#editorial | Logs for 2015-06-09

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[00:00:30] <takyon> I wrote everything at the bottom
[00:00:38] <takyon> I'd appreciate a few signoffs, this is a big one
[00:01:03] <n1> i'm going through it slowly
[00:01:08] <takyon> k
[00:01:17] <n1> the original submissions appear to be in the wrong order
[00:01:38] <takyon> not at all
[00:01:53] <takyon> oh you mean not matched with the story contents?
[00:01:56] <n1> yeah
[00:01:59] <takyon> in that case put Three first
[00:02:33] <takyon> also we should add more topics. I'm thinking Code and Techonomics
[00:02:39] <n1> i think thats the most logical way
[00:02:40] <takyon> in addition to OS
[00:03:55] <n1> im going to seperate out the intro about WWDC and then the next sentence into seperate paragraphs as it's closer to normal style that way
[00:04:48] <n1> OS, Code and Techonomics seems reasonable
[00:06:11] <n1> i just saw where that 'always thinking of ef' submission came from
[00:13:33] <n1> takyon, everything seems good. only thing i dont like is the WatchOS bit
[00:14:01] <n1> when it goes onto the FaceTime part, it's not an easy read
[00:14:08] <Bytram> hey diddle diddle!
[00:14:12] <n1> WatchOS 2 for Apple Watch will add new watch faces, a "Time Travel" feature using the digital crown to view information and events from the past or future, FaceTime Audio support so you can call other people with Macs, iPhones, iPads, and Apple Watches, email voice dictation, and an alarm clock mode for when the Watch is laying on its side and charging.
[00:15:08] <Bytram> n1 s/Apple Watch will add/Apple Watch will add:/
[00:15:13] <Bytram> s/,/;/g
[00:15:18] <takyon> uh
[00:15:36] <takyon> "uh" - takyon, 2015
[00:15:58] <Bytram> using a colon to introduce a long list of items helps prepare the reader for a mental onslaught
[00:16:09] <n1> FaceTime Audio support so you can call other people with Macs, iPhones, iPads, and Apple Watches,
[00:16:13] <n1> that bit is the thing i really dont like
[00:16:17] <n1> a list with in a list
[00:16:28] <n1> within
[00:16:29] <Bytram> using semicolons to separate long items in a list makes for clearer breaks, and allows the use of serial commas within those long items
[00:16:34] <takyon> "other people with iDevices"
[00:16:45] <n1> Bytram, that was where i was thinking of going with it
[00:16:51] <n1> so now, it's your fault
[00:16:54] <n1> as you actually suggested it
[00:17:01] <cmn32480|dinner> HA HA
[00:17:05] cmn32480|dinner is now known as cmn32480
[00:17:22] <Bytram> nobody *asked* me, yanno? =)
[00:17:35] <n1> im going to update the story any minute
[00:17:43] <n1> so if you or cmn32480 want to take a look after
[00:17:45] <n1> would be appreciated
[00:17:56] <Bytram> WatchOS 2 for Apple Watch will add: new watch faces; a "Time Travel" feature using the digital crown to view information and events from the past or future; FaceTime Audio support so you can call other people with Macs, iPhones, iPads, and Apple Watches; email voice dictation; and an alarm clock mode for when the Watch is laying on its side and charging.
[00:17:57] <cmn32480> certainly
[00:18:25] <takyon> we can shorten " Macs, iPhones, iPads, and Apple Watches" to "other Apple devices"
[00:18:28] <Bytram> btw, is that quoted from another source?
[00:18:39] <takyon> yeah I just lifted that part
[00:18:42] <Bytram> or is that a reader's submission
[00:18:46] <takyon> umm
[00:18:53] <takyon> everything below Swift I wrote up
[00:18:55] <cmn32480> need a break in the first line.
[00:19:00] <n1> cmn32480, already done
[00:19:05] <Bytram> oh, when it's a direct quote, we can't very well be putting 'words in their mouth'
[00:19:20] <takyon> the three sections are separated by HR
[00:19:34] <n1> Bytram, this whole story is a trap.
[00:19:40] <n1> takyon has done well for tackling it
[00:19:49] <cmn32480> Apple has announced Apple Music, a Spotify clone
[00:19:51] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:19:51] <cmn32480> needs a comma
[00:19:56] <cmn32480> atthe end
[00:20:05] <takyon> I guess so
[00:20:08] <Bytram> not that apple fanbois are known to criticise anything... :P
[00:20:22] <takyon> you can see why I didn't add a comma there right
[00:20:24] <n1> i dont really think it needs a comma at the end
[00:20:37] <Bytram> Apple,has,announced,Apple,Music,,a,Spotify,clone
[00:20:48] <Bytram> =)
[00:20:51] <takyon> Apple has announced Music, a form of creative expression,
[00:20:51] <n1> it could have one, i agree, but does it need one?
[00:21:17] <Bytram> takyon: LOL!
[00:21:26] <cmn32480> after: , a Spotify clone
[00:21:31] <n1> i have updated the story
[00:21:35] <cmn32480> ... and they have patented it
[00:21:44] <n1> so whoever wants to have round3, go ahead
[00:21:56] <takyon> I say, let Bytram have a go, then finish with cmn32480, for the kill
[00:22:08] <n1> and then he can put in all the commas he wants ;)
[00:22:14] <cmn32480> :-p
[00:22:16] <Bytram> circle the wagons, I'm going in!
[00:22:17] <cmn32480> <finger>
[00:22:41] <Bytram> but seriously, ping me when it is saved and I can go in.
