#editorial | Logs for 2015-09-15

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[00:01:32] <Deucalion> Take your skills to UAE - as fast as it can pour off it will evaporate in that arid environment. Just stand outside for a minute then jump into the air-conditioned car :D
[00:02:28] <nick> sounds like my time in Las Vegas, without the air conditioned car.
[00:05:37] <nick> never experienced anything like that, buying a bottle of water and within a couple minutes, too warm to drink.
[00:05:53] <Deucalion> cities in the desert - who would have thought that wouldn't work......
[00:07:28] <Deucalion> Water is never too warm to drink.... unless it burns to ingest. Fuck me, I sound like Bear Grylls or something.... call it a night?
[00:08:56] <nick> still kind of early if you ask me...
[00:09:16] <nick> but you know what i mean, too warm for it to be pleasant and feel refreshing
[00:24:53] <Deucalion> I know what you mean. But I am still exiting to sleepsville right now.
[00:41:12] * nick hat tip
[00:41:22] <nick> take it easy
[01:23:27] <takyon> chk
[01:24:13] <takyon> I like the idea of a politics nexus, since it isn't really covered by anything other than dev/random and News
[01:24:45] <nick> not a fan of the general 'liberty' topic idea?
[01:25:18] <takyon> every liberty thing we post can fall under "digital liberty", "security" or "news"
[01:26:11] <takyon> keep in mind I skimmed the above discussion, didn't read it
[01:26:13] <nick> i guess it depens what do you envision as the content on the political nexus?
[01:26:17] <nick> depends*
[01:27:04] <takyon> I think it should be a place to put stories that already have the political toxin in them, so they can be theoretically ignored
[01:27:10] <takyon> you know it when you see it
[01:27:15] <nick> i like the idea, but i think the articles need to be presented carefully to actually promote constructive discussion, if we're going to use the politics label
[01:27:39] <takyon> I don't see how the label is going to change the nature of the discussion much
[01:27:57] <takyon> if it makes the front page, and it's juicy, like the Hugos stories, there will be a "discussion"
[01:28:04] <takyon> no matter what nexus it goes under
[01:28:11] <nick> right
[01:28:59] <nick> it really does depend on what submissions result from it
[01:29:08] <takyon> all of our nexii make it to the frontpage. and I think the next nexii to be implemented will also do so. it's the hypothetical dwarf fortress nexus or something that would not automatically go to front page
[01:29:36] <nick> right
[01:29:52] <nick> it is about maintaining quality standards at that point
[01:32:04] <nick> can nexuses be disabled in user preferences from showing on main page?
[01:32:12] <takyon> yes
[01:32:27] <nick> that needs to be promoted and reminded when politics becomes a thing
[01:32:31] <takyon> most users probably don't no about it, but it will be reiterated
[01:32:33] <takyon> right
[01:32:40] <nick> because otherwise, that will upset people
[01:33:55] <nick> there is a vocal group that do not like the politics stuff as it is now, so to not cause bad feeling it should be very obvious and easy to disable a nexus.
[01:33:56] <takyon> idk if we reject too many political stories anyway. i guess we would get more political and less tech-oriented stories simply from having the politics nexus
[01:34:23] <takyon> we could simply at a footer to the first 20 politics stories telling you how to disable the nexus in user settings
[01:34:27] <takyon> *have
[01:35:02] <nick> i am up for more politics, but also very aware there is a good number that is not.
[01:37:30] <nick> in an ideal world, it would be good for it to be selectable for everyone, including AC's on the main page as a quick filter
[01:38:15] <takyon> shouldn't be too hard to allow ACs to filter stories, but the system isn't in place
[01:38:23] <takyon> I think it came up in a previous discussion
[01:38:29] <takyon> let me check the main page real fast
[01:41:17] <takyon> not sure if there's anyway to detect it using javascript
[01:45:20] <nick> i think it needs to be seriously considered if we're going to run with a political nexus
[02:07:45] <Bytram> Is this thing on? Testing. one. Two. Three. whiiiiinnnnneeeee. OUch!
[02:08:50] <nick> hey there
[02:08:55] <nick> how goes Bytram?
