#editorial | Logs for 2015-07-13

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[04:06:10] <takyon> thanks
[04:06:18] <takyon> so the CEO of Nintendo of America has died
[04:07:08] <takyon> oh he was Nintendo also
[04:09:21] <takyon> running it as breaking in 6 minutes
[04:12:15] <juggs> Bile duct cancer apparently - who knew that was a thing... so many ways for our frail forms to go wrong :(
[04:21:33] <takyon> yup, wii sad now
[05:41:26] <takyon> zz_janrinok I think you might be using an old version of my script
[05:41:42] <takyon> I will take a look at it and fix some other bugs
[05:42:00] <takyon> also check out this story list editor notes mockup: http://puu.sh
[07:29:52] <nick> is way too early
[09:25:08] zz_janrinok is now known as janrinok
[09:39:49] <nick> how goes janrinok
[09:58:28] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
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[12:39:24] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[13:04:08] <janrinok> nick: you need just 9 more stories.... just 9!
[14:40:56] * nick yawn
[14:48:54] <takyon> <a href="//soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/07/12/2123258">Algorithm Translates 40 Years of UN Refugee Data to Music</a> <span title="THIS IS A NOTES PREVIEW">📎</span>
[14:49:06] <takyon> see above janrinok
[14:50:18] <takyon> oh ok
[15:09:56] <janrinok> hi takyon
[15:11:32] <nick> "David Cameron is prepared to look at making workers pay into flexible saving accounts to fund their own sick pay or unemployment benefits, Downing Street has confirmed. The idea was first floated by Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions secretary, who said he was “very keen” to have a debate about encouraging people to use personal accounts to save for unemployment or illness, even
[15:11:32] <nick> though it is not official government policy."
[15:12:07] <janrinok> well, that is one way of them saving money - make us pay for it again
[15:15:08] <nick> those US healthcare consultants have been busy it seems
[15:15:50] <janrinok> so the round up of today is, buy more drones, expand the special forces, make the workers pay for being ill
[15:18:21] <nick> and democracy has no business in interfering with international finance
[15:18:50] <janrinok> I don't seem to remember these being election promises - but perhaps that is just me becoming forgetful
[15:19:11] <nick> well, if it was part of the election promises, they wouldnt have got in
[15:19:18] <janrinok> you cynic!
[15:19:18] <nick> so they couldnt very well tell us what they were planning
[15:19:23] <nick> that wouldnt be fair on them
[15:19:44] <nick> Congressman Barney Frank obviously understands
[15:29:47] <janrinok> its paella time! gtg
[15:29:54] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[17:23:48] <paulej72> editors I have fixed up editors' notes between subs and stories. Please have a look at dev and see what you think of the new interfaces.
[17:30:31] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[17:30:34] <janrinok> thx paulej72
[17:32:42] <paulej72> the subs list has a button to show or hid the textarea to add and view notes. the text will also come up if you hover over the button.
[17:32:56] <janrinok> k looking now
[17:33:20] <paulej72> the stories list shows a paperclip beside the title if there is a note and will show it below if clicked, or when hovered over
[17:34:03] <janrinok> on my screen they a very very small icons
[17:34:37] <paulej72> it is unicode text not an icon on the stories list
[17:34:46] <janrinok> ah, k
[17:35:16] <paulej72> I can make it button if people wish
[17:36:30] <janrinok> I've just tried to edit a story to which I have added a note, and it just presents me with a submission preview and not the editor I would have expected
[17:38:04] <janrinok> and where should I be hovering my mouse to see the note?
[17:39:33] <janrinok> OK, something is borked. I cannot now get to the editor from the submissions list. If I try, it seems to display a page that is not in admin mode - so I just see a sub preview but no editor.
[17:39:58] <paulej72> sorry janrinok my stories list template did not make into the update. I am redploying now
[17:40:05] <janrinok> k lol
[17:44:52] <paulej72> deploying the upgrades now. sorry for the delay. I both missed a file and was running the wrong git command
[17:45:42] <janrinok> does it have to be a unicode char? All I get is the usual square box and hex code.
[17:46:01] <paulej72> no that is takyon suggested
[17:46:24] <janrinok> how about a normal asterisk? Is that easily doable?