[00:22:48] <n1> its ready for you now
[00:22:53] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:22:57] <Bytram> cover me, I'm going in!
[00:23:03] <cmn32480> shit... we forgot tot hold the end of the rope... I guess Bytram is getting lost in the labrynth
[00:23:07] <Bytram> ummm, which story is this, btw?
[00:23:21] <n1> Microsoft...
[00:23:21] <takyon> Apple Announces The Products You Need
[00:23:23] <cmn32480> the one baout Poison Ivy
[00:23:55] <Bytram> this one? " OS X "El Capitan", Swift, Apple Music, and More at WWDC "
[00:24:00] <n1> yup
[00:24:45] <Bytram> ok, on my way
[00:25:25] <Bytram> title: "... and More at" shouldn't that be "... and more at" ??
[00:25:56] <takyon> I capitalize all four-letter words
[00:26:03] <takyon> according to APA guidelines or some shit
[00:26:05] <Bytram> DAMN
[00:26:13] <n1> More has been capitalized before
[00:26:25] <takyon> my latest extension has a button that auto-cases the title
[00:26:32] <Bytram> k, just wondering... have heard different lengths badied about.
[00:26:39] <Bytram> s/badied/bandied/
[00:26:53] <cmn32480> that bot does not live here, sir
[00:27:03] <n1> this isnt good if we didnt even get past the headline without a conference...
[00:27:05] <n1> :P
[00:27:10] <takyon> kek
[00:27:13] <Bytram> upon reflection, ISTM that it was a device to draw the eye to key words in a headline on a newstand (etc) so as to encourage purchase
[00:27:37] <takyon> well let it be known there is no accepted standard
[00:27:44] <n1> is WWDC just for Apple?
[00:27:48] <cmn32480> yes
[00:27:54] <takyon> what a dumb name
[00:28:17] <Bytram> what was the date of the EEDC?
[00:28:24] <takyon> u wot
[00:28:29] <cmn32480> just a bunch of guys pooping their pants over the latest thing that Apple pulled from the dead corpse of Steve Jobs
[00:28:34] <Bytram> by the time this goes live, it might not be 'yesterday' for some/many folks
[00:28:38] <takyon> uh
[00:28:46] <takyon> I used yesterday where appropriate I think
[00:28:53] <takyon> and maybe modified the submissions to make it work
[00:28:58] <cmn32480> perhaps a date insteead?
[00:29:03] <takyon> since it's running at 13:00
[00:29:09] <n1> just remove yesterday entirely
[00:29:16] <takyon> I mean it's running at 13:00 on 6/9, it works trust me
[00:29:16] <n1> WWDC 2015
[00:29:20] <Bytram> still wondering ... WHEN was it held?
[00:29:26] <takyon> today
[00:29:28] <n1> and doesnt need a yesterday/date to be specific
[00:29:32] <cmn32480> yesterday
[00:29:40] <takyon> 6/8/2015
[00:29:40] <cmn32480> and tomorrow
[00:29:41] <Bytram> takyon: that's UTC; not all of our community are in that time zone
[00:29:54] <takyon> no u
[00:29:58] <n1> UTC FOR ALL!
[00:30:00] <takyon> it was hours ago
[00:30:07] <takyon> 6/8/2015 for most
[00:30:18] <takyon> not Vanautu maybe
[00:30:22] <n1> avoid the whole thing, just say it happened at WWDC 2015
[00:30:50] <Bytram> Apple announced several products and updates Monday at its World Wide Developer Conference (WWDC).
[00:31:07] <takyon> yeah ok
[00:31:27] <takyon> certainly it took place in... California... on a Monday
[00:32:22] <n1> California's Monday maybe...
[00:32:50] <Bytram> "Monday, Monday... can't trust that day"
[00:33:03] <n1> it's a good thing time doesn't really exist.
[00:33:08] <takyon> you can trust Apple
[00:33:16] <n1> apple invented time i guess, with the apple watch
[00:33:20] <takyon> Apple Watch says time exists
[00:33:20] <n1> so i'm wrong about that
[00:33:23] <n1> indeed
[00:33:28] <n1> apologies for my ignorance
[00:33:40] * Bytram hits preview and then notices the extended copy... :/
[00:33:47] * takyon points mouth at Apple Watch
[00:33:52] <takyon> "Siri, what is time?"
[00:35:13] <takyon> one thing I didn't even mention at all
[00:35:15] <takyon> "HomeKit"
[00:35:38] <takyon> I doubt even Apple users care about connecting their nest to their Watch or whatever
[00:35:55] <n1> they might not care but apple and google do!
[00:36:01] <cmn32480> Apple is selling it, and overpriced, no doubt.
[00:36:08] <cmn32480> fanbois will buy it
[00:36:40] <cmn32480> if apple puts poop in a baggie and calls it the iCrap, they will buy it
[00:36:54] <takyon> well it's got a smooth finish
[00:37:14] <cmn32480> can't polish a turd.... even on Mythbusters
[00:37:28] <n1> fuck mythbusters
[00:37:44] <takyon> i'm sure an ion beam could polish a turd
[00:38:41] <takyon> Bytram got lost
[00:38:59] <Bytram> there's a *lot* of stuff there...
[00:39:08] <Bytram> and I was trying to follow the original submission links...
[00:39:18] <Bytram> where did all the stuff in the last section come from?
[00:39:24] <cmn32480> we shoudla held the rope....
