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[15:44:52] <cmn32480> Janrinok !!
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[16:40:37] <takyon> take a look at
[16:40:41] <takyon> Numbering Mistake Leads Tribunal to Admit UK Illegally Spied on Amnesty International
[16:41:34] <takyon> next story to go out didn't get merged with mine. although that would make a damn long thing anyway
[16:41:39] <takyon> so decide what to do with it
[16:41:40] <takyon> later
[17:40:04] <janrinok> takyon: sorry about that - but could you also 2nd ed the other stories please?
[17:51:30] <janrinok> takyon: it's merged in now
[17:51:54] <janrinok> ... but you could have merged it yourself?
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[18:01:57] <janrinok> hi nick
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[18:04:02] <janrinok> hi FatPhil
[18:05:36] <janrinok> SoyGuest4024: hi nick
[18:16:58] <cmn32480_Grass_Cutte> janrinok !!
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[18:17:10] <janrinok> cmn32480: !!
[18:17:18] <janrinok> grass all cut now?
[18:17:31] <cmn32480> yeah... took way too long
[18:17:39] <cmn32480> now I'm all tired adn need a beer or 3
[18:17:49] <janrinok> exactly - now you're talking
[18:17:56] <cmn32480> and a shower
[18:18:04] <cmn32480> definitely need a shower
[18:18:13] <janrinok> I wasn't going to mention that....
[18:18:19] <cmn32480> you know it's ba when you can smell yourself
[18:18:37] <janrinok> ba - is that when you smell like a sheep?
[18:18:39] <cmn32480> but it's done
[18:18:55] <cmn32480> only when they struggle....
[18:19:03] <janrinok> I wouldn't know ;)
[18:19:27] <cmn32480> me neither.... that's just what I've heard... yeah thats it
[18:19:29] * janrinok only dates willing sheep - he's not weird
[18:19:37] <cmn32480> good for you
[18:19:53] <cmn32480> unwilling sheep
[18:20:03] <cmn32480> they say stuff like "wool you stop that??!!?"
[18:20:13] <janrinok> baaack off
[18:20:18] <cmn32480> that feels Baaaaaaaaadddddd
[18:20:30] <cmn32480> lol
[18:20:35] <janrinok> well, that got rid of the sheep jokes
[18:20:43] <cmn32480> thanks god
[18:20:50] <janrinok> how's the family? have you heard from them?
[18:20:57] <cmn32480> they are doing quite well
[18:21:03] <janrinok> ...without you
[18:21:07] <cmn32480> the boat ride yesterday tired everybody out.
[18:21:16] <cmn32480> and I am doing quite nicely without them for a few days
[18:21:22] <janrinok> boat ride, whoa, that's news to me
[18:21:44] <cmn32480> the friends they are visiting live near a rather large lane in North Carolina
[18:21:49] <cmn32480> *lake
[18:22:12] <janrinok> S is back from hospital after surgery, she is OK but very tired and looking a bit worse for wear
[18:22:23] <cmn32480> oh good!
[18:22:32] <cmn32480> that she is ok, not that she is worse for wear
[18:22:47] <janrinok> lol - I figured that's what you meant :)
[18:23:02] <cmn32480> I know... but just in case I figured it best to clarify
[18:23:16] <cmn32480> I don't need extra help inserting my foot in my mouth
[18:23:33] <janrinok> my mouth us usually full of both feet
[18:23:48] <cmn32480> with a side of ketchup!
[18:24:00] <janrinok> not enough room!
[18:24:07] <cmn32480> that's why it is on the side
[18:24:12] <janrinok> messy
[18:24:20] <cmn32480> and you must be exceptionally flexible to do that
[18:24:38] <cmn32480> back in a sec.. need to grab a drink
[18:25:59] <cmn32480> much better
[18:26:09] <janrinok> beer?