[17:46:42] <paulej72> how about three ***
[17:46:56] <janrinok> well one would do, just somewhere to hover the mouse
[17:47:28] <janrinok> I'm not sure why we want the notes on the story page but that is a discussion for another time
[17:48:52] <paulej72> janrinok: i would think it would be for stories that we set for no display and we could not why without changing the title like we do now
[17:49:23] <paulej72> also any subs notes go forward so they may be useful to someone
[17:50:04] <paulej72> i updated the tepmate to add three *. it makes it a bigger target for the mouse.
[17:50:23] <janrinok> OK, no problems with the overall concept but I don't see it being used much. But I'd rather not have unicode or emojis - I intentionally avoid filling my system with random font crap
[17:50:47] <janrinok> Which unicode font is required?
[17:51:39] <janrinok> my submissions list is now in non-admin mode - although I'm OK on the story list and in the editor
[17:52:08] <janrinok> I think it keeps kicking me out again
[17:53:12] <paulej72> janrinok: it is working fine on my end, but I did restart the reshash to force the template change to set
[17:53:22] <janrinok> that'll be it then
[17:54:54] <janrinok> OK, it's working fine for me now. Which font is required. I can see the characters on the Russian Arrested in Guam story, and on the "post Password.pm fixing test"
[17:56:33] <paulej72> I am not sure
[17:57:39] <janrinok> I'm using standard FF on Ubuntu - I can't imagine which extra font I would need because I can see all the other UTF-8 that ever gets displayed
[17:59:50] <janrinok> It looks OK - although I'm not sure that 3 asterisks are necessary, but that is cosmetic. If we are trying to save space on the line then a single normal char would suffice.
[18:00:21] <janrinok> But it does the job and seems to be working. thx paulej72
[18:16:11] <janrinok> paulej72: one possible enhancement - currently the 'New Note' and 'View Note' buttons appear very similar. How easy would it be to either make the text bold on the View Note button, or perhaps give it a slightly different colour? Just to make it stand out a bit more clearly when notes are available.
[18:31:04] <paulej72> janrinok: updated
[18:31:11] <janrinok> thx
[18:31:19] <paulej72> bold and all caps
[18:31:49] <janrinok> well, it's certainly more obvious!
[18:33:20] <janrinok> I'll stop and let others put in their views too..!
[18:35:30] <nick> just having a look-see now
[18:35:33] <janrinok> paulej72: if you merge 2 stories with Notes attached, neither set of notes gets copied to the merge
[18:35:42] <nick> dev seems to hate me, but im finally logged in
[18:35:58] <janrinok> nick: it's been rebooted a couple of times
[18:36:44] <janrinok> paulej72: not sure whether that is intentional or a bug - No spec to compare it to hehehe
[18:37:45] <paulej72> janrinok: did not look at that case. I think we should let the notes drop on merges. you will still see the notes on the orginal subs
[18:38:14] <paulej72> I can make it happen but we are working with 1023 chars here.
[18:38:17] <nick> is stiil being rebooted?
[18:38:25] <nick> im getting signed out of dev every couple of page views
[18:38:33] <paulej72> yes I was updating a template fix
[18:38:50] <janrinok> Well if we have a story that has several notes, and then another on the same topic comes in, does the merge keep the one set of notes?
[18:39:23] <paulej72> as it does it now the merge will have no notes
[18:39:26] <janrinok> tbh - I don't recall ever having more than say 128 chars in a note before
[18:40:05] <janrinok> but perhaps mrcoolbp or takyon had a different use-case in mind
[18:40:09] <paulej72> the old system was 255 chars on subs,
[18:40:31] <paulej72> notes should not be NCommander novels
[18:40:40] <janrinok> agreed!
[18:41:22] <janrinok> copying them over to the editing page is good, but I don't see a need for a major opus being written in them
[18:41:50] <mrcoolbp> no but being able to view more then 10 chars at a time would be nice
[18:42:00] <janrinok> my feeling is that the notes should also be merged, but I would wait and get the views on others before doing any work on that
[18:42:23] <janrinok> views of others*
[18:42:26] <nick> it would be nice, but it's not that important to merge the notes
[18:42:42] <nick> since if you're merging then should have read the notes and summary, to action it then
[18:43:01] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: agreed, don't waste time on it if it's annoying, we rarely end up merging and need notes
[18:43:08] <nick> shouldn't be merging and then thinkin 'well whats all this about?'