[00:39:30] <Bytram> I don't see it in any of the subs and there's no attribution
[00:40:01] <takyon> it's all me
[00:40:13] <takyon> 100% pure takyon-fed
[00:40:19] <Bytram> okay, I'm a bit confused, then.
[00:40:35] <n1> the logic, for me is, that we do this, and it covers the event
[00:40:38] <Bytram> btw, VERY well written!
[00:40:46] <n1> we dont have to drip feed articles about apple for the next 2 or 3 days
[00:40:46] <Bytram> but, there are three sections set off with <hr>
[00:40:59] <Bytram> and... the attributions are:
[00:40:59] <n1> ghost made two submissions
[00:41:00] <takyon> first is the OS X submitter
[00:41:00] <Bytram> Original Submissions: One, Two, and Three.
[00:41:09] <takyon> second is a submission and a correction issued by ghost
[00:41:12] <Bytram> but they don't match up one-to-one
[00:41:15] <takyon> third is me, no submission involved
[00:41:26] <takyon> it could be rephrased
[00:41:38] <takyon> Submission A, Submission B1 and B2
[00:41:40] <takyon> whatever
[00:41:42] <Bytram> thinking
[00:42:06] <n1> dont think too hard
[00:42:15] <Bytram> ahh, I got it.
[00:42:17] <Bytram> hold on
[00:42:36] <n1> well this has saved me from cancer, i've been meaning to smoke for the last hour or so
[00:43:02] <takyon> vape weed
[00:44:50] <n1> if they wernt so expensive id consider it
[00:47:32] <Bytram> okay, my changes are in. Nothing TOO major...
[00:47:42] <Bytram> rewrote intro sentence
[00:47:59] <Bytram> redid another long serial list with semicolons introduced with a colon,
[00:48:08] <Bytram> and clarified attributions for each section
[00:48:25] <Bytram> I think I deleted an extra 'the' someplace, too.
[00:48:30] <Bytram> well done gang!!!!!
[00:49:58] <takyon> phew
[00:50:37] <n1> now we just need cmn32480 to season it will some more punctuation :p
[00:51:28] <Bytram> y.o;u\m]e[a*n'l.i,k(e%t&h#i@s??
[00:51:42] * n1 wonders what the reaction to the sarcastic section will be
[00:51:58] <Bytram> what sarcastic section?
[00:52:03] <cmn32480> bytram++
[00:52:03] <Bender> karma - bytram: 4
[00:52:06] <Bytram> wasn't it *all* sarcastic?
[00:52:08] * Bytram ducks
[00:52:18] <n1> "remarkable laptop and desktop operating system"
[00:52:27] <n1> " superb and truly American El Capitan rock formation"
[00:52:31] <cmn32480> ok. punctuation is on the way.
[00:52:33] <takyon> I'm sure the reaction will be "positive"
[00:52:38] <n1> " fantastic updates"
[00:52:50] <n1> takyon, i'm thinking about the specific AC that submitted it
[00:52:53] <n1> i think it's a trap...
[00:52:57] * Bytram couldn't tell if that was in all seriousness by an incorrigibly breathless fanbois or meant to be derisive; took it as the former
[00:52:59] <takyon> oh, which AC is it
[00:53:03] <n1> our old friend
[00:53:10] <Bytram> OH HO!
[00:53:36] <n1> https://soylentnews.org
[00:53:37] <systemd> ^ 03SN Submission by Always Thinking of Ethanol-fueled: BREAKING NEWS: Apple's OS X 10.11 "El Capitan" Announced!
[00:53:38] <n1> see ipid
[00:53:40] <takyon> oh boy
[00:53:42] <Bytram> the original sub says: "Always Thinking of Ethanol-fueled writes:"
[00:53:55] <n1> see why i think its a trap?
[00:54:03] <n1> either way, he has a reason to complain.
[00:54:04] <Bytram> BUT, the ipid is one of our favorite trolls... https://soylentnews.org
[00:54:05] <systemd> ^ 03- SoylentNews User
[00:54:13] <cmn32480> is it the asshat, or the multiple personality AC?
[00:54:26] <Bytram> but the parent comment was moderated wrong!!!
[00:54:31] <n1> he's an asshat with multiple personalities
[00:54:38] <takyon> the parent comment makes some pretty good points
[00:54:39] <Bytram> the parent comment raises a very good point!
[00:54:44] <takyon> gdi
[00:54:53] <Bytram> lol
[00:55:07] <Bytram> given that info...
[00:55:10] <cmn32480> scroll the comment history...
[00:55:17] <cmn32480> he actually has a nick
[00:55:27] <Bytram> I say we should prolly tone it down a bit
[00:55:34] <Bytram> cmn32480: yuppers
[00:55:42] <n1> he must have just registered
[00:55:48] <Bytram> and actually subscribed, IIRC
[00:55:58] <n1> Bytram, i suggest a strikethrough on the parts that are 'fantastic'
[00:55:59] <takyon> either way, toned down or not, I can't wait for the reaction
[00:56:09] <takyon> yeah don't use strikethrough please
[00:56:12] <cmn32480> leave it. It's hilarious
[00:56:15] <takyon> that will just lead to more flaming
[00:56:18] <Bytram> is anyone working on it atm?
[00:56:19] <n1> aye
[00:56:22] <cmn32480> me
[00:56:43] * Bytram offers some welding goggles - cut away at will
[00:56:56] <n1> i think we're best to leave it as it is, not altering the tone
[00:57:06] <takyon> so what's going to happen, is that the AC that wrote the submission will start bitching about absolutely everything, comparing Swift to Rust, and pointing out any flaw and bitching about that. Probably get mad at El Reg some more too
[00:57:37] <Bytram> maybe we should mod him as funny?
