#editorial | Logs for 2015-09-23
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[01:56:51] <takyon> took breaking news off 4chan story, added Security
[01:57:02] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:57:03] <Schwifty> ^ 03Hackers upload bot code to Imgur in 8Chan attack • The Register
[01:57:10] <takyon> reg published that just now if you need a better source in there
[02:01:07] <takyon> nvm, I added two newer articles myself
[07:28:17] zz_janrinok is now known as janrinok
[07:31:12] <janrinok> takyon: All Editors: Please remember that some use the 'BREAKING NEWS' tag from our front page and RSS feeds to trigger alerts on their computers/cell/device. Please don't issue stories as BN unless you personally would like to be interrupted during a meeting or during a meal to be told some trivial news that doesn't deserve it.
[07:33:55] <janrinok> If we overdo the usage of BN, it becomes worthless. Suggesting that people 'block' the BN nexus is also defeating the point of it. People DO want BN, but they want it to be 'important and relevant' BN.
[07:35:32] <janrinok> The vast majority of what we push out is News, but it is not Breaking News.
[11:33:52] <cmn32480|home> janrinok !!
[11:33:56] cmn32480|home is now known as cmn32480
[11:53:38] <janrinok> cmn32480: !! - have just finished my nap :)
[11:53:49] <cmn32480> must be rough!
[11:53:54] <janrinok> life is hell
[11:54:50] <janrinok> how's things today?
[11:55:11] <cmn32480> my first call came in 30 minutes ago
[11:55:22] <cmn32480> generally not a good sign! :-)
[11:55:41] <janrinok> so already knee-deep in someone else's problems
[11:56:19] <janrinok> brb
[11:56:33] <cmn32480> pretty much!
[12:00:38] <janrinok> k
[12:03:46] <janrinok> queues are full for another 12 hours+, things a looking good on the site
[12:04:09] <cmn32480> thanks. I filled in through this morning before leaving the office last night
[12:04:36] <janrinok> yes, noticed. Much appreciated
[12:05:10] <cmn32480> I knew that once I got home the last thing I was going to think about was turnign on my computer. and the first thing I was going to think about was an i-depth study of the inside of my eyelids
[12:05:30] <janrinok> hope you got enough rest
[12:05:45] <cmn32480> yeah. it was good
[12:05:58] <janrinok> how's J and the family?
[12:06:23] <cmn32480> kids don't ahve school today (Jewish Holiday), soi we got to stay up a little later than normal and finish the first Harry Potter book
[12:06:54] <janrinok> bet the enjoyed that!
[12:07:01] <cmn32480> it was a quiet night... only one temper tantrum at bedtime...
[12:07:13] <janrinok> it happens
[12:07:16] <cmn32480> but my daughter hadn't napped, so it was expected
[12:07:26] <cmn32480> "I'm not tired"
[12:07:30] <janrinok> I'm the same :)
[12:07:31] <cmn32480> insert child in bed
[12:07:36] <cmn32480> turn off lights
[12:07:39] <cmn32480> hear snoring
[12:07:40] <cmn32480> close door
[12:08:00] <cmn32480> it was pretty funny
[12:08:16] <janrinok> you two get a bit of quality time together?
[12:09:49] <cmn32480> does snoring count?
[12:09:57] <janrinok> lol - suppose so
[12:10:11] <cmn32480> it was maybe 10? minutes after the kids went to bed that J and I were done too
[12:11:20] <cmn32480> you have a nice nap this morning? you were up rather early
[12:11:54] <cmn32480> and, I comepletely agree with your statements above
[12:12:28] <janrinok> I've just finished my after-lunch nap. I was up at 07:30 as usual, the morning spent doing mostly chores, and the statements above, and to mr c bp on the other channel.
