#editorial | Logs for 2015-07-21
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[00:42:47] <paulej72> takyon: it would not take much to have the notes that are there visible by default. lets try it for a while and see what we think
[00:43:32] <paulej72> as in the current version
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[02:40:11] <cmn32480> anybody think we ought to dump this one?
[02:40:12] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[02:40:17] <exec> └─ 13Major Technology News Site Experiences Outage: SoylentNews Submission
[02:40:58] <cmn32480> coolhand takyon zz_janrionk ^^
[02:41:04] <takyon> sup
[02:41:17] <takyon> we deleted the rest of the slashdot outage stories
[02:41:23] <takyon> but after slashdot was sourceforge
[02:41:27] <takyon> I think it's boring
[02:41:33] <cmn32480> I was traveling adn didn't see any of it
[02:41:40] <cmn32480> gone it goes then
[02:42:16] <cmn32480> off to the bin
[02:42:37] <cmn32480> thanks. I haven't been around much all week
[02:42:45] <cmn32480> all last week I mean
[02:55:45] <takyon> on the gewg Remix Mini story some details were a bit old or extra so I trimmed them out
[02:56:07] <cmn32480> k
[02:56:11] <takyon> it seems that the device with extra RAM/storage is $40 despite talk of it going to $50
[02:56:22] <cmn32480> I'm exhausted. time for me to hit the sack
[02:56:24] <takyon> I think that may have something to do with payment difficulties people were having
[02:56:26] <takyon> good night
[02:56:33] <cmn32480> thanks takyon
[02:56:44] <cmn32480> sleep well, my friend
[02:57:29] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|afk
[11:35:13] <cmn32480|afk> herro?
[12:02:23] cmn32480|afk is now known as cmn32480
[12:46:02] zz_janrinok is now known as janrinok
[12:46:19] <janrinok> cmn32480: herro to u too
[12:46:28] <cmn32480> janrinok !!
[12:47:42] <janrinok> cmn32480: !!
[12:47:58] <cmn32480> how we doing this morning?
[12:48:51] <janrinok> very tired - S had an appt at hospital which meant getting up v early - so I'm missing my sleep a little bit
[12:49:11] <janrinok> ... but the results were fine so that is good news ;)
[12:49:16] <janrinok> how about with you?
[12:49:21] <cmn32480> glad to hear ti was good news
[12:49:29] <cmn32480> same old same old.
[12:49:34] <cmn32480> wishing I was home sleeping
[12:49:43] <cmn32480> not in the office dealing wiht the bull
[12:50:33] <cmn32480> I spend my days fighting with technology... and it is becoming very draining
[12:50:48] <cmn32480> and idiots... I fight wiht idiots a lot too
[12:51:26] <janrinok> I can sympathise
[12:53:01] <cmn32480> I know. That is why I can come here to complain. :-)
[12:53:08] <cmn32480> the folks here understand
[12:53:47] <janrinok> we are getting a lot of 'politics' stories - too many for my liking. Any views?
[12:54:26] <cmn32480> there are quite a few lately... some vaguley tech related... mostly not
[12:54:46] <cmn32480> I'd rather see more tech, but politics generates more discussion
[12:54:47] <janrinok> I'm sure the topics are widely covered elsewhere - they certainly are in Europe
[12:55:39] <janrinok> we are, IMHO, in danger of printing them simply as they are the only subs we have. I feel we should be more selective
[12:57:01] <cmn32480> I would generally agree... however, what is in the sub queue is limited, and few of us have the time to write the stories ourselves.
[12:58:02] <janrinok> I've moved them to the 'Hold' queue - for use if we need them. But I would rather have fewer stories than drive away our community by printing more of the same that they get everywhere else
[12:58:35] <cmn32480> understood
[12:59:18] <janrinok> I see that takyon has posted a few - so he is obviously OK.
[12:59:37] <cmn32480> he was around last night. I don't think he sleeps
[13:00:14] <janrinok> where is he based?
[13:00:24] <cmn32480> US East coast
[13:01:52] <cmn32480> south of me I think, but don't quote me on that
[13:02:08] <janrinok> time for tea - brb
[13:02:23] <cmn32480> coffee cup is empty... good point!
[13:05:56] <cmn32480> bleeping printers are the bane of my existance
[13:07:48] <CoolHand> cmn32480: u need to convert to the paperless office..... ;)
[13:07:58] <CoolHand> whatever happened to that anyway?
[13:08:56] <cmn32480> rather difficult when you sell printers Coolhand
[13:09:17] <cmn32480> the lumber industry killed it\
[13:11:43] <janrinok> CoolHand: !!
[13:12:13] <cmn32480> dang it
[13:12:15] <cmn32480> i forgot
[13:12:18] <cmn32480> coolhand !!
[13:16:41] <CoolHand> cmn32480 !! janrinok!!
[13:16:47] <CoolHand> sorry guys, real busy at work... in and out..
[13:16:49] <janrinok> how's things?