[00:57:47] <n1> i have done before
[00:58:07] <takyon> we'll see
[00:58:17] <n1> it's only guessing right now
[00:58:28] <Bytram> I was temptd to hit a troll mod a day or two ago and opted for a funny instead... with that moderation in place, it completely changed the tenor of the comment
[00:58:29] <takyon> the user is usually more polite on OS/code related stories
[00:58:30] <n1> but this has to be an angle
[00:59:02] <cmn32480> leave it. as is.
[00:59:10] <Bytram> well to quote an old adage: "It's difficult to predict things; especially the future."
[00:59:38] <Bytram> we'll leave the submitted text as it is, and let the community deal with it.
[00:59:49] <Bytram> that would be my vote.
[00:59:55] <n1> yup
[00:59:56] <takyon> what is n1's opinion
[00:59:57] <cmn32480> his thing is hilarious, but we fixed a few thigns, nothign to alter the tenor or tone.
[01:00:12] <takyon> ok then
[01:00:14] <n1> i say leave it
[01:00:20] <cmn32480> if he bitches, we point to the original link.
[01:00:28] <cmn32480> and mod him funny
[01:00:44] <cmn32480> or disagree
[01:00:50] <takyon> I'm pretty sure the anon is aware he is tracked by now
[01:00:50] <cmn32480> or asshat
[01:01:11] <n1> i think so, but we're not pushing it
[01:01:14] <n1> and we shouldn't
[01:01:26] <cmn32480> who cares
[01:01:27] <Bytram> less is more
[01:01:31] <n1> he knows we know, but as we're not making a fuss out of it, no one wins
[01:01:35] <cmn32480> we are having our fun wiht it too
[01:01:44] <cmn32480> just behind the scenes
[01:01:52] <cmn32480> ooooo! cookies!
[01:01:55] <Bytram> break time; back in a few minutes
[01:02:11] <n1> smoke time here
[01:02:22] * Bytram looks around and doesn't see any cookies... drat! Must have just missed 'em!
[01:02:33] <takyon> i'll just eat hummus
[01:02:38] <cmn32480> raspberry chocolate Milano's
[01:02:55] <cmn32480> I'm on the road. It is the only time I can eat some of this stuff beforfe my kids get to it
[01:04:00] <n1> takyon, still not sure hummus is a good meal.
[01:04:32] <cmn32480> hummus is awesome. Especially the roasted red pepper kind
[01:05:09] <n1> i didnt know you could make hummus interesting...
[01:05:21] <n1> i mean i like the stuff, but it is a dip or whatever.
[01:08:24] <takyon> hummus is a good meal
[01:08:43] <takyon> you get pita pockets, cook some chicken in lemony sauce, add lettuce and cherry tomatoes
[01:08:45] <takyon> and rice and hummus
[01:08:50] <takyon> then you have a substantial meal
[01:09:18] <takyon> you just put it all in a pita pocket
[01:09:42] <takyon> also good with tzatziki and sriracha sauces
[01:11:01] <Bytram> tasty!
[01:12:13] <takyon> to cook chicken you just cut it up into small trips, cook in some oil, add a bit of lemon juice, vinegar, cumin, paprika, garlic, etc.
[01:12:39] <Bytram> question: shouldn't the Apple story be in the breaking news category and moved up earlier in the story queue?
[01:12:45] <takyon> scrape everything to the side and hold the wet portion to the middle of the burner to make sauce quickly
[01:13:05] <takyon> I added it at 13:00 because people will be awake then
[01:13:16] <takyon> and i'm not sure it deserves breaking news
[01:13:37] <takyon> plus we don't want to actually add breaking news nexus to anything right now, according to the boss
[01:13:42] <Bytram> k, just wanted to make sure it was a concious decision.
[01:14:00] <takyon> I mind publish dates for important stories
[01:14:03] <Bytram> didn't know about not wanting to use that nexus atm; glad I asked!
[01:14:09] <takyon> like I wouldn't run this apple story at 4:00 AM US time
[01:15:36] <Bytram> well the next story is due out in 15 minutes; which makes it 9:30pm EDT and 6:30pm PDT so pretty prime hours for the USA
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[01:16:34] <Bytram> well, maybe not for those who readthe site at work, I supposed
[01:16:54] <cmn32480> I'd suggest 7am tomorrow
[01:17:02] <cmn32480> 7am EASTERN
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[01:18:09] <Bytram> I'm open to that.
[01:18:25] <n1> apple story is not breaking news.
[01:18:27] * Bytram tries to do the math...
[01:18:48] <cmn32480> agree w/ n1
[01:18:56] <Bytram> agreed
[01:19:11] <n1> i generally work to everything between 13:00-23:59 UTC is 'prime time'
[01:19:49] <n1> but it doesnt actually seem to matter
[01:20:43] * Bytram channels Bohemian Rhapsody
[01:22:41] <cmn32480> Bytram's just a poor boy
[01:22:45] <cmn32480> Nobody loves him
[01:22:47] <takyon> if it runs at 13:00, it will be read at lunch
[01:22:56] <takyon> at least I guess, maybe an analysis is in order
[01:23:20] <Bytram> 13:00 UTC *is* 0700 EDT
[01:23:23] <takyon> we should do some fancy weekly page view and comment graphs
[01:23:58] <cmn32480> ummmm no Bytram
[01:24:12] <takyon> that's 9:00 EDT
[01:24:25] <cmn32480> yes takyon
[01:24:47] <Bytram> oh, right. :/
[01:25:06] <Bytram> we could use a timecalc bot in editorial
[01:25:15] <cmn32480> hehehe
[01:27:59] <Bytram> I'm actually quite serious -- that would be *really* useful!
