#editorial | Logs for 2015-07-24

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[00:16:35] <takyon> skimming as heck
[00:16:38] <takyon> lot of comp talk
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[01:21:02] <Bytram|alt> I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!
[01:22:06] <Bytram|alt> rescued: 500107 MB errsize: 512 B errors: 1 average rate: 16708 kB/s run time: 8.31 h
[01:22:48] <Bytram|alt> restarted ddrescue using options: '-r 10 -v' and it was able to recover the single 'iffy' sector -- perfect!
[01:23:19] <Bytram|alt> cmn32480: janrinock: ^^^^
[01:24:30] <Bytram|alt> it had at one point while running, reported errsize: over 31kB but it must have done some retries while I was away; I don't know for sure.
[01:24:35] <Bytram|alt> thanks for all your help!
[01:32:57] <cmn32480> excellent Bytram|alt
[01:34:06] <Bytram|alt> thanks!
[01:34:30] <Bytram|alt> I just realized... I was in such a hurry to get it done I missed something
[01:34:39] <cmn32480> ??
[01:34:53] <Bytram|alt> I should have looked at the contents of the .log file to see which sector was problematic.
[01:35:01] <cmn32480> oh
[01:35:11] <cmn32480> that would have been good.
[01:35:12] <Bytram|alt> now that I reran ddrescue, it's prolly all cleared out, now.
[01:35:17] <Bytram|alt> oh well, ,live and learn
[01:35:23] <cmn32480> meh.. no worries
[01:35:39] <Bytram|alt> just another thing to add to experience, I guess!
[01:35:58] <Bytram|alt> cmn32480: btw, there was another thing I learned.
[01:36:02] <cmn32480> hmm?
[01:36:05] <Bytram|alt> .kick cmn32480
[01:36:11] <Bytram|alt> =)
[01:36:12] <cmn32480> you have no voice
[01:36:27] <Bytram|alt> yeah, I know that. thought you'd get a chuckle, tho!
[01:36:28] <cmn32480> at least in thisn login
[01:36:33] <Bytram|alt> yup
[01:36:37] <cmn32480> janrinok and I were both giggling
[01:36:48] <Bytram|alt> missions accomplished!
[01:37:28] <cmn32480> another highly successful day for Bytram
[01:37:34] <Bytram|alt> question: there should be a way, I would think, to mount the active Win 7 partition in such a way that I could copy the *files* off of it into a parallel tree structure, right?
[01:38:12] <cmn32480> from SRCD probably
[01:38:28] <cmn32480> problem si that windows has lots of hidden crap
[01:38:51] <cmn32480> and I don't know that it buys you much given that you have the disk image
[01:38:51] <Bytram|alt> true, but wouldn't the ntfs-3g driver know about them?
[01:39:05] <cmn32480> oh yes, that will allow you file level access
[01:39:20] <cmn32480> curious as to reason why, thouhg
[01:39:31] <Bytram|alt> yes, but having "native" copies of the files that I can diff / copy / etc. would have its advantages and conveniences, too.
[01:39:55] <Bytram|alt> and, since it's only about 40 GB or so, should not take long.
[01:40:17] <cmn32480> I'd be surprised that it was that big
[01:40:47] <Bytram|alt> problm is that I don't know the incantation to gain access to that partition in such a way that I could do file copies from it.
[01:40:47] <cmn32480> just itching to fill that external drive aren't you
[01:40:48] <Bytram|alt> =(
[01:41:05] <cmn32480> same way you mounted the external
[01:41:20] <cmn32480> but mount sda1
[01:41:24] <Bytram|alt> actually, I have another one that has 500 GB, but it's about half-full already
[01:41:30] <Bytram|alt> hmm, really?
[01:41:43] <Bytram|alt> I'd need to unmount the current one, first, right?
[01:41:51] <cmn32480> the external?
[01:41:52] <cmn32480> no
[01:42:07] <cmn32480> you'll need both mounted to copy between them
[01:42:32] <Bytram|alt> not that one, I mean the current mount of the *entire* *drive*
[01:42:39] <Bytram|alt> the internal one
[01:42:44] <cmn32480> probably
[01:43:13] <cmn32480> but not being a linux guru like some that we know, I'm not sure if yo can mount the whole disk, then mount a piece of it with NTFS-3g
[01:43:43] <cmn32480> there are plenty of peeps here who would know the answer to that.
[01:43:54] <Bytram|alt> same here. I think I'm at the point that I know enough that I'd be able to get myself into trouble.
[01:44:01] <cmn32480> uh huh
[01:44:08] <Bytram|alt> think I'd best leave well enough alone and leave the rest for another day
[01:44:17] <cmn32480> hence my suggestion to reach out to somebody wiht some knowledge like NC
[01:44:23] <Bytram|alt> speaking of rest, about time for me to hit the sack.
[01:44:27] <cmn32480> mee too
[01:44:31] <Bytram|alt> nod nod
[01:44:45] <cmn32480> glad you are making significant progress Bytram
[01:44:53] <Bytram|alt> appreciate everything you've done to make this possible
[01:44:54] <cmn32480> probably been walking on air all day
[01:45:11] <Bytram|alt> not quite, but it helped.
[01:45:17] <cmn32480> good
[01:45:25] <cmn32480> glad to be of service :-)
[01:45:33] <cmn32480> get some rest, my firend
[01:45:37] <Bytram|alt> remember how my car had needed mucho repairs to pass inspection, and for not a heck of a lot more
[01:45:51] <Bytram|alt> I could get another one that was in better shape?
[01:46:02] <Bytram|alt> well, one of my tires ate a nail.
[01:46:07] <cmn32480> DOH
[01:46:14] <Bytram|alt> just far enough into the sidewall that it could not be patched
[01:46:15] <cmn32480> get a plug kit
[01:46:20] <cmn32480> DOH!
[01:46:24] <Bytram|alt> yup.
[01:46:26] <cmn32480> that sucks
[01:46:55] <Bytram|alt> I could prolly get another year out of the existing tires, and of course the nail attacked the tire which had the best tread of all 4!
[01:47:08] <cmn32480> Mexican jumping nail
[01:47:13] <Bytram|alt> so, I had to replace at least one tire
[01:47:13] <cmn32480> worst kind
[01:47:34] <cmn32480> get a used one with approximately the same trad left on it?
[01:47:35] <Bytram|alt> and if I just replaced that, then I'd have one tire that was somewhat larger than the other on that axle
[01:47:45] <Bytram|alt> so I'd need to get at least two tires
[01:47:57] <Bytram|alt> could get a better deal doing it that way.
[01:48:08] <Bytram|alt> then I asked what he could do for me if I got a set of 4.
[01:48:19] <Bytram|alt> remember that I'm in sales, right? =)
[01:48:21] <cmn32480> buy 3 get one free?
[01:48:27] <Bytram|alt> not quite.
[01:49:03] <Bytram|alt> but, I was able to get a new set of 4 tires, and balance, rotate, disposal of the old ones and an alignment for about $430
[01:49:08] <cmn32480> buy 4 no additional fees for stem lube?
[01:49:12] <Bytram|alt> new tires are Goodyear Eagles.
[01:49:28] <cmn32480> not bad
[01:49:32] <Bytram|alt> included everything.
[01:49:38] <cmn32480> not bad at all
[01:49:46] <cmn32480> but sucks that you had to burn $430
[01:49:51] <Bytram|alt> yeh, would have liked it to be less, but I figured that wasn't too bad at all.
[01:49:55] <Bytram|alt> exactly
[01:50:00] <Bytram|alt> here's the good part.
[01:50:06] <cmn32480> warranty
[01:50:11] <cmn32480> for the life of the tire
[01:50:18] <Bytram|alt> I could afford it, in part, because of your generosity.
[01:50:37] <Bytram|alt> If I had shelled out for a new lappy, I doubt I could have swung it atm
[01:50:56] <cmn32480> my thgouht went like this:
[01:51:06] <cmn32480> I can send it to the recycler and get nothing
[01:51:06] <Bytram|alt> so, I have new sneakers on my cars, don't have to worry about hydroplaning, and I'm already set for the winter snow.
[01:51:38] <cmn32480> or, I can "donate" it to a guy who needs it, will use the crap out of it, and will love it for several more years
[01:51:42] <Bytram|alt> s/cars/car/
[01:51:49] <cmn32480> it was a no brainer
[01:51:52] <Bytram|alt> you got *that* right!
[01:52:36] <Bytram|alt> no brainer? I think I qualify for that one! ;)
[01:52:55] <cmn32480> i found some old tech a good home and kept it out of a landfill.
[01:53:05] <Bytram|alt> best of all worlds
[01:53:06] <cmn32480> I am an awful awful person
[01:53:10] <cmn32480> obviously
[01:53:31] <cmn32480> ok
[01:53:33] <cmn32480> bed time
[01:53:42] <Bytram|alt> if i can sock some $ away, I have hopes of picking up an SSD and that should give me plenty of speed for a long time to come
[01:53:49] <Bytram|alt> yeh, bed time sounds good.
[01:53:51] <Bytram|alt> thanks again!
[01:54:03] <cmn32480> the drive that is in it has another year on the warranty
[01:54:12] <cmn32480> it is a WD Black
[01:54:16] <cmn32480> good drive
[01:54:17] <Bytram|alt> oh? NICE!
[01:54:26] <cmn32480> that is NOT the original drive
[01:54:31] <Bytram|alt> is that a factory original or an upgrade?
[01:54:34] <Bytram|alt> oj, ok.
[01:54:39] <Bytram|alt> oh, ok.
[01:54:49] <Bytram|alt> do you know the RPM?
[01:54:50] <cmn32480> I upgraded it from an 80GB about 4 yeasr ago
[01:55:03] <cmn32480> one sec
[01:55:04] <Bytram|alt> why does 80 GB sound familiar? =)
[01:55:20] <Bytram|alt> so you *know* where I was coming from!
