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[12:50:34] * CoolHand is *in da HOUSE* !!!!
[12:50:36] <CoolHand> :)
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[13:01:20] <CoolHand> janrinok !!
[13:03:00] <janrinok> CoolHand: !!
[13:04:10] <cmn32480> Coolhand !!
[13:04:19] <CoolHand> how's it going? I was away for the w/e.. I saw your bot was working though :)
[13:05:17] <janrinok> well, it's not working the way it should - I'm still transfering the stories by hand. But that will have to wait until we have our own hidden sub queue.
[13:05:34] <CoolHand> hey, that story you just posted is a dupe of one I submitted last week (although probably has more/better info)
[13:06:12] <CoolHand> https://soylentnews.org
[13:09:11] <janrinok> so I have just been informed on another channel!
[13:09:34] <CoolHand> haha, ok..
[13:09:48] <janrinok> hi Bytram|afk
[13:09:53] <janrinok> bye Bytram|afk
[13:10:23] <cmn32480> so how are we all this fine morning/afternoon?
[13:10:34] <CoolHand> cmn32480 !!
[13:10:50] <cmn32480> coolhand !! (again)
[13:10:52] * CoolHand is fine.. just catching up @ work after long holiday w/e..
[13:11:11] <cmn32480> glad to hear all is well coolhand
[13:11:22] <CoolHand> cmn32480: crap.. I didn't notice u earlier.. thought htat was janrinok saying it a 2nd time (colored same in my irssi for some reason)
[13:11:22] <cmn32480> I'm still a bachelor for another few days
[13:11:42] <CoolHand> cmn32480: are you having fun, or missing the fam?
[13:12:09] <cmn32480> little from column A little from Column B
[13:12:21] <CoolHand> hear ya
[13:12:34] <cmn32480> but I got a lot done yesterday. powerwashing, did the dishes, watched what I wanted to on tv
[13:12:59] <janrinok> I read that as pronwatching - but I was speed reading!
[13:13:33] <CoolHand> lol
[13:13:43] <CoolHand> probly more accurate!
[13:14:25] <janrinok> I would not cast such aspertions about my erstwhile colleague cmn32480 !
[13:14:47] * janrinok confess that it might still have been a more accurate statement!
[13:14:57] <cmn32480> little from column A little from Column B
[13:15:28] <janrinok> lol
[13:16:05] <janrinok> cmn32480: have you used ZNC yet - what does it do that an email wouldn't have given me?
[13:16:50] <janrinok> I can backread the logs now - they are all archived away. Perhaps I am becoming a luddite....
[13:17:54] <cmn32480> I'm on ZNC now, yes
[13:18:24] <cmn32480> juggs was kind enough to get the instructions completed and set me up with a shiny new login
[13:18:38] <cmn32480> you can now back scroll without having to go digging into the logs
[13:19:55] <janrinok> I hope we don't rely on that the same way as voice mail on telephones. Having said it on IRC does not mean that everyone has received the message.
[13:20:56] <janrinok> we used to promulagate decisions and changes to the way we operate by email - indeed, I still receive several staff emails every day
[13:22:08] <cmn32480> really? I must not be on that mailing list
[13:22:29] <cmn32480> I get 1 email every couple months in my SN account
[13:22:39] <janrinok> well, that would explain it, but I can't see why you wouldn't be.
[13:22:58] <janrinok> yes, but do you check the email that you used to register with?
[13:23:12] <cmn32480> every day
[13:23:16] <janrinok> strange
[13:23:32] <cmn32480> I'm but a lowly editor....
[13:23:42] <janrinok> do you get your story summaries and headlines?
[13:23:58] <janrinok> all staff should get the emails
[13:24:21] <cmn32480> they go to my personal email address.
[13:24:23] * CoolHand doesn't get any stinkin emails..
[13:24:29] <cmn32480> the staff emails I never see anywhere
[13:24:43] <cmn32480> that's what we get for being FNG Coolhand
[13:25:13] <CoolHand> cmn32480: yeppers
[13:25:43] <janrinok> just checked, my last staff emails (from mrcoolbp) were 7 days ago
[13:26:24] <CoolHand> I don't have a SN email account (of which I'm aware), and the one I registered with doesn't get any..