[01:28:42] <n1> https://youtu.be
[01:28:43] <systemd> ^ 03Bitter Lake - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[01:28:46] <Bytram> I've got a sidepanel set up in my browser that shows analog AND digital clocks for 5 time zones, but I still struggle to do the conversions
[01:29:10] <n1> 29m32s and from there for a couple minutes ago the time.
[01:30:40] <n1> everyone should use UTC and be done with it. everywhere.
[01:31:28] <cmn32480> still think the sun doesn't set on the Empire, huh n1?
[01:31:36] <n1> hahah
[01:31:52] <n1> oh i know it does
[01:31:56] <n1> some people do still dream though
[01:32:02] <Bytram> the empire ... strikes back?
[01:34:03] <n1> the film or the concept i can live without
[01:38:26] <Bytram> twas okay, but a bit of a letdown compared to the first one that came out
[01:39:22] <cmn32480> BYTRAM SAW THEM IN THEATERS
[01:39:33] <cmn32480> stupid caps lock
[01:39:42] <takyon> it was appropriate
[01:39:52] <cmn32480> true
[01:39:57] <n1> heh
[01:40:03] <cmn32480> HE'S OLD!
[01:40:05] <Bytram> yuppers
[01:40:07] <takyon> everyone says the empire strikes back was the best one though
[01:40:22] <Bytram> experienced, now get off my *dirt*!
[01:40:28] <cmn32480> and learned
[01:40:40] <takyon> there's plenty of dirt to go around
[01:40:48] <Bytram> 'tis better to learn than lean
[01:42:06] <n1> thats what they should be teaching the kids in school these days
[01:42:23] <cmn32480> amen to that
[01:42:31] <Bytram> wouldn't be such a bad idea for some adults
[01:42:55] <cmn32480> they ought to be taeching it in college too
[01:43:07] <cmn32480> and get rid of participation ribbons while they are at it
[01:43:36] <Bytram> cmn32480: you win a ribbing!
[01:43:54] <cmn32480> is that like a reacharound?
[01:44:10] <n1> lol
[01:45:08] <n1> but in all seriousness, i never got a ribbon.
[01:45:54] * Bytram got a ribbon once, but could not find a way to make it stay in his hair.
[01:45:58] <Bytram> =)
[01:46:05] <Bytram> afk break
[01:46:10] <Bytram> biab
[01:46:10] * cmn32480 doesn't have any hair :-(
[01:46:57] <n1> it's easy to misplace
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[01:49:41] <cmn32480> I didn't misplace it. It migrated south
[01:53:33] <n1> ready for a long winter?
[01:54:19] <cmn32480> sigh... yeah
[01:54:34] <cmn32480> just call me Chewbacca
[01:59:58] <n1> you can keep your fetish for Bytram
[02:00:12] <Bytram> ewwww! no thanks!
[02:00:20] <n1> it is quite late, so i should sleep
[02:01:28] <Bytram> getting to be that time for me, too.
[02:01:59] <paulej72> what its early
[02:02:25] <cmn32480> what's your tz paulej72?
[02:02:34] <paulej72> EDT
[02:02:47] <cmn32480> same as me.
[02:02:50] <cmn32480> and Bytram
[02:02:57] <cmn32480> n1 is 4 hours ahead
[02:03:14] <cmn32480> I forgot where this was going
[02:03:17] <cmn32480> but it is late
[02:03:22] <Bytram> n1: so it's 0200 for you atm?
[02:03:23] <cmn32480> I been going since 4am local time
[02:03:36] <n1> 03:00
[02:03:41] <n1> it's BST now
[02:03:43] <n1> :D
[02:03:49] <Bytram> n1: huh? oh, right BST
[02:04:01] <Bytram> all the more reason to hit the hay, eh?
[02:04:09] <cmn32480> WTF is BST?
[02:04:18] <Bytram> British Summer Time
[02:04:27] <cmn32480> so wait a sec
[02:04:29] <Bytram> (IIRC)
[02:04:32] <n1> this is why UTC everywhere
[02:04:40] <Bytram> cmn32480: time's up
[02:04:42] <cmn32480> you could be in either of two timezones?
[02:04:49] <cmn32480> UTC or BST?
[02:04:56] <cmn32480> and they are an hour off each other
[02:05:14] <cmn32480> but in the same place
[02:05:17] <n1> BST is daylight savings
[02:05:32] <cmn32480> right... but
[02:05:34] <Bytram> I can refer to the current time in any number of time zones... for me, atm. it is 0205 UTC and 2205 EDT
[02:05:35] <n1> so 'the time in england, scotland and wales etc is 13:00'
[02:05:40] <n1> but GMT is 12:00
[02:05:48] <n1> or whatever it is now
[02:06:06] <cmn32480> OW OW OW OW OW OW OW
[02:06:08] <n1> and daylight savings changes at different times from the US
[02:06:19] <n1> so it doesn't line up there either
[02:06:45] <Bytram> yuppers
[02:06:49] <n1> and when i lived elsewhere, it was EST and DST never happened
[02:07:03] <cmn32480> this was way easier when I thought you were on UTC
[02:07:17] <n1> I am
[02:07:21] <n1> the country i live in, is not
[02:07:35] <Bytram> and even within a single time zone, the dates for when to swith to/from daylight saving time has changed over the years
[02:07:48] <cmn32480> that very small explosion you just heard was what was left of my brain
[02:07:56] <n1> it's 3am anyway, so i should be asleep if the time actually meant anything
[02:08:09] <Bytram> there's a zone file maintained somewhere on the net which documents all of these over the centuries
[02:08:11] <cmn32480> goodnight n1!
