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[01:01:38] <n1> cmn32480
[01:01:52] <cmn32480> wassup n1
[01:02:08] <n1> all the stories check out ok?
[01:02:27] <cmn32480> everythign i 2nd'd did
[01:02:50] <cmn32480> I apparently ate somethign that had milk in it and was otherwise occupied for most of the last hour
[01:03:06] <n1> that not so ideal?
[01:03:13] <cmn32480> I'm lactose intolerant
[01:03:17] <n1> :(
[01:03:47] <cmn32480> if I drink/eat any quantity of dairy, it causes some intestinal distress. with extremem prejudice
[01:03:51] <n1> how long can you suffer for it?
[01:04:09] <cmn32480> I gre into it about 10 years ago
[01:04:28] <cmn32480> generally, I know about 45 minutes after eating whatevere it was.
[01:04:39] <cmn32480> and an hour or so after that, it's over
[01:05:22] <cmn32480> as medical issues go, it is pretty minor
[01:05:39] <cmn32480> if I know what I am eating, I take some otc pills
[01:06:08] <cmn32480> if I forget to take the pills.... upside down Mt. Vesuvius
[01:06:11] <n1> friends have had various intolerances, some suffer for a day or two
[01:06:47] <cmn32480> all told it is pretty minor. but I'm usually really careful when I travel
[01:07:23] <cmn32480> apparently I missed somethign tonight. I'm betting that it was the sauce in the Jambalaya
[01:08:02] <n1> was it good though?
[01:08:26] <cmn32480> the jambalaya?
[01:08:30] <n1> yeah
[01:08:35] <n1> good food must be worth it sometimes
[01:08:36] <cmn32480> it was so awful I almost licked the plate
[01:08:50] <n1> lol
[01:09:23] <cmn32480> and the seared yellow fin was perfect
[01:09:48] <cmn32480> and the Not Your Father's Root Beer was really good too
[01:10:05] <cmn32480> all in all, I'm really glad I went ot the place that the DC manager suggested
[01:11:32] <cmn32480> how's things on your end?
[01:11:37] <cmn32480> no pun intended
[01:12:13] <takyonAFK> a little note about the dino story
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[01:12:33] <n1> aye?
[01:12:42] <takyon> I think the researchers timed it to coincide with the new Jurassic Park film!
[01:13:01] <n1> never!
[01:13:15] <cmn32480> not too big a stretch in that thought
[01:14:07] <takyon> it opens Jun. 12
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[01:15:12] <n1> Received
[01:15:12] <n1> 25 January 2015
[01:15:12] <n1> Accepted
[01:15:12] <n1> 30 April 2015
[01:15:12] <n1> Published
[01:15:13] <n1> 09 June 2015
[01:15:18] <n1> timing couldn't have been better really
[01:17:24] <n1> dont think i can bring myself to see the film though.
[01:18:35] <cmn32480> redbox
[01:18:55] <cmn32480> that is about the only way I see "recent" moveis anymore
[01:21:49] <cmn32480> anybody have thoughts on the BFQ story?
[01:22:07] <cmn32480> It seems ok, but somethign jsut isn't right with it
[01:29:10] <n1> no idea what BFQ is
[01:30:04] <cmn32480> me neither.. and I'm wondering if that is what the story is actually missing, other than it being in the wikipedia link
[01:38:48] <takyon> BFQ where
[01:39:11] <takyon> don't tell me it's a systemd competitor
[01:41:20] <n1> im not a fan of either submission.
[01:42:17] <cmn32480> I don't think so Takyon
[01:43:53] <n1> 'something might get added to the linux kernal one day'
[01:44:00] <n1> is not much of a story in my opinion
[01:44:16] <cmn32480> agreed. there is no hook to it
[01:44:31] <cmn32480> nothign to make me say anythign more than "so what?"
[01:52:38] <n1> needs more dinosaurs
[02:43:16] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[02:43:17] <systemd> ^ 03SN article:  The "Let's Encrypt" Project Generates Root and Intermediate Certificates 04(1 comments)
[02:43:21] <takyon> what's with the gramma
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[09:46:43] <janrinok|afk> Bytram: did you mean to put that story out tomorrow rather than today?
[10:15:54] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: hola
[10:17:07] <Bytram> no, I was trying to find out what the last-scheduled story was, and the easiest technique I know is to push it ahead a day or so, see the updated story list in the side bar with my story at the tippy-top, and then adjust it back down, as needed.
[10:17:20] <Bytram> oops!
[10:17:37] <Bytram> that was my *intent* ... looks like I made a boo-boo!
[10:17:39] <Bytram> brb
[10:18:44] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: well, it looks like you have the story open, so I'll let you change it to today's date.
[10:19:35] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: I updated the shoplifter / house explosion story to include the 'Original Submission' link, but...
[10:33:59] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: ping
[10:35:12] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: I'm struggling with the shoplifter / house explosion story and have unchecked the Display checkbox
[10:35:54] <Bytram> from looking at the original submission and the current story, I can see you put a *lot* of work into it.
