPA’s New Director Wants You to Surprise Him - IEEE Spectrum
[01:16:26] <Yog-Yogguth> chromas it's very subtle, hold on while I find the tab with the pdf
[01:17:09] * chromas wishes something would replace twitter already; maybe something with pictures and longer messages
[01:17:11] <Yog-Yogguth> here http://members.efn.org I got it from a Schneier comment
[01:17:20] <nick> Yog-Yogguth: it could work well for isolating threats
[01:17:34] <Yog-Yogguth> it lessens the impact of people
[01:17:41] <nick> control who can communicate with people
[01:17:49] <nick> it's subtle and efficient no doubt
[01:18:10] <Yog-Yogguth> the comment can be found somewhere here (I haven't read beyond it, there might be more later)
[01:18:22] <Yog-Yogguth> anyone please feel free to write something up about that XD
[01:18:37] <Yog-Yogguth> oops here https://www.schneier.com
[01:18:38] <knack> ^ 03Friday Squid Blogging: Squid Photos - Schneier on Security
[01:19:33] <nick> it is time for me to sleep sadly
[01:19:42] <nick> take care Yog-Yogguth
[01:19:48] <Yog-Yogguth> yeah I should sleep as well, cya :)
[01:19:54] * nick hat tip
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[03:09:19] <Bytram|away> http://www.sciencedaily.com
[03:09:19] <knack> ^ 03To infinity and beyond: Light goes infinitely fast with new on-chip material -- ScienceDaily
[03:09:30] <Bytram|away> nick: !!
[03:09:50] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[03:13:11] * Bytram is waiting for a ~320 MiB Ubuntu Mate software update to complete; I think have on the order of 200 MiB downloaded so far
[03:13:49] <Bytram> I'm not sure which will happen first -- download completes of the load balancers get rebooted
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[03:36:39] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[03:36:40] <knack> ^ 03Enormous Pluto mosaic made from crowdsourced Earth photos - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
[03:39:47] <Bytram> Each mosaic contains between 1,500 and 2,100 photos, using software to select the right colours and shapes for Pluto's colours and shapes. And the resulting files are enormous: at full resolution, they would print out at 3.35 by 3.35 metres (11 by 11 feet).
[03:40:33] <Bytram> The photos include landscapes, selfies, pets and famous landmarks, but there's also a secret homage. In the informally named Tombaugh Regio region of Pluto's now-famous "heart," the team included a photo of Clyde Tombaugh, who discovered Pluto in 1930, with his home-made nine-inch telescope.
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[03:52:45] <Bytram> nick: hi!
[03:52:47] <Bytram> http://www.sciencedaily.com
[03:52:47] <knack> ^* 03To infinity and beyond: Light goes infinitely fast with new on-chip material -- ScienceDaily
[03:53:41] <Bytram> not quite right. It's the *phase* of light that can go infinitely fast in a material with a zero index of refraction
[03:54:37] <Bytram> afk biab
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[10:18:02] <Bytram|away> I popped in for a bit to update the Site Reboot Schedule Story to indicate the first two nights were successfully completed and to call out the last remaining night's reboots. dev server (https://dev.soylentnews.org/) will be down as a result of the last system's reboot. Don't know if there will be any other user-facing outages.
[10:18:02] <knack> ^ 03Dev.SN: Dev.SN is secured dead goatse
[10:18:36] <Bytram|away> and where did knack / monopoly3 get THAT from?
[10:21:12] <Bytram|away> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[10:21:12] <knack> ^* 03'10-second' hack jogs Fitbits into malware-spreading mode • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[10:22:04] * Bytram|away is going back to bed... hope to see ya later
[10:29:11] <Bytram|away> !uid
[10:29:11] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5922, owned by jez9999
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[14:03:54] <nick> howdy
[14:04:02] <cmn32480> heya nick
[14:04:30] <nick> how are you doing?
[14:06:25] <cmn32480> pretty good man. how 'bout you?
[14:08:57] <nick> not too bad i think, an afternoon of content creation ahead of me
[14:11:48] <cmn32480> a nice way to spend the afternoon, I hope.
[14:12:19] <nick> getting to the point where i cant procrastinate on it anymore
[14:12:31] <cmn32480> you and the buzzard are in the same boat
[14:12:45] <nick> i also got a load of drawings through today, that ive been waiting almost a month for
[14:12:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut?
[14:13:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i'm procrastinating now by doing up a sub.
[14:20:09] <nick> slightly disturbed by 0 submissions in the queue
[14:20:16] <nick> don't think ive ever actually seen that before
[14:20:44] <cmn32480> it is a preventative measuer to keep bytram from hitting 1000.
[14:20:52] <nick> lol
[14:21:02] <nick> nice
[14:21:26] <cmn32480> see the pm I jsut sent
[14:23:14] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[14:23:19] <nick> think i need to go tesco and buy me one of those super tasty Pizza Express Margherita
[14:23:40] <Bytram> cmn32480: yanno, I *could* just submit a story from the admin toolbar? ;)
[14:23:49] <Bytram> g';morning!
[14:23:59] <nick> that would be cheating though
[14:23:59] <cmn32480> ~g'day bytram!
[14:24:01] * exec fanatically flings a wine flute of red cordial at bytram!
[14:24:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~g'morning Bytram
[14:24:06] * exec spontaneously offers a DD cup of bacon to Bytram
[14:24:10] <nick> you wouldn't want your 1000th story to be a lie
[14:24:22] <cmn32480> and you can't edit adn sub your own stories
[14:24:22] <Bytram> wow! WHAT A WELCOME!
[14:25:17] <Bytram> janrinok: an idea on the ultrasonic energy beaming story: dept might include something about dog's ultrasonic hearing? from the dogs-hope-it-fails dept
[14:25:40] <Bytram> cmn32480: how are you this am?
[14:26:08] * Bytram is more awake than he has any right to be -- stayed up to watch the load balancers reboot
[14:26:20] <cmn32480> cruising toward 1000 authored stories... how about you?
[14:26:29] <Bytram> about as interesting as watching grass grow -- means our dev/sys team are top notch!!!
[14:26:38] <Bytram> paulej72++
[14:26:38] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 10
[14:26:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[14:26:42] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 1
[14:27:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> alls i did was sit n watch too. i don't gots no linode powah like pj.
[14:27:39] <Bytram> I'm sure he'd be happy to let you have it, if you wanted it. ;)
[14:27:50] <cmn32480> I was very pleased to see that nothing had changed when I checked in this morning.
[14:27:58] <cmn32480> ~quote 24
[14:28:03] <cmn32480> !quote 24
[14:28:04] <Bender> Quote 24 - <exec> <cmn32480> the actual function of the site will not be impared at all, other than not being accessible from the outside
[14:28:20] <cmn32480> so Bytram... was I correct?
[14:28:40] <Bytram> historically, Linode reboots would take about 20 minutes or so -- last night's reboot of Sodium and Magnesium took about 45 minutes
[14:29:02] <cmn32480> yeesh... that's a touch nerve wracking
[14:29:06] <Bytram> so far? ;)
[14:29:10] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:29:58] <Bytram> but, pj was at the Linode console so he could tell when they were trying to start up our server and see that it was taking longer than expected
[14:30:41] <cmn32480> 45 minutes woudl ahve been borderline panic for me
[14:30:45] * Bytram launches his mate Vm
[14:31:03] <Bytram> yuppers
[14:31:10] <cmn32480> hows the new VM workign out?
[14:31:11] <janrinok> Bytram: feel free to add the dept to the ultrasonic story - my mind just came up blank at that point
[14:31:35] <Bytram> cmn32480: btw, this lappy has only just recently exceeded 50% memory usage for the first time
[14:31:38] <Bytram> =)
[14:31:49] <cmn32480> with the new VM that doesn't surprise me
[14:31:54] <cmn32480> not even a little
[14:32:09] <cmn32480> but I am glad it is functioning well for you.
[14:32:20] <Bytram> An error occurred while mounting /shared_001. Press S to skip mounting or M for manual recovery
[14:32:25] * Bytram presses S
[14:32:58] <janrinok> that will be your shared drive between windows and linux - have you delete one or the other?
