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[19:03:15] <nick> it would be nice if the AC who submitted the evernote story decides contributes more
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[18:57:16] <janrinok> gtg - see you guys tomorrow
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[18:23:58] <janrinok> I carry my own desktop and spares etc
[18:23:40] <janrinok> if their computer is dead, as long as they have a working ISP connection, I can get started
[18:23:05] <janrinok> it's mainly got reference material and specific software packages - some of which I have written myself - so that I can fix problems in other people's computers
[18:22:30] <nick> i didnt expect you to, but you never know :p
[18:22:15] <nick> lol
[18:21:48] <janrinok> no, I don't need a vps - my server is quite happy running on a P4!
[18:21:13] <nick> i think it will be slightly cheaper
[18:21:03] <nick> probably linode
[18:20:59] <nick> if youre looking for a linux vps, as i say in my question, i'm looking at migrating to linode or gandi
[18:19:49] <nick> the linux ones are £10+VAT/month
[18:19:48] <janrinok> yes, I read that
[18:19:36] <nick> cmn did a good reply to a comment explaining that for certain industries not being on windows just isnt an option
[18:18:43] <janrinok> incidentally, roughly how much do you pay for your VPN?
[18:17:59] <janrinok> well, I can see their point too, but if you have to run Windows then you are stuck with it.
[18:17:03] <nick> and those who do it all, are the 'stop using windows' crowd
[18:16:42] <janrinok> which is not too surprising I suppose
[18:16:22] <nick> deal with whatever the employer gives them, dont know specifics on the providers often
[18:16:03] <nick> but im guessing also, most people dont have direct experience in that way
[18:13:53] <janrinok> understood
[18:13:42] <nick> 'stay away from x' at all costs
[18:13:26] <nick> i was hoping for more "i had a vps with x, they sucked because z" "i had a vps with y, they are great because z"
[18:12:14] <janrinok> but I still get the feeling you were rather hoping for something more?
[18:11:45] <nick> so overall, it worked
[18:11:35] <nick> it gave me a few things to think about, and pointed me in the direction of some other providers
[18:11:06] <janrinok> I can't think of any other alternatives at the moment
[18:10:29] <nick> -#
[18:10:27] <nick> but i appreciate that was asking a lot from a community with people who like to come up with new solutions :D#
[18:10:13] <nick> i appreciate your thoughts on it, my hope was more for first-hand experience of providers, rather than new solutions.
[18:09:22] <janrinok> understood
[18:09:08] <nick> nothing about the situation is perfect, i'm trying to keep the business partner happy whilst also making it worthwhile generally
[18:08:27] <nick> essentially not much is going to change, except the in-house server will be a client server rather than a hub, if you know what i mean
[18:07:39] <nick> currently i access the in-house through a VPN
[18:07:33] <janrinok> not much I can offer in the way of helpful advice then
[18:07:12] <janrinok> they bounce of the household router in all but 1 case and the linux box stopped that one dead
[18:06:54] <nick> by the end of this, we will have 4 or 5 linux vps, the in house server, an off-site remote backup and a windows vps
[18:06:42] <janrinok> I run my own server here, and access it using dyndns when I am away from home. The normal household router provides the first level of protection and a linux machine running windows in a VMS the second. Touch wood - so far had no successful attacks
[18:06:32] <nick> i'm pretty sure there's no other route that will really work, currently in the big picture, we have 2 linux VPS and the in-house widows server
[18:05:15] <janrinok> understood. I'm just trying to think of alternatives
[18:04:58] <nick> as i explained to cmn32480 yesterday, it's more a general infrastructure shift to deal with new projects and parts of the business
[18:04:47] <janrinok> because you could have a stand-alone for remote access, that you update say once a day manually, and that would protect your network
[18:03:51] <nick> read-only 99% of the time but it's mostly about flexibility
[18:03:40] <janrinok> I'm sure he has his strengths, otherwise you wouldn't be working together
[18:02:51] <nick> he's a non-techie techie
[18:02:50] <janrinok> is the db that you need to access remotely just for read-only, or do you need to update it from outside connections too?
[18:01:54] <nick> but he feels better about it
[18:01:50] <janrinok> but I understand your position better now
[18:01:44] <nick> i tried to explain how it's no different
[18:01:39] <nick> but i wont go there
[18:01:33] <nick> yeah
[18:01:29] <janrinok> which will be connectable from the network :)
[18:01:15] <nick> not for much, but we need the flexibility with it
[18:01:02] <nick> but in the end, we do need an off-site windows server
[18:00:48] <nick> but it's his default paranoia
[18:00:40] <janrinok> ah. there is the problem
[18:00:39] <nick> nearly all of that is bullshit that ive tried to explain
[18:00:31] <nick> another element is my business partner does not like the idea of the office LAN being connectable from outside the network
[18:00:28] <janrinok> it occurs to me that you might be better off investing in a good connection, and buying a stand-by power supply (one-off cost) and, if necessary, some tech help to set it up (also a 1-off cost)
[17:58:56] <nick> there were good comments, ones that might be useful to someone in the future doing some research
[17:58:14] <nick> its twiddling its thumbs mostly, but its the unreliable internet connections, among other things means its no really reliable off-site
[17:46:07] <janrinok> nick: Regarding your Answers, what load do you place on your in-house Windows Server? Is it struggling to keep up with the demand or sat twiddling its figurative thumbs for most of the time?
[17:38:30] <janrinok> although some I thought were very good advice
[17:37:51] <janrinok> not terribly helpful comments
[17:01:36] <nick> slightly frustrated by the various 'stop using windows' comments on my ask soylent
[16:47:00] <nick> but ok i guess
[16:46:55] <nick> blah, not feeling super fantastic today
[16:44:12] <janrinok> not bad, yourself?
[16:44:00] <nick> how goes?
[16:43:57] <nick> hey janrinok
[16:38:30] <janrinok> nick: hi
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[14:42:52] <janrinok> bye*
[14:42:47] <janrinok> by Bytram, have a good one
[14:40:40] <Bytram> afk
[14:40:37] <Bytram> laters.