[13:17:03] <janrinok> well, that answered that question
[13:18:59] <cmn32480> we are pretty busy too... I'm just at the point where I don't care.
[13:26:27] <cmn32480> that isn't completely true
[13:26:37] <cmn32480> I still care. I jsut have no motivation to do anythgin about it
[13:27:18] <janrinok> if there was a way to change it - you would do it. But you are frustrated because you feel helpless in your current position and that makes you feel undervalued
[13:29:16] <cmn32480> drowning is the word that I think best describes it
[13:29:50] <janrinok> I hope that you only mean that figuratively ! If not, get your boss to call the plumber
[13:30:31] * janrinok notes that if cmn32480 wanted practical solutions, he wouldn't be asking janrinok ....
[13:31:50] <cmn32480> rofl
[13:31:56] <cmn32480> thanks... I needed the smile
[13:58:28] <cmn32480> I am down to 120 emails! from 240 when I came in this morning
[13:58:33] <cmn32480> slow progress
[13:59:13] <janrinok> I find that deleting them all and seeing who sends the email again a good technique. Blame a computer glitch!
[14:00:09] <cmn32480> no dice on that.. I run the mail server too!
[14:00:23] <janrinok> so you can even manufacture the computer glitch!
[14:00:48] <cmn32480> They will still blame me... lose-lose on that idea
[14:00:56] <cmn32480> but if I wipe the whole system........
[14:01:31] <janrinok> just apply 115v across the hard drive and claim that it malfunctioned
[14:01:51] * janrinok notes that we are better off in Europe - we can play with 240v
[14:01:52] * cmn32480 tents his fingles....
[14:02:06] <cmn32480> my server room is 208
[14:02:26] <janrinok> er, are you expecting me to run a cable in?
[14:02:42] <cmn32480> 208v
[14:02:51] <cmn32480> three phase
[14:02:54] <cmn32480> commercial
[14:03:03] <janrinok> ah, I was wondering what the room number had to do with things...
[14:03:08] <cmn32480> 2 hots and a shared neutral
[14:03:18] <janrinok> we play with 400V :)
[14:03:32] <cmn32480> you're nuts
[14:03:40] <janrinok> yeah, we don't deny it
[14:03:48] <cmn32480> don't know if you heard... but that shit'll kill you. QUICJK!
[14:04:23] <janrinok> after 28 Kv from a tv line transformer, I stopped worrying about the V so much but more about the I
[14:04:56] <cmn32480> I reiterate my previous statement. You're nuts!
[14:05:06] <janrinok> guilty as charged
[14:05:40] <janrinok> I didn't do it on purpose, but it left me on the other side of the room with a little burn mark on my arm
[14:06:00] <cmn32480> sounds like you got lucky
[14:06:12] <janrinok> many years ago, now of course, we don't have line transformers in TVs any more
[14:08:33] <janrinok> they take away all the fun things to play with ... But now I get this cool jacket which ties behind my back and stops me from hurting myself. It also explains my crap typing...
[14:09:04] <cmn32480> you have an "I Love Me" jacket too?
[14:09:22] <cmn32480> mike was a free gift when they installed the rubber room.
[14:09:58] <janrinok> that's one of the reasons that they gave it to me - I used to love too many young ladies apparently
[14:11:30] <cmn32480> oh my!
[14:11:35] <cmn32480> lucky lucky
[14:23:43] <janrinok> cmn32480: 'scuse my ignorance, but in the Bethesda Software story, what is the significance of the final paragraph and the list of 4 x 'The Overseer'?
[14:25:32] <cmn32480> yes
[14:27:28] <janrinok> well having read the link and being none the wiser for it, I think that I would have cut that piece - but, I'm not a gamer.
[17:51:19] <cmn32480> ~time
[17:51:22] <exec> syntax: ~time location
[17:51:23] <exec> time data courtesy of Google
[17:51:29] <cmn32480> ~time baltimore md
[17:51:32] <exec> Tuesday, 21 July 2015 @ 1:51 pm EDT - Baltimore, MD, USA
[17:51:40] <cmn32480> cripe... 2pm... I probably ought to eat something
[18:04:03] <janrinok> ~time saint brieuc France
[18:04:06] <exec> Tuesday, 21 July 2015 @ 8:04 pm GMT+2 - Saint-Brieuc, France
[18:13:47] <cmn32480> google knows where you are!
[18:13:49] <cmn32480> scary
[18:14:18] <janrinok> well, I gave it an easy one - I don't think it would know if I actually type the village name in
[18:15:43] <janrinok> is your afternoon any better than your morning?
[18:15:51] <cmn32480> ~time armpit
[18:15:53] <exec> Tuesday, 21 July 2015 @ 2:15 pm EDT - Camden, NJ, USA
[18:16:00] <janrinok> lol
[18:16:04] <cmn32480> interesting.