[10:36:20] <Bytram> I'm struggling with the paragraph which follows the <blockquote>'d text
[10:37:26] <Bytram> he has made clear in his comments on the site that he is from the USA.
[10:37:49] <Bytram> and then I read "But as someone who doesn't live in America the nature of the assault and extent of the resulting damage is not something that I am used to seeing elsewhere."
[10:39:10] <Bytram> my brain went, 'Wha... huh?' and I suddenly realized there was a change in authorship, and, further, that I no longer had any idea who the author was.
[10:40:27] <Bytram> I would fully support seeing that entire paragraph being submitted as a comment after the story goes live, but I am not comfortable seeing that as part of the original story.
[10:58:43] <Bytram> need a break, biab
[10:58:45] <Bytram> afk
[11:07:37] <CoolHand> it looks like that paragraph has been removed, but it's still not set for display...
[11:07:51] <Bytram> orly?
[11:07:54] * Bytram goes to look
[11:09:24] <Bytram> I was talking about the para that starts with "It is necessary for the police to take action to ..."
[11:09:30] <Bytram> I still see it in there.
[11:09:39] <Bytram> CoolHand: what are your thoughts on it?
[11:13:52] <CoolHand> lemme look agaian
[11:14:15] <Bytram> np
[11:14:16] <CoolHand> crap, I do see it there..
[11:15:36] <CoolHand> I kind of agree with the sentiment.. but I think it's unnecessarily America bashing and editorializing.. and untrue.. (more)
[11:16:06] <CoolHand> more correct would have been "I am not used to seeing here in Europe".. as I'm pretty sure worse things than this happen in some other parts of the world..
[11:16:42] <CoolHand> yeah, I thing that goes in the comments. I think it could be reworded without that sentence and still ask those questions.
[11:17:21] janrinok|afk is now known as janrinok
[11:17:27] <CoolHand> janrinok!
[11:17:32] <janrinok> CoolHand: !
[11:17:39] <janrinok> how's things?
[11:18:03] <Bytram> janrinok: bon jour, mein freund!
[11:18:06] <CoolHand> cool..
[11:18:15] <janrinok> Bytram: to you also
[11:18:24] <Bytram> danke!
[11:18:26] <CoolHand> guten morgen (abend)
[11:18:28] <Bytram> Wie gehts?
[11:18:58] <janrinok> my gehts are fine thankyou
[11:19:05] <CoolHand> lol
[11:19:20] <janrinok> I'm just back reading...
[11:19:21] <Bytram> wunderbar, jetz mach es 'open'
[11:19:41] <janrinok> ausgeziechnetz
[11:19:47] * Bytram studied German a *long* time ago and is feeling the accumulated 'rust'
[11:19:50] <janrinok> possibly a spelling error there
[11:19:59] <Bytram> ja, das stimt
[11:20:24] <Bytram> aus gezeichnet?
[11:20:47] <Bytram> ich weis nicht, aber es auch macht nichts! Keine probleme!
[11:21:17] <janrinok> OK, I changed the intro to the gewg_ submission to be a 'suggested' rather than a 'writes', as we discussed last week
[11:21:33] <Bytram> nod nod - I saw that
[11:21:40] <janrinok> what's the problem with the content?
[11:22:38] <Bytram> basically, I was reading along and suddenly noticed the 'author' had seemed to change
[11:22:52] <Bytram> at first I was reading something from G, and then I saw the paragraph
[11:22:56] <janrinok> hence the 'suggested'... and I am the author
[11:23:14] <Bytram> about not being from the USA, and I said to myself, 'wha?' I *know* he's from the USA
[11:23:26] <janrinok> we had this discussion last week or 10 days ago
[11:23:44] <Bytram> that really threw me off and I had to reread it a couple times to
[11:23:50] <janrinok> ok
[11:24:05] <Bytram> guess that this story was basically a complete rewrite of what was submitted
[11:24:40] <Bytram> Also the para that follows the <blockquote> looks to me like it might be better put in a comment to the story, rather than as part of the story itself.
[11:24:43] <Bytram> I see that you were
[11:24:51] <janrinok> Yes, I took different sources - because gewg_'s choice was not the best for this story
[11:24:52] <Bytram> trying to provide something to encourage
[11:25:03] <Bytram> discussion, but I was still thrown off.
[11:25:28] <Bytram> umm
[11:25:53] <Bytram> so the 'suggested' or whatever clarfies that it's not the original sub and that
[11:26:15] <Bytram> it has been rewritten, it wasn't so clear who the actual author was when I saw the word "I" in that para
[11:26:15] <janrinok> suggest (no pun intended :)) a different intro?
[11:26:19] <Bytram> lol
[11:26:39] <Bytram> I suggest removing that para and submitting it as a comment to the story
[11:26:57] <Bytram> those are your perspectives
[11:27:23] <CoolHand> I think it's unnecessarily America-bashing also, and disagree that this or something worse might not happen in other areas of the world.. (maybe not england or france), but plenty of places I think it could..