[12:13:03] <cmn32480> crikey... I dind't even look there after I logged in... gonn need another cup of coffee for the scrollback
[12:14:04] <janrinok> quite a bit on DMCA and a little on the BN problem
[12:14:14] <cmn32480> k
[12:22:59] <cmn32480> zoinks... that was a lot of scrollback
[12:23:15] <janrinok> yep, busy, busy
[12:23:41] <cmn32480> took me 8 minutes to read the conversation (mostly) with skipping over some of the legalese parts
[12:24:28] <janrinok> I know, not the most exciting of discussion topics
[12:31:15] <cmn32480> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[12:31:23] <cmn32480> heh.. I passed 500 stories yesterday
[12:32:19] <janrinok> congratulations - I didn't notice that when I looked this morning and I should have done. Any thoughts about how the job compares with what you first thought?
[12:32:58] <cmn32480> many hands make light work... bnut people still ahve to do the heavy lifting
[12:34:04] <janrinok> we all have different calls on our time, as long as we each do what we can I don't think that you will hear any complaints. But your contribution has made a BIG difference over the last few months
[12:35:46] <janrinok> just imagine how much easier it would be if all the qualified eds could chip in most of the time. But it will remain a dream
[12:39:46] <cmn32480> meh... as long as the subs are of a quality that dfoes not require hours of work, it shoudln't be too big an issue
[12:39:56] <cmn32480> but I do appreciate the kind words
[12:41:34] <janrinok> true, but the quality, as you know, can change in an instant. We are currently doing OK.
[12:47:25] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[12:48:11] <janrinok> Bytram: !!
[12:48:19] <Bytram> janrinok: !!
[12:48:30] <janrinok> how's thing my friend
[12:48:35] <Bytram> busy reading atm; give me a couple three minutes
[12:48:36] <janrinok> things*
[12:48:40] <janrinok> k
[12:48:53] <cmn32480> bytram !!
[12:51:08] <janrinok> he's currently on the other chan
[12:52:48] <janrinok> time for tea!
[12:52:51] <janrinok> brb
[12:55:05] <Bytram> cmn32480: !!
[12:55:09] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:55:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 23
[12:55:12] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:55:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 24
[12:55:19] <Bytram> it's a double-cupper this AM
[12:55:25] <Bytram> nograb
[12:55:47] * Bytram goes to fetch some coffee
[12:56:39] <cmn32480> coffee++
[12:56:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 25
[12:58:39] * Bytram needed to brew another pot of coffee
[12:59:26] <Bytram> back.
[12:59:35] <cmn32480> welcome
[12:59:37] <Bytram> and front and sideways, too, I supposed.
[12:59:53] <cmn32480> glad to hear that all of you is here.
[13:00:30] <Bytram> I got pretty much a full nights' sleep last night, but today will be my 6th day in a row and I be dragging just a bit.
[13:00:48] <janrinok> understandable - when is your next day off?
[13:00:48] <cmn32480> I assume youi mean at work?
[13:00:56] <Bytram> I suppose it's better to be dragging than to be a dragon,. =)
[13:01:04] <Bytram> I have tomorrow off.
[13:01:35] <Bytram> yes, those would be 'days' at work.
[13:02:06] <Bytram> but, we have varying schedules at work, so a couple of those 'days' were noon-ish to 9:15pm.
[13:03:41] <Bytram> I have a windows puzzle I'm trying to sort out...
[13:03:54] <Bytram> I regularly download some information from the net.
[13:04:00] <cmn32480> ok
[13:04:10] <Bytram> I have a directory, %HOMEDIR%\foo
[13:04:23] <cmn32480> k
[13:04:28] <Bytram> under that, I create subdirs based on the date: yyyymmddv
[13:04:43] <Bytram> eg. 20150923a, then if needed, 20150923b, etc.
[13:04:47] <cmn32480> k
[13:04:59] <Bytram> there's also files in that foo dir
[13:05:42] <Bytram> when navigating to the last-created dir, using a program's save as dialog box, I now need to scroll through several pages of dirs to get to the latest yyyymmddv dir
[13:06:01] <janrinok> with you so far
[13:06:07] <Bytram> and, I can't just hit 'End' cause there a bunch of files there, and I need to page back up.