[18:26:14] <cmn32480> water
[18:26:18] <cmn32480> rehydrate first
[18:26:22] <cmn32480> then drink beer
[18:27:15] <cmn32480> I see that you ahve been ahrd at work editing today
[18:27:20] <janrinok> I've filled the story queue until 0800UTC tomorrow, some need 2nd'ing
[18:27:32] <janrinok> you guys want to enjoy your holiday
[18:27:34] <cmn32480> I'll take care if it after I get out of the shower
[18:27:39] <cmn32480> hehehe
[18:28:11] <cmn32480> it'll be a day of relaxation and computer work for me
[18:28:15] <janrinok> if we get no more subs in the next 12 hours or so, I will provide some as a test for my program
[18:28:29] <cmn32480> ok
[18:28:37] <cmn32480> there are currently 3 in the queue
[18:28:52] <cmn32480> I will see what I can do about it
[18:28:56] <janrinok> They will need a bit more editing than usual but it is better than an empty queue. I'll put them out in small batches
[18:29:12] <cmn32480> ok
[18:29:20] <cmn32480> I'd like to see the results of your bot
[18:29:25] <cmn32480> I'm quite curious
[18:29:39] <janrinok> I can email some to you as examples if you wish
[18:29:55] <cmn32480> you did actually at one point.
[18:30:10] <cmn32480> I don't knwo why I forgo5t
[18:30:16] <janrinok> ah, well the only change now is that it does a word search and tries to suggest topics
[18:30:24] <cmn32480> cool
[18:30:36] * cmn32480 is suitably impressed
[18:32:05] <janrinok> still a lot of work required but I'm not sure how to solve the problem. Takyon's program (I think) uses a browser to extract the story once you have found a page worth processing, and helps put the submission together. Mine approaches it from a different angle and tries to collect lots of stuff for us to sift
[18:32:54] <cmn32480> not familiar wiht what he is working on
[18:33:02] <janrinok> If I only submit those that it can find a likely topic for then it seems to drop most of the rubbish but some stories still escape
[18:33:36] <cmn32480> but if the ones that it gets a decent topic on are good enough to run with no worries
[18:33:44] <cmn32480> there will always be a few that get away.
[18:33:52] <janrinok> basically, once you find a page with a story on, takyon's prog extracts it and puts it into a submission page ready for you to submit
[18:34:07] <cmn32480> but that means you avhe to find the story
[18:34:19] <janrinok> at least, that is what I think it does - I could be wrong again I suppose
[18:34:20] <cmn32480> as an editor, I dont' really want to be running around looking for the stories
[18:34:51] <cmn32480> I want to be able to open the queue, fix what is there and publish
[18:35:08] <janrinok> well, if we can make it easier for others to submit stories then perhaps they will. My prog is to rescue us when they don't...
[18:35:24] <cmn32480> whcih is more what I am cencerned wiht
[18:35:35] <cmn32480> wow... that was some horrid typing
[18:35:49] <janrinok> I think that they are complementary - but I'm more interested in my own approach.
[18:35:55] <cmn32480> me as well
[18:36:04] <janrinok> you're tired and thirsty - I forgive you
[18:36:09] <cmn32480> thansk
[18:36:12] <janrinok> lol
[18:36:14] <cmn32480> geea
[18:36:17] <cmn32480> geez
[18:36:23] <janrinok> rofl
[18:36:28] <cmn32480> lol
[18:36:34] <cmn32480> at least I spelled that right
[18:36:43] <janrinok> looks like the grass won...
[18:36:54] <cmn32480> and I haven't even been drinking yet!
[18:37:06] <janrinok> well, there's your problem then
[18:37:20] <cmn32480> very likely
[18:39:34] <cmn32480> alright sir. time for me to go get clean
[18:39:57] <cmn32480> give S my best, and let her know I am keeping her in my prayers
[18:40:36] <janrinok> thx will do - now you better get yourself showered and grab a beer
[18:42:26] <cmn32480> yes dad!