[11:27:25] <Bytram> this is difficult for me so I hope you're taking this in the way it was intended
[11:27:36] <janrinok> of course, no prob with that.
[11:27:48] <Bytram> an open discussion and not intended as criticism at all!
[11:28:11] <CoolHand> Bytram: it *is* criticism, but not all criticism is bad...
[11:28:21] <Bytram> point taken
[11:28:36] <janrinok> well, if it does happen elsewhere to this degree, it never even gets publicised over here to the extent that this story has. Note one of the sources is a UK newpaper, and there are others
[11:28:38] * Bytram heads to the corner for a 'time out'
[11:29:09] <CoolHand> criticsm def #3: the act or art of analyzing and evaluating or judging the quality of a literary or artistic work, musical performance, art exhibit, dramatic production, etc.
[11:29:41] <Bytram> reading it over again, I think I'm mostly taken aback by the use of the word 'I' in a few places and that gives it a bit of a 'soapbox' tone to me
[11:30:04] * Bytram takes a drama-mine and hopes that helps
[11:30:09] <janrinok> When a first saw the story I wondered if gewg_ had found an inaccurate source. n1 and I did some searching last night and found plenty of alternative sources to support it
[11:30:22] <Bytram> yeah, I saw that!
[11:30:30] <Bytram> great detective work there!
[11:30:49] <janrinok> well, that bit was easy, surprisingly. It is well covered now
[11:30:57] <Bytram> nice to hear
[11:31:22] <janrinok> OK. I'll remove that para
[11:32:13] <janrinok> ah, fuck, the unordered list bug has struck again!
[11:32:38] <Bytram> what bug is that?
[11:32:56] * Bytram opens the story in edit mode in case something needs to be retrieved.
[11:33:30] <janrinok> I snagged it this morning on git. If you preview a story with an unordered list in it, it corrupts the list and text around it, and also inserts random'ish html and parentheses
[11:33:56] <janrinok> I'll have to re-edit the sources again.
[11:34:23] <Bytram> I have 'em what part do you need?
[11:34:28] * CoolHand has a pet peeve about people misunderstanding criticism or criticizing to only mean bad things.. the word gets a bad rap, and CoolHand is its defender..
[11:34:49] <janrinok> all the additional sources, but I can do it manually, hang on a min
[11:34:49] <Bytram> CoolHand++ # truth justice and the amwerican whey!
[11:34:49] <Bender> karma - coolhand: 13
[11:35:07] <CoolHand> yeah, I still have the page up and not refreshed, so I can get the links too
[11:35:18] <Bytram> <p>Additional sources:</p><ul> <li> <a href="http://kdvr.com/2015/06/08/greenwood-village-police-standoff-suspect-tried-to-kill-them/">KDVR.com</a> </li><li> <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3113816/Angry-homeowner-brands-cops-thugs-SWAT-team-blows-house-apart-looking-gunman-leaving-250-000-worth-damage.html">Daily Mail</a> </li><li> <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28250350/g
[11:35:19] <Bytram> reenwood-village-swat-standoff-aurora-suspect-going-16">Denver Post</a> </li></ul>
[11:35:21] <systemd> ^ 03Greenwood Village Police: Suspect in long standoff tried to kill officers | FOX31 Denver
[11:35:21] <systemd> ^ 03SWAT team blows Leo Lech's house apart looking for a gunman leaving $250k damage | Daily Mail Online
[11:35:21] <systemd> ^ 03Greenwood Village standoff ends after more than 18 hours - The Denver Post
[11:35:25] <Bytram> janrinok: ^^^
[11:35:30] <Bytram> lol
[11:35:49] <janrinok> thx
[11:36:39] <Bytram> np
[11:36:55] <janrinok> reload it and check the bottom links please
[11:37:04] <Bytram> k
[11:37:04] <Bytram> brb
[11:37:10] <janrinok> but do not preview!
[11:37:37] * Bytram opens the file in another tab
[11:38:09] <Bytram> janrinok: looks good!
[11:38:13] <Bytram> yay team!
[11:38:14] <janrinok> actually, if you like it, just try a preview and see what affect it has on your browser
[11:38:35] * Bytram had just closed all those tabs
[11:39:00] <Bytram> janrinok: does it make a difference if it's an OL instead of UL?
[11:39:37] <janrinok> I don't know, but you end with both ul and ol tags if you preview!
[11:39:50] <Bytram> ouch!!
[11:40:02] <janrinok> I take it you see the same?
[11:40:42] <Bytram> reminds me of the bug we had a while back... ISTR it had to do with either UTF-8 chars, or links to other pages on the site; was fine when read from the DB but a preview messed it up.