[14:33:09] <Bytram> VBoxClient: the VirtualBox kernel services are not running
[14:33:25] <janrinok> that's doesn't sound good
[14:33:30] <cmn32480> nope
[14:33:33] <cmn32480> totally normal
[14:33:45] <janrinok> OK, I use VMWare
[14:33:48] <cmn32480> I see it every time I start my ubuntu VM
[14:34:32] <Bytram> things are still a little wonky atm -- In a prior job I used LAN Manager extensively, so I knew *what* I was trying to do on the windows side to make a shared dir available... but finding out the details (e.g. hostname, etc) took a while longer
[14:34:52] <Bytram> I think that I now have THAT part correct, but I'm not too worried about it atm
[14:35:03] <janrinok> there is a learning curve, but well within your abilities
[14:35:20] * Bytram downloaded about 350 MB of Ubuntu updates yesterday
[14:35:31] <Bytram> janrinok: thanks for the affirmation
[14:36:13] <Bytram> I learn by doing; I Wanna do something. How do I do that? Oh, is that it? I remember that. Lather/Rinse/Repeat.
[14:36:15] <Bytram> just a matter of time
[14:36:27] <janrinok> you will bang your head on the desk a few times until you have that 'Eureka' or 'Oh, that's how it works' moment
[14:36:34] <Bytram> and remembering what my root pwd is. :/
[14:36:53] <Bytram> my forehead is already flattened enough to prove that true
[14:37:09] <janrinok> I never log is as root, always use sudo. In fact, disabling root log-in is a good security feature
[14:37:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, only for wussies
[14:37:38] <Bytram> I'm quite comfortable with the userland (GNU) tools Coreutils and fileutils, it's the admin stuff that are weak
[14:37:38] <janrinok> lol
[14:38:00] <Bytram> janrinok: liewise, but I still have to remember the password.
[14:38:08] <janrinok> how long did it take you to learn Windows - all your computing life I reckon
[14:38:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, seriously though, unless you got a really good reason why, disable root logins.
[14:38:23] <janrinok> using sudo is the same password as your user
[14:38:51] <Bytram> so I thought, but for some reason, yesterday, it seemed to not work
[14:38:56] <janrinok> I haven't got a root pw - I don't need one
[14:39:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> sudo = your pw, su = root's pw
[14:39:01] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:39:06] <Bytram> oh
[14:39:10] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ thanks
[14:39:10] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 2
[14:39:13] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ thanks
[14:39:13] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 3
[14:39:30] <cmn32480> I didn't knwo that buzzard. Thanks!
[14:39:35] <janrinok> you can always sudo su
[14:39:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> or sudo bash or sudo -i
[14:40:03] <Bytram> okay, is there a simple way to tell Mate that I want more than just a single a pixel width's of window border on a terminal window to grab for window resizing?
[14:40:10] <Bytram> nice!
[14:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yes. change your theme.
[14:40:28] * Bytram whistles Yankee Doodle
[14:40:33] <Bytram> doesn't help
[14:40:34] <Bytram> =)
[14:40:39] <janrinok> ah, that is one of the bad bits about MATE - I'll google for it. Can't remember offhand
[14:40:42] <cmn32480> try "Rawhide"
[14:40:52] <Bytram> great tune!
[14:41:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[14:41:14] <knack> ^ 03Rawhide - The Blues Brothers (5/9) Movie CLIP (1980) HD - YouTube
[14:42:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> alt-space will bring up the window menu and you can resize from there if you don't wanna learn themes.
[14:42:23] <janrinok> Bytram: you do know about the dotted grab triangle in the bottom right of each window - it is just a bit easier using that
[14:42:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> this triangle thing you speak of... i have not one.
[14:43:03] <Bytram> yes, I do, but it is not terribly visible (at least to what I was accustomed to on windoes)
[14:43:09] <janrinok> true
[14:43:14] <Bytram> no rawhide available for me
[14:43:28] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: what distro are you running?
[14:43:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> distro is arch but the windows environment is a frankenbeast of my own making.
[14:44:26] <takyon> what is going on in sub land
[14:44:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit of mate, bit of lxde, bit of a buncha other stuff that i can't be arsed to remember.
[14:44:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, cmn32480 is trying to keep Bytram from hitting 1k
[14:44:58] <janrinok> hi takyon!!
[14:45:01] <takyon> hi
[14:45:10] <takyon> sounds... vindictive
[14:45:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you're at 999 right now, yes?
[14:45:16] <cmn32480> nah.....
[14:45:18] <Bytram> System / Control Center / Change Theme / Custom Theme / Customize / WinMe
[14:45:27] <takyon> I added a note on top of the WD article and changed the headline
[14:45:33] <takyon> WD is buying SanDisk
[14:45:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[14:45:45] <Bytram> ah, much better
[14:45:54] <Bytram> need a short break; afk
[14:45:58] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:45:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 35
[14:45:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> WinMe?!
[14:46:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> .socialist Bytram
[14:46:15] <exec> Bytram, YOU'RE a SOCIALIST!
[14:46:21] <cmn32480> the OS was shit... but the windows theme was pretty nice
[14:46:35] <takyon> windows theme?
[14:46:58] <cmn32480> bytram is playing with desktop themes in his mate VM
[14:47:16] <takyon> I always go with classic
[14:47:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Onyx-Citrus here
[14:48:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> clearlooks for the widgits
[15:00:49] <nick> so on my way to tesco, popped into charity shop and found myself picking up a copy of Hillary Clinton's "Living History"
[15:01:35] <cmn32480> did you start to burn upon touching it?
[15:02:11] <nick> it did feel quite uncomfortable, but it was front and centre ontop of a pile of books
[15:02:16] <nick> 4 books for 99p
[15:02:32] <takyon> Read "Living History" while drinking Tesco value lemonade
[15:02:44] <nick> it can go next to my Thatcher "The Downing Street Years"
[15:03:13] <nick> tesco cloudy lemonade for the win
[15:04:00] <nick> couple of philosophy books, clinton book and a copy of Trainspotting
[15:05:22] <nick> found one of the philosophy books on amazon used, cheapest is £10
[15:06:08] <Bytram> Trainspotting? is that like trying to make them look like leopards?
[15:06:59] <nick> it could be
[15:07:09] <nick> i'm hoping it's the book version of the film of the same name
[15:07:13] <cmn32480> I think that is trainpainitng Bytram
[15:07:25] <Bytram> lol
[15:09:58] <Bytram> hey, looks like the deal is made: http://www.forbes.com
[15:09:58] <knack> ^ 03Forbes Welcome ( http://www.forbes.com )
[15:10:05] <Bytram> urk.
[15:10:09] <Bytram> lemme find another
[15:10:21] <Bytram> http://www.wsj.com
[15:10:22] <knack> ^ 03Western Digital to Buy SanDisk for $19 Billion - WSJ
[15:11:46] <takyon> i updated the article already
[15:11:49] <takyon> you can check it out
[15:12:05] <takyon> the details are basically the same even with the confirmation thrown in
[15:13:09] <takyon> the press release indicates that the Toshiba partnership is likely intact
[15:13:46] <takyon> funny because a while later I was reading a (previous?) Tom's article that was spreading a little doubt about it
[15:13:57] <takyon> http://www.tomshardware.com
[15:13:58] <knack> ^ 03Intel Returns To Memory Manufacturing, Future Of IMFT In Doubt
[15:14:15] <takyon> "SanDisk and Toshiba have been strong partners in their Flash Forward alliance, which was also recently thrown into doubt by the revelation that SanDisk is in negotiations with Western Digital on a possible buyout offer."
[15:15:21] <nick> makes me wonder why toshiba wasn't interested in buying them
[15:16:15] <takyon> idk. Toshiba is a weird company
[15:35:45] <nick> dont know about that specifically, just know that they seem to make reasonable hardware
[15:38:52] <takyon> they seem a lot like Sony, except less evil
[15:42:06] <cmn32480> being a VAR for tehm is a massive pain in the ass
[15:42:13] <nick> VAR?
[15:42:23] <cmn32480> Value Added Reseller
[15:42:32] <nick> sony went from being evil with good products to just being straight up evil in my book
[15:42:44] <nick> why is it a pain?