[13:06:22] <Bytram> so, I am familiar with the Unix 'ln' (link) command.
[13:06:39] <Bytram> windows provides the 'mklink' command but it apparently has two 'flavours'
[13:06:45] <Bytram> symbolic link and junction
[13:06:58] <Bytram> I'm envsioning doing something like:
[13:07:07] <Bytram> mklink _latest 20140923a
[13:07:21] <Bytram> the underscore would put it at the TOP of the dir list.
[13:07:24] <janrinok> best you tell us what you want to achieve before how to suggest achieving it
[13:07:34] <Bytram> just did.
[13:07:39] <Bytram> sorry,
[13:07:48] <janrinok> you want the latest at the top?
[13:07:59] <Bytram> I want tomake a 'directory' entry that appears at the top of the dir list which links to the last-created dir.
[13:08:02] <cmn32480> assuming that the directories are all named yyyymmdd, is that correct?
[13:08:07] <Bytram> yes!
[13:08:27] <cmn32480> you know the letter of the first file name?
[13:08:40] <janrinok> does windows have the option to just display directories and not dirs and files?
[13:08:50] <Bytram> I have batch progs I invoke to create the new dir and pre-populate it with assorted utilities
[13:09:14] <Bytram> at the command line, yes, but I do not know of a way to to do that in a File / Save as... dialog box.
[13:09:54] <Bytram> so, the question is what are the benefits/downfalls of using a symbolic link versus a junction?
[13:09:58] <janrinok> I'm not sure a link is what you are looking for, it would get very messy very quickly
[13:10:14] <cmn32480> when in the save as dialogue, while having the directory/file listing highlighted, press the firsdt letter of the name of the first file, then go back 1 line to get to the last directory
[13:10:39] <Bytram> it *seems* tome in my case, that either would be functionally equivalent, but I suspect there might be something that I am missing, so I am looking for any experience you may have which can help me avoid a 'gotcha!'
[13:10:53] <janrinok> or start typing the yyyymmdd
[13:12:06] <janrinok> you need a fixed 'label' e.g. _latest. Then update that link each time you save a new directory?
[13:12:26] <Bytram> yeah, that could kinda work, but I use the paradigm all over the place and am looking for a generic solution that would work across them all, and I'm trying to avoid having to type the whole dir name in the first place.
[13:12:32] <Bytram> EXACTLY!
[13:13:16] <Bytram> so, should I 'junction' or symlink?
[13:13:17] <janrinok> if your batch program is saving the data, it should only be a few lines to delete the existing link to _latest, and to create a new one to the new data
[13:13:23] <janrinok> symlink
[13:13:25] <Bytram> mklink _latest 20150923a
[13:13:27] <Bytram> OR
[13:13:33] <Bytram> mklink /J _latest 20150923a
[13:13:48] <janrinok> don't know mklink so I can't comment on the actual script
[13:14:00] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:14:14] <Bytram> janrinok: you were quick in saying symlink... your thinking?
[13:14:47] <janrinok> but a symbolic link is what you need. The 'junction' I will assume is like a hard link in linux. It links to a specific inode on the disk. You don't care where it is on the disk, you just want to get to your data
[13:15:17] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:15:35] <Bytram> hard link in linux is created with 'ln', right?
[13:15:54] <janrinok> you should be working at the abstracted level i.e. your directory name, rather than to a block of data on the hard drive
[13:16:14] <janrinok> they are both created with 'ln' but a symbolic has the arg -s as well
[13:16:21] <Bytram> now THAT makes sense
[13:17:04] <janrinok> not often I get accused of making sense - I must have said it wrong then
[13:17:39] <Bytram> all the information I had found so far assumed the reader knew what a 'symbolic link' was, and lacked any explanation of it.