[18:16:18] <cmn32480> exec shares names between time and weather
[18:16:25] <cmn32480> ~timer hell
[18:16:29] <cmn32480> ~time hell
[18:16:31] <exec> Tuesday, 21 July 2015 @ 2:16 pm EDT - Washington
[18:16:51] <cmn32480> somewhat.
[18:16:59] <cmn32480> been trying to get a few thigns straight
[18:17:54] <cmn32480> and telling people that I will get to them after I get through the backlog seems to have helped
[18:18:23] <janrinok> what happened to your new sidekick, or hasn't (s)he started yet?
[18:18:32] <cmn32480> he hasn't started yet.
[18:18:42] <cmn32480> actually, I need to check with him adn see if he received the offer letter
[18:20:20] <cmn32480> can you smell the burnout in my typing?
[18:24:28] <janrinok> yep - I thought it might have been my cooking from earlier, but no, it's coming from the computer...
[18:31:10] <cmn32480> that'd be me
[18:31:33] <janrinok> any chance that you can take a few days holiday?
[18:35:05] <cmn32480> August 15. for 6 working days
[18:35:13] <janrinok> hang on in there
[18:35:46] <cmn32480> I think I am throguh the worst of it.
[18:35:50] <janrinok> you guys work far harder than is even legal in Europe
[18:38:17] <cmn32480> it is very dependant on the person adn the corporate culture where you work
[18:38:39] <cmn32480> some places (and certain jobs within companies), the culture is out at 5pm
[18:38:58] <cmn32480> and think not of the place until you get a cup of coffee in the morning
[18:40:01] <cmn32480> part of it is my personality
[18:40:48] <cmn32480> but... I got help coming.. I just have to hold onto the boat a little longer
[18:41:03] <cmn32480> and he found the offer letter in his junk mailbox
[18:41:09] <cmn32480> stupid spam filters!
[18:41:33] <janrinok> perhaps that is a reflection of the offer the company made? hehehe
[18:41:54] <cmn32480> that hurts
[18:42:03] <cmn32480> I had a large hand in that offer
[18:42:21] <janrinok> ah, I take it back then, (but still giggling privately)
[18:42:21] <cmn32480> I'm not saying it isn't true... just that it hurts
[18:44:16] <cmn32480> you see the notes coolhand put in?
[18:44:22] <cmn32480> on the human fuel cell story
[18:44:32] <janrinok> nope
[18:44:44] <cmn32480> look at the original sub and get a giggle
[18:44:54] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[18:44:59] <cmn32480> the last line is all that matters
[18:44:59] <exec> └─ 13Your Body, the Battery: Powering Gadgets from Human “Biofuel”: SoylentNews Submission
[18:46:19] <janrinok> Phoenix666 is doing that quite a bit recently. Because he is one of our major contributors, he is beginning to think that he can write anything.
[18:46:45] <janrinok> It goes back to what I was saying earlier. If they are not up to snuff, then don't post them.
[18:46:48] <cmn32480> yeah. and we have started pulling the stuff that is just him being mena
[18:46:51] <cmn32480> *mean
[18:47:25] <janrinok> good call by CoolHand though
[18:47:38] <cmn32480> absolutely
[18:48:47] <janrinok> I also change subs from Art T K to 'suggests' rather than 'writes' - it is only a bot scrape when all is said and done.
[18:48:59] <cmn32480> oh my
[18:49:05] Bytram|afk is now known as Bytram
[18:49:10] <janrinok> Bytram: !!
[18:49:16] <cmn32480> there goes the neighborhood....
[18:49:32] <janrinok> shhh, don't tell him what I just said...
[18:49:33] * Bytram decloaks his romulan bird of prey
[18:49:39] <cmn32480> I never noticed how close Art's name is to a certain hosts file proponent we all know adn love
[18:50:01] <Bytram> that reminds me! I haven't updated mine in ages. :/
[18:50:06] <Bytram> janrinok: bon jour!
[18:50:14] <Bytram> cmn32480: hola! welcome back!
[18:50:31] <janrinok> bon jour mon ami, ca va?
[18:50:45] <Bytram> Gesundheit!
[18:50:46] <janrinok> or, more correctly, bonjour
[18:50:51] <Bytram> =)
[18:50:59] <Bytram> on vacation this week...
[18:51:10] <Bytram> my main machine hiccuped really bad this AM.
[18:51:16] * janrinok wipes up mess of all these languages dribbling down his chin...
[18:51:25] <janrinok> your new one?
[18:51:38] <Bytram> was able to get it stabilized, but pushed to try booting with the SystemRescueCd I burned
[18:51:43] <Bytram> the old one
[18:51:56] <cmn32480> whoo! at least it wasn't the "new" one
[18:51:59] <Bytram> I've gotten to the point where I can 'see' that I have:
[18:52:05] <Bytram> /dev/sda and
[18:52:08] <Bytram> /dev/sdb
[18:52:14] <Bytram> and there's also
[18:52:17] <janrinok> ah, let it sit in peace, and load linux on the new one :) Nirvana!