[01:55:35] <cmn32480> uh huh
[01:55:49] <cmn32480> checking my order history
[01:56:06] <Bytram|alt> k
[01:57:38] <cmn32480> http://www.newegg.com
[01:57:41] <cmn32480> 7200RPM
[01:57:42] <exec> └─ 13Western Digital Scorpio Black wd5000bpkt 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" Internal Notebook Hard Drive Bare Drive - Newegg.com
[01:58:23] <cmn32480> purchased on 7/14/2011 so you ahve almost exactly 1 year left on warranty
[01:58:29] <Bytram|alt> Big Eyes! NICE!!!!
[01:59:02] <cmn32480> it is a solid drive
[01:59:03] <Bytram|alt> I just did a shutdown -h now on the dell
[01:59:21] <Bytram|alt> and it's about the time we do the same!
[01:59:23] <Bytram|alt> glad to hear it!
[01:59:33] <cmn32480> have a good night Bytram
[01:59:36] <Bytram|alt> sleep well my friend!
[01:59:38] <cmn32480> talk with you tomorrow
[01:59:39] <Bytram|alt> catch you on the morrow
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[11:54:29] <Bytram|alt> buenos nachos!
[11:56:04] <Bytram|alt> *crickets*
[12:06:37] <cmn32480|sleepin> <chirp> <chirp>
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[12:08:09] <Bytram|alt> cmn32480: bon jour mon ami!
[12:08:26] <cmn32480> how we doin' Bytram|alt?
[12:08:32] <cmn32480> good sleep?
[12:09:21] <Bytram|alt> mostly, yes. Only woke up a couple times, so a good one for me. And you?
[12:09:42] <cmn32480> not bad.
[12:10:00] <cmn32480> woke up at 0545... changed my alarm instead of just getting up the 15 minutes early
[12:10:03] <Bytram|alt> good!
[12:10:07] <cmn32480> then slept through the alarm
[12:10:11] <Bytram|alt> lol
[12:10:26] <cmn32480> then woke up and said "SHIT I OVERSLEPT!!!"
[12:10:36] <cmn32480> RightGuard shower... and here I am at the office
[12:11:29] <Bytram|alt> for many many years I used two alarms. One at the headboard of my bed. It went off, I hit snooze. It went off again 9 minutes later, I hit off. 1 minute later, the alarm in the next room went off.
[12:11:44] <cmn32480> could have been woken up by the phone call "You coming in to work today?"
[12:11:48] <Bytram|alt> so, I had a 9-minute wake-up window and then I HAD to get out of bed.
[12:12:01] <Bytram|alt> yeh, that would work, too@!
[12:12:02] <cmn32480> J woudl never allow that
[12:12:21] <cmn32480> she hates that we don't get up at the same time and my alarm wakes her as it is
[12:12:24] <Bytram|alt> 'J'? is that the missus?
[12:12:34] <Bytram|alt> nod nod
[12:12:35] <cmn32480> she didn't lie the suggestion that she just get her ass out of bed when I do
[12:12:44] <Bytram|alt> ouch!
[12:12:45] <cmn32480> that is my missus
[12:13:04] <Bytram|alt> and you still get to sleep in the big bed,eh? she must really love you!
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[12:13:12] <cmn32480> only occassionally
[12:13:18] <Bytram|alt> janrinok: bon jour mon ami!
[12:13:33] <cmn32480> morning janrinok
[12:13:42] <cmn32480> or rather janrinok !!
[12:13:43] <Bytram|alt> cmn32480: yep, keeps a sense of special when everything DOES click!
[12:13:56] <janrinok> Bytram: !! cmn32480 !!
[12:14:14] <janrinok> what are we going to back-up today?
[12:14:19] <cmn32480> she and I have very different sleep wants as far as bed softwness
[12:14:23] <Bytram|alt> ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
[12:14:41] <cmn32480> J likes sleeping on a cloud
[12:14:48] <cmn32480> I prefer a piece of plywood
[12:14:58] <Bytram|alt> janrinok: how about the *files* from my Dell's C(?) drive
[12:15:21] <Bytram|alt> cmn32480: that's quite a difference!
[12:15:42] <Bytram|alt> cmn32480: quick Q: do you recall if the main Win 7 partition is a 'C:' drive?
[12:16:03] <janrinok> if it is win - then it is the C:/ drive
[12:16:08] <Bytram|alt> k
[12:16:14] <cmn32480> yes
[12:16:24] <cmn32480> I do reacll, and yes, it is
[12:16:38] <cmn32480> I don't think you8 can install Win anywhere else to be honest
[12:16:52] <cmn32480> or maybe you can, and I have never tried
[12:17:05] <Bytram|alt> what I'm thinknig is since the external USB drive is NTFS, I should be able to do a file-level copy of everything on the C: drive and be able to access the contents readily
[12:17:11] <janrinok> you've backed up everything at least once, but you could in a moment of madness and with another external drive backup up just a partition - but that would really be a time-waster
[12:17:15] <Bytram|alt> unlike with the partition/image I backed up
[12:17:42] <janrinok> yeah, but to what purpose?
[12:17:45] <Bytram|alt> e.g. plug in USB drive and under windows, I could copy / diff / etc. files
[12:18:20] <Bytram|alt> I *know* those commands and can use 'em on any windows box; noot so much with the linux-y stuff
[12:18:24] <cmn32480> the base OS files are pretty stable. the only time you wilol get reall corruption is if you get a really bad Windows update
[12:18:31] <janrinok> the only files you would want will be in the empty user area on the Win partition
[12:18:36] <Bytram|alt> it's prolly only 40 GB or so, so should be pretty quick
[12:19:11] <Bytram|alt> and the nearly pristine registry entries
[12:19:12] <cmn32480> the actual OS files may change with Windows updates, so the copy may be of little use
[12:19:17] <janrinok> sure - you can, or you can try mounting the saved image and practice getting to them that way
[12:19:31] <Bytram|alt> there is that.
[12:19:43] <cmn32480> ^^ what he said!
[12:20:12] <Bytram|alt> OTOH, the saved image is on the USB drive, so I'd be facing the slower access to that vs the native internal drive.
[12:20:56] <janrinok> so you want to back up the files from the old lappy to the new lappy, in which case all you want is your data?
[12:21:22] <Bytram|alt> I was just thinking that it would be (relatively) quick, and would provide one more option for accessing the files in the future.
[12:21:28] <Bytram|alt> no.
[12:21:40] <janrinok> yeah, but limit it to your own data. I can see a value in that
[12:21:55] <Bytram|alt> talking about backing up new lappy(dell)'s *files* and directory tree onto the external USB drive
[12:22:15] <janrinok> isn't the new lappy empty apart from the OS?
[12:22:38] <cmn32480> OS and Office
[12:22:43] <Bytram|alt> yes, but what empty is and what it *looks like* means something to me
[12:22:53] <Bytram|alt> cmn32480: there is that! thanks for the reminder
[12:23:04] <cmn32480> but yhou have discs for both
[12:23:11] <janrinok> you've lost me, but I'm happy to watch and giggle like usual
[12:23:36] <cmn32480> Bytram|alt: I think we may be at the point of diminishing returns
[12:23:40] <Bytram|alt> true, but the dell has all the updates applied, too.
[12:23:57] <cmn32480> which you have in the image file on the external drive
[12:24:02] <janrinok> and how will that help you in the future? You have saved the lappy's current state
[12:24:07] <Bytram|alt> what am I looking at time-wise? I'm thinking less than 30 minutes?
[12:24:41] <Bytram|alt> I can plug it into *any* windows PC and see exacttly what thingss looked like before I changed anything.
[12:24:55] <janrinok> I'll watch, but I can foresee problems with the registry and other things trying to change individual files in the future
[12:25:00] <Bytram|alt> with the disk images, I gots to find me a linux box or boot from a CD or somesuch.
[12:25:44] <janrinok> OK, I'll watch like I said
[12:25:56] <Bytram|alt> ok
[12:26:11] <cmn32480> gimme sec.
[12:26:23] <cmn32480> checking to see if there is somethign that will mount the ddrescue img file in windows.
[12:26:33] <cmn32480> I THINK Virtual Clone drive will do it
[12:26:38] <Bytram|alt> my question is how do I access the 'c driive' under linux? I'm guessing I need to create a mount pointt and then use ntfs-3g
[12:27:10] <janrinok> do you mean the C:/ drive portion of the image that you have made?
[12:27:58] <janrinok> because if you mean the hard drive, I gave you a link to how to do that a day or two back
[12:28:13] <Bytram|alt> cd /root; mkdir dell_c_drive; ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /root/dell_c_drive
[12:28:28] <janrinok> yep
[12:28:40] <Bytram|alt> !woop
[12:29:01] <cmn32480> if I may make a suggestion?
[12:29:13] <Bytram|alt> sure!
[12:29:27] <cmn32480> is Virtual Clone Drive installed on the dell?
[12:29:39] <Bytram|alt> no idea
[12:29:42] <cmn32480> in the windows partition
[12:29:57] <janrinok> that's a better idea - like you said about 10 lines back :)
[12:30:13] <cmn32480> I woudl install VCD and see if you can read the .img file form the external.
[12:30:27] <cmn32480> if yes, you can mount it as a drive and do whatever you want with it
[12:30:56] <Bytram|alt> hmm... interesting
[12:31:34] <cmn32480> http://static.slysoft.com
[12:31:49] <cmn32480> you can actually install on the netbook, and plug in the USB disk to see if it will work
[12:32:06] <cmn32480> in the ineterest of keeping the dell pristine at the moment
[12:33:11] <Bytram|alt> ok, related question... how do I *see* the files on the NTFS partitions using systemrescuecd
[12:33:29] <Bytram|alt> nvm
[12:33:37] <cmn32480> if it is mounted, i suggest ls
[12:33:40] <Bytram|alt> cd /root/dell_c_drive; ls
[12:33:42] <Bytram|alt> doh!