[15:43:10] <cmn32480> basically it mean swe will sell you the box wiht the widget in it, adn we will offer you the chance to buy a bunch of other services like preconfiguration adn setup, installation, etc.
[15:43:27] <cmn32480> they have an internal structure like a bowl of spaghetti
[15:43:44] <cmn32480> i don't ahve jsut one rep
[15:44:22] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[15:44:31] <cmn32480> we have a channel rep, and a rep based on product line, and a different one for a given product line based on what vertical we are selling into
[15:44:31] <janrinok_afk> cooking time!
[15:44:38] <cmn32480> WOO HOO!
[15:44:42] <cmn32480> save me some!
[15:44:50] <janrinok_afk> OK
[15:45:03] <nick> i've been trying to get a similar thing set-up with panasonic for their 'toughbooks and toughpads' and they're just a massive pain in the ass, they apparently cant guarantee any supply chain or availability of the hardware
[15:45:22] <cmn32480> correct
[15:45:31] <cmn32480> Panasonic is the same massive PITA
[15:45:39] <takyon> they are a keiretsu
[15:45:40] <nick> i dont mind having to go through a distributor for it all, but to be like "yeah, go there, they'll either have them or they wont, if they don't who knows when/if they'll have anymore"
[15:45:52] <cmn32480> correct
[15:46:09] <nick> i've seen the distributors 'expecting delivery of 1000 units'
[15:46:11] <cmn32480> and becaseu Toughbooks are all made in Japan, you get stuck with a 3 month lead time
[15:46:27] <nick> say for tomorrow, but then tomorrow comes and it's suddenly expecting 10 units next month
[15:46:29] <cmn32480> and those 1000 are jsut to fill the backorders
[15:47:07] <nick> i think on the toughpads ive seen them literally ancitipating to recieve one in a month.
[15:47:12] <nick> the fuck can anyone do with that
[15:47:21] <cmn32480> nothing
[15:47:45] <cmn32480> other issue is that Panasonic has crappy margins on the tough* line
[15:47:52] <nick> that they do
[15:48:12] <cmn32480> since everybody sells them, the margins are low just to be cometitive
[15:48:38] <nick> i'd like to offer something else, but ive not found anything really competitive
[15:48:50] <cmn32480> certainly nothign wiht that kind of name
[15:48:53] <nick> nothing with brand recognition anyway
[15:49:05] <cmn32480> ninja'd!
[15:49:26] <nick> i would be fine for selling a less known brand, if they had a supply chain i could count on
[15:49:36] <nick> or at least have some kind of faith in
[15:50:13] <cmn32480> yeah. we know
[15:50:22] <cmn32480> same boat here
[15:51:14] <nick> maybe i should just do it myself, make my own damn 'rugged' laptops and tablets ¬_¬
[15:51:25] * nick goes to make a kickstarter
[15:51:35] <Bytram> so, get together with some other folks; fly to japan and buy a 100, 200 whatevah units and bring 'em home?
[15:51:58] <cmn32480> that is a HUGE capital investment
[15:52:15] <cmn32480> if they Tough* line runs about $2k each....
[15:52:21] * nick rummages in his pockets for $50k
[15:52:30] <cmn32480> check the couch cusions
[15:52:34] <Bytram> look under the couch cushions, too
[15:52:37] <nick> lol
[15:52:40] <Bytram> ninja'd
[15:52:42] <cmn32480> ninja'd!
[15:53:02] <cmn32480> and ninja'd again!
[15:53:04] <nick> if only i didnt spend the 99p on books earlier, i could have made this work.
[15:53:29] <cmn32480> bytram.... check the no display in the story queue
[15:53:36] <cmn32480> I think the ed notes say it well
[15:53:43] <nick> cmn32480: what is your opinion on the tough* line in general, i've only had very limited hands-on with them
[15:53:55] <cmn32480> they are fabulous units.
[15:53:59] <cmn32480> if you can get them
[15:54:20] <Bytram> ina minute... /me is fighting with css
[15:54:59] <nick> thats good, maybe i'll get one for myself in that case, for the next summers festivals
[15:55:14] <cmn32480> suggestion?
[15:55:36] <nick> ?
[15:55:38] <cmn32480> you might want to do a toughpad and a keyboard
[15:55:45] <cmn32480> depending on need
[15:55:49] <nick> oh?
[15:55:57] <Bytram> I'm in the non-display sotry now
[15:55:59] <nick> i would have gone for a toughbook
[15:56:21] <cmn32480> might be less capital investment, depending on what features etc you need.
[15:56:29] <Bytram> somebody needs to hit save -- saw nothing there.
[15:56:37] <cmn32480> yoiu see the ed note
[15:56:39] <Bytram> cmn32480: ^^ mrcoolbp: ^^
[15:57:07] <mrcoolbp> ALL: reload it, I just finished
[15:57:18] <Bytram> ok, *NOW* I see some text
[15:57:22] <Bytram> k
[15:57:22] <mrcoolbp> = P
[15:57:22] <nick> as if by magic
[15:57:34] <cmn32480> the note was only funny while the story was empty...
[15:58:23] * mrcoolbp didn't see the note, aparently I deleted it with my update
[15:58:38] <cmn32480> :-( rats....
[15:58:53] <cmn32480> it was on the blank story and siad "this might need some fleshing out"
[15:59:04] <mrcoolbp> heh
[15:59:11] <mrcoolbp> have at it boys
[15:59:15] * nick likes the 'don't worry, no more servers' line
[15:59:16] <cmn32480> like I said.. only funny when it was blank
[15:59:33] <mrcoolbp> I put it in "Meta" only, not sure if that's the proper procedure
[15:59:51] <Bytram> yes, i saw *that*... was thinking you were just fooling with me and wanted to keep me from getting my 1000th story! =)
[16:00:02] <Bytram> meta is cool
[16:00:13] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: I specifically wrote it as "New" so you don't get the credit = P
[16:00:13] <nick> last time i checked, it needed main page too
[16:00:33] <mrcoolbp> nick: really? doesn't that defeat the purpose of people being able to filter out meta stories?
[16:00:37] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: ummm, thanks. :P
[16:00:43] <mrcoolbp> no problem sir!!
[16:00:48] <nick> that was a while ago, it might have changed
[16:00:50] <Bytram> I'm with keping it as just meta
[16:00:57] <nick> but if you just put it as meta, then it wont show on the main page
[16:01:04] <nick> at least they didnt used to
[16:01:06] <Bytram> it should
[16:01:22] <cmn32480> it can be both
[16:01:25] <Bytram> nick: did you see the story about the site's server shutdown schedule
[16:01:28] <nick> my information could be out of date
[16:01:31] <Bytram> that was set to just meta, IIRC
[16:01:45] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[16:01:45] <knack> ^✓ 03SN article:  Site Server Reboot Schedule 04(20 comments)
[16:01:54] <nick> i know before doing it, if it was only meta then it would be hidden unless you went on the meta nexus
[16:01:57] <nick> but that was months ago now
[16:02:24] <nick> seems like that got fixed
[16:02:31] <cmn32480> bytram - I have taken pity upon thee and restored the submission queue.
[16:02:40] <nick> it will need to be changed in the future though im guessing
[16:02:49] <nick> to stop every nexus story appearing on the main page
[16:03:08] <Bytram> I dunno... css floats just have me confuzled
[16:03:19] <cmn32480> my css sinks...
[16:03:34] <mrcoolbp> I thought the idea is that if you turn OFF meta in your prefs, it WONT show on the main page, otherwise it WILL ?
[16:03:58] <cmn32480> one way to find out.
[16:04:00] <cmn32480> brb
[16:04:01] <nick> mrcoolbp: i am out of the loop, so only saying my perception from the last discussion on the topic.
[16:04:15] <mrcoolbp> nick: we could do a test on dev....
[16:04:16] <nick> but if we adopt nexuses more in general (outside meta)
[16:04:24] <Bytram> that is what I understood... you *will* see it unless you took steps to supress it.
