#editorial | Logs for 2015-10-02

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[03:07:53] <takyon> it's time to submit everything
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[03:39:33] <cmn32480> takyon - is there a sub already or am i jsut missing it?
[03:39:42] <takyon> uh
[03:39:52] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:40:10] <cmn32480> no wonder.. I was looking in the sub queue
[03:41:27] <takyon> sorry
[03:41:30] <takyon> i've got a sub started
[03:42:02] <cmn32480> perhaps not breaking news, but definetly should get moved up in the queue to a primetime spot or quick release
[03:43:22] <takyon> subbed
[03:44:10] <cmn32480> the ohter one that I was thinking should go prime time is the adblock story from techwolf
[03:44:20] * Bytram looks at queues
[03:44:29] <cmn32480> working on it Dad
[03:45:10] <takyon> didn't know you two had that kind of relationship
[03:45:33] <cmn32480> gotta watch them old people takyon
[03:46:11] <Bytram> Easy, son, be kind to your elders... or else! :D
[03:46:40] <cmn32480> you'll beat me with your cane?
[03:46:43] <Bytram> hmm AdblockPlus had already kinda sold out to advertisers, IIRC; now adblock,too?
[03:46:45] <cmn32480> chase me on your scooter?
[03:47:00] <cmn32480> wave a fist adn tell me to get off your lawn
[03:47:01] <cmn32480> ?
[03:48:07] <Bytram> Careful what you ask for! I'm friends with Tim, the Toolman, Taylor and he's souped mine up with a Binford Supercharged Double-Overhead Cam motor with 5 speeds and a wheelie bar!
[03:48:09] <takyon> it's hard to keep track of all the damn adblocks
[03:48:14] <takyon> what's the good one? adblock edge?
[03:48:15] <Bytram> yuppers
[03:48:30] <Bytram> oh, I meant it's hard to keep up.
[03:48:30] <cmn32480> but did he give you hubcaps?
[03:48:47] <cmn32480> adblock edge si the only independant one at this time AFAIK
[03:49:03] <Bytram> yep; I push a button and then blades extend out the side to help with the landscaping!
[03:49:11] <takyon> though it's easy to disable whitelisted stuff
[03:49:36] * Bytram is currently using 'Adblock Latitude' on Pale Moon
[03:50:53] <Bytram> Looks like I am using the 'EasyList' filter subscription.
[03:51:07] <Bytram> does not seem to have an easy way to add/drop entries from that list.
[03:51:09] <Bytram> :(
[03:51:35] <Bytram> Oh, found it.
[03:54:21] <cmn32480> for the adblock story, I cna't find any corraborating evidence beyond the twitter link that the submitter provided
[03:56:37] <cmn32480> a reddit discussion
[03:57:29] <takyon> I've got Adblock Plus 1.9.3
[03:57:29] <takyon> for Chrome
[03:58:32] <Bytram> did you get the linked popup?
[03:58:50] <cmn32480> I found a better link ot the actual popup from the reddit discussion
[03:58:54] <cmn32480> http://i.imgur.com
[03:59:17] <takyon> nope
[03:59:25] * Bytram clicks
[03:59:43] <takyon> I think my version is different
[03:59:52] <cmn32480> We are using AdBlock Plus
[03:59:57] <cmn32480> this was Adblock
[04:00:05] <cmn32480> diffent company
[04:00:39] <Bytram> yues, that is a much clearer image.
[04:00:50] <Bytram> and, yes, Adblock != AdblockPlus
[04:01:23] <Bytram> cmn32480: reddit discussion? linky?
[04:01:40] <cmn32480> https://www.reddit.com
[04:01:41] <Schwifty> ^ 03Owner of AdBlock is selling the company and turning on "Acceptable Ads" by default. (can be turned off) : pcmasterrace
[04:01:53] * Bytram clicks
[04:05:04] <takyon> later
[04:05:10] <cmn32480> c-ya
[04:06:23] <Bytram> takyon: have a good night!
