#editorial | Logs for 2015-08-10
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[12:03:06] <cmn32480> CoolHand !!
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[12:39:12] <janrinok> CoolHand: !!
[12:39:16] <janrinok> cmn32480: !!
[12:39:20] <cmn32480> janrinok !!
[12:39:40] <janrinok> did you get the working (?) version of Arthur yesterday?
[12:39:57] <cmn32480> got it, but wasn't able to test.
[12:40:04] <janrinok> ah, ok
[12:47:19] <cmn32480> my silly kids wanted to spend the day with me
[12:47:33] <cmn32480> so everythgin else took a backseat
[12:47:44] <janrinok> oh, how silly of them.... Where are you today?
[12:47:51] <cmn32480> in the office
[12:48:03] <janrinok> ah, has the fallout er, fallen?
[12:48:03] <cmn32480> week before vacation = no travel
[12:48:20] <cmn32480> depends on the fallout you are referring to
[12:48:24] <cmn32480> which one
[12:59:26] <janrinok> the 'working system by Monday' that you spent the weekend working on...?
[12:59:43] <cmn32480> my part works near as I can tell.
[12:59:57] <cmn32480> pop over to the other channel for a moment, please
[13:00:02] * janrinok is trying to reply question arising from our plea for more eds/subs
[13:48:56] <CoolHand> janrinok!! cmn32480!!
[13:49:07] <cmn32480> CoolHand !!
[13:49:22] <CoolHand> how's it?
[13:49:42] <cmn32480> alligators nipping at my butt, like usual
[13:49:51] <CoolHand> hah
[13:50:00] <CoolHand> have we picked up 4 or 5 new editors yet?
[13:50:01] <CoolHand> :)
[13:50:27] * cmn32480 throws a rotten burrito at CoolHand since whatever bot does that isn't in this channel
[13:51:03] <CoolHand> haha
[13:51:05] * CoolHand dodges
[13:51:07] <CoolHand> :)
[13:59:41] <janrinok> CoolHand: not yet - but I am busy pushing out replies as necessary :)
[14:00:06] <cmn32480> $burrito coolhand
[14:00:06] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at coolhand
[14:00:17] <cmn32480> that bot is here. my bad
[14:00:56] <janrinok> cmn32480: I've pushed out one or two replies to that Ed/Sub thread :)
[14:01:05] <cmn32480> I saw
[14:01:33] * janrinok wonders whether he ought to look embarrassed
[14:02:30] <cmn32480> you were VERY nice about it. far nicer than I would have been
[14:02:46] <cmn32480> bees with honey or vinegar or somethign
[14:02:53] <janrinok> I was biting my tongue a little, but they are asking a fair question
[14:03:23] <cmn32480> agreed. adn tehy ought to get the feedback... but in reality, we don't rehject all that many subs/
[14:03:30] <janrinok> unfortunately, I suspect it will be a discussion about submissions and not about more editors
[14:03:47] <cmn32480> bytram's response was bout what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure if we were allowed to give out the acce[t/reject stats for a given user
[14:05:57] <janrinok> if they specifically want to discuss the point, I can't see it being a problem. Of course, we might have to be tactful when they are less successful than say, 25%
[14:06:27] * janrinok suspects that saying 'But you write crap' might not be the best response
[14:06:34] <cmn32480> I woudl guess we have very few in that range given the number of subs we get vs acceprt
[14:07:18] <janrinok> my acceptance rate and mendax's are the same - and I thought I was doing OK!
[14:08:19] <cmn32480> I'm at 93%
[14:08:29] <janrinok> close enough!
[14:08:40] <cmn32480> with a far smaller number of submissions
[14:08:41] <janrinok> I'm 92% and mendax is 91%
[14:08:54] <janrinok> looking for 90 and 94 now....
[14:09:05] <cmn32480> coolhand is at 95%
[14:09:18] <janrinok> he is always showing off...!
[14:10:42] <cmn32480> cripe.. si it bad that I have to look at my expenses to see when I was where?
[14:11:21] <janrinok> well, you have been a busy boy recently
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[14:12:59] <cmn32480> and people are bitching that my calendar sin;'t up to date.
[14:13:18] <janrinok> ... ha, the cross we each have to bear...
[14:13:53] <cmn32480> i really want to invent that thing that shocks people when I push a button on my phone.
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[14:21:20] <janrinok> it sounds like you have already invented it - it is only a matter of implementation now. Quick - submit a patent application, and add 'with a computer' for good measure!
[14:21:36] <cmn32480> I cna't.... it has rounded corners
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[14:23:01] <janrinok> damn, that's why I was never successful ....