[14:40:34] <Bytram> thanks for the chat and sharing from your wealth of knowledge!
[14:40:19] <Bytram> but, for now, I should get cleaned up and out about my day.
[14:40:09] * Bytram should really fire up the system rescue CD again and make a current image of his system.
[14:40:03] <janrinok> brb
[14:39:34] <Bytram> yup.
[14:39:17] <janrinok> Yep, I've done that sort of thing. Lots of fun until 10 minutes afterwards when you realise what _could_ have happened...
[14:39:00] <Bytram> best wishes to her and to you!
[14:38:48] <Bytram> and give her a BIG one for me, too!
[14:38:38] <Bytram> was from an OLD burroughs mainframe power supply
[14:38:18] <janrinok> Got news this morning that S has to go into hospital early Nov for a few weeks. Not sure whether that will give me more free time or less. She sends you a {{}}
[14:38:12] * Bytram once hooked up a 3-fahrad 'can' to 120V mains power -- boom!
[14:37:37] <Bytram> induced smoke emanations can be fun.
[14:37:13] <Bytram> lol
[14:36:55] <janrinok> I think I caught some magic smoke in a plastic bag, but when I looked several days later it couldn't be seen :)
[14:36:20] * Bytram has seen it -- bad news all around.
[14:36:07] <janrinok> and if the magic smoke escapes ....
[14:36:06] <Bytram> yuppers
[14:36:00] * Bytram wonders how much of that is dependent on the *size* of the firms?
[14:35:55] <janrinok> it should last you a while but, like any technology, could go 'pfft' at any time
[14:35:35] <systemd> ^ 03Quarter of firms can't tell how hackers get in | ITworld ( http://www.itworld.com )
[14:35:33] <Bytram> http://www.itworld.com
[14:35:28] <Bytram> that's what I had heard... thanks for the confirmation!
[14:34:57] <janrinok> Yes, I've been following your conversations on here :) They have a good reputation
[14:34:19] <sedctl> <Bytram> I've got a Dell Latitude, now, which are the Business-flavored line of their machines and known for serviceability, but I've not looked into what it would take to do a disk swap.
[14:34:19] <Bytram> s/version/line/
[14:34:17] <janrinok> never use a laptop, I tend to travel by vehicle and I have a desktop and major toolkit with me whenever I travel
[14:34:10] <Bytram> I've got a Dell Latitude, now, which are the Business-flavored version of their machines and known for serviceability, but I've not looked into what it would take to do a disk swap.
[14:33:30] <janrinok> yep, I have a very old lappy but even your old machine would make it look s l o w
[14:32:59] <Bytram> desktops?
[14:32:47] <janrinok> each machine (well most of them) are full disk encryption, and each has a drive copy as backup. If I have a problem, I actually switch disks
[14:32:46] <Bytram> basically, per-program customizations
[14:32:24] <Bytram> and I lost out on things such as words I had added to Pale Moon's spell checker.
[14:31:48] <Bytram> thanks to consistent practices that I employed when building up my old lappy, it was relatively easy to get things running on my new box, but I'd rather not have to go through all THAT again!
[14:31:19] <janrinok> First World Problems - heheh
[14:30:56] <Bytram> but if you don't try it, and it fails, then you're even *more* SOL!
[14:30:50] <janrinok> true. I've also got 2 x Raspberry Pi's, I am very impressed with them.
[14:30:16] <Bytram> if the backup fails, you're SOL
[14:30:06] <Bytram> here's an idea for a story: how, if you have ONLY ONE MACHINE, do you test your backups?
[14:30:00] <janrinok> I've done that a few times and decided I can risk an old machine but not my everyday boxes
[14:29:37] <Bytram> I *so* understand!
[14:29:22] <janrinok> I have the PC-BSD for my own learning purposes, a machine in the guest's accommodation, and a couple that I use for experimenation so that I don't kill something important if I screw up!
[14:29:03] <Bytram> =)
[14:29:02] <Bytram> some are not good enough to use atm, but they are still too good to throw away!
[14:28:32] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:28:27] <Bytram> *e400i3 celerons at 400MHz, IIRC
[14:28:13] <janrinok> I have a server which runs 24/7, S has her own machine, I have 2 main machines which I am on now.
[14:27:57] * Bytram looks at his 3 eMachines e400i boxes.
[14:27:25] * Bytram looks around his room and see that he, too has 8 machines, but only 3 of which have been used in the past three months -- the others are all mothballed
[14:27:11] <janrinok> we update to latest ubuntu every 6 months or so, but not immediately that each update is released, - or I think that is what we do
[14:26:33] <janrinok> Most of them are thrown away by others. I still have 2 x 32bit machines
[14:26:28] <Bytram> so, excellent point.
[14:26:18] <Bytram> ISTR we are running (some flavor of) ubuntu on the servers though there may still be a stray centos box, IIRC
[14:26:07] <janrinok> you might find that it passes the test on your machine but not on the SN servers or vice-versa
[14:25:45] <Bytram> 8 machines? /me boggles at the thought
[14:25:35] <janrinok> I don't know if that would have any affect on SN/Git code - I doubt it, but you really would want to be using the same, or at least compatible, OS as the one you are supporting
[14:25:23] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:25:22] <Bytram> back front and center!
[14:24:08] <janrinok> I have 8 machines, only 1 of which is PC-BSD. I'm not going to reconfigure the other 7 just to suit PC-BSD - which is built on FreeBSD
[14:23:29] <janrinok> there are also several other relatively minor differences. Several CLI commands work slightly differently, making easy sharing of scripts harder than I would have liked.
[14:22:25] <janrinok> I could send stuff over the network no problem, but I couldn't plug in one of my (many) 1TB encrypted drives
[14:21:44] <janrinok> It made working between the two impossible.
[14:21:16] <janrinok> I use PC-BSD on one machine, and it works fine. There are several gotchas, inasmuch that I have masses of encrypted data backup. PC-BSD and Linux have 2 very good, but incompatible, full disk encryption tools.