[04:06:36] <cmn32480> swwet dreams
[04:07:01] <Bytram> hmmm, according to wikipedia:
[04:07:01] <Bytram> AdBlock is not to be confused with Adblock Plus. The creator of AdBlock claims to have been inspired by the Adblock Plus extension for Firefox, which is itself based on another extension called Adblock. But otherwise AdBlock is unrelated to the other efforts
[04:07:12] <cmn32480> takyon just subbed a really nice piece on the paetron data dump
[04:07:36] <Bytram> So, there's "Adblock" and then "Adblock Plus" and now "AdBlock" -- notice the capitalization of the "B"
[04:08:21] <cmn32480> yup... keeps them from infringing on the copywrite no doubt
[04:08:40] <Bytram> "Copyright", you mean?
[04:08:59] <cmn32480> yeah that too
[04:09:03] <Bytram> =)
[04:11:05] <cmn32480> can you peek at the adblock story I jsut posted. it is thin, but I think it shoudl suffice
[04:11:10] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[04:11:11] <Schwifty> ^ 03Error
[04:11:23] <Bytram> k
[04:11:28] <cmn32480> thx
[04:12:29] <Bytram> umm wait a minute. which one sold out? Adblock or AdBlock?
[04:12:40] <Bytram> the BIG B one, right?
[04:12:44] <cmn32480> yes
[04:12:47] <Bytram> k
[04:12:52] <Bytram> lemme fix that then.
[04:12:58] <cmn32480> you want to fix that or you want me to fix it?
[04:14:30] <Bytram> I'm on it.
[04:14:36] <Bytram> found a couple other minor things.
[04:14:47] <cmn32480> such as?
[04:15:27] <Bytram> verb agreement in a couple places.
[04:15:36] <cmn32480> ahhh ok
[04:16:05] <Bytram> also, I find it is a purely personal choice, but I prefer "opt-in" to "opt in" and "opt-out' to "opt-out", so made that change, too.
[04:16:19] <cmn32480> i had to start over from what the sub was originally.
[04:16:28] <cmn32480> fine by me
[04:17:11] <Bytram> I also clarified the title for their being three different "adblock"s
[04:17:16] <cmn32480> ok
[04:17:19] <cmn32480> thanks bytram
[04:17:25] <cmn32480> I just realized how late it is
[04:17:32] <cmn32480> I gotta be getting to bed
[04:17:40] <Bytram> question: is it a fact that it was sold out to Advertisers or just that it was sold?
[04:17:50] <Bytram> nod nod
[04:17:58] <Bytram> btw, I just got your kilt pic today.
[04:18:04] <cmn32480> just that it was sold, and that the Acceptable Ads checkbox will be turned on
[04:18:15] <cmn32480> not checking email regularly?
[04:18:17] <Bytram> tbird failed to check email when restored from hibernation.
[04:18:40] <Bytram> there's a new release that I D/Led today that fixes that bug.
[04:18:49] <cmn32480> ah
[04:19:14] <Bytram> title preference?
[04:19:17] <Bytram> 1.) AdBlock, Not Adblock or Adblock Plus (Separate Companies), Just Sold Out to Advertisers
[04:19:28] <Bytram> 2.) AdBlock, Not Adblock or Adblock Plus (Separate Companies) has been Sold
[04:19:52] <Bytram> 4.) AdBlock (Not Adblock or Adblock Plus -- Separate Companies) has been Sold
[04:19:56] <Bytram> s/4/3
[04:20:03] <cmn32480> 2
[04:20:06] * Bytram should be getting to bed soon, too.
[04:20:21] <cmn32480> i like #2
[04:20:27] <Bytram> k
[04:20:31] <Bytram> rago!
[04:20:35] <Bytram> Ragu!
[04:20:40] <cmn32480> I shall beat on the queue a bit more in the AM.
[04:20:42] <Bytram> (It's in there.)
[04:20:54] <cmn32480> <groan>
[04:21:21] <cmn32480> and on that note... I'm done noodling aroun here for the night
[04:21:32] <Bytram> i'm adding a question: <p>What advertisement blocking extension(s) do you use, and on what browser?