[13:18:17] <janrinok> if you move the directory (in hardware terms) the sym link will still work.
[13:18:18] <Bytram> I'm a data kind of guy. give me EXAMPLES, which cover the sample-space of arguments and effects and I can deduce the functioning from THAT.
[13:18:28] <Bytram> oh.
[13:18:36] <Bytram> roh roh.
[13:18:49] <Bytram> so, continuing from the prior example...
[13:18:49] <janrinok> A hard link is to a location on the drive, if you move the directory to a different inode then the hard link will fail
[13:18:57] <Bytram> mkdir %HOEMDIR$\bar
[13:19:12] <Bytram> restart
[13:19:21] <Bytram> cd %HOMEDIR%
[13:19:24] <Bytram> mkdir foo
[13:19:26] <Bytram> cd foo
[13:19:31] <Bytram> mkdir 20150923a
[13:19:31] <janrinok> imaging you are compressing your hard drive. the directory name will not change, but its location might
[13:19:38] <Bytram> cd 20150923a
[13:19:40] <janrinok> imagine*
[13:19:42] <Bytram> touch foo.txt
[13:19:43] <Bytram> cd ..
[13:19:50] <Bytram> cd %homedir%
[13:19:52] <Bytram> mkdir bar
[13:20:05] <Bytram> mv foo bar
[13:20:10] <Bytram> nope
[13:20:15] <Bytram> mv foo bar\foo
[13:20:45] <Bytram> if I create a new subdir and move the old one under it... what happens to the symlinks... do they still point to the old place?
[13:20:45] <janrinok> no, that will still fail. you have changed the 'path' to include 'bar'
[13:20:51] <Bytram> k
[13:20:56] <Bytram> I gtg; phone call.
[13:20:58] <Bytram> baib
[13:21:00] <Bytram> biab
[13:21:05] <Bytram> thanks for the info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:21:23] * cmn32480 wishes he could schedule his phone calls
[13:21:32] <janrinok> if you change the path to something pointed to by a symlink, it will become a dead link
[13:32:42] <janrinok> cmn32480: yeah, Bytram seems to have the phone calls well organised. I wish, like yourself, I could do the same.
[13:55:17] <cmn32480> I agree on the wine story.
[13:55:23] <cmn32480> I suggest declining it.
[14:00:22] <janrinok> go for it
[14:01:21] <janrinok> its gone
[14:02:44] <janrinok> we haven't got the 'Rejection Reason' on prod yet, have we?
[14:02:49] <cmn32480> no
[14:02:51] <cmn32480> dev only
[14:03:01] <cmn32480> Declined reason, you mean
[14:03:03] <janrinok> oh. good, because it didn't ask me for anything
[14:03:12] <cmn32480> he might wine about it
[14:03:16] <janrinok> sorry - 'Declined'
[14:03:34] <janrinok> or go red in the face
[14:03:54] <janrinok> or even all white in shock
[14:04:37] <cmn32480> but I beleive that the reason would have been "here is some cheese to go with your whine"
[14:05:13] <janrinok> lol - you going to hand it to him on a platter?
[14:06:30] <janrinok> cmn32480: mr c bp has responded on the other chan regarding BN. It is only to be used in exceptional circumstances and not as a routine way of publishing stories
[14:11:12] <janrinok> ALL EDITORS: Following discussions with Mr c bp, the BreakingNews nexus is only to be used in exceptional circumstances when important and time critical information must be published. Existing stories should be delayed or moved to enable the BN to go out immediately. Eds are asked to assist by 2nd'ing BN stories whenever they can please.
[14:13:16] <cmn32480> bueno!
[14:13:44] <janrinok> cmn32480: interesting story in the sub queue 'Selfies kill more people than shark attacks'
[14:14:54] <cmn32480> Darwin at his finest!
