#editorial | Logs for 2015-10-03
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[17:55:55] <janrinok> and you
[17:55:51] <janrinok> k, see you maybe then.
[17:55:47] <cmn32480> be safe, my friend
[17:55:41] <cmn32480> perhaps tomorrow
[17:55:32] <janrinok> yep
[17:55:27] <cmn32480> odds are you will be zz_janrinok before I get back
[17:55:13] <cmn32480> take it easy janrinok
[17:55:13] <janrinok> take care, laters maybe
[17:54:51] <cmn32480> :-)
[17:54:48] <cmn32480> I bet
[17:54:39] <janrinok> I'll battle on with my gardening stress quite happily thanks
[17:54:18] <cmn32480> my best to S, try to relax... all that gardening is stressful
[17:54:00] <cmn32480> I shall
[17:53:54] <janrinok> send her my best wishes and apologies for distracting you
[17:53:53] <cmn32480> who'd a thunk it?
[17:53:37] <cmn32480> apparently talk ing to you is not part of my chores
[17:53:34] <janrinok> time to go do some work?
[17:53:24] <cmn32480> I'm gettnig the stink eye
[17:52:39] <janrinok> true
[17:52:31] <cmn32480> differnt parts of it are just different strange
[17:52:21] <cmn32480> everywhere is a stragne world
[17:52:07] <janrinok> its a strange world
[17:51:54] <janrinok> as for me, they simply ignore me and hope that I will go away. The locals, on the other hand, have made us both very welcome
[17:51:06] <janrinok> I think the Parisians deserve it in the main - they display a remarkable degree of arrogance to any frenchman who doesn't live in the capital
[17:51:03] <cmn32480> crazy
[17:50:17] <janrinok> Otherwise, they get treated just like 'real' Parisians
[17:50:09] <cmn32480> that's unreal
[17:49:43] <janrinok> My neighbours are actually from Paris, although she was born here and moved to Paris when she married. When they return to their home here, they have to put their Paris registered car in the garage, and drive a car with local plates
[17:48:42] <cmn32480> wow...
[17:48:32] <janrinok> if they thought that they wouldn't get caught, it wouldn't surprise me
[17:48:12] <janrinok> probably, although the stereotype does exist almost everywhere
[17:48:02] <cmn32480> like drag them into a dark alley kind of hate?
[17:47:42] <cmn32480> it is my understanding (no first hand experience, mind you) that they are what has created the stereotype of the snooty frenchman
[17:47:30] <janrinok> yes, but this is a different degree of hate
[17:47:12] <cmn32480> doesn't everybody hate Parisians?
[17:46:57] <janrinok> They hate Parisians, unless the tourists are spending money
[17:46:22] <janrinok> exactly, and with foreign Frenchies from other Departements
[17:46:00] <cmn32480> just to mess wiht foreigners?
[17:45:46] <janrinok> They could be making it up
[17:45:35] <janrinok> I'm not even sure about that...
[17:45:24] <cmn32480> unless you speak it
[17:45:15] <janrinok> but completely indecipherable
[17:45:02] <cmn32480> interesting
[17:44:46] <janrinok> They also have their own language here too. Breton is still spoken by about 25% of the population. It is closely related to Welsh, Cornish, and Irish gaelic
[17:44:29] <cmn32480> bet that's a trip... '
[17:43:56] <janrinok> yep, and wait until you hear them speak!
[17:43:33] <cmn32480> all these funny sounding names... you'd think it was a different language or something
[17:43:00] <cmn32480> after zooming in, i see that
[17:42:21] <janrinok> drive north, and you will see Paimpol. I live within 15 minutes of there
[17:42:11] <cmn32480> I konw not nearly enough about the geography of France to know wher that was without looking it up
[17:41:28] <cmn32480> just to get a general location
[17:41:16] <cmn32480> yup
[17:41:13] <janrinok> St B?
[17:40:53] <cmn32480> ZING
[17:40:46] <cmn32480> i pulled it up on google maps
[17:40:44] <janrinok> that's what she said
[17:40:32] <cmn32480> a few inches just makes things difficult, but it isn't enough to have fun in
[17:40:23] <janrinok> if we get snow here, it normally disappears within 12 hours. Being coastal has its advantages
[17:40:01] <cmn32480> plus, a good snowfall means we can build snowmen adn sled
[17:39:45] <cmn32480> one or two big storms means that I get to fire up the snow blower once or twice, and then we are done.
