#editorial | Logs for 2015-09-04

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[01:29:06] <Bytram|away> takyon: much obliged! that was a bit of a mess to start with and after I got the worst of it straightened out, the words started a swimmin' around. :/
[01:29:11] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:29:22] <Bytram> cmn32480: !!
[01:29:28] <takyon> yeah rewriting something that's riddled with errors is always a pain
[01:29:33] <takyon> makes your brain cry
[01:31:17] <Bytram> that is possibly the best definition/explanation/description I've ever seen to describe that sensation... well done!
[01:31:59] <takyon> it ain't the first time it's happened
[01:32:54] <Bytram> takyon: it's strange that I can readily understand English written by someone from India, and I can also abstract the concepts and rephrase it in proper English, but I just cannot seem to come up with a way to explain *what* I did so that I could mentally automate it, or explain what it was that was originally wrong!
[01:33:39] <takyon> some billions are being spent on cognitive computing and neuroscience
[01:33:40] <Deucalion> the mind works in mysterious ways
[01:33:57] <takyon> I'm confident strong AI will emerge someday
[01:34:29] * Bytram starts doing [mental] pushups
[01:36:29] <takyon> start taking modafinil
[01:36:56] <Bytram> nah, I think I'll leave well enough alone
[01:44:01] <Bytram> takyon: cmn32480: FWIW, I've discovered that the <hr> tag serves to "break" any text above and below it. IOW, one can remove any tag that follows the <hr> and precedes the "" in the Original Submission part of a story page.
[01:44:45] <takyon> no
[01:44:48] <Bytram> takyon "Singray" should be "Stingray" in the title; fixed!
[01:44:58] <takyon> all contents should be in a element
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[01:45:51] <takyon> not as a spacer but as a way to keep text in distinct paragraph elements
[01:45:54] <Bytram> hmmm
[01:45:56] <Cmn32480_phone> Editing from your phone is hard.
[01:46:02] <takyon> and because the system wraps loose text in tags anyway
[01:46:05] <Bytram> cmn32480: nod nod!
[01:46:13] <takyon> sounds terrible
[01:46:35] <takyon> if only your phone had a holographic display or could be used as a portable desktop
[01:46:50] <Cmn32480_phone> Yes. It is. Have to find time to copy your tamper monkey script in. That will help
[01:46:56] <Bytram> takyon: good point; I just hate the wasted space between the HR and the Original Submission text; prolly should fix that in the CSS instead. (Don!)
[01:47:37] <takyon> http://puu.sh
[01:47:39] <takyon> you mean below?
[01:48:31] <Cmn32480_phone> Fyi bytram - I fixed a couple typos in one on the stories I seconded, over all you are doing a great job for a new guy.
[01:48:48] <Bytram> yes, the space below the HR element and above the "Original Submission" text
[01:49:11] <Cmn32480_phone> You guys are gonna fix that? Huzzah!
[01:49:14] <Bytram> Bytram: for a 'new guy' ??
[01:49:27] <takyon> wtf, it's like 10 pixels in my screenshot
[01:49:34] <takyon> are you seeing something different??
[01:50:34] <Bytram> given: "body text" <HR> "orig sub text"
[01:50:37] <Cmn32480_phone> The space above is fine below is too big for my taste
[01:50:59] <Bytram> the space between HR and orig sub text is about 50% greater than the space between "ody test" and the HR
[01:50:59] <Cmn32480_phone> But then I rarely get to read much anymore
[01:51:00] <takyon> hang on
[01:51:14] <Bytram> s/"ody/"Bod/
[01:51:35] <takyon> I found the culprit for the space BELOW the orig sub
[01:51:50] <Cmn32480_phone> Between original sub and [edit]
[01:52:05] <Cmn32480_phone> Huh.. that's a first. Samsung keyboard crashed
[01:52:28] <takyon> http://puu.sh
[01:52:31] <takyon> It's a break tag
[01:53:07] <takyon> It's not in the article HTML, it's probably added for editors before the [edit]
[01:53:15] <Cmn32480_phone> A fix to the CSS? Or is that an html fix?