[12:34:15] <janrinok> remember, hidden drives under Win OS are not hidden under linux
[12:34:23] <janrinok> or hidden files etc
[12:34:52] <Bytram|alt> yup, that's part of the reason for my wanting to do it under Linux -- I *know* it sees *everything*
[12:34:55] <janrinok> it is why linux is often used for forensics
[12:35:38] * janrinok thinks 'well, partly that, there are also much better reasons too'
[12:36:03] * cmn32480 thinks janrionoks OS bias is showing
[12:36:32] * janrinok - all the forensic tools are available immediately from the repos
[12:36:38] <Bytram|alt> hmmm, now that I can see the files on the c drive, I should be able to use 'du' to see how big it is, right?
[12:36:47] <janrinok> yep
[12:37:54] <Bytram|alt> du -cks *
[12:38:02] * Bytram|alt likes that acronym
[12:38:10] <cmn32480> lol
[12:38:28] <janrinok> cmn32480: did you sort out your wiring problem from yesterday?
[12:38:31] <Bytram|alt> you'll not forget it now, right?
[12:38:49] <cmn32480> janrinok - yeah... gotta go back to the site in NOLA
[12:39:04] <Bytram|alt> total: 42316814 KiB
[12:39:38] <Bytram|alt> so, about 42 GB
[12:40:03] <janrinok> that sounds about right with Office included
[12:40:27] <janrinok> 'NOLA' ?
[12:40:35] <Bytram|alt> this may sound stupid, but is there a simple command that copies the entire tree? Is it as simple as a cp?
[12:40:43] <cmn32480> New Orleans, Louisiana (LA)
[12:40:51] <janrinok> thx
[12:41:02] <cmn32480> the state abbreviation for Lousiana is LA
[12:41:11] <janrinok> yep, I recall now
[12:41:37] <Bytram|alt> which has nothing to do with "Los Angeles" or "Lewiston-Auburn' (Maine!)
[12:41:46] <janrinok> Bytram: you can use several different commands - cp, rsync etcd
[12:41:54] <janrinok> that should be etc
[12:42:28] <cmn32480> correct Bytram|alt... but of the 3, Lewisrton, is by far the nicest place to visit
[12:42:48] <Bytram|alt> have you actually *been* there?
[12:43:07] <janrinok> if he has been to the other 2, he might not have too!
[12:43:11] <cmn32480> once. 10-12 years ago
[12:43:15] <janrinok> to!
[12:43:35] <cmn32480> BUt I have also been to Los Angeles and new Orleans
[12:43:55] <Bytram|alt> nod nod; it's prolly been that long for me, too!
[12:44:11] * janrinok starts singing 'I've been everywhere man, of trouble I've had my share, man'
[12:44:17] <cmn32480> outside the French Quarter, NOLA is a shit hole
[12:44:46] <Bytram|alt> cd -p -r /root/del_c_drive/* /root/USB_external/
[12:44:46] <janrinok> are you copying?
[12:44:53] <Bytram|alt> ugh
[12:44:59] <Bytram|alt> cp -p -r /root/del_c_drive/* /root/USB_external/
[12:45:09] <janrinok> I would put another directory underneath USB_external
[12:45:15] <Bytram|alt> I'm thinking that should do it.
[12:45:46] <janrinok> create /root/USB_external/files_backup or something
[12:45:46] <Bytram|alt> hmm, okaay
[12:46:10] <janrinok> otherwise it will be putting files all over the place
[12:46:17] <Bytram|alt> I just noticed there are links(?) in the existing C-drive dir structure
[12:46:43] <Bytram|alt> 'Documents and settings' -> /root/dell_c_drive/Users
[12:46:46] <janrinok> I'm not sure how it handles them - so go for it
[12:46:59] <cmn32480> yup. it'll be fine
[12:47:03] <Bytram|alt> hold on
[12:47:17] <cmn32480> AND THE COPY IS ONE WAY, SO YOU AREN'T GOING TO SCREW UP THE SOURCE
[12:47:24] <cmn32480> stupid caps lock key
[12:47:34] <cmn32480> sorry... didn't mean to yell
[12:48:58] <janrinok> this might take a little longer that your estimate Bytram because you are copying by file, and not by blocks
[12:49:33] <cmn32480> and windows has lots of little files
[12:49:43] <Bytram|alt> true that
[12:50:00] <janrinok> well, so does linux and, I suspect, most other OSes
[12:50:06] <Bytram|alt> trying a slightly different approach to make sure things end up where I expect
[12:50:35] <Bytram|alt> skipping the mkdir commands...
[12:50:58] <Bytram|alt> cd /root/USB_external/dell_c_drive/20150724a
[12:51:23] <Bytram|alt> proposed: cp -p -r /root/dell_c_drive/* .
[12:52:03] <janrinok> looks good
[12:52:44] * Bytram|alt takes one more look at ls --help and 'links'
[12:54:07] <Bytram|alt> hmmm, looks like -p does not get everything
[12:54:20] <Bytram|alt> --preserve=all
[12:54:21] <Bytram|alt> instead
[12:54:52] <Bytram|alt> that will also grab context, links,, and xattr
[12:55:16] <janrinok> does NTFS contain them?
[12:55:38] <cmn32480> NTFS doies have file attributes
[12:55:39] <janrinok> well, links it does, I know
[12:55:43] <Bytram|alt> LOL!
[12:55:57] <Bytram|alt> I can't be the first to want to do this, right?
[12:56:02] <Bytram|alt> cp --archive src dest
[12:56:06] <cmn32480> first in my experience
[12:56:27] <cmn32480> but I've only been in IT for about 20 years... so it's possible you are second
[12:56:40] <Bytram|alt> I mean, copy an entire directory/file tree *exactly* to another location
[12:56:43] <Bytram|alt> LOL!
[12:56:44] <Bytram|alt> :P
[12:57:23] <cmn32480> I know.. my experience is dwarfed by yours and Janrinoks
[12:57:33] <cmn32480> you guys were playing wiht computers before I was born
[12:57:40] <janrinok> but NTFS doesn't have file ownership does it? Or am I that far out of date?
[12:57:54] <cmn32480> NTFS has always had file ownership
[12:57:59] <cmn32480> at least since NT4
[12:58:00] <janrinok> as in users?
[12:58:06] <cmn32480> yes
[12:58:11] <janrinok> groups etc
[12:58:12] <Bytram|alt> new proposal: cd /root/USB_external/dell_c_drive/20150724a; cp ---archive /root/dell_c_drive/*
[12:58:17] <Bytram|alt> sure does!
[12:58:27] <Bytram|alt> IIRC it has ACLs, too
[12:58:31] <cmn32480> yes
[12:58:43] <Bytram|alt> oops, forgot dest
[12:58:50] <janrinok> it's been a long time....
[12:58:55] <Bytram|alt> new proposal: cd /root/USB_external/dell_c_drive/20150724a; cp --archive /root/dell_c_drive/* .
[12:59:33] <janrinok> I'm impressed - we've spent over 10 minutes discussing the cp command!
[13:00:36] <janrinok> I've just realised that I have been a linux user for over 14 years....
[13:00:48] <Bytram|alt> like you, I come from a time when computer time was much more expensive than people; planned things out and desk-checked before even *thinking* of actually trying it on the machine.
[13:01:11] <Bytram|alt> and, things were much *slower* back then, too
[13:01:22] <janrinok> oh I don't know, I'm still slow
[13:02:14] <janrinok> has it started?
[13:02:19] <Bytram|alt> I remember submitting a batch job (yes, punch cards) and waiting 30 minutes for the job to run and for the printouts to be brought out so I could see how my job ran (back in college, that is)
[13:02:30] <Bytram|alt> yes, it has stqrted
[13:02:41] <Bytram|alt> lotsa blinkies from the blue lights
[13:02:57] <janrinok> usually a good sign of progress, or it's about to catch fire...
[13:03:06] <Bytram|alt> I suppose I could have included -v so it would show what it was doing, but did not want to slow it down unnecessariy
[13:03:13] <Bytram|alt> cool!
[13:03:16] <Bytram|alt> or,
[13:03:19] <Bytram|alt> hot damn!
[13:03:23] <Bytram|alt> =0
[13:03:31] <janrinok> as long as you know what options you 'could' have used, you a still learning
[13:03:56] <Bytram|alt> yuppers on that one!
[13:04:10] <Bytram|alt> trade off; more info but would be slower
[13:04:23] <Bytram|alt> I chose the 'ignorance is bliss' route.
[13:04:23] <janrinok> exactly
[13:04:46] <Bytram|alt> guesses on how long it will take?
[13:04:47] <janrinok> or 'it will tell me it if doesn't work' approach
[13:04:53] <Bytram|alt> nod nod
[13:05:03] <Bytram|alt> I'm gonna guess 30 minutes
[13:05:14] <janrinok> no idea - but it is that time of the day again. brb
[13:05:33] <Bytram|alt> nod nod
[13:05:44] <janrinok> 42GB - a bit longer than that I think
[13:05:49] <Bytram|alt> and I can take advantage of this pause to hit the showers, too.
[13:05:55] <Bytram|alt> good point
[13:05:58] <cmn32480> hour
[13:06:04] <Bytram|alt> make it an hour, then.
[13:06:39] <Bytram|alt> okay, off to the showers it is. back in a while
[13:06:52] <cmn32480> stupid brain tatoo
[13:06:56] <cmn32480> thanks a lot
[13:08:34] <janrinok> so was it wired incorrectly?
[13:08:41] <cmn32480> yeah
[13:08:45] <janrinok> oops
[13:08:47] <cmn32480> using LED's as the light
[13:09:09] <cmn32480> so normal electronics woudl be wired to the power and neutral/ground
[13:09:40] <janrinok> easily recoverable?
[13:09:41] <cmn32480> because LED's are one way, they gom from power to power
[13:09:54] <cmn32480> have to touch every one of the bleeping things that are in the ceilings
[13:09:58] <cmn32480> all 250 of them]\
[13:09:58] <janrinok> or rip it out and reinstall?