[17:39:42] <janrinok> try standing behind it
[17:39:33] <janrinok> you are firing it up wrong ...
[17:39:13] <cmn32480> when there is a few inches at a time, the kids have no school, I have to fire up the snow blower each time, and it is a general pain in the ass
[17:38:44] <cmn32480> cold isn't the issue
[17:38:27] <janrinok> how does it make a difference?
[17:37:36] <cmn32480> ahh well... I'm jsut hoping we get a lot of snow all at once, instead of getting a couple inches at a time 15 times
[17:36:02] <cmn32480> but the Farmers Almanac says it is gonna be a crummy winter here, so I'll tzake what I can get
[17:35:40] <cmn32480> for the beginning of October it is a bit cold
[17:35:24] <janrinok> yep, but to us that is good weather, to you it is cold
[17:35:07] <cmn32480> 'bout the same
[17:34:54] <janrinok> probably the nearest place it would know to where I live
[17:34:22] <exec> 03Saint-Brieuc, France - currently 57°F / 14°C, sunny, wind N at 4 mph, humidity 81% - Saturday clear with periodic clouds (48°F:63°F / 9°C:17°C), Sunday showers (56°F:63°F / 13°C:17°C), Monday rain (58°F:65°F / 14°C:18°C), Tuesday showers (51°F:62°F / 11°C:17°C)
[17:34:20] <janrinok> ~weather St Brieuc
[17:34:00] <janrinok> and not looking as if it will change in the next day or two for you, either
[17:33:24] <exec> 03Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 54°F / 12°C, cloudy, wind NE at 20 mph, humidity 90% - Saturday cloudy (52°F:56°F / 11°C:13°C), Sunday cloudy (51°F:61°F / 11°C:16°C), Monday partly cloudy (49°F:67°F / 9°C:19°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (56°F:72°F / 13°C:22°C)
[17:33:22] <cmn32480> ~weather baltimore
[17:33:18] <cmn32480> cold here today
[17:33:02] <janrinok> yep, weather is beginning to change, but the rain shouldn't arrive before Monday
[17:32:42] <cmn32480> sounds like a decent afternoon
[17:32:09] <janrinok> quiet so far, just doing a spot of coding, and did some work in the garden earlier today. Now settled in for the evening
[17:31:14] <cmn32480> how about you and S? quiet weekend?
[17:31:04] <cmn32480> they are doing well
[17:30:52] <janrinok> J and the kids well?
[17:28:48] <cmn32480> dunno.... I don't knwo where the sites are yet, except "Kentucky"
[17:28:13] <janrinok> near to any of the SN staff?
[17:27:56] <cmn32480> dunno when they are gonna happen
[17:27:47] <cmn32480> jsut got handed a couple trips to Kentucky too
[17:27:36] <cmn32480> never stops
[17:27:31] <janrinok> ah, on your travels again
[17:27:17] <cmn32480> and I have to get the pilot program finished for a custoemr so I can install it next week
[17:26:57] <janrinok> of course, goes without saying
[17:26:47] <cmn32480> J has a list of chorse for me
[17:26:42] <cmn32480> yup
[17:26:37] <janrinok> plans for the weekend?
[17:26:23] <janrinok> lol
[17:26:12] <cmn32480> well.. the milk might not last until the next time... but the TP will!
[17:25:35] <janrinok> at least you have tested your genny, and have all the emergency provisions ready for next time
[17:25:20] <cmn32480> and I am not sad about that at all
[17:25:02] <janrinok> yes, looks like it missed you
[17:24:35] <cmn32480> no hurricane... so that's good
[17:24:11] <janrinok> how's things?
[17:24:05] <cmn32480> janrinok !!
[17:15:53] <janrinok> cmn32480: !!
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[13:26:44] <janrinok> hi guys
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[02:27:28] <Deucalion> makes sense
[02:25:47] <cmn32480> Deucalion - I always use the expanding disk. keeps my backup windows smaller
[02:21:21] <Deucalion> Clever (or obvious) way to reduce the path lengths, then the bus becomes the bottleneck again - hence I guess why we are seeing PCI-E connected flash drives.