[11:40:55] * Bytram had closed those tabs... goes to open 'em again
[11:41:00] <janrinok> well, we might have it again :)
[11:41:40] * Bytram views the story (i.e. NOT in edit mode)
[11:41:55] <Bytram> whoah!! looks busted :/
[11:42:03] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[11:42:03] <janrinok> you can try an edit/preview BUT do not save!
[11:42:03] <systemd> ^ 03Error
[11:42:41] <janrinok> I think its because you tried to re-open a link. Just load it from the story list
[11:42:59] <Bytram> that's what I *did*
[11:43:12] <Bytram> I opened the story list page in a new tab
[11:43:23] <janrinok> ah ok. I can get to the story, but it corrupts again when you enter the editor
[11:43:28] <Bytram> and then right-clicked and opened the story to read it in yet another tab
[11:44:02] <Bytram> so I am NOT trying to edit it atm, but I see, well, this:
[11:44:04] <Bytram> (
[11:44:04] <Bytram> |
[11:44:04] <Bytram> )
[11:44:04] <Bytram> KDVR.com [kdvr.com]
[11:44:04] <Bytram> Daily Mail [dailymail.co.uk]
[11:44:05] <Bytram> Denver Post [denverpost.com]
[11:44:07] <Bytram> (
[11:44:09] <Bytram> |
[11:44:11] <Bytram> )
[11:44:13] <Bytram> hrm
[11:44:19] <Bytram> copy/paste dropped the numbers
[11:45:09] <Bytram> let's try again:
[11:45:20] <janrinok> yep, and if you look at the source code for that, you will see that it is splattered with OL, UL, P and '(' or ')'
[11:45:26] <Bytram> (
[11:45:29] <Bytram> |
[11:45:29] <Bytram> 1. )
[11:45:29] <Bytram> 2. KDVR.com [kdvr.com]
[11:45:29] <Bytram> 3. Daily Mail [dailymail.co.uk]
[11:45:29] <Bytram> 4. Denver Post [denverpost.com]
[11:45:30] <Bytram> 5. (
[11:45:31] <Bytram> |
[11:45:33] <Bytram> )
[11:46:10] <Bytram> yuppers; here's the view source from my browser:
[11:46:10] <Bytram> (</p><ul><li>|<ol><li>)</li> <li> <a href="http://kdvr.com/2015/06/08/greenwood-village-police-standoff-suspect-tried-to-kill-them/" title="kdvr.com">KDVR.com</a> [kdvr.com] </li><li> <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3113816/Angry-homeowner-brands-cops-thugs-SWAT-team-blows-house-apart-looking-gunman-leaving-250-000-worth-damage.html" title="dailymail.co.uk">Daily Mail</a> [dailymail.co
[11:46:11] <systemd> ^✓ 03Greenwood Village Police: Suspect in long standoff tried to kill officers | FOX31 Denver
[11:46:11] <systemd> ^✓ 03SWAT team blows Leo Lech's house apart looking for a gunman leaving $250k damage | Daily Mail Online
[11:46:11] <Bytram> .uk] </li><li> <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28250350/greenwood-village-swat-standoff-aurora-suspect-going-16" title="denverpost.com">Denver Post</a> [denverpost.com] </li><li><p>
[11:46:11] <Bytram> (</p></li></ol></li></ul><p>|</p><p>)</p>
[11:46:33] <Bytram> systemd is not so helpful atm =)
[11:46:35] <janrinok> looks pretty
[11:46:53] <Bytram> you want for me to try and fix it?
[11:47:03] <janrinok> now, the copy in the database is OK
[11:47:21] <janrinok> its only in the editor that it gets corrupted - at least for me here
[11:47:41] <janrinok> ah - somebody pressed save!
[11:47:52] <Bytram> was NOT me!
[11:47:55] <janrinok> yep, it needs fixing _again_
[11:48:02] * Bytram reloads page with Ctrl+F5
[11:48:05] <janrinok> edit and save without preview
[11:48:21] <Bytram> on my way
[11:49:24] <janrinok> I wonder if it is related to the filters that TMB was having problems with?
[11:50:02] <Bytram> updated
[11:50:31] <janrinok> looks good to me in the db
[11:50:54] <Bytram> can you view the DB *directly* ??
[11:51:54] <janrinok> no, but as long as I don't go into edit mode it stays ok
[11:52:00] * Bytram looked at story in browser (read-only) and it looked fine
[11:52:10] * Bytram then hit Ctrl+F5 and that looked fine, too
[11:52:14] <janrinok> as soon as it hits the editor it gets borked
[11:52:35] <Bytram> what? *opening* the story in the editor, even without saving, borks it?
[11:53:19] <Bytram> janrinok: ^^^
[11:53:39] <janrinok> it looks like it
[11:53:59] <Bytram> that's *** B A D *** !!!!
[11:54:18] <janrinok> the view that is displayed is corrupted. Not sure where it is happening or what it affects
[11:54:57] <janrinok> Be interesting to see what the community get to view when it is released!