[04:21:42] <cmn32480> good call
[04:21:59] * Bytram clicks preview
[04:22:27] * Bytram fixes a typo
[04:22:35] <Bytram> ok, take one last look if you would?
[04:23:09] <cmn32480> the question needs be above the <hr>
[04:23:44] <Bytram> then that would suggest that techwolf wrote it.
[04:23:54] <cmn32480> 112% matching with "AdBlock, Not Adblock or Adblock Plus (Separate Companies), has been sold" currently edited by martyb
[04:24:02] <cmn32480> methinks the calculations might be off
[04:24:11] <Bytram> ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:24:16] <cmn32480> there isn't anytthign there that techwolf wrote
[04:24:30] <Bytram> oh? Oh.
[04:24:43] <cmn32480> I reworte the entire sub
[04:24:45] * Bytram looks again
[04:24:57] <cmn32480> and then you rewrote my rewrite
[04:25:13] <Bytram> in that case, we need to rephrase the intro ... I can do it if you'd like
[04:25:17] <cmn32480> and did a far better job than I did on the rewriting
[04:25:25] <cmn32480> I got it
[04:25:27] <Bytram> I had better stuff to start with!
[04:25:36] <Bytram> =)
[04:25:50] <cmn32480> Techwolf wrote in to tell us about:
[04:26:02] <Bytram> good
[04:26:52] <Bytram> And now, son, click save and then get thee to bed!
[04:27:10] * cmn32480 clicks preview
[04:27:25] * cmn32480 clicks update
[04:27:33] * cmn32480 clicks shutdown
[04:27:38] <cmn32480> night bytram!
[04:27:54] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|sleepin
[04:27:54] <Bytram> and a very good night to you, too!
[04:27:59] <Bytram> oh, one thing?
[04:28:06] <Bytram> any probs with testing the generator?
[04:28:06] <cmn32480|sleepin> sir?
[04:28:15] * Bytram hopes it all went smoothly!
[04:28:20] <cmn32480|sleepin> other than not having any gas to put in it? none
[04:28:25] <Bytram> ROFL!
[04:28:33] <cmn32480|sleepin> not quite my reaction....
[04:28:34] * Bytram offers a rubber hose to syphon from the car
[04:29:08] <Bytram> ...or from the lawnmower
[04:29:09] * cmn32480|sleepin greatfully accepts the rubber hose and thinks about beating himself wiht it for not having any gas in the shed
[04:29:25] <Bytram> but seriously, better to find out about it now rather than when you needed it.
[04:29:29] <Bytram> be well and sleep tight.
[04:29:33] <cmn32480|sleepin> you too bytram
[04:29:41] <cmn32480|sleepin> talk to you tomorrow hoepfully
[04:29:48] <Bytram> hope so!
[04:30:05] <Bytram> Now go to bed young man! Don't make me come in there, ya hear?
[04:30:11] <Bytram> =)
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[12:25:09] <cmn32480> wassssssssssusp!
[12:26:41] <cmn32480> or rather
[12:26:44] <cmn32480> janrinok !!
[12:26:46] <janrinok> cmn32480: !!
[12:26:57] <janrinok> I wasn't sure if the wassssssssssup was to me...
[12:27:08] <cmn32480> papercut + hand sanitizer = OUCH!
[12:27:37] <janrinok> at least that is better than getting gas in it - oh right, you have no gas ....
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[12:27:54] <cmn32480> YAY!!!!! Bender was back for a minute
[12:28:05] <janrinok> guess Bender is not a long-duration bot
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[12:28:19] <cmn32480> premature exitation?
[12:28:32] <janrinok> stops them from breeding though
[12:28:45] <cmn32480> whcih prevents the formation of skynet
[12:28:54] <janrinok> so win-win all round
[12:29:46] <cmn32480> pretty much... but i screws up the karma counts
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[14:59:42] <Bytram> cmn32480: I just noticed that the "Windows Action Center" says I've got 5 things to do, one of which is "Install video card driver"
[14:59:46] * Bytram is nervous about thatone.