[02:09:08] <Bytram> good. just got home from work.
[02:10:07] <Bytram> Thought I woudl check in before making dinner. got the early shift tomorrow; back at work in 11.5 hrs
[02:10:13] <Bytram> how are YOU doing?
[02:10:53] <nick> good here, getting tired
[02:10:59] <nick> whats for dinner?
[02:11:49] <Bytram> btw, I can confirm the editor controls are not working as well as I would like when dealing with new submissions. I can enter an editor comment and 'Update' OR I can click 'preview.' Everything else I try to control (topic, story, title, etc. puts me back in the orginal field I stared in.
[02:11:57] <Bytram> chicken nuggets
[02:12:38] <Bytram> brb
[02:14:47] <Bytram> back
[02:39:02] <nick> g'night good people
[02:39:32] * nick hat tip
[02:57:25] <Bytram> nick: and a g'night to you, too!
[02:57:47] <Bytram> sounds like an excellent idea, quite frankly!
[02:57:51] <Bytram> g'night everybody!
[11:34:34] <cmn32480> good morning
[11:52:34] <CoolHand> cmn32480: !!
[11:52:43] <cmn32480> CoolHand !!
[11:52:47] <cmn32480> long time no see
[11:52:51] <cmn32480> how you been?
[11:52:54] <CoolHand> yah... been busy busy
[11:53:00] <CoolHand> work work work
[11:53:08] <CoolHand> hru?
[11:53:23] <cmn32480> same.... work work travel work travel
[11:54:36] <CoolHand> fun... I haven't had the travel part (besides one week in August), but yeah... been working a lot at home in my "off time"... missed the 2nd half of my kids football game last night b/c of work emgcy (and he kicked butt in it)... grrr
[11:55:23] <cmn32480> so the emergencies weren't jsut me yesterday?
[11:55:35] <CoolHand> hah, guess not
[11:55:39] <cmn32480> I had a server fail at about 330pm
[11:55:43] <cmn32480> left around 10
[11:55:59] <CoolHand> yuck...
[11:56:37] <CoolHand> I had performance issues on our payroll database... pretty important while they're trying to process payroll... everyone wants paid..
[11:58:32] <cmn32480> amen
[11:58:42] <cmn32480> I got things back up... but still fgihting some gremlins
[11:59:07] <CoolHand> you lose an array? or mainboard? or what?
[11:59:46] <cmn32480> short version: there was a bug in the firmware that caused the network card to completely flake.
[11:59:59] <cmn32480> whcih too the server to a Purple screen in VMWare.
[12:00:56] <cmn32480> after I fixed the hardware issue (with a phone call to Dell)
[12:01:03] <CoolHand> hmmm.. interesting, wouldn't mind hearing the long version, but if you're pressed for time, don't worry bout it
[12:01:14] <cmn32480> I have been fighting the usual gremlins that result from windows haveing the plug pulled
[12:01:44] <cmn32480> down to one web server issue...
[12:01:51] <cmn32480> but that server runs the sales CRM
[12:04:34] zz_janrinok is now known as janrinok
[12:14:35] <janrinok> hi guys
[12:14:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin janrinok
[12:15:24] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: afternoon to you - things good where you are?
[12:15:40] <cmn32480> gentlemen
[12:15:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, anyone who was having the edity bug have a few minutes to check if it's still happening on dev?
[12:15:44] <janrinok> cmn32480: !!
[12:15:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, fair fair
[12:15:50] <cmn32480> j!!
[12:15:59] <cmn32480> janrinok !!
[12:16:39] <janrinok> cmn32480: I thought the j!! was the new abbreviated version :)
[12:16:53] <cmn32480> that'd make you the wife
[12:17:03] <cmn32480> and neither of us wants that
[12:17:23] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: yep, still happening
[12:17:37] <janrinok> cmn32480: true
[12:17:38] <cmn32480> that makes one of us... I still don't ahve it
[12:17:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, good to know. it's definitely not a javascript bug then cause i ripped every last bit of javascript out of those pages.
[12:17:51] <cmn32480> coolhand - you still seeing the editorial bug?