[16:04:29] <mrcoolbp> ^^
[16:04:30] <nick> then we risk cluttering the front page with trivial stories
[16:05:04] <nick> i thought part of the nexus idea was to give room for stories that are interesting, but to not necessarily merit main page status
[16:05:04] <mrcoolbp> nick: again, people can filter out "games" or "Meta" or "linux" if they so choose, that's the idea anyway
[16:05:20] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[16:05:22] <nick> yeah, i understand that
[16:05:26] <knack> ^ 03Halloween asteroid to shave past Earth, astronomers say
[16:05:27] <Bytram> whooosh!
[16:05:29] <mrcoolbp> if they don't fiter out anything, they get everthing
[16:05:35] <Bytram> zactly
[16:05:38] <nick> but it's a case of say, i'm not all that fussed about linux
[16:05:42] <cmn32480> ok
[16:05:45] <nick> so i disable the nexus
[16:05:55] <nick> but that doesnt mean i dont care that a major version was releasedd
[16:05:57] <cmn32480> I have turned off Meta and the nexus does NOT show the stories on the main page for me
[16:05:58] <nick> or there's a security issue
[16:06:13] <nick> it just means i dont need to know about every new release of every distro ever
[16:06:16] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: we are wondering the other way around
[16:06:20] <nick> thats my perception
[16:06:20] <mrcoolbp> (if you don't turn it off)
[16:06:29] <cmn32480> if you don't turn it off, you see it
[16:06:35] <cmn32480> they are opt out, not opt in
[16:06:43] <mrcoolbp> that's what I thought
[16:06:47] <mrcoolbp> thanks
[16:06:47] <Bytram> hmm, but what if, in the future, we have 50 nexuses? 100 Nexuses? think of reddit... that would be like trying to read all of the stuff on usenet, by default
[16:06:52] <nick> i understand what you're saying, and that how i expected it
[16:07:00] <nick> but it only works in the context of meta content
[16:07:07] <mrcoolbp> I think the idea is to only have like 10 nexuses or so
[16:07:10] <nick> in more general content, it leaves no room for priority and main page status
[16:07:17] <mrcoolbp> (how many does slashdot have?)
[16:07:25] <nick> the main page would almost be worthless
[16:07:32] <nick> the main page should be a "best of the nexuses"
[16:07:34] <Bytram> ISTR about a dozen or so -- haven't looked in ages
[16:07:36] <nick> of thats where we're going with it
[16:07:38] <nick> if*
[16:07:45] <mrcoolbp> nick: that could be a "Bestof nexus"
[16:07:47] * mrcoolbp ducks
[16:07:55] <Bytram> nick -- who defines 'best' ?
[16:08:02] <takyon> the dwarffortress nexus shouldn't make the front page
[16:08:02] <nick> Bytram: us.
[16:08:05] * Bytram has donned devil's advocate cap
[16:08:09] <nick> last time i heard about it
[16:08:09] <mrcoolbp> The Main page is everything (that you want) from what I understood
[16:08:19] <nick> nexuses were going to have their own editors, or thats the idea
[16:08:34] <Bytram> but what is the *default* for 'what you want' ??
[16:08:51] <Bytram> own editors was the thought at the time
[16:08:53] <mrcoolbp> some might only browse "Gaming" for example (this is in the future I'm talking about as we don't havbe "Gaming" yet) or some might like to filter out "Meta" but see everything else
[16:09:04] <takyon> the more niche it is, the less likely it is to be set to default
[16:09:05] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: everything
[16:09:13] <cmn32480> the default is everything.
[16:09:18] <takyon> orly
[16:09:20] <nick> if everything is default, then using the linux as the example again
[16:09:21] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[16:09:22] <Bytram> so, it'd be like opting in to all of Reddit or Usenet?
[16:09:29] <Bytram> by default.
[16:09:34] <cmn32480> unless you turn it off
[16:09:36] <Bytram> you'd have to opt out to not see something?
[16:09:43] <nick> whats going to stop us from having whole days with nothing but "x ditro releases v8.382 RC2"
[16:09:43] <cmn32480> correct
[16:09:43] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: no it's like when you click on the Reddit icon and you see "The Front page of the internet"
[16:09:55] * Bytram hasn't been to reddit in a couple years
[16:09:58] <mrcoolbp> hehe
[16:10:07] <nick> because a lot can happen in new versions of software especially in the open-source/linux area
[16:10:20] <Bytram> takyon: how are your css skills? my forehead is getting pretty falt atm
[16:10:21] <mrcoolbp> nick: sure, but some of us don't use linuxd
[16:10:23] <nick> and the signal:noise would destroy the rest of the site, because there's potential for just so much software news
[16:10:29] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:10:33] <takyon> what do you need bytram
[16:10:35] <takyon> is it floats
[16:10:47] <Bytram> I *think* so.
[16:10:51] <takyon> show me
[16:10:52] * mrcoolbp wonders if anyone is actually proofreading the story
[16:10:59] <Bytram> can you plese take a look at dev?
[16:11:03] <cmn32480> nah.. we'd rather argue
[16:11:06] <takyon> one sec
[16:11:06] <Bytram> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[16:11:06] <knack> ^ 03Dev.SN: Dev.SN is secured dead goatse
[16:11:18] <Bytram> wherever does knack get that text from?
[16:11:28] <takyon> I'm looking at it
[16:11:31] <Bytram> k
[16:11:31] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: why not just do [[[GGG][WWWW] ?
[16:11:41] <Bytram> sounds pervy
[16:11:44] <Bytram> =)
[16:11:48] <mrcoolbp> seems easier
[16:11:48] <takyon> you need to fix the funding bar?
[16:11:56] <mrcoolbp> takyon: we are modifying it
[16:12:04] <mrcoolbp> for use with the "Stretch Goal"
[16:12:10] <takyon> ah
[16:12:11] <Bytram> yeah, am trying to retain an indeicator for the *original* goal, and add in one for the stretch goal, too
[16:12:25] <Bytram> the top one is the way it *was*
[16:12:29] <mrcoolbp> takyon: the BG was RED, so we don't want it to be red, we want it to be neutral
[16:12:39] <mrcoolbp> bytram: OH I see now
[16:12:41] <Bytram> the lower one is my attempts at adding another, internal bar for the part we are into the stretch
[16:12:43] <mrcoolbp> that makes sense
[16:12:50] <cmn32480> White on yellow doens't work well Bytram
[16:13:05] <Bytram> no kidding.
[16:13:17] <cmn32480> no. completely serious
[16:13:18] <takyon> the colors don't matter
[16:13:23] <takyon> making the bar work first matters
[16:13:27] <takyon> then we can change the 3 colors
[16:13:28] <Bytram> zactly
[16:13:30] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: hmm, should be [ggggg][line][ggg(new stretch progress][wwwww] then right?
[16:13:33] <Bytram> i just changed it to gray
[16:13:52] <cmn32480> thank you.
[16:14:01] <cmn32480> it is a very good idea
[16:14:17] <Bytram> could be. I was thinking of using different colors for each: orig goal progress; stretch goal progress; amount to go
[16:14:17] <takyon> I think I see what you're trying to do
[16:14:24] <Bytram> in total, that should add up to 100%
[16:14:26] <takyon> nesting it
[16:14:26] * cmn32480 is sutably impressed as codign of all kinds might as well be ancient Greek
[16:14:29] <Bytram> but, I'm open to suggestions
[16:14:41] <Bytram> takyon: do you have privs to modify dev?
[16:14:45] <CoolHand> you guys are too cool
[16:14:52] <takyon> no I'll just paste the code to you or something
[16:14:55] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: it's barely code cmn32480
[16:14:56] <Bytram> k
[16:15:04] <takyon> let's take this to another channel
[16:15:04] <mrcoolbp> CoolHand: so are you! it's in your name BTW
[16:15:11] <CoolHand> Bytram++
[16:15:11] <Bender> karma - bytram: 19
[16:15:14] <CoolHand> mrcoolbp++
[16:15:14] <Bender> karma - mrcoolbp: 10
[16:15:15] <mrcoolbp> takyon: suggest dev then?
[16:15:17] <cmn32480> the channel topic already told you this is where the cool kids hang out coolhand !!
[16:15:18] <Bytram> takyon: how 'bout QA?