[13:26:26] <janrinok> until then there were several - sometimes too many - emails every day. Seems to have gone a bit quieter since my last reboot - I'd better check the config
[13:26:52] <cmn32480> my last email in that box was on 6/21... from janrinok with story bot examples
[13:27:07] <janrinok> you need to poke juggs for an SN email account - although you may find it already exists but hasn't been activated.
[13:28:01] <cmn32480> last time I checked for mail was 7 minutes ago
[13:28:01] <janrinok> the advantage is that it is easy for everyone to remember, and your true ID is hidden. The downside is that when the system is down, so is the email!
[13:29:06] <janrinok> lots of things are changing though - we used to have regular IRC meetings but I haven't heard of one for over 6 months
[13:30:12] <janrinok> brb - tea!
[13:31:26] <cmn32480> there was a staff mtg a month or two ago janrinok
[13:31:41] <CoolHand> indeed, even I attended.. :)
[13:31:44] <cmn32480> it happened while you were cutting wood
[13:33:37] <nick> afternoon everyone
[13:34:31] <cmn32480> morning nick !!
[13:37:09] <CoolHand> nick!!
[13:38:43] <nick> !! !!
[13:38:48] <CoolHand> hehe
[13:38:53] <cmn32480> oh dear
[13:39:07] <cmn32480> I seem to have oepend several copies of hexchat
[13:39:20] <cmn32480> this is a little weird
[13:39:24] <nick> very social of you
[13:39:24] <janrinok> nick: good afternoon - ignore the rebels, they have had a good weekend!
[13:39:39] <nick> hey there janrinok :)
[13:40:02] <janrinok> we got cut short yesterday - my nursing duties called!
[13:40:13] <nick> who had a good weekend?! that must be stopped...
[13:40:22] <cmn32480> speaking of your nursing duties, how si S doing?
[13:40:28] <nick> no problems, i was only vaguely here yesterday
[13:41:01] <janrinok> she's fine thx - has to have a h u g e dressing on her face but in good spirits
[13:41:35] * CoolHand apologizes profusely for his good extended holiday weekend..
[13:42:00] <cmn32480> quite the rebel you are coolhand... apologizing to our former masters adn overlords
[13:42:14] <nick> truly in the spirit of independence
[13:43:03] * CoolHand is a hippy-dippy freak, so just wants to give peace a chance
[13:43:35] <janrinok> ... and all that 'free love' doesn't come into it, right?
[13:44:13] <CoolHand> well, yeah, it's mostly about the rock-n-roll, but the sex and drugs don't hurt... (spinal tap)
[13:45:02] <janrinok> are you feeling a little better today, nick?
[13:45:43] <nick> CoolHand, thats why in the well known saying "rock-n-roll" is the first topic mentioned...
[13:46:20] * janrinok notes that nick is back on form
[13:48:07] <nick> janrinok, not really but no time to dwell on that. nothing to really complain about in the bigger picture. feeling very appreciative of the business partner right now, keeping things on track and dealing with things i wont.
[13:48:50] <cmn32480> searching 8000 page PDF's sucks
[13:49:03] <janrinok> searching PDFs sucks
[13:49:28] <nick> 8000 pages is brutal, a few hundred pages is bad enough
[13:49:54] <cmn32480> and I have about 115 of them just waiting to be printed!
[13:50:16] <janrinok> ? are you searching the printed versions?
[13:50:32] <janrinok> or sifting through them to decide which should be printed?
[13:50:40] <cmn32480> they all need to be printed
[13:50:56] <janrinok> some days, I'm happy with my lot
[13:51:15] <cmn32480> I have 1 set of tags out of the 117,000 sets that we received, that are NOT to be printed
[13:51:29] <nick> janrinok, it's not a bad time to be retired, in my humble opinion.
[13:51:53] <janrinok> there is never a bad time, based on my empirical examination of one such event
[13:52:03] <cmn32480> grep the text files to see what set he is in, then search the PDF to find his tags.
[13:52:29] <janrinok> that is a job that should be crowd-sourced!
[13:53:05] <cmn32480> it jsut take a long time to search (even via the built in esearch functions in acrobat) an 8000 page PDF
[13:53:08] <janrinok> er, I'm sure that you've thought of this, can't you automate it with a script?
[13:53:41] <cmn32480> oh dear god, I'm not searching by eye... that'd cause me to nose dive off the roof
[13:54:06] <janrinok> well, set the script running and come back when it has queued those that need printing?