[12:18:00] <janrinok> what browser are you using cmn32480 ?
[12:18:06] <cmn32480> chrome
[12:18:18] <janrinok> I hate chrome
[12:18:33] <cmn32480> we ahve certain apps that either require it or IE
[12:18:39] <cmn32480> I hate IE more
[12:18:46] <janrinok> yep, so do I
[12:18:56] <cmn32480> adn you woudl ahve a helluva time running it on your kit
[12:19:09] <janrinok> but as I haven't used it since IE8 perhaps my opinion doesn't count for much
[12:19:33] <cmn32480> it si still a correct opinion
[12:19:38] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: you can go ahead and stuff all the js back in again now :)
[12:19:46] <janrinok> cmn32480: lol
[12:20:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, easy peasy.
[12:20:16] * cmn32480 hands themightybuzzard crisco and a shoehorn
[12:20:34] <janrinok> crisco?
[12:20:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> redeploying with js back
[12:21:22] <janrinok> I wonder if we have any ff-using eds who have _not_ got the problem?
[12:21:56] <janrinok> I suppose moz could have cocked up their engine? but you would have thought someone else would have noticed by now...
[12:22:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, me
[12:22:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> using ff 40 and no bugs at all
[12:23:10] <janrinok> ah, so it is _not_ necessarily browser related, not OS related (Bytram is still happily windows)
[12:23:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder if it has to do with seclevel cause none of us admins can reproduce
[12:23:46] <janrinok> possible but sounds bizarre - the sec levels haven't changed in yonks have they?
[12:23:58] <cmn32480> I am jsut an editor
[12:24:14] <cmn32480> and can't reproduce
[12:24:25] <janrinok> cmn32480: so am I but I like to pretend I know what I'm doing - even when it is obvious that I do not
[12:25:22] <cmn32480> I BROKE IT!!!!
[12:25:31] <cmn32480> 'ARRAY(0x912ac30)' is not a valid op. Please try again, or notify the site admin.
[12:25:36] <cmn32480> buzzzard ^^^^
[12:25:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> jan man i gots no freakin clue
[12:25:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, where and how
[12:25:56] <cmn32480> logging in through firefox
[12:26:04] <cmn32480> took me 3 tries to get the password to stick
[12:26:41] <janrinok> that'll be the unsticky password bug
[12:27:08] * janrinok wonders if that sounded authoritative enough to be convincing...
[12:27:14] <cmn32480> nope
[12:27:17] <janrinok> k
[12:27:23] <cmn32480> cmn32480: so am I but I like to pretend I know what I'm doing - even when it is obvious that I do not
[12:27:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, ya that happens after you bounce the server, which i'm doing right now
[12:28:21] <janrinok> cmn32480: it's back up again now
[12:29:11] <cmn32480> no editorial bug.
[12:29:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait what?
[12:29:46] <cmn32480> in, through FF, and the screen before the preview works fine
[12:30:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i didn't change anything...
[12:30:17] <cmn32480> then I am very confuised
[12:30:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> just rebuilt the authors cache cause i added a new editor
[12:31:03] <janrinok> a new editor? I assume for testing purposes...
[12:31:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> on dev, yeah
[12:31:25] <cmn32480> that'd hopefully be FB?
[12:31:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> needed someone to test with a 500 seclev
[12:32:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> whatsa FB?
[12:32:15] <cmn32480> FrogBlast
[12:32:18] <janrinok> LancePodstrong?
[12:32:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, no, imaeditor
[12:33:12] <cmn32480> fuck... I ahte computers
[12:34:09] <janrinok> cmn32480: do you not think that you might be in the wrong line of work to be saying that?
[12:34:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ok well if nobody can reproduce it ima assume it's some strangeass bug that means the authors cache needs rebuilt on prod
[12:35:07] <cmn32480> everyday janrinok
[12:35:16] <janrinok> I can reproduce it - but can't show it to anyone else
[12:36:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, still happening then?
[12:36:43] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: incidentally, while we are clutching at straws, I have no scripts at all on dev so that doesn't appear to be a cause either
[12:36:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> on dev i mean?