[18:43:16] <janrinok> agreed, but I'm not quite sure why the new requirement has arisen. have you looked at the story page?
[18:43:30] <janrinok> hi mrcoolbp
[18:43:36] <mrcoolbp> hiya!
[18:43:41] <nick> what new requirement?
[18:43:45] <janrinok> did you see my reply?
[18:43:50] <mrcoolbp> yah
[18:44:34] <mrcoolbp> though this may not be useful on every story, I think it will become useful once it's a little more fleshed out
[18:44:34] <janrinok> nick, the size of the notes has now increased to 1023 chars, they now follow the story forever, and on the story page, if you see "***" and hover your mouse over it the notes show up again
[18:44:49] * mrcoolbp checks
[18:45:20] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: dev only for now
[18:45:25] <nick> yeah i did see that
[18:45:47] <nick> it's mostly useful for accepted submissions on hold
[18:45:57] <paulej72> you can click on the *** and it will pop up the text under it
[18:46:04] <nick> otherwise, meh, but i just dont like change :D
[18:46:16] <paulej72> if you have js enabled
[18:46:24] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: that's awesome! and they are already preserving from subs? You are the man!
[18:46:38] <janrinok> that'll be another problem then - JS is now essential for eds
[18:46:49] <mrcoolbp> nick: this is pretty un-intrusive if you don't want to use it
[18:46:57] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: notes from merged stories do not propigate.
[18:47:08] <mrcoolbp> yeah I saw that, that's fine though
[18:47:14] <nick> dont get me wrong, im not complaining about it, it's a useful feature which we have needed for a while
[18:47:19] <mrcoolbp> we rarely merge, and even more rarely would need the notes from both
[18:47:33] <nick> but it's something we need a couple times week or so
[18:47:42] <paulej72> I also deleted the old sub editor memory that did not work very well
[18:48:02] <mrcoolbp> dev keeps logging me out
[18:48:30] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: imagine that you have a story that has had several useful notes added to it, and along comes another sub on the same topic. If you now merge (which is what we would normally do) you lose all the notes
[18:49:03] <paulej72> no the notes would still be in the orginal subs which are linked from the merged story
[18:49:22] <paulej72> I can make it happen if we think it would be needed.
[18:49:35] <mrcoolbp> usually the notes on a sub like that would be simply "merge"
[18:49:45] <mrcoolbp> or "merge with X"
[18:50:27] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: nah that's fine for now, we'll play around with this, I think it will be helpful
[18:50:54] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: you can work on user-user/admin-user messaging now : P
[18:51:02] <paulej72> :P
[18:51:07] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: you might have had the first story for several hours, have researched several useful links etc. But the merge means that you can't easily get at them. paulej72 I know I can get to them but not easily
[18:51:43] <mrcoolbp> well he did say he could do it
[18:51:49] <janrinok> and I cannot get to the editor from the sub menu again paulej72
[18:52:03] <paulej72> janrinok: if you think it would be useful I can do it. It may truncate the notes if they are both close to full
[18:52:52] <janrinok> understood - at the present I cannot try alternatives because I cannot get to the editor menu from the sub page - similar problem to a while back
[18:54:46] <janrinok> paulej72: I am now back in and I cannot find a way to access the notes from stories that have been subsequently merged at all.
[18:54:57] <takyon> I just looked at it on dev and it looks good
[18:55:16] <janrinok> the original sub now points at the merge which has no notes in it
[18:56:26] <takyon> where is the merge notes test janrinok?
[18:56:56] <paulej72> janrinok: look at https://dev.soylentnews.org
[18:56:58] <janrinok> bottom of the sub page
[18:57:01] <exec> └─ 13Merge Story Test - Dev.SN
[18:58:11] <paulej72> when you click on the links for each of the org sub links you will see any notes in the edit preveiw page
[18:58:56] <janrinok> yes, but my merge didn't provide those links automatically - and the only 'original submission' that is available is the merge itself
[19:00:29] <janrinok> paulej72: where did you get those links from? and did you put them in the merge manually?