[13:54:09] <cmn32480> into a pile of big fluffy pillows... and greet the men with the "I Love Me" jacket
[13:54:24] <cmn32480> I wish it was that easy.
[13:54:39] <janrinok> so you have thought about it, and it isn't
[13:55:11] <cmn32480> the tags (all 117k sets) have to get printed and mailed to their respective owners
[13:55:30] <janrinok> I'm glad that computers took away all the routine and boring tasks from our humdrum existence...
[13:55:46] <cmn32480> but in true needle in a haystack fashion, I have 1 set out of the 117k that needs to be held
[13:56:33] <janrinok> and how long will this task take you, do you estimate?
[13:56:39] <cmn32480> 3 weeks
[13:56:44] <cmn32480> with 4 printers running
[13:56:53] <cmn32480> approximately 10 hours per day
[13:57:34] <janrinok> so 210 hours x your hourly rate can't buy a better solution? This is a job for Script-Man!
[13:58:06] <cmn32480> soon as you can find a script that will change the rolls of labels on the printer...
[13:58:33] <janrinok> ah, but you don't need your qualifications to replace empty rolls of labels.
[13:58:55] <cmn32480> agreed. but we do need my skills as the project manager
[13:59:22] <cmn32480> I can train a monkey to change the rolls, but I don't wanna shre my office. and shoudl the pritner break, I know how to fix them.'
[13:59:36] <janrinok> I'm not doubting that
[13:59:59] <cmn32480> besides, each roll runs for abotu 30 min, so I do things other than stare at the output during that time
[14:00:21] <janrinok> well, as long as you don't mind doing it...
[14:01:24] <cmn32480> it really sin't too bad.... jsut a lot of work.
[14:04:17] <janrinok> my source of witty and pithy dept comments has dried up - about 6 months ago by my reckoning
[14:05:39] <janrinok> er, what you do guys think about me editing stories generated by my storybot program - is that bending the rules too far or does it seem a reasonable thing to do?
[14:05:39] * nick wonders when his ssl cert will appear
[14:06:02] <nick> janrinok, i have not seen your storybot in action yet but i have heard about it!
[14:06:16] <janrinok> look in the subs queue for some early examples
[14:06:43] <cmn32480> certainly reasonable janrinok
[14:07:00] <nick> whats the process for the storybot to make submissions?
[14:08:01] <janrinok> well I can't automate it today, because it can generate over 500 stories in a day from rss-bot or the logs. paulej72 mentioned perhaps giving us a hidden nexus so that it doesn't flood the sub queue and deter others from submitting
[14:08:23] <janrinok> so I run it everyday, and then pick stories if we need them and submit them manually
[14:08:46] <nick> so it's scraping all stories from rss-bot and you're picking the good ones manually at the moment?
[14:08:50] <cmn32480> is there an option for it to grab the last 10 stories in the RSS feed?
[14:08:52] <nick> sorry i'm not all that up on this
[14:09:09] <cmn32480> or the last X stories rather
[14:09:13] <janrinok> nick: yep, I'm working on the bit to try to pick good from bad but it is not easy
[14:10:04] <nick> i'd suggest that might be an impossible task to automate
[14:10:08] <janrinok> cmn32480: I do it by day when scouring yesterdays logs, or in real time from rss-bot. But there is no guarantee that the best stories have just been released
[14:10:46] <cmn32480> janrinok - best is often not necessary. solid is good enough IMHO
[14:11:15] <janrinok> agreed, but even identifying 'good enough' stories is not easy.
[14:11:44] <cmn32480> agreed
[14:12:13] <cmn32480> and that si why you are doing it and not me. I'm just asking can it do this? how about that? why not? gimme gimme gimme
[14:12:44] <cmn32480> as for your time crystal dept line - is it made of kyber
[14:12:51] <janrinok> well, I want it to be automatic, not something that we have to drive manually.
[14:12:58] <nick> it's not really any different, to curate 500 stories down to say 20 'good enough' ones rather than 10 great ones.
[14:13:08] <nick> and even if it could, it would still be wrong, as you cant please everyone.
[14:13:20] <cmn32480> not here.