[14:59:58] <cmn32480> don't be nervous/
[15:00:03] <cmn32480> pull the one from support.dell.com
[15:00:15] <cmn32480> get the one that is specific to your service tag
[15:00:22] <Bytram> k
[15:00:22] <cmn32480> windows update may also have one
[15:01:11] <Bytram> looks like this one is from NVidia: pasting...
[15:01:11] <Bytram>
[15:01:11] <Bytram> Download and install the driver for your video card
[15:01:11] <Bytram> Your video card is missing a driver.
[15:01:11] <Bytram> Tap or click to download and install the new driver from the NVidia websiteTap or click to download and install the new driver from the NVidia website
[15:01:12] <Bytram> Download instructions
[15:01:14] <Bytram> Tap or click Run or Open. If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
[15:01:17] <Bytram> Follow the steps in the installation wizard.
[15:01:19] <Bytram> Additional info
[15:01:21] <Bytram> About your video card
[15:01:23] <Bytram> The model name of your video card is NVIDIA GeForce/Quadro.
[15:01:25] <Bytram> What is a driver?
[15:01:27] <Bytram> A driver is software that allows your computer to communicate with hardware or devices. Without drivers, the hardware you connect to your computer (for example, a video card or a webcam) won't work properly.
[15:01:30] <Bytram>
[15:01:34] <Bytram> done.
[15:02:26] <Bytram> okay, it looks like I have "generic driver software" installed atm
[15:07:33] * Bytram loads support.dell.com
[15:07:42] * Bytram looks for service tag
[15:10:32] <cmn32480> I forgot that laptop has an nvidia card in it
[15:10:40] <Bytram> dell system detect -- wants to be able to download/change software at any time without notice. ain't gonna happen.
[15:10:47] <cmn32480> no
[15:10:52] * Bytram looks for service tag again.
[15:11:07] <cmn32480> shoudl be on a white sticker
[15:11:07] * Bytram has to pull some cable to be able to look underneath.
[15:11:08] <Bytram> brb
[15:12:19] <Bytram> I see one with a god-awful long bunch of barely legible characters and a bar code on the bottom.
[15:12:25] <cmn32480> no
[15:12:32] <cmn32480> shoudl be about 8 characters
[15:13:00] <cmn32480> 1GCPQ22 probably
[15:13:03] * Bytram looks again
[15:13:37] <cmn32480> same label as the express service code
[15:18:08] * Bytram notes it is very worn but lookslike: B6K0QJ1
[15:18:23] <cmn32480> yes that sounds familiar
[15:18:39] <cmn32480> shoudl also be on a white sticker under the battery, if I recall correctly
[15:18:59] <Bytram> kinda hard to look at that atm =)
[15:19:15] <Bytram> hmmm, but I think i may have taken pics earlier... !!
[15:19:21] <cmn32480> if you are plugged into electric, you can remove the battery
[15:21:39] <Bytram> ahha! pics to the rescue! /me documents almost everythng!
[15:22:22] <Bytram> yep, looks like I had it correct. =)
[15:23:34] * Bytram clicks (w/o spaces): http:// www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/servicetag/ B6K0 QJ1
[15:29:09] <Bytram> looks like Dell thinks it has a "Standard VGA Graphics Adapter"
[15:29:27] <cmn32480> <sigh>
[15:30:14] <Bytram> and, it thjnks I havce Win 7 Ultimate.
[15:30:25] * Bytram is not worried
[15:30:27] <cmn32480> http://downloads.dell.com
[15:30:31] <cmn32480> that is the one youi want
[15:30:46] <cmn32480> http://downloads.dell.com
[15:30:53] <cmn32480> and that is the security patch to install after
[15:31:01] <Bytram> k
[15:33:22] <Bytram> thanks so much for the help!