[16:15:18] <CoolHand> mrcoolbp: likewise
[16:15:19] <CoolHand> :)
[16:15:21] <Bytram> #qa
[16:15:32] <mrcoolbp> CoolHand++
[16:15:32] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 21
[16:15:44] <mrcoolbp> takyon: #QA
[16:16:10] <mrcoolbp> Editors: please proofread the un-displayed post
[16:16:17] <mrcoolbp> 'Stretch Goal' one
[16:16:20] <cmn32480> yes dad.
[16:16:34] * mrcoolbp fires cmn32480 off towards the voyager
[16:17:05] <cmn32480> s/mrcoolbp fires cmn32480 off towards the voyager/mrcoolbp fires cmn32480/
[16:17:08] <cmn32480> rats...
[16:17:17] <mrcoolbp> hahaha
[16:17:20] <nick> i skimmed it, which is obviously not much help, but it could use some tightening up, it feels a little rambling
[16:17:25] <nick> just my 2c on it
[16:17:29] <mrcoolbp> nick: have at it bro
[16:17:36] <mrcoolbp> I tend to ramble
[16:17:46] <CoolHand> invite that; for example, -> invite that. For example,
[16:17:48] <nick> i'll let cmn32480 have a go if that's what he's doing now
[16:17:50] <CoolHand> (IMHO)
[16:17:53] <cmn32480> I am
[16:17:55] <cmn32480> give me a couple
[16:18:02] <mrcoolbp> sure sure
[16:18:13] <nick> i'll finish rolling the cigarette i started working on when you first said it was ready to look at :p
[16:18:22] <mrcoolbp> lol
[16:18:29] * mrcoolbp buys nick an e-cig
[16:19:53] <nick> e-cigs are actually quite good, but there's no craftsmanship in that, rolling your own is an art ;)
[16:19:53] <CoolHand> I think mrcoolbp's likes to run-on when he gets on a good roll... I tend to do that also.. (there are several LONG sentences in the 2nd half that I think would be better to break up, IMHO)
[16:20:05] <cmn32480> working on it CH.
[16:20:09] <cmn32480> gimme a sec
[16:20:18] <mrcoolbp> have fun boys
[16:20:28] <nick> how could we not?
[16:20:37] <CoolHand> cmn32480: yep... I knew you were working on it.. that's why I'm throwing my 2cents here instead of editing :)
[16:20:40] <mrcoolbp> nick: disagree, I build my own coils/wicks for my ecigs and make my own juice!
[16:21:01] * mrcoolbp vapes on come vanilla tobacco
[16:21:11] <nick> touche
[16:21:40] <nick> i have actual chocolate tobacco though :D
[16:21:46] <CoolHand> does that vaping have a smell that stays all over you all day like tobacco?
[16:21:51] <nick> making the most of it before the EU bans it forever
[16:22:11] <mrcoolbp> CoolHand: absolutely not
[16:22:23] <mrcoolbp> the only smell is from the vapor, and it smells awesome
[16:22:28] <mrcoolbp> it dissapates
[16:22:34] <nick> CoolHand: i've only noticed the vapour hangs in the air for quite some time, but the smell doesnt seem to hang around in the same way
[16:22:35] <CoolHand> hmmmm... interesting.. :)
[16:22:47] <mrcoolbp> nick: I have a "boston creme donut" that's fantastic = P
[16:23:19] <mrcoolbp> brb breakfast
[16:23:26] <nick> enjoy
[16:25:35] <cmn32480> fixing mixed prnouns
[16:25:39] <cmn32480> I shoudl bne we
[16:26:42] <nick> mrcoolbp: uses the royal "we"
[16:26:47] <mrcoolbp> lol
[16:26:54] <cmn32480> but also used the royal "I"
[16:26:58] <cmn32480> pick one!
[16:28:02] <nick> that was a slip into common parlance i assume
[16:28:24] <mrcoolbp> well most of the "Is" were stuff I actually did, and the "Wes" were stuff we did
[16:28:33] <mrcoolbp> so it was on purpose, but whatever reads better is fine
[16:28:48] <CoolHand> a common perspective would be nice I think
[16:29:00] <nick> yeah
[16:30:09] <cmn32480> ok whose next?
[16:30:19] <cmn32480> I have saved and updated
[16:31:09] <nick> i'll take a look
[16:33:35] <mrcoolbp> nick: "first focus on making the site self-sustaining first" (redundant first first in 2nd paragraph)
[16:33:42] <mrcoolbp> just saw it
[16:38:37] <nick> looks good to me
[16:38:56] <nick> i removed a first, but otherwise it's all good from here
[16:40:22] <CoolHand> need to change the time on it b4 displaying... :)
[16:40:34] <mrcoolbp> agree
[16:40:35] <nick> just doing that
[16:40:41] <nick> 17:41 sound good?
[16:41:07] <mrcoolbp> that would be now
[16:41:15] <cmn32480> replace something and move the replaced stry to the end fo the queue
[16:41:34] <CoolHand> now is 16:41
[16:42:23] <mrcoolbp> only other thing I can think of to add is that we are working on Stripe payment proccessing to use CCs without using paypal
[16:42:26] <mrcoolbp> just thought of that
[16:42:30] <mrcoolbp> sigh
[16:42:31] <cmn32480> I'd suggest putting it in place of the 1829 story, or swapping the WD from 16:55
[16:42:50] <cmn32480> add it in mrcoolbp.
[16:42:59] <cmn32480> we can delay it going out a few hours.
[16:43:05] <mrcoolbp> when nick is done I can
[16:43:21] <mrcoolbp> it would take 2min
[16:43:51] <nick> updated
[16:43:56] <mrcoolbp> sec
[16:44:39] <cmn32480> you moving the dog DNA story nick?
[16:44:48] <nick> yeah
[16:44:51] <cmn32480> okie
[16:44:54] <nick> doing a little shuffle
[16:44:54] <cmn32480> I will stay out of it
[16:45:03] * cmn32480 is a crappy dancer
[16:45:20] <nick> done now
[16:45:27] * cmn32480 can't sing either
[16:45:47] <cmn32480> <excellent>
[16:46:33] <cmn32480> hmmmm... as a raondom thoguht about the nexus thing...
[16:46:39] <nick> i would like to know, why for some reason when i look at stories queue or update a story, it takes me to a slightly different stories page showing seemingly random old stories
[16:46:57] <cmn32480> if a story is nexus only, and won't display on the main page for some, it may look like we have a huge gap in story releases
[16:47:08] <cmn32480> the meta story page
[16:47:13] <cmn32480> this is a known bug
[16:47:25] <cmn32480> or feature if you ask TMB
[16:47:52] <cmn32480> if you are in a nexus story (this one is META), it takes you back to the story queue for THAT nexus
[16:48:06] <mrcoolbp> added
[16:48:11] <cmn32480> you have to go back to the main page and click again
[16:48:15] <mrcoolbp> ^^^
[16:48:17] <mrcoolbp> yup
[16:48:22] <takyon> I think nexuses will result in more stories, not less
[16:48:36] <takyon> oh I get what you're saying
[16:48:54] <takyon> the solution in my mind is to scale the release spacing with the amount of submissions
[16:48:56] <cmn32480> I hope so takyon
[16:49:08] <takyon> Ideally we would have enough to run a story every 30 minutes if possible
[16:49:11] <nick> cmn32480: it's coming back to me now, story queue for nexus
[16:49:23] <cmn32480> need a lot more eds for that
[16:50:28] <mrcoolbp> nick: I updated the story, check to see that I didn't muck up the time
[16:50:31] <cmn32480> nick - it confused the heck out of all of us the first time we saw it too
[16:50:55] <nick> 30 minutes would be ideal, but i dont think its helpful to set targets for the main page especially
[16:51:52] <nick> i dont like the possible impact it would have on quality
[16:52:00] <cmn32480> I think one of the devs figured it out/explained it to us.
[16:52:05] <cmn32480> agreed
[16:52:29] <cmn32480> I think 30min is too frequent
[16:52:49] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: ...for the amount of users we have currently
[16:52:55] <cmn32480> yes
[16:53:04] <cmn32480> and subs and editors....