[18:52:20] <Bytram> /dev/sda1 and
[18:52:22] <Bytram> /dev/sdb1
[18:52:40] <janrinok> OK, you understand what it is telling you?
[18:52:42] <Bytram> but then I gets stuck in trying to use the bloody things!
[18:52:51] <cmn32480> for the moment Bytram still resides on the dark side with me in Windows
[18:53:13] <janrinok> sda is a phyiscal hard drive device, sda1 is the first partition on that device
[18:53:17] <cmn32480> did you get an image yet?
[18:53:27] <cmn32480> ^^what he said
[18:53:33] * Bytram is in the very deep dark shadow world of windows [cue eerie music...] XP!
[18:53:44] <cmn32480> THUNDERCLAP!
[18:53:50] <Bytram> not yet, like I said, I got stuck
[18:54:07] <Bytram> [tocatta and fugue in something minor]
[18:54:23] <janrinok> if you want to PM sometime and I can help talk you through it while you are on vacation, let me know
[18:55:03] <janrinok> but you've got 2 hard drives, and a single partition on each
[18:55:46] <Bytram> here's the deal.. talking to you now on my old, XP, machine. kinda hard to do that while I'm also trying to ddrescue
[18:56:00] <Bytram> and I use a windows program to tether my phone so I can get internet access
[18:56:06] <janrinok> nigh on impossible with any degree of success
[18:56:51] <cmn32480> um... new PC... install tether program. install hexchat...
[18:57:00] <janrinok> so, in Win speak, you have drive C: and drive D:. Which one is your windows installed on (Usually C/:)
[18:57:24] <Bytram> I do have an old netbook that I could refresh with my latest win stuff and then use *that* to go online whilst I try to backup the lappy
[18:57:45] <cmn32480> or - take image of pristine new windows box. and do above
[18:57:48] <janrinok> Is your new machine working?
[18:58:05] <janrinok> i.e. tethering etc?
[18:58:17] <Bytram> yeah, but I want as pristine an image to backup from that, which means schlepping off to a library to complete the install... and then imaging that box before I make any significant changes.
[18:58:25] <Bytram> ^^
[18:58:30] * cmn32480 thinks bytram might have the patience of a statue
[18:58:50] <janrinok> have you got any spare USB drives lying around?
[18:58:56] <Bytram> I had plans to head to the library this am, but then found out if was closed today -- summer hours.
[18:59:41] <janrinok> what is on each of the drives on your old lappy?
[18:59:43] <Bytram> janrinok: I picked up a new 1TB drive, it is apparently formatted NTFS -- according to gparted(?) when I had it connected under SystemRestoreCd (SRCd)
[18:59:56] <Bytram> old lappy has a single Seagate 80 GB drive.
[19:00:05] <janrinok> that is standard, Win formatting.
[19:00:08] <Bytram> new USB drive is a WD 1 TB
[19:00:27] <Bytram> I also have a 500 GB Toshiba that I've used for file-level backups
[19:00:30] <janrinok> how big are your lappy drives
[19:00:36] <cmn32480> I believe that SRCD can write to NTFS
[19:00:38] <Bytram> old lappy is 80 GB
[19:00:50] <Bytram> new[er] netbook is 120, but as 3 partitions
[19:01:00] <Bytram> new lappy is 500 GB.
[19:01:30] <Bytram> when I do the ddresuce, I want to the put the log file someplace on the same drive that I'm backing up to, but not sure how to go about it
[19:01:31] <janrinok> you can copy the full lappy drive into a single file on the WD 1TB drive, ditto with the 120GB. it will all go on the 1TB with 800GB to spare!
[19:01:57] <Bytram> yes, but I can't seem to *access* anything on the 1 TB
[19:02:07] <Bytram> I think I needs to 'mount' it?
[19:02:39] <janrinok> If you plug it in while SystemRescue is running, I would expect it to automount it
[19:03:08] <janrinok> i.e. do not plug it in until SR is up and running
[19:03:08] <Bytram> I tried to 'cd' to it, but wouldn't let me.
[19:03:15] <Bytram> that's what I had done
[19:03:32] <janrinok> are you trying to access it as a user or as root?
[19:04:14] <janrinok> root == administrator in win-speak
[19:04:25] <cmn32480> SRCD runs as root by default
[19:04:32] <Bytram> SRCd boots and leaves me at a term window, with prompt suggesting root
[19:04:45] <janrinok> that's good then
[19:04:47] <Bytram> please bear with me as this is all from memory, such as it is!
[19:05:04] <janrinok> np - just so that I can try to find out what has worked and what hasn't
[19:05:51] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:05:54] <janrinok> so you are trying to do this from the commandline?
[19:06:27] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:06:44] <janrinok> try typing lsblk
[19:07:11] <Bytram> I am 8quite* familiar with the GNU-isms of '--help' '--version' and '-v' and the like
[19:07:14] <Bytram> lsblk
[19:07:19] <Bytram> nothing happens.