[01:53:29] <Cmn32480_phone> Interesting
[01:54:06] <takyon> html
[01:54:13] <takyon> not that we have a huge problem here
[01:54:13] <Cmn32480_phone> I am going to bed.... nodding off as I type here. Pleasant dreams everybody
[01:54:17] <takyon> night
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[01:54:47] <Bytram> cmn32480: sleep well! and fast, too!
[01:55:27] <Bytram> takyon: I'm not seeing it. Using Pale Moon 25.7.0 on Win 7 Pro; loaded: https://soylentnews.org
[01:55:28] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN article: Slowing Wind Energy Production Suffers From Lack of Wind 04(13 comments)
[01:55:33] <Deucalion> can one sleep "fast" - accelerated sleeping sounds like an art worth pursuing... more awake hours!
[01:55:33] <Bytram> did a view sourcce
[01:55:55] <Bytram> Deucalion: more like sleeping VERY efficiently :)
[01:56:15] <Bytram> takyon: and here's what I see:
[01:56:16] <Bytram> "their cumulative momentum deficit could conceivably alter wind speeds on a global scale."
[01:56:16] <Bytram> <hr>
[01:56:16] <Bytram> <a href="//soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=9302" title="soylentnews.org">Original Submission</a> [soylentnews.org] 
[01:56:18] <takyon> in that case I see an empty before ORIGINAL SUBMISSION
[01:56:26] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:56:37] <takyon> let me look again
[01:56:41] <Bytram> ditto on the story text on the Main page, too.
[01:56:59] <takyon> i think it's because the <hr> isn't in a 
[01:57:22] <takyon> the system gets wonky when it sees <hr> outside of a paragraph, and may spew empty or broken tags
[01:57:31] <Bytram> 'the system' ??
[01:57:33] <takyon> so I usually put <hr> when I see it
[01:57:50] <takyon> yeah whatever the hell in the backend ruins the intro copy after you write it
[01:58:07] <Bytram> blegh! What is wrong with: <body><hr></body>
[01:58:08] <takyon> It adds paragraph tags and other stuff
[01:58:13] <takyon> a lot
[01:58:16] <takyon> a lot is wrong
[01:58:26] <Bytram> nothing says that a body can ONLY contain elements~
[01:58:30] <takyon> oh
[01:58:33] <Deucalion> Bytram, that bit is easy - just get to know your body's own rhythms and work with them. Most people sleep 2 * ~4hr sleep periods per night without external pressures. In which case it is phenomenally bad to set the alarm for 6 hours after going to bed... that's going to rip you from the deepest part of the sleep cycle to full alertness... leading to feeling tired for the entire day.
[01:58:35] <takyon> nothing is wrong
[01:58:41] <takyon> except it's about soylent, not HTML
[01:59:02] <takyon> the system auto edits the html
[01:59:05] <Bytram> oh, so you are agreeing that the HTML I posted was valid?
[01:59:15] <takyon> yeah
[01:59:43] <Bytram> whew! you had me concerned there for a moment that everything I'd learned about HTML may have been off base.
[02:00:05] <takyon> well you just said <body><hr></body> I didn't understand the context
[02:00:13] <Bytram> FWIW, I was first introduced to HTML before it WAS HTML -- I used an SGML editor back in 1984 or so.
[02:01:10] <takyon> HTML 4.11 for workgroups
[02:01:42] <Deucalion> I'm no fan of auto-closing of hanging tags without explicit closure. It makes for hard to read markup to my simpleton mind.
[02:02:11] <takyon> I hope you are using my extension which automatically adds spacing to the markup
[02:02:19] <takyon> otherwise reading it is a chore
[02:02:24] <Bytram> Deucalion: nod nod -- I have been burned too many times with missing closing "}" and ")" in my coding days.
[02:02:41] <Bytram> lisp anyone?
[02:03:02] <takyon> I find the missing ")" is the bigger problem
[02:03:22] <Bytram> had an introduction in a computer languages survey course. melted my brain a bit, but am so glad for the experience!
[02:03:34] <Bytram> that was before the days of the IDE
[02:03:50] <Bytram> not sure if that was before even EMACS!