[16:53:11] <mrcoolbp> aye
[16:53:14] <nick> in an ideal world, every article on the main page should be worth reading, even if it's not a topic you specifically care about - never be 100% but that is what i try to do
[16:53:57] <cmn32480> somethign at leat mildly interesting or thought provoking?
[16:54:22] <takyon> my original conception was that we would chug along at whatever pace for the main page bound articles
[16:54:33] <takyon> while niche nexus articles could drop in whenever, and it wouldn't matter
[16:54:46] <takyon> with some nexuses being set not to display by default
[16:54:58] <takyon> but you have uprooted everything I believe and I must go to #qa
[16:54:59] <nick> either is fine, but something to think about or learn, engaging in the topic regardless of its direct relevance to the reader
[16:56:37] <nick> my opinion is (big picture) the main page should filter the nexuses, but easy to navigate to the specific nexus a story is tied to
[16:57:05] <takyon> the other day I had a radical idea for the main page: split it into two columns
[16:57:23] <nick> linux, games, liberty - the chances are you care about some parts of all of that, but not enough to need a dozen stories a day.
[16:57:42] <nick> oh?
[16:57:44] <nick> do go on
[17:01:36] <takyon> have our regular stories on the left, and niche stories on the right
[17:01:44] <takyon> but now I'm not sure that wouild work
[17:37:55] * Yog-Yogguth finally submits DSM story
[17:38:28] <Yog-Yogguth> it might look like much but that's the hardest thing I've written in decades
[17:38:38] <Yog-Yogguth> might not*
[17:38:53] <cmn32480> we appreciate the effort Yog-Yogguth
[17:39:09] <Yog-Yogguth> ty :D hopefully it's not shit
[17:39:32] <cmn32480> Maybe Bytram will use it for #1000
[17:40:00] <Bytram> takyon: you raise good points. I like the idea that the main page should mostly keep on plugging along and the other nexuses would have content on an 'whenever-they-feel-like-it' basis
[17:40:31] <Bytram> I'd be honored... am in the middle of something atm; maybe in a short while.
[17:41:05] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[17:41:25] <cmn32480> you missed all the fun and fireworks janrinok
[17:41:45] <janrinok> If I might make a suggestion. The front page news stories carry on as they are, stories from the nexuses simply show the title and a link to that nexus?
[17:42:04] <cmn32480> that is a user setting
[17:42:04] <janrinok> cmn32480: just be back reading for 15 minutes
[17:42:07] <mrcoolbp> janrinok!
[17:42:12] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: !!
[17:42:15] <mrcoolbp> hey man
[17:42:25] <janrinok> how you doing on your day off?
[17:43:03] <mrcoolbp> Yog-yogguth: we are working on a "Stretch Goal" story thanks to all of our wonderful subscribers (wink) we will have extra money this year
[17:43:29] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: care to take a look at ^? It's going live soon
[17:43:39] <janrinok> seen it - like it!
[17:43:41] <takyon> I somehow don't think "hiring lawyers" will be received as a fun stretch goal option
[17:43:57] <janrinok> not fun but better safe than sorry
[17:44:03] <takyon> if it comes right down to it an extra $500 could be used to... migrate to Russia
[17:44:11] <Yog-Yogguth> mrcoolbp: yeah I saw a little about it *thumbs up*
[17:44:12] <Bytram> yeah, I was wondering about that wording... how about 'having a lawyer on retainer'
[17:44:17] <cmn32480> unless they take themselves off the internet
[17:44:22] <mrcoolbp> takyon: not Hiring them per say, just having the money to do so in case we need
[17:44:33] <mrcoolbp> Yog-Yogguth: <3
[17:45:39] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: agreed
[17:45:55] <Bytram> I thnk the term is 'on retainer' but could be way off base on that.
[17:46:01] <janrinok> I agree with takyon that this might attract more stories, but cmn32480 makes a good point. Without more editors those stories are going nowhere.
[17:46:09] * Bytram has, thankfully, not had much experience with lawyers in this realm
[17:46:17] <cmn32480> on retainer means we have given them money adn user their services as needed until the $$ rusn out
[17:46:29] <Yog-Yogguth> I'll leave you guys to it, maybe go start my next submission (after some food), cya all :)
[17:46:30] <Bytram> k
[17:46:33] <janrinok> and I don't think that giving raw stories or unchecked subs access to the front page is a very good idea ...
[17:46:41] <Bytram> ^^ agreed
[17:46:43] -!- Yog-Yogguth [Yog-Yogguth!~Yog-Yoggu@02.61-660-88.nextgentel.com] has parted #editorial
[17:46:44] <mrcoolbp> Yog-Yugguth: cool, thanks, catch you later
[17:46:46] <janrinok> bye Yog - I'm in it now
[17:46:47] <cmn32480> ^^agreed
[17:46:48] <mrcoolbp> damn
[17:47:01] <Bytram> .me waves at Yogi
[17:47:01] <cmn32480> he's a good guy
[17:47:05] <mrcoolbp> yah
[17:47:06] <Bytram> yuppers
[17:47:27] <mrcoolbp> Guys, shall we fast-forward the story and go live with the new progress bars?
[17:47:35] <mrcoolbp> I'd rather they go up at the same time
[17:47:46] <Bytram> any further thoughts on the phrasing about lawyers
[17:47:51] <mrcoolbp> ^^^
[17:48:07] * Bytram takes one more look
[17:48:24] <cmn32480> have some money in the bank in case of need for hiring a lawyer
[17:48:35] <cmn32480> or somethign liek that
[17:48:37] <Bytram> heh! maybe add a link to the subscribe page to the story
[17:48:55] <cmn32480> we all missed that...
[17:48:56] <janrinok> I think the lawyers bit is fine - it finishes with if 'such a situation arises'. No point in paying for something we don't need.
[17:49:06] <Bytram> yeah
[17:49:08] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: and/or the "Why Sub" page
[17:49:18] <Bytram> exceleent idea
[17:49:30] <Bytram> linky
[17:49:32] <Bytram> ?
[17:49:52] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[17:49:53] <knack> ^ 03subscribe
[17:50:02] <mrcoolbp> https://soylentnews.org
[17:50:02] <knack> ^ 03SoylentNews: FAQ
[17:50:03] <mrcoolbp> dman
[17:50:12] <mrcoolbp> er
[17:50:14] <mrcoolbp> nm
[17:50:25] <cmn32480> perhaps this as well:
[17:50:26] <cmn32480> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[17:50:27] <knack> ^ 03Wiki: SoylentNews ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[17:50:48] <cmn32480> how to get involved shoudl they want to volunteer. IMHO that shoudl be in every Meta story that runs
[17:50:50] <mrcoolbp> or this: https://soylentnews.org
[17:50:51] <knack> ^ 03SoylentNews: FAQ
[17:50:53] <mrcoolbp> lol
[17:50:59] <mrcoolbp> moar linkz!
[17:56:23] <Bytram> i haz added a few
[17:57:15] <mrcoolbp> methinks you didn't click update
[17:57:39] <Bytram> thas right... found somethin else
[18:00:10] <janrinok> have you clicked it yet?
[18:00:23] <mrcoolbp> suspense is killing us
[18:00:24] * Bytram *just* clicked update
[18:00:54] <janrinok> ctrl-F5 - still can't see any changes
[18:01:08] <Bytram> hmmm?
[18:01:38] <janrinok> I'll give another 30secs or so
[18:02:01] <Bytram> ooops one more minor change
[18:02:45] * Bytram struck the word 'already' from first sentence
[18:03:28] <janrinok> Bytram: 4th para, staff. should be staff,
[18:04:02] <Bytram> nodnod
[18:04:27] <Bytram> I'll fix it.
[18:04:47] -!- exec has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
[18:05:25] * Bytram moved 'staff' inside the &mdash; phrase
[18:05:37] * Bytram clicks update
[18:05:50] <Bytram> okay, I need a short break; back in a few minutes
[18:08:39] <Bytram> quik thot; add in someplace: and supported us by <a href="http://www.zazzle.com/soylentnews*">buying SoylentNews swag</a>
[18:08:45] <knack> ^ 03SoylentNews: Home | Zazzle.com Store
[18:11:45] <mrcoolbp> we don't really advertize that much these days, it was more of an interim measure before we got subs working, I think most people would rather their cash go to us (not zazzle)
[18:12:09] <mrcoolbp> Also we've earned a total of $175 the entire time it's been up
[18:12:17] <mrcoolbp> soooo not a huge revenue stream
[18:13:16] <Bytram> understood, but my thoughts were that, if someone were to want to help out in that way, instead, we might as well make it easy for them to do so. Your call.