[12:36:51] <janrinok> yep - can still do it
[12:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> well hell
[12:37:43] * TheMightyBuzzard bangs his head on the wall
[12:37:49] <janrinok> the cursor is stuck in the Editor's Notes field but I can move it with the tab key, but not by the mouse
[12:38:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> okey doke
[12:38:28] <janrinok> even after moving it with the tab key, first use of the mouse and the bug reappears
[12:39:10] <janrinok> have used several different mice (straws again), they all behave the same.
[12:39:28] <cmn32480> you tried a trackball?
[12:39:32] * cmn32480 ducks
[12:39:33] <janrinok> several different computers, but all running Ubuntu 14.04
[12:39:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> which really shouldn't be possible. there are no onclick events worth mentioning and i even tried it without any of them.
[12:40:06] <janrinok> If you want me to, I can take 15 minutes and try it on pc-bsd if that would provide any useful info?
[12:40:14] <cmn32480> am I the only ed that runs Windows?
[12:40:21] <janrinok> no bytram
[12:40:31] <cmn32480> oh yeah
[12:40:36] <cmn32480> does he see the bug?
[12:40:38] <janrinok> yep
[12:40:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, wouldn't be helpful
[12:40:52] <janrinok> k, but don't know what else to offer
[12:41:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> whiskey at this point
[12:41:30] <janrinok> if only IRC was that good - I would gladly send bottle by next comment
[12:42:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, hows about hitting web developer -> view source -> view generated source and saving what it gives you into a file and sending it to me?
[12:42:54] <janrinok> just to summarise. It only happens on the initial editing page - not on subsequent pages after 'Preview' has been pressed. Bug still exists after Update Sub without Promoting.
[12:42:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:43:37] <janrinok> you've lost me there - what 'web developer' is that?
[12:43:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> right click on the page. if it doesn't show up just hit view source instead
[12:44:01] <janrinok> I can look at the page source if that is what you mean
[12:44:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> view generated source is more handy if you have web developer extension installed but meh
[12:44:36] <janrinok> you on SN email?
[12:44:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[12:44:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> themightybuzzard@
[12:46:37] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: on its way!
[12:46:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers
[12:47:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> awe hell, that's no good
[12:47:15] <janrinok> sorry - have I done something wrong?
[12:47:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> need it put in a file
[12:47:18] <janrinok> k
[12:47:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> copy n paste loses all the formatting and hurts my eyes to look at
[12:49:20] <janrinok> 2nd attempt on its way
[12:50:00] <janrinok> waiting for my next bollocking, and will then try to do the correct thing again...
[12:52:55] * cmn32480 bollocks janrinok just for fun
[12:53:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'good
[12:53:38] <janrinok> k thx
[12:53:57] <janrinok> cmn32480: appreciated - I need such things to keep me on my toes
[12:54:27] <cmn32480> somebody has to keep you in line
[12:54:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, not seeing anything different than my own source
[12:56:01] <janrinok> I'll install chrome - just for giggles - and see what results I get
[12:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay now i am seeing a difference but i can't explain why
[12:58:31] <janrinok> had a software update a couple of days ago, the judges voting is now in:
[12:58:45] <janrinok> Palemoon - bug exists
[12:59:09] <janrinok> Firefox - 40.0.3 - bug does NOT exist
[13:01:17] <janrinok> Chromium - 44.0.2403.89 - bug does NOT exist
[13:01:43] <janrinok> before sw update, the bug DID exist on FF
[13:02:28] <janrinok> cmn32480: how do you get chrome(ium) to accept certs?
[13:02:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, excellent. it must have been a browser bug then.
[13:03:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> and explains why i can't reproduce it
[13:03:26] <cmn32480> ummmmmm
[13:03:34] <cmn32480> have to think about that
[13:03:44] <cmn32480> but at the moment am tied up fighting an IIS issue
[13:03:48] <janrinok> cmn32480: found it - but I need to download our cert from 'somewhere;?
