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[13:12:45] <janrinok> cmn32480, !!
[13:12:53] <cmn32480> janrinok !!
[13:13:07] <janrinok> how's life with a family again?
[13:13:12] <cmn32480> how we doing this early afternoon, sir?
[13:13:31] <cmn32480> universe is mostly back in order
[13:13:51] <janrinok> good here - we've had a guest for the last 3 days so that has been a bit of an extra workload - but a welcome one. She left an hour or two ago,
[13:14:19] <cmn32480> pretty much had to be re-put away since I put everything in the wrong place while she was gone.
[13:14:45] <janrinok> standard man technique - that way you probably won't be asked to help again :)
[13:15:17] <cmn32480> i don't actually mind doing it. I jsut need a spreadsheet of items and locations
[13:15:30] <cmn32480> preferably with pictures
[13:15:50] <janrinok> make's you wonder how me managed before computers and spread sheets....
[13:16:00] <cmn32480> graph paper
[13:16:49] <cmn32480> it's like a manual spreadsheet
[13:17:04] <cmn32480> but you young whippersnappers wouldn't understand that
[13:17:08] <janrinok> but did you have one to tell you where to put thins away?
[13:17:24] <cmn32480> no... before computers I had Mom
[13:17:39] <janrinok> lol - I haven't been called a young whippersnapper by a young whippersnapper for quite some time
[13:18:27] <cmn32480> well... as long as you don't get ignorant with this young whippersnapper, I won't have to do it again!
[13:18:41] <janrinok> rofl
[13:19:13] <cmn32480> my Mom ruled her kitchen with an iron fist and an 18" wooden spoon to back it up
[13:19:37] <cmn32480> she broke more than one of those across by butt
[13:20:29] <cmn32480> last time she tried it I was in 10th(?) grade. she swung it at me, I grabbed it snapped it, and handed it back
[13:20:36] <janrinok> can't be easy breaking an iron fist
[13:20:58] <cmn32480> the spoons... I think the iron fist was figurative... I never actually saw one.
[13:21:25] <janrinok> I was beginning to think you were something like Captain America....
[13:21:38] <cmn32480> just without the cool tights
[13:22:38] <janrinok> a vision that I would rather not imagine, thank you
[13:22:51] <cmn32480> fat bald guy in tights?
[13:23:03] <cmn32480> think "Speedo"
[13:23:11] <cmn32480> banana hammock
[13:23:25] <janrinok> which bit of 'not imagine' did you have a problem with ;)
[13:24:21] <cmn32480> the fact that you didn't imagine it
[13:24:26] <cmn32480> you are wllcome
[13:24:38] <cmn32480> just trying to help a buddy out
[13:25:01] <janrinok> I'll bear that in mind - I must remember to help you out in turn, sometime
[13:25:28] <cmn32480> pleae do
[13:25:35] <cmn32480> I believ ethat is what friends are for
[13:25:52] <janrinok> how are the kids? Glad to be home?
[13:26:13] <cmn32480> yes. on all side
[13:26:37] <cmn32480> a little sunburn and some mosquito bites, but no worse for wear
[13:26:48] <janrinok> all part of the growing experience
[13:27:50] <cmn32480> yeah... but they had a really good time
[13:28:09] <janrinok> have they been telling you their exciting stories?
[13:28:26] <cmn32480> some... I got a lot fo it from the wife
[13:28:51] <cmn32480> the kids sense of linear time isn't so good, so I get parts of stories mixed together
[13:29:22] <janrinok> that is part of the fun of being a Dad - trying to work out what really happened...
[13:29:52] <cmn32480> simple answer... ask the wife
[13:30:03] <cmn32480> ooo coffee beeped... back in a sec
[13:31:20] <cmn32480> mmmmm coffee++
[13:31:26] <cmn32480> coffee++
[13:31:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 13
[13:34:45] <cmn32480> how is S healing up?
[13:38:36] <janrinok> not too bad - the surgery is looking quite healthy, and she has a check by the surgeon on Monday to confirm that everything is going to plan.
[13:41:08] <cmn32480> good
[13:41:23] <cmn32480> I'm glad to hear things are progressing in the right direction
[13:42:11] <janrinok> she has other appts - which might each result in surgery - over the coming months but we approach them one at a time.