[14:19:40] <janrinok> Unity has 'Lenses' and various other automated tools, and it was they that were doing the submissions. That is part of the Desktop, and not part of the underlying OS. You can build MATE from the server version (which is minimal) and add only the bits that you want
[14:19:36] <Bytram> nature calls; biab
[14:19:26] <Bytram> for this particular use case, I'm looking for a small/lightweight VM that I can run git from.
[14:18:39] <Bytram> have you any experience with freebsd?
[14:18:18] <Bytram> k
[14:18:13] <Bytram> otoh, their stopping was not for altruistic reasons, so I'd very well suspect that they might try it again in the future under some different guise.
[14:18:12] <janrinok> the only searching that MATE does is whatever you do in your browser - and that is the same for any other OS too
[14:17:26] <Bytram> so good to hear!
[14:17:16] <Bytram> load a 'meta' web page which reads from the log of the #rss-bot feed and allows selection and maniputlation/submission from there.
[14:17:11] <janrinok> MS are collecting info for various nefarious groups, Canonical were trying to make money. They risked losing too many of their community and saw commonsense
[14:16:45] <Bytram> OR....
[14:16:43] <Bytram> my dream would be to have a FF/PM addon that one could invoke when looking at a story and think to yourself, Hmmm, I should submit this.
[14:16:16] <janrinok> verified - linux users are a mistrustful lot, like that
[14:16:05] <Bytram> nice
[14:15:58] <Bytram> has that been verified with, say, wireshark/ Or is it just that their toggles all stay consistent while it still mines for user info?
[14:15:37] <janrinok> I use the CLI a lot too, but I'm trying to write a program that will enable anyone to collect, edit and submit good stories to SN
[14:15:26] * Bytram dons tinfoil hat
[14:14:51] <janrinok> even canonical have made the Unity desktop more controllable by the user - you can disable the search data submissions and, unlike MS, they stay disabled
[14:14:35] * Bytram waits for the obvious counterexample =)
[14:14:17] <Bytram> configuring software, otoh, give me a CLI any day.
[14:13:57] <Bytram> right tool for the job.
[14:13:54] <Bytram> but story management is a constant one-off type thing and would not lend itself to scripting.
[14:13:38] <janrinok> noted :)
[14:13:29] <Bytram> pun intended!
[14:13:21] <Bytram> good point
[14:13:12] <Bytram> hourglass, etc.
[14:13:05] <janrinok> but, for me, trying to manage 500+ stories is impossible from the command line
[14:13:01] <Bytram> simple, solid colors suffice for me; no need for animations, either, well except maybe for cursor animations
[14:12:31] <Bytram> I'm a CLI guy at heart; it's a lot easier to script things that way; but I do appreciate a GUI for discoverability. OTOH, I don't need or want all the 'shiny' aero-type stuff, for example.
[14:12:28] <janrinok> by 2019, systemd will have either become ubiquitous or removed completely
[14:12:01] <janrinok> Ubuntu MATE 14.04 is supported until 2019 and is systemd free too
[14:11:43] <Bytram> great!
[14:11:33] <janrinok> MATE doesn't use the same search software and it is one of the reasons that they don't!
[14:11:27] <Bytram> oh? nice!
[14:11:11] <janrinok> that is not included in MATE
[14:11:04] <sedctl> <Bytram> It's only after I D/Led it and launched it that I remembered how canonical was trying to, well, commercialize it by sendinbg all your desktop search stuff to their(?) servers, too.
[14:11:04] <Bytram> s/if/it/
[14:10:49] <Bytram> It's only after I D/Led it and launched it that I remembered how canonical was trying to, well, commercialize if by sendinbg all your desktop search stuff to their(?) servers, too.
[14:10:37] <janrinok> Linux Mint has a strong following, but are you trying to avoid Ubuntu for any particular reason?
[14:10:04] <Bytram> if you've got a few minutes, was wondering what your thoughts were for an os other than Ubuntu mate...
[14:09:28] <janrinok> k
[14:09:16] <Bytram> yes, it is.
[14:09:14] <Bytram> well, it's not a dead parrot!
[14:08:49] <janrinok> you mean the story that is already live?
[14:08:25] * Bytram saves updates to THz story
[14:07:36] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:06:41] <janrinok> I'm sure there is a movie in there somewhere ...
[14:06:21] <Bytram> iz kinda hard to walk when one is tethered, too!
[14:05:55] <janrinok> I'm just throwing ideas around. They said 'a man cannot talk and be tethered' - Bytram proved them right!
[14:04:43] <janrinok> As long as TFS stands on its own, our community can go read all the details from the original site if they wish
[14:04:43] <Bytram> I'd not do that to you!
[14:03:53] <janrinok> lol - np
[14:03:45] <Bytram> oh. had a phone call and cannot talk and tether at the same time. :/
[14:03:31] <Bytram> Again looking at the terahertz story, there is a link at the end of the pphys.org story to the journal article which P666 did not include.
[14:03:30] <janrinok> I thought that you were sulking ...
[14:03:04] <janrinok> ^^^ that's what I was saying earlier when you went all quiet on me ... ;)
[14:02:34] <Bytram> browser UI? that's news to me!
[14:02:07] <janrinok> my problem with Arthur is that it is getting so good at collecting stories that I now need an effective way of managing the material. Hence, the browser UI ...
[14:00:59] <Bytram> nodnod
[14:00:55] <Bytram> I generally view htose links as being, umm, gratuitous, and often remove them from stories we post or I submit.
[14:00:44] <janrinok> any links inside a phys.org story originating from phys.org are binned by Arthur
[14:00:07] <systemd> ^ 03Phys.org - terahertz radiation
[14:00:04] <Bytram> In the electromagnetic spectrum, <a href="http://phys.org/tags/terahertz+radiation/" rel="tag" class="textTag">terahertz radiation</a> lies between
[14:00:04] <janrinok> yes, Arthur strips those out automatically
[14:00:02] <Bytram> e.g.:
[13:59:45] <Bytram> OTOH, physi.rg tends to insert links to 'explanatory' pages on their own site.