[18:13:29] <Bytram> they take credit cards, right?
[18:13:56] * Bytram goes to prepare the new site news text box
[18:14:52] <janrinok> Bytram: that looks good to me now. thx
[18:15:01] <Bytram> glad you like it
[18:15:47] <Bytram> and I found a minor problem in the site news box, he had hard-coded http in there... should use just // and inherit whatever scheme was used to access that page. don't want to kick people out of https
[18:16:05] <Bytram> oh, wait.
[18:16:13] <Bytram> ISTR that our wiki is http-only?
[18:16:24] <mrcoolbp> story goes live in 15 minutes, I'll have the "progress bar" code from dev ready to deploy at the right time on prod at the right moment
[18:16:30] <mrcoolbp> bytram: not sure
[18:16:37] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: I'm already on trhat.
[18:16:48] * Bytram is testing this atm
[18:16:49] <mrcoolbp> oh okay, all yours then
[18:16:54] <Bytram> kewel
[18:17:17] * janrinok stands by to point at Bytram when it all goes wrong
[18:17:27] * Bytram smiles with an evil grin
[18:17:44] <mrcoolbp> bytram: https works only if you manually accepted our cert....so not really
[18:17:47] * janrinok will swear that both mrcoolbp and himself told Bytram not to do it
[18:17:48] <cmn32480> janrinok - when testing on dev, it did actually work with no major breakage
[18:17:59] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: er not at all, scratch that
[18:18:13] <Bytram> k
[18:18:24] <Bytram> so, leave it as http-only for our wiki. got it.
[18:18:29] <janrinok> cmn32480: I have few pleasures in life, please don't spoil my few seconds of happiness
[18:18:46] <cmn32480> he breaks stuff... I spoil a good time.
[18:18:55] <cmn32480> ask my wife... she'll back me up!
[18:19:04] <janrinok> yep, and I herd cats ...
[18:19:09] <cmn32480> meow
[18:19:12] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: FYI somebody update the site news with the Reboot Schedule
[18:19:19] <mrcoolbp> updated*
[18:19:28] * Bytram just updated the link on dev to point to the pending story on prod
[18:19:36] <Bytram> will do
[18:19:54] <mrcoolbp> ?
[18:20:19] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: I'm saying it looks like someone added that in already, not sure when (i didn't see it earlier) I didn't want you to loose it
[18:20:20] <Bytram> I'll merge the reboot schedule stuff in with the new stretch goal stuff in the site_news block
[18:20:20] <cmn32480> mrcoolbp - bytram did that update a few days back, and has been updating the story as needed after each round of rreboots
[18:20:36] <mrcoolbp> oh okay not sure how I missed that in the Site NEws
[18:20:42] <mrcoolbp> ignore me then
[18:20:45] <Bytram> but, if you had not mentioned it, now, I'd have forgotten it. thanks for the heads up!
[18:20:50] <mrcoolbp> np
[18:20:59] <Bytram> link to story seems to work okay.
[18:21:05] <mrcoolbp> agree
[18:21:24] <mrcoolbp> bytram are you ready for deploy?
[18:21:27] <Bytram> not yet
[18:21:35] <Bytram> give me a couple three minutes
[18:21:43] <mrcoolbp> cool
[18:21:45] <janrinok> who wrote the new subscription bar code? Who has QA'd it. I thought the same person couldn't do both? :)))
[18:21:51] <Bytram> story can go live without updated site-news anyway
[18:22:07] <mrcoolbp> sure
[18:22:17] <Bytram> janrinok: take a look in #qa there were many hands validating it
[18:22:20] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: takyon helped Btram
[18:22:31] <janrinok> now you are spoiling all my fun too
[18:22:32] <mrcoolbp> also I ACKED it visually
[18:22:38] <mrcoolbp> (not the code tho)
[18:22:43] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: = P
[18:23:39] <cmn32480> that si what happens when you go eat dinner janrinok
[18:23:46] <cmn32480> and mrcoolbp fired me
[18:23:52] <janrinok> lol
[18:23:53] <cmn32480> off toward voyager
[18:24:02] <mrcoolbp> are you there yet?
[18:24:15] <cmn32480> nope.... but there is a lot less air resistance out here
[18:24:33] <mrcoolbp> I hope I packed enough O2 for you
[18:24:49] <cmn32480> me too
[18:24:53] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: you are getting soft on your day off
[18:25:00] <mrcoolbp> aye
[18:25:57] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: do you have any new numbers for the graph? I see numbers are as of 10/16
[18:26:14] <mrcoolbp> bytram: 30 seconds
[18:26:17] <Bytram> k
[18:26:56] <cmn32480> given the situation... I'm kinda glad he is getting soft... makes me breath a little easier!
[18:27:02] <Bytram> I see another $40 came in $20 on 10/19 and $20 on 10/21
[18:27:27] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: $2000 + $367 (100% + 18%)
[18:27:45] <Bytram> k
[18:27:46] <mrcoolbp> (after payapal fees in case you are wondering the discrepency)
[18:27:59] <Bytram> so 18%
[18:28:03] <Bytram> oh, doh
[18:28:08] <Bytram> at least we agree!
[18:29:15] * Bytram is a little bit nervous
[18:29:32] <mrcoolbp> yah
[18:29:36] <mrcoolbp> no worries man
[18:30:03] <Bytram> I've got the changes ready to send out for site_news but there's no real way to test it out except to pull the trigger...
[18:30:10] <mrcoolbp> DO IT!
[18:30:17] <janrinok> DO IT!
[18:30:21] <cmn32480> DO IT!
[18:30:22] <Bytram> I have an idea.
[18:30:26] <mrcoolbp> sigh
[18:30:27] <janrinok> DON'T DO IT
[18:30:29] <mrcoolbp> lol
[18:30:37] * cmn32480 chokes
[18:30:41] <mrcoolbp> story is live btw (no pressure)
[18:31:02] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: could you please open up the site_news block on your side and do a select-all / copy and let me know when you have done so?
[18:31:08] <mrcoolbp> yup
[18:31:18] <Bytram> that way, if there's an issue, you can put things right back as they were.
[18:31:30] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: all set
[18:31:53] <Bytram> k
[18:32:14] * Bytram winces and hits save block
[18:32:23] <mrcoolbp> looks good
[18:32:30] * cmn32480 madly hits refresh
[18:32:50] <cmn32480> very nice
[18:32:51] * Bytram double checks link to base funding goal
[18:32:52] <janrinok> yep looks good in Europe
[18:32:58] <Bytram> is good
[18:33:07] <Bytram> such good eyes you have!
[18:33:13] <mrcoolbp> yay nice work everyone
[18:33:20] <janrinok> ... but it is not in Euros ...
[18:33:20] <cmn32480> teamwork++
[18:33:20] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 35
[18:33:21] <Bytram> teamwork++
[18:33:21] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 36
[18:33:28] <cmn32480> ninja'd!
[18:33:31] * mrcoolbp fires janrinok of too jupiter
[18:33:32] <cmn32480> bytram++
[18:33:33] <Bender> karma - bytram: 20
[18:33:44] * janrinok whheeeeeeee
[18:33:52] <Bytram> takyon++ Needed the help dealing with the css
[18:33:52] <Bender> karma - takyon: 10
[18:33:54] * mrcoolbp realizes his typo and realizes it still works kinda
[18:33:58] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[18:33:58] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 17
[18:34:01] <Bytram> mrcoolbp++
[18:34:01] <Bender> karma - mrcoolbp: 11
[18:34:04] <Bytram> janrinok++
[18:34:04] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 38
[18:34:27] <janrinok> damn, all I did was giggle, and I've got a karma of 38!
[18:34:47] <Bytram> no problem, I can fix that!