[13:10:20] <janrinok> ouich
[13:10:23] <janrinok> ouch
[13:11:05] <cmn32480> not rip out.. but rewire every one
[13:13:55] <janrinok> what did your boss say?
[13:14:13] <cmn32480> not particularly happy about it
[13:14:30] <janrinok> no sense of humour, that man
[13:14:33] <cmn32480> we got too much $$ tied up in this to not do it
[13:14:42] <cmn32480> hell I'm not really ahppy about it
[13:15:05] <janrinok> laugh - being pissed off is better than being pissed on
[13:15:19] <cmn32480> unless you are into that kind of thing
[13:15:34] <janrinok> true - but I wasn't considering that an option
[13:16:00] <cmn32480> name a kink adn there are people who are into it
[13:16:15] <cmn32480> do what you want behind your bedroom doors
[13:16:44] <janrinok> I don't piss behind the bedroom door - what have another room for that purpose entirel
[13:16:47] <cmn32480> but you can't really squeal when people sya "Really? I dind't think people actually did that!"
[13:16:48] <janrinok> entirely
[13:17:35] <janrinok> S has just sent her regards - she heard me laughing
[13:18:00] <cmn32480> give S my best, please
[13:18:22] <janrinok> have done, thx
[13:18:58] <cmn32480> is it always me that gives you the giggles and makes her look at you sideways?
[13:19:30] <janrinok> well, it's usually this site but every now and then I find something funny when 'stumbling'
[13:19:46] <cmn32480> gotcha
[13:20:01] <cmn32480> you shoudl watch where you are going. keeps you frmo stumbling (usually)
[13:21:18] <janrinok> I'm just reading the NTFS File System - and I cannot find file user attributes
[13:21:37] <janrinok> ah, security descriptor
[13:22:51] <Bytram|alt> still copyjng
[13:22:58] <Bytram|alt> expect a phone call any moment gtg
[13:23:19] <Bytram|alt> intend to head over to library after copy is done so I can have faster connection
[13:23:19] <Bytram|alt> will check in then
[13:23:24] <Bytram|alt> afk
[13:23:26] -!- Bytram|alt has quit []
[13:23:29] <janrinok> bye
[13:26:13] <cmn32480> gotta run down tho the warhouse... brb
[13:26:17] <janrinok> k
[13:26:25] <janrinok> go get a war
[13:37:46] <cmn32480> ok got my labels for the next print job
[13:38:02] <janrinok> ah, it is an exciting life that you lead
[13:38:19] <cmn32480> Everyday is a party!
[13:38:24] <janrinok> lol
[13:43:26] <cmn32480> You think that IBM story is a slashvertisement?
[13:44:33] <janrinok> no - but someone did
[13:44:48] <janrinok> ah, with you now
[13:45:09] <cmn32480> it was me. I put my initials after all ed comments
[13:45:17] <janrinok> it needs a bit of rewriting, but the expansion makes sense
[13:45:46] <cmn32480> ok. my initial read (while tired) sounded that way.
[13:46:29] <janrinok> it is full of buzzwords but the fact that they have bought Compose is logical. I'm not sure it is worth the effort though
[13:47:24] <janrinok> there are better links after a quick google
[13:48:42] <janrinok> techcrunch have a better one - techcrunch.com/2015/07/23/ibm-acquires-database-as-a-service-startup-compose/
[13:49:42] <janrinok> or http://fortune.com
[14:23:01] <janrinok> I wonder how far away Bytram lives from the library?
[14:23:10] <cmn32480> depends on the branch
[14:23:15] <cmn32480> and how long a shower he takes
[14:23:41] <janrinok> he really is a nice guy to have around. imho
[14:26:11] <cmn32480> absolutely
[15:11:47] -!- Bytram|alt [Bytram|alt!~1861e642@gckp-76-82-825-20.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #editorial
[15:12:15] <Bytram|alt> g'day all!
[15:12:18] <cmn32480> long walk to the library janrinok?
[15:12:32] <Bytram|alt> that took longer than expected, but Ifinally made it to the library
[15:12:37] <cmn32480> hehe
[15:12:40] <Bytram|alt> lol
[15:12:47] <Bytram|alt> now to power up the dell
[15:15:03] <Bytram|alt> starting windows! (finally! =)
[15:15:32] <cmn32480> that only took a couple weeks!
[15:16:56] <Bytram|alt> yeah, i was starting to get 'weak' while waiting =)
[15:17:24] <cmn32480> your patience is exceptional my young Padawan.
[15:17:44] <Bytram|alt> you thanks give I
[15:17:54] <Bytram|alt> RPN FTW!
[15:18:25] <Bytram|alt> now comes the *fun* part, deciding what progs to install and in what order!
[15:18:37] <cmn32480> yes, and it doens't matter!
[15:18:45] <Bytram|alt> au contrair!
[15:19:06] <Bytram|alt> I'm thnking of copying over my 'downloads' tree and my 'util
[15:19:07] <Bytram|alt> tree
[15:19:15] <Bytram|alt> oh, thanks!
[15:19:17] <cmn32480> here it comes... QA guy comes out again!
[15:19:30] <Bytram|alt> need to find out what the start env vars are before I muck with things
[15:19:47] <cmn32480> what precisely are you looking for?
[15:19:55] * Bytram|alt opens a cmd window =)
[15:20:09] <cmn32480> program 1) Hexchat
[15:21:26] <Bytram|alt> nod nod... but that's gonna be wicked fun... getting the right ports and all and connected with the 'redirector doohickie thingy'
[15:21:42] <janrinok> I thought he had fallen asleep in the shower
[15:21:43] <Bytram|alt> so, i saved my initial env var settings in a file
[15:21:45] <cmn32480> not a problem.
[15:22:09] <Bytram|alt> huh!
[15:22:19] <cmn32480> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[15:22:19] <Bytram|alt> windows_tracing_flags=3
[15:22:23] <exec> └─ 13ZNC - SoylentNews
[15:22:24] <cmn32480> juggs wrote up the instructions
[15:22:35] <cmn32480> he is the man!
[15:22:44] <Bytram|alt> windwos_tracing_logfile=c:\BVTBin\Tests\installpackage\csilogfile.log
[15:22:54] <Bytram|alt> never saw *that* before!
[15:22:59] <cmn32480> and I can give you all the hexchat side
[15:23:11] <cmn32480> your ZNC account hasn't changed. we jsut need to set up the client
[15:23:29] <cmn32480> which I can walk you through
[15:23:43] <Bytram|alt> nod nod
[15:23:53] <Bytram|alt> I assume I'm admin on the dell?
[15:24:00] <cmn32480> hell no
[15:24:03] <Bytram|alt> oh
[15:24:05] <cmn32480> I'm the admin on the dell!
[15:24:08] <Bytram|alt> LOL!
[15:24:08] <cmn32480> :-)
[15:24:11] <cmn32480> of course
[15:24:16] <cmn32480> you are the only user account at this time
[15:24:22] <Bytram|alt> you're gonna need some longer arms!
[15:24:27] <cmn32480> nope
[15:24:30] <cmn32480> Teamviewer
[15:24:39] <Bytram|alt> k, that's what i thought but wanted to be absolutely sure
[15:24:43] <cmn32480> works like freaking magic over a decent internet connection
[15:24:50] <Bytram|alt> never used it
[15:24:54] <janrinok> he's really got a mate who works in the NSA...
[15:25:02] <Bytram|alt> I did turn off remote access
[15:25:12] <cmn32480> SHHHHHHHHHH!H!!!!!!! janrinok!
[15:25:25] <cmn32480> teamviewer has a no install quick connect
[15:25:27] <janrinok> shouldn't I say 'mate'? ;)
[15:25:29] <cmn32480> I use it all the time
[15:27:26] * Bytram|alt sets defaults for cmd window: screen buffer160x9999 window size160x60
[15:28:11] <Bytram|alt> screen text color: cyan (0,255,255)
[15:28:23] <Bytram|alt> ahhh, much better!
[15:28:31] <cmn32480> heh
[15:28:36] * Bytram|alt looks for the right USB drive
[15:28:47] <cmn32480> you sure it ins't the one on the left?
[15:28:50] <janrinok> I just love watching this - I'm going to sell my TV
[15:29:02] <cmn32480> S probably thinks you are nuts
[15:29:12] <janrinok> she KNOWS I'm nuts
[15:29:15] <Bytram|alt> ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:29:57] <janrinok> she was looking for someone different - not sure she got what she was thinking of, but I'm certainly different
[15:30:02] <cmn32480> probably why she loves you
[15:30:14] <janrinok> does she love me - damn, she kept that quiet
[15:30:27] <Bytram|alt> on your advice, I plugged the toshiba (old USB drive; 500 GB with my old file copy backups) on the LEFT hand side!
[15:30:28] <cmn32480> and janrinok wins the understatement of the year contest!
[15:30:35] <Bytram|alt> lol
[15:30:37] <janrinok> I think it is my sense of humour....
[15:30:43] <Bytram|alt> your device is ready to use!
[15:30:57] <cmn32480> <janrinok> I think it is my faulty sense of humour....
[15:30:59] <cmn32480> FTFY
[15:31:02] <Bytram|alt> autoplay. UGH!
[15:31:52] <Bytram|alt> I just want it to connect and then SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR ME
[15:32:14] <janrinok> how many qa men does it take to install software - at least 3, one to press the buttons, one to write down which buttons he pressed, and one to look up what pressing each button does
[15:32:21] <Bytram|alt> BTW, it came up as my 'E:' drive
[15:32:49] <Bytram|alt> I must be *good* -- I can do the work of THREE people! =)
[15:33:04] <janrinok> .... eventually
[15:33:26] <Bytram|alt> control panel > All Control panel items > AutoPlay
[15:33:46] * Bytram|alt unchecks [ ] Use AutoPlay ffor all media and devvices
[15:33:52] <janrinok> I've got to go and cook - just as it was getting good on here again
[15:34:08] * Bytram|alt clicks save
[15:34:18] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[15:34:28] <janrinok_afk> have fun, see you in a while
[15:34:32] <Bytram|alt> janrinok: are you set up with the logger thingy?