[13:58:56] <Bytram> in the terrahertz story, e.g., in the original there is: "journal "<em>Nature Communications</em>"
[13:58:26] <janrinok> ah, OK, thx
[13:58:07] <sedctl> <Bytram> it looks like s/he does a drag-select across a bunch of text and pastes that in the submissions... tends to lose italics and HREFs
[13:58:07] <Bytram> s/dag/drag/
[13:58:00] <Bytram> it looks like s/he does a dag-select across a bunch of text and pastes that in the submissions... tends to lose italics and HREFs
[13:57:41] <janrinok> in what way
[13:57:29] <Bytram> btw, a heads up on P666 stories...
[13:57:16] <janrinok> far less stressful imho
[13:57:03] <janrinok> we are currently running more than 24 hours in advance
[13:56:54] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:56:39] <janrinok> story queue topped up for a while :)
[13:55:49] <janrinok> I'm not a fan of JS either
[13:53:43] <Bytram> javascript required site :/
[13:53:32] <Bytram> urk.
[13:53:24] <systemd> ^ 03Forbes Welcome ( http://www.forbes.com )
[13:53:24] <Bytram> http://www.forbes.com
[13:52:54] * Bytram trolls the interewebs
[13:52:33] <Bytram> WOW! and, nod nod.
[13:46:55] <janrinok> it's getting difficult to publish different viewpoints! :)
[13:46:17] <janrinok> Currently, all 18 submissions are from P666!
[13:19:18] <janrinok> so you are off to the cinema this afternoon - translation: movie-theatre
[13:17:46] <janrinok> browser!*
[13:17:39] <janrinok> make that brower-based...
[13:17:20] <janrinok> I'm working on providing a web-based UI for Arthur - I've never worked with HTML, CSS or cgi and it is a big learning experience for me
[13:16:11] <janrinok> but politics would need some other justification before it becomes print-worthy in my view. However, that is not policy
[13:16:04] <Bytram> and even then, I'm of two minds
[13:15:56] <Bytram> now, if we had a nexus for politics, I might think otherwise, but as things now stand... unless there's something like a frontrunner all-of-a-sudden dropping out like, say, hillary...
[13:15:36] <janrinok> yep, I know, but you get my point
[13:15:20] <Bytram> ostensibly, we are not a STEM-only site, but I share the viewpoint
[13:15:16] <janrinok> I'm still slim but have put a few pounds on my middle since retiring!
[13:15:02] <Bytram> I gained 10-15 lbs, and looked better, but it felt like I was carrying around a couple sacks of potatoes all day long and I just felt 'logey'
[13:14:30] <Bytram> I have always been, ummm, thin... except for one time I was put on some meds that cranked up my appetite...
[13:14:30] <janrinok> My own view is that there are plenty of other sites reporting politics, and unless it impacts on STEM etc it shouldn't be our role to repeat it
[13:13:53] <Bytram> not far off at all.
[13:13:38] <janrinok> I thought that was an oblique reference to your size!
[13:13:34] * Bytram was wondering who that was!
[13:13:25] <Bytram> OH!
[13:13:21] <Bytram> *waste ;)
[13:13:18] <janrinok> I wrote the first comment, (but forgot to initial it!)
[13:13:13] <Bytram> this is no waist
[13:13:00] <Bytram> for me, it's just opening pandora's box.
[13:12:58] <janrinok> Bytram: that is good news. Now don't go wasting them by spending all your time on here!
[13:12:46] <Bytram> so, you concur?
[13:12:38] <Bytram> had a good day at work yesterday and now have a couple days off *in a row*!
[13:12:34] <janrinok> Bytram: CoolHand: thanks for your comments against the Sanders story - I'll kill it in a while
[13:12:16] <Bytram> pretty good!
[13:11:53] <janrinok> good, and with you?
[13:10:09] <Bytram> how's things?
[13:09:57] <Bytram> janrinok: !!
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[13:04:35] <Bytram> yuppers
[13:02:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 31
[13:02:12] <CoolHand> coffee++
[13:02:10] <CoolHand> my fingers need more coffee for proper functioning...
[12:57:54] <CoolHand> haha
[12:57:53] <CoolHand> or it/I
[12:57:47] <CoolHand> I hate when it mis-type emoticons..
[12:57:35] <CoolHand> :)
[12:57:33] <CoolHand> yay teamwork :0
[12:55:22] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 32
[12:55:22] <Bytram> teamwork++
[12:55:17] <Bytram> thanks for following up, and for entering your view in the notes field.
[12:54:13] <CoolHand> (the first was that someone changed it back to display, but you had the last edit)
[12:53:59] <CoolHand> that was my 2nd thought
[12:52:03] * Bytram goes to look.
[12:52:00] <Bytram> hmmm, maybe I didn't hit update?
[12:51:40] <CoolHand> it was still showing as display for some reason, I 2nded your emotion, undisplayed it and pushed it back
[12:51:19] <CoolHand> Bytram:
[12:50:46] <Bytram> I've flagged the Bernie Sanders story (link just above) to not display. Please read my editor's note.
[12:50:14] <Bytram> how's things?
[12:50:11] <Bytram> CoolHand: sry... was afk
[12:42:35] <CoolHand> hello
[12:08:32] <systemd> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[12:08:31] * Bytram is looking at the Bernie Sanders story: https://soylentnews.org
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[10:48:36] <cmn32480> poll dancer
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[10:42:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> poll cat
[03:29:08] <cmn32480> actually.. that should be poll tree
[03:27:41] <cmn32480> poll try
[03:26:08] <cmn32480> poll tergeist
[03:25:13] <cmn32480> foreign poll icy
[03:24:51] <cmn32480> poll troon
[03:24:45] <cmn32480> poll itical
[03:24:32] <cmn32480> poll ish
[03:24:13] <Bytram|away> this time for sure!