[14:13:23] <janrinok> nick: even telling good stories from bad is difficult
[14:13:33] <cmn32480> you say that liek this is a website populated by a bunch of opinionated nerds
[14:13:38] <nick> it's hard enough as a human
[14:13:51] <janrinok> nick: and I get that wrong too
[14:14:08] <nick> cmn32480, very judgemental of me :(
[14:15:02] <janrinok> my 'vision' is for it to keep us topped up with possible stories that we can dip into should the user subs dry up. Once an auto sub is, say, 48 hours old it will simply be deleted.
[14:15:12] <nick> when i'm not here, im barely reading the news anymore, it's become unpleasant to read it unfiltered as a consumer of information
[14:15:41] <janrinok> They need more editing that a usual submission, but not as much as the raw article. It extracts the html and all the relevant links are intact.
[14:16:27] <nick> with my recent experiences of due diligence when it comes to vetting companies we're working with, that kind of suspicion and cynicism is all too easy to be reaffirmed by reading the 'news' at the moment.
[14:16:56] <janrinok> cmn32480: I had to google your suggested dept - but I like it!
[14:17:11] <nick> janrinok, going to make it submit stories on when subs queue gets to <x
[14:17:14] <nick> ?
[14:18:04] <janrinok> nick: or we have a second hidden sub list that contains stories up to 48 hours old. They could also be used to support user submissions etc
[14:18:28] <janrinok> cmn32480: are you still in the crystal story?
[14:20:05] <nick> a hidden sublist is probably the most effective solution
[14:20:53] <janrinok> agreed, paulej72 suggested that the easiest way to do that would be to give it its own hidden nexus. Then everything can be kept in one place but we can still post to the front page.
[14:21:28] <nick> paulej72 knows best
[14:22:21] <janrinok> well, he knows a lot more than I do, so that is good enough for me!
[14:23:15] <cmn32480> janrinok, all i did was look at the sub preview to see what it was about to give you dept line
[14:23:43] <janrinok> that's good enough for me too, cmn32480. I've edited it :)
[14:28:35] <janrinok> nick: I've also discovered that the team's efforts to stop XSS attacks has also stripped some of the story html from storybot's submissions. Another bug onto my bug list!
[14:29:25] <nick> the joys of software :)
[14:29:31] <janrinok> yep :)
[14:31:54] <nick> i think i have too many email addresses
[14:33:39] <janrinok> it depends on how many you actually have...
[14:34:02] <nick> https://threatpost.com
[14:34:58] <nick> at least 10.
[14:35:09] <nick> which i guess is not that many, but it still feels like too many
[14:35:34] <nick> 11 if you include soylentnews, and there's probably some i'm still forgetting.
[14:35:46] <janrinok> I'm in the 20-30 range now, but 75% of them are directly related to my own domain.
[14:37:42] <nick> nick@ and info@ the various parts of the business take up the majority, and it did just remind me of 2 i forgot about.
[14:38:14] <janrinok> lol
[14:45:23] <nick> think it's time to have some food
[14:46:17] <nick> although i'm not sure if a 'heinz beanz smoky bacon slice' counts as food really
[15:09:30] <mrcoolbp> okay I am barely awake but I'm here, Good morning everyone! (janrinok, nick, cmn32480, et. al)
[15:09:38] <cmn32480> i wish that manufacturer reps woudl stop dinrking their own lool-aid
[15:09:56] <cmn32480> oh my goodness.... the prodigal son returns!
[15:10:01] <cmn32480> mrcoolbp !!
[15:10:04] <mrcoolbp> !!
[15:10:18] <nick> cmn32480, amen brother
[15:10:28] <nick> long time no see, mrcoolbp
[15:11:54] * mrcoolbp is happy to see nick around again
[15:14:45] <mrcoolbp> anyone want to help iwht the cowboyneal peiece?
[15:16:08] * mrcoolbp is not fully functioning
[15:17:29] <cmn32480> mrcoolbp - you think any of us are REALLY fully functional?
[15:17:42] <cmn32480> I'd think we are more of a dysfunctional family
[15:18:03] <mrcoolbp> I'm utterly exhousted is all
[15:21:37] <nick> i can take a look in a bit, mrcoolbp
[15:21:44] <nick> after i finish doing an 'ssl is working' victory fance
[15:21:46] <nick> dance*
[15:22:10] <mrcoolbp> nick: I'm going to give it a go
[15:23:29] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: hi
[15:23:38] <nick> how much has been done on it so far?