[15:34:40] <janrinok_afk> yep
[15:34:54] <Bytram|alt> if not, this channel IS logged, you can always come pack and enjoy it later
[15:35:11] <Bytram|alt> gives ya something to llook forward to, tthen!
[15:35:15] <Bytram|alt> give my nest to S
[15:35:21] <Bytram|alt> *best
[15:35:47] <cmn32480> I don't think she wants your appartment.
[15:35:53] <cmn32480> she has a house with a garden
[15:35:55] <janrinok_afk> she wants me to give you your nest back - bye!
[15:36:02] <Bytram|alt> that's okay, neither do I! :/
[15:36:10] <Bytram|alt> ciao for now!
[15:36:16] <cmn32480> E: woudl be correct
[15:36:23] <cmn32480> C is internal system disk
[15:36:28] <Bytram|alt> nod nod
[15:36:32] <cmn32480> D is CDROM
[15:36:43] <cmn32480> E is next on the list
[15:36:51] <cmn32480> hook the other one up and it ought to be F
[15:37:01] <Bytram|alt> on XP my tools tree is at c:\tools
[15:37:06] <cmn32480> and Win 7 will remember the drive letters for the different externals
[15:37:11] <Bytram|alt> do you see any reason why I should differently here?
[15:37:16] <Bytram|alt> nodnod
[15:37:25] <cmn32480> not really.
[15:37:33] <cmn32480> mine is under the Downloads directory in my user account
[15:37:43] <cmn32480> because that is where Windows will default a download to
[15:37:45] <Bytram|alt> thought not, but best sts (Safe Than Sorry)
[15:37:55] <cmn32480> saves me clicks
[15:38:01] <Bytram|alt> speaking of which, I also normally have c:\downloads
[15:40:10] <Bytram|alt> brain cramp; c:\tools\util
[15:41:21] * Bytram|alt opens e:\from_HP\tools, Select all, copy opens dell's c:\tools; paste
[15:41:45] <Bytram|alt> says about 10 minutes remaining
[15:41:54] <Bytram|alt> yeah, write(!)
[15:42:32] <Bytram|alt> copying 43,335 items 91.37 GB)
[15:42:42] <Bytram|alt> copying 43,335 items (1.37 GB)
[15:43:30] <Bytram|alt> 60 s remaining
[15:44:22] <Bytram|alt> AVG thinks there are viruses.
[15:44:51] <Bytram|alt> MKS toolkit filever.exe
[15:45:17] <Bytram|alt> known prog but very old, not suprised it had a false detect
[15:46:07] <Bytram|alt> I don't see any way to tell AVG thatit is okay.
[15:46:27] <Bytram|alt> [remove selected] [remove all]
[15:46:29] <Bytram|alt> BAH!
[15:47:11] <cmn32480> shoudl eb a button for a;;ow
[15:47:20] <cmn32480> should be a button for allow
[15:47:38] * Bytram|alt clicked '?' and opened help
[15:47:51] <Bytram|alt> found topic 'What can I do it some of the files are safe?
[15:49:55] <Bytram|alt> note down those files; remove the files (they will be locked away into the Virus vault), Open the Virus Vault, find the file you believe is safe, right click on it and select 'Send to analysis' this will send the file for anbalysis to the AVG ThreatLabs or to the technical suport team who will then contact you back.
[15:50:09] <Bytram|alt> if the file is confited to be harmless, you can restore it from the virus vault
[15:50:24] <Bytram|alt> I can proly restore it w/o their permission.
[15:50:32] <cmn32480> I woudl agree
[15:50:37] <Bytram|alt> whew
[15:50:37] <cmn32480> if you are sure it is safe
[15:51:12] * Bytram|alt clicks remove all
[15:51:35] <Bytram|alt> both reports were of the same file 'filever.exe' -- it was located in two different places on the drive
[15:51:46] <Bytram|alt> non-critical \; not gonna worry about it now.
[15:51:49] <cmn32480> ooooo bytram has duplicates!
[15:52:19] <Bytram|alt> windows has a Dialog box up: File Access denied
[15:52:33] <cmn32480> on the external drive? or internally?
[15:52:35] <Bytram|alt> You'll have to provide administratr permission to copy this file
[15:52:37] <Bytram|alt> filever
[15:52:51] <cmn32480> AHHHH... UAC notification
[15:52:57] <Bytram|alt> [continue][skip][cancel] [x] do this for all current items (1 found)
[15:53:01] <Bytram|alt> nod nod
[15:53:12] * Bytram|alt clicks [Continue]
[15:54:05] <Bytram|alt> Item Not Found; This is no lonbger ocATED IN e:\fROM_hp\TOOLS\mks\tk6_1\BIN. vERIFY THE ITEM'S LOCATION AND TRY AGAIN. (FILEVER)
[15:54:13] <Bytram|alt> caps lock; sry!
[15:54:26] * Bytram|alt clicks skip -- AVG yanked it out from under windows
[15:54:50] <Bytram|alt> well, actually I tried [Try Again] but ended up at the same place
[15:55:05] <cmn32480> better safe than sorry
[15:55:13] <Bytram|alt> saw it appear again for the other location, clicked skip, DONE!
[15:55:52] * Bytram|alt is gonna set a global ENV VAR: util which points to my util dir -- there are progs in thee which should be able to find most other locations
[15:56:17] * Bytram|alt looks for 'Advanced properties'
[15:56:41] <Bytram|alt> ahh,'Advanced System Settings'
[15:57:28] <Bytram|alt> System Properties / Advanced tab / [Environment Variables] button
[15:57:42] <Bytram|alt> System Variables
[15:58:33] <Bytram|alt> Var name: util
[15:58:39] <Bytram|alt> Var value: C:\tools\util
[15:58:44] <Bytram|alt> OK
[15:59:28] <Bytram|alt> now need to update the path
[16:01:47] <Bytram|alt> catch 22; got bunches of stuff in my 'final' path that does not yet exist
[16:01:59] <Bytram|alt> set
[16:03:27] * Bytram|alt needs to remember to bring over .autorun.cmd, too
[16:05:18] * cmn32480 thinks Bytram|alt is exceptionally thorough, and is impressed.
[16:07:15] <Bytram|alt> gracias!
[16:08:02] <Bytram|alt> on second thought, at this point I'm gonna copy over my downloads dir so i can get Pale Moon installed; with that I can get to IRC as I am now.
[16:08:22] <Bytram|alt> while the files are copying, I can plan out strategy on env vars adn the like
[16:09:56] <cmn32480> be aware that many programs that ran in XP will NOT run in 7, depending on age.
[16:09:56] <Bytram|alt> well! that *was* a good idea; 56,719 items (8.76 GB)
[16:10:02] <cmn32480> you amy need to download new versions
[16:10:11] <Bytram|alt> nod nod
[16:10:36] <Bytram|alt> I've generally found that once I have something installed, there's a [relatively] easy path to upgrade.
[16:10:47] <Bytram|alt> about 18 minutes remaining
[16:11:17] <Bytram|alt> time for a break... get away from the machines and revisit strategy
[16:11:53] <cmn32480> okie. I'll be here...
[16:12:09] <cmn32480> watching this sag unfold has been very interesting
[16:12:16] <Bytram|alt> making progress... *19* minutes remaining! =)
[16:12:35] <cmn32480> that number will sit at 30 seconds for abotu 5 minutes in my experience
[16:12:56] <Bytram|alt> I'm glad; there's a lot more to re-setting up a machine than immediately comes to mind; that much i *DO* know!
[16:13:05] <Bytram|alt> ta ta for now (ttfn)
[16:13:08] <Bytram|alt> afk
[16:51:20] <Bytram|alt> back
[16:51:28] <cmn32480> front
[16:51:50] <Bytram|alt> just had a hot-fudge and peanut butter sundae made with chocolate ice cream... YUM!
[16:52:02] <Bytram|alt> oh, and the copy is done, too!
[16:52:18] <cmn32480> so jealous... I can't eat regular ice cream
[16:52:33] <Bytram|alt> hmmm, external drive light is blinking... I bets windows is trying to index it. lol
[16:52:46] <Bytram|alt> sry to hear that.
[16:53:20] <Bytram|alt> I'm somewhat lactose intolerant, but it seemed worth taking a chance, and I was hungry and nearby. good rationalization, eh?
[16:54:13] <Bytram|alt> I think I'm going to install pale moon
[16:54:22] <Bytram|alt> v25.5.0 from my D/L dir
[16:54:49] <Bytram|alt> hmmm, that's the atom/winXP version.
[16:55:01] <Bytram|alt> don't want that, now
[16:55:15] * Bytram|alt goes to look for regular version on line
[16:56:53] <Bytram|alt> Hmm, do want the regular version or Pale Moon x64?
[16:57:08] <cmn32480> x64 generally
[16:57:25] <Bytram|alt> k, that's what I thought, but I appreciate the confirmation!
[16:57:42] <Bytram|alt> I can use wget on the new box, but now I gots to find where it is!
[16:58:22] <cmn32480> keep in mind, breyers makes a cocolate and vanilla lactose free
[16:59:34] <Bytram|alt> thanks for the info!
[16:59:57] <Bytram|alt> I'm going to update my path so it can at least findd the util dir
[17:04:14] <Bytram|alt> HAH! I had at an earlier time issued a command: PATH > repath.bat
[17:04:20] <Bytram|alt> and left the results in my util dir
[17:04:29] <Bytram|alt> repath and ta dah!
[17:05:15] <Bytram|alt> oops. need some temp env vars set
[17:06:55] <Bytram|alt> Looks like windows has already set up TEMP and TMP env vars; both point at: C:\Users\bytram\AppData\Local\Temp
[17:10:20] <Bytram|alt> better to define it as: %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\tmpdir
[17:11:43] <Bytram|alt> NOW we're getting somewhere!