[14:14:57] <janrinok> lol
[14:15:10] <janrinok> he will be chuckling in his grave
[14:16:07] <cmn32480> the selfie craze mystifies me
[14:16:21] <cmn32480> as does the duck lips selfie
[14:17:10] <janrinok> well, as the only cameras I own are Nikon SLRs, it is not something that I have even attempted. But I remain as confused as you are. They will have pictures of themselves in places that they cannot remember ever seeing...
[14:18:12] <cmn32480> our main camera is a Nikon DSLR... and it is most certainly NOT a selfie camera
[14:18:20] <janrinok> ditto
[14:19:00] <janrinok> I used to do a lot of photography - still have all my darkroom equipment. Not as much time now as I would like.
[14:20:44] <janrinok> ... or perhaps I should just leave the computer switched off more and get out of my basement
[14:21:30] <cmn32480> upside: it is your basement and not your parents
[14:21:36] <janrinok> good point
[14:22:29] <janrinok> actually, although most of my computers _are_ in my basement, I tend to work from a corner of my bedroom now, as it is the room adjacent to S
[14:23:02] <cmn32480> hmmm... there might be a logical reason in there somewhere....
[14:24:19] <janrinok> well, the basement used to be my 'nerve centre' and workshop. I've had to spend more time upstairs now because S can fall forward in her chair and is unable to sit up again or call out.
[14:25:01] <janrinok> a new chair is being constructed especially for her as we speak
[14:26:21] <cmn32480> she is a very lucky woman to have a caring husband like you
[14:27:37] <janrinok> yep, she is stuck with me now. Can't escape even if she wants to. :)
[14:33:51] <cmn32480> so what is special about the chair, exactly?
[14:41:17] <janrinok> if is fitted to her body shape (which is slightly twisted) and has a 'seat belt' to ensure that she doesn't fall forward.
[14:41:32] <cmn32480> ahh
[14:41:34] <cmn32480> understood
[14:42:07] <janrinok> she had different muscle power on each side of her body, so the lhs is tending to be weaker than the rhs.
[14:42:44] <janrinok> to counter that, the new seat supports her better, and prevents further twisting
[14:43:13] <cmn32480> ok
[14:43:28] <janrinok> the twisting is not obvious to the casual observer, but it can be easily demonstrated and measured.
[14:43:33] <cmn32480> whcih, I assume, will make her more comfortable as well
[14:43:42] <janrinok> hopefully
[14:43:55] <janrinok> brb
[14:43:58] <cmn32480> okie
[14:47:43] <janrinok> at this time of the day, she has been in the chair for 8 hours and that is about her limit without significant discomfort. The nurse is due to transfer her to bed and S will spend the first 30 minutes or so relaxing and straightening her body.
[14:48:31] <janrinok> then, we have our evening meal which is followed, for her, by an evening of TV and for me, more time on here
[14:49:06] <cmn32480> adn what fine deicacy do you ahve on tap for this evening?
[14:49:40] <janrinok> pasta with spinach, chicken and another veg as yet to be decided
[14:50:09] * Bytram returns.
[14:50:15] <janrinok> all done Italian style tonight - which might be a mistake as tomorrow night is pizza night.
[14:50:27] <Bytram> make a mexican style pizza?
[14:50:38] <Bytram> use salsa for the sauce. =)
[14:50:50] <cmn32480> italian as in red sauce or with an oil?
[14:51:15] <janrinok> I don't do any cooking on Thursdays - it's my day off. And in rural Fr, pizzas don't come with such a variety as you might be used to
[14:51:27] <Bytram> nodnod
[14:51:52] <Bytram> btw, I am about to give the journal disclaimer notice another try on dev.
[14:51:59] <janrinok> chicken will be done in a tomato sauce with oregano, garlic etcd
[14:52:10] <Bytram> yummy!!!
[14:52:23] <janrinok> Bytram: regarding the problems the other day, they might not have been as a result of the changes you made.
[14:52:43] <Bytram> were there other issues with dev?
[14:53:10] <Bytram> I as racking my brains and there was just no way that I could see making the change that I made should have anything like the effects that were noted.