[02:08:21] <Bytram> n1: g'night! A pleasure, as always!
[02:08:37] <n1> g'night all
[02:08:43] <n1> :)
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[02:10:54] <Bytram> Tachyon: hiya!
[02:11:01] <Tachyon> hello
[02:11:11] <Bytram> how's things?
[02:11:20] <Tachyon> as you can see... falling :)
[02:11:21] <Tachyon> you?
[02:11:41] <Bytram> practice makes perfect!
[02:12:02] <Bytram> good, thanks. slowing down a bit.
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[02:12:46] <Bytram> so you get here before your alter ego leaves... is that another feature of a faster-than-light particle? =)
[02:18:54] <Bytram> http://feeds.sciencedaily.com
[02:18:55] <systemd> ^ 03Exoplanets: Atmospheric signs of volcanic activity could aid search for life -- ScienceDaily ( http://www.sciencedaily.com )
[02:19:08] <Bytram> .op
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[02:19:13] <Bytram> .deop
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[02:19:17] <Bytram> http://feeds.sciencedaily.com
[02:19:17] <systemd> ^ 03Exoplanets: Atmospheric signs of volcanic activity could aid search for life -- ScienceDaily ( http://www.sciencedaily.com )
[02:19:53] <Tachyon> Bytram: yea, a bit :)
[02:20:30] <Tachyon> i played agar.io
[02:20:44] <Tachyon> and my computer bugchecks when i do that
[02:20:45] <Tachyon> ...
[02:21:13] <Bytram> I find it interesting we have both a Tachyon and a Takyon on our site
[02:21:27] <Tachyon> :)
[02:21:41] <Tachyon> i'm not sure, if my account is tachyon
[02:21:44] <Bytram> I see the both of you joining/leaving and can't help but think of FTL stuff and star trek and deflector shields
[02:21:48] <Bytram> smiles all around
[02:21:52] <Tachyon> :)))
[02:22:01] <Tachyon> well
[02:22:06] <Tachyon> i'm faster than light
[02:22:10] <Tachyon> i have negative energy
[02:22:13] <Tachyon> i have imaginary mas
[02:22:16] <Tachyon> and best of all
[02:22:21] <Tachyon> I DON'T EXIST!
[02:24:09] <takyon> https://www.youtube.com
[02:24:10] <systemd> ^ 03Death Grips - Takyon (Death Yon) - YouTube
[02:31:28] <Bytram> well, you can't get *there* from *here*, i.e. it is posited that nothing can go from sub lightspeed to FTL (mass increases as approach c), but apparently there is nothing to prevent the existence of a particle that has *always* been FTL
[02:42:17] <takyon> MERS death toll is up again
[02:51:50] <Bytram> sad face.
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[03:01:48] <Bytram> laters everyone, time for sleep
[03:53:24] <takyon> scheduled for June 8th test
[03:53:28] <takyon> toolate
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[12:28:29] <n1> :|
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[12:39:06] <n1> right i have to get ready and go to work, so feel free to curse my name in my absence
[12:39:36] <janrinok> can we curse it before you go?
[12:39:44] <n1> sure
[12:39:50] <janrinok> have a good one :)
[12:43:14] <Bytram> n1: hi! and ummm, bye!
[12:43:28] <Bytram> n1: hope you have some fun today!
[13:17:49] <Bytram> ok, afk biab before I hafta leave
[13:58:43] <takyon> changed title on NASA story
[13:58:57] <takyon> might want to run solar sail story next
[14:06:26] <janrinok> hi takyon
[14:16:50] <paulej72> eds: I have pushed out a bucnch of fixes for XSS and one that fixes the slow load on the stories admin page on nexuses
[14:17:54] <paulej72> loads much much faster. You can now use nexuses again. without much issue, but for now you need to put the nexus first then the mainpage then the topic below
[14:18:24] <janrinok> thx paulej72
[14:22:12] <paulej72> I take that back. You should now only need to put the Nexus that you want no need to have the mainpage in as well. The fix i did for the news nexues to be under the mainpage has taken effect
[14:23:06] <janrinok> is that on both dev and prod?
[14:23:43] <paulej72> yep
[14:24:11] <janrinok> I'll have a play with it on dev
[14:25:52] <paulej72> its fun making a 6.5s query go to a .2s query
[14:28:03] <janrinok> paulej72: I have a problem with nexuses - and its probably a problem with my understanding of the system. I cannot seem to change the nexus on a story when in the editor. If I select a nexus it puts it in the Topics fields. What am I doing wrong?
[14:29:14] <paulej72> move it up with the arrows beside the list and then delete the mainpage by higlighting the mainpage and clicking the x
[14:29:43] <janrinok> Is that the only way - it seems counter-intuitive to me
[14:30:08] <paulej72> well we have not fixed that selection system yet
[14:30:35] <janrinok> OK, it works but I'll wait until version 2 :)
[14:31:35] <paulej72> look at https://dev.soylentnews.org
[14:31:36] <systemd> ^ 03- Dev.SN User ( https://dev.soylentnews.org )
[14:31:46] <janrinok> looking
[14:32:42] <paulej72> when done right it looks like this under the selections: This story will be on the The Main Page [x], and linked from Meta [x].