[13:42:35] <cmn32480> oh dear
[13:43:03] <janrinok> nothing unexpected - it is just the natural progression of MS.
[13:43:46] <cmn32480> Understood, but it still makes me sad
[13:44:04] <janrinok> me too - but I try to stay cheerful for S's sake
[13:44:16] <cmn32480> you're a good man Charlie Brown
[13:44:31] <cmn32480> for a whippersnapper, I mean
[13:44:42] <janrinok> I'm sure that anyone in a similar position would do the same
[13:44:52] <janrinok> for a whippersnapper...
[13:45:23] <cmn32480> so on to happier things
[13:45:33] <cmn32480> looking forward to your daughter's wedding?
[13:46:07] * cmn32480 prepares the ketchup for his foot
[13:46:31] <janrinok> of course, and a chance to see other members of my family. But it will also include a bit of a break for me so it will be doubly welcome
[13:46:53] <cmn32480> a break????
[13:46:56] <cmn32480> we can't have that
[13:47:00] <cmn32480> call off the weeding!
[13:47:15] <cmn32480> and the wedding too!
[13:47:19] <janrinok> I have cancelled all weeding, and cutting the grass too
[13:47:39] <cmn32480> excellent... does that include the grass here as well? or am I still stuck with it?
[13:48:13] <janrinok> so, from cutting my pay less than 48 hours ago, you want my help in avoiding your chores?
[13:49:13] <cmn32480> didn't I give all that pay back, with interest?
[13:49:24] * cmn32480 shuffles the paperwork
[13:49:24] <janrinok> not that I notice in the logs....
[13:49:34] <cmn32480> ah yes... here it is
[13:49:42] <cmn32480> missing a signature
[13:50:02] * cmn32480 forges mrcools .sig
[13:50:07] <janrinok> you've been in the game too long!
[13:50:26] <cmn32480> done. pay restored... with interest... and a small raise to make up for the inconvenience
[13:50:37] <janrinok> muchos gracias
[13:51:09] <cmn32480> for all you do... risking jail for forgery is the least I can do
[13:52:37] <cmn32480> so I decided that it is time to change jobs
[13:52:47] <janrinok> I've just added a few storybot-scraped stories into the sub queue - using Arthur T Knackerbracket ID.
[13:53:09] <janrinok> Yes, I noticed that conversation a day or two back. Hope it goes well for you.
[13:53:12] <cmn32480> how does he have a karma of 50?
[13:53:18] <janrinok> luck I guess?
[13:53:29] <cmn32480> I know what it is
[13:53:37] <cmn32480> each sub gets you a few karma points.
[13:54:00] <cmn32480> and since he doens't comment (dirty rat bastard that he is).... nobody gets to knock it down
[13:54:07] <janrinok> I'm not quite sure how 3 subs gets a karma of 50 - there is no real id in the db
[13:54:29] <cmn32480> really?
[13:54:31] <cmn32480> hmmmmm
[13:54:55] <cmn32480> you are getting the credit for the subs
[13:55:12] <janrinok> must be IP tracking then
[13:55:20] <cmn32480> email address
[13:55:38] <cmn32480> open one of his subs ( I used the 3rd one)
[13:55:54] <janrinok> no email address entered at this end
[13:55:57] <cmn32480> scroll to the bottom of the article. and it shows that it came from you
[13:56:13] <cmn32480> In the last 60 days, there have been 26 submissions from janrinok <jan.rinok@rambler.ru> (22 accepted) .
[13:56:30] <cmn32480> ach
[13:56:31] <cmn32480> sorry
[13:56:37] <janrinok> ah, must have used the wrong browser. I used a different browser for the first 2 which is why they aren't tracked
[13:56:45] <cmn32480> should not have posted that line
[13:56:59] <janrinok> well, too late now :)
[13:57:46] * cmn32480 hangs head in nerd shame
[13:58:35] <janrinok> don't sweat it. It goes through several cut-outs to get to me. You will note that that email is in Russia - but I'm not.
[13:59:09] <cmn32480> yes I had noticed that
[13:59:28] <cmn32480> you are in <insert country here> last I checked?