[14:53:16] <Bytram> s/as/was/
[14:53:18] <janrinok> no, I suspect that the problem lay with my browser which has now been updated
[14:53:30] <cmn32480> aren't there ALWAYS oddities on dev?
[14:53:31] <Bytram> interesting! what do you use?
[14:53:52] <Bytram> well, since it tends to be us who are logged on there, I guess it would go without saying, no?
[14:54:07] <janrinok> I've got FF and PM, but I was using FF at the time. I had problems on other sites so I am not sure that SN was to blame
[14:54:53] <Bytram> got it... what OS?
[14:55:04] <janrinok> Bytram: were you happy with my explanation regarding links earlier?
[14:55:12] <Bytram> yes, thanks!
[14:55:23] <janrinok> ubuntu-14.04 with MATE desktop
[14:55:23] <Bytram> hold on a sec...
[14:56:40] <Bytram> I'm about to hit save to changes made with the topic editor on dev.soylentnes.org to template #93; it is the inclusion of the following line immediately after: <div id="journalgeneric">
[14:56:41] <Bytram> <p><b>The Fine Print:</b> The following are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.</p>
[14:56:41] <cmn32480> what happens if we let go? how big is the drop?
[14:57:10] * Bytram clicks 'Save Template'
[14:57:14] <janrinok> too late, my finger tips gave out on me
[14:57:26] <janrinok> brb - nurse is here
[14:57:28] <cmn32480> it shows
[14:57:29] <Bytram> go ask Alice... when she's 10 feet tall.
[14:57:40] <cmn32480> the fine print, I mean
[14:57:58] <Bytram> janrinok: yes, I am. And it succeeded in pointing out a potential problem.
[14:58:52] <Bytram> I have been known, on occasion, to rethink my dir/folder hierarchy and it seems that if I use symbolic links, they would get broken if I were to move the directory tree to a new location. that is a deal breaker for me.
[14:59:49] <Bytram> So, it seems that I need to use a Junction, but now I am curious as to whether there may be any 'gotchas' with that?
[15:00:43] <Bytram> otoh, if I should choose to use asymlink, it would only manifest once, I'd see the breakage, repoint it, and life would be good again, so it would not be the end of the world should I choose to go with symlinks.
[15:01:19] <cmn32480> i do believe that we call this "The Paralysis of Analysis"
[15:01:55] <Bytram> btw, the template change is saved. Please feel free to let me know if you find any issues with the message prefacing journals; same message and location as the last time, at the top of the Journal page.
[15:02:41] <cmn32480> shouldn't it be "whomever"?
[15:03:26] <Bytram> I am quite familiar with that concept, but I have unknowingly blown off my feet on prior occasions, so before I make a change in my design/implementation patterns, I want to go in with eyes wide open!
[15:03:28] <Bytram> cmn32480: nope.
[15:03:40] * cmn32480 defers to the grammar nazi
[15:04:51] <Bytram> is owned by "whoever posted them" -- in this case, whoever is the Subject of the *phrase*; the *phrase* is the object of "owned by"
[15:05:24] <Bytram> yeah, it has been a long-standing 'urk?' for me, too!
[15:05:29] <cmn32480> i looked it up... you are right
[15:05:48] <Bytram> kewel! Wher did u find it?
[15:05:59] <cmn32480> http://www.grammarbook.com
[15:06:00] <Schwifty> ^ 03Whoever vs. Whomever | Grammar Rules
[15:08:15] <Bytram> thanks for that! it's still an area of grammar where my head goes 'huh?' and I have to think it through each time -- still not an automatic thing for me.
[15:08:43] <cmn32480> agreed. never has been forf me either
[15:08:57] <cmn32480> and I always ask the question, and am almost always wrong
[15:09:11] <Bytram> this, too, shall pass!
[15:11:21] <cmn32480> unless Gandalf is in the way... then none shall pass!