[17:11:47] <Bytram|alt> which -a wget
[17:12:14] <Bytram|alt> bingo!
[17:14:47] <Bytram|alt> looking at the cautions here: http://www.palemoon.org
[17:14:50] <exec> └─ 13Pale Moon - x64 builds
[17:14:56] <Bytram|alt> I think I will stick with the 32-bit version for now.
[17:15:30] <Bytram|alt> http://www.palemoon.org
[17:15:32] <exec> └─ 13Download the Pale Moon browser
[17:20:06] <takyon> all 3 of the articles I just put out are on the sketchy side, and should be double checked
[17:20:52] <takyon> about pale moon x32/x64
[17:22:00] <takyon> reading the link I can't say that I'm bothered by the "cautions"
[17:22:18] <takyon> the plugins warning doesn't even ring true at all...
[17:22:44] <Bytram|alt> no?
[17:22:53] <Bytram|alt> in a way, jut makes sense to me
[17:22:59] <Bytram|alt> s/jut/it/
[17:23:15] <takyon> I don't see how the extensions would fail on 64-bit
[17:23:33] <cmn32480> I'm with Takyon
[17:23:39] <takyon> oh it says "plugins"
[17:23:39] <cmn32480> I don't see any issues here.
[17:23:41] <Bytram|alt> grrr, my netbook's fan is 'buzzy', and intermittently
[17:23:45] <takyon> aka those shitty things nobody wants anymore
[17:23:57] <takyon> aka Adobe Flash, Hacking Team's greatest threat vector
[17:24:19] <Bytram|alt> I understand that.
[17:24:29] <takyon> NPAPI plugins are about to be completely phased out
[17:24:36] <Bytram|alt> It's just that, at this point, I need to be *certain* that I've got a solid browser
[17:24:45] <takyon> nobody needs certainty
[17:24:52] <Bytram|alt> you sure about that?
[17:24:58] <cmn32480> nothign wrong w/ 32bit Bytram
[17:25:01] <Bytram|alt> First Base!
[17:25:01] <takyon> I am uncertain :)
[17:25:13] <Bytram|alt> BSTS
[17:25:16] <cmn32480> Who's on first?
[17:25:22] <Bytram|alt> I don't know!
[17:25:26] <takyon> well if any application can chew up 8 GB of RAM, it's my web browser(s)
[17:25:36] <cmn32480> He's on third
[17:25:37] <Bytram|alt> u got that right!
[17:26:14] <takyon> I'm using the developer edition of Firefox, and I noticed they tried to swith to a multiprocess architecture recently
[17:26:24] <takyon> it failed really badly though.
[17:26:32] <Bytram|alt> buzzing fan is driving me nuts... I think the netbooks cse is a little loose anbd it sets up sympathetic vibrations
[17:26:36] <takyon> and then they disabled it in from being the default in dev
[17:26:43] * Bytram|alt looks for ear buds
[17:27:10] <takyon> has the netbook segment evolved or has it become the chromebook and 2-in-1 (tablet/laptop) segment now
[17:27:33] <cmn32480> netbook became chrome book/tabtop
[17:27:54] <Bytram|alt> I have a EeePC from about 7/8 years ago
[17:28:09] <takyon> they should stick a Core M chip in a netbook. blow away those old Atom/Celeron/AMD E300/whatevers
[17:28:19] <cmn32480> Bytam|alt's house: Where old hardware goes to sit in a closet
[17:28:23] <takyon> also blows up the price
[17:28:43] <takyon> liliputing.com/2015/07/intel-skylake-chips-up-to-50-percent-better-graphics.html
[17:28:44] <Bytram|alt> installed windows on 20080807
[17:29:07] <takyon> I think Intel is going to mislead on Skylake graphics performance
[17:29:26] <Bytram|alt> why ever would they do *that* ?? :P
[17:29:37] <cmn32480> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[17:30:23] <takyon> i'm a bit nervous about the execution unit counts
[17:30:33] <takyon> i'm the guest post in the comments
[17:31:54] <takyon> anyway back to Soylent: I didn't set the Snowden story to display since it is a major troll coming from an actual NSA loyalist (the specific complaint about Snowden leaking too much stuff has been around for over a year now)
[17:32:30] <takyon> on the Nature News story I added some extra info to make it a lot less inflammatory, from a link that Nature News used as a source
[17:32:57] <takyon> I also altered the headline from sterilization to birth control, because I don't see it as sterilization and that word doesn't seem to be used as much in the articles
[17:33:31] <takyon> in the IBM soyvertisement I changed "not offer" to "now offer" which massively changes the meaning of that sentence
[17:40:32] <Bytram|alt> darn. i blew up something on my music player (old android phone that I use as mini-tablet)
[17:40:49] <Bytram|alt> guess I should copy over my media files, while I am at it
[17:42:08] <takyon> sounds like format shifting
[17:42:11] <takyon> you're under arrest
[17:45:24] <Bytram|alt> I am blown away! I just reflexivelly invoked emacs to edit a file... and it worked! all my pathing subprograms and env vars did the right thing...
[17:45:43] <Bytram|alt> except I'vfe got tomake adjustments for the screen size, but ... wow!
[17:45:45] <Bytram|alt> NCIE!
[17:45:47] <Bytram|alt> NICE!
[17:52:01] <takyon> your computer will now adjust to your emotional state
[17:52:14] <Bytram|alt> not so nice; dell doesn't see network atm
[17:56:37] <Bytram|alt> got reconnected. D/Led pale moon at over 2 MB sec!
[18:00:40] <cmn32480> library has a good connection
[18:05:34] <Bytram|alt> nod nod
[18:05:58] <Bytram|alt> if all goes according to plan; sometime this winter it will be upgraded to gigabit
[18:06:24] <Bytram|alt> both at the main branch and at the (smaller) branch office
[18:06:34] * Bytram|alt starts to install Pale moon
[18:07:03] <Bytram|alt> C:\Program Files (x86)\Pale Moon\
[18:07:28] <Bytram|alt> don't want on desktop, okay in start menu
[18:07:31] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[18:07:33] <Bytram|alt> want as default browser
[18:07:42] * Bytram|alt clicks install
[18:07:44] <janrinok> hi guys = just finished backreading!
[18:08:02] <cmn32480> I find reading forwards helps a lot
[18:08:07] <cmn32480> makes it more understandable
[18:08:19] <janrinok> think you what that's
[18:08:19] <Bytram|alt> install completed. /me clicks [finish] and allows it to launch palemoon now
[18:08:29] <cmn32480> YEs MAster Yoda.
[18:08:47] <Bytram|alt> import from IE? Why would I?
[18:09:00] <Bytram|alt> (*) Don't import anything
[18:09:01] <janrinok> it's got a sense of humout
[18:09:16] <Bytram|alt> goes along with the sense of hum-in
[18:09:50] <cmn32480> I like hummus
[18:09:52] <Bytram|alt> we have browser!
[18:10:01] <Bytram|alt> grpund chick peas... yum!
[18:10:06] <Bytram|alt> *ground
[18:10:16] <Bytram|alt> oh, joy.
[18:10:28] <cmn32480> I prefer to get them before they hit the ground
[18:10:32] <cmn32480> less dirty that way
[18:10:35] <Bytram|alt> I've got like 20 addons/plugins/whatevahyacallits to install
[18:10:42] <janrinok> takyon: do you want me to kill the Snowden story and move the others up?
[18:10:50] <cmn32480> sounds like user error.
[18:11:20] <takyon> don't necessarily kill the story
[18:11:24] <janrinok> hitting the ground is cruelty - they should just give it a stern rebuke
[18:11:30] <takyon> I just wanted to see what you all thought about it
[18:11:49] <janrinok> I made the comment that it is biased
[18:12:29] <janrinok> and don't think there is much there tbh - you can run it if you want though
[18:12:51] <janrinok> It reads to me as though it is a smear job
[18:14:34] <janrinok> wtf is P666 doing putting in several subs in one doc? the man has gone mad
[18:15:38] <janrinok> He is the only person who seems to be suffering from a posting delay with subs. I can post 1 every 2 minutes easily
[18:18:15] <Bytram|alt> I just did a HUGE Downnload of upgrades to my browser; shutting down to install 'em may be gone for a bit, so will take short break, too
[18:18:26] <janrinok> cu in a few mins
[18:19:47] <takyon> that multisub is ridiculous
[18:20:15] <janrinok> yep - I'm not sure I like it but he is the major source of subs at present
[18:20:23] <takyon> considering Phoenix666 stories usually run with little editing it's not too terrible
[18:20:48] <janrinok> how you going to do it. Copy them and resubmit them yourself?
[18:20:51] <takyon> if I'm not mistaken as long as you have the URL to the multisub handy you can keep publishing it as multiple stories - just deleting the content you don't need.
[18:21:25] <takyon> so you just open the multisub in like... 10 tabs, and then edit them to isolate a single story and headline each. then publish. The Orig Sub link is done for you now
[18:21:48] <takyon> so it looks bad but I think it won't be as bad as we think
[18:22:03] <janrinok> rather you than me
[18:22:16] <takyon> how about I find the best 2 and try it...
[18:22:41] <janrinok> you will have to do them all at once, because you can't store it again one you have released the first one
[18:22:42] * Bytram|alt is taking advantage of the time to copy 1870 items (10.8 GB) of music files from external to local
[18:22:44] <takyon> although it would disappear from the sub queue after posting the first story
[18:22:52] <Bytram|alt> back in a bit
[18:23:07] -!- Bytram|alt has quit [Quit: Web client closed]
[18:23:10] <takyon> "because you can't store it again one you have released the first one"
[18:23:26] <janrinok> which means that we can't mix submitters - not that that is the end of the world
[18:23:56] <takyon> actually it is stored in the original submission link... so you'd have to use the story list to find a story you picked out of the multisub, click on the orig sub, and then publish again
[18:24:12] <takyon> it disappears from the sub queue but it is still in the system like every submission, even deleted ones
[18:24:23] <janrinok> oh, I know it can be done, but that leaves you with a lot of work
[18:24:51] <takyon> well time to try it
[18:25:02] <janrinok> bon courage!