[13:08:15] <n1> whats goin' on
[13:32:04] <janrinok> just got back in - how are you n1
[13:33:24] <n1> trying to be more positive than yesterday, although i woke up to what appears to be a JCB cutting through the power to an entire site, based on the last seen footage from a camera.
[13:33:41] <n1> how goes things for you?
[13:33:45] <janrinok> n1: If you edit a submission that contains a unordered list (UL) or you insert an unordered list, when you go to preview it scrambles the list, its contents, and inserts random'ish html all around the list
[13:34:26] <n1> interesting
[13:34:32] <janrinok> if you load a story containing the same back into the editor, you can also end up with word spaghetti too
[13:34:53] <janrinok> other than that, everything is great!
[13:34:59] <n1> so are we avoiding UL as a result?
[13:35:42] <janrinok> its been snagged, and paulej72 thinks he knows what is causing it but the cure is not simple - poorly structured inherited code, I think.
[13:36:01] <janrinok> It might be the same for ordered lists (OL) but I haven't tried it :)
[13:36:59] <janrinok> probably best you avoid lists unless you really have to use one. The trick is to edit and then save - WITHOUT preview. Once it is in the db it seems to be ok
[13:37:54] <n1> dont have to use lists very often, and i dont rush for any excuse to use them either
[13:38:23] <janrinok> you can see the results if you page up 3 or 4 pages.
[13:38:58] <janrinok> that was a daft thing of me to say - it depends on how big your current window on IRC is!
[13:42:22] <n1> i see the mess
[13:42:28] <n1> will continue to avoid lists for now
[13:42:48] <janrinok> n1: next bit of news is that the japanese slashdot has broken ties with Dice and seem to be going it alone. They are a long way behind us - still only looking at the original software that we had over 15 months ago. NC is debating offering an olive branch and seeing if there is something there for both of us.
[13:43:23] <n1> interesting, what brought on that decision from /..jp
[13:44:27] <janrinok> well we have a japanese speaker translating the web page that makes the announcement and he hopes to have some results this evening (US time)
[13:45:22] <janrinok> and live over on #soylent, NC is chuffed because Rehash is being described on 'Barrapunto' - another web site similar to our own.
[13:46:10] <n1> nice
[13:46:19] <n1> i like these developments
[13:46:25] <janrinok> we are small, but we are slowly making our mark :)
[13:47:13] <n1> i believe we are doing things the right way, might not be the quickest but it's the best
[13:47:42] <janrinok> quality rather than quatity
[13:47:51] <janrinok> quantity* - but you knew that
[13:50:10] <n1> we're at the point or very close to it, that we have something to offer, rather than the promise of good things to come
[13:50:42] <janrinok> I think that we are there - but the quality of stories has to improve too
[13:52:04] <n1> i think thats quite a subjective thing though, whats improved for one person is the opposite for someone else
[13:55:01] <janrinok> yes, true, but I still would like to see a higher quality of submission (and of my own editing abilities) to help improve our product.
[13:55:30] <n1> some people would be happy for there only to be one or two stories a day, but obviously they'd have to be 'the right stories' and that is based on personal opinion
[13:55:46] <n1> higher quality submissions would be nice
[13:56:30] <janrinok> we had a good discussion yesterday about nexuses - but there is still a long way to go on that and no-one has all the answers yet.
[13:57:09] <n1> nexuses are important, i think it's partly a case of we cant grow until we have them
[13:57:15] <n1> but it feels silly to have them before we grow
[13:57:46] <janrinok> there is still a lot of confusion or misunderstanding on how they will be used and who will do the editing.
[13:58:43] <janrinok> and the code is only partly implemented. We have the nexuses themselves, but not the nexus-aware software to support them fully yet
[13:58:49] <n1> i havn't been keeping up with it, but the idea of nexus specific editors is a good idea
[13:59:12] <n1> but i think it also lowers the barrier to entry for submissions, if you're submitting a nexus specific story that might end up on the main page
[13:59:16] <n1> rather than it be an 'all or nothing' thing
[14:00:14] <n1> i think it was mentioned before, using a 'gaming' nexus as an example, there's a lot of stuff to talk about there most days, but only a small percentage actually warrants going to the 'main page'
[14:00:25] <n1> but that doesnt mean there's not interesting stuff to read and talk about
[14:00:26] <janrinok> Presumably, they will have to do the editor training, but then will have free rein in their own nexus?
[14:01:18] <n1> pretty much, in the same way we do
[14:02:08] <n1> i would feel obligated to share my thoughts if i thought it was heading in the wrong direction
[14:02:20] <n1> we dont want it to become territorial
[14:02:33] <janrinok> yes, there is a lot of policy and management to be considered and decided yet
[14:03:11] <n1> i think it would encourage more participation if people are specifically enabled to focus on one topic/nexus thats the thing they know most about
[14:03:55] <n1> but it's not going to change that we should talk about stories in here, regardless of where they end up
[14:05:32] <janrinok> we could end up with a sizable editorial team - good for parties!