[15:33:47] <cmn32480> no problem. I was enghrossed in somethign I am working on and didn't realize you were having a time of finding them
[15:34:02] <Bytram> I apologize for th interruption.
[15:34:19] <cmn32480> not an issue I got up for more coffee adn read the backscroll
[15:34:35] <Bytram> I would like you to know that, knock on wood, it's given me no problems so far -- has been running like a champ and MUCH faster than the old lappy!!!!!
[15:34:36] <cmn32480> and only then comprehended what was happening
[15:34:55] <Bytram> download eta: 45minutes.
[15:34:56] <cmn32480> excellent :-)
[15:35:00] <cmn32480> yick
[15:35:20] <Bytram> yeah. not much else can be said.
[15:36:09] <cmn32480> mayboe one of these days bytram will either upgrade his phone or his internet connection
[15:36:23] <Bytram> it swings from 35KB/sec to about 100KB/sec am now kinda steady at 60KB/sec
[15:36:43] <Bytram> it is working its way up the priority list!
[15:36:49] <cmn32480> right.. but an upgraded phone plane will give you the ability to tether at 4g
[15:37:34] <cmn32480> but you gotta watch your data usage or you can hit your cap pretty quick
[15:37:45] <Bytram> agreed. but Android has issues with vendor support, I don't trust google one iota, and I dislike Apple's walled garden approach and now MS is taking the same approach...
[15:38:13] <Bytram> so would eaither have to go with BlackBerry again or maybe get Cyanogenmod, but they've joined up with MS, so Ick.
[15:38:35] <cmn32480> what do you mean vendor support?
[15:38:39] <nick> cyanogenmod joined with ms?
[15:38:56] <cmn32480> MS dumped a metric shitton of $$ inot them a few months back
[15:39:04] <nick> lame
[15:39:36] <Bytram> there's a recent bug report of StageFright bug that lets specially crafted MMS msg pwn your phone -- Google has a fix for the 1.0 verison, but say, Sony, has to check it out before/if they ever push it out to the users.
[15:39:56] <cmn32480> correct
[15:39:58] <Bytram> and now there's stagefright 2.0 that is curently unpatched
[15:40:07] <cmn32480> unless you get one of the new nexus phones that are coming out next year
[15:40:17] <cmn32480> then google handles all that
[15:40:27] <cmn32480> how much you trust them, well that si up to you
[15:40:36] <Bytram> I'm now leaning to getting a cable modem with a separate firewall box between the modem and any of my systems.
[15:40:48] <Bytram> such as they are atm!
[15:40:56] * Bytram can dream!
[15:41:04] <nick> i dont trust any new hardware it seems
[15:41:11] <cmn32480> consumer router/firewals are fairly inexpensive
[15:41:28] <cmn32480> vbytram might even go wireless!@
[15:41:36] <Bytram> should prolly get one that support dd-wrt before the new FCC regs interfere
[15:42:09] <Bytram> apparently some people hav been tweaking settings for higher-than-allowed power settings
[15:42:11] <cmn32480> i'm prety sure that is gonna be a toothless set of regulations
[15:42:43] <cmn32480> if they are going to start cracking down on that.. they need to visist nearly every warehouse I have ever worked in
[15:42:56] <cmn32480> people cranks the power on stuff all the time
[15:43:04] <Bytram> sadly, I'm only about 200 yards from a phone central office, but it looks liek the best DSL I can get is about 3Mbps
[15:43:19] <Bytram> :/
[15:44:01] <nick> bastards
[15:44:03] <Bytram> Since it is a bit downhill from where I am, I could prolly throw a rock and actually hit it from the front door!
[15:44:35] <cmn32480> you shoudl do that. get their attention
[15:44:46] <Bytram> LOL!!
[15:45:12] * Bytram will wait for the dark of night during a power outage -- sneaks up ons them and go 'Boo!'
[15:45:18] <cmn32480> I did an outdoor survey for a customer once where we used an enterprise grade outdoor access point.