[15:24:25] <nick> if it can wait a little, or you're going to work on it first, i can get a couple of other stories edited before we run out in main queue
[15:24:49] <mrcoolbp> nick: yeah do that, I got this, janrinok: hey buddy
[15:25:16] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: things OK with you - we've missed you being around
[15:25:19] <janrinok> ?
[15:25:54] <nick> janrinok, i like the format for your storybot subs - it seems to work really nicely :)
[15:26:22] <janrinok> well, it's a start
[15:26:30] <janrinok> but thx for the feedback
[15:26:39] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: yeah, I'm good, just insane busy/stress at work. How have you been? S?
[15:27:02] <CoolHand> janrinok: re: the discussion about you editing your storybot stories.. I think storybot should get it's own account for submissions.. then you wouldn't be editing yourself anyway..
[15:27:31] <janrinok> S had surgery last Friday so I'm a busy little nurse at present. But we are good, she is quite positive but gets tired easily.
[15:27:33] * CoolHand thinks janrinok's actual plan is to boost his story submission count in the hof.pl and looks to derail that..
[15:27:57] <nick> CoolHand, generally agree - storybot should be its own account.
[15:28:34] <janrinok> CoolHand: yeah, I can't decide what name to give it - but storybot seems to work if it is to be hidden. I don't want the community to see 'storybot' and think that their subs are no longer required/wanted
[15:29:03] <janrinok> I can go ahead a create an account for any name so suggestions would be welcome
[15:29:31] <CoolHand> janrinok: we just don't have a "storybot writes" line..
[15:30:34] <janrinok> well, I can give it any name you think is good - for testing on dev I use 'Arthur T Knackbracket' - it is my childish side coming out...
[15:30:42] <CoolHand> names... subman, subdude, snsubber, submitordie.. :)
[15:30:43] <cmn32480> we can call it jrinok
[15:30:47] <janrinok> knackerbracket*
[15:31:00] <CoolHand> haha, sounds like something from douglas adams
[15:31:16] <janrinok> maybe, I don't know where it comes from
[15:31:18] <CoolHand> "jr"inok.. like that :)
[15:32:39] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: is the workload reducing now, or have you just got a break from the treadmill for today?
[15:33:14] <cmn32480> it's kinda like exec getting credit
[15:34:12] <cmn32480> I kinda like Arthur T Knackerbracket
[15:34:18] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: little of both
[15:34:36] <janrinok> how's life at home?
[15:35:06] <mrcoolbp> oh great
[15:36:04] <janrinok> good to hear - we both/all know how important it is to have support from that quarter
[15:37:52] <CoolHand> I have no objection to Arthur T Knackerbracket..
[15:41:17] * mrcoolbp is almost done with his formatting
[15:44:26] * nick vomits a little on reading the Hugh Pickens submission
[15:44:48] <janrinok> yeah, I decided to give that one a miss :)
[15:45:00] <cmn32480> what nick? It a little partisan?
[15:45:11] <nick> "If you’re writing for a CEO out here, they’re more likely to be your peer than your grandfather," says Vietor. "They’re young, they’re cool, they get it."
[15:45:28] <nick> thats as far as i got
[15:45:45] <cmn32480> I read it yesterday adn decided to pass.
[15:45:49] <janrinok> gtg - meal to cook
[15:45:50] <cmn32480> that make s 3.
[15:45:54] <janrinok> delete it!
[15:45:55] <cmn32480> time to bin that sucker
[15:46:05] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[15:46:06] <nick> theres a good story in there
[15:46:12] <nick> but it's presented like a big steaming pile of shit
[15:46:27] <cmn32480> you are welcome to do the rewrite
[15:46:47] <nick> it's the classic revolving door story, or an early phase of the next set of revolving door specialists
[15:48:12] <nick> the way to make sure the new wave of tech giants are in the same relationship with the .gov as energy, mil-ind and banking have been for a few generations
[15:48:36] <nick> make sure the new kids dont get any ideas and try to be different
[15:49:52] * cmn32480 thinks he forgot to buy his plane tickets for next week.... ruh roh
[15:50:11] <nick> yeah well, last time you put it off, was for the air miles if i recall
[15:50:14] <nick> so you had it coming ;)
[15:50:33] <cmn32480> now I'm guaranteed the miles....