[13:05:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell i can't even use palemoon on arch. it's bugged all to hell
[13:05:19] <cmn32480> you shoudl be able to click on the broken cert link next to the address abr and click install cert
[13:05:37] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: thx for your work - we will spread the word amongst the eds
[13:06:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:07:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> might wanna send out an email to the edity mailing list
[13:07:34] <janrinok> good idea
[13:08:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> or possibly the whole everybody list cause who the hell knows what anyone's seclev is nowadays
[13:08:21] <janrinok> lol - but a fair point
[13:09:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, going to have a smoke and call this a very confusing day's work.
[13:09:25] <janrinok> chrome is a pain in the proverbial - I'm uninstalling it NOW!
[13:10:20] <cmn32480> googd paln buzzard
[13:10:25] <cmn32480> I shall join you
[13:10:30] <cmn32480> fucking IIS
[13:26:12] <nick> ahoy
[13:26:25] <cmn32480> chips ahoy? I could use some cookies
[13:26:29] <janrinok> nick: how goes it?
[13:27:17] <cmn32480> grand 302MB error log
[13:27:26] <cmn32480> who the f**k...... grrrrrrrr
[13:27:34] <janrinok> I've got OSes smaller than that
[13:28:00] <nick> it goes is about it
[13:28:07] <janrinok> what you need is - (fanfare) - systemd!
[13:28:17] <nick> how goes things for you, janrinok?
[13:28:34] <janrinok> not bad - just pushing an email out - we have solved the editing bug
[13:28:43] * cmn32480 hits low in case janrionk ducks
[13:29:10] * janrinok tried is kung fu move and jumped higher...
[13:29:17] <janrinok> his*
[13:29:21] <janrinok> brb
[13:35:40] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: I assume the email for all is staff@ ?
[13:41:22] <janrinok> nick - sry about that, someone at the door
[13:42:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, beats the hell out of me. we need a list of mailing lists somewhere.
[13:43:30] <janrinok> well, I've sent it but I'm not convinced - nothing has appeared in my inbox
[13:45:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> soylent-staff@lists.soylentnews.org
[13:46:01] <janrinok> I'll give that a try thx
[13:48:47] <janrinok> it has held that awaiting moderator approval - because I am a non-member posting to a members-only list... WTF?
[13:49:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have no idea man
[13:49:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> mail is beyond my ken
[13:49:21] <nick> lol
[13:49:32] <janrinok> I am a non-person again
[13:50:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, just email it to me and i'll forward it to the list
[13:51:59] <janrinok> well, you _should_ have received a copy, but I'll send it to you again :)
[13:52:59] <janrinok> on its way
[13:57:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> and out to the list
[13:57:08] <janrinok> thx
[13:57:30] * janrinok wishes he was a real person like TMB - he is a real person, isn't he?
[13:57:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> have you asked the blue fairy?
[13:58:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> she hooked pinnocchio up
[13:58:27] <janrinok> lol
[13:58:48] <janrinok> 'Got no strings to hold me up'
[14:03:58] <cmn32480> fucking PHP.... and IIS .... and Wincache.... and windows for that matter
[14:08:45] <cmn32480> themightybuzzard is just a reasonably well programmed bot, didn't you know that janrinok?
[14:09:04] <janrinok> obviously not a bot that I have written then ...
[14:09:13] <cmn32480> nor I
[14:09:25] <cmn32480> I _THINK_ I have this server issue fixed
[14:09:33] <janrinok> .45 again?
[14:09:49] <cmn32480> something borked in the php cache and I had to replace the .dll
[14:09:59] <cmn32480> no... but I did think about it
[14:10:27] <janrinok> you mean the cache overwrote the .dll, or that the .dll is poorly written?
[14:11:11] <cmn32480> when the physical hardware took a shit yesterday, and the VM basically got the plug pulled, I think the dll was being accessed and got F**KED
[14:11:40] <cmn32480> I'm going to get more coffee and have a smoke.
[14:11:45] <cmn32480> coffee++
[14:11:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 18
[14:11:49] <cmn32480> smoke++
[14:11:50] <Bender> karma - smoke: 1
[14:12:14] <janrinok> fair enough - not a lot you can do about that
[14:12:39] <cmn32480> took hours to track it down.... now I know to try that FIRST next time
[14:12:58] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|drinkin
[14:20:11] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: are you editing that story or just reading it?