[14:33:24] <janrinok> Yep, I'm happy with that, it was purely the selection of the nexus
[14:34:41] <paulej72> well it does allow for multiple nexus selections I think, but it does it via topics. I have looked at some of that code fixing the queries so I think it is a real mess of a situation.
[14:34:43] <janrinok> its not been an issue because we haven't used nexuses before, but now it just doesn't seem a natural way of selecting it, or more correctly, it places the nexus in the topics section
[14:35:09] <janrinok> not too important - it'll wait. Thx for the explanation
[14:35:22] <paulej72> rehash makes nexues and topic equal on the back end
[14:36:00] <janrinok> ah, I didn't realise that. Is that an intentional move or just the way it is?
[14:36:02] <paulej72> a nexus is a topic and some topics are nexuses
[14:36:48] <paulej72> I think they did not fully think this out, rather it grew over time.
[14:37:02] <janrinok> that's slashcode for you!
[14:42:11] <takyon> "when done right it looks like this under the selections: This story will be on the The Main Page [x], and linked from Meta"
[14:42:27] <takyon> but you just said "I take that back. You should now only need to put the Nexus that you want no need to have the mainpage in as well."
[14:42:53] <janrinok> yes, if you put it under breaking news for example, it will always appear on the Main Page as well
[14:43:26] <janrinok> You don't have to select MainPage as a separate nexus. You have the option in the check boxes to deselect the Main Page should you want to do so
[14:43:37] <janrinok> That's what I 'think' happens :)
[14:43:46] <takyon> the two statements don't match, shh janrinok
[14:44:39] <takyon> I'm still scared of nexus
[14:45:20] <janrinok> well, we haven't got round to doing much with them yet, but I agree. It has been implemented but the ideas haven't been disemminated yet
[14:46:47] <janrinok> I've got to get my brain round it so that I can rewrite the wiki pages appropriately.
[14:47:04] <janrinok> Have you tried looking at the other nexuses, rather than the front page?
[14:51:22] <takyon> you mean
[14:51:40] <takyon> this? http://puu.sh
[14:52:27] <janrinok> Yes, it filters stories from that catergory/nexus only
[14:53:13] <takyon> yes
[14:53:31] <takyon> it's not a feature I would use unless there are nexii that don't autodump to the mainpage like breaking and meta do
[14:53:46] <janrinok> so, if someone wants to have a 'Gaming' nexus, that contains only stories relating to that topic, we can place them in that nexus. They may, optionally, also be shown on the Main Page, but those interested only in gaming will only see the appropriate stories
[14:53:58] <takyon> it also produces some problems, like I noted in the other channel
[14:54:09] <takyon> at least the 6.5 second delay is gone
[14:54:51] <janrinok> true, but NC's idea is that we can allow individuals to become responsible for their own nexus, although I'm not sure how the editing standards will be enforced in such a case
[14:55:28] <janrinok> There is no limit to the number of eventual nexuses that we can have - in theory anyway
[14:56:09] <janrinok> there is still too much that is theoretical and hasn't been thought through to a logical conclusion yet
[14:57:28] <janrinok> takyon: there is a fix request in for the problem that you note on the other chan, but I have had the same problems that you have found.
[14:58:58] <takyon> I am starting my list of nexii we need
[14:59:10] <takyon> we need .JP and some other language specific ones
[14:59:37] <takyon> GAMING is very broad. it would take a lot of work to churn out reviews and games announcements on it, as there are many
[14:59:58] <takyon> it's like doubling the site's content with 1 nexus
[15:02:09] <janrinok> The idea behind it (i think!) is that someone who is keen on Gaming will be given editorial authority for that nexus, assuming that there is enough support for it - but he is limited to that nexus. What has not been discussed is what training that person will have to do his/her job.
[15:03:16] <janrinok> So, if he is working in the Gaming nexus, he _will_ have his own story list, his own submission list, etc so the link that you noted elsewhere is appropriate to him. But, currently, we work on all stories and we do not want it to default to a single nexus
[15:04:32] <janrinok> If you have done some work in a nexus, it defaults to that nexus only. We need to be able to get back to the 'all stories' case without having to go around the houses to get there.
[15:04:42] <janrinok> That fix is already requested
[15:05:13] <janrinok> does that help explain what you saw?
[15:05:50] <takyon> uh yeah?
[15:06:01] <takyon> I'm doing 3 things at once
[15:06:06] <janrinok> I noticed
[15:38:00] * n1 is around again
[15:42:05] <janrinok> hi n1 round again
[15:43:03] <n1> a short but productive couple of hours solving problems on an install
[15:44:48] <janrinok> it is always good when you have resolution of a problem
[15:47:01] <n1> it's a bit annoying, i tried two solutions to the problem at the same time
[15:47:11] <n1> so i dont know which one actually fixed it, or if it needed both fixes
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[15:53:54] <n1> how goes yourself today, janrinok?
[17:17:39] <n1> anyone here?
[18:00:22] <janrinok> yes me!
[18:00:44] <janrinok> n1: ^
[18:18:32] <n1> thoughts on the 3 submissions from gewg, michaeldavidcrawford and yog-yogguth
[18:26:37] <janrinok> gewgs sub - if it can be verified - does ask some serious questions
[18:27:22] <janrinok> I am quite happy with Yog's submission.