[02:19:01] <takyon> Samsung is leading, the rest should be following within the next couple of quarters
[02:18:45] <takyon> yes
[02:18:33] <Deucalion> takyon, 3D stacked flash based storage (SSDs) are already an off the shelf thing no?
[02:15:09] <Bytram|away> g'night!
[02:14:47] <Bytram|away> never hurts to let friends know that you are looking; word-of-mouth is still king in some ways.
[02:14:02] <takyon> thanks
[02:13:57] <Bytram|away> takyon: good luck on the apt hunt! have a good night.
[02:13:51] <Deucalion> Turning a VM into a bare metal install.... ~shrug~ never tried it... logically it should just be a case of blasting the vdi to a physical partition then pointing the bootloader at it. I'm sure it is possible... as to exactly how... ~shrug~
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[02:11:28] <Bytram> have a great weekend everybody!
[02:11:22] <Bytram> back to work tomorrow and for the 3 days following. I'll peek in as I can.
[02:11:21] <Deucalion> Sleep soundly fellow traveller :)
[02:11:06] <Bytram> okay, my brain is toast and I am tired.
[02:10:54] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:10:49] <Bytram> at that point, I'd rather have a small, stable hypervisor and run everything in VMs
[02:10:44] <Deucalion> There are also tools to mount a vdi as a disk or partition and put it in the filesystem. It is just a disk image after all.
[02:10:15] <Bytram> hmm, nvm.
[02:10:12] <takyon> and some more scaling. 14nm is done, 10nm production is ramping up, 7nm seems to work, then you get to talk about 5nm, 3nm, 2nm, 1nm, 0.5nm
[02:10:04] <Bytram> alternatively, is there a way to turn a VM into a native (bare metal) OS?
[02:09:47] <Bytram> nice!
[02:09:35] <Deucalion> VirtualBox runs on linux the same as on Windows. You can move a VDI from a Win host to a Linux host and it will run fine.
[02:09:03] <takyon> possible orders of magnitude speedup from moving to optical or non-silicon. chips could reach 1 THz max clock speeds. definite orders of magnitude improvement if stacked/3D chips can be made using a new material or process
[02:09:01] <Bytram> well wrong term. if I gets things all set up nice and how i like them, is there a way to take this virtual machine which is currenytly running on windows and have it run on linux?
[02:08:21] <Deucalion> run a VDI?
[02:08:05] <Bytram> oh, and a silly question, but is there a way to run a VDI on linux?
[02:07:33] <Deucalion> cmn32480, do you tend to use the expanding vdi to suit or the fixed size?
[02:07:30] <Bytram> well in research, but they have made devises at that size
[02:07:27] <takyon> there are a few ways to get more performance from classical computing
[02:07:09] <Bytram> IBM has 7nm in development atm
[02:06:50] <Bytram> o_O
[02:06:49] <Deucalion> takyon, I keep hearing that we are down to almost the limit of silicon shrinkage, in that the lines are almost down to the size of an electron. But I've been hearing that for 10 years, so who knows.
[02:06:32] * exec brazenly poops a spoon of glowballs for Bytram
[02:06:30] <cmn32480> ~gnight Bytram
[02:06:29] <Bytram> Deucalion: thanks for the support and encouragement!
[02:06:16] <Bytram> and.. I'll be heading to bed
[02:06:08] <cmn32480> back in a bit
[02:06:08] <Bytram> backup is done.
[02:06:05] <cmn32480> from in front of the wii downstairs
[02:06:00] <Bytram> cmn32480: thanks again for all the help!
[02:05:54] * Bytram made sure to tick *that* box
[02:05:51] <cmn32480> I gotta collect up my kids
[02:05:47] <cmn32480> ok
[02:05:36] <Bytram> yep, makes sense.
[02:05:15] <cmn32480> if you gave the VM a 10GB disk, it will by default set the disk to expand as needed instead of taking up the whole amount of space at the oputset
[02:05:08] <Bytram> water-cooled dual processor with 256 MB of extended memory on top of 32 MB of base memory.
[02:05:03] <takyon> ... the limits of computing
[02:04:42] <Deucalion> wait - can we back that up on 5.25" floppies?