[14:06:31] <n1> heh, indeed
[14:06:50] <n1> we're doing good now, but to really make use of the nexuses, we would need some willing specialists
[14:29:12] <CoolHand> can we have sub-nexus of the gaming nexus for linux gaming? (of course, not sure we could do as good of job as gamingonlinux.com does now, but I have better ties to this community..)
[14:30:09] <janrinok> why a sub nexus - its all gaming and more than welcome?
[14:30:27] <janrinok> ... but I cannot see a reason why not...
[14:30:32] <Bytram> Little fleas have lesser fleas upon their backs to bite 'em. And those lesser fleas have still lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum. -- Ogden Nash (IIRC)
[14:30:58] <janrinok> are you sure it wasn't Ogden Rash with all those fleas?
[14:31:02] * Bytram proposes: turtles.turtles.turtles.turtles.turtles.turtles.soylentnews.org
[14:31:22] <Bytram> wouldn't vote against it
[14:31:27] <janrinok> all the way down...
[14:31:33] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:31:34] <n1> CoolHand, i think all gaming should be gaming
[14:31:42] <n1> tear down the walls dividing gaming communities!
[14:32:01] <Bytram> speaking of going down; had trouble sleeping... to be at 11:30 pm woke at 3:00 am and have been up ever since.
[14:32:05] <janrinok> unless it grows so big as to be unmanageable - but I think we have a way to go before that problem occurs
[14:32:07] * Bytram needs some zzzzzs
[14:32:27] <janrinok> have a dozeeeeeee
[14:32:33] <n1> because then we'd need a section for mobile gaming too!
[14:32:35] <n1> ¬_¬
[14:32:37] <Bytram> win doze for the win?
[14:32:41] <Bytram> ;)
[14:32:52] <janrinok> you'd better sleep Bytram
[14:33:02] <CoolHand> yeah, we were just talking about gaming being such a large topic.. so breaking it down seems a solution for that..
[14:33:06] <Bytram> thanks for the confirmation on the D/L ... was starting to think I was losing my mind.
[14:33:22] <CoolHand> personally all I care about is linux gaming.. :)
[14:33:26] <n1> CoolHand, it's a large topic, but i dont think it's large enough for that
[14:33:31] <n1> if we care about the quality anyway
[14:33:38] <Bytram> I just now realized I could have shelled into boron and tried a D/L from there; then checked the sha1 md5sum there, as well.
[14:33:44] <n1> if we just want to put up every bit of news/discussion/announcement that happens in gaming on any given day, then perhaps
[14:33:56] <janrinok> Bytram: just goes to show how tired you are.
[14:34:04] * Bytram just realized another thing
[14:34:56] <Bytram> if we start rolling out nexuses, it might behoove us to develop a taxonomy rather than just leave it to organic, spur-of-the-moment naming
[14:35:17] <janrinok> good suggestion - then put it in the wiki
[14:35:19] <Bytram> does that make any sense or should I elaborate?
[14:35:29] <n1> thats reasonable
[14:35:34] <CoolHand> taxonomy? isn't that about stuffing dead things?
[14:35:37] <CoolHand> :)
[14:35:39] <janrinok> it will help people find what they want
[14:35:54] <janrinok> CoolHand: what Bytram does in his spare time is entirely up to him
[14:36:35] <Bytram> you hurt my feelings... now I gotta tell my mummy!
[14:36:35] <CoolHand> science or technique of classification... interesting.. learn something new every day
[14:36:37] <paulej72> NCommander wants the comuuninty driven nexuses to be under one main nexus called Community or some such
[14:37:03] <n1> isnt the whole site community driven o_O
[14:37:04] <Bytram> and in spanish or japanese that would be... ??
[14:37:13] <janrinok> lol
[14:37:52] <CoolHand> n1: good point
[14:37:58] <Bytram> hmmm, maybe we could have 'symlinks' for the corresponding 'translation'
[14:38:11] <paulej72> well it would be for the nexuses that a single or few editors would run as they would not have access to the mainpage and our nexues
[14:38:21] <Bytram> ln -s Community Comunicado
[14:38:27] <Bytram> (or however it would be spelled)
[14:38:33] <NCommander> paulej72, I have yet to actually lock down how that works yet
[14:38:41] <janrinok> you spelled community correctly :)
[14:38:42] <NCommander> I'm slightly burned out dealing with the brains of rehash
[14:38:43] * CoolHand wonders if taxidermists were originally taxonomists that wanted to "show off" their work..
[14:38:48] <n1> paulej72, that distinction might be useful for the backend/sysops stuff
[14:38:57] * Bytram tut tuts at the idea!
[14:39:04] <n1> but i think it would risk diluting it, for the community facing side of the side
[14:39:22] <n1> to me it plants the seed that the main page/meta etc are not 'community driven'
[14:39:34] <janrinok> fair point
[14:39:44] <n1> but i am in general agreement about editors tied to specific nexuses
[14:39:44] <paulej72> NCommander: parent and child nexues are easy to setup. its just a matter of getting perms working for eds
[14:40:36] <Bytram> to me, it's simply an admission that not all of the stories that appear on all of the nexuses belong on the main page. Just as each nexus' editor is repsonsible for curating what appears on their nexus, it is our responsibility to curate what appears on the main page.