[18:42:30] <cmn32480> ttyl
[18:42:35] <janrinok> laters
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[19:07:00] <cmn32480> much better
[19:07:03] <cmn32480> all clean
[19:14:05] <janrinok> and a beer?
[19:15:37] <janrinok> ah - you're 2nd eding - thx
[19:15:48] <cmn32480> somebody has to check you for tpyos
[19:15:58] <janrinok> and spolling mistooks
[19:16:10] <cmn32480> presisely
[19:16:19] <janrinok> rite
[19:16:25] <cmn32480> rofl
[19:16:32] <cmn32480> we're awful
[19:16:35] * janrinok looks up the page at the last 20 lines or so....
[19:17:20] * cmn32480 giggles that this is all logged
[19:17:50] <cmn32480> at some point... somebody will look at this log and say "WTF is wrong with those two?????"
[19:17:56] <janrinok> and all around the world - people are reading this and thinking 'what a load of idiots!'. I might be being kind there...
[19:18:05] <cmn32480> exaclty
[19:18:14] <janrinok> great minds - or should I say grate minz
[19:18:21] <janrinok> mindz*
[19:18:47] <cmn32480> at least we "know" most of the folks that are cutrrentyl attached
[19:18:52] <janrinok> you do realise that we are now talking in crypto - and it is working
[19:19:14] <janrinok> people can access the logs and we wouldn't know
[19:19:24] <cmn32480> I'm glad one of us understands it!
[19:19:28] <cmn32480> true
[19:20:17] <cmn32480> and thankfully most of the senior staff don't have time to go back and read the logs
[19:20:33] <janrinok> or so we are supposed to think!
[19:20:38] <cmn32480> also true
[19:21:02] <cmn32480> I know for sure that some don't.
[19:21:04] <janrinok> I bet that they cut our pay the first chance they get
[19:21:11] <cmn32480> mrcool is one of them
[19:21:25] <cmn32480> highly likely... all this screwing around we do
[19:21:29] <janrinok> have you seen/heard from him recently?
[19:21:41] <cmn32480> he poked in for about 5 min last night
[19:21:56] <janrinok> ah, at least he is well - if busy and overworked
[19:22:09] <cmn32480> both
[19:22:18] <cmn32480> headed for burnout if he isn't careful
[19:22:41] <janrinok> You're right - but I hope it doesn't happen to him
[19:22:45] <cmn32480> he was arounf for about 8 minutes shortly after midnight EDT
[19:23:39] <cmn32480> I found the article on burnout very enlightening
[19:24:25] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[19:24:29] <janrinok> I've just had one of those 'doh' moments
[19:24:29] <exec> └─ 13"I've even cried a few times just at the sight of my text editor." - SoylentNews
[19:25:14] <janrinok> I've been trying to debug a program to discover that the memory card that it is operating from is full! And I couldn't work out why it kept crashing
[19:25:16] <cmn32480> which kind of DOH! moment?
[19:25:24] <cmn32480> DOH!
[19:25:31] <janrinok> exactly
[19:25:45] <janrinok> Yep - I can relate to the guy that wrote that article
[19:25:56] <cmn32480> a lot of us can
[19:26:16] <cmn32480> especially in the IT/Programming fields
[19:26:42] <cmn32480> you know I've been staring over that precipice for a while
[19:26:50] <janrinok> I wonder why bosses are so slow at picking up on it - it can't be good for their business either
[19:26:57] <cmn32480> it isn't
[19:27:34] <cmn32480> my boss can't afford for me to go up in flames.
[19:27:52] <janrinok> hence the reason you are getting a side-kick?
[19:27:57] <cmn32480> yup
[19:28:27] <janrinok> well, it shows he values you - the company are prepared to pay for someone else just so that you can keep going
[19:29:00] <cmn32480> they know that I have been pushing beyond limits for months
[19:29:27] <cmn32480> I think he figured it out right quick when I told him that I had the thought "How do I get out of this chicken shit outfit?"