[14:00:05] <janrinok> and jan rinok is the equivalent of Joe Sixpack or Joe Soap
[14:00:49] <cmn32480> mmmm sixpack
[14:01:12] <janrinok> stick to your coffee - I'm having the beer
[14:01:25] <cmn32480> it IS afternoon there
[14:02:07] <janrinok> just gone 16:00 and plenty late enough for a beer
[14:02:37] <cmn32480> 1600? your DST changed?
[14:02:52] <cmn32480> I thoguht you were UTC+1
[14:02:55] <janrinok> yes - DST until October?
[14:03:26] <janrinok> France is nominally UTC+1, but I don't bother changing it every 6 months just for DST
[14:03:42] <cmn32480> so you are UTC+2
[14:03:49] <janrinok> this month, yes
[14:03:50] <cmn32480> currently
[14:04:04] <cmn32480> that explains it then.. doesn't it
[14:04:12] <janrinok> then in Oct we slip back to UTC+1
[14:04:34] <cmn32480> (&*%^&*)_ing daylight savings
[14:04:41] <janrinok> the UK changes between UTC and UTC+1
[14:04:59] <cmn32480> back in a moment... gotta get breakfast for the oldest
[14:05:01] <janrinok> I'm not sure who it is supposed to be making it easier for
[14:08:54] <cmn32480> I don't think DST helps anymore
[14:09:02] <cmn32480> more of a gigantic pain in the ass
[14:17:38] <janrinok> I resubmitted that last story to remove the links to myself
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[16:02:09] <cmn32480> nick !!
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[16:02:27] <nick> cmn32480 !!
[16:02:51] <cmn32480> how we doing sir?
[16:03:37] <nick> we are doing, been a strange week but developments have been generally positive
[16:03:39] <nick> how about yourself?
[16:03:45] <cmn32480> that's good
[16:03:50] <cmn32480> holding on w/ both hands
[16:04:01] <cmn32480> having the internal struggle about changing jobs
[16:04:16] <nick> oh?
[16:04:22] <nick> had an offer or?
[16:04:29] <cmn32480> no offer yet
[16:05:29] <cmn32480> but one of our manufacturers has a posting for a job that I already do, and I have an inside track with the guy who is actually doing the hiring
[16:05:41] <cmn32480> all I need to do is submit the resume....
[16:05:56] <cmn32480> but I better $$ better benefits, better 401k
[16:06:01] <cmn32480> less travel...
[16:06:11] <cmn32480> greener grass, etc
[16:06:29] <cmn32480> but I have been wher I am for 6 years.
[16:06:41] <cmn32480> I like what I do, I like the company, and the people I work with
[16:06:53] <cmn32480> but I am severely underpaid
[16:07:00] <cmn32480> and the health coverage is shit
[16:07:37] <cmn32480> I suppose I am at the point of the internal mind fucking of the whole situation as to what I want to do
[16:07:42] <nick> it might be time for the change
[16:08:04] <nick> if the new employer as a decent reputation, and an inside track is always helpful
[16:08:13] <cmn32480> they are a pretty large company
[16:08:29] <cmn32480> good reputation
[16:09:17] <nick> company you're with now smaller?
[16:09:17] <cmn32480> jsut hate thinking about leaving the people in the dept tha I have built in the lurch
[16:09:21] <cmn32480> much
[16:09:26] <cmn32480> on;y about 40 ppl
[16:10:02] <cmn32480> the manufacturer is about 10,000
[16:10:05] <nick> well the social/work dynamics will be much different in the larger company
[16:10:08] <cmn32480> orders of magnitude
[16:10:25] <cmn32480> I've worked in the big corporate before
[16:10:35] <nick> it's a difficult situation, but as you alluded to, grass is always greener
[16:10:48] <nick> cmn32480, and did you leave the big corporate intentionally?
[16:11:36] <cmn32480> I did. It was the commute and the non-move of the corporate HQ that caused me to leave
[16:12:06] <cmn32480> the 150 mile round trip that took 3-4 hours each day was a problem
[16:12:28] <cmn32480> 241km round trip
[16:12:29] <nick> but it wasnt because of the corporate ethos?