[15:45:23] <cmn32480> 8dB antennas
[15:45:33] <cmn32480> 30dB radio
[15:45:49] <cmn32480> so 38dB in total
[15:45:59] <cmn32480> 20dB is 100mW
[15:46:06] <cmn32480> 23 = 200
[15:46:09] <cmn32480> 26 = 400
[15:46:17] <cmn32480> 29 = 800
[15:46:23] <cmn32480> 32 = 1600
[15:46:31] <cmn32480> 35 = 3200
[15:46:40] <cmn32480> 38 = 6400
[15:46:45] <Bytram> so, 6.4 Watts?
[15:46:49] <cmn32480> we were transmitting 6.4 Watts
[15:46:54] <Bytram> =)
[15:47:34] <cmn32480> got distances of about 1200 yards from the AP
[15:48:14] <cmn32480> I was getting a usable signal half a mile away.
[15:48:16] * nick thinks a career as a roadie is not in his future
[15:48:16] <Bytram> oh? oh!! WOW! and that is a wide dispersal or directed?
[15:48:30] <cmn32480> this was omni-directional
[15:48:35] <Bytram> holy cow!
[15:48:38] <Bytram> !moo
[15:48:42] <Bytram> ~moo
[15:48:49] <cmn32480> but we could have used a directional antenna and gone significanlty higher
[15:48:50] <Bytram> !moosay wow
[15:48:53] <Bytram> nvm
[15:49:00] <Bytram> nod nod
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[15:49:39] <exec> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[15:49:46] <Bytram> so, I just needs to put one of those on top of the CO building and I'll be good to go!
[15:50:05] <cmn32480> if you can hit it with a rock, you don't need anythign NEAR that powerful
[15:50:14] <Bytram> yeah, j/k
[15:50:17] <cmn32480> unless you wanna cook hotdogs
[15:50:29] <Bytram> or make s'mores?
[15:50:37] <cmn32480> uh huh
[15:50:57] <cmn32480> nick - guitar giving you problems?
[15:51:07] <Bytram> IIRC, that is how microwave cooking was discovered. A Raytheon engineer noticed a candy bar melted when near a magnetron.
[15:51:21] <cmn32480> i believe it was somethign like that
[15:51:37] <cmn32480> one of tyhose accidental dsiscoveries that has become indispensible
[15:51:45] <cmn32480> like penicillan
[15:51:58] <Bytram> remind me to not look directly into a magnetron -- cooked eyeballs do not sound like a good idea.
[15:52:10] <cmn32480> but they sound kinda yummy....
[15:52:31] <cmn32480> I kid,. I kid
[15:52:41] <Bytram> ewwww!
[15:52:49] <cmn32480> though perhaps with some fava beans and a nice chianti...
[15:53:35] <nick> no problems, just very slow at restringing
[15:56:06] <nick> dont seem to have any guitar picks around here though :/
[16:02:16] <cmn32480> I can send you one.
[16:02:22] <cmn32480> be there in 4-6 weeks
[16:04:20] <nick> i found one
[16:04:31] <cmn32480> I'll cancel the shipment
[16:05:02] <nick> person whos guitar it is has a serious issue with picks, decided that finger picking is the only legit way to play guitar
[16:05:46] <cmn32480> so he doesn't have fingers anymore... only callouses?
[16:07:24] <nick> actually no, he mostly plays acoustic very lightly so its not too punishing on the fingers
[16:16:15] <nick> as someone who doesnt like using a pick for playing bass, i get it, but i also understand a pick is the best way to play some things and achieve the right sound
[16:18:33] <nick> he however doesnt seem to get that, mainly because he doesnt seem to understand why anyone would want to play anything but modern acoustic folk
[16:18:36] * Bytram notes that it looks like there is only 5 more minutes on the driver download =)
[16:19:00] <cmn32480> so his genre of choice never requires it.