[18:27:40] <janrinok> I haven't yet read MDC's offering - give me a minute or two
[18:30:08] <janrinok> MDC's submission leaves me with a 'meh'. Personally, I would rewrite it. Gewgs I would leave for a while and see if any more corroboration turns up. Yog's story is good IMHO - not the most exciting but factual and of interest to some (including SN! :) )
[18:38:41] <n1> the story gewg wrote is real
[18:38:46] <n1> he just used a shitty source
[18:39:03] <n1> there same story has been run by a local ABC outlet, i found in checking it out
[18:39:21] <janrinok> true - but if that had happened in the UK, would we just ignore it? It seems like another example of massive over-reaction.
[18:39:34] <n1> Yogs story seeemed good to me, i was just having trouble reading it, and i didnt want to make any changes incase i was just missing the point
[18:39:54] <janrinok> yep, he doesn't write the easiest of technical prose ;)
[18:40:27] <n1> http://www.thedenverchannel.com
[18:40:28] <systemd> ^ 03Owner of Greenwood Village house blown apart by SWAT says: 'This is an abomination. This is an atrocity' - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com
[18:40:55] <n1> is the gewg story avoiding alternet, who with fair reason just pisses off some people
[18:41:48] <n1> one of the most popular alternet stories of today: "Vince Vaughn Isn't the Only Hopelessly Misinformed Star: 10 Unexpectedly Pro-Gun Celebs"
[18:42:28] <n1> which is why it's credibility is non-existant to a large section of society
[18:43:50] <janrinok> how about we quote the ABC story?
[18:44:11] <n1> and fear the wrath of gewg?
[18:44:40] <n1> although seeing now the alternet story is actually from rawstory.com
[18:44:53] <janrinok> gewg_ will be quite happy either way - he just wants to have it brought to everyone's attention.
[18:45:44] <paulej72> its about a paramilitary organization. what more could you want :P
[18:46:56] <n1> "The White House press room was evacuated and a Secret Service sniffer dog deployed Tuesday as reporters were gathered for a scheduled briefing. Journalists, including an AFP reporter, were escorted out as a security sweep was performed."
[18:51:06] <janrinok> I'm working on this rss story scraper but it is taking a lot of analysis to find the best way to extract stories.
[18:53:35] <n1> trying to pull a summary from the stories?
[18:53:44] <janrinok> yes, that's the idea.
[18:54:54] <n1> that kid who in theory made the 'summly' app managed to figure out how to scrape stories and make it into a summary
[18:54:58] <n1> if it ever really worked, i have no idea
[18:55:14] <n1> but it made him $30m
[18:55:50] <janrinok> Well, I can get the story, but there is still too much dross included. I'm trying to be smart (yeah, I know...) and find a way to separating the two.
[18:55:57] <janrinok> got to go in a few mins
[18:56:07] <n1> sorry i cant help you there
[18:57:09] <janrinok> some sources are easy, but others appear to have been written to sell things rather than impart news!
[18:58:03] <n1> i am shocked, shocked i say!
[19:01:44] <janrinok> hehehe - gtg
[19:02:46] <n1> take care
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[20:09:13] * n1 hopes no one saw that
[20:09:38] <takyon> I have a guess what happened
[20:10:08] <n1> well, you're probably right, as i did a couple things wrong :D
[20:10:09] <takyon> I think I could put a warning in my extension that checks the date before you save, makes sure you don't save it in the past
[20:10:27] <n1> that was indeed one of them
[22:33:25] * n1 should have just said 'company director for a couple of small businesses'
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[23:19:06] <cmn32480> n1
[23:19:17] <cmn32480> the "let's Encrypt" project article
[23:19:30] <cmn32480> shoudl the title have "Let's Encrypt" in quotes?
[23:20:06] <takyon> I'd usually do that
[23:21:06] <n1> i think it makes sense for this one
[23:21:14] <cmn32480> Ok. I'll make the change
[23:21:18] <cmn32480> thanks gents
[23:29:15] <cmn32480> the 75 million year old fossil article links to trove.com... another aggregator.
[23:29:28] <cmn32480> I'm changing the link to the original article at Washington Post
[23:29:30] <cmn32480> n1^^
[23:30:13] <n1> yeah thats cool
[23:32:28] <n1> really should have noticed that when i did the story first :/
[23:33:18] <n1> similar problem janrinok and i discussed regarding the gewg submission
[23:33:30] <cmn32480> which one was that one?
[23:33:39] <n1> the one still in the subs queue
[23:34:02] <cmn32480> ahhh... havent't gotten that far
[23:34:20] <n1> alternet is a bias source, but the original source is linked in the alternet story, which isn't really any different
[23:34:46] <n1> but doesn't come from a source that people will object to before reading the story
[23:39:09] <cmn32480> I'll take a peek. Any of gewg_'s stories have extremely biased sources.
[23:39:27] <n1> most of them do, and it's very annoying
[23:39:33] <n1> there's usually no need for it
[23:39:37] <n1> this story being an example
[23:39:47] <takyon> just switch it out
[23:39:54] <takyon> what is gewg going to do, register an account
[23:40:25] <cmn32480> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[23:40:29] <cmn32480> hilarious takyon
[23:40:34] takyon is now known as takyonAFK
[23:40:39] <takyonAFK> I'm no longer takyon
[23:41:10] <cmn32480> I believe that the senior staff actually has his account created. he jsut wants nothign to do with it.
[23:41:22] <cmn32480> enjoy your hummus