[14:31:36] <janrinok> never mind - I've processed it
[14:33:27] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: looks like your attempt to send that email failed as well - perhaps we are both non-persons now
[14:35:07] <janrinok> !uid
[14:35:07] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5873, owned by Z-A,z-a,01234
[14:39:05] <paulej72> Thanks for the bug hunting
[14:39:19] <janrinok> np - glad it is sorted
[14:39:43] <janrinok> TMB did a lot of the work - we just looked on from the sidelines and did as good editors are told
[14:40:14] <paulej72> It is probably a js bug in some code we do not use but is still in the scripts.
[14:41:14] <paulej72> probably related that we use jQuery 1.3 something (which is like 2000 years old in internet time)
[14:41:18] <janrinok> TMB did find one difference in the code as displayed on a buggy browser when compared with one from a non-buggy browser - you'll have to ask him for more details
[14:42:04] <janrinok> and he wasn't sure if that difference was significant
[14:44:00] <janrinok> paulej72: we've sent an email out to staff on issue - have you seen it. We have both had problems sending emails to list addresses
[14:54:07] <cmn32480|drinkin> janrinok - I got emails from you and TMB
[14:54:42] <janrinok> They haven't appeared here at all - strange
[14:55:20] <cmn32480|drinkin> apparently they came in on my account an hour ago
[14:55:31] <cmn32480|drinkin> don't forget to hit check mail, then go back to the inbox.
[14:55:38] <janrinok> I have :)
[14:56:35] <cmn32480|drinkin> ok. You not on staff anymore? they just didn't tell you?
[14:56:44] <cmn32480|drinkin> like Milton, they fix the glitch?
[14:56:55] <janrinok> queues are good until late afternoon in Europe tomorrow
[14:57:08] <cmn32480|drinkin> Bless you, my son.
[14:57:09] <janrinok> about this time tomorrow
[14:57:16] <janrinok> wherever you are
[14:57:31] <cmn32480|drinkin> I'm here. Where are you?
[14:57:49] cmn32480|drinkin is now known as cmn32480
[14:58:03] <janrinok> I'm here as well! Why can't I see you?
[14:58:23] <cmn32480> must be the mutual cloaking devices
[15:00:39] * nick waits for pizza
[15:01:10] <cmn32480> you here too nick?
[15:02:07] <nick> im somewhere
[15:02:18] <janrinok> what kind of pizza?
[15:05:50] <janrinok> Hey the emails have just arrived - over 1 hour!
[15:06:16] <cmn32480> must be the spam filter
[15:06:56] <janrinok> but I don't eat spam (cue Monty Pythons Team singing 'Spam, Spam, Spam')
[15:08:22] <nick> lidl 'double pepperoni' pizza
[15:08:32] <cmn32480> mmmmmm
[15:08:34] <cmn32480> pepperoni
[15:08:52] <janrinok> we like pepperoni
[15:10:57] <nick> it's the best two pizzas money can buy for $2.50
[15:25:35] * cmn32480 wonders if he can forward his phone to /dev/null
[15:26:31] <nick> thats what i do
[15:27:11] <nick> well, i actually have a 'digital receptionist' that if you try and be clever with it, will send you in an infinite loop
[15:27:37] <cmn32480> awesome
[15:27:42] <cmn32480> is that by design?
[15:27:49] <nick> yup
[15:27:53] <cmn32480> or is it an undocumented feature?
[15:28:57] <nick> i dont like being on the phone, so through the PBX i'm difficult to reach externally and my android phone is nearly always on silent
[15:29:34] <cmn32480> I wish I could do that.
[15:29:42] * cmn32480 is a little jealous
[15:30:08] <nick> yeah, it's kind of a deal i have with my business partner. he does the phone stuff, i do face-to-face and email.
[15:30:37] <nick> he spends most of his time at his desk and on the phone anyway, he's much better at it than i am.
[15:32:49] <nick> i need to get my dad a smartphone so he can also be on the PBX, doubt he'll mind it the phone is a 'hot pink' colour...