[19:07:21] <Bytram> =)
[19:07:30] <janrinok> lists all the block devices that it knows about
[19:08:05] <janrinok> and, because you are on the commandline, it will not automount your 1TB drive
[19:08:49] <janrinok> are you data capped on your internet connection?
[19:08:51] <Bytram> "fdisk -l" showed me /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1
[19:09:03] <Bytram> yep, 5 GB a month
[19:09:17] <Bytram> running quite a bit heavier so far this monthn
[19:09:27] <Bytram> oh, wait.
[19:09:31] <Bytram> 2.5 GB per month
[19:09:32] <janrinok> they sound like drives in the computer. Tell me what you know about the computer you are currently running SRCD on
[19:09:54] <Bytram> hold on
[19:10:03] <janrinok> e.g. should it have 2 drives installed already?
[19:11:06] <Bytram> nope, only has one internal drive; 80 GB seagate
[19:11:27] <Bytram> go here: http://www.cgsecurity.org
[19:11:31] <exec> └─ 13Damaged Hard Disk - CGSecurity
[19:11:35] <Bytram> and then scroll down to where you see:
[19:11:47] <janrinok> then the sdb1 drive is probably the 1TB drive
[19:12:00] <Bytram> lshw -C disk
[19:12:11] <Bytram> mine internal drive is the same as that one.
[19:12:22] <Bytram> it comes up as /dev/sda
[19:12:34] <Bytram> whe3n I plugged in the 1 TB external, that came up as /dev/sdb
[19:13:07] <janrinok> bingo - that's the first hurdle out of the way
[19:13:12] <Bytram> yay!
[19:13:15] <Bytram> janrinok++
[19:13:15] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 32
[19:13:36] * Bytram is thinking of a new olympic sport: marathon ... with hurdles
[19:13:43] <janrinok> so you have a single 80GB hard drive that you want to back up onto the 1TB drive, is that correct?
[19:14:17] <Bytram> YES!
[19:14:24] <Bytram> and both are NTFS
[19:14:56] <janrinok> now copying 80GB is not going to be fast, so you will lose the computer during the copying - and we are looking at hours rather than a few minutes
[19:15:00] <Bytram> from what I've seen, ddrescue is the best tool to use for the backup 'cause I've got some bad areas on my lappy's internal hard disk
[19:15:11] <Bytram> yep, I am familiar
[19:15:28] <janrinok> which version of SR are you using?
[19:15:53] <Bytram> but, at least it will mostly be consecutive sectors/cylinders, instead of random jumping around the disk which would happen if I were doing a file-by-file copy
[19:15:58] <Bytram> just a sec
[19:16:09] <Bytram> v4.5.3
[19:16:26] <Bytram> burned to a CD on 20150711
[19:16:46] <janrinok> OK, I download the same version
[19:16:57] <Bytram> you did it much faster than I did!
[19:17:50] <Bytram> I was given an old Android phone and was able to D/L it at work over their free wifi one sunday AM in about 30 minutes (or was it 10? I don't recall for sure)
[19:18:16] <Bytram> during normal daytime hours, it would be slow as molasses.
[19:18:48] <janrinok> mine is saying 6 minutes until completion
[19:19:22] <Bytram> oh, ok. I thought you meant that you had already D/L'ed it
[19:19:55] <janrinok> we are not going to be able to do it now, because I am only minutes away from becoming a nurse again! What time can you be on tomorrow?
[19:20:07] <Bytram> btw, I just found out that they are running 1 Gbit fiber 300' up the street from where I grew up -- and for only $80/month!
[19:20:10] * Bytram drooooools
[19:20:26] * janrinok drooools too
[19:20:28] <Bytram> what works for you?
[19:20:38] * cmn32480 drooooools too
[19:20:52] <janrinok> Any time from 1300 GMT is good for me
[19:21:17] <janrinok> sry -UTC (old habits die hard)
[19:21:19] <Bytram> okay, it's now 19:20 for you?
[19:21:37] <Bytram> oh, wait, you're prolly one time zone over... right?
[19:21:48] <janrinok> no its 21:21 here, but I quoted UTC to make the conversion easy for you :)
[19:21:51] <cmn32480> +6 from us Bytram
[19:21:58] <Bytram> cmn32480: nod nod
[19:22:13] <cmn32480> WooHoo! Position 1 in the suport queue
[19:22:33] <Bytram> I am scary good with numbers, but when it comes to time deltas, I keep losing my point of reference and get quickly and easily confused.
[19:22:56] <Bytram> so, 1300 GMT is 0900 EDT?