[16:12:38] <cmn32480> no. that wasn't the issue
[16:14:12] <cmn32480> it was a case (mostly) of them telling me that the corporate HQ was going to move, so I bought a house closer to the new site, and then the decisions was made (after a change in the regional leadership) to not move, so I was screwed
[16:15:00] <cmn32480> changed jobs to avoid falling asleep on the road on the way home
[16:15:29] <nick> 150 miles a day is no fun as a commute
[16:15:40] <cmn32480> no. It sucked
[16:15:48] <cmn32480> minimum 3 hours
[16:16:05] <cmn32480> worst day it was 4 hours 1 way
[16:16:57] <cmn32480> so enough about me
[16:17:05] <nick> when i worked for a corporate, i lived less than 10 miles from the office, but the difference in leaving the house 10 minutes later than planned would mean the 10 miles took an hour or so.
[16:17:23] <nick> leaving at 7:45 = early for work, leaving at 7:55 - half hour late
[16:17:29] <cmn32480> yup
[16:17:39] <cmn32480> for the new job I'd be commuting to a home office
[16:17:49] <cmn32480> only traffic woudl be at the coffee pot
[16:17:56] <cmn32480> :-)
[16:17:56] <nick> mostly working from home?
[16:18:06] <cmn32480> with day trips for sales calls
[16:18:30] <nick> well from what youve said, sounds like theres a lot more positives and nothing to lose by putting yourself forward for the new job
[16:18:49] <cmn32480> that is the conclusion that I am very quickly coming to
[16:19:05] <cmn32480> only problem is the leaving of the current job
[16:19:19] <nick> if you've been there for 6 years and your prospects are not improving
[16:19:28] <nick> you have to leave the emotional element behind to an extent
[16:19:31] <cmn32480> I know I am gonna feel like I am screwing my people over
[16:19:39] <cmn32480> i know
[16:19:45] <cmn32480> has to be a cold hearted business decision
[16:20:07] <cmn32480> what is best for me and my wife/kids
[16:20:12] <nick> but the company you work for now is a cold hearted business more than it is a collection of people
[16:20:44] <nick> if they're not providing you with adequate security and a reasonable home life, they are the ones screwing people over
[16:21:06] <cmn32480> interesting way to look at things
[16:21:17] <cmn32480> one I had not considered
[16:21:25] <nick> i think we talked about it briefly before, it's my perspective as an occasional employer
[16:21:28] <cmn32480> at least consciously
[16:21:58] <nick> treat others as you'd like to be treated, if you want good people, you have to give them reasons to stay
[16:22:04] <nick> rather than just avoid giving them reasons to leave
[16:22:50] <cmn32480> agreed
[16:23:08] <cmn32480> on the whole, as employers go, they treat us pretty well
[16:23:35] <nick> on a wider perspective, after 6 years, it can be seen as the time to move on anyway
[16:23:50] <nick> much longer and you risk being 'institutionalized' from a HR perspective
[16:23:56] <cmn32480> but the calls of "hey, we need another person" have been getting a resounding round of crickets for months
[16:24:11] <nick> well you picked up the slack when the last guy left right?
[16:24:16] <cmn32480> right
[16:24:23] <cmn32480> and we hired a guy to replace him
[16:24:37] <cmn32480> I've been asking for another person since late last year
[16:25:17] <cmn32480> adn picking up the slack has lead to where I am now
[16:25:23] <nick> employers dont want to hire people, as you picked up the slack, there's no 'reason' from the management perspective to hire another person
[16:25:36] <nick> when what they have done is 'improve efficiency' with the current workforce
[16:25:48] <nick> even if that is at personal cost to you, and the other employees
[16:25:50] <cmn32480> peering over the precipice of burnout, and swimming hard against the current to hold it off
[16:26:37] <nick> i understand, this is happening a lot, more frequently now in my opinion
[16:26:51] <nick> people being pushed to burnout because of the current economic environment
[16:26:54] <cmn32480> yup... and I hate the lack of motivation
[16:27:01] <nick> and we've been encouraged to do it many ways, by the social environment
[16:27:27] <nick> of 'working hard' 'proving yourself' 'dedication' and various other well intentioned attitudes we apply to work
[16:27:37] <cmn32480> you are quite correct
[16:27:46] <nick> but that has extended to 6-7 days a week working 12-?? hrs a day, forever
[16:28:14] <cmn32480> catching up no longer exists.