[03:24:08] <Bytram|away> If anyone has any further idea on the poll question I suggested above, please post them here and mention the word poll so I can search for it.
[03:23:20] <cmn32480> stop telling me why... just do it!
[03:23:12] <cmn32480> then go!
[03:22:57] <Bytram|away> I stayed up too late last night, and have been dragging off and on throughout the day... need to get some sleep.
[03:22:07] <Bytram|away> cmn32480: and a very good night to you, as well!
[03:21:54] <cmn32480> night Bytram|away
[03:21:40] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:18:00] <Bytram> night Deucalion
[03:02:43] <cmn32480> night Deucalion
[03:02:34] * Deucalion checks out
[03:02:25] <Deucalion> So many voices in my head...
[03:01:35] * Deucalion breaks out of formation... this bird needs maintenance, have to tap out. Oh shit.... now I am going to tap out at the same time as TMB.... which makes me, TMB and EF all the same person by abstraction. I'm not sure TMB will like that, but maybe I can talk him down during our dozing off period.
[03:00:15] <Bytram> oh, Taz!
[03:00:08] <Bytram> any thoughts on the poll idea? Suggestions for different cartoon characers?
[02:58:04] <Bytram> deal!
[02:58:00] <Bytram> easy problem to solve... get a bigger freezer!
[02:57:51] <cmn32480> only 80%
[02:57:39] <cmn32480> nah.... i'M not that greedy
[02:57:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, took a day off in hopes i'll have enough freezer space by the time i go home.
[02:57:23] <Bytram> at a generous rate of 100% interest, i assume?
[02:57:13] <Deucalion> :D
[02:57:05] <Deucalion> I vote for NC as the the new CN replacement.... oh aren't those initials strangely close.... /me invests in tin
[02:57:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> in that case ima go to bed before he can break anything important
[02:57:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: good to see you my friend. How's the fishing?
[02:57:00] * cmn32480 is willing to lend his editorial paycheck to bytram
[02:56:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right then
[02:56:39] * Bytram is broke until the next paycheck. ;)
[02:56:35] <cmn32480> givr bytram a few minutes.. he jsut got here
[02:56:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, what's broke?
[02:56:06] <Bytram> if you could load an app on your phone to change your voice, which cartoon character would you choose? Yosemite Sam, Foghorn Leghorn, Bugs Bunny, Marvin the Martian, The Pink Panther, I'm a mute you insensitive clod, other - specify.
[02:55:29] <cmn32480> pj and TMB shoudl be in there someplace
[02:55:22] <cmn32480> you are right.
[02:55:10] <Deucalion> woah there!
[02:54:58] <cmn32480> Cowboy Neal
[02:54:50] <cmn32480> somebody else (but helped by Bytram)
[02:54:38] <cmn32480> bytram
[02:54:36] <cmn32480> bytram
[02:54:32] <cmn32480> bytram
[02:54:29] <cmn32480> who borke it?
[02:54:19] <cmn32480> hmmm>
[02:54:13] <Bytram> I had an idea for a new question; feedback appreciated.
[02:53:59] <Bytram> which reminds me.... the poll is kinda stale...
[02:53:52] <Deucalion> We have a diverse community. Just roll with it.... as long as you're enjoying it :)
[02:53:46] <Bytram> yay!
[02:53:42] <Bytram> for us, definitely, but I like to surprise the community on occasion, too.
[02:53:32] <cmn32480> on the upside.. the queue is currently +24 hoursw
[02:52:40] <cmn32480> just keep filling the time and let them surprise us.... it is far more fun that way
[02:52:22] <cmn32480> me neither
[02:52:10] <sedctl> <cmn32480> sometimes, you never know
[02:52:10] <cmn32480> s/soetime/sometimes/
[02:52:05] <Bytram> lately, it seems like I have not a clue!
[02:51:58] <cmn32480> s/soetimes/sometimes/
[02:51:47] <cmn32480> soetime, you never know
[02:51:40] <Bytram> ninjad!
[02:51:34] <Bytram> and other times, I put out a story just to fill the time in the day and there's a veritable blizzard of comments.
[02:51:33] <cmn32480> and the opposite happens to
[02:51:09] <Bytram> changing subjects, but I am constantly surprised by the community. There are times I put out a story and think 'this will get a lot of discussion' -- and -- *crickets*
[02:49:27] * Bytram channels a song by paul mccrtney
[02:48:42] <cmn32480> with a little luck
[02:48:29] <Bytram> just toeing the line, eh?
[02:48:18] <Bytram> though for the folliclely-challenged, like yours truly, it's more like hair razing
[02:48:03] <cmn32480> that happens when the game is a foot
[02:47:39] <Bytram> some have been rather hare raising
[02:47:16] <Bytram> same hear!
[02:46:25] <cmn32480> i always enjoy those impromptu pun-runs
[02:46:08] * Bytram goes in search of his pointy-toed slippers
[02:45:56] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:45:23] <cmn32480> well... fools anyway
[02:45:13] <Bytram> we're just some dancing fools
[02:44:52] <cmn32480> you sir, area stitch!
[02:44:52] <Bytram> Wit, is intellect, dancing.
[02:44:37] <cmn32480> rofl
[02:44:28] <Bytram> yup. at this point, I'm starting to feel hemmed in.
[02:44:10] <cmn32480> I suppose we are just bobbin for ideas now
[02:43:59] * Deucalion hides in the corner.... the wordsmiths are crackling again.....
[02:43:27] <cmn32480> we better button it up
[02:43:10] * Bytram wonders how he can weave a bad pun into this conversation
[02:42:56] <cmn32480> sorry.. puns are in the fabric of my being
[02:42:39] <Bytram> GROAN!
[02:42:35] <cmn32480> think we can pin it on Bytram?
[02:42:20] <Deucalion> lol
[02:42:11] <cmn32480> but I'm not sure where this thread is going
[02:42:01] <cmn32480> I'm just needling you a bit
[02:41:54] <cmn32480> sew there!