[19:23:12] * Bytram thinks we REALLY need a tz conversion bot
[19:23:23] <janrinok> well, by the time you are up, awake and had coffee I will be OK
[19:23:39] <cmn32480> hehehehehe
[19:23:53] <Bytram> !tz 1300 GMT as EDT
[19:23:56] * cmn32480 thinks Bytram might need a real internet connection
[19:24:02] * Bytram notes we could call it 'tizzy'
[19:24:18] <cmn32480> crutchy can probably build that into Exec
[19:24:27] <cmn32480> he does everythgin else
[19:24:50] <Bytram> lol
[19:25:00] <janrinok> SRCD downloaded - but being summoned with calls of 'nursey' and much laughing
[19:25:01] <cmn32480> !list
[19:25:01] <Bender> available plugins: admin, cfg, chan, chatlog, core, fleet, grabquote, ignore, irc, karma, koffie, lod, markov, more, plug, relay, soylentrss, sylnt, todo, twitter, uidchecker, urlinfo, user
[19:25:09] <Bytram> LOL
[19:25:16] <cmn32480> ~list
[19:25:17] <exec> ~list ~list-auth ~lock ~unlock
[19:25:18] <exec> ~wiki ~google ~submit ~filter ~php ~first ~random ~count ~log ~feed-list ~ ~exec-add ~exec-del ~exec-save ~scramble ~welcome ~join ~relay ~location ~x ~bucket ~part ~translate ~translate-sl ~civ ~activity ~shorten ~vote ~quickpoll ~isup ~filth ~api ~up ~staff ~eds ~devs ~g'day ~gday ~g'night ~gnight systemctl ~soon ~aur ~verifier-nick ~funding ~queue ~uid ~sn-internal ~bitbucket-feed ~define ~define-add ~define-delete ~define-count ~define-source
[19:25:18] <exec> ~sed ~comments ~cat ~get ~set ~unset ~rd ~ls ~cd ~md ~mkdir ~rmdir ~execfs ~time ~time-add ~time-del ~github-list ~github-feed ~slashcode-issue ~slashcode-find ~rehash-issue ~exec-issue ~header ~header-login ~help ~confucius ~title ~sizeof ~rainbow ~suggest ~suggest-api ~suggest-exec ~suggest-rss ~weather ~weather-old ~weather-add ~weather-del ~weather-prefs ~link ~links ~! ~convert ~startup ~reader ~cowsay ~moo ~fortune ~openthepodbaydoors ~eval
[19:25:19] <exec> ~addr ~nyse ~last
[19:25:33] <cmn32480> JFC
[19:25:35] <janrinok> well, that cleared that up then!
[19:25:43] <cmn32480> ~moo
[19:25:44] <exec> (__)
[19:25:45] <exec> (oo)
[19:25:45] <exec> /------\/
[19:25:45] <exec> / | ||
[19:25:45] <exec> * /\---/\
[19:25:46] <exec> ~~ ~~
[19:25:47] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[19:25:48] * Bytram tries to picture janrinok in a nurse's outfit and then tries to banish the thought
[19:25:56] <cmn32480> eyebleach.com
[19:25:56] <Bytram> !nyse c
[19:25:59] <Bytram> ~nyse c
[19:26:04] <exec> cat: write error: Broken pipe
[19:26:05] <exec> 59.06
[19:26:06] <exec> http://www.google.com
[19:26:09] <cmn32480> www.eyebleach.com
[19:26:15] <Bytram> ~nyse m
[19:26:18] <janrinok> NOT a pretty sight - but be warned, if I have my rubber gloves on, no-one is really safe
[19:26:19] <cmn32480> http://eyebleach.com
[19:26:19] <exec> 71.60
[19:26:21] <exec> http://www.google.com
[19:26:24] <exec> └─ 13Eye Bleach
[19:26:36] <cmn32480> turn your head and cough!
[19:26:51] <Bytram> keep your hands away from me!
[19:27:02] <janrinok> Bytram: How about I appear on here tomorrow and give you a call?
[19:27:05] <Bytram> moo
[19:27:09] <cmn32480> them brits are kinky fellows...
[19:27:20] <Bytram> cmn32480: how would YOU know?
[19:27:24] <Bytram> janrinok: sounds like a plan
[19:27:31] <janrinok> don't ask - don't tell
[19:27:31] <cmn32480> I could tell you.. but I'd ahve to kill you
[19:27:54] <Bytram> janrinok: I'll still investigate, but I am not terribly optimistic
[19:28:12] <Bytram> really appreciate the help!
[19:28:17] <Bytram> janrinok++
[19:28:17] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 33
[19:28:59] <janrinok> http://unix.stackexchange.com
[19:29:01] <exec> └─ 13dd - Clone whole partition or hard drive to a sparse file - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange
[19:29:58] <janrinok> first answer, part way down the page shows the command you want
[19:30:43] <Bytram> I understand (I think) the syntax of the ddrescue command I want to issue, but I'm
[19:30:47] <janrinok> except you want the last part to be /dev/sdb1/mybackup.raw
[19:30:58] <Bytram> not seeing how they went from /dev/sd[a|b] to /mount/external/backup/sda1.raw
[19:31:22] <Bytram> IOW, how can I access files on /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1 ????