[15:37:40] <cmn32480> I jsut forwarded my phone to my asst mgr.
[15:37:54] <cmn32480> I told him I just can't take dealing wiht any more people today.
[15:40:03] <nick> sounds fair to me
[15:40:27] <janrinok> cracking idea - you should try it more often
[15:40:46] <cmn32480> it is one of those cases where the next stupid question I answer will probably get me fired, or make my blood pressure shoot out my ears
[15:40:53] <nick> thats what underlings are for...
[15:41:31] <cmn32480> I wlaked inot his office.. threw up my hands and said "NO MAS! I just forwarded my phone to you."
[15:44:01] <janrinok> cmn32480: if it is an indelicate question - what happened to the proposed move of staff that was being discussed before I went on holiday?
[15:44:08] <janrinok> if it isn't *
[15:48:46] <cmn32480> killed it
[15:48:55] <janrinok> another success chalked up!
[15:49:00] <cmn32480> told them to start looking for a new service manager/it person
[15:49:55] <cmn32480> that killed the idea
[15:50:13] <cmn32480> when have we ever skirted around indelicate questions janrionok?
[15:50:42] <janrinok> well, I genuinely don't want to pry, and it might not have gone the way that you would have wished
[15:51:36] <cmn32480> is ok. :-)
[15:51:50] <cmn32480> feel free to pry... if you go over the line, I'll let you know
[15:52:03] <cmn32480> and for the record, my shoe size is 10.5US
[15:52:07] <janrinok> k thx - but that is probably enough for one day!
[15:52:19] <cmn32480> my gloves are XL
[15:52:25] <janrinok> 10.5US - could be anything
[15:52:48] <cmn32480> 9.5US
[15:52:50] <cmn32480> 44EUR
[15:53:15] <cmn32480> 9.5UK, sorry
[15:53:38] <janrinok> I'd forgotten UK sizes - haven't used them for quite a few years now
[15:53:38] <cmn32480> and my head does NOT fit in the "One Size Fits All" hats
[15:54:06] <cmn32480> that happens when you live in the land of fine wine and pastries
[15:54:14] <janrinok> ... or France
[15:54:22] <cmn32480> well... yes. There too
[15:56:54] <cmn32480> my bad.. I misspelled it... it should be fine whine and pansies
[15:57:02] <janrinok> closer
[15:57:04] <cmn32480> my apologies sir
[16:05:35] <cmn32480> wow... you'se guys opened quite the can of worms. Audioguy is playing with the bug in the other channel
[16:06:51] <janrinok> they love a challenge...
[16:07:09] <cmn32480> and we are nothing if not challenging to work with
[16:07:23] <janrinok> very true
[16:07:56] <cmn32480> ask our respective wives... I am absolutely certain they would tell us the same thing.
[16:08:10] <janrinok> correct again
[16:08:14] <cmn32480> though mine might jsut tell me I am cahallenged....
[16:09:00] <janrinok> but your kids still love you :)
[16:10:32] <cmn32480> thanks god somebody in my house does!
[16:11:36] <janrinok> S has had an hospital appt today - several hours ago in fact - but she is not home yet. I'm getting hungry...
[16:12:19] <cmn32480> everythgin go ok? or you don't know yet
[16:13:12] <janrinok> don't know - it was for an MRI scan but they don't usually take this long.
[16:13:59] <cmn32480> hmmm...
[16:14:14] <cmn32480> well... if it was somethign not so good, I'm sure that she woudl ahve called
[16:14:40] <janrinok> doesn't carry a phone, but I'm not worrying
[16:14:49] <cmn32480> ok
[16:15:13] <cmn32480> probably just a backup getting her in... stuck in the waiting room adn all that
[16:15:29] <janrinok> she cannot hold a phone and press the buttons, let alone trying to swipe, pinch or flick
[16:15:39] <cmn32480> understood
[16:16:07] <janrinok> it is probably just a wait for the specialist to say 'there is nothing of any significance' etc
[16:53:23] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[19:46:19] janrinok_afk is now known as zz_janrinok_afk