[02:41:28] <Bytram> yeah, sew what?
[02:41:11] <cmn32480> sewn where? into a pocket?'
[02:40:44] <Deucalion> Aha.... the seed of doubt is sown.....
[02:40:43] <cmn32480> in this channel I mean
[02:40:00] <cmn32480> you are the only brit left, AFAIK
[02:39:51] <cmn32480> or ethanol-fueled or whatever your name is
[02:39:46] <Deucalion> why?
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[02:39:20] <Bender> karma - tea: 21
[02:39:19] <cmn32480> tea++
[02:39:17] <cmn32480> this tea is for you Deucalion
[02:38:49] <sedctl> <cmn32480> pleasant dreams nick
[02:38:49] <cmn32480> s/pleasnat/pleasant/
[02:38:42] <Bytram> nick: g'night! Good to see you, however briefly.
[02:38:31] <cmn32480> pleasnat dreams nick
[02:38:27] * nick hat tip to all
[02:38:21] <nick> g'night gentlemen
[02:37:21] <cmn32480> no personal hygene or eating until it is complete!
[02:37:13] <Bytram> actually, I wouldn't mind bing in charge of it, as long as I did not have to do all the coding, too. :)
[02:37:12] <cmn32480> that rewrite better be done by the time you go back to work
[02:37:01] <cmn32480> I tried
[02:36:49] <cmn32480> oh well
[02:36:36] <Bytram> cmn32480: I already saw; nice try, kemosabe.
[02:36:20] <Bytram> oh, and I also have the next two days off -- very much looking forward to that!
[02:36:04] <Bytram> Ima actually pretty tired, but had a productive day at work, just finished eating dinner, and winding things down for the evening.
[02:35:50] <cmn32480> shhhh... don't ruin it by telling him he is in charge of the Perl 6 rewrite for Rehash
[02:35:36] <Bytram> just getting it out of my system, I guess!
[02:35:18] <Deucalion> Bytram, you seem a little exuberant this evening.
[02:35:14] <Bytram> better than my spelling, I hope!
[02:35:11] <cmn32480> bytram !!
[02:35:08] <nick> how are you good sir?
[02:35:05] <Bytram> how's htings?
[02:34:57] <nick> Bytram !!
[02:34:49] <Bytram> hi everyone!
[02:34:45] <Bytram> chromas: !!
[02:34:42] <Bytram> Deucalion: !!
[02:34:36] <Bytram> nick: !!
[02:34:33] <Bytram> cmn32480: !!
[02:33:56] <cmn32480> so in the last 6 months, I have literally spent 1/3 of them on the road
[02:33:34] <cmn32480> I dind't get my first night until March
[02:33:18] <Deucalion> That's not so bad given it is October already.
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[02:30:48] <cmn32480> this year I am just past 60 nights on the road
[02:30:37] <cmn32480> thanks.
[02:30:16] * Deucalion gifts cmn32480 with Eagles - Desperado..... can't be out checking them fences the whole time.
[02:29:18] <cmn32480> and yes... this year it seems that way
[02:29:11] <cmn32480> i dind't say I learned fast
[02:28:59] <Deucalion> Aren't you always?
[02:27:19] <cmn32480> I gotta learn I am on a slow as shit hotel connection
[02:26:03] <cmn32480> third time in two days I've posted an article twice
[02:25:54] <cmn32480> damnit
[02:20:51] <Deucalion> newp, I just contain a few suns in my upper digestive tract right now.... don't mean I'm alive you fool!
[02:20:50] <cmn32480> though not quite fully baked
[02:19:43] <cmn32480> yup... still warm. must be alive
[02:19:30] * cmn32480 pokes Deucalion like the Pilsbury Dough Boy......
[02:19:05] <Deucalion> or am I? muahahahaha!
[02:18:01] <cmn32480> you must be. you are ethanol-fueled after all
[02:17:37] <Deucalion> That's fine... I am not alive anyway.
[02:17:15] <cmn32480> we only pay for luggage class you know
[02:17:02] <cmn32480> excellent!
[02:16:53] <Deucalion> I'll fly over and take care of your customer cmn32480 - don't you worry.
[02:16:28] <cmn32480> I tink I can take the hit on my editorial pay
[02:16:14] <chromas> sure, but we can't pay you for a full day's work
[02:16:10] <cmn32480> sweet.... you gonna tell my custeorm I ain't gonna be back tomorrow?
[02:15:51] <Deucalion> yup
[02:15:24] <cmn32480> i learned somethign new... do I get to go home?
[02:15:17] <cmn32480> ahhhh
[02:15:02] <chromas> it's Bender, but it ignores actions when grabbing
[02:14:58] <cmn32480> and it is!
[02:14:51] <Bender> Added quote 23
[02:14:51] <cmn32480> !grab Deucalion
[02:14:37] <cmn32480> I thought it was bender
[02:14:31] <cmn32480> who does the quote grabbing?
[02:14:12] <cmn32480> sorry...
[02:13:48] <nick> does need to be kept on record
[02:13:41] <Deucalion> I sneakily said I would join staff under an alter-ego at some point in the future ~perhaps~ - psyche! I time travelled! :D Or did I...... is juggs / Deucalion really EF? Tune in to find out next time folks.
[02:13:28] <chromas> too bad Bender doesn't grab actions
[02:12:15] <cmn32480> otherwise they get bound up like a sausage in a garden hose.
[02:11:30] <cmn32480> you have to lube the extenders
[02:10:56] * Deucalion powders his dick extenders.... shot no, no I don't not in public. AHA! I have it... I AM Ethanol-Fueled! Deny that you contrary bastards!
[02:10:01] <cmn32480> we have very few complete d-bag trolls.
[02:09:47] <cmn32480> they are part of what makes us special
[02:09:28] <chromas> We want to have the highest quality trolls around
[02:09:17] <cmn32480> the trolls are part of the fabric of the community
[02:09:05] <cmn32480> i disagree Deucalion.