[02:04:36] <takyon> I'm wondering what the limits will be
[02:04:30] <cmn32480> makes sense
[02:04:19] <Bytram> vm backup is *only* 5.57 GB
[02:03:41] <Bytram> as it ws so advanced, it was only the size of 3 refridgerators
[02:03:22] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:02:56] <cmn32480> and it didn't need to have it's own crane to make it portable
[02:02:44] <cmn32480> hehe
[02:01:31] <Bytram> it was a very expensive phone! ;)
[02:01:24] <cmn32480> zactly my point
[02:01:07] <Bytram> and it cost several meeelion dollars
[02:00:52] <Bytram> there is more compute power in my 5-year-old mobile phone than the top-of-the-line IBM Mainframe I tested on back in the early 1980's
[01:59:47] <cmn32480> and certainly not if it is running Windows
[01:59:10] <cmn32480> oh hell no
[01:58:53] <Deucalion> Is it as reliable though?
[01:58:41] <cmn32480> that laptop has 20 times the power of the room sized computers that took us to the moon
[01:58:20] <cmn32480> sure
[01:58:15] <Deucalion> yup
[01:58:10] <Bytram> hardware is so much faster these days, too.
[01:57:57] * Bytram vigorously agrees
[01:57:42] <cmn32480> ^^^^^^^ THis a thouhsand times
[01:57:28] <Deucalion> Nice thing about VMs - abuse them... if the worst happens, dlete the vdi file and machine instance and start over. So much nicer than installing on bare metal with all the bootloader tomfoolery.
[01:57:23] <cmn32480> I can always wander off and do my day job
[01:57:15] <cmn32480> is ok Bytram.
[01:57:04] <cmn32480> yes... you did. and it was quite a big help
[01:56:56] <Bytram> and bless you with another 1/2 day of my providing you step-by-step instructions on how I set it up again!!
[01:56:28] <Deucalion> I did cmn32480 ? :/ My memory is shite. Oh wait, yeah, I do kinda remember those convos.
[01:56:13] <cmn32480> push buttons. worst you can do is break it
[01:55:55] <Bytram> it helps that I actually *tested* IBM's VM os back in the day, so I understand the concepts -- which helps immensely, but how it is *implemented* in this case, that's another matter of finding all the right knobs and such.
[01:55:09] <cmn32480> and if I recall correctly, Deucalion walked me through virtual box
[01:55:06] <Bytram> he's really good at that!
[01:54:53] <cmn32480> held my hand like a babe in the woods
[01:54:46] <cmn32480> janrinok walked me through my first Ubuntu install
[01:54:33] <cmn32480> it does. but we've all been there
[01:53:28] <Bytram> yeah. Does it show? ;)
[01:53:14] <Deucalion> Bytram, your first time playing with VirtualBox?
[01:52:03] <cmn32480> yes... that sounds correct
[01:51:55] <Bytram> it's under my home dir in "VirtualBox VMs"
[01:51:39] <Bytram> aha /me found the dir
[01:50:24] <Bytram> well, the msg was from Linux, so maybe I did do the right thing
[01:50:05] * Bytram now goes to look for where it went
[01:49:58] <cmn32480> the hypervosor typically has an option to do a graceful shutdown
[01:49:54] <Bytram> but, it's gone now, anyway.
[01:49:43] <Bytram> methinks I hit the wrong button.
[01:49:31] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:49:17] <Deucalion> yah, always use the within VM OS shutdown routines. Hitting the hypervisor power button is akin to hitting the power button on a physical box. OS's are better these days at recognising the power event but still not perfect. As always controlled OS shutdown rather than hard power down is preferred :)
[01:49:16] * Bytram hits the (i) button, clicks shutdown on the Dialog and watches things go away
[01:48:37] <Bytram> got it.
[01:48:26] <cmn32480> shutdown. I don't like suspend/hibernate particularly in a VM
[01:48:12] <cmn32480> either way will work, but I feel more comfortable doing it from inside hte vm...
[01:48:07] <Bytram> do you do a hard shutdown, or a suspend?
[01:47:51] <cmn32480> sorry I took so long to actaully understnad what you were shooting for
[01:47:39] <cmn32480> ok
[01:47:32] <Bytram> ah, the voice of experience. THAT's what I was looking for!