[15:11:35] <Bytram> ok, please have fun beating on the disclaimer. I got to hit the showers and get ready for work. Ping me if you find anything.
[15:12:41] <Bytram> aaand, I just found something. When I look at the journal entries for PJ (a fan and also a friend-of-a-friend), I do not see the disclaimer... but it seems to be loading the same template!?!!
[15:13:10] <Bytram> cmn32480: speak friend and enter? ;)
[15:13:13] <Bytram> ok gtg
[15:13:16] <Bytram> baiab
[15:13:19] <cmn32480> c-ya Bytram
[15:13:23] <Bytram> biab
[15:13:26] <Bytram> ciao for now!
[15:16:39] * janrinok thinks Bytram needs to rethink his directory structures. If they are sorted by date, why move them?
[15:17:12] * janrinok thinks that there is probably a good explanation but can't think of one at the moment
[15:18:58] <janrinok> Bytram _for_your_return: if you move the directories using scripts, then the scripts can easily change the symlinks. If you do it manually, then you will have to relink manually too.
[15:25:53] <Bytram> that would be moving the ENTIRE directory TREE, 'foo' under which exist subdirs: 20150921a, 20150922a, 20150922b, 20150923a, *AND* _latest --> 20150923a
[15:27:17] <janrinok> I'm not sure what is in the directories, or why they need to move.
[15:29:15] <janrinok> I'm not doubting your requirement, but I cannot offer suggestions because I'm still not sure what you are trying to achieve
[15:29:21] <Bytram> I sometimes rethink my whole directory structures as time passes and I gather more information, and the old organizational structure no longer suffices. I want to be able to re-balance the encompassing directory tree, under which I have all these YYYYMMDDv subdirs.
[15:29:40] <janrinok> re-balance?
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[15:33:49] <Bytram> yep, here's a subset of work-related stuff, where I have hundreds of instances of yyyymmddv directories, which in the following I have replaced each instance with the pattern 'yyyymmddv' and did a uniq -c on what came out:
[15:33:50] <Bytram> 406 C:\Users\bytram\MYDOCU~1\wordplacename\MSP\AreaScheduleView\yyyymmddv
[15:33:50] <Bytram> 320 C:\Users\bytram\MYDOCU~1\wordplacename\MSP\Schedule\yyyymmddv
[15:33:50] <Bytram> 456 C:\Users\bytram\MYDOCU~1\wordplacename\Schedule\yyyymmddv
[15:33:50] <Bytram> 164 C:\Users\bytram\MYDOCU~1\wordplacename\Schedule\yyyymmddv\BAK
[15:33:51] <Bytram> 305 C:\Users\bytram\MYDOCU~1\wordplacename\Schedule\yyyymmddv\images
[15:33:53] <Bytram> done.
[15:34:30] <janrinok> so what do you mean by re-balance?
[15:34:54] <Bytram> you can see that I had, at one time, had 'schedule' directly under the workplacename level, I later reoriganized the heirarchy and created a new subdir MSP underwhich I created a 'schedule' subdir.
[15:34:55] <Bytram> so,
[15:35:51] <Bytram> if under later circumstances, I discover that there is still more stuff that I want to orgainzie, I want the flexibility to 'pick up', say, the AreaScheduleView tree and move it to someplace else, and have all the _latest links still work.
[15:36:30] <Bytram> oh.
[15:37:11] <janrinok> that is a design problem and not really a coding problem. If you have a data structure that you subsequently change, then there is no amount of linking that will cope with that. The 'experts' will advise that you get your structure decided first and then implement it.
[15:37:53] <janrinok> or, more correctly, none that I know of...
[15:39:01] <Bytram> all the links UNDER AreaScheduleView should move along with that dir, that is the goal. And, with 'normal' dirs and files, that works. I just want to be able to use _latest to point to 20150923a (today) and to 20150924a, tomorrow, and still be able to move the whole AreaScheduleView tree someplace else at a later date, and to be able to do so safely.