[16:28:24] <cmn32480> it is staving off the wolves for one more day
[16:28:47] <nick> pretty much, and if the wolves one day do get you?
[16:28:51] <nick> it's because you didn't work hard enough.
[16:29:26] <nick> death through stress and exhaustion is to be commended apparently.
[16:29:43] <cmn32480> and that is exactly what I'd liek to avoid
[16:30:04] <nick> from what youve told me, it sounds like the pressure is unlikely to let up at your current employer
[16:30:10] <cmn32480> yeah
[16:30:20] <nick> im assuming you dont know the details of the companies financial situation?
[16:30:20] <cmn32480> I think, in my heart, I've already made the decision
[16:30:39] <cmn32480> they have 0 debt, and are proftiable
[16:31:27] <cmn32480> it's time to move on. now I gotta get my head to go along
[16:31:34] <cmn32480> oh dear... the wife is calling
[16:31:37] <nick> change can be scary
[16:31:39] <cmn32480> somethign about washing windows
[16:31:42] <cmn32480> yes it is
[16:32:04] <cmn32480> thanks Nick
[16:32:13] <cmn32480> I appreciate the sounding board
[16:32:19] <nick> but if it's more time with the family, that must be worth doing
[16:32:25] <cmn32480> yeah
[16:32:29] <cmn32480> I'm thinking so as well
[16:32:36] <nick> no problem, i try to be a constructive cynic sometimes ;)
[16:32:47] <cmn32480> heheh
[16:32:51] <cmn32480> I gotta run
[16:32:58] <nick> laters
[16:32:59] <cmn32480> I'll talk with you soon.
[16:33:05] * nick hat tip
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[16:55:03] <takyon> two stories within 3m of each other
[16:55:42] <nick> change it?
[16:56:16] <takyon> i'll push the seabird one up
[16:57:09] <takyon> omg lol
[16:58:14] <takyon> didn't think that through
[16:58:45] <takyon> sometimes when one story is running the next UTC day I just won't notice it
[16:59:08] <takyon> going to push out some extension fixes later
[16:59:59] <takyon> the plan is title case improvements, another nexus in the URL name fix, "adaptive spacing", and warning for setting a story to display in the past
[17:02:04] <takyon> adaptive spacing... for when you double click on a word and make a hyperlink. moves out any trailing space to outside the anchor tag
[17:34:32] <janrinok> hi guys - anyone able to 2nd my stories pse?
[17:35:49] <takyon> ok
[17:36:00] <janrinok> hi takyon - thx, having a good w/e?
[17:38:21] <takyon> don't know what to do this weekend
[17:38:34] <takyon> except flame in the brainet article at this moment
[17:38:39] <janrinok> just chill then, put something into the body bank
[17:39:36] <takyon> I like this parting shot on the cali article
[17:40:29] <janrinok> yep - but I can take no credit. P666 supplied it
[17:44:17] <nick> the question is whats best for business? the parting shot on the summary indicates (to me) that the last thing we need, economically, in any resource is abudance of supply, especially if that supply is accessable by the majority of the civilian population.
[17:44:27] <nick> because then, who makes the money?
[17:45:22] <janrinok> hi nick - I'm only putting them up for reading today - we've had a busy week and I'm not getting involved in the discussions
[17:46:30] <nick> no worries, just made me think is all, part of a general trend ive been noticing in the 'progress' of renewable/sustainable energy and recycling.
[17:47:09] <nick> i hope you have some time to enjoy the rest of your weekend
[17:47:44] <janrinok> we had a guest leave this morning - we will be chillin' and sleepin' to catch up!
[17:48:33] <takyon> price pressure: great for conservation
[17:49:10] <nick> having a guest over, good times?
[17:50:33] <janrinok> yes, but too many late nights, early starts and too much for S to keep up with.
[17:56:59] <nick> well hopefully time to relax and recover now
[17:57:10] <janrinok> that's the plan for the w/e
[18:24:35] <janrinok> gtg - cu guys tomorrow
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[22:42:53] <nick> anyone have thoughts/opinions on the latest hugh pickens sub?
[22:45:27] <nick> takyon, taking a look at your 'sacred cows' story - anything new to add on that before i get started?
[23:01:40] <nick> is an extremely interesting story
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