[19:31:37] <Bytram> s/access/create and-or access/
[19:31:42] <janrinok> they are using an externally mounted drive - yours has mounted as /dev/sdb1
[19:31:55] <Bytram> okay....
[19:32:07] <Bytram> but mine is an external drive, too?
[19:32:13] <janrinok> if you 'ls /dev/sdb1 -la', what do you see?
[19:32:21] <Bytram> IIRC, nothing
[19:32:43] <Bytram> ISTR an error message of some sort
[19:32:58] <Bytram> but at that point my brain was getting full trying to remember everything I'd seen so far
[19:33:01] <janrinok> well try 'touch /dev/sdb1/test.txt
[19:33:07] <Bytram> doh!
[19:33:26] <janrinok> that should create an empty file on /dev/sdb1/ called test.txt
[19:33:32] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:33:50] <janrinok> nah, bollocks
[19:33:53] <Bytram> echo foo.txt > /dev/sda1/foo.txt
[19:34:02] <Bytram> same, but creates a file with some contents
[19:34:12] <janrinok> you might have to create a mount point first
[19:34:14] <Bytram> IDK why I didn't think of trying THAT!
[19:34:18] <Bytram> DING!
[19:34:28] <janrinok> does it work?
[19:34:46] <Bytram> i dunno, but that's where my head is telling me the problem lies
[19:35:00] <Bytram> remember, I'm on windows atm
[19:35:14] <Bytram> man mount
[19:35:19] <Bytram> was not especially helpful
[19:35:19] <janrinok> it might not, but the solution is easy. BUT it will have to wait until tomorrow. Sorry Bytram - my nursing duties beckon
[19:35:24] <Bytram> really needs more examples
[19:35:35] <janrinok> OK, 2 minutes
[19:35:45] <Bytram> give S a hug and a kiss for me
[19:36:05] <Bytram> first things first, tend to your sweetie!
[19:36:21] <Bytram> I've waited thislong, another day won't hurt any
[19:36:22] <janrinok> create a mount point ie. just create a directory 'mkdir Mydrive'
[19:36:51] <Bytram> where shoud I be when I do that?
[19:36:55] <Bytram> pwd
[19:37:19] <janrinok> mount /dev/sdb1 Mydrive doesn't matter as it will only be a link to your 1TB drive
[19:37:31] <Bytram> AHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:37:42] <janrinok> so your can create it in your home directory
[19:37:54] <Bytram> and how would I access sometjng on 'Mydrive' ???
[19:38:05] <Bytram> $home/Mydrive ??
[19:38:14] <janrinok> yep
[19:38:24] * Bytram likes absolute paths when it comes to stuff like this....
[19:38:29] <Bytram> woo hoo!
[19:38:40] <Bytram> so I could also do:
[19:38:49] <Bytram> mount /dev/sdb1 $home/Mydrive
[19:39:08] <janrinok> only if Mydrive exists
[19:39:18] <janrinok> it will not create and mount in one command
[19:39:27] <Bytram> huh....
[19:39:28] <Bytram> oh.
[19:39:49] <janrinok> but once you have a 'Mydrive' what you said is correct
[19:40:00] <Bytram> cd $home; mkdir DestDrive; mount /dev/sdb1 $home/DestDrive
[19:40:39] <janrinok> yep. mount might insist on having a '-t' option specified, which is how you tell it the formatting of your external drive.
[19:41:02] <janrinok> but I'll have to look that one up and we can do it tomorrow. I have REALLY gtg
[19:41:08] <Bytram> I recall that opiton, it was looking for a 'type'
[19:41:11] <Bytram> ok...
[19:41:12] <Bytram> GO!
[19:41:15] <Bytram> thanks so MUCH!
[19:41:20] <Bytram> hmm
[19:41:22] <janrinok> bye guys, cu tomorrow
[19:41:25] <Bytram> tanks sew mulch!
[19:41:33] <janrinok> you're welcome Bytram
[19:41:54] <janrinok> owf veedersane
[19:42:01] <Bytram> break time; afk for a bit
[19:42:18] <cmn32480> night janrinok
[19:42:35] janrinok is now known as zz_janrinok
[20:19:32] <cmn32480> I am gonna give custoemr service a heart attack.
[20:19:41] <cmn32480> UPS end of Day was 309 pages.
[20:19:47] <cmn32480> 1230 shipments
[20:34:36] <Bytram> cmn32480: WOW!!!
[20:34:52] <Bytram> they'll need to send a fleet of trucks to get all those!
[20:34:58] <cmn32480> $15k
[20:35:25] <Bytram> for shipping costs?
[20:35:31] <cmn32480> yeah\
[20:35:45] <Bytram> just. plain. wow.
[20:36:20] <cmn32480> we sent 1223 of the labels to one of my vendors to ship a batch of product for us to individual sites.
[20:36:41] <cmn32480> but I've been getting calls from people who got the 309 page report freaking out.