[01:47:13] <cmn32480> when I shut down, I tend to do it from the OS, not from Virtual box
[01:46:35] <cmn32480> OR you can shut down vm and copy the folder where the files live
[01:46:19] <Bytram> nod nod; I get the concept
[01:46:12] <cmn32480> from the console window
[01:46:07] <cmn32480> 1) if the VM is running, and all you wanna get is a snapshot, you can do that
[01:45:54] <cmn32480> ok, 2 ways to do it
[01:45:30] <Bytram> k
[01:45:16] <cmn32480> firing up my vm
[01:45:11] <cmn32480> one sec
[01:44:07] <Bytram> so will shutting down the VM trigger ubuntu to go away, or must I shudown by myself, first?
[01:43:35] <Bytram> k
[01:43:27] <cmn32480> don't sweat it.
[01:43:20] <Bytram> and seeing my bytes sent/received incrementing in windows
[01:43:14] <cmn32480> then do a graceful shutdown
[01:43:03] <Bytram> I'm seeing the activity indicator blinking in the VM
[01:42:34] <Bytram> nope
[01:41:28] <cmn32480> are you actually doing anythgin with it atm?
[01:41:09] <Bytram> well, I don't know *what* it is talking to, but I see network IO in the VM
[01:41:01] <cmn32480> It'll reboot, I promise
[01:40:42] <Bytram> oh, okay.
[01:40:36] <cmn32480> that woudl be included in "Shutdown the VM"
[01:40:27] * Bytram doesn't think so but....
[01:40:21] <Bytram> do I need to shutdown ubuntu first?
[01:40:10] <Bytram> okay...
[01:38:27] <cmn32480> shut down the VM. and make a copy of the folder that it lives in
[01:38:00] <Bytram> any suggestions?
[01:37:52] <Bytram> now that I finally have ubuntu up and running, I'd like to save things as they are.
[01:37:40] <Bytram> me neither.
[01:37:34] <cmn32480> are you?
[01:37:31] <cmn32480> no
[01:37:25] <Bytram> cmn32480: are you still here?
[01:27:13] <takyon> well I looked at it, but the landlord wasn't there
[01:26:42] <nick> how did that go?
[01:25:45] <takyon> was checking out a new place to live
[01:25:26] <takyon> pretty good
[01:25:09] <nick> how about you?
[01:25:01] <nick> doin'
[01:23:43] <takyon> how ya doing
[01:23:29] <nick> hey takyon
[01:18:51] <takyon> check in
[00:09:58] <nick> so they made more money out of being useless
[00:09:52] <nick> couldn't do it and didn't want to risk having email go down in the migration
[00:09:21] <cmn32480> nice
[00:08:48] <nick> they told me to go on the website and see if i could
[00:08:47] <cmn32480> also suggest calling in and talking to customer service, not the idiots in sales and tell them the same thing
[00:08:38] <nick> they called me one time, i asked them about migrating services from one package to another
[00:08:14] <nick> so can ignore
[00:08:07] <nick> i have to just hang up on them, i have a couple saved in my phone now#
[00:08:04] <cmn32480> "Look, you call me again, I'm taking my business elsewhere, are we clear?"
[00:08:03] <Bytram> what is their domain name?
[00:07:49] <Bytram> ask for their supervisor.
[00:07:46] <cmn32480> then give them the American
[00:07:33] <nick> but they're american sales reps, my british manner doesn't get through
[00:07:30] <Bytram> and...?
[00:07:21] <nick> oh i have tried
[00:07:01] <Bytram> just tell 'em that you like the service but hate the sales calls and if you get any more you will SERIOUSLY consider going someplace else... so do you want to hold on to an existing customer, or lose them?
[00:06:44] <cmn32480> as much as I want to say yes....
[00:06:03] <nick> is it even possible for there to be a decent windows host?
[00:03:48] <nick> update*
[00:03:44] <nick> and no bulk domain updat
[00:03:39] <nick> with 1&1 for now, services have been fine but the sales calls are fucking annoying
[00:00:22] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:00:15] <nick> for domains and hosting
[00:00:11] <nick> i haved used godaddy in the past