[16:19:05] <cmn32480> that explains it
[16:19:25] <cmn32480> shame that he is missing out on some thigns he might enjoy by not trying new things
[16:19:42] <nick> oh, he's well aware of all these things
[16:19:54] <nick> the acoustic folk is a very new thing for him really
[16:19:56] <nick> only this year
[16:20:01] <cmn32480> interesting
[16:20:25] <nick> i really get why he likes it, but now he's discovered it, he cant understand why people still listen to anything else
[16:20:34] <nick> thats kind of his logic i think
[16:20:58] <cmn32480> the answer: just to piss him off
[16:21:06] <nick> but it is very narrowly focused into just a couple of artists
[16:21:10] <nick> so it's not even the whole genre
[16:21:16] <cmn32480> ahhhhh
[16:22:17] <nick> im more about the heavy shit when i play, but i see why other people dont enjoy it
[16:22:23] <nick> or prefer different stuff
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[17:03:44] <Bytram> cmn32480: okay, I have finished the DL of the video card driver (but not yet installed)... what does the security patch do?
[17:04:11] <cmn32480> fixes a security problem in the driver
[17:04:34] <Bytram> oh, that's good to know!
[17:04:38] * Bytram goes to download that.
[17:04:50] <cmn32480> what else would a security patch do?
[17:05:19] <Bytram> for all I knew, it fixed a bug in the mouse driver or somesuch.
[17:05:40] <cmn32480> all you asked about was video drivers.
[17:05:45] <cmn32480> that was all I look ed at.
[17:06:20] <Bytram> I see that I now, but I wasn't able to watch what you did! I appreciate your thoroughness!
[17:06:38] <cmn32480> :-)
[17:07:15] <Bytram> oooh, a 'small' one... only 5 MB.
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[21:29:25] <Bytram> cmn32480: FYI, thanks for the pointer to the driver on the dell site, but come to find out it was backlevel from what you had installed. It wanted to download new drivers from the NVidia web site.
[21:29:34] <Bytram> this one is only 190 MB. =)
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[21:54:13] * Bytram notes they have a nice fat pipe, or I just got lucky on my connection; just over 12 minutes to go.
[22:08:27] <cmn32480> ugh
[22:27:35] <Bytram> wtf? the NVidia installer says, for the graphics Driver, that the new version is 275.33 and the current version is 327.02
[22:27:46] <Bytram> ditto for the 3D Vision Driver
[22:28:18] <Bytram> break time -- me goes to ponder.
[22:33:05] <Bytram> sense no makes.
[22:33:09] * Bytram cancels the update
[22:50:37] * nick yawn
[23:03:05] * Bytram helpfully offers a hot cup of tea to nick
[23:04:52] <nick> bytram++
[23:04:52] <Bender> karma - bytram: 18
[23:05:41] <cmn32480> cup of tea souns like a good idea
[23:09:36] * nick is currently trying to find a windows vps provider that isnt a rip-off
[23:10:11] <cmn32480> good luck with that
[23:10:21] <cmn32480> I've yet to find one....
[23:10:25] <nick> yeah
[23:10:32] <cmn32480> if you do come across one, let me know.
[23:12:36] <nick> is like every host sucks
[23:12:49] <nick> maybe its always been this way
[23:13:09] <cmn32480> for windows? yes, it has
[23:13:16] <cmn32480> probably due ot the cost of the licensing
[23:13:43] <cmn32480> hosting CentOS or Ubuntu is cheap... hardware... bandwidth... no cost to the software
[23:13:43] <nick> leaseweb is the best value ive found but their reputation appears quite mixed
[23:14:19] <cmn32480> off to dinner
[23:14:22] <cmn32480> back in a bit
[23:14:27] <nick> enjoy
[23:51:17] <cmn32480> bacl
[23:56:25] <nick> wb
[23:56:47] <cmn32480> thank you kind sir
[23:57:58] <Bytram> nick: fwiw, I have used bluehost, but mostly as a mail server
[23:58:40] <nick> thanks Bytram
[23:59:32] <Bytram> i think i stil hav something up on GoDaddy, but it was primarily just to snag and hld a domain name
[23:59:36] <Bytram> *hold