[19:29:51] <janrinok> that should give him a bit of a wake up call
[19:30:09] <cmn32480> he was a Marine. He knows what it means
[19:30:17] <janrinok> good guy then
[19:30:22] <cmn32480> yeah he is
[19:30:24] <cmn32480> tough
[19:30:33] <cmn32480> and the first one to jump in to help before you ask for it
[19:30:40] <takyon> oh hi janrinok
[19:30:47] <janrinok> takyon: hi
[19:30:52] <cmn32480> heya takyon
[19:31:03] <takyon> my "program" actually grabs URLs for processing in my "news journal"
[19:31:11] <janrinok> ah, ok
[19:31:26] <takyon> it evaluates keywords within the innerText of the article to automatically pick a "tag" for the story
[19:31:53] <takyon> this is how I can handle the many tens of thousands of news articles I read each year
[19:32:45] <janrinok> what does it do - if anything - towards producing a sub?
[19:33:30] <takyon> nothing, it's for organizing what I read
[19:33:36] <janrinok> ah, got it
[19:33:51] <cmn32480> that makes a lot kmore sense
[19:34:02] <takyon> I ripped out the tagging code, tried to modify it a bit for python, and gave you some starting keywords that I thought might work for soylent's particular story tags/topics
[19:34:36] <takyon> that said, auto-nexusing is a more interesting pursuit than auto-topic
[19:34:52] <janrinok> they were very useful thanks - I tossed up with writing a bit of code to automate the process or just copying your list. Fortunately my typing is fast enough to copy type
[19:35:02] <takyon> since we could have whole nexuses where bots could exclusively post to the nexus, and not have that litter the main page
[19:35:37] <janrinok> They will still need some editing before release though - or at least that is the current plan
[19:36:48] <takyon> yeah. good timing too, since reddit is imploding
[19:37:07] <janrinok> If I have understood the discussions so far - the plan is that each nexus can be supported by individuals who are only interested in, say, that particular topic. They are more expert in their field, and know where to look for more stories
[19:37:11] <takyon> not that I expect we will absorb most of the... outflow
[19:37:55] <takyon> I expect us mainpage editors will get editing privs on most nexuses. So that we can drop in a gaming nexus story destined for the main page, for example
[19:37:59] <janrinok> I would be happy if the 'good' ones from redit join us, but not the children who litter some sub-redits
[19:38:37] <takyon> we are a blip on the internet's radar screen. most of those people will be going to voat... possibly
[19:38:55] <takyon> or staying on reddit after enough normalcy is reestablished
[19:38:57] <janrinok> we have access to all nexuses. Editors who are nexus specific can only access their own nexus. That is the reason for the meta and breaking 'bugs' that we see at the moment
[19:39:50] <takyon> I was thinking of a "gadget" nexus but now I'm wondering about a broader "soyvert(isement)" nexus. It would be good for people who want to filter out products
[19:41:15] <janrinok> the only ones that I have heard discussed - in addition to the topics that will be converted to nexuses - are gaming and OpenSource software. But there will be (again, I think) the ability for teams to create their own nexus.
[19:41:35] <janrinok> The hows and whys have not been discussed as far as I know.
[19:42:34] <janrinok> The advantage being that we can have rss feeds from each nexus so that people see the updates that they want, and you can filter your 'view' to limit only those topics of interest
[19:43:51] <janrinok> I've just noticed the time - I've gtg - I got a patient to look after tonight. cu guys tomorrow?
[19:43:58] * cmn32480 wonders if there will be a gewg_ nexus
[19:44:21] <cmn32480> I will be here. Give S my best.
[19:46:09] <janrinok> thx - I just have!
[19:46:13] <janrinok> gtg
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[19:47:34] <takyon> oh I didn't hear about converting topics to nexii. that sounds like a good idea
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