[15:39:14] <Bytram> it appears that a symlink would not suffice,
[15:39:16] <janrinok> but the easiest way of implementing a change, is to symlink the entire directory. When you move it, a single link change will take care of it
[15:39:28] <Bytram> but the downside is minimal, it would only manifest when I moved the whole tree structure
[15:39:46] <Bytram> and the only issue would be accessing the latest dir, so it's a minor problem, so long as I remain aware of it.
[15:40:07] <Bytram> mklink _latest 20150923a
[15:40:17] <janrinok> if the path changes then the link will have to change too
[15:40:49] <Bytram> so, it'll say something like 'not found' I'll say huh? Oh yeah. and then fis it when the time comes.
[15:41:13] <janrinok> exactly
[15:41:42] <Bytram> just trying to do potential problem analysis, that's all. I knew I did not fully understand what was happening, and did not want to find myself painted into a corner in the future.
[15:41:58] <Bytram> so, I know better, now thanks to you, and I can proceed with some confidence.
[15:42:03] <janrinok> do you do the moves manually or using scripts?
[15:42:04] <Bytram> janrinok++ THANK YOU!
[15:42:04] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 36
[15:42:35] <janrinok> scripts can detect links and rewrite the ones that change if you want
[15:43:13] <Bytram> the entire-tree-move would be a once-in-a-very-great while thing, but the _latest link would be updated on a near-daily basis
[15:43:37] <Bytram> ahah! that helps a lot. Check before I act. got it.
[15:43:41] <Bytram> ok I really gtg.
[15:43:44] <janrinok> OK, but I've got to go and cook a meal too
[15:43:45] <Bytram> janrinok++
[15:43:45] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 37
[15:43:51] <Bytram> nodnod
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[15:43:58] <Bytram> give S a hug for me while you're at it!
[15:44:02] <janrinok_afk> will do
[16:02:09] <Bytram> janrinok_afk: got it! a inode is where the physical contents of a file resides. A directory entry (filename) points to the inode. A hard-link points to the inode. a symlink points to a *filename*; if I were to move the containing tree, the full path to a file chanes and the symlink would not find TAHT name and it would be a broken link. As a HARDLINK points to the inode, changing the filename does not change the location where the
[16:02:09] <Bytram> file is located, and so all is still well and good.
[16:02:16] <Bytram> janrinok_afk: thanks again@!
[16:02:23] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
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[16:55:47] <janrinok_afk> Bytram|away: exactly! well done. And if you recompress your drive the software will take care of the inode changes.
[17:08:16] <janrinok_afk> BUT - you cannot back it up to another drive, the links will all break.
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[21:36:47] <takyon> c h k
[21:37:02] <cmn32480|home> sup
[21:37:43] <takyon> H R C
[21:37:49] <takyon> F B I
[21:38:01] <takyon> HeHeH
[21:38:09] <cmn32480|home> n s a
[21:38:27] <cmn32480|home> w h a t s a m a t t a u
[21:39:42] <takyon> hadn't heard about the bloodhound car in a while
[21:39:50] <takyon> good to see it's still going on
[21:40:42] <cmn32480|home> yeah, that is pretty neat
[21:47:05] <takyon> christmas treed the queue
[21:47:50] <cmn32480|home> lol
[21:48:09] <cmn32480|home> the bernie sadners artilce is straight off his page nad has nothign to do with the headline.
[21:48:36] <cmn32480|home> it is going in the circular file.
[21:48:45] <takyon> weird, I'm looking at the "core utility" article and I could have sworn Christian Science Monitor was paywalled
[21:48:51] <takyon> guess not
[21:49:26] <cmn32480|home> I dind't have any issues either.
[21:49:50] <cmn32480|home> I gotta get home
[21:50:03] <cmn32480|home> maybe see you later depending on what the wife has in store when I get home.
[21:50:11] <takyon> later