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[14:40:24] <CoolHand> did I just see that I'm the best??? w00t! I knew it!! hahahahahahaha...
[14:40:35] * CoolHand runs off laughing maniacally..!!
[14:41:31] <janrinok> well, if you submit one story and it is accepted you are at 100%. However, as you are not at 100%, I must assume that you have had stories REJECTED! :)
[14:42:04] <cmn32480> don't hurt his feelings janrinok. We still need him.
[14:42:11] <CoolHand> lol, yah, that's right!
[14:42:15] <janrinok> lol
[14:43:17] <CoolHand> actually I'd vote for takyon to have the best submissions.. the only thing that hurts is percentage is he makes them too complicated and lets them sit in the queue to get worked on, then no one finishes them and they get stale... but for pure quality... can't beat him... :)
[14:43:45] <cmn32480> ^^DITTO!
[14:43:52] <janrinok> I would tend to agree with that - has anyone seen him recently?
[14:44:07] <cmn32480> couple days ago, I think.
[14:44:19] <CoolHand> yeah he posted stories on saturday (but I didnt' SEE him..)
[14:44:27] <janrinok> point taken
[14:44:53] <janrinok> not seen him much on here though
[14:45:09] <janrinok> hope he is OK
[14:49:22] <janrinok> just running Arthur - 51 stories so far but most will be rubbish
[14:51:15] <janrinok> 113 and still climbing
[14:51:23] <cmn32480> jeepers!
[14:51:29] <cmn32480> Go Arthur go!
[14:52:11] <cmn32480> Mendax is at +3 Troll
[14:52:26] <janrinok> I think that is unfair
[14:52:45] <cmn32480> the +3 is warranted. The troll.. I'm not so sure
[14:52:54] <janrinok> but he sort of brought it on himself
[14:55:12] <cmn32480> <janrinok> please do not be put off by my sig
[14:55:19] * cmn32480 gioggles
[14:55:33] <janrinok> you can gioggles as much as you like...
[14:58:40] <cmn32480> you been here since day 1 janrinok?
[14:59:24] <janrinok> I was accepted as an editor after go-live, within about 2 weeks or so, but I was here cheering and heckling from the sidelines on IRC
[14:59:49] <janrinok> #52
[15:01:22] <janrinok> some think that was a very dark day in SN history...
[15:01:31] <cmn32480> pshht.... two digit UID...
[15:01:38] <cmn32480> thinks he's special
[15:02:35] <janrinok> it used to be much higher, but with inflation etc, it is only worth a 52 nowadays...
[15:02:56] <cmn32480> !uid
[15:02:57] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 5799, owned by lakshmi
[15:03:17] <cmn32480> he si part of the 1%.... GET HIM!!!!
[15:04:07] <janrinok> if only I had the money to go with it, but my SN pay doesn't seem to be mounting up as quickly as I had expected it to. mrcoolbp tells me that it has to pay for another editor's travel expenses...
[15:04:41] <mrcoolbp> which editor?
[15:04:51] <mrcoolbp> ; )
[15:05:14] <janrinok> hi mrcoolbp - how many editors do you know with an outstanding $13k expense bill?
[15:05:28] <cmn32480> that wasn't sent to SN!!!
[15:05:33] <mrcoolbp> I'm guessing cmn32480
[15:05:39] <mrcoolbp> = )
[15:05:40] <cmn32480> I tried to use the SN credit card and the sucker melted!
[15:05:54] <cmn32480> big puddle right there on the counter
[15:05:56] <janrinok> but we all have to chip in to keep your company afloat - otherwise you might leave us...
[15:05:57] * mrcoolbp hides his card from cmn32480
[15:06:04] <cmn32480> then they billed me to clean it up
[15:06:28] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: have a good w/e despite being busy?
[15:06:39] <cmn32480> I don't need this kind of abuse
[15:06:45] <cmn32480> I can go home and get abused
[15:07:02] <janrinok> oh, you wish, you really do...
[15:07:04] <cmn32480> what other kinds you have? anything more like a who's on First routine?
[15:08:39] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: yeah not too too bad. Was actually at the hospital 'till 5am friday night/Sat morning because my wife hurt her ankle and had to go to work all weekend and needed a note to not do any physical activity - so I got 1 hour of sleep that night, was back at work at 7am, ran a great shift, then worked all day yesterday, but it wasn't hellish like it coulda been.
[15:08:41] <cmn32480> janrinok - boy do I ever!
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[15:09:07] <cmn32480> zoinks mrcoolbp. why aren't you sleeping now?