[02:08:51] <cmn32480> <crickets>
[02:08:48] <cmn32480> <crickets>
[02:08:41] * Deucalion shows hand
[02:08:41] <cmn32480> <crickets>
[02:08:33] <cmn32480> show of hands... who believes Deucalion when he says he isn't EF?
[02:08:32] * Deucalion decides to leave.... we really shouldn't be having discussions about the quality of trolling on the site. That seems so wrong.
[02:08:08] <cmn32480> bloody helll... I forgot to hit save!
[02:07:48] <nick> yeah, thats what you want us to think...
[02:06:53] <nick> but because of that some will turn off to the interesting stuff he does post
[02:06:42] <nick> that stuff severely brings down the average
[02:06:40] * Deucalion whacks nick on the head with a casual sledgehammer.... twas a typo, I am not EF :P
[02:06:38] <cmn32480> but, he does have the occassional jewel that pops out and keeps us guessing
[02:06:09] <cmn32480> I woudl agree... it can be inconsistant. and fotn times blatantly racist in flamebaity
[02:06:00] <nick> all your comments about jews do get quite tiresome ;)
[02:05:37] <Deucalion> blech - I meant EF's trolling
[02:05:20] <Deucalion> s/I/It/
[02:05:03] <Deucalion> I can be unimaginative at times for sure. Something, Something, JEWS! That's not really a troll. His troll work is inconsistent in quality is what I think we are suggesting no?
[02:04:43] <cmn32480> off to re-education camp wiht you
[02:04:35] <cmn32480> see nick.. there is your issue. can't be having an open mind
[02:03:58] <nick> there are plenty of people who comment on the site that i do not agree with the conclusions, but still find their comments interesting or insightful.
[02:02:14] <nick> and some of the trolling comments he makes are still quite terrible at times.
[02:01:41] <nick> Deucalion: if all trolls were of the e-f standard, the world would be a better place.
[02:01:33] <cmn32480> if nothign else, he is certainly not a dullard
[02:01:12] <cmn32480> both more than worthy of the front page
[02:01:10] <Deucalion> All part of the troll :)
[02:00:53] <nick> thats the intention i believe
[02:00:41] <Deucalion> An enigma!
[01:59:39] <cmn32480> well written, thoguhtful, and far from the personal he puts out on IRC and in many fo the commetns
[01:59:09] <nick> but most people only make good submissions...
[01:59:02] <cmn32480> thanks Deucalion.. I'm jsut a touch woozy
[01:58:56] <nick> he makes good submissions sometimes, more often than not in my experience
[01:58:29] * Deucalion props cmn32480 up...... gonna be OK buddy
[01:57:20] <cmn32480> and they look like GOOD subs... I might fall over
[01:56:59] <cmn32480> i believe it was, and i think chromas
[01:56:44] <nick> but if it was a rick and morty reference, ++ to whoever did that.
[01:56:27] <cmn32480> 2 subs from Ethanol-Fueled
[01:56:21] <nick> i think i missed or was oblivious to the time it was called schwifty
[01:56:20] <cmn32480> HOLY SHIT
[01:55:39] <cmn32480> currently, said bot is named systemd
[01:55:30] <cmn32480> schwifty was the name of Monopoly-bot that handles the URL's in the channels
[01:55:00] <nick> ?
[01:54:16] <cmn32480> schwifty got a new old name
[01:53:49] <systemd> ^ 03SN Submission by Phoenix666: Android 6.0 Marshmallow, Thoroughly Reviewed
[01:53:48] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[01:53:44] <nick> yeah
[01:53:38] <systemd> ^ 03SN article: What's in Android 6 (Marshmallow)? Twelve Pages of Changes 04(10 comments)
[01:53:37] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[01:53:29] <cmn32480> same article from Ars
[01:53:22] <cmn32480> Android marshmallow
[01:53:13] <nick> whats the dupe
[01:52:55] <cmn32480> shoudl I jsut deletee a dup?
[01:51:28] <cmn32480> it certainly calms the soul
[01:51:10] <nick> i'd say it is true, it feels so
[01:50:25] <cmn32480> or at minimum, she believed it
[01:49:33] <cmn32480> with my mom, it likely woudl be
[01:48:37] <nick> if your mom told you, it must be true
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[01:48:12] <cmn32480> as she made herself and me a cup of tea
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[01:47:58] <cmn32480> I don't know why.. but my Mom told me that once
[01:47:49] <cmn32480> hot cocoa is good for the soul
[01:47:41] <cmn32480> good
[01:47:30] <nick> im going to have some hot chocolate now actually
[01:44:54] <nick> lol
[01:43:31] <cmn32480> don't get too excited.. Ii'm in a hotel.. and it is k-Cup tea
[01:43:12] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 16
[01:43:12] <nick> cmn32480++
[01:43:07] <Bender> karma - tea: 20
[01:43:07] <nick> tea++
[01:42:55] <Bender> karma - tea: 19
[01:42:55] <cmn32480> tea++
[01:42:51] <cmn32480> this tea's for you
[01:42:45] <cmn32480> sadly... you are 100% correct
[01:42:23] <nick> there are no good answers, just less bad ones when it comes to this stuff.
[01:38:29] <cmn32480> I wish I had a good answer for you
[01:32:34] <nick> but there's very little in the customisation or compiling things yourself
[01:31:22] <nick> it seems to be a real mix, in general the systems that have a windows client software or server are more advanced for the user, but everything else is linux based
[01:29:51] <cmn32480> but I don't ahve near your experience, so I can't be siure of that
[01:29:40] <cmn32480> yes.. it is a lot of the backend software for the recording etc. where I have found linux to be a touch lacking
[01:29:02] <nick> in the embedded firmware there's plenty
[01:28:14] <cmn32480> and in the camera business, there isn't much linux
[01:28:01] <cmn32480> I agree
[01:27:56] <nick> it's easier to get things done with the tools you know
[01:27:55] <cmn32480> s/d/p/ sedctl
[01:27:26] <sedctl> :D
[01:27:24] <cmn32480> better late than never I suppose
[01:27:21] <nick> but i am making a general shift more towards linux for the servers and desktop/laptop etc
[01:27:21] <sedctl> D
[01:27:06] <cmn32480> I've started to play a bit when I have time... but I don't reall yhave a ton of spare time.