[14:40:44] <Bytram> it would still be community generated.
[14:40:46] <n1> and as i mentioned earlier, we want to avoid a situation where people get territorial over topics/nexuses
[14:41:02] <n1> Bytram, thats what i mean about it being logical for an administrative point of view
[14:41:07] <Bytram> k
[14:41:35] <n1> but not for the site in general, if we make that distinction overtly i think it's going to do more harm than good
[14:41:47] <paulej72> well we don't want the community dirven nexuses to dump thier stories to the main page by default. it would be aggreagated under the new nexus parent. we could put any story into mainpage easily by editing it and adding the mainpage to the nexus list
[14:41:58] <n1> yes, i agree with that
[14:42:17] <Bytram> exactly
[14:42:22] <n1> i think we all agree with the general idea there
[14:42:48] <n1> but if we talk about it that way, it gives the impression than the whole site isnt community driven, some stories being of more general interest or important than others
[14:42:57] <n1> doesn't change how the editorial process works on any nexus
[14:42:59] <paulej72> The new nexus parent would easily be choosable to show all of the stories from that group or you could just view a single one
[14:43:53] <NCommander> I'd also have to get the translation work going
[14:43:58] <NCommander> I'm just extending an olive branch for now
[14:44:56] <n1> if we intend to keep the quality high, i think we need to be very careful about the impression we set with it, when we launch the nexuses and encourage new editors to specialize
[14:45:12] <Bytram> n1: Aren't some stories more general interest or more important than others?
[14:45:33] <n1> thats what i said
[14:45:48] <n1> "some stories being of more general interest or important than others ... doesn't change how the editorial process works on any nexus"
[14:46:02] <n1> unless we intend the other nexuses to be a free-for-all
[14:46:08] <Bytram> MyWhizBangLinuxDistro just had a new minor release:
[14:46:14] <NCommander> Well
[14:46:17] <NCommander> I'm thinking for a trial run
[14:46:25] <NCommander> We try reviving our own version of freshmeat
[14:46:38] * Bytram fires up the barbie!
[14:46:41] <Bytram> nograb
[14:47:00] <n1> you'll have to explain that to me, NCommander
[14:47:03] <NCommander> Bytram, at least you didn't need to reboot your horse
[14:47:14] <janrinok> lol
[14:47:15] <Bytram> Not me, neigh!
[14:47:24] <NCommander> n1, Freshmeat was a site that did announcements/reviews of various FOSS projects. DICE axed them, but its come up that perhaps we should do our own version of it
[14:47:30] <Bytram> howlong will you kick THAT one around, eh?
[14:47:36] <n1> i am down with that
[14:47:47] <Bytram> hmmm, I'm liking the idea
[14:48:03] <NCommander> Bytram, find volunteers, do a once weekly special or something
[14:48:09] <Bytram> and, of course, the name of the nexus would be: "DEADBEEF"
[14:48:20] <NCommander> Better than soybeef
[14:48:23] <Bytram> "0xDEADBEEF"
[14:49:17] <Bytram> or, to make it a bit more of an inside joke: 3735928559
[14:49:27] <Bytram> which is the decimal equivalent
[14:49:45] <janrinok> not quite as catchy as the hex
[14:51:06] <n1> noodle time :D
[14:53:48] <janrinok> time to go cook a meal and do domestic things :)
[14:54:31] janrinok is now known as janrinok|afk
[14:55:43] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: au revoir! thanks for all the help!!!!!
[15:05:29] <n1> the 5minute meal of indomie spicy beef noodles and mattessons spicy smoked pork sausage
[18:11:43] janrinok|afk is now known as janrinok
[18:24:40] <n1> all good, janrinok?
[18:25:07] <janrinok> yep, think so
[18:25:21] <janrinok> your gastronomic event worth it?
[18:26:39] <n1> it's a quick one that works pretty good, and is cheap
[18:27:02] <n1> noodles are only 36p a pack and the sausage was 50p
[18:27:03] <janrinok> actually, those sausages sound rather nice. Made me feel a bit peckish again.
[18:27:14] <n1> noodles take 3 1/2mins in microwave, sausage takes a minute
[18:27:17] <n1> 30 seconds to stir it up
[18:27:41] <janrinok> there are some evenings when that is all I want to do...
[18:27:48] <n1> mettessons sausages are pretty good
[18:28:22] <janrinok> Unfortunately, S and I have that feeling on different days, so I always end up cooking except for Thursdays, which is pizza!
[18:28:54] <n1> think its pizza day for me now, feeling hungry again
[18:29:19] <n1> and it appears they fixed the power on the site that went down earlier today, as everything came back online a couple hours ago.