[18:34:49] <Bytram> janrinok--
[18:34:49] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 37
[18:34:50] <Bytram> =)
[18:35:08] <mrcoolbp> rofl
[18:35:11] * janrinok is just passing the moon but slowing down slightly
[18:35:52] * janrinok still looking in his schoolboy atlas for the route to Jupiter
[18:36:14] <cmn32480> 3rd star to the left adn straight on 'till morning
[18:36:22] <mrcoolbp> hah
[18:36:42] <janrinok> ... it's a very old atlas, I'm not sure we had found Jupiter when it was printed
[18:38:16] <mrcoolbp> how old are you!?!?!
[18:38:29] <mrcoolbp> .op janrinok
[18:38:29] -!- mode/#editorial [+o janrinok] by SkyNet
[18:38:30] <janrinok> very very old
[18:38:33] <mrcoolbp> = P
[18:38:49] <cmn32480> I have trod upon dirt that is younger than he!
[18:39:14] <cmn32480> it's true.
[18:39:54] <cmn32480> in HAwaii, near the volcanos... the rock had gotten there about 12 years before I went.
[18:39:59] <janrinok> this has been a wicked chan for the last 24 hours in particular
[18:40:21] <janrinok> is that technically 'dirt' - I don't know
[18:40:25] <mrcoolbp> he would know, he's been around a long time
[18:40:45] <cmn32480> it has been rather busy in here the last 24hrs or so
[18:40:54] <cmn32480> we ahve been going at it hammer and tongs
[18:50:17] * Bytram 2nds the Vanishing Haystacks story and pushes out his 1000th story... fittingly about the largest ever astronomical photo -- of the Wilky Way
[18:50:28] * Bytram now wants a really big candy bar!
[18:50:41] <cmn32480> perhaps you mean the Milky Way?
[18:51:15] <Bytram> I way have.
[18:51:17] <Bytram> ;)
[18:51:23] <janrinok> nah, Wilky May is a girl who lives near Bytram - she is really huge
[18:51:39] <Bytram> EE-asy there, buddy.
[18:51:54] <Bytram> then again, she May not.
[18:52:03] <cmn32480> that woudl be a little more than a handful
[18:52:14] <janrinok> more like a barrow full
[18:52:22] <cmn32480> aye
[18:52:32] <Bytram> http://www.sciencedaily.com
[18:52:33] <knack> ^ 03Astronomers catch a black hole shredding a star to pieces: Scientists contribute to observation of closest tidal disruption in nearly a decade -- ScienceDaily
[18:52:34] <cmn32480> and we ahve our first comment...
[18:52:48] <Bytram> http://www.sciencedaily.com
[18:52:49] <knack> ^ 03Cosmic 'Death Star' is destroying a planet -- ScienceDaily
[18:52:52] <janrinok> I've stopped doing clever things for today - I'm now just surfing for fun
[18:52:54] <cmn32480> "Paypal sucks"
[18:53:25] <mrcoolbp> yup, gladded I pre-empted that comment
[18:53:44] <cmn32480> uh huh!
[18:53:54] <cmn32480> do we make more off Stripe than Paypal?
[18:54:04] <cmn32480> as far as the fees, etc.
[18:54:05] <mrcoolbp> not sure yet, let's go look at the rates
[18:54:24] <cmn32480> 2.9%+$0.30 for stripe
[18:54:26] <mrcoolbp> hmm, looks similar actually
[18:55:09] <mrcoolbp> paypal: 2.9% + $0.30 per transaction
[18:55:13] <mrcoolbp> so exactly the same
[18:55:33] <Bytram> good to know!
[18:55:37] <cmn32480> we are jsut hoping it doesn't suck as bad as paypal
[18:55:47] * Bytram needs to get some lunch and a nap
[18:55:52] <Bytram> fun working with you all
[18:56:03] <cmn32480> sweet drams Bytram
[18:56:05] <mrcoolbp> thanks Bytram!
[18:56:07] Bytram is now known as Bytram|afk
[18:56:10] <cmn32480> great job, my friend
[18:56:14] <janrinok> bye Bytram|afk
[18:56:48] <Bytram|afk> yowza! What a group -- I'm so fortunate to have gotten involved with this site -- you're the best!
[18:57:28] <janrinok> you take care buddy
[18:58:19] <Bytram|afk> will do; you too! give my best to S
[18:58:23] <Bytram|afk> cmn32480: and you to J
[18:58:29] <cmn32480> ZI will, sir!
[18:58:32] <Bytram|afk> and now me to food and bed.
[18:58:33] <janrinok> thx will do
[18:58:46] <Bytram|afk> http://phys.org
[18:58:47] <knack> ^ 03Physicists experimentally realize a quantum Hilbert hotel
[18:59:01] <Bytram|afk> there's an infinite number of rooms in there!
[18:59:20] <janrinok> until you need a bed
[18:59:36] <cmn32480> youi can check out any time you like... but you can never leave
[18:59:54] <janrinok> welcome to the Hotel California...
[19:00:43] <Bytram|afk> http://phys.org
[19:00:44] <knack> ^ 03After 100 years, Einstein's theory stands test of time ( http://phys.org )
[19:01:20] <cmn32480> he eats and naps funnier than anybody I ever seen
[19:01:40] <janrinok> yep#
[19:01:53] <janrinok> sry - random # crept in there
[19:02:08] <cmn32480> yep#
[19:02:21] <cmn32480> my # was on purpose!
[19:02:36] <janrinok> on a porpoise?
[19:03:45] <cmn32480> dolphinetly
[19:04:32] <janrinok> v good - I like that
[19:04:40] <cmn32480> I try.
[19:04:52] <cmn32480> I had a whale of a time thinking of it though
[19:05:31] <janrinok> you must be squidding!
[19:05:56] <cmn32480> nope! but there is somethign fishy about this
[19:05:58] <janrinok> well, I hake to break this to you, but it was a load of cods-wallop
[19:06:11] <cmn32480> don't you get crabby on me
[19:06:42] <janrinok> get off your high perch
[19:07:25] <janrinok> I'll net have you talking like that
[19:08:08] <cmn32480> you are really being a bass-tard about this
[19:08:15] <janrinok> lol
[19:08:37] <janrinok> flexing your mussels now, eh?
[19:08:43] <cmn32480> i'll make you tuna around and march right on home!
[19:08:58] <janrinok> I'll kick you in the barnacles
[19:09:29] <janrinok> unless your threat was really a red herring
[19:09:57] <cmn32480> I may just clam up after that one
[19:10:07] <cmn32480> but you are just being shellfish
[19:10:23] <janrinok> clear off, you little shrimp
[19:10:48] <cmn32480> thinking you are the big fish in a little pnd eh?
[19:11:28] <janrinok> you rise to the bait every time
[19:11:34] <janrinok> hook, line and sinker
[19:11:41] <cmn32480> ninja'd
[19:12:06] <cmn32480> very gull-ible you are
[19:12:32] <janrinok> I've got to go soon, but I'll be back to make you eat crow
[19:12:51] * cmn32480 runs for the hills
[19:13:07] * janrinok retreats the other direction
[19:14:09] <janrinok> S spent the afternoon watching the BTTF trilogy on TV
[19:14:20] <cmn32480> lucky her...
[19:14:34] <cmn32480> I spent the afternoon with you nutjobs
[19:14:37] <janrinok> liked the first and last
[19:14:44] <cmn32480> she'd never seen it?
[19:15:00] <janrinok> but we are a special bunch of nutjobs - no, she had only seen the first one
[19:15:02] <cmn32480> BFFT 2 was not as good as the others
[19:18:08] <janrinok> time to be on my way - give my best to J, and I hope you have a pleasant evening
[19:18:17] <cmn32480> my best to S, janrinok
[19:18:20] <cmn32480> have a good night
[19:18:25] <janrinok> bye
[19:18:37] <mrcoolbp> later!
[19:18:41] <mrcoolbp> lol: https://soylentnews.org
[19:18:42] <knack> ^ 03SN comment by [02Anonymous Coward] (02Score:0)
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[23:35:12] <nick> well, i said content creating this afternoon
[23:35:32] <nick> its now gone midnight and i'm finally getting to it, after being furious that someone ate my last cookie