[02:04:22] <Deucalion> Bytram, I also like indentation in code / script for that reason, one can quickly scroll down and verify the open close } or }; just on their position without having to wade through the intervening code content.
[02:04:36] <Bytram> YES!
[02:04:37] <takyon> element.setAttribute("whatever",Math.round(((x/2)*x)+1)
[02:05:06] <Bytram> element.setAttribute("whatever",Math.round(((x/2)*x)+1))
[02:06:17] <Bytram> element.setAttribute( "whatever" , Math.round( ((x/2)*x) + 1 ) )
[02:07:21] <Bytram> element.setAttribute("whatever",Math.round(1+(x/2)*x) )
[02:07:24] <Deucalion> count the brackets! When reading, mentally increment +1 when encountering an open bracket and decrement -1 when encountering a close bracket... if you have something other than zero in mind come the end of the code / script, you probably identified the problem. :)
[02:08:18] <Bytram> yeppers! I can vouch for that one! was the only way I could keep my sanity while debugging lisp code!
[02:08:38] <takyon> yeah but if you've got 10+ brackets right next to each other, count sharply
[02:10:30] <Bytram> braket-highlighting in emacs helps me maintain my sanity
[02:10:36] <Bytram> *bracket
[02:15:50] <Deucalion> I'm bailing on this discussion before it gets to the level of what Tab should do when it comes to indentation... 2 space chars, 4?, 8? or perhaps a Tab char. :P
[02:17:02] <takyon> 1 space
[02:17:07] <takyon> alternate spacebar key
[02:19:40] <Bytram> LOL
[02:23:57] <Deucalion> That works
[03:25:42] <Bytram> bedtime for bonzo... cat y'all later!
[03:25:49] <Bytram> s/cat/catch/
[03:26:01] <Bytram> afk
[20:30:59] <cmn32480> takyon - we need to spread stories out, especialyl this weekend, given that there will liekyl not be many/any subs to pull from
[20:31:47] <cmn32480> the drone at the US Open isn't breaking news. interesting, yes,. but not breaking.
[20:35:17] <takyon> it's 4-6 hours old
[20:35:45] <takyon> cmn32480
[20:36:13] <takyon> I set it not to display a few seconds ago
[20:36:29] <takyon> what is a good time for it in your opinion
[20:37:58] <cmn32480> let's adjust the queue and push it out at 5:30
[20:38:14] <cmn32480> I'll move whatever the 5:30 story is to tomorrow, it has no time relevance at all.
[20:39:13] <cmn32480> my biggest concern is that we are going inot a long holiday weekend, and there will be minimal subs to pull from
[20:39:37] <takyon> oh yeah
[20:39:39] <takyon> labor day
[20:39:54] <cmn32480> my opinoin is that we need to be pushing out on a 2 hour+ sxchedule for the weekjend
[20:40:03] <cmn32480> right
[20:40:25] <cmn32480> and I cna't remember when Janrinok gets back, but for the moment, I am the only one with access to Arthur if needed.
[20:40:46] <takyon> updated
[20:42:44] <cmn32480> I see it.
[20:42:47] <cmn32480> thanks
[22:48:42] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: I just emailed frogblast and cced you
[23:16:09] <Bytram> hola!
[23:16:32] <Bytram> FYI: This story in the story queue is a dupe: https://soylentnews.org
[23:16:38] <Schwifty> ^ 03Error
[23:16:52] <Bytram> I unticked the 'Display' checkbox so it would not run.
[23:35:52] <Bytram> takyon: I see you pinged me in #Soylent .. what's up?
[23:43:36] <takyon> it was abt q yuou asked me
[23:43:46] <takyon> about raymond crowdbeg story
[23:44:01] <takyon> typing w/ 1 hand cause im making pizza
[23:47:36] <Bytram> oh, that.
[23:47:57] <Bytram> sry, I was reading a story in another window.
[23:48:13] <Bytram> first finish making your pizza!
[23:48:42] <Bytram> I just finished eating my dinner and need to do the dishes, so no hurry. biab
[23:48:45] <Bytram> afk