[18:25:34] <takyon> the open science movement is story is just a site page! not even an article
[18:30:10] <takyon> wait for it
[18:31:11] * janrinok is not quite sure what he is waiting for ...
[18:31:25] <takyon> ok it took about 7 minutes to run 3 stories
[18:31:31] <cmn32480> bedtime?
[18:32:10] <janrinok> why are they all held?
[18:32:20] <takyon> I felt like holding it in
[18:32:31] <takyon> wanted to check for mistakes too
[18:33:08] <janrinok> hold away - if I am still here when you release them I 2nd them
[18:37:43] -!- Bytram|alt [Bytram|alt!~1861e642@gckp-76-82-825-20.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #editorial
[18:38:21] <takyon> that was intense
[18:38:27] <takyon> watched the Half Life on smartwatch video
[18:40:25] <Bytram|alt> ahhh, more 'joy' confilicts with 'desktop.ini' in source/dest dirs...E:\From_HP\Documents and Settings\pc\My Documents\My Music\desktop.ini C:\Users\bytram\My Mysic\desktop.ini
[18:41:06] <Bytram|alt> but... there is no such file on the destination???
[18:41:13] <Bytram|alt> oh, wait. I'll bet it is hidden!
[18:41:42] <cmn32480> it is. skip[ copying in the one
[18:42:00] <cmn32480> don't overwrite the desktop.ini.
[18:42:11] <cmn32480> problems will happen.
[18:42:17] <cmn32480> I don't remember what, but they do
[18:43:05] <Bytram|alt> yeah, I finally found the one that would have been overwritten (it was in C:\Users\bytram\Music\desktop.ini)
[18:43:14] <Bytram|alt> and it contained references to system resources.
[18:43:18] <Bytram|alt> gonna leave it be!
[18:43:26] * Bytram|alt clicks [Skip]
[18:43:38] <Bytram|alt> copy completed
[18:44:50] <Bytram|alt> I thought I had an extension which dumped a list of what addons/extensions I had installed on my browser.
[18:44:56] * Bytram|alt goes looking for it
[18:45:18] <takyon> they might be getting antsy over this gates foundation story
[18:45:35] <janrinok> who is 'they' and why?
[18:47:29] <takyon> 2 commenters and because natural news is biased
[18:49:14] <cmn32480> 2 commentoers getting antsy?
[18:49:23] <cmn32480> let's stop the presses!
[18:49:25] * Bytram|alt copies 24 dirs; 60,604 items (3.69 GB) from/to My Documents (up to, but excluding the My* dirs)
[18:49:50] <takyon> I'm extrapolating
[18:49:55] <takyon> the article had just come out
[18:50:02] <Bytram|alt> about 12 minutes remaining
[18:51:04] <takyon> ok bbl
[18:51:23] <takyon> https://firstlook.org
[18:51:27] <exec> └─ 13Exclusive: Feds Regularly Monitored Black Lives Matters Since Ferguson
[18:51:33] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[18:51:35] <exec> └─ 13No More Hidden Sugar: FDA Proposes New Label Rule : The Salt : NPR
[18:52:04] <janrinok> any idea why we would want those links?
[18:52:23] <takyon> nope
[18:52:27] <janrinok> lol
[18:53:31] <janrinok> we've got a feeds channel, and rss-bot channel, and now we are getting links on here as well?
[18:54:40] <janrinok> takyon: any chance you can redirect them to one of the other 2 channels I have mentioned? I assume they are from a bot?
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[18:58:03] <Phoenix666> hi guys, wanted to drop in and apologize for throwing multiple articles in single submissions.
[18:58:35] <Phoenix666> i had a bunch lined up but didn't have time to wait for the speed bump to submit them one-by-one
[19:02:09] <cmn32480> PHoenix666 - I believe the term "What the fuck is he doing?????!?!?!?!!" was used
[19:02:29] <Bytram|alt> Phoenix666: thanks for that; question: are you a subscriber, ,by chance? I don't know, but that might have a quicker submit rate permitted???
[19:02:34] <Bytram|alt> anyone else here know?
[19:02:53] <Phoenix666> i had to go to my daughter's first theater performance :-)
[19:03:06] <Phoenix666> I'm not a subscriber
[19:03:13] <Bytram|alt> nod nod
[19:03:53] <Bytram|alt> like I said, I don't know it it has relaxed rules on story submissions.
[19:04:12] <Bytram|alt> I'm curious, do you have any idea, off hand, how many of your submissions have been accepted?
[19:04:37] <cmn32480> I have posted the questiont o the devs
[19:04:42] <Phoenix666> Not many, about 5% have been rejected maybe
[19:04:42] <Bytram|alt> k
[19:05:11] <Phoenix666> half of the rejects were because somebody had already submitted it
[19:05:20] <Bytram|alt> I'm in the process of transitioning between computer systems, so I can't check now like I could, otherwise.
[19:05:34] <Bytram|alt> just thinking out loud at this point.
[19:05:49] <Bytram|alt> thanks so much for all your submissions!
[19:06:02] <Phoenix666> I think when i asked before the speed bump is about 20 secs but in practice it's 5 mins or more
[19:06:11] <Phoenix666> sure
[19:06:21] <Bytram|alt> I don't always agreee with your sense of humor, but your closing 'comments' always make me think a bit and certainly invites further discussion
[19:06:33] <Bytram|alt> Phoenix666++
[19:06:33] <Bender> karma - phoenix666: 4
[19:06:36] <Bytram|alt> Phoenix666++
[19:06:36] <Bender> karma - phoenix666: 5
[19:06:36] <Bytram|alt> Phoenix666++
[19:06:36] <Bender> karma - phoenix666: 6
[19:06:36] <Bytram|alt> Phoenix666++
[19:06:36] <Bender> karma - phoenix666: 7
[19:06:44] <Phoenix666> :-)
[19:07:11] <Phoenix666> i figure if discussion's the thing we're all here for, better more than less
[19:07:23] <Bytram|alt> you got that right!
[19:07:40] <Phoenix666> it's a funny thing
[19:07:51] <Phoenix666> there are often comments about people want more technical articles
[19:08:03] <Phoenix666> but they don't tend to generate a lot of discussion
[19:08:24] <Phoenix666> it's stuff like "what's your favorite pen?" that gets people to open up
[19:09:34] <Bytram|alt> I'm thoroughly enjoying the discussionon the Hawking/Intelligent Aliens story
[19:09:39] <Phoenix666> anyway if there's a way to submit these faster, it would help me at least
[19:10:04] <Bytram|alt> and, I'm far enougha long that I just \brought up SN in my new box's browser!
[19:10:16] <Phoenix666> nice
[19:10:31] <Phoenix666> what's OS, hardware?
[19:12:39] <Bytram|alt> Phoenix666: I just took a look at your submission history; I see submissions; Total: 324 Accepted: 90%
[19:13:02] <janrinok> Phoenix666: the last time you asked we did not find any intentional delay other than the 20 seconds that we mentioned last time. There is probably a delay elsewhere, but no-one else is seeing it. HTH
[19:13:08] <Phoenix666> not bad, in baseball i'd be making big money
[19:13:18] <Bytram|alt> that works out to somewhere on the order of 290 accepted submssions
[19:13:22] <Bytram|alt> WOW!
[19:13:33] <cmn32480> he is prolific
[19:13:49] <cmn32480> and the lions share are well done
[19:13:56] <Bytram|alt> truly.
[19:14:02] <Phoenix666> thanks, guys
[19:14:21] <Bytram|alt> no, thank YOU!
[19:16:19] <Phoenix666> i have a rhythm down but the submit delay does hold me back. should I just script submissions so i queue them up on my side and send them out every 5 minutes?
[19:16:38] <janrinok> that would ease our job considerably
[19:17:09] <janrinok> and allow them to be spaced out with other subs. We can achieve both but it would be easier
[19:18:27] <Phoenix666> OK, I'll do that.
[19:20:43] <janrinok> gtg - see you guys tomorrow sometime
[19:21:27] <cmn32480> night janrinok!!
[19:21:33] <janrinok> night !
[19:23:16] janrinok is now known as zz_janrinok
[19:28:59] <takyon> is phoenix666 still here
[19:29:05] <Phoenix666> yeah still here
[19:29:14] <takyon> I ran 3 out of your first batch
[19:29:17] <takyon> might run the penis one
[19:29:22] <Phoenix666> cool, thx
[19:29:24] <takyon> the uh... what was it
[19:29:26] <Phoenix666> sorry about bundling
[19:29:55] <takyon> the open science movement one is like a page on a site
[19:30:05] <cmn32480> I just printed a batch of test labels that say I Heart Moose Wang
[19:30:24] <takyon> and of course the kepler story is a dupe
[19:30:30] <takyon> gj cmn
[19:30:45] <Phoenix666> ok
[19:31:10] <Phoenix666> i got the open science one via CmdrTaco's Trove site
[19:31:38] <takyon> I don't think the bundling is too terrible. I was able to use multiple tabs to run 3 of your stories in 7 minutes, then did a little cleanup later
[19:34:19] <Phoenix666> i'm gonna try to script submissions from my side so i can build up a queue locally and not run afoul of the speed bump
[19:39:09] <Phoenix666> alright, another one on doping in professional gaming in the hopper from Der Spiegel. my translation of the summary's a little rough. hope people don't mind too much...
[19:39:34] <takyon> so nobody can confirm this "speed bump" you're experiencing
[19:39:38] <Phoenix666> gotta bundle my clan into the car for the weekly trip to Long Island. catch you guys later!