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[01:26:48] <cmn32480> most of my linux experience is through VMWare as the hypervisor
[01:26:05] <nick> i have mostly used linux as a hobby, only in the last couple of years has it entered into the work.
[01:25:53] <cmn32480> and I am very much in the same boat
[01:25:45] <cmn32480> I know the feeling
[01:25:22] <nick> which is the whole point of why as much as i'd like to, not windows is not an option currently.
[01:24:39] <cmn32480> uh huh
[01:24:35] <nick> the industry uses windows more than anything
[01:24:30] <cmn32480> stupid missing bots
[01:24:29] <nick> well from what i know, your work is similar to much of mine
[01:24:22] <cmn32480> s/sought/ought/
[01:23:56] <cmn32480> it sought to be now. I modded him up a few mintues ago
[01:23:33] <nick> but not really useful for me, but deserves +5 for being generally informative
[01:22:58] <nick> hyperturtles comment is very good
[01:22:49] <cmn32480> I'd be glad to help on the wondows side if needed. Unfortunately, I'm pants at the linux siude of things
[01:21:40] <nick> i have been considering that more since reading the comments though
[01:21:25] <nick> i wasnt talking about his suggestion specifically
[01:21:08] <cmn32480> he suggested the host your windows inside a linux instance
[01:20:48] <nick> i really hoped to avoid the 'migrate off windows' ideas
[01:19:14] <cmn32480> heh... frojack suggested the same tihgn I ddid
[01:17:41] <nick> there are options
[01:17:35] <nick> the whole thing is a big wish list, but you have to start somewhere
[01:17:06] <cmn32480> thought I had a decent idea for a change
[01:16:54] <cmn32480> nuts
[01:13:47] <nick> cost is too high for how little resources we need on it
[01:13:21] <cmn32480> consider a colo instead of a VPS?
[01:13:05] <cmn32480> ahhhh
[01:12:57] <nick> yeah, but the VPS is part of a general infrastructure change
[01:12:53] <cmn32480> that measn you already have all the OS licensing.
[01:12:23] <cmn32480> you already host this stuff in house, yes?
[01:12:02] <nick> and some day i might have to explain to someone how it all works...
[01:11:31] <nick> because of multiple industries
[01:11:26] <nick> i need to keep things simple, we have too many internal systems
[01:10:48] <cmn32480> you have to manage it is the problem
[01:10:40] <cmn32480> thought about running a linux VPS, but runnign it as a hypervisor for an MS OS?
[01:10:25] <nick> i found it quite surprising there is very little in the way of comparison of different providers out there, reviews or general discussion.
[01:10:09] <cmn32480> silly question?
[01:09:44] <nick> thanks, i tried to be clear as possible, but some people have an opinion they want to share which isnt quite what i asked, to be expected though
[01:09:14] <cmn32480> ick. sorry to hear that
[01:08:58] <nick> several existing clients scaling back is not making my smile at the moment.
[01:08:00] <cmn32480> it was a nicely done piece you wrote about the Windows VPS
[01:07:45] <cmn32480> aye.
[01:07:28] <nick> i am trying to be positive about things but it seems to lead to a lot of time and resources invested before contracts are signed
[01:04:23] <cmn32480> this year (and certainly a part of last year as well), have been pretty rotten
[01:03:58] <cmn32480> I know how you feel, I think
[01:03:24] <nick> but its not been positive as such
[01:03:06] <nick> yeah, last few years have been all over the place for me, different jobs and different places, trying to learn from it all
[01:01:01] <cmn32480> sounds much like we are in the same boat
[01:00:50] <cmn32480> certainly somethign that I have forgotten how to do this year
[01:00:31] <nick> even if you can just laugh to yourself, it's something
[00:59:53] <cmn32480> it was the first in a very long time :(
[00:59:36] <cmn32480> today was a good day. I can cross my fingers and hope that tomorrow is too
[00:59:20] <nick> yeah, forgot it was even possible to be honest
[00:58:39] <cmn32480> i had honestly forgotten what it was like to have fun at work...
[00:58:18] <cmn32480> it was rather strange...
[00:58:02] <nick> :)
[00:56:12] <cmn32480> today was the fisrt time in a year (?) or more. I was laughing adn having a good time as we were arguing over the right way to do it
[00:55:50] <nick> there are a few clients like that, it is very refreshing to hear they still exist
[00:55:30] <cmn32480> ME TOO
[00:55:22] <nick> been a long time since ive experienced anything resembling that, glad you had a nice day though
[00:55:01] <cmn32480> makes it a lot more fun when it is somethign you dont' do every day, and the customer is smart, thoguhtful, and has as much invested in the job being done right (mostly as it was his idea) as I do as the contractor wanting to sell him the prioduct that they are piloting
[00:54:05] <nick> good times :D
[00:53:42] <cmn32480> today was one of the most fun days at a custoemr site that I cna remember in many months
[00:53:22] <cmn32480> for a nice change of pace
[00:53:14] <cmn32480> it goes good actually
[00:53:04] <cmn32480> seconding your stuff atm
[00:53:01] <nick> how goes cmn32480
[00:51:11] <cmn32480> one cup at a time, old chap
[00:50:41] <cmn32480> I'll have a tea for you in a bit nick
[00:50:31] <cmn32480> exactly!
[00:50:22] <Bender> karma - tea: 18
[00:50:22] <nick> tea++
[00:49:48] <Bender> karma - tea: 17
[00:49:48] <cmn32480> tea++
[00:49:44] <cmn32480> zz_janrinok, I am having tea in your honor sir!
[00:49:23] <cmn32480> bueller?
[00:48:10] <cmn32480> hullo!