[18:29:32] <janrinok> did they cut through the cable?
[18:29:46] <n1> i dont know, but judging by what ive seen on the feed since it's back up
[18:29:47] <n1> yes
[18:30:17] <janrinok> sounds like some kind of job creation scheme!
[18:30:22] <n1> i will check it out tomorrow, but it saved me going down this evening to see wtf
[18:30:35] <n1> i didnt get a call from the client so i assume they knew it happened
[18:31:32] <janrinok> does it create any extra work for you, or make a mess of your schedule?
[18:32:10] <n1> thankfully not, it's 'on the way' for my activities tomorrow
[18:32:32] <janrinok> when is your next festival?
[18:32:51] <n1> next week
[18:32:59] <n1> i'll be on the road this time next week
[18:33:09] <janrinok> anywhere nice?
[18:33:31] <n1> ive not been to this one before, so i dont know
[18:34:09] <n1> but do know some of the people also working on it, so will be nice to see them again
[18:34:30] <janrinok> I suppose the same faces do crop up again from time to time
[18:35:25] <n1> yeah, it gets that way for some of the stuff
[18:35:43] <n1> often at the end it's a 'see you at the next one!'
[18:36:22] <n1> 'i'll see john and x, and steve at y, and they'll both be at z' kind of thing
[18:36:46] <janrinok> not a bad circle of friends though, if you are going to travel around quite a bit
[18:37:26] <n1> yeah, its cool, a lot of good people who are 'into the scene', it's not just a job
[18:38:23] <janrinok> I thought for a moment you were going to break into the 'its not just a job, more a vocation' speech, but you managed to avoid it :)
[18:38:38] <n1> haha
[18:39:11] <n1> my vocation is not having one :)
[18:39:43] <n1> 'its not just a job, more a vocation' is just an excuse to pay people shitty wages. (in my opinion)
[18:40:09] <janrinok> There is a big festival about 8 miles from here every other year. It is this year in August and I have arranged for S's parents to come out so that I can go to the festival and then travel back to the UK for my daughter's wedding.
[18:40:35] <n1> sounds like fun
[18:40:52] <n1> what sort of festival?
[18:41:03] <janrinok> I'm looking forward to it all and I need the break to keep myself sane'ish.
[18:41:43] <janrinok> Traditional Celtic music, folk and nowadays, a lot of international music e.g. from Africa, Far East etc
[18:42:25] <janrinok> not sure how it compares but last year there were over 120,000 visitors
[18:42:30] <n1> nice to get some world music
[18:42:35] <n1> wow, thats impressive
[18:42:36] <janrinok> that's over 3 days though
[18:43:39] <n1> still very impressive
[18:43:57] <janrinok> well, as I say, I have little to compare it with
[18:44:03] <n1> think its time to warm up the oven for pizza
[18:44:31] <janrinok> sounds like a plan - I've only got about 10 minutes left. I'm also baking bread at the same time as doing this.
[18:44:53] <n1> good for you, home made bread is always great.
[18:54:58] <n1> pizza is cookin'
[18:55:11] <janrinok> I've just noticed your Kaspersky labs story!
[18:55:16] <janrinok> bread is bakin'
[18:55:55] <n1> figured it was an important one
[18:56:55] <janrinok> do you want me to push it early - I don't think it is time critical for users?
[18:57:18] <n1> yeah, it's not an urgent one
[18:57:42] <janrinok> I'll drop it on the end of the story queue then. gtg. see you tomorrow?
[18:58:02] <n1> yeah, i should be around
[18:58:10] <n1> take care, all the best to S also :)
[18:58:22] <janrinok> k, have a good one, thanks, I'll pass that on to her :)
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[22:35:32] * n1 sigh
[22:38:51] <takyon> I'm going to ignore the superconductors story
[22:38:56] <takyon> what superconductors story?
[22:39:32] <n1> you've lost me there...
[22:40:16] <n1> the one you submitted that went up earlier today?
[23:12:36] <takyon> yeah. I shouldn't have submitted it.
[23:13:04] <takyon> nobody called for my death though so I'll let it quietly disappear
[23:21:28] <n1> why do you think that?
[23:26:43] <takyon> there's no confirmation of the science on that source and it's regarded as a crank site
[23:27:40] <takyon> I found it through NextBigFuture: http://nextbigfuture.com itself a place accepting of crankish news, but didn't see the comments tearing into it
[23:27:45] <systemd> ^ 03Next Big Future: Joe Eck finds superconducting transition at 141C which is above soldering temperature
[23:28:45] <takyon> with something else crankish like EmDrive there's at least reasons to believe it might be something that works, competing designs, and NASA involvement
[23:30:29] <n1> it might not be the strongest source going, but i did a bit of looking after you noted in the submission about the author
[23:30:40] <n1> and i didnt turn up anything about 'this guy is a fraud'
[23:35:11] <n1> seems like he puts a lot of work into stuff that doesn't get anyone talking one way or the other
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