[15:50:44] <cmn32480> if there are still seats
[15:51:03] <mrcoolbp> nick, CoolHand, janrinok, cmn32480: okay, I think the 'CowbowNeal Responds' article is ready
[15:51:20] <cmn32480> that started like 6 months ago, didn't it?
[15:51:22] <mrcoolbp> if ya'll want to take a gander, would be nice to have a sanity check on the formatting
[15:51:28] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: aye.
[15:51:40] <mrcoolbp> oh let me link to the original, sec
[15:51:45] <cmn32480> after I nbuy next week's plane tickets
[15:52:04] <cmn32480> stupid brain... need to poke it with a Q-Tip
[15:58:04] * mrcoolbp is going to set the article to go out in 30 min
[16:01:00] <nick> im having a look see now
[16:01:22] <mrcoolbp> nick I set it to 'display' already, no pressure = )
[16:01:37] <nick> that's where you're wrong, it's MORE pressure ;)
[16:10:36] * nick likes cowboyneal's advice on listening to the community heh
[16:12:56] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[16:16:33] <nick> nothings jumped out at me as being an issue for the formatting... the b is missing from the "by" on tibman's question, and paulej72's says ./ not /. - intentional?
[16:17:12] <nick> there's also no title for TMB's question
[16:19:23] <nick> updated to correct 'by tibman' on #6
[16:29:13] <mrcoolbp> nick: I don't think he had a title
[16:29:33] <mrcoolbp> nick: fix the other stuff
[16:29:42] <mrcoolbp> (please)
[16:29:43] <mrcoolbp> = )
[16:29:48] <nick> 10-4
[16:30:03] <mrcoolbp> thanks
[16:31:03] <nick> i'm going to just add "UTF-8" as TMB's question, for consistency
[16:43:38] <mrcoolbp> cool
[17:09:02] <cmn32480> teamwork++
[17:09:02] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 15
[17:11:42] <nick> cmn32480, got a minute
[17:11:43] <nick> ?
[17:11:48] <cmn32480> certainly sir
[17:12:09] <cmn32480> I'm eating so as long as you don't mind me typing with my mouth full
[17:12:40] <nick> can you give the Italian Hacker story a second look? I added my own submission to it, as i didnt see it in the queue when i first put it in.
[17:13:03] <nick> but i think the addition i made from my submission is necessary
[17:14:24] <cmn32480> surely
[17:14:34] <cmn32480> or rather, surely, Shirley
[17:20:38] <cmn32480> looks good nick
[17:20:43] <cmn32480> er, shirley
[17:21:34] <cmn32480> I have 5th'd your 4th edit
[17:21:47] <nick> thanks :D
[17:22:01] <nick> i thought it was a wortwhile counterpoint to the other submission
[17:22:54] <nick> "do not do business with oppressive governments." unless they're called Saudi Arabia, Oman, Sudan, Ethiopia or Egypt
[17:26:38] <janrinok_afk> nick - I like the addition - you need to submit earlier, I could have used that ;)
[17:26:50] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[17:26:55] * nick should have looked at the stories queue earlier.
[17:27:00] <janrinok> lol
[17:27:36] <cmn32480> "Buy a new pair of specticles"
[17:27:49] <cmn32480> awesome
[17:27:53] <janrinok> damn typos - we need an editor!
[17:28:07] <cmn32480> can the community even see the story queue, or did we kill that for 4/1?
[17:28:22] <cmn32480> actually, I shoudl have copy pasted... you spelled it right
[17:28:39] <janrinok> if you are logged in as staff you cannot see it - you either get the admin menu or you see the pending subs
[17:30:32] <cmn32480> I jsut logged out. they did turn that back on
[17:30:59] <cmn32480> It is so rare that I do anything logged out.... unles I am testing for bytram.
[17:31:21] <nick> when i log out im reminded about that nasty red theme :|
[17:31:49] <cmn32480> I use night mode... easier on my eyes
[17:31:53] <janrinok> I'm the same, I forget what the community can and cannot see - and I _like_ the red theme
[17:32:13] <nick> you're wrong to like it janrinok, but i wont hold it against you :p
[17:32:37] <janrinok> I've often been wrong - I even like the other editors on this channel
[17:33:01] <nick> i use Black Iclcle, because simple and boring.