[19:01:02] <paulej72> no my system should be putting them in but I think NCommander's recent merge might have boken it
[19:01:11] <janrinok> ah, the NC curse
[19:02:30] <janrinok> still pretty impressive for one day's efforts though!
[19:04:10] <takyon> oh yeah that auto Original Submission code was working on dev right?
[19:04:47] <takyon> is "Arthur T Knackerbracket" your bot's name janrinok?
[19:04:53] <janrinok> yep
[19:05:12] <janrinok> if you open it, it becomes quite obvious
[19:05:26] <takyon> it caught me a bit by surprise, thought we had a new power submitter
[19:06:06] <janrinok> no, but I'm avoiding flooding the sub queue because 1. it will deter other submitters, and 2. they require more work than usual subs
[19:07:11] <janrinok> but if I submit them under my own username, then I can't release them
[19:07:41] <takyon> well you can
[19:07:52] <takyon> you just have to throw away all sense of journalistic integrity
[19:07:56] <janrinok> yeah, but you know what I mean :)
[19:08:35] <janrinok> as they are scrapes and not my material, we discussed it here and decided that was an acceptable solution
[19:08:57] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[19:09:03] <exec> └─ 13Error
[19:10:09] <janrinok> well you can, but you shouldn't ;)
[19:10:49] <takyon> just showing off what's there so far
[19:11:05] <janrinok> np - it's good to be ahead of the game
[19:11:42] <takyon> an early tuesday launch is probably good to get ahead of the NASA TV events I listed, although it looks like we won't get our pretty pictures before Wednesday
[19:12:21] <janrinok> can't be helped - you can run it anytime from now if you want to ensure that the maximum number of peeps see it
[19:12:59] <janrinok> early Tuesday where? Early Tuesday is less than 3 hours away here
[19:13:42] <janrinok> and crutchy and the other antipodeans are already into Tuesday
[19:17:11] <paulej72> well lit looks like code I thought I commited was on a differnt branch that was never commeted. I have it up on dev now
[19:17:45] <janrinok> is that the auto OrigSub code?
[19:19:12] <paulej72> yep. I thought it was already up on prod
[19:19:24] <janrinok> on prod or dev?
[19:20:20] <paulej72> i thought it was on both, but it never made it there. When I did some of the emergency xxs fixes I thought it was included in the first set, but I must have changed branches.
[19:20:28] <paulej72> it is now rnning on dev
[19:20:45] <janrinok> haven't got seen it work for me yet
[19:21:32] <paulej72> take a sub on dev and make it a story it shoudl auto make the link now.
[19:22:35] <janrinok> paulej72: very nice - I'll take 2 please
[19:22:57] <paulej72> i thought i had it on prod for a month now.
[19:23:28] <janrinok> nope - that is the first time I have seen it :)
[19:23:34] <NCommander> paulej72, what recent merge?!
[19:24:34] <paulej72> NCommander: was my fault, i thought something wen wrong when you merged you impoved installer sutff. but i never merged my code from my editor enhancements
[19:25:47] <NCommander> paulej72, it would be an impressive kaboom, considering the only thing I edited was the documentation, and new makefile targets :)
[19:26:28] <paulej72> yes i thought as well but git has fucked up some of our stuff in the past.
[19:27:15] <paulej72> but I tracked to down to my other branch when I could not find any of the commits I made for the changes in the master branch.
[19:27:32] <janrinok> gtg - thanks for your hard work paulej72
[19:27:40] <paulej72> np janrinok
[19:27:44] <paulej72> have a nice night
[19:27:53] <janrinok> off to be a nurse :)
[19:28:18] <nick> take care janrinok
[19:28:29] janrinok is now known as zz_janrinok
[19:30:48] <takyon> yeah I just spent the last 15 minutes killing a bee
[20:09:09] <paulej72> OK merging subs now merges editor notes as well.