[15:09:15] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: sorry to hear that - give her our best wishes
[15:09:29] <mrcoolbp> I just woke up, got a good 9 hours of sleep last night and the the night before so I'm recovering
[15:09:55] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: thanks I'm making her take care of her self and she's going to see her primary phisician (sp?) now
[15:10:07] <mrcoolbp> I'm also doing what I can to help her
[15:10:34] <janrinok> of course, you both need to take it easy and look after each other :)
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[15:29:23] <cmn32480> ahhhhhh I have to explain UTC to a client
[15:29:32] <janrinok> lol
[15:29:34] <cmn32480> THUD THUD THUDS THUD
[15:29:53] * cmn32480 bangs his head on the desk again
[15:31:43] <cmn32480> short version: GMT without daylight savings
[15:31:48] <janrinok> lol
[15:32:30] <janrinok> although GMT hasn't got daylight saving either - it becomes British Summer Time in the UK.
[15:32:47] <cmn32480> same *^&%(^ing difference
[15:33:01] <janrinok> yep - and certainly good enough for a client!
[15:36:34] <cmn32480> I ahte people./
[15:36:46] <janrinok> I'm a people
[15:36:53] <cmn32480> I hate MOST people
[15:37:19] <cmn32480> specifically the PHB's who think that it is their job to go over your head when they don't get what they want.
[16:33:44] <cmn32480> janrinok - I just realized you lied to me. British Summer time is bullshit. Britain doesn't HAVE summer.
[16:55:36] <janrinok> no, we reserve a time for it, but it never arrives
[16:58:58] <cmn32480> how bloody inconsiderate!
[16:59:14] <janrinok> well, that's the 'British Summer' for you.
[16:59:29] <janrinok> and you know I would never lie to you
[16:59:53] <cmn32480> but you won't tell me you love me.....
[16:59:58] <janrinok> might tell the odd porky, maybe stretch the truth a little. but lie, Never!
[17:00:23] <janrinok> I reserve that task for J and 3 little folk
[17:00:28] <cmn32480> lol
[17:00:35] <cmn32480> they don't tell me either
[17:01:03] <cmn32480> they ask who is that guy sitting in Daddy's office?
[17:01:16] <janrinok> lol back
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[17:57:27] <CoolHand> uh-oh, Arty's flooding us with submissions... :)
[17:57:40] <janrinok> you know it makes sense ....
[18:00:52] <CoolHand> what makes sense? that he floods us?
[18:02:28] <janrinok> we need 'em, he has 'em
[18:02:50] <CoolHand> yep, yep... so true
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[18:21:37] <NCommander> janrinok, CoolHand: so what do you think of just creating a rejected stories nexus and sticking the reason there?
[18:22:09] * NCommander guesses we could modify submit.pl to autopost to rejectedstories
[18:22:46] <janrinok> It is worth a try, but I suspect it will just grow and grow and become unmanageable. We've posted over 7000 stories so far, how many journals with 7000 entries have you seen? How would you search it to find your submission?
[18:23:03] <NCommander> janrinok, point taken
[18:23:45] <janrinok> I know its a bit of work, but a single page showing submission title, submitter, and reason for rejection would suffice
[18:24:07] <janrinok> entries on it could time out after 7 days or whatever is deemed suitable
[18:25:32] <janrinok> NCommander: how much extra code/work would the journal suggestion take, particularly to make it searchable?
[18:25:52] <janrinok> if it is a minor task, then it is worth looking at
[18:26:51] <janrinok> that's 7000 stories accepted - I don't know how many rejects we have had...
[18:39:50] <NCommander> janrinok, journas are already searchable
[18:41:57] <janrinok> thx
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[18:48:20] <janrinok> Arthur T has hit the flooding barrier - no more subs for 30 minutes minimum
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[19:39:15] <CoolHand> NCommander: the method doesn't really matter to me, as long as I can get some sort of msg to submitter, I will be most pleased.. :)
[19:40:41] <NCommander> I really should just implement private messaging and be done with it
[19:41:55] <janrinok> I don't think it should be all bells and whistles - messages get sent to users now (comment notifications etc) and something similar would suffice in my opinion.
[19:42:10] <janrinok> Of course, you then have the problem of ACs...
[19:42:31] <NCommander> Can't please everyone
[19:42:37] <janrinok> true
[19:42:43] <CoolHand> AC's deserve no explanation...
[19:42:45] <CoolHand> :)
[19:43:14] <janrinok> we get a fair number of our subs from ACs, and even more comments.
[19:45:29] <CoolHand> true.. but still, I'd worry less about them than named submitters (not talking about comments) if it came down to it.
[19:48:25] <NCommander> If someone is submitting anonymously, they need to accept we can't easily contact them
[19:53:00] <CoolHand> that is my opinion also..
[20:04:03] <janrinok> gtg - see you all tomorrow, I hope :)
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