[19:40:01] <takyon> one more thing. ask janrinok about his bot later
[19:40:04] <takyon> later
[19:40:05] <Phoenix666> ok
[19:40:09] <Phoenix666> ciao
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[19:45:17] * Bytram|alt just finished installing a boat load (metric) of pale moon extensions
[19:46:04] <Bytram|alt> next up will be hexchat and maybe PuTTY, but I'm gonna take a break before i get started on those!
[19:46:12] <Bytram|alt> making excellent progress!
[19:46:17] <Bytram|alt> afk
[20:41:54] <Bytram|alt> still plugging away.
[20:42:08] <cmn32480> if you leave it plugged in, it'll work better
[20:42:30] <Bytram|alt> got some wierdness with ANSICON.exe which allows me to get a different color for my comand prompt than for the rest of my CMD window
[20:42:36] <Bytram|alt> not gonna worry about it now
[20:42:41] <Bytram|alt> next up hexcchat!
[20:42:49] <Bytram|alt> cmn32480: btw, great joke!
[20:43:04] <cmn32480> the Moose wang?
[20:43:28] <Bytram|alt> plugging away
[20:46:53] <Bytram|alt> installing hexchat (2.10.0?) toC:\Program Files (x86)\HexChat (i.e. the default)
[20:47:15] <Bytram|alt> added spelling dictionaries
[20:48:04] <Bytram|alt> don't see anything else that I know I want
[20:48:10] * Bytram|alt clicks Next
[20:48:59] <Bytram|alt> Portable Mode: Stores configuration files within install direcdtory for portable drives. [ ] Yes
[20:49:07] <Bytram|alt> that sounds like an improvement.
[20:49:22] * Bytram|alt enables that one and clicks on [ ] Yes
[20:50:00] <Bytram|alt> get Dialog box: "Portlable mode is only intended for use on portable drives and has been diabled."
[20:50:06] <Bytram|alt> ugh.
[20:50:17] <Bytram|alt> nice try, kimosabi
[20:50:23] * Bytram|alt clicks Install
[20:51:03] <Bytram|alt> please wait while downloading other files (23.8 MB)
[20:51:20] <Bytram|alt> please wait while installing hexchat on your computer
[20:51:45] <Bytram|alt> [v] Run HexChat after closing the Wizard
[20:51:53] * Bytram|alt clicks Finish
[20:52:07] <Bytram|alt> nad now the funbegins
[20:52:26] * Bytram|alt looks for the wiki link that cmd posted here earlier
[20:52:55] <cmn32480> you own't need that
[20:53:23] <cmn32480> connect to irc.soylentnews.org/60000
[20:55:42] <Bytram|alt> oh, NICE! THANKS!!!!!
[20:56:22] <cmn32480> nick is bytram/soylent
[20:56:34] <cmn32480> username is same
[20:56:40] <cmn32480> login methid is default
[20:57:57] <cmn32480> whatever your password for ZNC is
[20:58:08] <cmn32480> Character set is UTF-8
[20:59:05] <Bytram|alt> umm, before I was bytram, I was martyb -- I bet that it is how I am known to the ircserver
[20:59:43] <cmn32480> got me sport
[20:59:56] <Bytram|alt> User Information: Nick name / Second Choice / third Choice / User name:
[21:00:19] <Bytram|alt> ahh, username should be: martyb/soylent (i'd think)
[21:00:28] <cmn32480> possible
[21:00:35] <Bytram|alt> nicks are aliases for my actual user name
[21:00:57] <takyon> #deep
[21:01:40] <cmn32480> the # is always deep in here
[21:02:03] <Bytram|alt> under Networks on the 'Hexchat: Network List" dialog, I see I can "Add" a new network; call it SoylentNews
[21:02:21] <cmn32480> yes
[21:03:20] <Bytram|alt> then I pressed Enter; now see it in the list and I jhighlighted, so now I cliked "Edit..."
[21:04:13] <Bytram|alt> I see a "servers" tab highlighted; prepopulated value is: "newserver/6667"
[21:04:17] <cmn32480> connect to irc.soylentnews.org/60000
[21:04:23] <Bytram|alt> nod nod
[21:04:45] <Bytram|alt> done.
[21:05:20] <cmn32480> check box 1, 3, 4, 5
[21:05:24] <Bytram|alt> tab: autojoin channels. #Soylent for now?
[21:05:49] <cmn32480> thta'll get filled by ZNC as the channels you are connected to when you leave
[21:06:27] <Bytram|alt> ckboxes: Connect to selected server only, bypass proxy srvr, use SSL for all the servers on this net, and accept invalid SSL certs are ALL checked;
[21:06:32] <Bytram|alt> all other are NOT checked
[21:07:16] <Bytram|alt> ok
[21:08:56] <Bytram|alt> there's text boxes for: Nick name, Second choice, Real name, user name, login method (Default / drop down list box), passsword: character set (UTF-8 / drop down list box)
[21:09:12] <cmn32480> yes, theis is the screen I thought we were on
[21:09:22] <cmn32480> this si the server specific stuff
[21:09:31] <Bytram|alt> oh
[21:09:37] <cmn32480> mea culpa
[21:09:49] <takyon> get in this twitch
[21:11:22] <cmn32480> how welooking Bytram|alt?
[21:11:30] <Bytram|alt> login method?
[21:11:36] <cmn32480> default
[21:11:43] <Bytram|alt> and I'm looking for my pwd
[21:11:54] <cmn32480> Oh. I might suggest password corral v4 as a password safe.
[21:12:19] <Bytram|alt> thnaks
[21:12:23] <cmn32480> Iheartmoosewang probably
[21:12:40] <Bytram|alt> Ima goona tryy 'Default' for the passwoord method
[21:13:30] <Bytram|alt> it tried, but invalid PWD
[21:13:37] <Bytram|alt> also, windows firewall had a fit
[21:13:45] <cmn32480> hehehe
[21:13:55] <cmn32480> what'd the FWE have an issue with?
[21:14:01] <cmn32480> new program?
[21:14:08] <Bytram|alt> yeah, unprotected netword
[21:14:12] <Bytram|alt> ZI said 'shutup'
[21:14:37] <Bytram|alt> with SSL, I not too woried about it.
[21:14:49] <Bytram|alt> had to kill it tho, wrong pwd.
[21:14:50] <cmn32480> agreed
[21:15:03] <cmn32480> jusggs cna change the pwd if needed
[21:15:09] <cmn32480> juggs rather
[21:16:26] <Bytram|alt> that's good to know
[21:16:58] <cmn32480> yup. w/o correct pwd.. you are kinda stuck
[21:17:06] <Bytram|alt> I've got a couple other ideas, but not sure how to update hexchat with the new ones to use
[21:17:29] <Bytram|alt> nvm
[21:17:34] <cmn32480> highlight the network adn click edit
[21:17:37] <Bytram|alt> brings up the dialog when I start it/ doh!
[21:17:58] <cmn32480> brb..
[21:18:22] <Bytram|alt> nope, not THAT one =)
[21:19:01] <Bytram|alt> hmm, not that one either
[21:21:02] <Bytram|alt> strange, it looks like it connected but it was complaining about 1) connecting too fast and 2) something about invalid certificate.
[21:21:14] <Bytram|alt> I'm taking a smoke break and will come back and try again.
[21:21:15] <cmn32480> check the box that accepts all certs?
[21:21:23] <Bytram|alt> thanks so MUCH for your help!
[21:36:27] <Bytram|alt> ok, just tried again and clearly saw invalid pwd
[21:36:33] <cmn32480> ok
[21:36:42] <cmn32480> you gotta talk to juggs
[21:37:46] <cmn32480> glad I can help.
[21:38:17] <Bytram|alt> yeah, I've tried the obvious ones. looks like I need jugg' help
[21:38:43] <cmn32480> he'll get paged in here next time he loggs in
[21:38:50] <cmn32480> I'm sure he will see it.
[21:39:44] <Bytram|alt> I might be able to find it on my old lappy, too.
[21:40:42] <Bytram|alt> I wonder if I dare to install thunderbird now? that's like 4 or 5 differennt email accts to set up and D/L.
[21:42:10] <cmn32480> might as well do it whil eyou ahve a decent connection
[21:42:21] <cmn32480> but I gotta head out
[21:42:29] <cmn32480> wife jsut called askign if I was coming home
[21:44:14] <Bytram|alt> yeah, but I'm pretty well burned out atm
[21:44:25] <Bytram|alt> best not to create a problem that makes more work to undo.
[21:44:31] <cmn32480> can't imagine why!
[21:44:37] <Bytram|alt> I've got plenty enough cleanup to do already!
[21:44:42] <cmn32480> :-)
[21:44:48] <Bytram|alt> right!
[21:44:49] <cmn32480> but it is all in the name of progress.
[21:44:53] <Bytram|alt> exactly
[21:45:02] <cmn32480> be sure to get your tethering program before you get off the library network
[21:45:12] <Bytram|alt> I have most of my files brought over, pale moon is runing (and I get to IRC from there)
[21:45:26] <Bytram|alt> yeah, but there's a pwd for that, too, which I dpon't recall.
[21:45:34] <cmn32480> ruh rih
[21:45:37] <cmn32480> ruh roh
[21:45:42] <Bytram|alt> need to bring the new lappy to the cell store and get their help with that one.
[21:45:54] <cmn32480> good luck BYtram
[21:46:04] <cmn32480> I ogtta run
[21:46:19] <Bytram|alt> yup; best to yur wife and kids!
[21:46:37] <Bytram|alt> and thanks again! I'm having fun with this one! It does seem much faster, too!
[21:46:39] <Bytram|alt> =)
[21:46:45] <cmn32480> it ought to be
[21:46:46] <Bytram|alt> ciao for now
[21:46:50] <cmn32480> ttfn
[21:46:51] <Bytram|alt> quit
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[21:47:15] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|afk
[22:09:47] <juggs> Bytram - which password are you having issues with?