[17:34:21] <cmn32480> janrinok - God only knows why...
[17:34:51] <janrinok> If I ever get to meet Him - I'll ask
[17:34:58] <nick> very bad judge of character apparently
[17:35:49] <cmn32480> I think nick might be spot on
[17:37:11] <janrinok> I'm also glad that there is no moderation on IRC - other than the most brutal type, of course
[17:38:10] <janrinok> I still don't get why ACs complain of the things that they cannot do as ACs, yet don't take any effort to make up some fictitious name and log in as that...
[17:38:35] * janrinok acknowledges he must be getting old.
[17:38:59] <cmn32480> duh? - htey value their anonimity
[17:39:25] <janrinok> so what does a fictitious name give away?
[17:40:52] <nick> site could be full of thousands of janrinoks
[17:40:58] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[17:41:02] <cmn32480> a very interesting idea
[17:41:49] <janrinok> nick: exactly!
[17:42:21] <cmn32480> it gives the community at large a posting history for a person
[17:42:25] <nick> or n*s
[17:42:49] <cmn32480> exaclty
[17:42:58] <nick> i like the idea of a more obvious journal firehose type deal
[17:43:23] <cmn32480> I was thinking about a journal nexus that all journal entries get posted to.
[17:43:29] <nick> yeah
[17:43:38] <cmn32480> that'd tehn allow us to pull from the journals for story subs
[17:43:58] <nick> well, if it goes that way, we should be able to edit it to appear on the main page
[17:44:00] <nick> simple process
[17:46:33] <nick> "Controversial spyware maker Hacking Team claims a torrent purporting to contain source code and other documents stolen from its systems is riddled with a "virus" – a claim laughed at by independent security experts in the industry."
[17:46:57] <janrinok> nick: I take it you mean that journal entries could be posted on the most appropriate nexus, which might not necessarily be the front page.
[17:47:07] <nick> janrinok, indeed
[17:47:09] <cmn32480> says TheMightyBuzzard: "Very definitely a major change, that idea. They may look the same but the storage and processing is vastly different for journals vs. stories for some reason."
[17:47:33] <nick> i kind of assumed that
[17:47:39] <nick> wishful thinking tried to ignore it
[18:20:55] <janrinok> nick: so what's for lunch?
[18:21:26] <nick> turkey noodle stirfry
[18:21:51] <nick> i find turkey is a very underappreciated meat
[18:22:13] <janrinok> we have turkey often - it is quite popular and cheap here
[18:22:47] <nick> it's cheap here too, but not very popular for some reason
[18:22:56] <nick> people seem to save it for christmas
[18:23:08] <nick> no logical reason except 'you have turkey at christmas'
[18:23:23] <janrinok> a big mistake - but I should be grateful because it keeps the prices down for the rest of the year
[18:24:44] <nick> yeah
[18:25:00] <nick> im considering making turkey burgers at some point
[18:25:04] <nick> not sure how that will go
[18:25:19] <janrinok> I can't see how it can go wrong
[18:35:21] <cmn32480> we use ground turkey instead of beef all the time
[18:36:11] <janrinok> cmn32480: are you competent in the kitchen or do you prefer reheat from frozen?
[18:37:20] <cmn32480> I am competant, not a gourmet chef, but I haven't poisoned anybody (accidentally) yet!
[18:37:53] <janrinok> you make that sound as though you might have poisoned a few intentionally - but I think I know what you mean
[18:38:38] <cmn32480> I could tell you.. but then I'd have to cook for you ;-)
[18:39:16] <janrinok> lol - you remind me of xlefay, who used to hang about on here
[18:40:16] <cmn32480> brb gotta ship some stuff
[18:48:13] <cmn32480> ok back
[18:49:01] <nick> lol
[18:49:09] <nick> "I could tell you.. but then I'd have to cook for you" is brilliant
[18:49:38] <cmn32480> I try
[18:50:41] * nick notes that for the most part logic and reason prevailed in the greek referendum comments
[18:52:09] <janrinok> gtg soon - need to put on my nurse's uniform for the last half-hour of S's day
[18:55:25] <nick> take care janrinok
[18:55:37] <janrinok> cu guys tomorrow
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[18:57:57] <nick> reading the background on this Hacking Team story makes me need a smoke :|
[23:01:41] <nick> anyone here?
[23:28:07] * nick sigh