[20:14:27] <takyon> prod or dev
[21:23:14] <paulej72> dev
[21:23:15] <paulej72> should go to prod soonish
[21:39:51] <nick> takyon, nice submission on the sandisk announcement
[22:29:51] <takyon> thanks nick
[22:30:29] <takyon> I thought we had a SoylentNews story on operating systems taking up too much smartphone storage, but all I could find was an Apple class action lawsuit blurb
[22:31:05] <nick> probably been a comment, at some point, but i dont recall an article, although my memory is not to be trusted
[22:32:40] <takyon> yeah maybe
[23:04:27] <cmn32480_travelin> holy back scroll batman
[23:04:43] <takyon> get wrecked
[23:05:19] <cmn32480_travelin> if I thought that was an option, and I would be able to be at the custoemr site tomorrow, I would do it.
[23:05:45] <cmn32480_travelin> nick: the balde runner story is a dupe
[23:05:58] <cmn32480_travelin> https://soylentnews.org
[23:06:05] <exec> └─ 13142 Photos of Miniatures from the Set of Classic Blade Runner Film - SoylentNews
[23:06:44] <nick> blah
[23:06:47] <nick> thanks for catching that
[23:07:25] <Bytram|afk> hello fellow SNeditors!
[23:07:33] Bytram|afk is now known as Bytram
[23:07:40] * nick does not thank the site for not showing anything useful in similar stories, or displaying any results for "blade runner" on the site search facility
[23:07:42] <Bytram> ahhh, that feels better! =)
[23:08:00] <takyon> sup bywham
[23:08:12] <cmn32480_travelin> you take a big ppo Bytram?
[23:08:30] <Bytram> lol
[23:08:45] <Bytram> given my speed right aboutnow, more like a big typoo
[23:08:46] <nick> blade runner story is gone
[23:09:02] * Bytram liked watching blade runner; good movie
[23:09:18] <Bytram> cmn32480_travelin: wehre you travelin?
[23:09:19] <cmn32480_travelin> agreed nick. I searched there first, but I knew I had seen it. had to do a site:soylentnews.org in google
[23:09:28] <cmn32480_travelin> Jacksonville, FL
[23:09:32] <cmn32480_travelin> then New Orleans
[23:09:36] <Bytram> nodnod
[23:09:38] <cmn32480_travelin> then home
[23:09:40] <takyon> I have a dedicated search box set up to do a google site search of soylentnews
[23:10:07] <cmn32480_travelin> intereesting idea
[23:10:12] * Bytram vistied Mayfair (?) Beach when I was in my early teens & we wheedled our folks to take us down to spend a week with our relatives there
[23:10:15] cmn32480_travelin is now known as cmn32480
[23:10:31] <Bytram> cmn32480: decided to settle down for a while, eh?
[23:10:51] <cmn32480> f**k... I wish!
[23:11:14] <Bytram> yah, I hear ya! Travelin's great for the first few months and then it starts to where on ya
[23:11:22] <cmn32480> bytram in his early teens meant bathing suits that covered neck to knees
[23:11:40] <cmn32480> had to be careful.. you might see some wrist!
[23:12:00] <Bytram> I was rather underweight -- that made it skinny dipping, right?
[23:12:23] <cmn32480> depends... does me being overweight make it fat dipping?
[23:12:37] <Bytram> more like a cannonball, run!
[23:12:44] <cmn32480> and remember... when I sweat in the real hot sun... lard comes out!
[23:12:57] * Bytram notes that was an incredibly obtuse movie reference
[23:13:07] <cmn32480> I got it... and giggled
[23:13:33] <Bytram> I don't know what's scarier, that I came up with it, or that you understood it!
[23:13:39] <cmn32480> yes
[23:13:53] <Bytram> :P
[23:13:59] <Bytram> =)
[23:14:15] <Bytram> laughter does a body good
[23:14:16] <cmn32480> and he called us all SNeditors
[23:14:19] <Bytram> brb, dishes
[23:14:30] <cmn32480> I suppose that is better than Ned Flanders
[23:14:36] <Bytram> well, there's redditors, why not call ourselves sneditors?
[23:14:46] <Bytram> there is that, 'tis true!
[23:14:56] <takyon> snidetors