[20:36:55] <cmn32480> It si really hilarious
[20:37:04] <Bytram> nod nod
[20:37:08] <cmn32480> biggest one day bill we have ever had
[20:37:13] <Bytram> you could cancel the orders and save some money!
[20:37:16] <Bytram> :P
[20:37:44] <cmn32480> hehe
[20:37:47] <Bytram> something tells me that shipping costs are built into their bills, too. right?
[20:37:47] <cmn32480> maybe
[20:37:53] <cmn32480> yes
[20:38:03] <cmn32480> we submit them to our customer and get reimbursed
[20:38:21] <Bytram> so, you've already got the customers paying for it; no profit lost on your end.
[20:38:40] <cmn32480> right
[20:39:11] <Bytram> if anyone complains, just ask 'em "Do you want to cancel the orders?" and then wait for reason to sink in.
[20:39:56] <Bytram> sometimes the nbest way to explain things to someone is to take it to the illogical extreme -- make things *blindingly* obvious, and then wait
[20:40:31] <Bytram> IOW, whack 'em with an exagerated clue-by-four
[20:41:00] <Bytram> humor goes a long way on that, btw.
[20:41:24] <cmn32480> I thought our billing guy was going to have a heart attack
[20:41:51] <cmn32480> he just started getting the end of day because of one particular project, and I told him it was like theis EVERY Day.
[20:42:06] <cmn32480> there were crickets for a moment or two
[20:42:19] <cmn32480> then he asked "EVERY DAY????!?!?!??!!"
[20:42:21] <Bytram> ouch.
[20:42:24] <Bytram> LOL
[20:42:28] <cmn32480> and I coudln't hold back the giggles
[20:42:45] <Bytram> oh, so this *was* unusual?
[20:44:44] <cmn32480> oh yes
[20:44:54] <cmn32480> biggest one EVER
[20:45:09] <Bytram> ahhh, now I get it!
[20:45:16] <Bytram> cmn32480++
[20:45:16] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 7
[20:46:03] <Bytram> man.... wish I could have seen the look on his face!
[20:47:09] <Bytram> any idea how long it takes to authenticate a copy of windows? should I allocate 10 minutes? an hour?
[20:57:28] <cmn32480> if it activates on line - about 30 seconds
[20:57:44] <Bytram> excellent! that's a relief
[20:57:45] <cmn32480> if you ahve to call... minimum time is about 7 minutes
[20:58:01] <Bytram> I realize that a patch tuesday has just passed, so I'll need to set aside time for that, too.
[20:58:17] <cmn32480> planning your library time?
[20:58:34] <Bytram> was the product code the one from under the battery compartment?
[20:58:47] <cmn32480> the white label is the one that I used
[20:58:56] <Bytram> k, nice to know! thanks!
[20:58:58] <cmn32480> the official one was a vista license
[20:59:21] <Bytram> oh, wait a sec. white label?
[20:59:32] <cmn32480> under the battery
[20:59:44] <cmn32480> .5x1.5in label
[20:59:53] <Bytram> oh, okay. whew!
[21:00:08] <cmn32480> says win7 pro and a 25 character key
[21:00:13] <cmn32480> find it?
[21:00:23] <Bytram> so, that is, indeed, unique to this machine.
[21:00:31] <cmn32480> more or less
[21:00:34] <Bytram> gotta make some space and upend it to see
[21:01:09] <Bytram> k
[21:01:24] <Bytram> I'm gonna take a pic of it for future reference, just in case
[21:01:27] <Bytram> =)
[21:01:31] <cmn32480> anaswer 1 if asked how many machines it is loaded on
[21:01:41] <cmn32480> that label is pretty durable
[21:02:18] <Bytram> yeah, I got that part. ***ONE*** machine!
[21:02:48] <cmn32480> chemically resistant, synthetic label w/ resin ribbon
[21:06:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:06:09] <Bytram> just an abundance of caution.
[21:07:42] <Bytram> btw, if ever there was something crying out for a voice interface, picture taking would be it. Orient the camera, get the focus right, and then just say 'click'!
[21:15:13] <Bytram> ok, time for me to go.
[21:15:47] <cmn32480> have a good night Bytram
[21:15:50] <cmn32480> see you later
[21:15:51] <Bytram> cmn32480: nice chatting with ya and congrats on the huge order! prolly won't be on-line 'til sometime tomorrow
[21:15:59] <cmn32480> okie
[21:16:02] <Bytram> and a good night to you, as well!
[21:16:09] <cmn32480> I'm on all day
[21:16:19] <cmn32480> as long as I am at work
[21:16:20] <Bytram> watchout for the 'knee hugs' when you get home! =)
[21:16:22] <cmn32480> :-)
[21:16:24] <cmn32480> have a good night
[21:16:29] <Bytram> ttfn
[21:31:00] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|afk
[21:39:41] <takyon> why's the cuba story in the hold, along with a subiculumhammer story